DOUGLAS SECRET PROJECTS - Aircraft Concepts and Proposals from Long Beach, CA during the Cold War.

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  • @ericboehm9457
    @ericboehm9457 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I was an USAF structural maintenance guy at Dover 78-82. I remember everybody being invited to the base theater for a presentation on the C-X program, the next airlifter to be developed. The renderings were amazing. I assume this became the C-17.

  • @johnnyallred3753
    @johnnyallred3753 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As always a very enjoyable and informative video!! I could look at the art work for hours! Thanks Mike.

  • @RyeOnHam
    @RyeOnHam 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I was on a self-deploy package with the KC-10 flying from Alaska to Florida, nonstop. Got to watch an A/R with our F-15's. We did, indeed, have a spare engine along with pallets of toolboxes and spares (avionics, etc.). Funny thing was that we lost our KC-10 transport to missions in Kosovo and had to find our own way back to Alaska. Non-stop on a KC-10 was MUCH better than four separate flights and about 18 hours of layovers. I was also at Barksdale right after we lost 190. There was still a portion of the wreckage, most notably the radome, near the runway. There was also still the big scorch mark where she burned down. The scuttlebut was that the fuel transfer pump draining the wing tanks was inop and when it ran dry it kept going, overheated, and caused an explosion.

  • @michaelmartinez1345
    @michaelmartinez1345 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was a great Episode Mike!!! I did not realise Douglas was in on the SST proposal 'sweepstakes' prior to this presentation & photos...

  • @mjf1036
    @mjf1036 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Outstanding episode this week Mike. I love viewing all the work you and your colleagues created. It is so nice that these images can now be shown to a worldwide audience.

  • @N99JH
    @N99JH 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Awesome presentation Mike, I learned a lot - Many Thanks.

  • @hairy-one
    @hairy-one 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "Are we not men? We are Dougloid." I worked on the 9 line in Long Beach 78-82.
    If you're interested, one YC-15 is on display outside the main gate of Edwards air force base along with a display of century series fighters. Worth the short side trip from Rosamond.

  • @scootertooter6874
    @scootertooter6874 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I went to work at MDAC in Huntington Beach in 1988. When I walked into the plant for one of the first times, I noticed a huge display model on a stand of a white C-17. It was the proposed EC-17, "Replacement Worldwide Airborne Command Post" (R-WWABNCP)...seems like yesterday!

  • @emaheiwa8174
    @emaheiwa8174 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This is gold!

  • @darkwood777
    @darkwood777 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thunderbirds are Go!

  • @zeroelus
    @zeroelus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Love your channel, unique content you'll never find in any other place in TH-cam, and we're so lucky you're sharing those vast archives you have access to with us.
    Keep up the great work!

  • @jim5870
    @jim5870 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Congratulations on your award at the GOE 2024 !

  • @FLT111
    @FLT111 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love your content! Keep up the great work!

  • @keithtarrier4558
    @keithtarrier4558 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    These are awesome planes... if only...
    As always, an awesome video with incredibly interesting info and illustrations/photos.

  • @bertg.6056
    @bertg.6056 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wow, another outstanding and informative presentation, Mike. Thanks !

  • @TJRohyans
    @TJRohyans 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Flew multiple times on the KC-135, but never got the chance to fly on a KC-10. I know the boom operators preferred the arrangement of their position on the KC-10 vs. the KC-135.

  • @mikelynn4754
    @mikelynn4754 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Once again brilliant piece of work Mike. Thank you. I remember seeing the YC-15 at Farnborough in 76 and being hugely impressed, it was like Thunderbird 2 had arrived! And of course being a Brit would luv to have seen the HS Hawk in USAF service. Thanks again and look forward to next video.😀

  • @GustavoMonasterio
    @GustavoMonasterio 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Wonderful video as usual, Mike! The aircraft shown were really icurious! Greetings from Brazil!

  • @allgood6760
    @allgood6760 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for this 👍✈️

  • @andhelm7097
    @andhelm7097 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks Mike brings back some memories of illustrations of advanced aircraft.😊 I saw in various magazines and books.

  • @sonnyhayes689
    @sonnyhayes689 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank for the walk down memory lane. During the tarmac detail assembly of C-15 project I had the privilege of a tour aboard the aircraft. The chief ground pilot, Glen Hubbard a personal friend, gave me the tour. What an amazing aircraft. Too bad it didn't go beyond the protype stage.

