The silicon die is actually harder than the metal in the razor blade so there isn't that much of a concern. As long as you aren't sawing into the silicon it will be relatively safe from scratches and abrasions to clean it off.
very nice result, I'm envious. I've always been keen on trying a direct die cooling mod on my 6700k before I upgrade it, maybe I could actually try hit 4.8ghz stable on this chip on air cooling. I once saw a guy actually lathe down the SILICON itself in order to get closer to the heat source. I think he actually saw some fair temperature reductions too. it was pretty hardcore though because one fraction of a milimetre too far and suddenly you're sanding off ten million transistors per second.
I can tell you're doing fine financially... Your bank account is directly proportional to the force your applying here: 3:26 another hint is the lack of sweat on your hands. I tried (and failed) a delid on my 3770k and I was feeling like I was stabbing my infant daughter
Unlucky dude. Do you know what you did wrong? I delidded a 4th Gen chip and it was relatively easy. No solder to worry about, just regular paste that rubs off with isopropyl alcohol. Considering delidding my 8700k but I dunno if my cooler is good enough for it to be worth it..
@@UncommonS3nse I know exactly what I did wrong. Used my own tools (while sweating and shaking like an idiot). Didn't care to buy any of the useful tools available online because I was really aiming for that sweet "free" performance haha I scraped like a "nanometer" on the side of the CPU, because it shot up like a bullet from the small vice I used. Hit the wall Anyway, my comment about @Optimum Tech 's finances was just a joke. I have no idea. I'm sure it got all those likes because the quality of his videos is really "rich", even more than the expensive pc parts he uses all the time.
I really enjoyed the process of direct die cooling my 9900K. It took time to get the right M3 screw size and tighten down the waterblock perfectly for even pressure (I recommend screwsprings), but the results have been fantastic. Using a Corsair H150i Pro 360 AIO I'm getting 26-29c idle and 45-50c gaming @ 5GHz 1.31v!
@@bikerboy3k Old days? Cheeky bastard! 😂 But yes, the old Athlons did not have an IHS, and our heatsinks fitted directly onto the die. Moreover, there weren't any safety stops, you tightened to what you felt was right. It was terrifying. I remember getting a Voodoo2 and thinking I was the absolute balls. I also had a passively cooled top end graphics card 😂 The first PC I built (with my Dad) ran MS DOS and Windows 95. I can tell you, building a PC today is wonderfully simple, back then it wasn't so easy 👍
@@GtsAntoni1 that sounds badass. I remember seeing a guy on TH-cam with a channel dedicated to building early 00's and late 90s gaming pcs. I'm 30 myself but never built a pc until last year. Only had a P3 with 450mhz proc and 2gb hdd for my 14th birthday, that's it.
@@bikerboy3k Dope, I love retro builds 👍 We're probably about the same age. I think I was just lucky to be introduced to computers young. Now I can't do sport, it's my main hobby once again. Nice thing about it is, the internet makes it very accessible. It's awesome you've built your own rig, nice one. Ever considered a custom loop?
Your production quality just keeps on getting better (if that's even possible). Those videos are such a joy to watch, thank you for your incredibly hard work!!
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Both your narration and presentation are perfect! I actually LEARN something from every one of your videos! The other top tech reviewers throw a lot of "I don't like this, I don't like that", but in the end, give a good/excellent rating, which always leaves me with a "WTF did I just watch then?".
Ali I swear I'm always in dire anticipation whenever I open TH-cam, expecting your videos to pop up. I've seen every single one and what you do, is nothing short of art. All of them being masterpieces. Your videos are the most detailed and the least boring (ahem gamersnexus ahem ) and it makes me wanna keep going on to your next videos. Hope to see more of your work! P.s could you do a crystal 280x build? Big for itx ik but I'm interested in seeing how you'd utilize the space
@J Hemphill Agreed, it's mostly speech. but I've had a change of heart with regards to Gamersnexus. it's been 9 months since I posted this comment, and I quite enjoy his videos now :)
Not to bash on other Tech-tubers but your content in both production quality and subject matter is so much better than some others. There is one in particular that does more "vlogging" than pc content now with his wife and I dont even watch his crap anymore. His and several others seem more like marketing shills now than one for enthusiasts.
awesome undertaking, Not something I’m going to attempt, but I love seeing how far you and others push the hardware. PS you have one of my favorite hardware channels on TH-cam!
When delidding and using LM you need to sand the base of the IHS down by about 0.1mm to allow the underside of the IHS to make proper contact with the die, if you do this you'll easily see 15-20c drops in load temp.
You should be able to get a much lower drop with just the delid and liquid metal. His only dropped like 4 degrees, but when I did it I got about 17 with 8700k although I did use a custom copper IHS but that should only have increased the surface area like 10-15% I think.
