It is so satisfying getting to see all this detail down to even getting to see the cables and then the run through on the floor plan! Totally loving all this man thanks!
Oh man... I really hope you don't regret not having conduit or troughs in the future. I've been there with burying cables inside the wall and later needing to add or change something... no fun! Going to be a great build though, I have no doubt!
Studs are the problem. If you’ve ever experienced trying to retrieve drill shank extensions from inside a wall when the damn things decide to come apart, you’ll know what I mean. Sagan! You are THE BOSS! You keep mum and dad in check, y’hear? ❤
Yeah, the murican way of installing wires looks really odd to me. Here in Finland we always put everything in conduits and large installments on "shelves" that run in a closed off compartment. But out of a system that delivers what it's supposed to it makes no difference, the cables are shielded anyway...
@@ricolync true that. I was thinking future-proofing. But if there are spacious cavities like Eric’s barn seems to have, should be all right. The plans tell the story.
Yeah I am hoping I don't regret it as well. I really considered putting everything in conduit but it made the installation vastly more complicated and labor intensive. This is my 9th studio build and not one of them has had audio/data cabling installed in conduit. Thus far it hasn't been an issue. If I need to add lines I'll figure something out. You're point is well taken though, I could live to regret this choice :)
Looks great! You will be very glad you installed two bathrooms if you do start doing live events. One bathroom would get pretty beat up and worse if there’s a problem with it. As always thank you so much for sharing your knowledge! It has helped my mixing immensely!
Cool stuff! Felt left out because my friend is building a studio too. So I decided to build a studio in a van. Just got a 1073 SPX and a Distressor. Pretty stoked!
Sagan is a cutie, you two come across as great parents. On another note, I do hope I get to see this studio someday. Especially when you pull out the T-Ride multitracks…😉
Just as a note too, there are dedicated boxes made that can sit in the room by the mics or tie lines that will provide phantom. I believe they used to be more common back in the day.
@@robdrauden1495 I am familiar with those and they're quite useful for avoiding "hot patching" that can occur by running phantom from a mic pre through a patchbay. That is the source of the misunderstanding over ribbon mic vulnerability and phantom power. I reckon a good product would be a cat6 mic input box with switchable phantom built in. Or a prefab mic panel boxes with keystone jacks and a phantom supply built in.
Hey Eric, In your Part 2 Puremix episode with Andrew Scheps you mention filming 2 episodes at Barefoot before closing. 1 on the QOTSA drums and the other on your typical rock drum setup. Did this happen? Super interested and stoked if it did! Much respect and thank you for doing these videos!
Okay level with me Eric, odds of getting invited to watch the magic from the "Daddy Sagan Crows Nest"? What would I give for a live Twilight Hour Experience?! 😀 This is looking so amazing, crazy hard work guys.
Hi Eric, great videos! i would love to hear more about your use of Cat5/6 for mic tie lines and how you're wiring them. I've made some DB25 to Cat5 converters i've used in my studio patchbay that make life super easy and are much cheaper than traditional multi core cable. What are your thoughts on signal degradation using Cat5? Is there any? Thanks again 👍
Can't wait to see the finished product! I forgot... Have you moved to Vermont permanently? Or did you keep the place in Cali? A little personal I know but I was really wondering because you always talked about loving to mix in that small confined room. The Studibarn is quite different!
We still have our place in Topanga, CA. The studio there has been converted to a Yoga studio haha! I can still do a mobile setup in there when we are staying there. We plan on splitting our time between the places as best we can. We love them both too much to just be in one or the other :)
Hey Eric, are you planning to keep the mic pres out in the live room like barefoot? Would be cool to see a comparison of both and hear how much the mic level signal is being altered.
