Cinematic Lens Filters Compared | Tiffen Black Pro-Mist, Moment CineBloom & Prism Lens Dream FX
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0:00 - Intro
1:30 - Sigma 18-35 no filter
1:41 - Tiffen Black Pro-Mist
4:16 - Moment CineBloom
4:36 - Dream FX (all 3 compared)
5:15 - Filter build quality
6:29 - Canon FD vintage lens (all 4 compared)
8:13 - Squarespace
8:51 - "Black" pro-mist explained
9:13 - B-roll with Tiffen & Moment
10:10 - Pricing and additional thoughts
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I think the Tiffen looks the most natural. I prefer the 1/8 strength because it doesn’t bloom quite as much as 1/4.
Yep I agree. Got the Tiffen 1/8 and it's definately the best in most circumstances.
Like the tiffin best 1/8
yeah i think im gonna order the 1/8 it only needs a little touch
To be honest, tiffen looks the best
100% - as he said, retains the black levels as much as possible
also the halation around the lightsource is way more contained and looks more like something youd get from cinestill or similar
Moment one looks the worst by FAR 😂
The moment looks exactly like the NiSi MC Black Mist. A cheap Chinese option. My guess is that they are just rebranding it. I bought one NiSi MC Black Mist for 1/3 the price of a BPM. For the chinese price it's worth it. But Moment is selling it way higher than the Chinese price. Just a ripoff.
Tiffen is too strong.
I think why I like the cinebloom the most is because it still shows the light source with nice halation around it instead of it looking like a big smudge.
Exactly
I think it'll be nice to see all of the filters in action outside in real life filming situations
Glad someone made this video! I think another video said the Moment 20% was best for night shots and the 10% for day ones. I'm going to pick them up and try it out to see myself. I've been a Pro Mist 1/4 user pretty exclusively. That lifted black look could possibly be useful for certain projects
Thank you so much for showing us all of this! You are amazing!!!
that shirt is sick
It came from La Marzocco Seattle. 🤘🏼
have to agree
Do not buy from Moment if you need your gear in a timely manner. I paid for one of these filters on Monday. Well it’s Thursday and the filter still hasn’t even been shipped yet lol. Worse part is I payed for 2 day fedex shipping lol 🤦🏻♂️
@@robvision3888 got mine in 4 days.
Thank you for trying it out first with a “neutral/modern” lens. It really helps when comparing
Yes! I was waiting for this comparison!
THANK YOU! This video was super informative! Love the switching back and forth, it really helped!
Literally in the market for another halation filter and have been between these. Thanks man so helpful
the moment cinebloom actually seems to add a real film feeling sensation. Is it just me? Love the look of it...
I’ve got the cinebloom and the promist, both definitely have their place, they definitely add a film quality to the image that’s impossible to recreate with out them. Best decision I made to get more creative with my photography
I felt the same, I thought i liked the tiffen 1/4, until the cinebloom came on lol. something about it
Tiffen 1/4 looks amazing, and I also like how the dream fx is doing on the skin
Thanks for the comparison! I think I drove through Sakurai in Nara a couple days ago. Pretty place!
Best comparison and purpose I’ve seen on youtube.
I’ve been using Tiffen ProMist or Ultracontrast since the MiniDV days on the old Canon XL-1s. Love the look, and wouldn’t mind seeing it catch on with TH-camrs. Thanks for the comparison.
Great comparison, thanks Spenser! 👍
Thank you for the comparison! i think I'm gonna chose the Tiffen in the 1/8 strength because I liked the color of the tiffen better but preferred the strength of the moment.
Dang! Thanks for this! Just what I was looking for to see. 🙌
your tutorials are dope always get good info from you
Tiffen Black pro mist comes in 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, 1, 2, and 3 on popular sizes like 82mm. According to moment’s site the 10% is comparable to a 1/2 and the 20% is like a 1. Thanks for the comparison!
that's crazy how Moment compares it like that. after watching this video, the TIffen at 1/4 looks more strong than the Moment at 10% (1/2). I would of been fooled if it was said it's more like a 1/4 or even between 1/8 and 1/4 rather than a 1/2.
