Yeah, neely may not have been very professional.. but that's in 1980... we're in 2024.. not having him killed is professional today.. still, refusing an 8x8 doesn't sound very professional either.. make him the 6ths highest paid with the least credentialed of the top 10. Neely is only making sure everyone knows that Boston is NOT lowballing the guy... he's just pulling a UAW and demanding an obscene increase. I hope we don't see him in 24/25.. let him find out how much he can get with a season off.. and still be an RFA next year.
6th highest paid goalie is not that impressive at the time of signing considering he's pretty easily the best U-28 goalie in the NHL besides maybe Oetter. He needs to be paid close to Hellebuyck considering you're getting his entire prime unlike the Helle, Saros and Sorokin deals.
@@MikeBartner Great.. give him a 1/2mil more and he's the 4th highest.. and the 3 above all have carried their teams to the finals (2 of which have cup rings).. and they all got them as UFA's.. as an RFA... you don't have the best bargaining position. Personally, take a bridge deal to get you to UFA then cash in.. but he must have a Boras like agent... let him sit.. (Sabres fan.. I'd love him to sit out)
@MikeBartner What has swayman done besides win one playoff series? He doesn't deserve hellebuyck money at all because hellebuyck has two vezinas. That's so fucking stupid
0 respect for Swayman for this. In no world does he get Hellebuyck money without Hellebuyck credentials. I hope he sits out this season. He needs to be humbled.
Hellebuycks contract isn't going to age well, truth be told it wasn't good the moment he signed it. Just the goalie market that off season was ice cold. The cap is going up. Regardless of his skill, his contract won't be the bench mark moving forward. Not once igor shesterkin gets the like 12 Million aav or so his contract is reported to be in the neighborhood of. Which is probably what swaymans agent is holding out on that being announced. With the leverage boston gave swaymans agent by trading ullmark before they had anything near done with swayman, and Igor getting huge bank. It's going to give swaymans agent all the leverage in the world to push for 9-10 million a year. Boston is just using the UFC's tactic of trying to use the fans pressure by painting the one they're negotiating with as the bad guy, to get the fans to pressure them into signing the deal. Which is kind of dirty to be taking the negotiations public.
I don't know why Swayman deserves more. He's never been a starter. You don't even know if he can handle the workload of playing 55+ games. So you're mostly paying him that amount of money for 1 great playoff performance? Way too much uncertainty to pay him more than 8 million.
Bruins management talking shit about sway to the media sure as shit wont help the situation also swayman is younger than the other goalies who have signed 8 year deals recently like saros
Perhaps part of Neely's motivation was to kill off the narrative of the lowball offer floating around. This strategy could backfire, as it might make Swayman even more pissed off than he is already. Maybe they can settle on 8.5 x 7, but Swayman may now want a much shorter term than 7 years. At any rate, B's need to figure out something, and fast (Korpisalo? seriously?)
Cam is not afraid to go into the corners, and he always comes out with the puck. Swayman better brace himself, else he'll get exposed in net, as well. 😆
A repeat of the Nylander situation when he was an RFA, with the same agent of course 😬. Nylander also stated that he found it difficult to get going once he returned, and regretted holding out. If this is a similar situation, it’s gonna be tough for the Bruins this year.
I appreciate Swayman and his agent going to bat to get him paid as its good for the players and sport as a whole, but dude needs to realize that these next few years are by far his best chance to win a cup. Would you rather have an extra couple mil or a cup, thats gotta be the dilemma that gets him to cave.
Idk about being the 6th highest paid goalie all time. All the goalies above him are better. But if the cap goes up to 100 mil during that contract it might be the right % of cap
Also I remember watching a video that showed how signing a goalie to 8 years is too risky. The stats say 3 years max is the ideal goalie contract. I think he shouldn’t expect 8x8 seeing as an 8 year salary derisks his earnings. 8x4 or 9x3 seems more realistic. They say 10% of salary cap should be spent on both goalies and 8 would leave 2 million for a backup with the cap raising but 8 years is way too long.
@JeanJames-ff3wx Well Laine injury is "Very Serious" Which means in which case we can put him on LTIR and trade like a 3rd at next off season for swaymans rfa rights.
Why are you projecting a trade exactly right now? Have you considered one between now and December 1? Have you considered one between now and the end of the season? Rosters change. Players get hurt. Can you tell me which team(s) will require a good goalie between now and then whilst forecasting injuries? If not, then the truth is- you do not know. You only see immediate certainties. Consider possibilities.
trashing their superstars who want to get paid is the Bs way. They did it to Kessel, Seguin, Hamilton, Thornton and now Swayman. the boston media is complicit too.
