For those who don't know, the instructor pointing his finger repeatedly is the skydiving signal to pull your chute. The instructor is basically saying "pull, pull, pull!"
@@sonar5676 absolutely. as instructors we are taught to pull the student for them if they go below a predetermined "hard deck" altitude, but also that we are to abandon trying to help them below another predetermined "hard deck" altitude. both people lost altitude awareness here.
After a certain point I was thinking, “okay, the ground is looking to be fairly close and coming up fast…better do something here pretty quick.” Relieved to see that no one was hurt or even worse.
Yup, those are nice biplane canopies...When I did my few jumps, we didn't have anything that fancy...just a single main! But then again, my reserve was set to go at 1800'AGL if I was descending too quickly to avoid these low openings. Perhaps the instructor has now changed to a bright colored glove???
thanks for the honest share.. always stay aware . dont completely trust your altimeter check that stuff repeatably on the way up. use clouds or your gut instinct on the way down make notes of your surroundings. wear visible clothing . lots to learn from here. glad everyone was safe
Skydiving is safer than the ride to the dropzone. These guys both had AAd's automatic reserve openers. The computer detects rate of fall and altitude and if it is wrong your reserve comes out. You can be unconscious and still get a chute with a Cypress AAD. A very secure feeling when I was jumping. God I miss that! Blue Skies to all you jumpers!!!
So true, in 5 years skydiving and around 120 jumps I had zero malfunctions and no injuries, but was run off the road twice by careless highway drivers!
Just in case you're wondering, this appears to be a check dive where the "student" lost altitude awareness (or perhaps his altimeter malfunctioned-- in any event the student was also ignoring the instructor's "deploy immediately" signal)) and pulled his hackey well below the designated altitude. The instructor stayed with the student and did not deploy until the last second and both were so low that their AAD's fired as designed (usually when you pass through 800ft or so with a falling speed of >78mph) and both jumpers experienced "two out" deployments. The instructor initially had a "biplane" (one chute in front of the other) that transitioned to a dangerous "downplane" so he cut-away his main chute and flew their reserve down to a safe (but presumably "mad as Hell") landing. The student had a "side-by-side" that he flew down but it looked like it was starting to split into a "downplane" (where the chutes split-apart and you begin to spin like a pin wheel and you'll probably hit the ground very hard/die if you don't cut-away your main canopy) just before he landed (presumably, safely-- at least until the instructor got a hold of him). A good cautionary tale for all jumpers.
what I always wonder, I am not a skydiver, never done it before but I dream of trying it once, over the next 2 years. When there are so many divers in the air how do they manage to pull the chute without somebody else hitting them, you know what I mean? Is there some sort of a sign one shows before pulling the chute or something? Sorry for the stupid question but I have no experience about it. Thanks
Andreas Hoppe it s not a stupid question at all; on fun jumps (ie without an instructor) a "break off" altitude is agreed before the jump; at set altitude, skydivers track away (glide away) from each other for 1000 ft - that gives them enough separation distance to be well clear of each others on opening the parachute - on instructor jumps, such as this one, the student pulls higher than the instructor, who then tracks away or not (depends on the situation) and pulls his parachute either lower than the student or far away - in this specific case they went too low and the AAD (automatic system deploying the reserve (safety) parachute) fired automatically, hence why they had 2 parachutes on opening) - this is not a situation you want to get into as the parachutes may get entangled and then it's a short and quick drop to the ground - basically, the student lost altitude awareness and didn't respond to the instructor's hand signals to pull - hence why they ended so low - they both walked away I assume but student will probably get a bit of a bollocking and his altimeter serviced; he made 2 big mistakes here: jumping with kit that is not in good working order and not paying enough attention to the instructor - as a side note to the people mentioning ground rush above: when you're inexperienced (such as this guy with 30 jumps), it can be very hard to judge altitude from ground rush in a skydive
thanks for this very long and informative answer. And what I also wonder is, when you pull the parachute what does it feel like as you're slowing down?
Andreas Hoppe Great question - In groups, you are taught to fly 180 degrees away from the center of the formation, starting 1,500 feet above the planned parachute deployment altitude. So this gives everyone space when they are in canopy, to avoid collisions.
Lots of people correcting you saying 5 1/2 seconds to impact. But if you think you're going to slow down enough in 2 1/2 seconds you're wrong. This was a scary video and a lot of people can't see that.
Was your instructor wearing the camera? Was he (she) AFF Rated? Cuz I can't see any reason for them to be that far away from you at pull time. All in All I think you were doing a great job! Nice turns excellent leg position. A little stiff but hey... Been there! Anyways you did fine, Just don't ever hesitate to whip it out. And really look over your shoulder hard when you wave off. It's really important, even if no-one was coming out behind you. Stuff happens...
1) The instructor should have the ability to reduce his fall rate to match his student's.In order to reach him and pull for him. (Baggier suit, wings, zero-P suit or just plain skill) 2) The pull signal should be done 3 times max. Assuming you start signaling the student at 4500 feet, (Already giving him 1,000 feet of time to do it on his own) After that, the instructor should pull, which should give the student a clue about what's happening. 3) No instructor should put his own life in jeopardy the way this instructor did.
+froginthegreen ahhhh no. There are 5 companies that manufacture them: Advance Aerospace Designs (Vigil) Airtec (Cypress) Aviacon (Argus) Mars and FXE (I don't remember their models). They ALL call them AAD. Both the USPS and BPA call them AAD in their civil and military references. And myself, after almost 20 years of sport skydiving have never heard anyone call them AOD. But please, if you have a reference of anyone anywhere call them AOD, please enlighten me. I love to learn new things.
+froginthegreen One last thing: The best I could add was writen in the original comment, the AAD reference was jut a correction and I thought it would be funny to add Einstein because you got so mad about it. And it was. ;)
My altimeter got stuck at 7000 on not long after I was off student status. I ended up deploying at 3000, lower than I planned to pull. This wasn't bad but I learned an important lesson. Your vision is your best altimeter. Altimeters, audibles, LEDs, etc.. are there as secondary confirmation devices.
damn, that's really scary. I think the instructor should pull after two unsuccessful attempts of pull signals. The student would realize then and pull himself. Anyway good it end up harmlessly.