Unfortunately, I've been waiting on my Ncore V1 for over 1.5 years now. It would also produce much lower thermals and easily fits in my A4-SFX. Sometimes Kickstarter projects just take too long.
i recommend "dr. delid" over "delid die mate", especially for soldered cpu's - much less stress for the cpu because it uses a rotational delidding method instead of a linear one
I want to have this cool running 9900K with bit more modest clocks like 4,8GHz or something and low voltage and then be able to run it with really low RPM air cooler for maximum silence/performance ratio.
My 8 core Xeon 2288G ( practially speaking the same CPU with ECC support and no overclocking) never get over 71C with a huge heatpipe aircooler running 4,7Ghz all 8 cores 100% for 2 hours using Intel Overclock took stresstest at 160w power. If you are using a good cooler there is no need for undervolting at 4,7 or 4,8Ghz unless the Xeons for some strange reason run much colder ?
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is interesting to know that some older intel processors did use direct die cooling methods.
for anyone afraid to use a razer blade, they do make plastic razer blades for working on car paint you can get at your local Ace hardware among other places
ive liquid metal on x299 the best advice is use the expensive electronic coating you can use an uv light to make sure you have covered it all, also the bottom of the intel heat spreader scrub it till you see copper you will see a huge difference.
that cpu heatsink also distributes the pressure from the cpu cooler to the center of the die and across the cpu pcb, removing it is kinda pointless no big temp difference and the whole pressure will be concentrated in the middle onto the cpu die. Nicely done
i used the Rockit 88 to delid mine. i just put the wedge/block already protruding a bit when i put the two halves of the Rockit 88 together with the cpu inside. this gets the wedge already over the substrate so there's no chance of it hitting the side and ruining the chip. just don't tighten the 88's retaining screws too tight. i then switched the cpu 180 degrees a few times tightening a little more each time. about the fourth time it popped loose. i scraped the solder off with a sharp edge of the plastic "relid" tool that comes with the 88. my solder came off very easy and i touched up the underside of the IHS with some 1000 grit paper. i then used liquid metal to replace the stim and it dropped my max core temps by 10-12 degrees and my average core temps by 6-8 degrees. also, my cores now stay within about 6 degrees of each other. depending on the load, i would see up to 12-15 degrees spread between some cores. the cpu was a poorly binned i9-9900kf heat producing monster... i still plan on working on the IHS a bit more to clean things up a bit and satisfy some ocd tendencies.
Did this with my 9900K a few months ago. Had issues where the PC would occasionally lose all bios settings on boot. Maybe 1 in 5 boots. Ended up being mounting pressure. Tightened everything up and now it's 100%.
Awesome! I'm using an I7-9700K with Hyper 212 Evo Black RGB (stock paste that came with cooler). I run 38°C in min loads and touched 60°C in Cinebench for 15 mins. That cooler fan is a 120mm. Although have absolutely no clocking done to it it's still a 120 that seems to be doing just fine.
EK used to sell a direct die cooling mounting kit for their CPU water blocks, I ran it way back in the day on a 3770k at 5Ghz on dual 360mm rads and temps never broke 50c.
Very well! it's my own mod, but I used Rockit cool direct die KIT. In my case the temperature dropped from 94 ° C to 75 ° C at full load with corsair 360 aio, room temperature 30 ° C Vcore 1.345V.
It is the last one of the old generation of high frequency, low efficiency CPUs. With more softwares opotimized for mult-tread, 5GHz is not required anymore, Ryzen 3000 are doing very good job at about 4.2GHz with stock coolers.
Overclocking on my cartridge style Athlon 550 was physically removing resistors on the PCB and moving them around... Good old days when notorious downloaders in the uni dorm had their coaxial network cards removed. They feared the Philips screwdriver hahaha Or even before that when win 3.1 came on multiple installation disks :) Doing 3DS Max on a 486DX2 with 8 megs of ram was dope! Started on 8 bit and still have my C= and ZX. Today's builds are like feeding you with a silver spoon. My current mini PC with monitor draws some 80 Watts on Premiere export... Will stick with that as I am not gaming other than chess.
I do not suggest you use nail polish or any other compound that easily cracks after drying or is damaged by high temperatures. Electrical tape or liquid electrical tape work fine, I would suggest the liquid.
Seeing you scrape off the sTIM from that CPU had me cringing hard! but so pleased with the results. Seeing this, I'm considering getting the RockitCool Delit & Direct-die kit for my 9900K. Not that it seems to NEED it now that I have it under a custom loop, but to afford me that precious headroom, so that maybe I can keep it at 5GHz with AVX workloads, and/or even enable 5GHz uncore on top of it. Default behavior with my z390 board, enabling MCE, seems to have it go to 5GHz all core normally, 4.8 for AVX stuff, and a 4.3 uncore.
RocketItCool also sells a STIM removal kit that does a great job. It removes the need for a razor. Now the true test, will you be doing this with the 9900K in your Ghost S1?