FWIW, Dave Rat has some amazing videos about live sound, but he has one where he tests phantom and signals loss over 6 miles of cable. Pretty interesting results.
hey Eric, thanks so much for shearing your experience on this channel. this is a little off topic but I'm interested to know how you import your mix reference material into protools.. where do you get the files? are they just taken from the output of an audio source or do you have access the the masters? i record at 96k and always have to switch over to listen to references.. i see a lot of engineers using reference tracks that are imported into protools and am curious on how you guys are doing that? thanks so much
Hi Eric ! I work in a venue where we use cat 6 to Dmx for light purposes but not for mic signal. Is there some difference on capacitance/ft or 48v compared to regular mic cable ? Thanks, an other great video !
The CAT6 cable does very well in the capacitance/ft rating. Being in the teens (around 15pf/ft) It is generally lower than most mic cable. I used the CAT6 mic cable thing a bunch at my studio in Topanga and it worked great. The only thing I could find that was a potential issue is that grounding of the mics is in groups of 4. If you are trying to plug 4 mics into four totally different mic preamps, you are emerging the grounding of all of those preamps. It can occasionally cause a ground loop. That was rare though :)
You should really give Dante more consideration. Especially the Focusrite RedNet gear. With something like an A16R, you have 16 channels of high quality AD/DA converters that can live near the source, with whatever preamps you want. There are plenty of remote controlled preamps too, if you want to still be able to control gain from the control room. Then, you can have 16 channels of digital audio run over one CAT6 cable back to your control room with no signal degradation and no expensive multicore audio snakes. Adding additional Dante units is a breeze, all you need is a network connection. You can even use fiber optic cable to connect more distant places to your audio network (like the house to barn via the fiber you already installed ). The latency is great, usually between 0.25-1 msec. You can also use Dante for sending cue mixes to a Dante headphone amp like the Focusrite X2P or AM2, no need for headphone tie lines, just CAT6 cable. Video can also be sent over Dante. I think it would be perfect for a huge studio setup like yours. It’s a bit of a pain to set up the network initially (if I were you I’d hire a Dante certified network tech to plan and install), but after initial setup it works without much tech fiddling. Analog cable certainly has its own frustrations, like trying to track down ground loops, RFI noise issues, or a broken/cold solder joint. 🤬
Hi, awesome stuff! It would be interesting to hear your thoughts about grounding and avoiding ground loops with multi room use. Are you planning to use main CR patchbay as a "star ground"? 🤓
Good question!. Yes the patchbay is going to be the center of my ground universe. I have also setup an isolated ground for all audio stuff. All of the patchbays will an extremely robust ground connection to that isolated ground network. That should be a good start and I'll see how it all adds up once things start getting plugged in :)
Were both Undertone consoles sold with Barefoot? If so, will this be the first studio you have built without a console? (Other than Studio Topangadise)
THe UTA console were sold to other buyers. One went to Phelidelphia and one went to the Northwest somewhere. Yes I am continuing down the no console path! I really enjoy it. The monitoring is sooooooo good :)
Eric, great project and happy family! A dream place for sure, color me green envy, haha, my setup is quite modest. As I am obsessed with mixing, I have some questions... What has been, to you, the greatest way/place to mix? Which are your favourite headphones? Do you think that strong mixes can be made with them, if you know them? I use audeze lcd-x, they are regarded extremely flat and I never thought subs could be well represented in a small space until trying them, for someone like me they have become my "room".
Good questions! Thus far my two favorite mix rooms have been HOS recording (the pre barefoot studio) and the Topanga studio. Those were the funnest to mix in. The reality for me is that no room is truly flat and they all have to be learned. You just get used to the way the room sounds and mix to it. The two recent records I finished were both mixed in a make shift bedroom/control room. These two records could be my two favorite sounding projects to date :) for headphones, I use Audio Technica M50x. I am sure there are "better" headphones out there but I am used to the M50Xs and I can get what I need from them. It is very difficult for me to figure out the lowend with headphones. I still really need to listen on speakers for that part of the process. Headphones are great for dialing in the mids and highs and stereo field stuff. I think you can definitely get the results you want with headphones. Any approach just takes practice. The more you finish mixes and take them out to the world to see how the translate the more you will learn your monitoring, be it headphones or speakers. Best of luck with your mixing!