  • @johannesbols57
    @johannesbols57 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    2:54 it looks like the rocket would introduce FOD into the engines on the vertical stabilizer. At the very least the heat from the exhaust would enter the engines and make them upset. Could a DC-10 take off from LGA at MTOW? It must've been fun for the flight deck!

  • @PhantomLover007
    @PhantomLover007 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great video. Thank you for posting it. A lot of different concepts that I’ve never seen before. I know that MDD had been swallowed up by Boeing, and the F-4 Phantom is my all-time favorite aircraft. Seeing them referred to as Boeing, made my eyes burn. I will never, ever, refer to them as a Boeing aircraft. They will always be in my heart, a McDonnell Douglas air frame.

  • @michaelvandenbergh6882
    @michaelvandenbergh6882 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Very interesting concepts. Too bad they never got off the drawing board. Politics is a dirty business.

  • @Allan_aka_RocKITEman
    @Allan_aka_RocKITEman 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    At 02:39 in this video:
    FWIW: Yeah, I thought of the *_"Caspian Sea Monster"_* as well.

  • @FLT111
    @FLT111 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I sometimes wish McDonnell never merged with Douglas. Douglas was pure class, building some excellent aircraft that were well built, easy to maintain and lasted a life time!

  • @yetiatlarge555
    @yetiatlarge555 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thank you so much Mike love the videos you put so much work into him I have learned more watching your channel than a combination of all the other aviation channels I watched together. Your channel is growing and I'm very impressed by your success

  • @timtate226
    @timtate226 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great stuff. I really love the paintings.

  • @brianwaldrop3506
    @brianwaldrop3506 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Splendidly-rendered research and presentation, Mike, and hoping for more "deep-dive" subjects such as this in the future. Well-done, as always!

  • @yetiatlarge555
    @yetiatlarge555 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Viewer request, I'm very interested in aircraft that have shared very different wings and tail structures and vice versa; wings and tail structures that have been on different aircraft. My point of reference is how the F104 starfighter was a relative of a U-2 with radically different aspect ratio wings. Is there enough there to make a full length video out of if there is it would be fascinating to see your perspective on it.

  • @craiglordable
    @craiglordable 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks Mike. Saw the YC-15 ? (C-17 eventually) launch at LGB going out to Palmdale. Wow it was loud back then. I think they put different powerplants on it later on., maybe you would know.

  • @johnosbourn4312
    @johnosbourn4312 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey Mike, there was no air force Major Command know as the Tactical Training Command, instead, it was Air Training Command, untill Summer '93, when it became AETC; Air Education and Training Command.

  • @KarrasK5
    @KarrasK5 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Douglas Aircraft will always be in our hearts! DC-10 Forever!
    Thanks Mike for another great video

  • @Strong_UP_Calvins_zombie
    @Strong_UP_Calvins_zombie 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Your art is truly awesome! Reminds me of the art from
    GI Joe. Very very cool

  • @lancerevell5979
    @lancerevell5979 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Douglas SST designers were obviously looking at the North American XB-70 for inspiration. 😮

  • @Yosemite-George-61
    @Yosemite-George-61 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ...y'all forgot the French DC-7 "Avions de Mesures et d'Observations au Réceptacle," ou DC-7 "AMOR"... à refaire!

  • @JuanIparraguirre
    @JuanIparraguirre 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    @2:43 That is not the Caspian Sea Monster, that is a Class Lun Ekranoplan, the Caspian Sea Monster had no missile pods, it was way bigger and the horizontal stabilizer had positive dihedral.

  • @RocketmanS2K
    @RocketmanS2K 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Mike, of course you know that now you have to cover other manufacturers' concepts and prototypes too. Can't wait! 😄

  • @johnosbourn4312
    @johnosbourn4312 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Actually Mike, ATB stood for Advanced Technology Bomber, and the B-21 Raider is the end result of the LRD-B; Long Range Strike-Bomber program. The ATB Program birthed the B-2 Spirit bomber.

  • @jorgwindmuller2228
    @jorgwindmuller2228 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    “XC-132 - never got off the drawing board” … not quite Mike as a full mock-up was built at Tulsa

  • @homunculous007
    @homunculous007 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Your videos are a pure delight. Copious thanks.