I must have won the silicone lottery with my 9900k. I got mine to 5.3ghz on 1.34 volts and It hits 74°c. That's with a 360mm EVGA clc no delid. I will be doing a rockitcool IHS replacement and delid next week. I want 5.5ghz 😁
@@MrMagoo-no5lb and thats all core also on avx 2 loads? And do u think I can delid myself 1 once opened my gpu cleaned it and put other paste on it but delidding seems scary. Completely scary to direct die cool it
@@djangojansen7648 For AVX loads, I have an offset and runs at 5.2. I've pushed to 5.4 but wasn't as stable as I'd like. And fear of burning it up prematurely. So, I've never done it before and I watched the videos that Rockit Cool has and followed the instructions their kit came with and had zero issues. Was surprisingly easy actually. Then 2 months in, I decided to go direct die. Just my 9900k die with an EKWB block on top with liquid metal. I just used hot glue on the exposed parts and the whole thing went smooth. Just have to have patience and take your time.
If you want to take it a step further (and know what you are doing) lapping the die can make a big difference on the 9900K. There is additional material used on these cpu's compared to say 8700k for the process of using solder tim.. Asetek type aio's typically have a convex copper plate to ensure the center of the block makes contact with the center of the ihs or die first. This can be troublesome if trying to test direct die without a special frame mount and can make getting a perfect mount far harder. I just lap all of my cooling surfaces for my aio's, custom wc blocks, single stage phase change and my ln2 pots
You can safely use liquid metal to dissolve indium solder. Source, i did that with my 9900k, perfect result. A with a little bit of polish you will get a mirror finish.
Excellent video, did mine a while ago and it is worth it. You can get rid of the solder much easier with quick silver, no effort required and much much safer 😉. Love your content 👍
wait wait wait...back in the day when I had my athlon, the cooler was always directly mounted to the die....why isnt that the case anymore? its annoying that you always have to protect the dumb customers
because direct die cooling is stupid as fuck. see most coolers are not perfectly 100 flat (either not mounted totally flat or slightly uneven surface) so you need to make shure die and cooler and mount are perfectly flat. then you need to make shure the full die is covered perfectly and i mean perfectly in paste. one little corner off and one core might die just for fun. with a heatspreader all that is midigated and less of a problem. this makes much more sense for users and factorys to easily apply cooling on a cpu. also the temp difference is only as you saw 3 C, not much compared to much easy the process. now the real difference here is liquid metal, and you obiviously never worked with that crap. let me tell you this, yesd liquid metal cools a lot better but its not worth it. its a very agressive and wierd to work with material. defently nothing you wanna shove out on mass to customers. defently not you wanna have in your factory production line. also it moves around and it will ruin everything it comes in contact with. its highly corrosive, it eats aluminium alive (litterally you can watch it), it soaks into copper too (you need to reapply several times as it drys out within hours the first time) and everytime you work with it you need to decontaminate the workplace. that shit goes everywhere and it behaves like an alien lifeform (at this point im not convinced it isnt sentient life). i will seek out of coolers mounted sideways or in laptopn (extra barrier recommended) and it will dry out very often if the contact isnt 100% perfectly flat. but yea you will get huge temp drops, but thats nothing you wanna have in the wild on millions of pcs....
@@woswasdenni1914 The liquid metal part you explained was true. However direct die cooling this CPU dropped temps by 16c. Did you not watch the whole video ?
@@woswasdenni1914 I haven't looked at my CPU in a year or two now, it's LM TIM for all that time and temperatures have been very okay. I have a copper base on my AIO and the heatspreader is copper with zinc I believe? Nothing really special happened on all that, I could check out the LM under the HS from when I delided (6600K, so only needed a razor for that) but I honestly can't be bothered. I am really not sure what you are speaking of. I have had little to no bad experiences trying apply LM TIM at all...
I did direct die and had slightly worse temps, the silicon die was not flat, more convex. Maybe I was unlucky, it was better soldered. Solder is more tolerant than liquid metal is of imperfect die and you can't exactly re-solder onto direct die.
I guess mine is kinda "golden chip" then. 5ghz all cores 1.27v stable and i havent even tried the limits of going even lower. Thats without delidding, corsair 115i pro platinum and thermal grizzly conductonaut.
i7 7700k (slight overclock) air cooler on thermal paste: 90 ° C Upgrade: i7 9700k same heatsink, excellent thermal paste: 99 ° C Upgrade: corsair h100x heatsink on liquid metal (No Delid) Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut: 59 ° C !! Maybe in the future I will delid but for now I am more than satisfied!
Considering the big difference it apparently can make, it's a bit strange that they put on these heat spreaders in the first place. As others mention, this is a fairly new deal. I suppose it can feel a bit safer with the thing on, and the die might be somewhat better protected against static discharge this way.
Just yesterday, I was thinking that at some point, CPU makers will start to implement some type of cooling solution directly into the dies. Brave folks like you are the ones that show them how it's done. My thought was that the CPU die would be a watercooled block, but this seems to work well too.