My sister did a couple para jumps and I told her it was too dangerous. A para club jumps near her house all the time, and their planes fly over and you can see them parachute down. Only one week later, an expert multi jump man and wife from the club made a jump and on the way down they decided to glide close together so they could talk. Their chutes got tangled and they both were killed.
My sister also did a para jump in Australia with her then partner, I was furious when I found out! Less than a month later, the same plane and pilot took up more jumpers in the same place- plane crashed killing everyone on board. I understand thrill seeking but I’d never do a jump.
@@leeriches8841 You can't be afraid of everything dangerous. As long as you have a decent pilot, plane, and equipment you're fine. And as long as you're not dumb enough to imitate Navy Seals and get all tangled up.
At the end of the video the two had their AAD activate their reserve. This typically happens when the AAD is programmed to open the reserve canopy when you reach an altitude of 1,500 feet or below when falling. Thats why dude was pissed, and thats why at the end the guy in the background of the camera shot had 2 canopies above him.
You're absolutely correct. This jump provides a learning opportunity for the instructor just as much as the student. If your hand signals don't work the second time, then they won't work. The best thing you can do for the student is to fly into their field of view and then pull.
I hope this instructor learnt his lesson after this incident, and that is to track and pull no later than 3000 feet.... He starts pointing (instructing the student to pull) probably at around 3500 feet and keeps doing that for about 12 seconds, burning more than 2000 feet in the process... If the instructor tracks and pulls that is meant to work as a "hint" that the student should do the same.
+Jon Thorvaldsson ...and meanwhile, base bumpers use different gear with faster canopy deployment.... and I might add that the fatality stats for base jumping are... a little less favourable, for the lack of a better word...
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It is an electronic device that will ideally deploy your reserve parachute when you are still in freefall at 750(approx) feet. They had two parachutes out because they deployed their main very low and at 750 feet, when their man was partially inflated, the AAD thought they were still in free fall and cut the closing loop on the reserve container deploying the reserve. The AAD worked correctly, they just took it WAY too low.
Serious mistake 1 - not noticing an altimeter hasn't moved from 10500 during the past 30 seconds, even though the video clearly shows you looking at it at least 3 times. That is not "unknown to me" - you are looking at it in fail mode. If as you say you were "focussed on a broken altimeter", that makes it even more of an error. Serious mistake 2 - not responding to the instructor's multiple signals. Serious mistake 3 - not cutting away your main after the double deployment ; you could have done that safely whether in a downplane (not visible in the video) or the side-by-side. Those canopies could have wrapped around each other at any time and you would not have survived that. So many misjudgements are very worrying - I would recommend trying bowling instead.
+Bob Nemo I also recommend you learn to read, before commenting on 'mistakes' why don't you read his description, he couldn't see the signals. Another inbred thinking he knows it all , no surprise TH-cam is full of mongs like you
+The TH-cambros I KNOW it broke ; that's the whole point of my first comment, which you should re-read. "not noticing an altimeter hasn't moved from 10500 during the past 30 seconds, even though the video clearly shows you looking at it at least 3 times ". All skydivers are taught that their altimeter is a machine and machines can break - so it is a BACK-UP to having altitude awareness. For an experienced jumper to look at their alti several times over a period of 30 seconds, but not recognise that something is wrong when it doesn't change, demonstrates that this person has absolutely no altitude awareness. He knows (or should know) that he's covering 1000 feet every 5 seconds - yet doesn't react when the alti hasn't moved in half a minute ...?? Hence my comment "serious error" and my suggestion to try bowling. I did not make those comments lightly. Like many others who have commented here, politely or less so, I feel that this person should not be jumping at all, for his own safety and more importantly the safety of others around him.
the point of the automatic deploying parachute is that even if u black out, or ur altimeter or rip cord fails, it will deploy in time to stop u from dieing. so with modern gear, its very hard to die in skydiving, unless there is something wrong with your actual canopy, but u can always cut away from that anyway. there are lots of safety measures. its very safe.
I gotta say a bright big deploying parachute from my instructor would be a pretty clear sign to me to PULL and I think he should have done that at 2.5k minimum! Glad you're OK man. At least you scored another few seconds of freefall from that jump ticket! haha. I gotta ask, did you pass recertification? :p
@markra And an instructor that pulls is also taught as the last sight for the student to pull. Not every instructor can/may pull for a student. (might have been a non-AFF rated instructor) But pulling at 3000 or 2500 might have given the student a clear sign, yes.
When you see the other chutes open then that's your que that something is wrong and you need to pull. Not rocket science. I doubt that you didn't know that you were 3 seconds from death. You tell me that you would not know to pull after seeing everyone else pulling their chutes?
Had my USPA license to skydive for several years and made hundreds of jumps at dozens of drop zones. NEVER ONCE did I see anyone else around me deploying their chute when I did solo jumps. If someone is jumping alongside you then YES, you will see them deploy as long as they are still right next to you. If they track away or change altitude, you will NEVER see them as you freefall at 120mph. Everyone on the plane leaves at different intervals and are therefore spread out so they don't open on top of each other. If you watch this video the instructor clearly and correctly waits to pull until the student jumper pulls which was VERY CLOSE to the ground and well beyond the recommended altitude under FAA guidelines. He's correct to say he was 3 seconds from death if he opened at 1000'. The fact that both of his chutes opened is very dangerous and I wouldn't wish it upon anyone. You wouldn't know any of this even though you have 'flown a plane and looked around.'
+Michael Gajewski Thats funny, because if I had $10 for every youtube video of people jumping together out of plane or helicopter, I would have a nice chunk of change. As for not seeing anyone around, well that flies in the face of jumpers at the airport that I used to go to...they would sit around after a jump and make comments of what they say of who pulled and when.
intense man you got close on that one. Although I think you were just having too much fun rather than a altimeter malfunction lol it happens. then you got to fly home on both chutes.
Why is TH-cam full of video's with AFF instructors losing their student and that the student gets the blame? It's the Instructors responsibility to keep the student safe and that includes deployment at a safe altitude.
#1 you are lucky he stayed with you. #2 You owe him the FAA repack of a reserve fee & a case of beer. #3 Thank you for posting this, it brings awareness that is needed in the sport.