Thanks! Interesting answers, Eric, specially the no totally "flat" room. Which are your favourite reference mixes, both yours and others'? Also, which are those 2 records you have been working on?
I think its likely we will use Dante for the venue tie lines. I think I'm still too much of an old school analog guy to run my mic tie lines through a digital tie line for the recording studio. I'm sure it works great. It would just feel weird for me haha!
Hey Eric, I’m kind of curious why you chose not to put your CAT6 in conduit? I’ve run into problems before at my house where I ran CAT5 through the walls without conduit and then found I had big problems after a couple of years as networking standards got faster and gosh it was a nightmare to redo all that. I saw what you said about WiFi but are you really thinking that CAT6 will be good enough for what you’re doing and you won’t need to upgrade ever? Do you have something else in place that we didn’t see that’ll make it easy to upgrade (if the time comes) without a big hassle?
Good Question! I'l figure it out when I get there. There are always options for running cable that is not embedded in the wall. At barefoot, I ran cable all over the place when the existing installation didn't have what I needed. There was always a way to figure it out. I'm sure I will discover things I wish I had not far into this and I'll just have to figure out a way to add it. At least on this one I get to start with really clean walls. That's better than all my other studios haha!
Hi Eric. Which are the specs for the guitar amp speaker cable please? Core diameter. I think these have to be thick ones regarding the length, right? Thanks. Love this videos ✌🏻
Considering how widespread and affordable Dante (and AVB) are nowadays, it's honestly so much easier (and cheaper) to just keep preamps/converters close to the source and run Cat6A to a central switch(es) (or fibre for longer runs as it quickly becomes soooo much cheaper). Also Cat6 can be used so easily with baluns for Composite or SDI Video, AES3, AES10 (though there are different MADI over Ethernet "Standards"....) or even analogue audio (but then shielded or at least foiled cabling should be used rather than the standard install grade UTP if you want high quality transmission with any coherent low end). I believe RealWorld is nowadays fully onboard with Dante between the rooms in addition to the analogue lines and I believe Deutsche Grammophon (Emil Berliner Studios nowadays) has been sending MADI over fibre between studios for a long time. Thanks for the videos, looking forward to how it finally turns out.
There are plenty of CAT6 runs that could be repurposed to be Dante. I have no plans to use Dante though. I think I am running in the opposite direction with 50s era tube consoles and all ribbon mics. I'm sure Dante works amazing but it seems like it lives in an entirely different galaxy than the rest of my world haha!
Eric, it's clearly a done deal at this point, but have you considered running your balanced lines (mics etc.) through CAT6? Oh, never mind, shouldn't have started typing before listening to the whole video, LOL. Anyways, it's a neat setup. I've had it in my house for a few years now and I'm still kind of astounded at the lack of signal degradation over pretty long distances.
With a Scotty impression that dodgyI will perhaps need to edit my comment last week about you being welcome come and fish in Scotland! 🤣 On another note: do you have a plan for a Grand Piano to fit into the space permanently and if so what are you considering?
Haha!! I wouldn't invite me anywhere after that terrible Scotty imitation :) Yes there will be a piano. But probably not a full size grand. I had a beautiful Yamaha full size grand at Barefoot and I really grew tied of the sound. I want something with more personality in this place. We'll see what I end up with :)
@@mrwev I can kind of understand that. And while there are some jazz/classical cats who may insist on this Yamaha or that Steinway, perhaps that's not your target market anyway. And oftentimes buying a piano comes down to what pops up in your area at the time you are buying, which in itself can be something of a magic carpet ride and lead you in unexpected 'personality' directions. I ended up with a Harmonium ffs! 🙃
This place will be fantastic. What a dream! Question: In past studio tours you have talked about your preference to have the mic preamps close to the source in the live room. Will this setup for cabling allow you to continue doing that? Especially with the long cable runs, it seems to make a lot of sense to have (remote controlled) preamps and run line level to the control room. Also: You should check out www.youtube.com/@ImpressionRecordings for inspiration. Robbie is doing a similar thing to you, but on a farm in Sweden, and I imagine that you two could have a thing or two to talk about.