Pro tip: soldered dies use Indium. Liquid metal TIM’s are a Galinstan-like alloys while are Gallium, Indium, and Tin. Buy a little Gallium and add it to the soldered TIM and get them fuse and the barbaric nature of using razor blade to remove solder is replaced with tissue and isopropanol.
If you have a processor like this one- turn up your llc that chip eats voltage and wattage, that's why it runs so hot. Llc will kick in and give it the extra voltage to draw less watts, lowering your temps. Looks like that chip can hit 5.1 or 5.2ghz max under 1.45v and I would not run a high cache overclock. Mid core 9900k at best
Dont forget with direct die that u cant use all coolers! The round cpu blocks.fits like asus ryuo and nzxt. But corsair for example doesnt fit without modifying...it will touch the board
You can still do more, you could lap that die, in fact, the silicon is so much thicker on the 9900k its almost needed to optimize temps. I did it, makes a difference, about 3-4 c. Got my CPU to idle one degree above ambient at 23c, runs an average of 28c, with a max of 45c. Because both the silicon and the copper on my block absorb the LM TIM I had to reapply about 5 times over the next month before the temps stabilized, since then I only have to do a reapplication once a year. SMALL chance that the TIM will penetrate the die due to the removal of the diffusion barrier, and eventually cause the chip to be killed by a short circuit. However, it's unlikely to happen before the end of life on the CPU and it's obsolete anyway. Should get about 3 years out of it at nearly perfectly optimized temps. Running a 5.3 Ghz overclock all-core by the way at 1.35v with the above mentioned temps (Overkill on the rads 2x 480, 1x 360, 2x 240 on a loop sharing a 2080ti with noctua A12x25's on all rads).
Optimum Tech: Uses razor to scrape off thermal compound
Me: *Stress Level 99%*
Well, it is solder, though it can be removed by using the corner of a credit card.
The silicon die is actually harder than the metal in the razor blade so there isn't that much of a concern. As long as you aren't sawing into the silicon it will be relatively safe from scratches and abrasions to clean it off.
Amagys woooosh
@@a.ffirmative What a weird reply. That's really only applicable if you're making a joke with a punchline.
Amagys you may harm the fclga pcb tho
very nice result, I'm envious. I've always been keen on trying a direct die cooling mod on my 6700k before I upgrade it, maybe I could actually try hit 4.8ghz stable on this chip on air cooling. I once saw a guy actually lathe down the SILICON itself in order to get closer to the heat source. I think he actually saw some fair temperature reductions too. it was pretty hardcore though because one fraction of a milimetre too far and suddenly you're sanding off ten million transistors per second.
It's a surprise to see you here.
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@@Noooo23523 OwO
@@meowmeowmeow594 OwO
6700k Delide + métal liquide + noctua nh-d9l (Format pour PC HTPC) = stable à 4,8Ghz 1,4V ou stock 4,2Ghz 1,18V gain - 20°c idle / ~ -35°c 100% OCCT.
I can tell you're doing fine financially...
Your bank account is directly proportional to the force your applying here: 3:26
another hint is the lack of sweat on your hands.
I tried (and failed) a delid on my 3770k and I was feeling like I was stabbing my infant daughter
Unlucky dude. Do you know what you did wrong? I delidded a 4th Gen chip and it was relatively easy. No solder to worry about, just regular paste that rubs off with isopropyl alcohol. Considering delidding my 8700k but I dunno if my cooler is good enough for it to be worth it..
Perhaps a stabbing motion was the wrong technique for delidding...
@@UncommonS3nse I know exactly what I did wrong. Used my own tools (while sweating and shaking like an idiot).
Didn't care to buy any of the useful tools available online because I was really aiming for that sweet "free" performance haha
I scraped like a "nanometer" on the side of the CPU, because it shot up like a bullet from the small vice I used. Hit the wall
Anyway, my comment about @Optimum Tech 's finances was just a joke. I have no idea.
I'm sure it got all those likes because the quality of his videos is really "rich", even more than the expensive pc parts he uses all the time.
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@@UncommonS3nse I am planning on delidding my 4790k what tools did you use?
I really enjoyed the process of direct die cooling my 9900K. It took time to get the right M3 screw size and tighten down the waterblock perfectly for even pressure (I recommend screwsprings), but the results have been fantastic. Using a Corsair H150i Pro 360 AIO I'm getting 26-29c idle and 45-50c gaming @ 5GHz 1.31v!
I remember when direct die cooling was part of building a PC 😂
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really ? was it like this in the old days ?
@@bikerboy3k Old days? Cheeky bastard! 😂
But yes, the old Athlons did not have an IHS, and our heatsinks fitted directly onto the die. Moreover, there weren't any safety stops, you tightened to what you felt was right. It was terrifying.