Both of you are extremely lucky to be alive. I am not going to preach at you. I think you learnt a valuable lesson from this dive. I'm sure the instructor did too. I think it's great that you uploaded it, because hopefully people will read about your experience with the broken alti and think about what they would do in that circumstance and learn from it now, rather than when it's too late. Scary as-been there done that! Blue skies :)
+slowfaller I believe different models open at different altitudes. Student and Tandem models open at 1000 and 1500 respectively. Pro models open at 750. Or you can buy a switchable unit.
Wow... the ground really tries to reach up grab you when you get down to those last 1500 feet. I have never had the urge to skydive & I don't think I ever will, but enjoy the videos and have respect for the sport. You guys please be careful!
@bhalll1 he lost awareness of what height he was at, and therefore a little electronic device known as an AAD (Automatic Activation Device) fired, deploying his reserve parachute for him. These devices are wonderful pieces of electronic equipment used to save us skydivers if we lose awareness of altitude, but are not to be dependent upon. He would have died if not for this device. Seen one fire myself just recently. In simpler terms - he's lucky to be alive.
I am a skydiver and I developed altitude awareness on my first jump. I could tell how I was. This guy does not belong in the sky, what an idiot. Unprofessional. Lucky the AAD fired. My instructor has this saying: "You're okay as long as people and cars look like ants, but when ants start looking like ants, you didn't pull in time."
I agree about the epic failure on the instructors part. We should have talked about this in class. Stuff breaks? What do I do? Don't stare at the altimeter in disbelief just go ahead and pull. Goggles, same deal. Pull. Bad case of gas. Pull. Left your keys in the car. Pull! Forgot to have lunch. PULL! And your student can't see your finger from 65 feet away. Was this guy an AFF Jumpmaster? I had to damn near land a fricken space shuttle to get my rating!
so if one canopy fails to open properly or malfunctions you have a back up. their AAD's fired at the set altitude for the devices and deployed the reserve canopy when they deployed their main canopy. its good to know you have working equipment
david Mcintyre ,if you open your chute to late you dont have any time over for your reserve so its or a good opening or a hard landing ,you can also be safe and just pull at 4000 ft or something !
They were pulling so low that the automatic opener went off. This caused the men to be hanging under 2 parachutes, main chute as well as reserve, which is dangerous because the wingload pers canopy is low which can cause the canopy to not fly stable or collapse.
Looks like the instructor pulled his reserve to the left, then the main to the right, in order to separate them for a clean cutaway... I've never thought of that.
@mechaspark1 but Amy isn't American, she's Australian, therefore it's appropriate that she speaks British English, a language similar to American English, but in which "learnt" is quite correct and "learned" is often used as an adjective to describe one who is wise or educated, as in; "my learned friend, the Professor"
Gah, ya that's what I meant. Does the AAD still go if main is pulled too late. I didn't know how exactly the AAD worked. I thought it just scents your altitude and pulled the reserve at whatever you set it at.
@WhoDaresWins1189 I heard of a stuntman once, that jumped off a running train. He landed on his feet. And he was still standing when the crew found him, but had become a dwarf. His leg bones was gone through his shoes and into the ground like two tent pegs. I like to see that with a jump from an aeroplane ...
Regardless of if the student doesn't pull his chute, if the instructor could not get to the student to pull the chute, I don't think the instructor should have let his AAD fire. He should have deployed well before that and the student would see this and deploy his chute... ALSO does anyone know if he cutaway his main after they were both open?>
@waysav you don't really need to be altitude aware unless you're parachuting solo. You could go for your first time and not be altitude aware because you're probably going to do tandem. Pretty much frequent, trained, or pro skydivers should be FULLY altitude aware
The jumpmaster pulled his reserve as is the right thing to do. He also stayed with his student till the last possilble moment. That's the kind of instructor I would want teaching my loved ones.
I don't know jack about skydiving. (just the basics from good old point break.) However, am I right in saying that, at that altitude that guy would have had no way near enough time to cut away his main and open his reserve had the main failed???
you lucky duck, at that point wouldnt it have been safer just to pull your reserve? and leave your main in the container you know just let the AAD do its thing ? im not to familiar with what i should do in a bi or down plane situation, the only malfuntion i ever had to deal with was a hung up slider :P
Crazy thing is the student kept checking altitude, or so it seems, what was he looking at? Still, if your alti is broken, pull high, it's not as if there were tons of people in the sky and the ground rush below 2500 is so intense you can't logically ignore it. Kudos for publishing an embarrassing video, but this whole thing baffles me. Maybe reexamine your place in the sport, some people aren't wired for extreme sports. Major props to the instructor, I would have pulled by 2k and he should have, had he pulled you would have followed suit.
Correct, but to put the counter argument if the student does not react correctly they are dead (potentially) and in this case the student was turning etc, in the second or two between pulls they may have missed it and then they're further distracted, but I agree if he's watching then deployment is a great signal that you're getting low.
If your altimeter is 10,500 feet when you look at it and 10 seconds later it still reads 10,500 feet, that should be a clue. Or, if you can see cracks in concrete, that a really big clue. I'm glad it worked out for you.
What is great about your comment is that your right and your not a skydiver and you know this, the correct proceedure for an instructor is to pull his own chute to signal the student. I also do not understand how you didnt realize your altimeter was not moving for the last 45 seconds? On the bright side you both lived, and both of your AAD's had the cutter installed, fired & the loop routed correctly, I haven't seen that much nylon out since the tent sale @ bass pro shops, kudos to your rigger!
Got myself into a similar situation years ago. Couldn't manage to get stable and tumbled over and over toward the ground. Luckily my jump master came to my rescue and pulled my chute for me. I haven't jumped since.
i assume the instructor had to stay with him, bcause if he would have pulled his first, he would have been very far away from the other guy withing seconds. so he decided to stay with him and wait for the emergency chute to open. luckily he figured it out before that.
Yeah it looks like he has two stable sideplane and then grabs both right risers on the main to dump it out of the way and cuts. Super smooth though huh?
as a former skydiving jumpmaster... I have had a few students go lower than they should but never like this.. and I would have NEVER taken it this LOW to hang with the student.. my job ends at 2,500 feet and the students A.A.D. then needs to take over. a student seeing me deploy should let him know he needs to do something fast.. 2 double deployments on the same load?? that has to be a case of beer.. is this jump at Longmont?
