Excellent , so true. And disfellowshipping is also a form of “ bullying “ that’s what they even say in one of their own video. Of course they call bullying “socially excluding “.
It’s 100% bullying! Well put! They can slap whatever label they want on it but at the end of the day it’s a policy made to hurt people not help people.
Well said!!!! How we as JWs had to treat disfellowshipped people always bothered me so much, I just knew it’s not and can’t be a “loving“ arrangement. I’m so glad I am out of this wicked organization.
Nothing about this arrangement is loving and the fact that an organization that claims to be “loving” adopts such a harsh policy should make everyone question things
Before COVID I was in a car group and a sister mentioned she has no contact to her disfellowshipped kids for 12 years! I could not hold back and told her that this is cruel. All hell broke loose…..
Great video! Definitely worth the wait. I'm so glad my family isn't in this cult. I kid you not my stress and anxiety level has gone down drastically since I left few months back. I have more free time to myself and do fun things with my little ones.
What an excellent eloquent analysis of the situation from someone who has a deep understanding of the situation. The fact is that disfellowshipping is coercive control and should be illegal at least as far as those who are still minors goes.
@@exjwdiaries I am so glad I never tried to force my children to get baptized! I always told them it was their decision and it was a BIG one to not ever make lightly! Saw way to many young ones change their minds and get df'd for just doing normal things most teens do! I personally, never would have agreed to "shunning" them had they gotten df'd! I actually never shunned those I knew who were coming to the kh or knew that they were trying ... I would say hello, greet them and hug them! 🫂 Close girlfriends I'd even spend time with them if they needed it! Honestly, Noone ever said anything about it to me either! I wouldn't go around announcing it but... though careful to try not offend anyone. At mtgs, I'd mouth the words hi and I love you to ones who were df'd. I just never ever felt the way it was handled was correct.
Disfellowshipping is God ordained as a way of keeping the congregation clean. No matter what, minors are under the authority of the parent until they are of age.
I'm from the UK. My friend with autism was shunned for 4 years and she was only allowed to attend the meetings if she was in the "box" at the back of the room. It looks like a piece of the hall that has glass box where everyone sees the naughty ones... Apparently they judged her mentality as if she was the same person as the same mentality she was baptised. I personally don't believe she had the mental capacity to make choices like being on a membership of an organisation. Especially when she has to have someone help her with her own finances. And all she did was question why one watchtower said one thing and the bible study guide said another. She gave up after 4 years before committing suicide. It was a shame because they knew her intelligence and they all asked her for advice when they had their "worldly issues". I haven't given enough details to identify my friend, but I'm happy for you to use it for a future video so people can see how they deal with people with mental health difficulties
@Nimbus, I am so so sorry for the loss of your friend 😢 💔 I too, have a dear friend who, although is still alive and well enough.. has gone through several times having gone through disfellowshipping after having gone through serious mental health crisis (diagnosed and treated with drugs) each time! Recently, last year, while going the the pandemic, pretty much alone, like many of us who didn't have jw family or mates living with us anyway... went through an extremely difficult time fighting her mental illness. Apparently, when she came out of it, she went to confess some sin.. although not df'd, this time, she was still reproved! This, was close enough to the last straw for me! I just can't understand it anymore! "Actions speak louder then words".
Oh, gosh, no... 😢😢💔 I'm SO sorry for your loss. No one deserves to lose a loved one like that, ESPECIALLY NOT to suicide. My heart goes out to you, pal... This REALLY goes to show that disfellowshipping and shunning is NOT a "loving" discipline. It's punishment. It's a form of emotional abuse. It has led to thousands of suicides. Also, shunning someone for not living up to the standards of being a Jehovah's Witness or speaking openly against the organization is FAR from loving. 😞😓💔
This is amazing. You made this so clear. It also proves how EVIL the wt really is. My church doesn't do this to anyone. Those who want or needs to leave, we have a potluck dinner for them, give them good wishes, and we keep in contact with them. Hating them would be against God. Thank you for your video my friend. 🍃✝️🍃🍂🍁
@@exjwdiaries We have a big dinner when someone gets baptized at our church. We celebrate life. And we celebrate the love we have for others. It is a GIANT contradiction to the wt.
@Karen Moody That's what cult leaders do, sadly. It's all about the money and control first and foremost. That's why they call it a "theocratic society". They have their religion set up like the Catholic church (except the wt has a decopope), and they don't teach what the Scriptures actually says. And tons of man-made rules. They use Steven Hassan's B.I.T.E. model to keep their indoctrinated under their control. B-ehavioral control I-nformation control T-hought control E-motion control It's sickening. It has nothing to do with the Bible at all. It's the blind and greedy leading the blind.😪 God bless Karen. Have a wonderful day my friend. 🍃✝️🍃⚘️
Nicely done, sir. As an ex-elder myself; I was surprised during the Covid lockdown era by a teleconference with elders who unexpectedly just blurted out; "you're no longer one of Jehovah's witnesses." After coming to senses within the 6 mons. or so realizing that they had NO SCRIPTURAL REASON FOR EXPELLING ME; I have experienced all of the emotions and mistreatment and judging that goes on by these abusive men. In a 19 page letter of counsel to the Watchtower branch office and these elders; I included the 11/15/ 1980 Watchtower article, page 7, stating in part, "isolation is really unchristian"......THEIR WORDS!
Love you bro 🙌💯💯 I was DF’d 2 times in 32 years and in the verge being kicked out again for speaking up against CSA….. bro we were both overlooked in this such Borg …. My friends child was abused csa…. And he defends the Pedos and defend the GB I spoke up against his son abuse …. And he got mad at me !!! Today He said even if the GB is not logical we must follow and be disobedient!! I speak up !!! Now I’m the Kingdom Hall gossip ….. which means I’ll probably head some F Borg elders knocking at my door 🚪 soon WF nightmare … you protect kids by speaking out!!! They still shoot you down !!! And dispose of you Not as Jesus would de !! Mathew 5;43 To love even your enemies Thanks man !!! I loved this video Keep it up bro What F nightmare
Jesus always spoke up for kids. So sorry that you have to take heat for doing what is RIGHT. Never be ashamed of who you are, I am sure that victim appreciates your support. ❤️
Time for some interviews! If you have been through the disfellowshipping and reinstatement process and if you feel comfortable enough to share your story, please send me a message using the email at the end of the video. I would love to follow up this video with some real world stories.
What about those who have also suffered due to either friend's, family getting DF'd? Or, even our exes getting disfellowshipped or just getting them caught due to the "2 person rule"? This, is supposedly set up to be "loving" and a "protection for the flock".. is it REALLY??? 🤷♀️🤕😮💨🙄
So on point and very well done. Thanks Justin, I have been passing your videos on to others who are contemplating gettin baptized into this corporation business masquerading as the “one true religion.”
