Well, I'm not worried about running out of ideas. I am much more worried of the grind to record and edit every single week, which means there is very little flexibility. Also, my college work starts... Tomorrow, so I need a break, heh. -Eric
@@17thShard How much of the grind is the editing? I know you can't just trust random people for editing, but theoretically if you could have a volunteer editor or two would that change anything about the amount of episodes you would do/want to do?
Seriously I love that Grace's role on this is to pitch wild hypotheticals like, "what if a black hole consumes enough investiture could it become a perpendicularity" and from a previous episode, "what if Dalinar yeeted Gavinor off the tower before he died" and I just can't get enough of it lol
Dude I have been loving this content - just discovered you guys after finishing WaT. Just started working through the backlog of content while waiting for more WaT stuff. Thank you to everyone for the time and effort
The magics being potentially somewhat culture-based also makes me think that the interplay between devotion and dominion is the reason its base on countries Being devoted to a specific domain is what makes you capable of performing the magic I’m still not sure where the symbols come into play But then again, I’m not sure exactly what metals have to do with preservation and ruin directly, so what do I know
I feel like there wasn't nearly enough discussion on the idea of Taln not breaking due to a dawnshard related reason. Taln seems extremely likely to have held a dawnshard. He tried to kill Cultivation, and we know of very few weapons capable of hurting a shard. We also know he was given a weapon by Kalak that he no longer possesses when he joined the Oathpact. We know a Dawnshard was involved in what happened on Ashyn. The likelihood of Taln having held a dawnshard is extremely high. If he did, what is his torment? A torment that makes it impossible for him to give in I think is very interesting (and likely!)
@ I mentioned Ashyn primarily because it is likely that the Dawnshard made it's way to Roshar, and would make sense for it to be the 'weapon' that Kalak had.
A lot of people have been discussing this theory, but I have a feeling it introduces a plot hole since if Cultivation could make that someone’s Torment why didn’t she do it to all ten heralds and trap Odium on Braize for eternity
I’m open to there being some weird shenanigans that made it so Taln couldn’t break, but my preference is just incredible force of will. Some people are not super pain motivated (apparently Brandon has some of that), some are stubborn to absurd levels, I’ve met both types, so I find it completely believable that you could have completely “normal” reasons for Taln just never giving up. I would prefer if the focus on Taln was examining how a “normal” person could become what he became, and how detrimental that could be elsewhere in life. Complete refusal to budge is truly inspirational if you’re a German being tortured by nazis to give up the location of refugees, it’s far less laudable if it is sabotaging your relationships, and downright tragic if it’s a handful of isolated Japanese soldiers fighting their entire lives on islands for an authoritarian regime that surrendered decades ago.
I think Kaladin's magically induced depression and lack of Surges was the worldbuilding/plot taken from Rall Elorim and moved to Urithiru. Kal was probably going on a one-man Die Hard style mission of taking Rall Elorim back from Odium's control or something
Past the event horizon is Boundless Probability, sometimes referred to as Schrodinger's City - a land of mathematical probability that may or may not exist truthfully. This is the true homeland of the Cryptics.
Speaking of dawnshards just has me all the more fascinated about them and a possible connection to nightblood? I’ve always wondered if the command used to create nightblood was derived and/or inspired by a dawnshard.
1:02:20 as a guess, it's because summoning a blade requires sending information through the bond, and aluminum blocks that kind of information but not the transition itself. Also, Maya wasn't near enough to Adolin yet to know where he was - maybe if she was in the region of Shadesmar corresponding to the inside of the room, she wouldn't be blocked in the same way.
I can't believe everyone misses the easy answer for the Taln question. Taln didn't break because his insanity manifested in masochism. He was into it. Picture Bill Murray in "Little Shop of Horrors".
I just saw someone come up with a theory that the Un-made are splinters of the Heralds un-made by Odium. Taln not breaking would explain why there's 9 of them
Have you guys considered collaborating on a big Cosmere recap, post wind and truth? I think it would be very beneficial to hear some experts go through a bit of a recap and current state of the Cosmere 🤔
@@17thShard I believe Captured in Words is working on summarizing major books in the cosmere, and will probably eventually do Wind and Truth. See his summaries for the first 3 books already completed (they’re quite long)
@17thShard Thanks for the consideration Eric, I know there is sooo much in this universe but I feel like there is a bigger story being told throughout the Cosemere that you have to be diligent to discover what and as someone who read mistborn way too long ago and hasn’t gotten to Sunlit Man I would love to hear someone try to take all these threads that have been left throughout the universe and sort of remind me of where we stand within that greater story that is unfolding. Way too many words but I Hope that makes a some small amount of sense! Thanks again!