@Wadeifer Hey there, I had the same problem at the beginning. You're probably dropping a knee. After you're 360, click your heels together. It helped me, but everyone's different. Blue skys bro.
I don't know but why was there a truck with a trailer on the drop zone and why did someone not ask that question! Because safety was not a high priory that day, at least the man has a great lawsuit
The instructor is there to make sure the chute deploys. For all he knew there could have been a malfunction, he obviously didn't know the other guys altimeter was broken. He most likely would have gone over there an deployed it himself if any more time passed.
Military jumps are static line and usually under rounds... The canopies function much differently in civilian skydiving....because we reach terminal velocity on our jumps our canopies open more slowly so we don't get slammed going from 120+mph to 0..... Therefore initiating a deployment at 1000ft while at terminal velocity is phenomenally more dangerous then an initial exit from 1k in the military.... Not to see static line military jumps aren't dangerous but again your applying one line of thinking to a different type of skydiving so it's not applicable.... In reality this dude is lucky as hell especially since in addition to pulling dirty low he also had his reserve canopy deploy at the same time as his main which could have caused an entanglement
I was watching the video and thinking the same thing? Would have been like, well if he's deployed maybe I should too? Also, that looked quite a bit lower than 850 purely because of the time taken to hit the floor? I don't know, I only jump on a large para not a sports, so maybe you fall faster with those?
The title is exactly right. Note that the chute ride down was just 30 seconds at 10mph. Freefall is 120mph. This equates to 3 seconds to ground at freefall speed from point of deployment.
It happens to the best. He was concentrating on other things as well. Too bad he wasn't taught to cut away from a two out. What? You have never made a mistake in this sport?
At 1.53 is that another jumper to be seen for a split second disappearing at the left hand edge of the screen without their chute fully deployed . . I want to see that video!
This happens in a lot of different ways. People have too much faith in the machine and we'll just drive right off the end of the road if the GPS shows the road continues. We have a correction road. It's in the middle of the county and it has a lot of offset t-intersections by 50 ft old people don't wreck there very often but young people are looking at the GPS and think that the road must go straight since their version of it goes straight. If you're flying and the instruments tell you one thing and you think another sometimes it will kill you to believe in yourself but sometimes you better just pull the ripcord no matter what the altimeter says.
@mechaspark1 Where I am coming from: Australians speak British English, therefore its correct for us to use 'learnt' and "spelt", "centre", "criticise", "colour" etc. It might not be correct for a US educated person, but it is quite correct for us. Consider your comment that anyone who wants to speak English properly must use American English... Doesn't the fact that you refer to it as "American English" suggest that it might contain differences to other forms of English?
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For those who don't know, the instructor pointing his finger repeatedly is the skydiving signal to pull your chute. The instructor is basically saying "pull, pull, pull!"
And when that is ignored, deploying yourself before an AAD fire is the best decision.
@@sonar5676 absolutely. as instructors we are taught to pull the student for them if they go below a predetermined "hard deck" altitude, but also that we are to abandon trying to help them below another predetermined "hard deck" altitude. both people lost altitude awareness here.
@@error.418 AFFIE, SLIE, IADIE, TandemIE
@@sonar5676 Hah, all us instructors showed up
Retrain instructor
I was given the instruction: If you are looking UP at the top of the mountain, it's time to pull.
What if the mountain is mount Everest?
@@TheFireGoose त्यसपछि तपाईं भाग्य बाहिर हुनुहुन्छ
@@TheFireGoose then it would be a very cold parachute ride until you die from lack of oxygen.
After a certain point I was thinking, “okay, the ground is looking to be fairly close and coming up fast…better do something here pretty quick.” Relieved to see that no one was hurt or even worse.
Yup, those are nice biplane canopies...When I did my few jumps, we didn't have anything that fancy...just a single main! But then again, my reserve was set to go at 1800'AGL if I was descending too quickly to avoid these low openings. Perhaps the instructor has now changed to a bright colored glove???
thanks for the honest share.. always stay aware . dont completely trust your altimeter check that stuff repeatably on the way up. use clouds or your gut instinct on the way down make notes of your surroundings. wear visible clothing . lots to learn from here. glad everyone was safe
Skydiving is safer than the ride to the dropzone. These guys both had AAd's automatic reserve openers. The computer detects rate of fall and altitude and if it is wrong your reserve comes out. You can be unconscious and still get a chute with a Cypress AAD. A very secure feeling when I was jumping. God I miss that! Blue Skies to all you jumpers!!!
So true, in 5 years skydiving and around 120 jumps I had zero malfunctions and no injuries, but was run off the road twice by careless highway drivers!
Had to give up jumping and sell my gear shortly after 9 11. I still miss jumping, but the commodity. D7466
Everything is safer than jumping out of a plane... :D
@codingvio7383 Yea, right. Try playing with black mamba or climbing on an 2000 pound bull and trying to stay on for eight seconds.
Its not safer. Especially for those that don't have a lot of experience (AFF, A lic) and those that jump frequently (usually C and D lic).
Just in case you're wondering, this appears to be a check dive where the "student" lost altitude awareness (or perhaps his altimeter malfunctioned-- in any event the student was also ignoring the instructor's "deploy immediately" signal)) and pulled his hackey well below the designated altitude. The instructor stayed with the student and did not deploy until the last second and both were so low that their AAD's fired as designed (usually when you pass through 800ft or so with a falling speed of >78mph) and both jumpers experienced "two out" deployments. The instructor initially had a "biplane" (one chute in front of the other) that transitioned to a dangerous "downplane" so he cut-away his main chute and flew their reserve down to a safe (but presumably "mad as Hell") landing. The student had a "side-by-side" that he flew down but it looked like it was starting to split into a "downplane" (where the chutes split-apart and you begin to spin like a pin wheel and you'll probably hit the ground very hard/die if you don't cut-away your main canopy) just before he landed (presumably, safely-- at least until the instructor got a hold of him). A good cautionary tale for all jumpers.
The student made a bad mistake, the instructor how ever is dead set fucking crazy to follow that guy till cypress lol crazy fuck, I like him!
HAHAHAHA i know right he didn't pull his parachute either! crazy ass dude
+AdventuresOnEarth Guys.. Read description of the video..