@@mike.canvas Agreed. I have the 10% and the 20% and the 10% seems stronger than my 1/4. My guess and non-scientific testing is that the 10% has about the same highlight diffusion as the 1/4, but it looks like more diffusion because the Tiffen retains more contrast in the shadows. I still find a use for the Tiffen, because I don't always want to lift my blacks as much. I like that i have the option of both products.
Hello, thanks for the comparison. I wonder how would the Schneider hollywood blackmagic filter compare?
Really appreciated the effort and detail you've put into this video man! I came across the moment lens not long ago, but now I'm also considering the Tiffen Black Pro Mist.
Like you showed in different situations, it's easier/harder to notice the subtle differences in halation and quality between the two. But somehow I find myself gravitating to the Tiffen because of how much it more retains the contrast and saturation of colours, whereas the Moment lens produces a grey cast across the screen.
Great video. I love your stuff. Canon FD with the Tiffen 1/4 really floats my boat. I have to wonder if there is a good post-production option for getting this effect. Coming from an audio production background my tendency is to always 'record clean' and manipulate in post. It seems like quite a bit of commitment to force a look on the original footage.
thanks for the test! it helps a lot, in my opinion i prefer keep tiffen in one since it still much like reality and it can be use in most the time, and also i will prefer one more dream filter to deal with some fancy or dreamy shot to make a quite different texture in shot. hope it can help people in doubt with that :)
Ayeee just another video I needed. Cheers Spencer ✌️
This exactly what I needed!! Thank you!
Crazy that you post this. I shot my last two videos with the dream filter and everyone I have showed the video to doesn’t seem to like it at all. Everyone has told me the same thing that it’s too strong. And I think so too. Def looking into getting the Tiffen now.
Hi, great video and thanks for the info. I am currently using the pro mist 1/4 with my GH5. I have my natural profile set to low sharpening in the settings. Should I put my setting back to normal and then use the pro mist or keep my in camera settings to low sharpening with the pro mist on top?
Awesome video, just found your channel today! Thanks for the great content :)
Just got the tiffen, can’t wait to test it!
Nice comparison. I got my CineBlooms a couple of days ago and really like them.
hey @Spenser Sakurai , does using step up rings on a lens reduce the filters effect since it will be further away from the front of lens vs screwing directly on to lens (if same filter size is used) ? Thanks! :)
Thank you for making this video. Seen too many misleading videos about the moment filter.
Well this is exactly the video I needed. I was about to buy the Tiffen and then Moment release theirs so I’ve been wondering how they compare.
9:11 nice headphones
Waiting for 4 days for the PMVND Mist Edition to come out! I assume that it is a mix between a vnd and a pro mist filter!
Bro I literally just checked 10 min ago if there were any new videos on the cine bloom.😂
Very informative thanks! I saw that Viltrox 23mm lens, how do you like it for video use?
It’ll be interesting to see how these especially the tiffen will fare against the upcoming Polar Pros x PM VND+Mist. But so far in this, Tiffen is a clear choice for me.
wow loved the music, also great video! really helpful, thanks!
So Cinebloom 10% seems equivalent to the BlackProMist 1/8? But for half the price and slightly higher black levels?
Great video! I have the BPM 1/4 but was wondering if it was worth adding the 10% cinebloom into my filter set. Also, you filmed this video with the UMP 4.6k?
I've been experimenting a bit with diffusion filters, both Cineboms and K+F 'black mist' ( a similar to but much less expensive Tiffen) My conclusion, so far is that the scene they're used in is critical to the overall end result. A high key subject imho needs a lower 'strength' filter as the diffusion tonal dilution can end up with a "milky" look, I see Moment have now added a 5% to their range which I think could perhaps be to use in such circumstances, a 'black filter' might be my overall choice for high key. Concersely a low key scene especially night shots in urban environments can take much higher levels of diffusion the 20% Cinebloom works fine and if you want to push it to semi fantasy/dreamy ,using the 10% and 20% together works.
First of all, I would like to thank you for this great comparison. I’m in love with tiffen one, but the only one question bother me all the time. How can I use my vnd with tiffen and should I? Appreciate
This video was very helpful! Thank you.
Do I need to use an ND filter with the promist or is the pro mist also adding neutral density to the image when on a bright sunny day?
Loved all the info in this video, so which Tiffen 55mm Black Pro-Mist 1/4 Filter size would you get for the SIGMA 18-35? On the link in description it showed only 55mm, 100mm etc etc I didnt see a 35 mm, any help? Thanks!