  • @mathewcaldwell4108
    @mathewcaldwell4108 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    As always very informative and easy to watch. Never been disappointed. My grandmother work for Douglas during the war and my father worked on the DC-8 stretch 62.
    So I love getting the inside information on the Douglas and Mcdonald planes.
    Thanks for the video's

  • @fredtedstedman
    @fredtedstedman 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    These "what if " projects are fascinating !

  • @AMStationEngineer
    @AMStationEngineer 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    We had to have met each other at one time, as I was 'deported' by Smiths, to "Wichita Beach", (Raytheon) for assisting with the avionics on the JPATS T-6A. Got tired of Pizza Hut and Pepsi darn quick! (built a 555 timer "random power timer", and connected it to a "1960's dive motel magic fingers bed massager", in a room which was assigned to a contractor who was a pain in everyone's arse.) Came close to occupying a steam grate and selling pencils on that one, but NASA picked me up instead!

  • @Allan_aka_RocKITEman
    @Allan_aka_RocKITEman 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Back in the 'pre-internet' days, I did not quite understand what the C-133 Cargomaster was. And by that I mean I was unsure who built it. I actually thought it might have been a modification of the Lockheed C-130 Hercules. {I had never seen one in person, only in photographs.}
    Several years ago I visited the USAF's AMC[?] museum at Dover AFB. They have a C-133 there. They actually opened it while I was there, so I got to go inside. I learned...
    (1) It was built by Douglas.
    (2) It was larger than a C-130. I have been around _Herky Birds,_ and the C-133 is DEFINITELY LARGER.
    (3) It was the _predecessor_ {in the strategic cargo role} to the Lockheed C-5 Galaxy.

  • @Idahoguy10157
    @Idahoguy10157 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Unfortunately the air force did not buy more KC-10 tankers

  • @MartinCHorowitz
    @MartinCHorowitz 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Reminds me of my time working on the C-17 and the KC10.

  • @AlanToon-fy4hg
    @AlanToon-fy4hg 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It would be interesting to see if anything remains of Lockheed's proposal for a two-engined C-130.
    I have heard that everything possible had been destroyed.....

  • @kevinbissett293
    @kevinbissett293 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My son flew a KC-10. Out of McGuire

  • @adrianmarrujo3995
    @adrianmarrujo3995 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have the original Twin Engine DC-10 painting on canvas by what looks like artist "Tseigle", and on the back is L003749. Can you tell me more about this painting as it fits right into your wonderful "Douglas Secret Projects" on TH-cam.

  • @tim250
    @tim250 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great job Mike! I really enjoyed it. How about one on Grumman concepts and proposals for an ex-pat Long Islander? Please 🙂

  • @demizer1968
    @demizer1968 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what ever happened to the robin egg blue paint scheme that was so successful in the 80's?

  • @Horsefingerandthetaintwrights
    @Horsefingerandthetaintwrights 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My Pops worked for Douglas in Santa Monica. He finished off 46 years in HB.
    I had plenty of your work hanging on my walls as a kid. Thank you. That was an awesome presentation.

  • @gendaminoru3195
    @gendaminoru3195 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I visited the YC-15 at Davis Monthan not long ago. I would like to see what you have on the MD-87 sub chaser offerings, with it's GE 36 contra-rotating propfan engines. That would have been better than the P-8A and could have been deployed much sooner, and might have saved the concept for PAX use.

  • @Yosemite-George-61
    @Yosemite-George-61 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Bô ! How about the X-3! Hahaha... it WAS a good airplane! First titanium structure, all that slow speed data, the inertia coupling data... the afterburners... o'l Bridgeman earned his pay and made life easier at Lockeed! Your paintings are great, love'em! Thanks for the video, cheers from Normandy.

  • @sundog_dd5278
    @sundog_dd5278 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ATB stood for Advanced Technology Bomber. It was devepod from the ATA-S and the ATA-B programs, which were advanced techology aircraft-A and Advanced Technology Aircraft-B. "A" was a smaller stealth strike aircraft and B was a larger stealth strike aircraft. ATA-A lead to the F-117 program and ATA-B lead to the ATB/B-2 program.