Instructor's altimeter failed too? I'm teaching my students, if I pull then you forgot to pull and pull immediately.
what I always wonder, I am not a skydiver, never done it before but I dream of trying it once, over the next 2 years. When there are so many divers in the air how do they manage to pull the chute without somebody else hitting them, you know what I mean? Is there some sort of a sign one shows before pulling the chute or something? Sorry for the stupid question but I have no experience about it. Thanks
Andreas Hoppe it s not a stupid question at all; on fun jumps (ie without an instructor) a "break off" altitude is agreed before the jump; at set altitude, skydivers track away (glide away) from each other for 1000 ft - that gives them enough separation distance to be well clear of each others on opening the parachute - on instructor jumps, such as this one, the student pulls higher than the instructor, who then tracks away or not (depends on the situation) and pulls his parachute either lower than the student or far away - in this specific case they went too low and the AAD (automatic system deploying the reserve (safety) parachute) fired automatically, hence why they had 2 parachutes on opening) - this is not a situation you want to get into as the parachutes may get entangled and then it's a short and quick drop to the ground - basically, the student lost altitude awareness and didn't respond to the instructor's hand signals to pull - hence why they ended so low - they both walked away I assume but student will probably get a bit of a bollocking and his altimeter serviced; he made 2 big mistakes here: jumping with kit that is not in good working order and not paying enough attention to the instructor - as a side note to the people mentioning ground rush above: when you're inexperienced (such as this guy with 30 jumps), it can be very hard to judge altitude from ground rush in a skydive
thanks for this very long and informative answer. And what I also wonder is, when you pull the parachute what does it feel like as you're slowing down?
Andreas Hoppe Great question - In groups, you are taught to fly 180 degrees away from the center of the formation, starting 1,500 feet above the planned parachute deployment altitude. So this gives everyone space when they are in canopy, to avoid collisions.
Thank you all for your kindness and informative answers.
As an instructor, I would have pop my main, that would send a clear signal to the student.Pointless to risk 2 lives
Lots of people correcting you saying 5 1/2 seconds to impact. But if you think you're going to slow down enough in 2 1/2 seconds you're wrong. This was a scary video and a lot of people can't see that.
Was your instructor wearing the camera? Was he (she) AFF Rated? Cuz I can't see any reason for them to be that far away from you at pull time. All in All I think you were doing a great job! Nice turns excellent leg position. A little stiff but hey... Been there! Anyways you did fine, Just don't ever hesitate to whip it out. And really look over your shoulder hard when you wave off. It's really important, even if no-one was coming out behind you. Stuff happens...
When you feel the ground, it's too late to open.
+Growler6t6 or you hit the ground and your parachute opens
+Growler6t6 Oh, don't worry, you won't even feel the ground.
+LuRcH ha
lol
And that is why I hate people who say, “it is never too late to _____”. They are always the ones who believe in God or Gods and the afterlife.
1) The instructor should have the ability to reduce his fall rate to match his student's.In order to reach him and pull for him. (Baggier suit, wings, zero-P suit or just plain skill)
2) The pull signal should be done 3 times max. Assuming you start signaling the student at 4500 feet, (Already giving him 1,000 feet of time to do it on his own) After that, the instructor should pull, which should give the student a clue about what's happening.
3) No instructor should put his own life in jeopardy the way this instructor did.
+froginthegreen ahhhh no. There are 5 companies that manufacture them: Advance Aerospace Designs (Vigil) Airtec (Cypress) Aviacon (Argus) Mars and FXE (I don't remember their models).
They ALL call them AAD. Both the USPS and BPA call them AAD in their civil and military references. And myself, after almost 20 years of sport skydiving have never heard anyone call them AOD. But please, if you have a reference of anyone anywhere call them AOD, please enlighten me. I love to learn new things.
+froginthegreen Correction: FXC
+froginthegreen One last thing: The best I could add was writen in the original comment, the AAD reference was jut a correction and I thought it would be funny to add Einstein because you got so mad about it. And it was. ;)
My altimeter got stuck at 7000 on not long after I was off student status. I ended up deploying at 3000, lower than I planned to pull. This wasn't bad but I learned an important lesson. Your vision is your best altimeter. Altimeters, audibles, LEDs, etc.. are there as secondary confirmation devices.
That was an expensive AFF jump
That's correct. Just remember to bend your kneed when you hit the ground and you'll be fine.
in gta i open my para in 2 seconds
@SandyJayAgingerguy looks like he gave it a hard turn(on purpose) to put it in to a side by side so he could cut it away
damn, that's really scary. I think the instructor should pull after two unsuccessful attempts of pull signals. The student would realize then and pull himself. Anyway good it end up harmlessly.
My sister did a couple para jumps and I told her it was too dangerous. A para club jumps near her house all the time, and their planes fly over and you can see them parachute down. Only one week later, an expert multi jump man and wife from the club made a jump and on the way down they decided to glide close together so they could talk. Their chutes got tangled and they both were killed.
Not much of an expert
My sister also did a para jump in Australia with her then partner, I was furious when I found out! Less than a month later, the same plane and pilot took up more jumpers in the same place- plane crashed killing everyone on board. I understand thrill seeking but I’d never do a jump.
@@leeriches8841 You can't be afraid of everything dangerous. As long as you have a decent pilot, plane, and equipment you're fine. And as long as you're not dumb enough to imitate Navy Seals and get all tangled up.
Can someone please explain what the problem was
descriptoin is there for a reason.
K Karen E Lol
At the end of the video the two had their AAD activate their reserve. This typically happens when the AAD is programmed to open the reserve canopy when you reach an altitude of 1,500 feet or below when falling. Thats why dude was pissed, and thats why at the end the guy in the background of the camera shot had 2 canopies above him.
David McIntyre The problem is simple: Skydiving is not for everyone.
learjetjunki Neither is instructing either. Coach should have tracked and pulled long ago.
Having the AAD fire when the main is coming out must be frightening. Luckily they both came out clear of each other.
You're absolutely correct. This jump provides a learning opportunity for the instructor just as much as the student. If your hand signals don't work the second time, then they won't work. The best thing you can do for the student is to fly into their field of view and then pull.