Yes! The tie lines can work either way. I could have pres in the sound room or the control room. These days make that choice more from work flow than sonics. When I was younger I wasn't doing proper blind listening tests and convinced myself that some things were more important than they actually were :)
Fascinating! Do you envision most rhythm section recording in the big room or the room next to the control room? It's hard to tell from the floor plan but it looks like the smaller studio could still be a pretty good-size room.
The smallerroom isroughly 20x20. I suppose it will dependon the project. Either room could be greatfor drums when tey are treated right. My room in Topanga was around 20x20 and it sounded great for drums :)
4 thoughts, here: A) always lovely to see a studio build, even more so when it's well explained, in detail. 👍 B) funny how Americans build what are basically glorified, elaborate wooden sheds and call them "a multi million dollar home / recording studio", with all that crazy freely hanging inter-wall wiring... and if bricks or concrete or stone are involved it's immediately "a billionaire's mansion/castle"! 😂😉😉 (That kind of wiring wouldn't fly in a modern EU build, btw⚠️) C) I know the man is famous for Barefoot Recording, but is walking barefoot in a construction site, especially one involving nails and wooden splinters, really a good idea?! 😮😉 D) although it has already been said that this wil be a console-less studio, the more it grows the more it seems to me to be screaming for one of those gorgeous and versatile UTA consoles as the nerve centre & focal point of this place that will undoubtedly make a lot of good sounds and good music. Maybe a mini UTA?! 😉👍
I'm gonna be the complainy networking bitch on this (;-) HA!) - when you are running high bit and sample rate audio, in an ATMOS setup with multiple concurrent streams, you start eating a ton of bandwidth. Couple that with internet providers offering up symmetrical XGS-PON at 3Gig and 8Gig rates by end of summer this year - cat6a running 10gig is SOOOOO 2019. Adopting a hub/spoke (or a fiber ring right around the whole barn), run fiber bundles at 25/40Gig to your hubs and run cat6a only at your spokes for short distances. You're going to be storing a lot of data on your working project servers - and you can run sessions where you can record right to them, edit from them directly, have them all RAIDed up for speed and resiliency and backed-up every night ........you coulda made Junkie XL SO jelly! lol..... All I'm saying - bandwidth is your friend......do not fear it. Tongue and cheek comments of course - it's looking great!
It is so satisfying getting to see all this detail down to even getting to see the cables and then the run through on the floor plan! Totally loving all this man thanks!
Looks killer man. Thanks so much for taking us on the ride!
Who else can’t wait to get super high and listen to the patchbay episode?
Thanks man, love the inclusion of the family moments, makes it more real.
Oh man... I really hope you don't regret not having conduit or troughs in the future. I've been there with burying cables inside the wall and later needing to add or change something... no fun! Going to be a great build though, I have no doubt!
Studs are the problem. If you’ve ever experienced trying to retrieve drill shank extensions from inside a wall when the damn things decide to come apart, you’ll know what I mean. Sagan! You are THE BOSS! You keep mum and dad in check, y’hear? ❤
Yeah, the murican way of installing wires looks really odd to me. Here in Finland we always put everything in conduits and large installments on "shelves" that run in a closed off compartment. But out of a system that delivers what it's supposed to it makes no difference, the cables are shielded anyway...
Well that and it’s all wire tied. My current room is that way. I occasionally want to set fire to it all. 😅
@@ricolync true that. I was thinking future-proofing. But if there are spacious cavities like Eric’s barn seems to have, should be all right. The plans tell the story.