Kessel was insane much like Swayman Sequin had not finished his entry level contract, they traded him because he fucked Hortons wife Thornton just signed a new contract so that eliminates your silly argument. Hamilton we just couldn't afford his deal. not enough cap space. Prediction, trade incoming
Even the 8 million is a gamble. He has not done it. Will he be worth it if he consistently does it for a couple years? Probably but it is unknown. And that’s bad business
Maybe the $64M is just right for Swayman but I’m guessing that he doesn’t want to commit to playing for a team that will likely be entering a rebuild while he’s in his prime. He knows he can get 8x8 from an ascending team.
The top 3 goalies are just as valuable to their team as MacKinnon is to his. But centers make $12-14 million, and the top goalies are mostly making around $8 million. Goalie pay needs to go up soon.
Not gonna attack sway like some bruins fans in these comments but how do you keep the same agent who's failed getting you a deal in 2 straight offseasons?
You know, at this point I say trade Swayman the Bruins don’t need to build a franchise around him. They can find another goalie and no one expects them to win this year anyway get rid of him and see what they can get for next season.
i like it when swayman screws the bruins but i think its little too much now i feel bad for the fans he should resign with them but hes too damn greedy and trying to put them bankrupty
A lot of this on swayman side is not brutal the arbitration process was on him last year, the franchise just ripped him apart to lower his salary as much as possible
@@sonofthgtrading away multiple players already on the roster just to accommodate one players salary increase by a million or two is beyond selfish The agent is also trash
@@Idkwhattoputhere24-m8v idk why you "love the drama" but that sounds like a personal problem. Go watch Mean Girls, or hang out at your local sorority house so you can gossip
Any order, 1. Igor S. 2. Swayman Swayman, taking anything less than 10 mill. a year is a slap in the face. Example: Like I’d trade Bobrovsky for Swayman and pay Bob’s Salary everything over 8 mill. Plus pay Swayman 10 mill. The Bruins get their 8 mill Goalie.
These players are gonna go out a squeeze every dollar they can out of these franchises as they should, poor performance or injury before getting paid and it’s over the franchise kicks you to the curb. So get paid while you can
Swayman is playing it smart to hold out to get a little more. Of the 146 goalies who have played in the past 3 seasons he ranks 6th in goals saved above expected. Ullmark was one of the few that was ahead of him. Now that he’s gone Korpisalo will be staring. Korpisalo ranks 141st in that same time frame. They are likely gonna feel that difference no matter how well they play in front of him.
swayman to mtl it makes too much sense, mtl has the cap space, we can give back montembeault whos a solid starter and we have other assets like a ton of draft capital. The only thing that doesn't make this happen is if boston is not interested in working with montreal
I definitely think Swayman is worth 10x8. Would I want the Hurricanes to sign him for that? No, not at all. But he's definitely more consistent than Bobrovsky, definitely as good as Hellebyuck and Sarros, and you're not signing him in the middle of his prime. He's going to be better
i think it's the tandem goalie asking for an 8 figure AAV that needs to be humbled. and cbj would be absolutely retarded to give up 2 1sts with where they'll be picking. those could be james hagens and gavin mckenna.
I have no problem with what Cam did. Swayman can go pound sand.
Yeah, neely may not have been very professional.. but that's in 1980... we're in 2024.. not having him killed is professional today.. still, refusing an 8x8 doesn't sound very professional either.. make him the 6ths highest paid with the least credentialed of the top 10. Neely is only making sure everyone knows that Boston is NOT lowballing the guy... he's just pulling a UAW and demanding an obscene increase. I hope we don't see him in 24/25.. let him find out how much he can get with a season off.. and still be an RFA next year.
6th highest paid goalie is not that impressive at the time of signing considering he's pretty easily the best U-28 goalie in the NHL besides maybe Oetter. He needs to be paid close to Hellebuyck considering you're getting his entire prime unlike the Helle, Saros and Sorokin deals.
@@MikeBartner Great.. give him a 1/2mil more and he's the 4th highest.. and the 3 above all have carried their teams to the finals (2 of which have cup rings).. and they all got them as UFA's.. as an RFA... you don't have the best bargaining position. Personally, take a bridge deal to get you to UFA then cash in.. but he must have a Boras like agent... let him sit.. (Sabres fan.. I'd love him to sit out)
@MikeBartner What has swayman done besides win one playoff series? He doesn't deserve hellebuyck money at all because hellebuyck has two vezinas. That's so fucking stupid
@@CameronSpanoshelly is ass playoff choker
He has yet to fully prove himself. Soooo I guess on he goes.