I hope this instructor learnt his lesson after this incident, and that is to track and pull no later than 3000 feet.... He starts pointing (instructing the student to pull) probably at around 3500 feet and keeps doing that for about 12 seconds, burning more than 2000 feet in the process... If the instructor tracks and pulls that is meant to work as a "hint" that the student should do the same.
Meanwhile base jumpers routinely open at a tenth of this height.
+Julia Deans meanwhile base jumpers routinely fall at speeds lower than terminal velocity
+Jon Thorvaldsson ...and meanwhile, base bumpers use different gear with faster canopy deployment.... and I might add that the fatality stats for base jumping are... a little less favourable, for the lack of a better word...
hello... i was stupid enough to leave my youtube account open at a friends house... also i smell.
comment and thumbs this up so it will come up in my notifications and the original owner of this account will see
Ok I liked
You fucked up man
thanks everyone for letting me know, but i know now so stop liking this, and talk about the video, please go away
Time Travling Gamer
I will try to make it a point to send you a comment at least once a week on here
Time Travling Gamer Why didnt you time travel to go back before you left youtube on at a friends place?
It is an electronic device that will ideally deploy your reserve parachute when you are still in freefall at 750(approx) feet. They had two parachutes out because they deployed their main very low and at 750 feet, when their man was partially inflated, the AAD thought they were still in free fall and cut the closing loop on the reserve container deploying the reserve. The AAD worked correctly, they just took it WAY too low.
Didn't the instructor have a "hard-deck"?
Yes, but it seems to be optional.
GraphixGuru96, that's not a jumper, that's the reserve bag and pilot chute, they are not attached to the canopy.
Serious mistake 1 - not noticing an altimeter hasn't moved from 10500 during the past 30 seconds, even though the video clearly shows you looking at it at least 3 times. That is not "unknown to me" - you are looking at it in fail mode. If as you say you were "focussed on a broken altimeter", that makes it even more of an error. Serious mistake 2 - not responding to the instructor's multiple signals. Serious mistake 3 - not cutting away your main after the double deployment ; you could have done that safely whether in a downplane (not visible in the video) or the side-by-side. Those canopies could have wrapped around each other at any time and you would not have survived that.
So many misjudgements are very worrying - I would recommend trying bowling instead.
+Bob Nemo I also recommend you learn to read, before commenting on 'mistakes' why don't you read his description, he couldn't see the signals.
Another inbred thinking he knows it all , no surprise TH-cam is full of mongs like you
+Bob Nemo his altimeter broke
+The TH-cambros
I KNOW it broke ; that's the whole point of my first comment, which you should re-read. "not noticing an altimeter hasn't moved from 10500 during the past 30 seconds, even though the video clearly shows you looking at it at least 3 times ".
All skydivers are taught that their altimeter is a machine and machines can break - so it is a BACK-UP to having altitude awareness. For an experienced jumper to look at their alti several times over a period of 30 seconds, but not recognise that something is wrong when it doesn't change, demonstrates that this person has absolutely no altitude awareness. He knows (or should know) that he's covering 1000 feet every 5 seconds - yet doesn't react when the alti hasn't moved in half a minute ...??
Hence my comment "serious error" and my suggestion to try bowling. I did not make those comments lightly. Like many others who have commented here, politely or less so, I feel that this person should not be jumping at all, for his own safety and more importantly the safety of others around him.
if pull it at 1000 feet
What dz was this at? Nice scenery!
I think there was one pretty simple way for the Instructor to indicate pull time, just track away. Thanks for sharing!
lmao yes that's so true
There’s even simpler one: as an instructor, just to pull your own chute.
the point of the automatic deploying parachute is that even if u black out, or ur altimeter or rip cord fails, it will deploy in time to stop u from dieing. so with modern gear, its very hard to die in skydiving, unless there is something wrong with your actual canopy, but u can always cut away from that anyway. there are lots of safety measures. its very safe.
I gotta say a bright big deploying parachute from my instructor would be a pretty clear sign to me to PULL and I think he should have done that at 2.5k minimum! Glad you're OK man. At least you scored another few seconds of freefall from that jump ticket! haha. I gotta ask, did you pass recertification? :p
Doesn't that hurt your feet when you contact the ground?
Shame you didn't notice the ground coming up at you at the speed of terminal velocity.
LOL
Glad you landed okay.
@markra And an instructor that pulls is also taught as the last sight for the student to pull. Not every instructor can/may pull for a student. (might have been a non-AFF rated instructor)
But pulling at 3000 or 2500 might have given the student a clear sign, yes.
When you see the other chutes open then that's your que that something is wrong and you need to pull. Not rocket science. I doubt that you didn't know that you were 3 seconds from death. You tell me that you would not know to pull after seeing everyone else pulling their chutes?
+David Salt Says the guy who has NEVER jumped before.
+Michael Gajewski You are right, but I have flown a plane and I look around. Did you?
Had my USPA license to skydive for several years and made hundreds of jumps at dozens of drop zones. NEVER ONCE did I see anyone else around me deploying their chute when I did solo jumps. If someone is jumping alongside you then YES, you will see them deploy as long as they are still right next to you. If they track away or change altitude, you will NEVER see them as you freefall at 120mph. Everyone on the plane leaves at different intervals and are therefore spread out so they don't open on top of each other.
If you watch this video the instructor clearly and correctly waits to pull until the student jumper pulls which was VERY CLOSE to the ground and well beyond the recommended altitude under FAA guidelines. He's correct to say he was 3 seconds from death if he opened at 1000'. The fact that both of his chutes opened is very dangerous and I wouldn't wish it upon anyone. You wouldn't know any of this even though you have 'flown a plane and looked around.'
+Michael Gajewski Thats funny, because if I had $10 for every youtube video of people jumping together out of plane or helicopter, I would have a nice chunk of change. As for not seeing anyone around, well that flies in the face of jumpers at the airport that I used to go to...they would sit around after a jump and make comments of what they say of who pulled and when.
+Mark Allwood Ok, so he's got a massive tool. I'm sure is Wife is happy.
Mistakes that dont kill us...are called lessons or experience !
Some important lessons here.
intense man you got close on that one. Although I think you were just having too much fun rather than a altimeter malfunction lol it happens. then you got to fly home on both chutes.