  • @x15galmichelleevans
    @x15galmichelleevans 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great episode Mike. Many thanks for your wonderful historical research.

  • @jetsons101
    @jetsons101 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Mike, a very enjoyable watch, full on loads of information and great images.
    Back to work.........

  • @billpugh58
    @billpugh58 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Set playback to 1.25 and it sounds normal!

  • @Airsally
    @Airsally 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very cool. Lot of great info ,and paintings. You had a awesome caree,and continue share your talents with us. Thanks.

  • @jean-louisdelezenne645
    @jean-louisdelezenne645 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another stunner ! ( you once again got me with a Concorde and Tu144,!) Great presentation as always !

  • @Commander-McBragg
    @Commander-McBragg 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ATB FTW! Looks like the radical paper plane we used to make. Love winglets on a flying wing.

  • @ivaylovitanov9389
    @ivaylovitanov9389 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amazing pictures! I love ❤️ this classic aviation pictures and paintings!

  • @andreperrault5393
    @andreperrault5393 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video. I remember most of these, but some are new. Always interesting. Thanks

  • @bosoerjadi2838
    @bosoerjadi2838 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    11:06 The CP-10 LRCP must be the largest US-made aircraft ever to (going to) be equipped with air-to-air missiles. Imagine DC-10 variants getting into dogfights with Soviet airborne intruders into Norad airspace over the Arctic.

  • @davefellhoelter1343
    @davefellhoelter1343 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Grew Up 60's to 80's on the same Street as WWII Douglas and Rock Well Int Lakewood Blvd and Clark Ave. Gma Honey was a "Legal Secratary, Stenographer, Short hand with Clearances in the Industry WWII and after..
    I was In Side the Boeing LB/old Douglas offices a few days Post 911 with Armed Escorts as an Eletrician.
    My Next Son in Law is getting all his Cirts to Work in the Very Same Area! for the Same System's, just Modern!

  • @jaycooper2812
    @jaycooper2812 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's a real shame that some of the most iconic aircraft in military history are now listed as Boeing products when they were all originally designed and built by McDonald Douglas. Im talking about the F-15 Eagle, C-17 Globemaster III, and FA-18 Hornet.

  • @Mtlmshr
    @Mtlmshr 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great work both in your job as a illustrator and the content of this video well done! I did enjoy that

  • @luthermcgee3767
    @luthermcgee3767 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent artwork in these illustrations. In fact, a godsend- I'm an artist, and there's an older model here that I saw at the Bolton Airfield where I worked. Not as an illustrator ( even though I've drawn the landing gears of F-16s ) I was involved in the project of laying a new landing strip.

  • @TroysMilitaryHistory
    @TroysMilitaryHistory 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey Mike, did you ever meet Donald Douglas?

  • @MichaelJPopil
    @MichaelJPopil 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mike: Not sure how often you wander over to Instagram (I'm not much of a user myself), but I dug of some old McDonnell Douglas semi-secret artwork and sent some pix to you.

  • @alanpareis734
    @alanpareis734 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another great one. Thanks Mike. This was mostly new territory for me.

  • @glennweaver3014
    @glennweaver3014 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video Mike. You and your fellow aviation artists created some interesting and very attractive renderings for our enjoyment. Thank you for all you do.

  • @dhroman4564
    @dhroman4564 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Awesome video always enjoying learning more about aviation.

  • @SPak-rt2gb
    @SPak-rt2gb 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thunderbird's Are Go...That's what these concepts remind me of.

  • @toomanyhobbies2011
    @toomanyhobbies2011 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for sharing your first-hand experiences and art.

  • @thegavel628
    @thegavel628 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very Cool. Many Thanks.

  • @stevecausey545
    @stevecausey545 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When I see the ATB...I'm wondering if they had a peek at Jack Northrop's shop

  • @jniltonsantanna
    @jniltonsantanna 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Iranian Air Force used to use the 747 as tanker. Probably is or was the single user of the type.

  • @JamesLaserpimpWalsh
    @JamesLaserpimpWalsh 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the video. It's ironic seeing all these ideas coming are into vogue once again what with the Rapid dragon system et al.

  • @malcolmcarter1726
    @malcolmcarter1726 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The model 229 has the same canted down (in flight) wing-tips as the XB 70.