Disfellowshiping is evil! Jw father will say, Son, I’d really love to talk with you. But, if I do I won’t be allowed to carry the microphones during meetings, or work behind the literature counter.😝
I know someone who has been trying to get reinstated for 3 years! Has written 3 letters. Currently waiting for the elders to "get back with him." SO cruel 😢
Yep, me too. I've now sent a 4th letter to the U.S. branch service department; that was 3 months ago. Still haven't heard back from anyone. And take note, I included nearly 20 pages of scripture based counsel on 1. Why the DF'ng was wrong and not based in scripture,.. and 2. why witholding reinstatement from someone is even worse, and ignores EVERYTHING Jesus taught about love, mercy, compassion and treatment of those in the "world", or treatment of sinners! Including their own Watchtower articles counseling elders! Unbelievable. "Loving arrangement"; my **s!
BRAVO!!! 👏 👏 👏 What you said, 16 min in... was spot on!!! 👌 EXACTLY 💯 ... it makes, absolute, perfect sense... to take a "repentant" person and ACTUALLY "help them" through... What good does "shunning" do to "repentant" individuals? I also question... who decides "how" repentant a person is anyway??? A mere man does! Ummm... okay? Haven't we ALL seen at least 1 elder whose seriously sinned as well? They're not God! They may have been "appointed" by men..who have prayed to God, but... still mere men, none the less!!! I've seen some awesome elders and I've also seen some not so awesome.. 🤷♀️. I'm sure... we ALL have! 🙄 I have also been an auxiliary pioneer in my time... and was judged for having not "done enough" while dealing with a chronic debilitating illness! Was told, by a best friend, who pioneered along side of me... that it was "Satan attacking" me and I needed to "fight it and get to all the meetings and regular service, where I'd be protected " 🙄😮💨 I have a LOT of these stories.. sadly! 😥 I honestly, do not blame that friend, whom later on, came to my hospital room and apologized bc she herself began experiencing chronic pain and so forth! In the meantime... this issue, had gone on to become a gossip and slander towards me somehow becoming an apostate?!! Because, I...had also mentioned that if Jeh being loving, also loved those who were in nursing homes or had visible disabilities and couldn't go to meetings or service like others could... why wouldn't he love and forgive someone like myself..going through much the same? Why was I in the wrong or being shunned for being sick and unable to go to mtgs and service regularly bc my illness wasn't so visible??? 🤷♀️. Just being DF'd isn't the ONLY reasons one could get "shunned". You could be considered "weak" or "bad association" even if... 🙄 So, though I still had to endure this...from several in the congregation...for a time anyway. There was 2 specific individuals (one was an anointed older sister and the other an elder, who'd gone to bethel) who came to me and actually comforted and made me feel better! Thus why I probably didn't just turn right away and quit then! The widow's mite was brought up to me as well as some good old fashioned common sense! Exactly what I'd told to my friend... I'm worthy of God's love too! I still...DO NOT believe in "shunning" anyone who is truly sorry for a serious wrongdoing that is clearly in the Bible! Not these stupid little things that make no sense! Shunning...also scares most of us and that's the tactic that feels backwards to me! Didn't Jesus himself, die for our sins??? Ok! 🤷♀️😮💨
Exactly what happened to me….they called me an adulterer because I remarried after my divorce but because no one knew about it, I wasn’t punished….that’s when I realized it was utter nonsense.
I was born into that organization and I never agreed with that whole disfellowship policy. It took a while but I am so glad I woke up and got my power back.
Well said . The society knows that the lower the education the more fear works on those who are commanded not to question or doubt anything the WT demands . To the society , love has been turned into a weapon , and I might add.... a very good one .
One elders son defrauded a sister (my moms friend) by doing unlicensed contracting work. He didn’t offer to fix the problem unless she could come up with more money and told her that anyone else would charge her an arm and a leg. When she said she was going to take him to court the elders kept trying to pressure her not to take him to court. That was a case of stealing and the only thing they did to the elders son was just reprove him.
@@exjwdiaries that’s why I’m not surprised sadly when these allegations of CSA appear in the media. They will jump through hoops of file to avoid any legal exposure
Thanks. You are right. My daughter disobeys the 5th commandment with a promise to live long she does not honor me as a mother by shunning. None of the members know the sin i committed, even though scriptures say to expose before all onlookers persons who practice sin, in order for the jws to be safe from peodophiles, perverts, abusers, drunks, narcisstics, they must expose the crimes of the sinner, to the congregation, instead you must keep the peodophiles crime confidential so the sheep are in danger from wolves. I never sinned, i jusr grew a brain and do not accept men as my judges. Im going to her meeting soon, with a worldly friend with a bad temper, i will disrupt the meeting by speaking loudly about their rules, if the elders try to intimidate me by crowdinh round to shut me up, my friend may fly kick them, who knows , truth must be told, they are evil hypocrites
Everything you bring out is correct, but oddly enough, my disfellowshipping was one of the best things that ever happened to me (though it's been thirty years)
For some people getting disfellowshipped is definitely the wake up call that gives them freedom. Unfortunately other people end up getting stuck in POMI land. Glad you were able to get free!
@@exjwdiaries The funny thing with me is, I'm now learning all the acronyms and horror stories because now my sisters are leaving that train wreck and I'm helping them to break loose. I am really fortunate in having walked away relatively unscathed.
Absolutely thee best obersvation,Hands down you nailed it,Blown away by your insight,Truly loving in the manner you presented this critical thought,Much love brother!!
Excellent, Justin. Disfellowshipping is doesn't work. Many times the same people are disfellowshiped multiple times. There is no help for these people at their weakest point. Seems so counterintuitive.
In my case it only made me bitter and to this day I still feel the same towards this disgusting , delusional , deranged,vile cult .Does nothing but cause division in families, friends and communities.And they do nothing to help communities as at least other churches help their homeless etc They barely help their own
Is the wooden staff being used to sheperd or was that in Jesus time ? Is the iron rod being used now ? The lack of assistance for those at their weakest point doesn't sound like it's something that ll go down well in todays world.
Your video of disfellowshipping/shunning is right on target when it comes to the harm that it does to JWs. In fact, this practice is something that got the Watchtower Society defunded, or stripped of money from the government of Norway, which considers shunning as a form of human rights violation. Thank you for shedding light on the unjust practice of disfellowshipping.