1:34:15 I think the only "passive" god metals properties we know are raysium and bavadinium. Raysium conducts Investiture, and bavadinium repels it. All the other effects we've seen are from the Metallic Arts
For Taln not breaking, I always kinda read it as "He did break but the way he broke still managed to fulfill his function." Like, he broke but the broken pieces of Taln wedged themselves into the doorway of the Desolation, keeping it sealed even after he snapped
Agree, his ability to break is entirely dependent on his ability to be sane enough to make the cohesive thoughts required to break. His madness threshold was lower than his breaking threshold.
The magic on Taldain is also kind of location based. It's mechanically very different to Selish magic, but I would guess that that's also the case for other location based magic systems because it's very difficult to mimic the mechanics on Sel.
I am curious. With some of you being Arcanists for Brandon, and many being beta/Gamma readers, I'm sure you come across *top secret information* that you keep your lips sealed about. My question is - if you the subject comes up on Shard cast, or you're given the opportunity to ask Brandon, are there times you ask questions regarding the subject even if *you* know the answer, just to help keep up appearances? Or do you start to avoid asking questions on topics you're already aware of so Brandon can do his thing?
1:03:38 That was my thought - that the minds of spren are too "cohesive," so to speak, to sublimate away as raw Stormlight does. And therefore, Maya couldn't get into an aluminum-encased room, for the same reason that a spren could not get out of an aluminum-encased gemstone. Or there could be logistical differences between transferring between a Cognitive-Physical transfer, and a Physical-Spiritual transfer. I don't know.
I think that og Sel magic was location based only in regards to wich power tou could obtein, so someone from Arelon was restricted to some proto elantrian, but could use the powers beyond there. The death of the shards made it so the restriction got stronger
Re: Divison and Nahel bonds: I find it likely that an unbound Division surge could be used to split a Nahel bond, similar to how an unbound Bondsmith can do the crazy things Ishar did with his Honorblade. But even then, I don't think it could be a permanent break - at least not with the form of bond taken between Surgebinder and spren. It might take consistent Investiture to force the bond apart, but it would naturally mend once that Investiture dissipates. Otherwise, I suspect Nale would just have split the bonds of burgeoning Radiants instead of killing them (though perhaps, with his Ideals, he did not use his powers unbound as Ishar did).
The way Division is described is very similar to soulcasting with having to convince the cognative aspect of the object to think of itself in a different way. If you could use Division to break a Nahel bond then you could theoretically use soulcasting to create one. I personally don't think this makes sense and would fall in the camp of Division not working for this purpose.
@@godminnette2 Wind and Truth Chapter 45 When Szeth is using Division on the roof: "Division wasn't so different from the other arts. With Soulcasting, you needed to persuade, cajole, or - if you were particularly skilled - command. A Stoneward instead had to know the stone, become kin to it. With Division, the art of Dusbringing, you gave a spark - and controlled the reaction. The results could be explosive. If you were careful, they could also be precise. Today, the fires he started were tiny, practically invisible. He convinced the single-stone rooftop that it was instead made up of many, many stones. Tiny ones. Barely connected."
In terms of was Elantris pre or post shattering there is a way for it to be based on the shape of Arelon and pre shattering. It’s been a while since I’ve read Mist born but when Vin was had the power of the shard shaping the land was a trivial thing. And was crucial to how the land was eventually healed. So it’s possible that one of the original shards shaped the land first and set the magic to be location based as Elantris was built. It’s also possible that early Elantrians knew this and updated the Aeons accordingly but this knowledge was either lost to time or even when the shards were lost. Either way it’s still possible that Elantris is a Dawn city. Which would be super cool. But would also make sense if it’s not
God metals we know of and their special properties (besides possibles uses in the 3 metallic arts): Lerasium - grand access to investiture (this may be its special property AND its allomantic power, as far as we know) (Pure) Atium - inducing wild speculations in the fandom Raysium - an investiture conductor Harmonium - can replicate in a more powerful way active uses of metallic arts (and maybe other arts) around it "Trellium" - can repel other god metals/investiture and it can possibly separate mixed investiture "Tanavastium" and "Koravellium" - we don't know, we only saw them in honorblades, shardblades and shardplates Then there are the odd one: God Metal on Brayze - attracting cognitive shadows (It isn't raysium, is it?) Super special metal under the shattered plains - can hide from the gods, plus some weird interaction with their destructive powers... Are these two actually god metals? Are they god metals of Adonalsium? Can something like that exist? Am I missing something?