0 respect for Swayman for this. In no world does he get Hellebuyck money without Hellebuyck credentials. I hope he sits out this season. He needs to be humbled.
Hellebuycks contract isn't going to age well, truth be told it wasn't good the moment he signed it. Just the goalie market that off season was ice cold. The cap is going up. Regardless of his skill, his contract won't be the bench mark moving forward. Not once igor shesterkin gets the like 12 Million aav or so his contract is reported to be in the neighborhood of. Which is probably what swaymans agent is holding out on that being announced. With the leverage boston gave swaymans agent by trading ullmark before they had anything near done with swayman, and Igor getting huge bank. It's going to give swaymans agent all the leverage in the world to push for 9-10 million a year. Boston is just using the UFC's tactic of trying to use the fans pressure by painting the one they're negotiating with as the bad guy, to get the fans to pressure them into signing the deal. Which is kind of dirty to be taking the negotiations public.
I think if this is true then I’d say Swayman is asking for a trade and doesn’t want to negotiate with the bruins
Have fun missing the playoffs without him
He deserves 10m according to the market
He was much better than hellebuyck in the playoffs also much younger either bruins pay him what he is worth or miss the playoffs
8 for 8 is great.
For Boston yes, for Swayman he can definitely get more
@@MikeBartnerhe’s not worth more than that though
@@MikeBartnerwhere? Noone offer sheeted him.
Your crazy lmao he deserves 10m
No one is paying him 10 million
At this point it’s nearly like the Bruins are feeling «f#$& it let that crying kid go»
I don't know why Swayman deserves more. He's never been a starter. You don't even know if he can handle the workload of playing 55+ games. So you're mostly paying him that amount of money for 1 great playoff performance? Way too much uncertainty to pay him more than 8 million.
Bro doesn’t know when to use “an” instead of “a”
CHANGED THE THUMBNAIL LMFAOOOO
@@MikeBartner lmao
It's sad you cared enough to write that, and it's even more sad he changed it. Nobody cares.
@patrickgoulet8170 another bro who doesn't know when to use "an" vs "a"
@@patrickgoulet8170 It’s all in good fun. You’re making it more serious than it is. Lighten up.
Market value Swayman is around 8.5-9. My bet is this results in a trade.
Definitely possible at this point
Wings have the assets to make a good offer
name one team who's paid a tandem goalie that much.
Bruins management talking shit about sway to the media sure as shit wont help the situation also swayman is younger than the other goalies who have signed 8 year deals recently like saros
Swayman is also not as good as Saros or Hellebuyck. So it evens out.
@@fernandomora6431 he was alot better than hellebuyck in the playoffs
@@pipoj5 so we're basing his contract on just 2 playoff rounds?
@@wresling300 how about for being elite for 3 years? What choise do the bruins have anyway?
@@pipoj5 what leverage will he have after korpisalo proves he can handle the job I think is the question
Perhaps part of Neely's motivation was to kill off the narrative of the lowball offer floating around. This strategy could backfire, as it might make Swayman even more pissed off than he is already. Maybe they can settle on 8.5 x 7, but Swayman may now want a much shorter term than 7 years. At any rate, B's need to figure out something, and fast (Korpisalo? seriously?)
Cam is not afraid to go into the corners, and he always comes out with the puck. Swayman better brace himself, else he'll get exposed in net, as well. 😆
49 seconds, only 3 likes and no comments mid-day Monday. Get your $hit together dude.😂😅 (10k on the way! 🎉)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Why do we all say paying for potential on young RFAs is always gonna be a steal in a couple years but we dont extend the same to swayman?
Goalies are little more voodoo
It's not just Swayman. It's most goalies.
because goalies are much more unpredictable. Giving a contract based on potential is really risky for a goalie.
Remembered dipietro? Neither does anyone else
How many goalies are consistent year to year? It's a rarity, even for great ones.
A repeat of the Nylander situation when he was an RFA, with the same agent of course 😬. Nylander also stated that he found it difficult to get going once he returned, and regretted holding out. If this is a similar situation, it’s gonna be tough for the Bruins this year.