Your example of a rape victim being disfellowshipped was right on the money. This occurred in the late 1960's or very early 1970's. Victim: Black (I believe this very relevant to the action taken by the body of elders) female teenager. Presiding Overseer (the man in charge of the elders and, by extension, the congregation): Old, racist white man. Scene of the rape: High school football stadium, under the bleachers, while the game was being played. (Please note: The congregation's Theocratic Ministry School and Service Meeting were intentionally scheduled on Friday evenings to keep the congregation's teenagers from attending said football games.) I do not know if the victim went to the elders voluntarily or they called her in, but, however they found out, they found out. She was brought in for a judicial committee meeting. Result: She was disfellowshipped!!! Reason: She should not have been at that game in the first place! She brought it on herself! Which meant she had sex outside of marriage!!! Just to be clear the PO was without question a racist pig! It had been less than a year since he was forced to allow the black brothers and sisters to attend meetings at our Hall. He was known to use the "n-word" and he eventually moved to a congregation in another state that was still segregated so he didn't have to associate with "those people"! In all honesty I do think the victim would have been disfellowshipped regardless of her race, but I still contend it played a definite role. Yes, "Christian love" at its finest!!! What a crock!!!
How appalling! That poor girl. I hope she found some actual justice and help through the authorities. The more I learn about this cult the more horrified I am. Just wish I'd woken up sooner.
Wow that’s crazy! Not the first time I’ve heard of something like this either! Hopefully that girl was able to get some justice. Those elders should be ashamed of themselves.
@@exjwdiaries and @Crazy Girl, Unfortunately, I have no idea what happened to her. I was still a child at the time, but even as children, my sister and I realized how wrong it was. She was the only member of her family that was attending the meetings at the time and we never saw her again. Like you, we both hope she is doing well in spite of her double trauma.
Outta Darkness, that's horrible!! 😞 I too, had a good friend, whom although a white gal, was raped by an employer! She and her inactivite husband at the time..(whom according to her was doing drugs and abusing her) had 4 young ones at home and she...was the only one actually providing income for them! Anyhow, she contacted me and told me and though I encouraged her to go to the police 1st, she felt she should let the elders know also.. she asked me to go with her and she held my hand while she cried and asked for their help. One elder cried and felt badly for her while the other basically interrogated her! I questioned him and he said, this was typical of what they're supposed to ask.. We were 2 young women with young children and somewhat naive to this. She had to attend another mtg and apparently they'd discouraged her to go to the police bc she might get questioned and bc she was alone with the man... she didn't scream (put of fear and shock duh..) 😐 she was df'd. 🤯 Her husband was treated like he was the victim and asked how they could help "him"!?!? 😮 Her husband, went on to commit serious crimes, along with still abusing her and her relief came after he committed a crime, ran from the cops and was incarcerated! 🎉 While in prison he told her he'd had consensual s.. relations with another male inmate and when she told him that was cheating! He laughed at her and told her she was stupid bc it's only cheating if it's with the opposite sex?!! 🙄 I helped her look up all the information for their next conversation about it. He, then twisted it and told her she'd cheated on him, which was why she was df'd and he could've left her bc the elders said he had the right to..but, he didn't! Yada, Yada, Yada. 🙄 Finally, she realized it was time for her to leave this jerk and get on with her life! She later, after he got out and went to mtgs (only bc she'd left him and he was hoping to gain sympathetic ears once again and get help in trying to force her to go back to him) was she able free herself from it all! She was treated pretty badly in the name of "love for your brother". Looking back, as I have been reliving some of the things I'd "witnessed" or had done to me personally... it's really been hitting me! It's after 2am now but the words just keep flowing here!!! 🤷♀️ I hope, I'm not bothering other's by my constant postings?!! 😮💨 Just want to say thank you, ahead.. for listening and or allowing me to comment. If it's too much, please, let me know..🙏 It's just been triggering my memories it seems. 🤕
@@tc64, First, this should always be a safe place to vent; all ex-JW channels should be. (Unfortunately, some are not, so please be careful.) Second, thank you for sharing your experience! I am sorry you were triggered, but, hopefully, getting it out was cathartic. Third, both your experience and mine help shine a light on the atrocious things this organization has done in the name of God. What a complete and utter crock! Please take care of yourself and best wishes on your journey of healing. ❤️🌻
Got disfelloweshipped for making out with a chick outside the church twice. And I was the one that came forward about it. Could of hid it. They kicked me out anyway. Then an elder's son sent me mocking texts and voicemails after the announcement when he's done much worse. His dad and brother are both elders in the congregation so he has free reign and so do they. It's all about connections and status, not cleanliness or repentance. It'll be about 5 years since, no way I'm going back. God has to talk to me now. Not trusting men ever again..😅
I’m so glad you woke up! What a stupid thing to be disfellowshipped for! Should have been reproved at the most and even that’s a stretch. Seems like you may have been targeted. That’s another thing that definitely goes on in the organization.
Very true. There’s also some people who get DF’d and then just stay POMI. Too afraid to look at anything considered “apostate” and too ashamed to go back to the JWs. Very sad…
I let it go but my Mother keeps it hanging over my head along with my 2 sisters ,but ,I have come y realize that I really don't need their crappy attitudes in my life ,I'm fine with out them and my mother can go to her grave knowing exactly how I feel and why and when she gets to the other side ( even if she doesn't believe that ) she will have to explain to God why she caused so much pain in her family .I forgive her but can she forgive herself is the question?
One young girl who is elders daughter got bregnant and birth a baby but she was not disfellowship. This is very good example what these children of elders can do and others not.
It really gets under our skin..seeing the double standards thw worldly governments employ being mimicked in the Congregation..its really like rev 16:13&14 reveals..they're INSPIRED by them..not by God's standards .
Great video my friend! They completely ignore the ENTIRE chapter 18 of Matthew. Especially verse 17. That more or less goes along with what you said about grabbing 3 or 4 strong brothers to comfort a sinner. Jesus after all said in this book: “unless you become like children you will not enter into the kingdom…” “Woe to the person through whom a stumbling block comes…” “See that you do not look down on these little ones…” “Leave the 99 on the mountain and go after the one astray…” “Speak to the congregation” (not plead him guilty) “For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst…” If Jesus being “the way the truth and the life” - John 14:6 Then he would be in their midst if they allowed the love of Christ to take the wheel. But they don’t, they decide for themselves. Gods spirit isn’t with them. Jesus isn’t with them. The very fact that you have to wait to be re instated should indicate that there is no Holy Spirit present. Because the Hole Spirit is NOT a time keeper!
Hey Justin Would it be possible for you to do a video on what often happens when someone who is married goes ahead and joins JW. Seems to happen a bit and the other spouse is bamboozled when the indoctrination takes hold Might make an interesting video
As a woman with an alcohol problem, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I'm PIMQ and still drink when life stresses me out. No way am I ever going to confess this and go before a judicial committee. It's something science has proven I'm genetically predisposed to and the JW's treatment of me will only make it worse. Regarding the isolation that comes with DF'g . . . how bleeping hypocritical! Constantly, preaching Proverbs 18:1 yet purposely isolating a relapsed alcoholic where they'll likely dive deeper into the depths of despair of their disease, especially since numerous JWs have told me MANY times that AA is dangerous because I'm associating with worldly individuals. I'm sorry but bug off and mind ya own!