Yeah I am hoping I don't regret it as well. I really considered putting everything in conduit but it made the installation vastly more complicated and labor intensive. This is my 9th studio build and not one of them has had audio/data cabling installed in conduit. Thus far it hasn't been an issue. If I need to add lines I'll figure something out. You're point is well taken though, I could live to regret this choice :)
Love the toy in the background. Parents of young kids unite!! (I have a 3 and a 6 year old)
Looks great! You will be very glad you installed two bathrooms if you do start doing live events. One bathroom would get pretty beat up and worse if there’s a problem with it.
As always thank you so much for sharing your knowledge! It has helped my mixing immensely!
Got lucky enough to assist on a few sessions at Real World and can definite confirm it is incredible there!
Cool stuff! Felt left out because my friend is building a studio too. So I decided to build a studio in a van. Just got a 1073 SPX and a Distressor. Pretty stoked!
Sagan is a cutie, you two come across as great parents.
On another note, I do hope I get to see this studio someday. Especially when you pull out the T-Ride multitracks…😉
giant place! what a superb complex it's going to be! thanks for sharing. cheers
In my experience with cat6 mic lines they don't carry phantom power. How are you planning on handling phantom on those connections?
Good question! CAT6 mic lines can do phantom power if you use "Shielded" CAT6.
Just as a note too, there are dedicated boxes made that can sit in the room by the mics or tie lines that will provide phantom. I believe they used to be more common back in the day.
@@robdrauden1495 I am familiar with those and they're quite useful for avoiding "hot patching" that can occur by running phantom from a mic pre through a patchbay. That is the source of the misunderstanding over ribbon mic vulnerability and phantom power. I reckon a good product would be a cat6 mic input box with switchable phantom built in. Or a prefab mic panel boxes with keystone jacks and a phantom supply built in.
Hey Eric, In your Part 2 Puremix episode with Andrew Scheps you mention filming 2 episodes at Barefoot before closing. 1 on the QOTSA drums and the other on your typical rock drum setup. Did this happen? Super interested and stoked if it did! Much respect and thank you for doing these videos!
Yeah I was wondering about this too!
Okay level with me Eric, odds of getting invited to watch the magic from the "Daddy Sagan Crows Nest"? What would I give for a live Twilight Hour Experience?! 😀 This is looking so amazing, crazy hard work guys.
When will you be taking applications for janitor?
So excited for each of these videos :)
Enjoying the ride, EV!
Hi Eric, great videos! i would love to hear more about your use of Cat5/6 for mic tie lines and how you're wiring them. I've made some DB25 to Cat5 converters i've used in my studio patchbay that make life super easy and are much cheaper than traditional multi core cable. What are your thoughts on signal degradation using Cat5? Is there any?
Thanks again 👍
So cool! I'd love to see the place some day!
Can't wait to see the finished product! I forgot... Have you moved to Vermont permanently? Or did you keep the place in Cali? A little personal I know but I was really wondering because you always talked about loving to mix in that small confined room. The Studibarn is quite different!
We still have our place in Topanga, CA. The studio there has been converted to a Yoga studio haha! I can still do a mobile setup in there when we are staying there. We plan on splitting our time between the places as best we can. We love them both too much to just be in one or the other :)
Hey Eric, are you planning to keep the mic pres out in the live room like barefoot? Would be cool to see a comparison of both and hear how much the mic level signal is being altered.
See answer to
@martinkorner8450 :)
FWIW, Dave Rat has some amazing videos about live sound, but he has one where he tests phantom and signals loss over 6 miles of cable. Pretty interesting results.
Love it! Can't wait till the next one 🤘
hey Eric, thanks so much for shearing your experience on this channel. this is a little off topic but I'm interested to know how you import your mix reference material into protools.. where do you get the files? are they just taken from the output of an audio source or do you have access the the masters? i record at 96k and always have to switch over to listen to references.. i see a lot of engineers using reference tracks that are imported into protools and am curious on how you guys are doing that? thanks so much
Hi Eric ! I work in a venue where we use cat 6 to Dmx for light purposes but not for mic signal. Is there some difference on capacitance/ft or 48v compared to regular mic cable ? Thanks, an other great video !