I remember getting a Voodoo2 and thinking I was the absolute balls. I also had a passively cooled top end graphics card 😂
The first PC I built (with my Dad) ran MS DOS and Windows 95.
I can tell you, building a PC today is wonderfully simple, back then it wasn't so easy 👍
@@GtsAntoni1 that sounds badass. I remember seeing a guy on TH-cam with a channel dedicated to building early 00's and late 90s gaming pcs. I'm 30 myself but never built a pc until last year. Only had a P3 with 450mhz proc and 2gb hdd for my 14th birthday, that's it.
@@bikerboy3k Dope, I love retro builds 👍
We're probably about the same age. I think I was just lucky to be introduced to computers young. Now I can't do sport, it's my main hobby once again.
Nice thing about it is, the internet makes it very accessible. It's awesome you've built your own rig, nice one.
Ever considered a custom loop?
hot dam this was beautiful to watch that thermal drop
This delid was too intense to watch, specially when you scrapped with a razor the die. Nevertheless it is wirth it in some specific cases.
Your production quality just keeps on getting better (if that's even possible). Those videos are such a joy to watch, thank you for your incredibly hard work!!
new logo!! sick
kandyrew oh defo a casual apex player only casual🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thank you man!
intel adding 9s to a k doesnt increase its speed
HIM: Using a razor to scrape off the thermal compound
HIS FINGERS: Ight Imma Head Out
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@@Sero3_ seems right to me
Guys are slacking ;)
@@BeardedHardware omg it's actully you! Huge respect dude.
it's just me. Couldn’t help myself slacker!!!!
imagine this, 20 years later "building a cheap 2019 i9 on 2039! will it last?"
Joaquín Vera Lol nostalgic build
Joaquín Vera more like 2029
This (in 2020) made me realize I’ll be 40 in 20 years. Idk why it never hit me but thanks for the heads up 😔
Both your narration and presentation are perfect! I actually LEARN something from every one of your videos! The other top tech reviewers throw a lot of "I don't like this, I don't like that", but in the end, give a good/excellent rating, which always leaves me with a "WTF did I just watch then?".
Ali I swear I'm always in dire anticipation whenever I open TH-cam, expecting your videos to pop up. I've seen every single one and what you do, is nothing short of art. All of them being masterpieces. Your videos are the most detailed and the least boring (ahem gamersnexus ahem ) and it makes me wanna keep going on to your next videos. Hope to see more of your work!
P.s could you do a crystal 280x build? Big for itx ik but I'm interested in seeing how you'd utilize the space
@J Hemphill Agreed, it's mostly speech. but I've had a change of heart with regards to Gamersnexus. it's been 9 months since I posted this comment, and I quite enjoy his videos now :)
Woof. Every time I even look at one of those box blades my hands just start squirting blood from every finger.
Not to bash on other Tech-tubers but your content in both production quality and subject matter is so much better than some others. There is one in particular that does more "vlogging" than pc content now with his wife and I dont even watch his crap anymore. His and several others seem more like marketing shills now than one for enthusiasts.
WOW.. dont use a blade on the die.. use quicksilver solder remover and polish with flitz..very safe and affordable.
Using a blade is perfectly fine.
@@TheAmmoniacal not for the masses..
@@shaddprice3671 the masses shouldn't even think about delidding and direct die cooling imo, good tip though
awesome undertaking, Not something I’m going to attempt, but I love seeing how far you and others push the hardware. PS you have one of my favorite hardware channels on TH-cam!
sick vid mate!
i was not expecting those results 👌
When delidding and using LM you need to sand the base of the IHS down by about 0.1mm to allow the underside of the IHS to make proper contact with the die, if you do this you'll easily see 15-20c drops in load temp.
Which cpu do u have on your pfp and how would u do that lol.
You should be able to get a much lower drop with just the delid and liquid metal. His only dropped like 4 degrees, but when I did it I got about 17 with 8700k although I did use a custom copper IHS but that should only have increased the surface area like 10-15% I think.
Unfortunately, I've been waiting on my Ncore V1 for over 1.5 years now. It would also produce much lower thermals and easily fits in my A4-SFX.
Sometimes Kickstarter projects just take too long.
i recommend "dr. delid" over "delid die mate", especially for soldered cpu's - much less stress for the cpu because it uses a rotational delidding method instead of a linear one
My stress, anxiety and everything went through the roof when he started scraping off thermal compound with the fucking razer
The title says so ... Insanity lol
My god, the production value of this channel is amazing.
I want to have this cool running 9900K with bit more modest clocks like 4,8GHz or something and low voltage and then be able to run it with really low RPM air cooler for maximum silence/performance ratio.