I'm in Rhode Island and I was df'd for 3 years for consensual sex outside of marriage with non-witnesses and I came to them and confessed, no one in any congregation had any knowledge of my sins. I attended 98% of the meetings, and that includes 1.5 years of the plandemic on zoom where I was even more isolated. At the 2 year point when I asked the lead elder on my committee if they actually want me to come back, he said if Jesus was currently on earth, he may have executed me. Basically saying be thankful for this brutal punishment we are dishing out. Btw, I'm still searching for the scripture where Jesus executed anyone while he was walking the earth. Now I'm grateful for that treatment because it was the straw that broke the camel's back, giving me the push that I needed to leave after 45 years.
First and utmost, I remember watching your first Video, my main man was & still is Lloyd Evans only because i saw his first video when he did them in his bedroom. I was light years ahead of you guys when Istarted watching Robert King( e- Watchman) in 2001,( watchtower is an NGO in the united Nations) i was a PIMO ( now that it has a definite) back then, Anyway, first you have really gotten great at mastering content editing & creation😊 but where are you going to go from here, you need to or did you start another utube channel about something else while ur doing this channel, architecture, videos, motivational, videos, something because your great at this, ok let us know what the plan is, I have Faith you have something up your sleve😅
They call it the loving arrangement, but let's look at their own words... "We must hate [the disfellowshipped person] in the truest sense, which is to regard with extreme active aversion, to consider [them] as odious, loathsome, filthy, to detest." -- WT Oct 1, 1952, p599. HATE IN THE TRUEST SENSE. How is that the loving arrangement, Mr. Governing Body Member?
Was the Prodigal son shunned by his father? NOPE!!! Only by his jealous siblings! If someone wants to leave and is not repentant...let them go! If they want to remain... obviously, they're repentant and need help to turn around.. that easy! Use common sense and Love.. rather than judgment and bullying tactics 🙄
So in conclusion she has not had to deal with my ex-wife she cheated on me with another man at I get the axe and have not had a relationship with my family for 25 years but she who did this got away with it because her father was an elder and we all know this how is this right
The WT certainly has some inconsistencies about disfellowshipping and I feel really sorry that you had to go through unjust treatment by the elders. I don't want to delve into questions about your former marriage as that is personal and private. Thus goes to show even the "good and upright ones" can do the sneakiest things and true enough it is coming from very strict religious orgs. such as this.
Let me tell you istory I'll make it fast back in 1990 I got married to a presiding overseer elders daughter. Five years later in 1995 she was cheating on me with a man from her job for which she end up divorcing me and marrying him who is not a witness by the way anyway to make a long story short our divorce was final in 1996 I started drinking because I was trying to deal with my pain we also had two daughters by then as you can guess I was brought into a judicial committee I was disfellowshipped and you know I told them the elders give me a little time to get my head straight but they weren't having any of that that was twenty-five years I haven't mailed to speak to anybody my mother my sister's my brother-in-law's and one of my brother-in-law has passed away a few months back as you know I didn't go to the funeral because approximately three years after I was disfellowshipped my father passed
Sorry but my father passed away and at the funeral I was treated like a redheaded stepchild and I'm not kidding I grew up in this congregation I was treated as though I did not exist and I've never set foot back in there. But going back to the problem that caused this and my wife at the time who caused all this problem was never disfellowshipped and still to this day 25 years later
Wow!! These are the kind of stories we need to get out there! It really shows the lack of love and compassion in an organization that claims to have “love amongst themselves”. Thank you so much for sharing. I’m sorry you had to go through all of that.
(1 Corinthians 5:9-13) In my letter I wrote you to stop keeping company with sexually immoral people, 10 not meaning entirely with the sexually immoral people of this world or the greedy people or extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, you would actually have to get out of the world. 11 But now I am writing you to STOP KEEPING COMPANY WITH ANYONE CALL A BROTHER who is sexually immoral or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, NOT EVEN EATING WITH SUCH A MAN. 12 For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside, 13 while God judges those outside? “REMOVE THE WICKED PERSON FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.” What do you all think this is referring to? Do you think it is ok to follow scripture only when it is to your benefit?
You are not telling the complete truth. Does the bible speak about speadisfellowshipping ? Why are you lying? Be very careful. Do you still believe in the bible?
Excellent , so true. And disfellowshipping is also a form of “ bullying “ that’s what they even say in one of their own video. Of course they call bullying “socially excluding “.
It’s 100% bullying! Well put! They can slap whatever label they want on it but at the end of the day it’s a policy made to hurt people not help people.
@@exjwdiaries Giusto concordo pienamente d'accordo con quello che hai detto, da L'ITALIA SALUTI.
Well said!!!! How we as JWs had to treat disfellowshipped people always bothered me so much, I just knew it’s not and can’t be a “loving“ arrangement.
I’m so glad I am out of this wicked organization.
Nothing about this arrangement is loving and the fact that an organization that claims to be “loving” adopts such a harsh policy should make everyone question things
Before COVID I was in a car group and a sister mentioned she has no contact to her disfellowshipped kids for 12 years! I could not hold back and told her that this is cruel. All hell broke loose…..
@@Hlegzudas , you were right: it is cruel!!!
JWs are “followers of men” - the 8 men in New York.
@@Hlegzudas Good for you! WT intimidates people from really expressing themselves. It was very brave of you to speak out.
@@Hlegzudas😂😂😂 I wish I was a fly in the car to see their faces when you told the TRUTH!!!
Great video! Definitely worth the wait. I'm so glad my family isn't in this cult. I kid you not my stress and anxiety level has gone down drastically since I left few months back. I have more free time to myself and do fun things with my little ones.
Thank you! I can definitely relate to having less stress and anxiety since leaving. It’s like a huge weight has been lifted.
What an excellent eloquent analysis of the situation from someone who has a deep understanding of the situation. The fact is that disfellowshipping is coercive control and should be illegal at least as far as those who are still minors goes.
Great point and one I meant to mention! In a real world justice system, minors are treated differently than adults.
@@exjwdiaries I am so glad I never tried to force my children to get baptized! I always told them it was their decision and it was a BIG one to not ever make lightly! Saw way to many young ones change their minds and get df'd for just doing normal things most teens do! I personally, never would have agreed to "shunning" them had they gotten df'd!
I actually never shunned those I knew who were coming to the kh or knew that they were trying ... I would say hello, greet them and hug them! 🫂 Close girlfriends I'd even spend time with them if they needed it! Honestly, Noone ever said anything about it to me either! I wouldn't go around announcing it but... though careful to try not offend anyone. At mtgs, I'd mouth the words hi and I love you to ones who were df'd. I just never ever felt the way it was handled was correct.
Disfellowshipping is God ordained as a way of keeping the congregation clean. No matter what, minors are under the authority of the parent until they are of age.
@ronhansen8471 , children aren’t property! JW disfellowshiping is just emotional abuse with another name.