The CAT6 cable does very well in the capacitance/ft rating. Being in the teens (around 15pf/ft) It is generally lower than most mic cable. I used the CAT6 mic cable thing a bunch at my studio in Topanga and it worked great. The only thing I could find that was a potential issue is that grounding of the mics is in groups of 4. If you are trying to plug 4 mics into four totally different mic preamps, you are emerging the grounding of all of those preamps. It can occasionally cause a ground loop. That was rare though :)
You should really give Dante more consideration. Especially the Focusrite RedNet gear. With something like an A16R, you have 16 channels of high quality AD/DA converters that can live near the source, with whatever preamps you want. There are plenty of remote controlled preamps too, if you want to still be able to control gain from the control room. Then, you can have 16 channels of digital audio run over one CAT6 cable back to your control room with no signal degradation and no expensive multicore audio snakes. Adding additional Dante units is a breeze, all you need is a network connection. You can even use fiber optic cable to connect more distant places to your audio network (like the house to barn via the fiber you already installed ). The latency is great, usually between 0.25-1 msec. You can also use Dante for sending cue mixes to a Dante headphone amp like the Focusrite X2P or AM2, no need for headphone tie lines, just CAT6 cable. Video can also be sent over Dante.
I think it would be perfect for a huge studio setup like yours. It’s a bit of a pain to set up the network initially (if I were you I’d hire a Dante certified network tech to plan and install), but after initial setup it works without much tech fiddling. Analog cable certainly has its own frustrations, like trying to track down ground loops, RFI noise issues, or a broken/cold solder joint. 🤬
Hi, awesome stuff! It would be interesting to hear your thoughts about grounding and avoiding ground loops with multi room use. Are you planning to use main CR patchbay as a "star ground"? 🤓
Good question!. Yes the patchbay is going to be the center of my ground universe. I have also setup an isolated ground for all audio stuff. All of the patchbays will an extremely robust ground connection to that isolated ground network. That should be a good start and I'll see how it all adds up once things start getting plugged in :)
Were both Undertone consoles sold with Barefoot? If so, will this be the first studio you have built without a console? (Other than Studio Topangadise)
THe UTA console were sold to other buyers. One went to Phelidelphia and one went to the Northwest somewhere. Yes I am continuing down the no console path! I really enjoy it. The monitoring is sooooooo good :)
Eric, great project and happy family!
A dream place for sure, color me green envy, haha, my setup is quite modest.
As I am obsessed with mixing, I have some questions...
What has been, to you, the greatest way/place to mix?
Which are your favourite headphones?
Do you think that strong mixes can be made with them, if you know them?
I use audeze lcd-x, they are regarded extremely flat and I never thought subs could be well represented in a small space until trying them, for someone like me they have become my "room".
Good questions! Thus far my two favorite mix rooms have been HOS recording (the pre barefoot studio) and the Topanga studio. Those were the funnest to mix in. The reality for me is that no room is truly flat and they all have to be learned. You just get used to the way the room sounds and mix to it. The two recent records I finished were both mixed in a make shift bedroom/control room. These two records could be my two favorite sounding projects to date :)
for headphones, I use Audio Technica M50x. I am sure there are "better" headphones out there but I am used to the M50Xs and I can get what I need from them. It is very difficult for me to figure out the lowend with headphones. I still really need to listen on speakers for that part of the process. Headphones are great for dialing in the mids and highs and stereo field stuff.
I think you can definitely get the results you want with headphones. Any approach just takes practice. The more you finish mixes and take them out to the world to see how the translate the more you will learn your monitoring, be it headphones or speakers. Best of luck with your mixing!
Thanks!
Interesting answers, Eric, specially the no totally "flat" room.
Which are your favourite reference mixes, both yours and others'?
Also, which are those 2 records you have been working on?
Hi Eric, with all the Cat6 are you doing RedNet or Dante to pres in the live room? Or just haven't run all the Analog yet? Tha KS for the vids!