My 8 core Xeon 2288G ( practially speaking the same CPU with ECC support and no overclocking) never get over 71C with a huge heatpipe aircooler running 4,7Ghz all 8 cores 100% for 2 hours using Intel Overclock took stresstest at 160w power. If you are using a good cooler there is no need for undervolting at 4,7 or 4,8Ghz unless the Xeons for some strange reason run much colder ?
is interesting to know that some older intel processors did use direct die cooling methods.
why not use heat to remove solder?
for anyone afraid to use a razer blade, they do make plastic razer blades for working on car paint you can get at your local Ace hardware among other places
just not sure how well itll work on solder. but its worth a try since they are cheap
ive liquid metal on x299 the best advice is use the expensive electronic coating you can use an uv light to make sure you have covered it all, also the bottom of the intel heat spreader scrub it till you see copper you will see a huge difference.
that cpu heatsink also distributes the pressure from the cpu cooler to the center of the die and across the cpu pcb, removing it is kinda pointless no big temp difference and the whole pressure will be concentrated in the middle onto the cpu die. Nicely done
Dude, great video, and congrats on those results! You have to be happy with that.
i used the Rockit 88 to delid mine. i just put the wedge/block already protruding a bit when i put the two halves of the Rockit 88 together with the cpu inside. this gets the wedge already over the substrate so there's no chance of it hitting the side and ruining the chip. just don't tighten the 88's retaining screws too tight. i then switched the cpu 180 degrees a few times tightening a little more each time. about the fourth time it popped loose. i scraped the solder off with a sharp edge of the plastic "relid" tool that comes with the 88. my solder came off very easy and i touched up the underside of the IHS with some 1000 grit paper. i then used liquid metal to replace the stim and it dropped my max core temps by 10-12 degrees and my average core temps by 6-8 degrees. also, my cores now stay within about 6 degrees of each other. depending on the load, i would see up to 12-15 degrees spread between some cores. the cpu was a poorly binned i9-9900kf heat producing monster... i still plan on working on the IHS a bit more to clean things up a bit and satisfy some ocd tendencies.
Did this with my 9900K a few months ago. Had issues where the PC would occasionally lose all bios settings on boot. Maybe 1 in 5 boots. Ended up being mounting pressure. Tightened everything up and now it's 100%.
I guess I won the silicon lottery, my 9900k runs at 70c with an all core 5ghz overclock at 1.27v with a kraken x52, no delid required.
@@sonacphotos I just did some tweaking and mine is stable at 1.27v I tried 1.25v but it got unstable at that point.
AWESOME! This is why i subscribed :D
there, did u see it. he smiled at the end of the vid!
Wow, what a cool video! I'm super interested in how far this CPU will go now. 5.3 GHz? 360 mm rad? You can get a few videos from this.
Awesome!
I'm using an I7-9700K with Hyper 212 Evo Black RGB (stock paste that came with cooler). I run 38°C in min loads and touched 60°C in Cinebench for 15 mins. That cooler fan is a 120mm. Although have absolutely no clocking done to it it's still a 120 that seems to be doing just fine.
EK used to sell a direct die cooling mounting kit for their CPU water blocks, I ran it way back in the day on a 3770k at 5Ghz on dual 360mm rads and temps never broke 50c.
surrounding the core with thermal pads is what worked best for me for direct die cooling. Aplying them before using Liquid Metal is the best way to go
Very well! it's my own mod, but I used Rockit cool direct die KIT. In my case the temperature dropped from 94 ° C to 75 ° C at full load with corsair 360 aio, room temperature 30 ° C Vcore 1.345V.
I had watercooler block straigh on the die back in the day with 3570k. It run 5 ghz on daily use.
Nice results. I'll definitely be doing this in my next sff build.
Excellent production and video! From footage to charts!
3:40 That is the most intense horror scene I've seen this week...
Ryzen 3900X direct chiplet cooling when?
Please make this man's wish come true!
I would really love this one too
But 3900X is more voltage limit rather than thermal.
spektrumB damn... that would‘ve been so cool...
It is the last one of the old generation of high frequency, low efficiency CPUs. With more softwares opotimized for mult-tread, 5GHz is not required anymore, Ryzen 3000 are doing very good job at about 4.2GHz with stock coolers.
Overclocking on my cartridge style Athlon 550 was physically removing resistors on the PCB and moving them around... Good old days when notorious downloaders in the uni dorm had their coaxial network cards removed. They feared the Philips screwdriver hahaha Or even before that when win 3.1 came on multiple installation disks :) Doing 3DS Max on a 486DX2 with 8 megs of ram was dope! Started on 8 bit and still have my C= and ZX. Today's builds are like feeding you with a silver spoon. My current mini PC with monitor draws some 80 Watts on Premiere export... Will stick with that as I am not gaming other than chess.