I'm from the UK. My friend with autism was shunned for 4 years and she was only allowed to attend the meetings if she was in the "box" at the back of the room. It looks like a piece of the hall that has glass box where everyone sees the naughty ones... Apparently they judged her mentality as if she was the same person as the same mentality she was baptised. I personally don't believe she had the mental capacity to make choices like being on a membership of an organisation. Especially when she has to have someone help her with her own finances. And all she did was question why one watchtower said one thing and the bible study guide said another. She gave up after 4 years before committing suicide. It was a shame because they knew her intelligence and they all asked her for advice when they had their "worldly issues". I haven't given enough details to identify my friend, but I'm happy for you to use it for a future video so people can see how they deal with people with mental health difficulties
How truly heartbreaking, sending my condolences.
@Nimbus, I am so so sorry for the loss of your friend 😢 💔
I too, have a dear friend who, although is still alive and well enough.. has gone through several times having gone through disfellowshipping after having gone through serious mental health crisis (diagnosed and treated with drugs) each time! Recently, last year, while going the the pandemic, pretty much alone, like many of us who didn't have jw family or mates living with us anyway... went through an extremely difficult time fighting her mental illness. Apparently, when she came out of it, she went to confess some sin.. although not df'd, this time, she was still reproved! This, was close enough to the last straw for me! I just can't understand it anymore! "Actions speak louder then words".
Wow these people are satanic period. Look at the Dark history of the JWs ,it's scary so glad I'm out and living my life
Oh, gosh, no... 😢😢💔
I'm SO sorry for your loss. No one deserves to lose a loved one like that, ESPECIALLY NOT to suicide.
My heart goes out to you, pal... This REALLY goes to show that disfellowshipping and shunning is NOT a "loving" discipline. It's punishment. It's a form of emotional abuse. It has led to thousands of suicides.
Also, shunning someone for not living up to the standards of being a Jehovah's Witness or speaking openly against the organization is FAR from loving. 😞😓💔
Dude! You have been a blessing to us PIMOs!
Thank you! Just trying to help people the same way I was helped.
This is amazing. You made this so clear.
It also proves how EVIL the wt really is. My church doesn't do this to anyone. Those who want or needs to leave, we have a potluck dinner for them, give them good wishes, and we keep in contact with them. Hating them would be against God.
Thank you for your video my friend.
🍃✝️🍃🍂🍁
Wow what a difference! Most JWs don’t even get a party when they get baptized! When you leave, you just get the boot and your name smeared.
@@exjwdiaries We have a big dinner when someone gets baptized at our church. We celebrate life. And we celebrate the love we have for others.
It is a GIANT contradiction to the wt.
The presenter is clearly a highly educated and eloquent man with a kindly and considerate personality.
@@terridovey7648 Yet the(JWs) call other religions satanic and lost so on so on and tell all the people that unless you are a JW you are evil
@Karen Moody That's what cult leaders do, sadly. It's all about the money and control first and foremost. That's why they call it a "theocratic society". They have their religion set up like the Catholic church (except the wt has a decopope), and they don't teach what the Scriptures actually says. And tons of man-made rules. They use Steven Hassan's B.I.T.E. model to keep their indoctrinated under their control.
B-ehavioral control
I-nformation control
T-hought control
E-motion control
It's sickening. It has nothing to do with the Bible at all. It's the blind and greedy leading the blind.😪
God bless Karen. Have a wonderful day my friend. 🍃✝️🍃⚘️
Great video man! I think the wider public needs to understand disfellowshiping an shunning
Thanks bro! I 100% agree! The more people that know what’s really going on behind closed doors, the less power the Watchtower has.
never been a JW, but I wanted to say that your thoughts and advice are helpful for any victim of religious abuse
Thank you! Much appreciated
On point. Born and raised in the cult. Thanks for the real truth.
Thank you!
Disfellowshipping is a form of emotional Blackmail and Bullying. Its a man made rule used by all cults. Thanks for your effort Justin!
It should be illegal or at least this cult should not be enjoying charity status.
That’s exactly what it is! Thank you!
Nicely done, sir. As an ex-elder myself; I was surprised during the Covid lockdown era by a teleconference with elders who unexpectedly just blurted out; "you're no longer one of Jehovah's witnesses." After coming to senses within the 6 mons. or so realizing that they had NO SCRIPTURAL REASON FOR EXPELLING ME; I have experienced all of the emotions and mistreatment and judging that goes on by these abusive men. In a 19 page letter of counsel to the Watchtower branch office and these elders; I included the 11/15/ 1980 Watchtower article, page 7, stating in part, "isolation is really unchristian"......THEIR WORDS!
Love you bro 🙌💯💯
I was DF’d 2 times in 32 years and in the verge being kicked out again for speaking up against CSA….. bro we were both overlooked in this such Borg …. My friends child was abused csa…. And he defends the Pedos and defend the GB
I spoke up against his son abuse …. And he got mad at me !!! Today
He said even if the GB is not logical we must follow and be disobedient!! I speak up !!! Now I’m the Kingdom Hall gossip ….. which means I’ll probably head some F Borg elders knocking at my door 🚪 soon
WF nightmare … you protect kids by speaking out!!! They still shoot you down !!! And dispose of you
Not as Jesus would de !! Mathew 5;43
To love even your enemies
Thanks man !!! I loved this video
Keep it up bro
What F nightmare
Thank you! Good for you for staying strong. Hang in there. If the Elders come in knocking just remember you owe them nothing!
Was this crime reported to the police?
Jesus always spoke up for kids. So sorry that you have to take heat for doing what is RIGHT. Never be ashamed of who you are, I am sure that victim appreciates your support. ❤️
Time for some interviews! If you have been through the disfellowshipping and reinstatement process and if you feel comfortable enough to share your story, please send me a message using the email at the end of the video. I would love to follow up this video with some real world stories.
What about those who have also suffered due to either friend's, family getting DF'd?
Or, even our exes getting disfellowshipped or just getting them caught due to the "2 person rule"? This, is supposedly set up to be "loving" and a "protection for the flock".. is it REALLY??? 🤷♀️🤕😮💨🙄
So on point and very well done. Thanks Justin, I have been passing your videos on to others who are contemplating gettin baptized into this corporation business masquerading as the “one true religion.”
Disfellowshiping is evil! Jw father will say, Son, I’d really love to talk with you. But, if I do I won’t be allowed to carry the microphones during meetings, or work behind the literature counter.😝
😂😂😂 so well put! Crazy how parents will disown their kids for “privileges”.
I know someone who has been trying to get reinstated for 3 years! Has written 3 letters.