Sorry I'm a dumbass, I should have watched the whole video first.
@@fonte935 REPENT God gets praise Jesus thanked Amen
Hey Eric, Why not run Dante for most of your needs?? You can future-proof your venue and save a ton on copper.
I think its likely we will use Dante for the venue tie lines. I think I'm still too much of an old school analog guy to run my mic tie lines through a digital tie line for the recording studio. I'm sure it works great. It would just feel weird for me haha!
Did you use the old wiring from Barefoot Studios or did you have to buy all new cable. Cheers and loving the build vids.
Yes! I used Everything I could from Barefoot. All of the Mogami cable in the new place is reclaimed from Barefoot :)
@@mrwev nice
These are great!
Hey Eric, I’m kind of curious why you chose not to put your CAT6 in conduit? I’ve run into problems before at my house where I ran CAT5 through the walls without conduit and then found I had big problems after a couple of years as networking standards got faster and gosh it was a nightmare to redo all that. I saw what you said about WiFi but are you really thinking that CAT6 will be good enough for what you’re doing and you won’t need to upgrade ever? Do you have something else in place that we didn’t see that’ll make it easy to upgrade (if the time comes) without a big hassle?
Good Question! I'l figure it out when I get there. There are always options for running cable that is not embedded in the wall. At barefoot, I ran cable all over the place when the existing installation didn't have what I needed. There was always a way to figure it out. I'm sure I will discover things I wish I had not far into this and I'll just have to figure out a way to add it. At least on this one I get to start with really clean walls. That's better than all my other studios haha!
Hi Eric. Which are the specs for the guitar amp speaker cable please? Core diameter. I think these have to be thick ones regarding the length, right? Thanks. Love this videos ✌🏻
Not sure the exact core diameter but I believe it is 12 ga. that I installed.
Considering how widespread and affordable Dante (and AVB) are nowadays, it's honestly so much easier (and cheaper) to just keep preamps/converters close to the source and run Cat6A to a central switch(es) (or fibre for longer runs as it quickly becomes soooo much cheaper). Also Cat6 can be used so easily with baluns for Composite or SDI Video, AES3, AES10 (though there are different MADI over Ethernet "Standards"....) or even analogue audio (but then shielded or at least foiled cabling should be used rather than the standard install grade UTP if you want high quality transmission with any coherent low end).
I believe RealWorld is nowadays fully onboard with Dante between the rooms in addition to the analogue lines and I believe Deutsche Grammophon (Emil Berliner Studios nowadays) has been sending MADI over fibre between studios for a long time.
Thanks for the videos, looking forward to how it finally turns out.
Thanks :D
Are the CAT6 lines for DANTE or are you going to use another network ?
There are plenty of CAT6 runs that could be repurposed to be Dante. I have no plans to use Dante though. I think I am running in the opposite direction with 50s era tube consoles and all ribbon mics. I'm sure Dante works amazing but it seems like it lives in an entirely different galaxy than the rest of my world haha!
Eric are you still considering doing a recording camp I know you had mentioned that before .
Yes I am!
I assume you are using shielded cat6?
Yes! It is the nly way to get phantom power to work for the runs used as mic tie lines!
Eric, it's clearly a done deal at this point, but have you considered running your balanced lines (mics etc.) through CAT6? Oh, never mind, shouldn't have started typing before listening to the whole video, LOL. Anyways, it's a neat setup. I've had it in my house for a few years now and I'm still kind of astounded at the lack of signal degradation over pretty long distances.
Man I hope you get better soon!
With a Scotty impression that dodgyI will perhaps need to edit my comment last week about you being welcome come and fish in Scotland! 🤣
On another note: do you have a plan for a Grand Piano to fit into the space permanently and if so what are you considering?