Why is TH-cam full of video's with AFF instructors losing their student and that the student gets the blame? It's the Instructors responsibility to keep the student safe and that includes deployment at a safe altitude.
i dont jump an auto puller because i like to pull low. anything higher than 500 feet is for beginners.
+Greg Spencer dude you clearly dont jump. we pull at 500 all the time. when you grow some balls and actually come jump then you can talk.
+tripletrash nope don't jump, must be someone else in all my youtube videos......whuffo
+tripletrash rofl....i don't jump lol....guess you haven't seen my youtube page...take that 500ft bullshit somewhere else whuffo
+Greg Spencer no one cares that you stole a bunch of videos and made a youtube. we base jump from helecopters at 25,000 feet dude. real shit
+tripletrash a skydiving canopy takes more than 500ft to open at terminal
#1 you are lucky he stayed with you.
#2 You owe him the FAA repack of a reserve fee & a case of beer.
#3 Thank you for posting this, it brings awareness that is needed in the sport.
Staying with him did not help any. The instructor should have dumped at 3000...or 2500 minimum.
You don't owe him for #2. That was his own stupid fault.
Both of you are extremely lucky to be alive. I am not going to preach at you. I think you learnt a valuable lesson from this dive. I'm sure the instructor did too. I think it's great that you uploaded it, because hopefully people will read about your experience with the broken alti and think about what they would do in that circumstance and learn from it now, rather than when it's too late. Scary as-been there done that! Blue skies :)
well probably more like 5 seconds from death if your Cypres fired at 1000ft?
Steven Lewis Correct, oh wise one! At "terminal" the average jumper would fall approximately 900 feet in 5 seconds, give or take. B-6370 PCA & USPA
Michael Donavon I thought cypres fired at 750 ft
+slowfaller I believe different models open at different altitudes. Student and Tandem models open at 1000 and 1500 respectively. Pro models open at 750. Or you can buy a switchable unit.
Yep, at terminal, 1,000'AGL, you have right at 5 seconds before impact. B-6370
Wow... the ground really tries to reach up grab you when you get down to those last 1500 feet. I have never had the urge to skydive & I don't think I ever will, but enjoy the videos and have respect for the sport. You guys please be careful!
@bhalll1 he lost awareness of what height he was at, and therefore a little electronic device known as an AAD (Automatic Activation Device) fired, deploying his reserve parachute for him. These devices are wonderful pieces of electronic equipment used to save us skydivers if we lose awareness of altitude, but are not to be dependent upon. He would have died if not for this device. Seen one fire myself just recently. In simpler terms - he's lucky to be alive.
Glad you made it. Your video doesn't really translate the terror very well though...
Beautiful area with the mountains. What drop zone is this filmed at?
I am a skydiver and I developed altitude awareness on my first jump. I could tell how I was.
This guy does not belong in the sky, what an idiot. Unprofessional. Lucky the AAD fired. My instructor has this saying:
"You're okay as long as people and cars look like ants, but when ants start looking like ants, you didn't pull in time."
Read the description
+CHICKEN SALAD someone needs a nap
Smurfalicious Gaming fuck u
+CHICKEN SALAD alright buddy
+CHICKEN SALAD DO IT NOW! I SAID DO IT!! NOW!
I agree about the epic failure on the instructors part. We should have talked about this in class. Stuff breaks? What do I do? Don't stare at the altimeter in disbelief just go ahead and pull. Goggles, same deal. Pull. Bad case of gas. Pull. Left your keys in the car. Pull! Forgot to have lunch. PULL! And your student can't see your finger from 65 feet away. Was this guy an AFF Jumpmaster? I had to damn near land a fricken space shuttle to get my rating!
so if one canopy fails to open properly or malfunctions you have a back up. their AAD's fired at the set altitude for the devices and deployed the reserve canopy when they deployed their main canopy. its good to know you have working equipment
Um, so if you experience a problem like that, it's perfectly OK to deploy early.
Just saying.
david Mcintyre ,if you open your chute to late you dont have any time over for your reserve so its or a good opening or a hard landing ,you can also be safe and just pull at 4000 ft or something !
They were pulling so low that the automatic opener went off. This caused the men to be hanging under 2 parachutes, main chute as well as reserve, which is dangerous because the wingload pers canopy is low which can cause the canopy to not fly stable or collapse.
Looks like the instructor pulled his reserve to the left, then the main to the right, in order to separate them for a clean cutaway...
I've never thought of that.
@mechaspark1 but Amy isn't American, she's Australian, therefore it's appropriate that she speaks British English, a language similar to American English, but in which "learnt" is quite correct and "learned" is often used as an adjective to describe one who is wise or educated, as in; "my learned friend, the Professor"
I always counted in my head when in Free fall. And after many jumps you can tell your altitude just by looking at the horizon and the ground.
Wow... two double opens? awesome. Also .... where is this? Colorado? It's beautiful
Gah, ya that's what I meant. Does the AAD still go if main is pulled too late. I didn't know how exactly the AAD worked. I thought it just scents your altitude and pulled the reserve at whatever you set it at.
Is the reserve parachute just as big as the regular one
Usually
@WhoDaresWins1189 I heard of a stuntman once, that jumped off a running train. He landed on his feet. And he was still standing when the crew found him, but had become a dwarf. His leg bones was gone through his shoes and into the ground like two tent pegs. I like to see that with a jump from an aeroplane ...
Regardless of if the student doesn't pull his chute, if the instructor could not get to the student to pull the chute, I don't think the instructor should have let his AAD fire. He should have deployed well before that and the student would see this and deploy his chute... ALSO does anyone know if he cutaway his main after they were both open?>
@waysav you don't really need to be altitude aware unless you're parachuting solo. You could go for your first time and not be altitude aware because you're probably going to do tandem. Pretty much frequent, trained, or pro skydivers should be FULLY altitude aware
The jumpmaster pulled his reserve as is the right thing to do. He also stayed with his student till the last possilble moment. That's the kind of instructor I would want teaching my loved ones.
No he pulled his main. It couldn't be any clearer.
Blue skies, Black Death, high speed dirt. He was just performing a HALO
I don't know jack about skydiving. (just the basics from good old point break.) However, am I right in saying that, at that altitude that guy would have had no way near enough time to cut away his main and open his reserve had the main failed???