Currently waiting for the elders to "get back with him." SO cruel 😢
Yep, me too. I've now sent a 4th letter to the U.S. branch service department; that was 3 months ago. Still haven't heard back from anyone. And take note, I included nearly 20 pages of scripture based counsel on 1. Why the DF'ng was wrong and not based in scripture,.. and 2. why witholding reinstatement from someone is even worse, and ignores EVERYTHING Jesus taught about love, mercy, compassion and treatment of those in the "world", or treatment of sinners! Including their own Watchtower articles counseling elders! Unbelievable. "Loving arrangement"; my **s!
wonderfully broken down and explained, you definitely proved that their policies on disfellowshipping are not loving but truly are hurtful.
Thank you!
I'm supporting you from a far.
Thank you for everything you do
Thank you!
You have a lot of wisdom for a young man 👍👍
Thank you!
BRAVO!!! 👏 👏 👏
What you said, 16 min in... was spot on!!! 👌 EXACTLY 💯 ... it makes, absolute, perfect sense... to take a "repentant" person and ACTUALLY "help them" through... What good does "shunning" do to "repentant" individuals? I also question... who decides "how" repentant a person is anyway??? A mere man does! Ummm... okay? Haven't we ALL seen at least 1 elder whose seriously sinned as well? They're not God! They may have been "appointed" by men..who have prayed to God, but... still mere men, none the less!!! I've seen some awesome elders and I've also seen some not so awesome.. 🤷♀️. I'm sure... we ALL have! 🙄
I have also been an auxiliary pioneer in my time... and was judged for having not "done enough" while dealing with a chronic debilitating illness! Was told, by a best friend, who pioneered along side of me... that it was "Satan attacking" me and I needed to "fight it and get to all the meetings and regular service, where I'd be protected " 🙄😮💨
I have a LOT of these stories.. sadly! 😥
I honestly, do not blame that friend, whom later on, came to my hospital room and apologized bc she herself began experiencing chronic pain and so forth! In the meantime... this issue, had gone on to become a gossip and slander towards me somehow becoming an apostate?!! Because, I...had also mentioned that if Jeh being loving, also loved those who were in nursing homes or had visible disabilities and couldn't go to meetings or service like others could... why wouldn't he love and forgive someone like myself..going through much the same? Why was I in the wrong or being shunned for being sick and unable to go to mtgs and service regularly bc my illness wasn't so visible??? 🤷♀️.
Just being DF'd isn't the ONLY reasons one could get "shunned". You could be considered "weak" or "bad association" even if... 🙄
So, though I still had to endure this...from several in the congregation...for a time anyway. There was 2 specific individuals (one was an anointed older sister and the other an elder, who'd gone to bethel) who came to me and actually comforted and made me feel better! Thus why I probably didn't just turn right away and quit then! The widow's mite was brought up to me as well as some good old fashioned common sense! Exactly what I'd told to my friend... I'm worthy of God's love too!
I still...DO NOT believe in "shunning" anyone who is truly sorry for a serious wrongdoing that is clearly in the Bible! Not these stupid little things that make no sense! Shunning...also scares most of us and that's the tactic that feels backwards to me! Didn't Jesus himself, die for our sins??? Ok! 🤷♀️😮💨
Exactly what happened to me….they called me an adulterer because I remarried after my divorce but because no one knew about it, I wasn’t punished….that’s when I realized it was utter nonsense.
I was born into that organization and I never agreed with that whole disfellowship policy. It took a while but I am so glad I woke up and got my power back.
Well said . The society knows that the lower the education the more fear works on those who are commanded not to question or doubt anything the WT demands . To the society , love has been turned into a weapon , and I might add.... a very good one .
Great job, thank you so much. Sending you love❤️
One elders son defrauded a sister (my moms friend) by doing unlicensed contracting work. He didn’t offer to fix the problem unless she could come up with more money and told her that anyone else would charge her an arm and a leg. When she said she was going to take him to court the elders kept trying to pressure her not to take him to court. That was a case of stealing and the only thing they did to the elders son was just reprove him.
Sheesh! That’s crazy! She should have sued him. That rule about JWs not suing each other just opens the door for bad business.
@@exjwdiaries that’s why I’m not surprised sadly when these allegations of CSA appear in the media. They will jump through hoops of file to avoid any legal exposure
Same thing happened to us. "Couldn't" go to court.. You technically 'can', but the pressure is "not to bring reproach on Jehovah's name."
Thanks. You are right. My daughter disobeys the 5th commandment with a promise to live long she does not honor me as a mother by shunning. None of the members know the sin i committed, even though scriptures say to expose before all onlookers persons who practice sin, in order for the jws to be safe from peodophiles, perverts, abusers, drunks, narcisstics, they must expose the crimes of the sinner, to the congregation, instead you must keep the peodophiles crime confidential so the sheep are in danger from wolves. I never sinned, i jusr grew a brain and do not accept men as my judges. Im going to her meeting soon, with a worldly friend with a bad temper, i will disrupt the meeting by speaking loudly about their rules, if the elders try to intimidate me by crowdinh round to shut me up, my friend may fly kick them, who knows , truth must be told, they are evil hypocrites
Thank you! Hopefully your daughter is able to wake up one day.
Very intelligent video, thank you from Perth Australia.
Thank you!
Everything you bring out is correct, but oddly enough, my disfellowshipping was one of the best things that ever happened to me (though it's been thirty years)
For some people getting disfellowshipped is definitely the wake up call that gives them freedom. Unfortunately other people end up getting stuck in POMI land. Glad you were able to get free!
@@exjwdiaries The funny thing with me is, I'm now learning all the acronyms and horror stories because now my sisters are leaving that train wreck and I'm helping them to break loose. I am really fortunate in having walked away relatively unscathed.
Absolutely thee best obersvation,Hands down you nailed it,Blown away by your insight,Truly loving in the manner you presented this critical thought,Much love brother!!
Thank you so much!
Definitely looking foward to more content
Excellent, Justin. Disfellowshipping is doesn't work. Many times the same people are disfellowshiped multiple times. There is no help for these people at their weakest point. Seems so counterintuitive.
Exactly! This is about punishment… not help.
In my case it only made me bitter and to this day I still feel the same towards this disgusting , delusional , deranged,vile cult .Does nothing but cause division in families, friends and communities.And they do nothing to help communities as at least other churches help their homeless etc They barely help their own
Is the wooden staff being used to sheperd or was that in Jesus time ?
Is the iron rod being used now ?
The lack of assistance for those at their weakest point doesn't sound like it's something that ll go down well in todays world.
Jesus kept no secret from his apostles or followers but the elders have a secret elders book. How hypocritical!!
Great point!
You must eat my flesh disgusted some so much so they left off following him
Your video of disfellowshipping/shunning is right on target when it comes to the harm that it does to JWs. In fact, this practice is something that got the Watchtower Society defunded, or stripped of money from the government of Norway, which considers shunning as a form of human rights violation. Thank you for shedding light on the unjust practice of disfellowshipping.
Let me add that shunning is also callous as well as harmful.
caused my brother to drink himself to death.