I have wondered if this was possible, now thanks to you doing it... It is ! awesome video
I do not suggest you use nail polish or any other compound that easily cracks after drying or is damaged by high temperatures. Electrical tape or liquid electrical tape work fine, I would suggest the liquid.
wow holy moly, didnt expect those results for direct die contact
4:51 if you use thermal paste make sure you use non conductive thermal paste
Seeing you scrape off the sTIM from that CPU had me cringing hard! but so pleased with the results. Seeing this, I'm considering getting the RockitCool Delit & Direct-die kit for my 9900K. Not that it seems to NEED it now that I have it under a custom loop, but to afford me that precious headroom, so that maybe I can keep it at 5GHz with AVX workloads, and/or even enable 5GHz uncore on top of it. Default behavior with my z390 board, enabling MCE, seems to have it go to 5GHz all core normally, 4.8 for AVX stuff, and a 4.3 uncore.
RocketItCool also sells a STIM removal kit that does a great job. It removes the need for a razor. Now the true test, will you be doing this with the 9900K in your Ghost S1?
I rememder deliding my good old Pentium 4b "Northwood" 2.26GHz back in the days. Replugged it a few years ago for fun. Still works
Holy snikeys! That’s a nice drop of the overall heat from the CPU.
Good find there mate and also good PSA at the end. ;)
Cool new logo :D
I must have won the silicone lottery with my 9900k. I got mine to 5.3ghz on 1.34 volts and It hits 74°c. That's with a 360mm EVGA clc no delid. I will be doing a rockitcool IHS replacement and delid next week. I want 5.5ghz 😁
Madman
@@djangojansen7648 holy nostalgia lol. No 5.5 with delid, but 5.4 at 1.37v w/ direct die cooling =) running this chip till it fails.
@@MrMagoo-no5lb and thats all core also on avx 2 loads? And do u think I can delid myself 1 once opened my gpu cleaned it and put other paste on it but delidding seems scary. Completely scary to direct die cool it
@@djangojansen7648 For AVX loads, I have an offset and runs at 5.2. I've pushed to 5.4 but wasn't as stable as I'd like. And fear of burning it up prematurely.
So, I've never done it before and I watched the videos that Rockit Cool has and followed the instructions their kit came with and had zero issues. Was surprisingly easy actually. Then 2 months in, I decided to go direct die. Just my 9900k die with an EKWB block on top with liquid metal. I just used hot glue on the exposed parts and the whole thing went smooth. Just have to have patience and take your time.
Impressive outcome
If you want to take it a step further (and know what you are doing) lapping the die can make a big difference on the 9900K. There is additional material used on these cpu's compared to say 8700k for the process of using solder tim.. Asetek type aio's typically have a convex copper plate to ensure the center of the block makes contact with the center of the ihs or die first. This can be troublesome if trying to test direct die without a special frame mount and can make getting a perfect mount far harder. I just lap all of my cooling surfaces for my aio's, custom wc blocks, single stage phase change and my ln2 pots
You can safely use liquid metal to dissolve indium solder. Source, i did that with my 9900k, perfect result. A with a little bit of polish you will get a mirror finish.
Love your new logo
Awesome video dude. This stuff is next level!
Excellent video, did mine a while ago and it is worth it. You can get rid of the solder much easier with quick silver, no effort required and much much safer 😉. Love your content 👍
very nice demonstration! well done
Direct die cooling O_O? You mean like we did back in 2000? Complete madness I say!
I was thinking the same thing..all my Coppermine S370 PIII's and Celeron's were direct-die/naked. No problems.
wait wait wait...back in the day when I had my athlon, the cooler was always directly mounted to the die....why isnt that the case anymore? its annoying that you always have to protect the dumb customers
because direct die cooling is stupid as fuck.
see most coolers are not perfectly 100 flat (either not mounted totally flat or slightly uneven surface) so you need to make shure die and cooler and mount are perfectly flat.
then you need to make shure the full die is covered perfectly and i mean perfectly in paste. one little corner off and one core might die just for fun.
with a heatspreader all that is midigated and less of a problem.
this makes much more sense for users and factorys to easily apply cooling on a cpu. also the temp difference is only as you saw 3 C, not much compared to much easy the process.
now the real difference here is liquid metal, and you obiviously never worked with that crap.
let me tell you this, yesd liquid metal cools a lot better but its not worth it. its a very agressive and wierd to work with material. defently nothing you wanna shove out on mass to customers. defently not you wanna have in your factory production line. also it moves around and it will ruin everything it comes in contact with.
its highly corrosive, it eats aluminium alive (litterally you can watch it), it soaks into copper too (you need to reapply several times as it drys out within hours the first time)
and everytime you work with it you need to decontaminate the workplace.
that shit goes everywhere and it behaves like an alien lifeform (at this point im not convinced it isnt sentient life). i will seek out of coolers mounted sideways or in laptopn (extra barrier recommended) and it will dry out very often if the contact isnt 100% perfectly flat.
but yea you will get huge temp drops, but thats nothing you wanna have in the wild on millions of pcs....
@@woswasdenni1914 The liquid metal part you explained was true. However direct die cooling this CPU dropped temps by 16c. Did you not watch the whole video ?