Haha!! I wouldn't invite me anywhere after that terrible Scotty imitation :) Yes there will be a piano. But probably not a full size grand. I had a beautiful Yamaha full size grand at Barefoot and I really grew tied of the sound. I want something with more personality in this place. We'll see what I end up with :)
@@mrwev I can kind of understand that. And while there are some jazz/classical cats who may insist on this Yamaha or that Steinway, perhaps that's not your target market anyway. And oftentimes buying a piano comes down to what pops up in your area at the time you are buying, which in itself can be something of a magic carpet ride and lead you in unexpected 'personality' directions. I ended up with a Harmonium ffs! 🙃
Favourite new word "Spockish"
This place will be fantastic. What a dream!
Question: In past studio tours you have talked about your preference to have the mic preamps close to the source in the live room. Will this setup for cabling allow you to continue doing that? Especially with the long cable runs, it seems to make a lot of sense to have (remote controlled) preamps and run line level to the control room.
Also: You should check out www.youtube.com/@ImpressionRecordings for inspiration. Robbie is doing a similar thing to you, but on a farm in Sweden, and I imagine that you two could have a thing or two to talk about.
Yes! The tie lines can work either way. I could have pres in the sound room or the control room. These days make that choice more from work flow than sonics. When I was younger I wasn't doing proper blind listening tests and convinced myself that some things were more important than they actually were :)
Fascinating! Do you envision most rhythm section recording in the big room or the room next to the control room? It's hard to tell from the floor plan but it looks like the smaller studio could still be a pretty good-size room.
The smallerroom isroughly 20x20. I suppose it will dependon the project. Either room could be greatfor drums when tey are treated right. My room in Topanga was around 20x20 and it sounded great for drums :)
Hope the fridge in the kitchen doesn't kick on in the live room :)
I’m so confused, was this in summer of 2022?
Sorry I should have included the year. This was 2021 :)
@@mrwev LOL can't wait to see the rest of it!
I just love the fact that a wife knows who Gene Roddenberry is....
You're giving me serious anxiety walking around a construction site with no shoes on. 😵💫
"Fagen" ... Dickens or Steely Dan?
It's actually "Sagan" as in Carl Sagan. A long time hero of ours :)
Need I write it ? A much better choice.
4 thoughts, here:
A) always lovely to see a studio build, even more so when it's well explained, in detail. 👍
B) funny how Americans build what are basically glorified, elaborate wooden sheds and call them "a multi million dollar home / recording studio", with all that crazy freely hanging inter-wall wiring... and if bricks or concrete or stone are involved it's immediately "a billionaire's mansion/castle"! 😂😉😉 (That kind of wiring wouldn't fly in a modern EU build, btw⚠️)
C) I know the man is famous for Barefoot Recording, but is walking barefoot in a construction site, especially one involving nails and wooden splinters, really a good idea?! 😮😉
D) although it has already been said that this wil be a console-less studio, the more it grows the more it seems to me to be screaming for one of those gorgeous and versatile UTA consoles as the nerve centre & focal point of this place that will undoubtedly make a lot of good sounds and good music.
Maybe a mini UTA?!
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Great stuff, as always. If you're looking for an assistant with a recording diploma and lots of training, I'm just 2hr away from you ;-)
First! :)
Ok, your son has a helmet on and you have no shoes on in a construction zone! What’s wrong with this picture? Lol 😝
I'm gonna be the complainy networking bitch on this (;-) HA!) - when you are running high bit and sample rate audio, in an ATMOS setup with multiple concurrent streams, you start eating a ton of bandwidth. Couple that with internet providers offering up symmetrical XGS-PON at 3Gig and 8Gig rates by end of summer this year - cat6a running 10gig is SOOOOO 2019.
Adopting a hub/spoke (or a fiber ring right around the whole barn), run fiber bundles at 25/40Gig to your hubs and run cat6a only at your spokes for short distances. You're going to be storing a lot of data on your working project servers - and you can run sessions where you can record right to them, edit from them directly, have them all RAIDed up for speed and resiliency and backed-up every night ........you coulda made Junkie XL SO jelly! lol.....
All I'm saying - bandwidth is your friend......do not fear it. Tongue and cheek comments of course - it's looking great!