So he wants Vasy money without being close to Vasy talent. Got it. Yeah take a hike chief
Boston only has like 8.25 in available cap
After signing lindholm and Zadorov. Who have never played a minute for the bruins
If it's not 8.5-9 he's not signing. If Boston wont pay him that, someone else will.
Agreed
let them.
I appreciate Swayman and his agent going to bat to get him paid as its good for the players and sport as a whole, but dude needs to realize that these next few years are by far his best chance to win a cup. Would you rather have an extra couple mil or a cup, thats gotta be the dilemma that gets him to cave.
nah, he's too selfish for that. he'd rather demand money he hasn't earned, and pout when someone won't pay him 50% more than he's worth.
No accomplishments to swaymans name, hasn't even proven himself as the #1 goalie yet,I wouldn't offer more than 4x6
Ngl THAT sounds even steep to me
Whatever did the bruins say last year in arbitration? Add these comments, appears it's going to cost them.
they probably told him he's not worth a 10m AAV. is swayman the new PLDiva?
That comment was planned, and it is to prepare bruin fans to an upcoming trade which I would approve.
Would be interesting.....
Idk about being the 6th highest paid goalie all time. All the goalies above him are better. But if the cap goes up to 100 mil during that contract it might be the right % of cap
Also I remember watching a video that showed how signing a goalie to 8 years is too risky. The stats say 3 years max is the ideal goalie contract. I think he shouldn’t expect 8x8 seeing as an 8 year salary derisks his earnings. 8x4 or 9x3 seems more realistic. They say 10% of salary cap should be spent on both goalies and 8 would leave 2 million for a backup with the cap raising but 8 years is way too long.
Yup it's all about the cap % and the fact that he is younger than other goalies when he signed that deal.
I disagree with you. I actually applaud Neely for his comments. Greedy players need to be called out.
The bruins are entertaining me with their antics
For sure
Just send him to mtl already
HAHAHAHAHA
ya Montreal have the cap space
@@BrianBurgi He'll probably get injured in a practice though
like we have the cap to get him 🙄 unless if we trade dvorak to another team
@JeanJames-ff3wx Well Laine injury is "Very Serious" Which means in which case we can put him on LTIR and trade like a 3rd at next off season for swaymans rfa rights.
Why are you projecting a trade exactly right now? Have you considered one between now and December 1? Have you considered one between now and the end of the season? Rosters change. Players get hurt. Can you tell me which team(s) will require a good goalie between now and then whilst forecasting injuries? If not, then the truth is- you do not know. You only see immediate certainties. Consider possibilities.
Here I am saving every penny for new threads stained with bank logo. Lol
Couldn't they shave off AAV with deferred payments just like Seth Jarvis?
trashing their superstars who want to get paid is the Bs way. They did it to Kessel, Seguin, Hamilton, Thornton and now Swayman. the boston media is complicit too.
The main reason Thornton was traded was because of his hideous playoff performance
Seguin isn’t a superstar
Kessel was insane much like Swayman Sequin had not finished his entry level contract, they traded him because he fucked Hortons wife Thornton just signed a new contract so that eliminates your silly argument. Hamilton we just couldn't afford his deal. not enough cap space. Prediction, trade incoming
only one of those players was ever a superstar in boston.
Even the 8 million is a gamble. He has not done it. Will he be worth it if he consistently does it for a couple years? Probably but it is unknown. And that’s bad business
Maybe the $64M is just right for Swayman but I’m guessing that he doesn’t want to commit to playing for a team that will likely be entering a rebuild while he’s in his prime. He knows he can get 8x8 from an ascending team.
The top 3 goalies are just as valuable to their team as MacKinnon is to his. But centers make $12-14 million, and the top goalies are mostly making around $8 million. Goalie pay needs to go up soon.
He should’ve looked for a bridge deal until he saw Igor’s contract
Also if he gets traded he should switch places with Ullmark I want him back 😭
Not gonna attack sway like some bruins fans in these comments but how do you keep the same agent who's failed getting you a deal in 2 straight offseasons?
You know, at this point I say trade Swayman the Bruins don’t need to build a franchise around him. They can find another goalie and no one expects them to win this year anyway get rid of him and see what they can get for next season.
This is all because of the arbitration case , the bruins came at him hard and screwed up trading ulmark , so now swayman has the leverage
Who is lying Neely or Swaymon's agent who claims this offer never even was made????