With the Taln thing I had a thought while reading WaT that what if Taln asked Cultivation to be unbreakable or something to that effect that helped him
i think if taln tried to off cultivation she must have put some kind of mark on him. And its usually more likely that people try that with a dawnshard. Both can help in the non breaking department, probably
I think in your talk in question 1, Brandon's modifier of "a few other instances here" is misunderstood here. I don't think he's referring to a few other location-based magics. But instead referring to a few other instances of destroyed shards having affects on magic systems that get self-corrected somehow. Examples would be Threnody, maybe also Komashi.
For a sufficiently large black hole, we don't think spaghettification would happen (not enough tidal forces) - so humans (or planets) could pass across the event horizon unharmed. If hawking radiation radiate investiture, you could toss braze in there and only get a return when the black hole evaporates enough of the investiture to comprise all the heralds (assuming such a thing happens). With the time dilation involved, that is a great cheat to buy a lot of time. Or even easier, just force things you don't like to get too close to a black hole and the time dilation buys you a ton of time (a la replicators from Stargate).
Spren bonding two people makes me think of the mechanics of Squires. It is a single Spren bonding to dozens of other people (just weaker since they can’t do the 2nd oath and more) I see no reason why you can’t have few people with higher oaths.
Possible reason why Adolin couldn't talk to Maya through the aluminum room, but stormlight could evaporate from an aluminum box: Maya was in the cognitive realm, which reflects the physical. But the spiritual doesn't reflect the physical, so transitioning to the spiritual allows it to ignore location entirely. You can't use Shadesmar to teleport without traversing distance in Shadesmar (it may be less distance, but you still have to travel it). But in the spiritual realm, location is meaningless.
On the black hole investiture thing, i think there's an interesting parallel there. Nightblood absorbs the investiture of everything it kills and is highly concentrated. Black hole forms when a given volume of spacetime has a great concentration of matter (Schwarz child radius) it essentially become "hole" in spacetime. Would that happen to nightblood ? Given its fixed volume as sword is there a critical point where its so invested it could become some kind of investiture singularity ? Not to mention the soul well on braize. If what ever is core is made of (Raisium?) was squished to it schwarz child radius then would the physical singularity be reflected in the cognitive realm ?Especially since Braize essentially acts like one (as close as could be experienced in a any way we've seen) Maybe even during SpaceBorn, with the discovery of what black holes are that concept would more analogous to what Brazie is
lol dang. Watching this you’d almost think Wind and Truth was an interesting end to the first half of a massive epic series, and while answering questions gave us a plethora of VERY interesting concepts and questions to chew on as we enter the back half of the series.
I mean, it can be true that there are very interesting things about the book, and implications, and that other people didn't really like the book as much as you? These aren't mutually exclusive. No need to be patronizing about it. -Eric
@ if we want to be disingenuous about the messaging about this book up until this point that’s fine. But but gaslighting me is pretty patronizing… and I’d say it describes pretty much how I’d describe the responses given to anyone that *DID* like the book over this past month…
I truly don't think any of my message was disingenuous. Yes, there are people who really did not like the book, or had strong issues. Those episodes are much more critique, and our usual episodes are not. This is not a mystery. What are you even talking about with me being disingenuous? Secondly, it's very obvious your original comment was meant to be a jab, so I think patronizing is accurate. Was it not a jab at the people who didn't like the book? -Eric
Lastly, I have repeatedly affirmed in the comments that it's totally fine for people to love the book, just as it's okay for others to not like it. Some people instead seem to want to say, "No, your point is wrong, and I'm right instead." It can be subjective! -Eric
@@17thShard to be honest. I don’t think you (Eric) were really amongst the patronizing comments. You’re generally the fairest amongst the crew. It was actually more of a general jab to the toxic anti Wind and Truth community in general… because now that it’s cool to not hate on the book anymore people seem to be quite excited to talk about it. The book is certainly not perfect, but there is a lot to be excited about, and I think the general commentary did a poor job of getting that across… and was unfair to the book. Even on earlier videos if someone liked the book in the comments, there has been minimal engagements… typically along the lines of “I’m glad you were able to enjoy it” (which I think is also a bit dismissive and patronizing in itself) But I saw the critiques before I read the book and a lot of the 17th Shard actively discouraged me from reading it…. And I came off of reading it as people had those right/wrong opinions. And I think the book is overcritized because people hyped up the things they wanted in the story. There were a lot of opinions that came from preconceived notions and unhappiness of theory resolution. But my opinion don’t mean anything anyway lol
What if the debatability about whether BAM can heal is about whether one should count it as healing. For example, if it is akin to Unmaking or Enlightening, then my impression is that it is more like a death with a twisted reïncarnation than a straight healing.