Would be great to see side by side comparison bw the filter and a post effect fx such as Final Cut.
I prefer the look of the moment filter, thanks for the vid!
every time he says "quote on quote filmic look" take a shot
Thanks for that video! I'm looking for a filter like that for my fuji x lenses. So I need a filter size of 46mm. Is there anything available? I can't find anything
Thanks for the tip on simply getting a step up ring. I wish I watched this last week when I bought two sets of other filters, but at least they were just cheap filters. I had a Tiffen 1/4 & 1/2 72mm in my cart last night ready to be bought for my main lens (Nikkor Z 24mm 1.8) and then after seeing this I swapped it to the 82mm and bought a set of step down rings as well as getting a couple specifically to go from 82mm to my two lenses to save time (since, they're barely $15 so who cares). I'm completely new to cameras. I've finally taken the plunge and bought a Nikon Z6II for my overhead camera for my piano videos. Been using Gopro's for years and tired of the crazy distortion and lack of low light control (well, my area isn't low light but it is to a gopro). Figured I'd try these filters to try to get a different look. In your comparisons, looks like the Tiffen blacks look far better. That a good thing since my keyboard is black. In some of the others, the blacks looked very washed out. Thanks again!
Hi, did You try to set pro-mist 1/8 (because effect from filter will be stronger) in front of camera sensor?? What do you think about it??
Do you have any experience with the Schneider Hollywood Black Magic 1/4? I'm deciding between this and the BPS but there are not good comparisons that use the same shots and lighting for each.
Hello, if I have a sigma 18 35, which filter should I buy or if I have a super takuma
I don't own a camera but very much passionate about it so just curious to know that can we use 2 filters together? Like what if we are on a outdoor shoot and we want to use ND as well black pro mist filter/cinebloom or polarizer filter or uv filter together?
I’m partial to the cinebloom! I like it more 😫
Hi Spencer! What song was playing at the end of your video? Where can I find it? Thanks!
Yep this is exactly the video I needed!!
Pro mist was the only filter that made the halation blend in with the light instead of sitting on top of it if that makes sense. Just felt more organic
That was my first reaction, no contest here imo.
Thank you for explaning I really appreciated! ☺ I have a question for you, thank you in advance for answring... I would like to use the lens Sony 24-105mm on my Sony A7IV, then I would like to apply a Nisi Black Mist on it, and on the black mist I’d like to put the ND64 6stops + CPL integrated filter by Nisi. Will I make a mess of my photos and videos? Would this be a bad choice to make? Is the 24-105mm G really less sharp, bidimensional, sad looking and not good in night, low light or indoors situations? Cause my intention is to get a tridimensional, cinematic looking on my photos and videos.
hello! so me i’ve checked both the bloom and dream filter. The price of both is super fine, but since i’m a n Mexico the price for shipping is too high, almost the same as the filter itself... Amazon does sell the Pro Mist... if I wanted the equivalent of the dream or bloom, which Pro Mist should i go for? the 1/2? the 1? thanks !!
I like the low bloom of the Moment for direct light sources but the Tiffen looks great with contrast and looks the best as long as you're not shooting straight into a light source.
I'd use the Tiffen for an outdoor shoot.
Hi, what do You think about to cut pro mist filter and set it in front of camera sensor?? will it influence the strength of effect ?? I want to buy the smallest size and try to do that. but afraid of wasting my money. Would be great if You made this test)
Awesome review! I wonder though how "bad" does a pro-mist filter affect image sharpness. And would a 1/4 affect sharpness more than a 1/8? Like the higher the filter grade/stop, the less sharp images would be?
Me: "Oh damn, the Fujifilm looks good..."
Spenser: "...and we're shooting on the Ursa Mini 5.6k..."
Me: "Welp, I'll see myself out..."
Hahahah was going to do this video next week.... ya beat me to it haha. Well done!
What do you think about the black satin compared to the promist?
Pretty fond of the FD w/ no filter.
So you compared all three in different strengths? Maybe compare pro mist 1/4 with the 20% moment.
Good comparison. Thanks.
Very helpful! Thank you!
Can you please help me? If I wanted to buy this for the default lense of my Sony a7iii what size do I get?
Great work!