I’m so sorry for your brother. This policy is truly barbaric.
Great video, love your work!
Thank you very much!
Amen Justin. You said it 👏......
Excellent information
Thank you!
Your example of a rape victim being disfellowshipped was right on the money. This occurred in the late 1960's or very early 1970's. Victim: Black (I believe this very relevant to the action taken by the body of elders) female teenager. Presiding Overseer (the man in charge of the elders and, by extension, the congregation): Old, racist white man. Scene of the rape: High school football stadium, under the bleachers, while the game was being played. (Please note: The congregation's Theocratic Ministry School and Service Meeting were intentionally scheduled on Friday evenings to keep the congregation's teenagers from attending said football games.) I do not know if the victim went to the elders voluntarily or they called her in, but, however they found out, they found out. She was brought in for a judicial committee meeting. Result: She was disfellowshipped!!! Reason: She should not have been at that game in the first place! She brought it on herself! Which meant she had sex outside of marriage!!!
Just to be clear the PO was without question a racist pig! It had been less than a year since he was forced to allow the black brothers and sisters to attend meetings at our Hall. He was known to use the "n-word" and he eventually moved to a congregation in another state that was still segregated so he didn't have to associate with "those people"! In all honesty I do think the victim would have been disfellowshipped regardless of her race, but I still contend it played a definite role.
Yes, "Christian love" at its finest!!!
What a crock!!!
How appalling! That poor girl. I hope she found some actual justice and help through the authorities. The more I learn about this cult the more horrified I am. Just wish I'd woken up sooner.
Wow that’s crazy! Not the first time I’ve heard of something like this either! Hopefully that girl was able to get some justice. Those elders should be ashamed of themselves.
@@exjwdiaries and @Crazy Girl, Unfortunately, I have no idea what happened to her. I was still a child at the time, but even as children, my sister and I realized how wrong it was. She was the only member of her family that was attending the meetings at the time and we never saw her again. Like you, we both hope she is doing well in spite of her double trauma.
Outta Darkness, that's horrible!! 😞
I too, had a good friend, whom although a white gal, was raped by an employer! She and her inactivite husband at the time..(whom according to her was doing drugs and abusing her) had 4 young ones at home and she...was the only one actually providing income for them!
Anyhow, she contacted me and told me and though I encouraged her to go to the police 1st, she felt she should let the elders know also.. she asked me to go with her and she held my hand while she cried and asked for their help. One elder cried and felt badly for her while the other basically interrogated her! I questioned him and he said, this was typical of what they're supposed to ask.. We were 2 young women with young children and somewhat naive to this.
She had to attend another mtg and apparently they'd discouraged her to go to the police bc she might get questioned and bc she was alone with the man... she didn't scream (put of fear and shock duh..) 😐 she was df'd. 🤯
Her husband was treated like he was the victim and asked how they could help "him"!?!? 😮
Her husband, went on to commit serious crimes, along with still abusing her and her relief came after he committed a crime, ran from the cops and was incarcerated! 🎉 While in prison he told her he'd had consensual s.. relations with another male inmate and when she told him that was cheating! He laughed at her and told her she was stupid bc it's only cheating if it's with the opposite sex?!! 🙄 I helped her look up all the information for their next conversation about it. He, then twisted it and told her she'd cheated on him, which was why she was df'd and he could've left her bc the elders said he had the right to..but, he didn't! Yada, Yada, Yada. 🙄
Finally, she realized it was time for her to leave this jerk and get on with her life! She later, after he got out and went to mtgs (only bc she'd left him and he was hoping to gain sympathetic ears once again and get help in trying to force her to go back to him) was she able free herself from it all! She was treated pretty badly in the name of "love for your brother". Looking back, as I have been reliving some of the things I'd "witnessed" or had done to me personally... it's really been hitting me! It's after 2am now but the words just keep flowing here!!! 🤷♀️
I hope, I'm not bothering other's by my constant postings?!! 😮💨
Just want to say thank you, ahead.. for listening and or allowing me to comment. If it's too much, please, let me know..🙏
It's just been triggering my memories it seems. 🤕
@@tc64, First, this should always be a safe place to vent; all ex-JW channels should be. (Unfortunately, some are not, so please be careful.) Second, thank you for sharing your experience! I am sorry you were triggered, but, hopefully, getting it out was cathartic. Third, both your experience and mine help shine a light on the atrocious things this organization has done in the name of God. What a complete and utter crock! Please take care of yourself and best wishes on your journey of healing. ❤️🌻
New subscriber here! Excellent video!
Thanks for your support!
Great video once again thank you 😊
Thank you!
Straight shooter. Tell us like it is! Keep making good videos
You did such a good job!
Got disfelloweshipped for making out with a chick outside the church twice. And I was the one that came forward about it. Could of hid it. They kicked me out anyway. Then an elder's son sent me mocking texts and voicemails after the announcement when he's done much worse. His dad and brother are both elders in the congregation so he has free reign and so do they. It's all about connections and status, not cleanliness or repentance. It'll be about 5 years since, no way I'm going back. God has to talk to me now. Not trusting men ever again..😅
I’m so glad you woke up! What a stupid thing to be disfellowshipped for! Should have been reproved at the most and even that’s a stretch. Seems like you may have been targeted. That’s another thing that definitely goes on in the organization.
Brilliant👍👋✌🙏
Thank you!
What happens depends on their mental health. Some do kill themselves, some gain strength and leave, others endure and get back in.
Very true. There’s also some people who get DF’d and then just stay POMI. Too afraid to look at anything considered “apostate” and too ashamed to go back to the JWs. Very sad…
@@exjwdiaries i can imagine not being able to move on with your life. The brainwashing is tough.
I let it go but my Mother keeps it hanging over my head along with my 2 sisters ,but ,I have come y realize that I really don't need their crappy attitudes in my life ,I'm fine with out them and my mother can go to her grave knowing exactly how I feel and why and when she gets to the other side ( even if she doesn't believe that ) she will have to explain to God why she caused so much pain in her family .I forgive her but can she forgive herself is the question?
Governing Body is Not Inspired by GOD
The phrase Governing Body does not appear in any version of the Bible.
Correct !!
Inspired by demons the false prophet and the Wild beast as rev 16:13&14 says they should be..
My area minimum a year
AWESOME VIDEO!! IT IS ABOUT KEEPING EVERYBODY IN LINE/LISTENING NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY...OR ELSE!!!
Happy Holidays Enjoy
Happy Holidays
The disfellowshipping not suppose to help them (like the say) but a means to Force them to come back.
Yep it’s all about emotional manipulation
Great Job
Thank you!
One young girl who is elders daughter got bregnant and birth a baby but she was not disfellowship. This is very good example what these children of elders can do and others not.
It really gets under our skin..seeing the double standards thw worldly governments employ being mimicked in the Congregation..its really like rev 16:13&14 reveals..they're INSPIRED by them..not by God's standards .