@@woswasdenni1914 I haven't looked at my CPU in a year or two now, it's LM TIM for all that time and temperatures have been very okay. I have a copper base on my AIO and the heatspreader is copper with zinc I believe? Nothing really special happened on all that, I could check out the LM under the HS from when I delided (6600K, so only needed a razor for that) but I honestly can't be bothered.
I am really not sure what you are speaking of. I have had little to no bad experiences trying apply LM TIM at all...
Love the content. B-Roll is so awesome in your videos! Love it all!!!
great results. super cool.
High risk high reward holy crap.
I broke my die trying that. 9900k brand new in the trash can
You should heat up the solder when delidding! Helps to take stress of the die.
seeng you removing the thermal interface with that razor was one of the most stressful things ive ever seen.
I did direct die and had slightly worse temps, the silicon die was not flat, more convex. Maybe I was unlucky, it was better soldered. Solder is more tolerant than liquid metal is of imperfect die and you can't exactly re-solder onto direct die.
U can use m3 20 or 25mm male / female screws first so u cant mount the cooler to hard or not nice straight.
How do you create these temperature graphs.?
I guess mine is kinda "golden chip" then. 5ghz all cores 1.27v stable and i havent even tried the limits of going even lower. Thats without delidding, corsair 115i pro platinum and thermal grizzly conductonaut.
i7 7700k (slight overclock) air cooler on thermal paste: 90 ° C
Upgrade: i7 9700k same heatsink, excellent thermal paste: 99 ° C
Upgrade: corsair h100x heatsink on liquid metal (No Delid) Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut: 59 ° C !!
Maybe in the future I will delid but for now I am more than satisfied!
Considering the big difference it apparently can make, it's a bit strange that they put on these heat spreaders in the first place. As others mention, this is a fairly new deal. I suppose it can feel a bit safer with the thing on, and the die might be somewhat better protected against static discharge this way.
After the razor cuts, you should have fully polished surface/
Any update on the next video on the Black Ridge Dan Case CPU Cooler?
I was thinking about upgrading my water pump to get little more out of system but this seems way better solution.
This is amazing. I would've loved to see what the CPU thermals would present had Optimum undervolted while sitting directly on the die.
Whoa. Never even heard of direct die cooling. Very intrigued by this. Got a spare i5 I might try this on.
Optimum Tech is better than LTT for me. accurate information for cooling.
Just yesterday, I was thinking that at some point, CPU makers will start to implement some type of cooling solution directly into the dies. Brave folks like you are the ones that show them how it's done. My thought was that the CPU die would be a watercooled block, but this seems to work well too.
CPUs use to come bare die
It results in cracked dies on people who don't pay attention
The IHS was a tradeoff to protect this
Imagine someone’s eating Pringle’s chips beside you when you are mounting the AIO on the die 😱
Very good video! *:D*
_Is it true that the Intel 9900KF is less hot than the 9900K?_
That was more than i was expecting as well !
As always, excellent!
That's the content i want to see these days!
Pro tip: soldered dies use Indium. Liquid metal TIM’s are a Galinstan-like alloys while are Gallium, Indium, and Tin. Buy a little Gallium and add it to the soldered TIM and get them fuse and the barbaric nature of using razor blade to remove solder is replaced with tissue and isopropanol.
i like the new logo
Thanks!
Love the new logo.
If you have a processor like this one- turn up your llc that chip eats voltage and wattage, that's why it runs so hot. Llc will kick in and give it the extra voltage to draw less watts, lowering your temps. Looks like that chip can hit 5.1 or 5.2ghz max under 1.45v and I would not run a high cache overclock. Mid core 9900k at best
Dont forget with direct die that u cant use all coolers! The round cpu blocks.fits like asus ryuo and nzxt. But corsair for example doesnt fit without modifying...it will touch the board
Woah! That's so cool! I never even considered cooling the CPU through direct die contact. It still needs the liquid metal there though, right?
Yep correct
You can still do more, you could lap that die, in fact, the silicon is so much thicker on the 9900k its almost needed to optimize temps. I did it, makes a difference, about 3-4 c. Got my CPU to idle one degree above ambient at 23c, runs an average of 28c, with a max of 45c. Because both the silicon and the copper on my block absorb the LM TIM I had to reapply about 5 times over the next month before the temps stabilized, since then I only have to do a reapplication once a year.
SMALL chance that the TIM will penetrate the die due to the removal of the diffusion barrier, and eventually cause the chip to be killed by a short circuit. However, it's unlikely to happen before the end of life on the CPU and it's obsolete anyway. Should get about 3 years out of it at nearly perfectly optimized temps. Running a 5.3 Ghz overclock all-core by the way at 1.35v with the above mentioned temps (Overkill on the rads 2x 480, 1x 360, 2x 240 on a loop sharing a 2080ti with noctua A12x25's on all rads).
Did you show removing the second layer to expose the die?