  • @Wild-Dad
    @Wild-Dad 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There are some designs that could easily be replicated using basic model aircraft hulls!

  • @paulnicoll7431
    @paulnicoll7431 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My father worked with Art Shaw on development of the BAe hawk for the US Navy

  • @fredblonder7850
    @fredblonder7850 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    7:16: The Revell model kit - I still have mine, um, somewhere.

  • @kneedeepsnow16
    @kneedeepsnow16 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome presentation... thank you so much!

  • @massimoforesti
    @massimoforesti 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Was there ever talk of making a tanker version of the MD-11?

  • @stevecausey545
    @stevecausey545 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I know you love Douglas aviation...but does it seem like they were thrashing around in Boeing's shadow?

  • @marbleman52
    @marbleman52 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Scene: At the airport. Husband says to wife as they are walking out to board plane..." Marge, I think we are getting on the wrong plane. Wife: Oh hush up, Gerald, you're always complaining about something. " One hour later the Captain comes on the intercom: .." Ladies & gentlemen, please have your seat belts securely tightened, you will be launched out the side in one minute into enemy airspace. Be prepared for wind buffeting. "

    • @kiwitrainguy
      @kiwitrainguy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      A passenger is checking in his three bags and says to the clerk "I want this one to go to Miami, this one to go Los Angeles and this one to go to New York" The Clerk says "We can't do that", the passenger says "Why? you did it last week."

  • @remylopez4821
    @remylopez4821 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another excellent video Mike, on a sidenote, concerning the KC 10 as a former flight engineer on C141 cargo aircraft when air to air refueling from a KC-10 to a T Tail type aircraft the exhaust from the number two engine ( the one on the tail) was practically in line with the horizontal stabilizer of the receiving aircraft making the pilots job that much more difficult compared to a KC 135 tanker just a little bit of info anyways again, thank you for what you do

    • @remylopez4821
      @remylopez4821 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      On some of the Sideview profiles that you show you could see that

    • @kiwitrainguy
      @kiwitrainguy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I wonder if, during refuelling procedures like that (they wouldn't be that common) if the KC-10 were to throttle back/power-down the tail engine to avoid the turbulence problems. Or would the reduced thrust be a problem?

    • @remylopez4821
      @remylopez4821 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@kiwitrainguy to be honest I don’t remember, but I think maybe if they knew they were refueling an aircraft with a T tail configuration, they would increase thrust on engines one and three and decreased thrust on number two but I don’t remember for sure

    • @kiwitrainguy
      @kiwitrainguy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for that.@@remylopez4821

  • @handy335
    @handy335 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Excellent! Thank you!

  • @martinpennock9430
    @martinpennock9430 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just another wonderful episode Mr. Machat! Love the channel. Hope you had a safe and wonderful Thanksgiving. I look forward to each and every post. Never knew about the many aspects of advanced design. I've heard or read about some, but you put things in a much clearer perspective for me. Thanks again! As always, God bless you and your family. Thanks for everything you do! Take care always Sir!!

  • @dedeshields
    @dedeshields 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for this. Brought me back to my childhood where my grandfather (who worked at Douglas in Santa Monica and Long Beach) would sit me on his lap and show me drawings of what he worked on there.

  • @major3336
    @major3336 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Always love to see experimental aircraft ideas of the old days. So crazy, unique, yet somehow still functional and engineered with a supposed purpose.

  • @glennac
    @glennac 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mike, how often are you out at the Museum in SM?

  • @robertdragoff6909
    @robertdragoff6909 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Looking forward to another video of projects that never left the drawing board….
    How about Boeing?

  • @paulbervid1610
    @paulbervid1610 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video as always.

  • @stephenkastory2322
    @stephenkastory2322 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I enjoyed the video and I always learn something I didn’t know. Thank You

  • @nadermansour7487
    @nadermansour7487 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What sort of timeline did you have to finish paintings? Were these airbrushed?

    • @celebratingaviationwithmik9782
      @celebratingaviationwithmik9782  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Our paintings were done in water-based Designers Gouache which dried very fast. Paintings usually had to be finished in about three days. Thanks for watching!

  • @machpodfan
    @machpodfan 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent episode, enjoyed every second of it and learned a new thing or two!

  • @craigw.scribner6490
    @craigw.scribner6490 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks, Mike!