TRUTH BE TOLD!!!!
Absolutely!
..great job Justin...df = listen, obey and shut the hell up...take back your power!
😂😂😂 exactly!
Great video my friend! They completely ignore the ENTIRE chapter 18 of Matthew. Especially verse 17. That more or less goes along with what you said about grabbing 3 or 4 strong brothers to comfort a sinner. Jesus after all said in this book:
“unless you become like children you will not enter into the kingdom…”
“Woe to the person through whom a stumbling block comes…”
“See that you do not look down on these little ones…”
“Leave the 99 on the mountain and go after the one astray…”
“Speak to the congregation” (not plead him guilty)
“For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst…”
If Jesus being “the way the truth and the life” - John 14:6
Then he would be in their midst if they allowed the love of Christ to take the wheel. But they don’t, they decide for themselves. Gods spirit isn’t with them. Jesus isn’t with them. The very fact that you have to wait to be re instated should indicate that there is no Holy Spirit present. Because the Hole Spirit is NOT a time keeper!
Perfectly said!!
Well done Justin. You make a convincing voice foe sleeping JWs.
Thank you 🙏
Awake January 8 1947 page 27 says. Shunning and excommunication is a pagan practice
Wow! Didn't know that! 🤷♀️
Hey Justin
Would it be possible for you to do a video on what often happens when someone who is married goes ahead and joins JW.
Seems to happen a bit and the other spouse is bamboozled when the indoctrination takes hold
Might make an interesting video
That definitely would be interesting. I’ll add it to the list and do some research.
As a woman with an alcohol problem, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I'm PIMQ and still drink when life stresses me out. No way am I ever going to confess this and go before a judicial committee. It's something science has proven I'm genetically predisposed to and the JW's treatment of me will only make it worse.
Regarding the isolation that comes with DF'g . . . how bleeping hypocritical! Constantly, preaching Proverbs 18:1 yet purposely isolating a relapsed alcoholic where they'll likely dive deeper into the depths of despair of their disease, especially since numerous JWs have told me MANY times that AA is dangerous because I'm associating with worldly individuals. I'm sorry but bug off and mind ya own!
Jesus would be disfellowshipped for eating with sinners. Did they miss that part?
I'm in Rhode Island and I was df'd for 3 years for consensual sex outside of marriage with non-witnesses and I came to them and confessed, no one in any congregation had any knowledge of my sins. I attended 98% of the meetings, and that includes 1.5 years of the plandemic on zoom where I was even more isolated. At the 2 year point when I asked the lead elder on my committee if they actually want me to come back, he said if Jesus was currently on earth, he may have executed me. Basically saying be thankful for this brutal punishment we are dishing out. Btw, I'm still searching for the scripture where Jesus executed anyone while he was walking the earth.
Now I'm grateful for that treatment because it was the straw that broke the camel's back, giving me the push that I needed to leave after 45 years.
Publishers can't get DFed I don't think but they can be publicly reproved which many treat as the same thing.
First and utmost, I remember watching your first Video, my main man was & still is Lloyd Evans only because i saw his first video when he did them in his bedroom. I was light years ahead of you guys when Istarted watching Robert King( e- Watchman) in 2001,( watchtower is an NGO in the united Nations) i was a PIMO ( now that it has a definite) back then, Anyway, first you have really gotten great at mastering content editing & creation😊 but where are you going to go from here, you need to or did you start another utube channel about something else while ur doing this channel, architecture, videos, motivational, videos, something because your great at this, ok let us know what the plan is, I have Faith you have something up your sleve😅
They call it the loving arrangement, but let's look at their own words...
"We must hate [the disfellowshipped person] in the truest sense, which is to regard with extreme active aversion, to consider [them] as odious, loathsome, filthy, to detest." -- WT Oct 1, 1952, p599.
HATE IN THE TRUEST SENSE. How is that the loving arrangement, Mr. Governing Body Member?
Bro you already know my story and have my email - I would love to do a interview!!
Absolutely! If you’re ready let’s do it!
@@exjwdiaries sounds good! Email or text/call me when your ready
Was the Prodigal son shunned by his father? NOPE!!! Only by his jealous siblings!
If someone wants to leave and is not repentant...let them go! If they want to remain... obviously, they're repentant and need help to turn around.. that easy! Use common sense and Love.. rather than judgment and bullying tactics 🙄
So in conclusion she has not had to deal with my ex-wife she cheated on me with another man at I get the axe and have not had a relationship with my family for 25 years but she who did this got away with it because her father was an elder and we all know this how is this right
The WT certainly has some inconsistencies about disfellowshipping and I feel really sorry that you had to go through unjust treatment by the elders. I don't want to delve into questions about your former marriage as that is personal and private. Thus goes to show even the "good and upright ones" can do the sneakiest things and true enough it is coming from very strict religious orgs. such as this.
It’s psychological torture.
Rape is assault, do they disfellowshiped men if they have been attacked?
Let me tell you istory I'll make it fast back in 1990 I got married to a presiding overseer elders daughter. Five years later in 1995 she was cheating on me with a man from her job for which she end up divorcing me and marrying him who is not a witness by the way anyway to make a long story short our divorce was final in 1996 I started drinking because I was trying to deal with my pain we also had two daughters by then as you can guess I was brought into a judicial committee I was disfellowshipped and you know I told them the elders give me a little time to get my head straight but they weren't having any of that that was twenty-five years I haven't mailed to speak to anybody my mother my sister's my brother-in-law's and one of my brother-in-law has passed away a few months back as you know I didn't go to the funeral because approximately three years after I was disfellowshipped my father passed
Sorry but my father passed away and at the funeral I was treated like a redheaded stepchild and I'm not kidding I grew up in this congregation I was treated as though I did not exist and I've never set foot back in there. But going back to the problem that caused this and my wife at the time who caused all this problem was never disfellowshipped and still to this day 25 years later
Wow!! These are the kind of stories we need to get out there! It really shows the lack of love and compassion in an organization that claims to have “love amongst themselves”. Thank you so much for sharing. I’m sorry you had to go through all of that.
(1 Corinthians 5:9-13) In my letter I wrote you to stop keeping company with sexually immoral people, 10 not meaning entirely with the sexually immoral people of this world or the greedy people or extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, you would actually have to get out of the world. 11 But now I am writing you to STOP KEEPING COMPANY WITH ANYONE CALL A BROTHER who is sexually immoral or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, NOT EVEN EATING WITH SUCH A MAN. 12 For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside, 13 while God judges those outside? “REMOVE THE WICKED PERSON FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.”
What do you all think this is referring to? Do you think it is ok to follow scripture only when it is to your benefit?
You are not telling the complete truth. Does the bible speak about speadisfellowshipping ? Why are you lying? Be very careful. Do you still believe in the bible?