Brandon wants to emulate the /White Sand/ graphic novels in text very closely not solely in order to avoid breaking canon but also so that people do not need to buy another version of the same story. So, he cannot introduce too many new important points or lore, unless he does not actually consider that to be worth buying a book for.
I don't agree with the first Honor flashback being Devotion and Dominion..I think it makes more sense to be Ambition. We know Ambition died first, and we know that Mercy was also involved in that. They said that Rayse tricked Devotion and Dominion into fighting each other, and then he came in later and killed them both when they were weak. I think that would have happened over a longer period of time, especially since we know that they were not first
I think Stormlight can evaporate into the Spiritual but Adolin can‘t summon Maya from the Cognitive for the following reason: Imagine the aluminium encasing as a channel. Stormlight leaks, within this channel, first to the Cognitive Realm (while staying in the location of its encasing) and then to the Spiritual Realm. There, location doesn’t exist, so inside the encasing = outside the encasing. But while still in either the Physical or the Cognitive Realm, it is fully seperated from entities in the two by the walls of its channel. Now picture Adolin summoning Maya. She is not in the Spiritual but in the Cognitive Realm, where she is still being seperated from Adolin by this equivalent of a channel. If she were to head to the Spiritual Realm first, she could then enter the channel from there and transition back into the Cognitive (at the location of the inside of the room) and finally into the Physical Realm, right into Adolin‘s hand.
Re: Black Hole question. It is strange that Investiture can be trapped by a black hole. A lot of Invested entities can ignore gravity and float around (most spren, shades, seon, shards). Why are black holes special? Though maybe Investiture is affected the way light is, so a black hole would still work. Really, I don't see why General Relativity would be true in the cosmere. It has faster than light travel, so Einstein has to be wrong, but then again Sanderson worried about blueshift with cadmium bubbles so it has to be at least partially true.
Why is nobody asking if adonalsium was born from a black hole? It’s a super dense concentration of investiture say there for a long time…. It has a basically infinite access to energy and would certainly pierce the realms, if not be present in them.
If a black hole ate enough Heralds (or other Investiture) wouldn't it eventually become self aware? Self aware invested black hole is... Cool? terrifying? Both?
The kaladin in row discussion.... His plot had nothing to do with the sibling, you couldve easily set up his recovery journey and his confrontation with vyre and the defeated one anywhere
I totally understand a Kandra trying some childsize bonesets, don't have to be real bones. and I think theyll just try like todler for a couple of months and then immeadiately move on to lik a 7 year old, 14 and done, all within the span of like 3 years.
Eric pronouncing “Dun” like done made me realize I’ve never heard someone else pronounce it. I’ve always said it like dune in my head. That was very jarring
Hah! I think this one is a pronunciation I actually get correct, but there's plenty I do wrong and audiobook readers get on our case. Don't let us get in the way of your dreams, you should pronounce it however you want! -Eric
If you guys ever want a physics teacher to appear on the show to talk about black holes, I might be able to find you one. (That's a joke. I used to be a physics teacher. I know how to find me.)
This is the last of the weekly episodes, but hopefully you'll like our next two episodes regardless! -Eric
👊Booooooo 👎
Just fell to my knees in despair at work
Id rather have bi weekly episodes of good content for longer than for you guys to run out sometime midway through the gap!
Well, I'm not worried about running out of ideas. I am much more worried of the grind to record and edit every single week, which means there is very little flexibility.
Also, my college work starts... Tomorrow, so I need a break, heh. -Eric
@@17thShard How much of the grind is the editing? I know you can't just trust random people for editing, but theoretically if you could have a volunteer editor or two would that change anything about the amount of episodes you would do/want to do?