Glad that you made it. It seems you had a good deal of directional control the final 200 feet or so.
you lucky duck, at that point wouldnt it have been safer just to pull your reserve? and leave your main in the container you know just let the AAD do its thing ? im not to familiar with what i should do in a bi or down plane situation, the only malfuntion i ever had to deal with was a hung up slider :P
Crazy thing is the student kept checking altitude, or so it seems, what was he looking at?
Still, if your alti is broken, pull high, it's not as if there were tons of people in the sky and the ground rush below 2500 is so intense you can't logically ignore it.
Kudos for publishing an embarrassing video, but this whole thing baffles me. Maybe reexamine your place in the sport, some people aren't wired for extreme sports.
Major props to the instructor, I would have pulled by 2k and he should have, had he pulled you would have followed suit.
Correct, but to put the counter argument if the student does not react correctly they are dead (potentially) and in this case the student was turning etc, in the second or two between pulls they may have missed it and then they're further distracted, but I agree if he's watching then deployment is a great signal that you're getting low.
No, read the description and you'll know the instructor is the one with the black gloves,,, doing the video, NOT the one doing the flips.
If your altimeter is 10,500 feet when you look at it and 10 seconds later it still reads 10,500 feet, that should be a clue. Or, if you can see cracks in concrete, that a really big clue. I'm glad it worked out for you.
What is great about your comment is that your right and your not a skydiver and you know this, the correct proceedure for an instructor is to pull his own chute to signal the student. I also do not understand how you didnt realize your altimeter was not moving for the last 45 seconds? On the bright side you both lived, and both of your AAD's had the cutter installed, fired & the loop routed correctly, I haven't seen that much nylon out since the tent sale @ bass pro shops, kudos to your rigger!
Got myself into a similar situation years ago. Couldn't manage to get stable and tumbled over and over toward the ground. Luckily my jump master came to my rescue and pulled my chute for me. I haven't jumped since.
Just make a ball of yourself and open up, you basically reset your mind. Worked for me when I got myself in a flat spin
If your alti stuck a 10500 feet why didn't you just track and dump
i assume the instructor had to stay with him, bcause if he would have pulled his first, he would have been very far away from the other guy withing seconds. so he decided to stay with him and wait for the emergency chute to open. luckily he figured it out before that.
Were they playing chicken with who would pull their chute first? Cx
Yeah it looks like he has two stable sideplane and then grabs both right risers on the main to dump it out of the way and cuts. Super smooth though huh?
Goddamn, I'm glad you made it without injury
as a former skydiving jumpmaster... I have had a few students go lower than they should but never like this.. and I would have NEVER taken it this LOW to hang with the student.. my job ends at 2,500 feet and the students A.A.D. then needs to take over. a student seeing me deploy should let him know he needs to do something fast.. 2 double deployments on the same load?? that has to be a case of beer.. is this jump at Longmont?
My eyes enjoyed this.
@Wadeifer Hey there, I had the same problem at the beginning. You're probably dropping a knee. After you're 360, click your heels together. It helped me, but everyone's different. Blue skys bro.
I don't know but why was there a truck with a trailer on the drop zone and why did someone not ask that question! Because safety was not a high priory that day, at least the man has a great lawsuit
The instructor is there to make sure the chute deploys. For all he knew there could have been a malfunction, he obviously didn't know the other guys altimeter was broken. He most likely would have gone over there an deployed it himself if any more time passed.
it's called a "free bag". it separates when your reserve deploys
Deadly, huh?
This officially makes you the very first undead sky diver. How progressive.
+Mike Zilla Zombies with chutes. The end is near.
Glad you made it to tell the story, mate
0:03 dead yet?
Big deal. We leave the plane every time at 600-1000ft in the military. Not much time to get that reserve out if something goes wrong.
Military jumps are static line and usually under rounds... The canopies function much differently in civilian skydiving....because we reach terminal velocity on our jumps our canopies open more slowly so we don't get slammed going from 120+mph to 0..... Therefore initiating a deployment at 1000ft while at terminal velocity is phenomenally more dangerous then an initial exit from 1k in the military.... Not to see static line military jumps aren't dangerous but again your applying one line of thinking to a different type of skydiving so it's not applicable.... In reality this dude is lucky as hell especially since in addition to pulling dirty low he also had his reserve canopy deploy at the same time as his main which could have caused an entanglement
+Kurt ImpactSN I don't need a lecture, I know how it works. You obviously are one of the many that don't take internet sarcasm well.
I woud think a good instructor would wear blaze orange or safety yellow gloves just to make sure their hand signals are visible.
I was watching the video and thinking the same thing? Would have been like, well if he's deployed maybe I should too? Also, that looked quite a bit lower than 850 purely because of the time taken to hit the floor? I don't know, I only jump on a large para not a sports, so maybe you fall faster with those?
The title is exactly right. Note that the chute ride down was just 30 seconds at 10mph. Freefall is 120mph. This equates to 3 seconds to ground at freefall speed from point of deployment.
Does the force keep you from moving ur arms?
You bothered to waive off when you were 1,200 ft above the ground?
Good yo can tell us your experience!, where's your jump site located?
After a while you can feel the altitude when the horizon seems close. If you know what I mean. Glad you did get your main out.
It happens to the best. He was concentrating on other things as well. Too bad he wasn't taught to cut away from a two out. What? You have never made a mistake in this sport?
At 1.53 is that another jumper to be seen for a split second disappearing at the left hand edge of the screen without their chute fully deployed . . I want to see that video!
This happens in a lot of different ways. People have too much faith in the machine and we'll just drive right off the end of the road if the GPS shows the road continues. We have a correction road. It's in the middle of the county and it has a lot of offset t-intersections by 50 ft old people don't wreck there very often but young people are looking at the GPS and think that the road must go straight since their version of it goes straight. If you're flying and the instruments tell you one thing and you think another sometimes it will kill you to believe in yourself but sometimes you better just pull the ripcord no matter what the altimeter says.
@mechaspark1 Where I am coming from: Australians speak British English, therefore its correct for us to use 'learnt' and "spelt", "centre", "criticise", "colour" etc. It might not be correct for a US educated person, but it is quite correct for us. Consider your comment that anyone who wants to speak English properly must use American English... Doesn't the fact that you refer to it as "American English" suggest that it might contain differences to other forms of English?