Which Pro Mist filter you would recommend for the Canon RF 35mm F1.8 Macro IS STM Camera Lens?
the dream fx filter looks really nice on the key side of your face
I literally just ordered the cinebloom last night to make this exact video 😂
From the examples I’ve seen so far, it looks like the cinebloom desaturates the entire image quite a bit and effects overall contrast/lifts the shadows, while the pro mist, which I use all the time, just sticks to the contrast in the high mids and highlights.
But I’m excited to get it in and test for myself 🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼
Give later your opinion pleas 🙏
Ah yes, that good ol' "Nose Oil" effect. A must have! lol!
jus bought the BPM I like it for certain shots.
I have the fx dream effects! It's an awesome filter! Try it an night with city lights!
Nice dude, i use the Tiffen 1/4 and 1/8 i like them a-lot. The cinebloom looks good but i'm not to sold on it as seems to effect the whole image where the Tiffen is more natural looking i think. Good Video though dude.
if you had to buy them again which would you buy first?
Cool comparison. Could you do one with Glimmer Glass?
Amazing Work 👍
Are you a fan of stacking filters? Also do you have a video for the black satin as well?
I’m debating on the Black Pro mist and the black satin for my wife new beauty TH-cam channel first filter!
I appreciate your great video!
amazing comparison.
Could the Cinebloom 10% be more similar to regular Pro-Mist?
Thanks for doing this.
I like the pro mist the most and the dream fx would be nice for a cinestill look at night for the hallation look
Cheers buddy, very accurate comparison! I'll go for the oil on my nose tho 👃
Do i need this for photography? Or can i recreatr this look in lightroom?
Just got my 20% CineBloom today! Stoked to try it; awesome comparison btw 🤙🏽
Not going to lie, I think it prefer the subtlety of the cinebloom well done moment!
what f stop are you using - I bet that has an effect on the differential blooming between highlights and shadow
Great video! I’m curious to know how adjusting aperture affects the mist effect. Or for example using them on a cropped sensor camera.
the most noticeable change in the diffusion amount is when you vary the focal lenght (therefore the cropping factor as well) due to the resulting magnification of the image in front of the lens, including the optical characteristics of the diffusion filter. ie: the more you zoom in, the stronger the diffusion becomes.
@@adeadolfo ah that makes sense - thanks for chiming in - if I follow your explanation correctly (not had my coffee) this means that on a cropped sensor camera one could use "lighter" / less diffusing filters to get a similar result as on a full frame camera fitted with a stronger diffusion filter. For some reason I expected the inverse relationship to be true.
@@AndriSoren You got it right! Apparently it is quite common to use 1/4 on wide lenses and 1/8 on larger focal lenght ones to match the softness on a sequence with both wide and close-up shots...
@@adeadolfo ahhh 🤓
One nice effect from the bloom is that it helps communicate the color of a bright practical light. For example, that tube light might be capable of a wide variety of color temperatures, but there's a good chance the outline of the tube itself is going to be completely white in the finished piece. The light could even be orange, magenta, cyan, even a really bright red, and still the bulb itself can appear white depending on what else is going on. But when you've got bloom, that bloom doesn't necessarily suffer the same blow-out. Optics only clip in technology, not in nature (unless you want to get into quantum mechanics). It's the kind of thing that would be hard to fix in post. Imagine if, for some reason, the tube light is completely in focus, and the image is tack-sharp with no bloom when it's captured. Your editing software has no idea that it was an orange light. It just sees the white. So if you apply a bloom effect in post, the bloom will just be white, unless for some reason you exposed way to the left.
It's something we don't think about too much. If we look at a red light in real life, no matter how bright that light it, it's still going to look red. But in film, that same light might appear white or yellow or cream, with a strong red bloom around it. And without having to think about it, our brain informs us that the light is red because the bloom gives us that evidence.
it'd be interesting to compare these to a post processing recreation of their effect.
Nice video! Thumbs up :)
I'm wondering if I can use these kind of filters on top of my variable nd? 🤔
Yes definitely.
yes, definitely. but because most vari nd’s are larger on the outside, put the diffusion filter on first.
What is the difference between a filter and doing this in post with luma key and blur? Thanks!
@matheauFX I had the same question. I think you miss the softening / fall off of the skin tones since you are only dealing with the light halation in post. Is that right?
Muy buen vídeo !