You have yellow eyebrows 🎉❤🤗
LMFAOOOOO
i like it when swayman screws the bruins but i think its little too much now i feel bad for the fans he should resign with them but hes too damn greedy and trying to put them bankrupty
Cam did take less all bruins did with Sindin. Cam had to do it because sway did on spitting up on yourself
A lot of this on swayman side is not brutal the arbitration process was on him last year, the franchise just ripped him apart to lower his salary as much as possible
Who cares if it's unprofessional. Like you said in the video, that's a lot of money for someone who hasn't played more than 44 games.
Leafs might be free of playing the bruins in the post season can’t believe this is my life
Dude they had to trade ullmark when they did or had to pay him 1 more million.
Greedman
Swayman’s agent must be looking at this like “I’m not the best person at math but, i know 8 isn’t 10”
And like 70% of Bruins fans look at the 10 and say, "our cap space isn't in the 10's. Bye Swayman 😢"
@@sonofthgtrading away multiple players already on the roster just to accommodate one players salary increase by a million or two is beyond selfish
The agent is also trash
@@sonofthg I’m loving the drama. It’s rare that you see drama like this in the NHL
@@edited1325 i agree
@@Idkwhattoputhere24-m8v idk why you "love the drama" but that sounds like a personal problem. Go watch Mean Girls, or hang out at your local sorority house so you can gossip
They screwed up trading Ullmark
Any order,
1. Igor S. 2. Swayman
Swayman, taking anything less than 10 mill. a year is a slap in the face.
Example:
Like I’d trade Bobrovsky for Swayman and pay Bob’s Salary everything over 8 mill. Plus pay Swayman 10 mill. The Bruins get their 8 mill Goalie.
This is stupid
He’s got the same agent as Torey Krug. Let that sink in.
His agent denies every receiving an 8x8 offer...
5x5 maybe. Anything more is nuts.
More than fair. He needs to fire his agent.
Who was paying to see Kevin Weekes?
They didn’t offer him that.
8x8 is more than fair for swayman. I appreciate him screwing Boston but man he is greedy. Glad he's not on my team
Not really, 8x8.3 is probably the ideal deal for both parties imo.
@@MikeBartner he turned down 8x8
I'm sure his teammates appreciate his talk about setting the goalie market too. Get your ass in camp like everyone else.
These players are gonna go out a squeeze every dollar they can out of these franchises as they should, poor performance or injury before getting paid and it’s over the franchise kicks you to the curb. So get paid while you can
70m for 8yrs
Swayman is playing it smart to hold out to get a little more. Of the 146 goalies who have played in the past 3 seasons he ranks 6th in goals saved above expected. Ullmark was one of the few that was ahead of him. Now that he’s gone Korpisalo will be staring. Korpisalo ranks 141st in that same time frame. They are likely gonna feel that difference no matter how well they play in front of him.
I guess that remains to be seen.
Markstrom for Swayman
Trade him to the Ducks for Gibson and their 2025 first
bruins would want dostal, not gibson
agent says it isn't true
They have 9.5
swayman to mtl it makes too much sense, mtl has the cap space, we can give back montembeault whos a solid starter and we have other assets like a ton of draft capital. The only thing that doesn't make this happen is if boston is not interested in working with montreal
we'd rather wait for fowler than take on that arrogant SOB.
Makes too much sense besides the fact they're rivals!
Not a chance its over 64.
Ohh yeaaaa it will be babyyy big buckero for sway
Since the Canucks and Bruins seem to be swapping rosters, let’s trade Demko for Swayman 😉
injured demko?
@@BrianBurgi there’s your trade off. Demko will be cheaper 😉
@@djardine2520 and better. and van doesn't have the cap space to pay for swayman's exorbitant ask.
@@doaftheloaf notice the wink in my suggestion? 😉
Reimer for Swayman. Even trade. Get 'er done.
I definitely think Swayman is worth 10x8. Would I want the Hurricanes to sign him for that? No, not at all. But he's definitely more consistent than Bobrovsky, definitely as good as Hellebyuck and Sarros, and you're not signing him in the middle of his prime. He's going to be better
What lol😂
based on what? put the weed away. he hasn't even been a starter.
Secure that bag Jeremy!
Agreed so that guys like Oetter can also get a bag next offseason
I hope the Blue Jackets offer sheet him for 10 lol. Swayman knows the Bruins aren't making the playoffs without him. These fans need to be humbled
i think it's the tandem goalie asking for an 8 figure AAV that needs to be humbled. and cbj would be absolutely retarded to give up 2 1sts with where they'll be picking. those could be james hagens and gavin mckenna.