Seriously I love that Grace's role on this is to pitch wild hypotheticals like, "what if a black hole consumes enough investiture could it become a perpendicularity" and from a previous episode, "what if Dalinar yeeted Gavinor off the tower before he died" and I just can't get enough of it lol
Dude I have been loving this content - just discovered you guys after finishing WaT. Just started working through the backlog of content while waiting for more WaT stuff. Thank you to everyone for the time and effort
Thanks for the kind words and the Super Thanks! We are going back to biweekly for now, but the next two episodes are pretty fun WaT stuff! -Eric
Sel being location based for magic just makes me think of Dominion as Domains rather than Domination.
I could have sworn there was something about this being part of the reason for the location based massive
Iirc selfish magic is location based because the dor is in the cognitive realm, which has location, instead of the spiritual, which doesn’t
@@orm11videos26 my head canon is that if it wasnt Dominion it wouldnt be as pronounced
The magics being potentially somewhat culture-based also makes me think that the interplay between devotion and dominion is the reason its base on countries
Being devoted to a specific domain is what makes you capable of performing the magic
I’m still not sure where the symbols come into play
But then again, I’m not sure exactly what metals have to do with preservation and ruin directly, so what do I know
"Spiritual mumbo jumbo is stronger than cognitive mumbo jumbo" is my quote of the episode
Black Holes: Feed all of the shards to a black hole, wait for it to become sentient. Andolasium 2, etheric booglaoo.
I feel like there wasn't nearly enough discussion on the idea of Taln not breaking due to a dawnshard related reason. Taln seems extremely likely to have held a dawnshard. He tried to kill Cultivation, and we know of very few weapons capable of hurting a shard. We also know he was given a weapon by Kalak that he no longer possesses when he joined the Oathpact. We know a Dawnshard was involved in what happened on Ashyn. The likelihood of Taln having held a dawnshard is extremely high. If he did, what is his torment? A torment that makes it impossible for him to give in I think is very interesting (and likely!)
Very true and fair point! -Eric
Taln was born on Roshar according to the current canon but it’s still an interesting thought
@ I mentioned Ashyn primarily because it is likely that the Dawnshard made it's way to Roshar, and would make sense for it to be the 'weapon' that Kalak had.
Theory: Kalak gave Taln a dawnshard, and that was the weapon he used on Cultivation and lost. He can't break as his form of torment
A lot of people have been discussing this theory, but I have a feeling it introduces a plot hole since if Cultivation could make that someone’s Torment why didn’t she do it to all ten heralds and trap Odium on Braize for eternity
@mateodoris6856 i think the Dawnshard gave the torment irrespective of Cultivation. Like him holding it led to the torment, not him trying to kill Kor
I’m open to there being some weird shenanigans that made it so Taln couldn’t break, but my preference is just incredible force of will. Some people are not super pain motivated (apparently Brandon has some of that), some are stubborn to absurd levels, I’ve met both types, so I find it completely believable that you could have completely “normal” reasons for Taln just never giving up. I would prefer if the focus on Taln was examining how a “normal” person could become what he became, and how detrimental that could be elsewhere in life.
Complete refusal to budge is truly inspirational if you’re a German being tortured by nazis to give up the location of refugees, it’s far less laudable if it is sabotaging your relationships, and downright tragic if it’s a handful of isolated Japanese soldiers fighting their entire lives on islands for an authoritarian regime that surrendered decades ago.
I think Kaladin's magically induced depression and lack of Surges was the worldbuilding/plot taken from Rall Elorim and moved to Urithiru. Kal was probably going on a one-man Die Hard style mission of taking Rall Elorim back from Odium's control or something
Past the event horizon is Boundless Probability, sometimes referred to as Schrodinger's City - a land of mathematical probability that may or may not exist truthfully. This is the true homeland of the Cryptics.
Speaking of dawnshards just has me all the more fascinated about them and a possible connection to nightblood? I’ve always wondered if the command used to create nightblood was derived and/or inspired by a dawnshard.
Change/Exist/Destroy/Decay ? Nightblood was based off Destroy
1:02:20 as a guess, it's because summoning a blade requires sending information through the bond, and aluminum blocks that kind of information but not the transition itself. Also, Maya wasn't near enough to Adolin yet to know where he was - maybe if she was in the region of Shadesmar corresponding to the inside of the room, she wouldn't be blocked in the same way.
I can't believe everyone misses the easy answer for the Taln question. Taln didn't break because his insanity manifested in masochism. He was into it. Picture Bill Murray in "Little Shop of Horrors".
Yeah, that's definitely the other take I've seen. -Eric
I wonder if Taln’s lack of connection to odium prevented him from breaking
I just saw someone come up with a theory that the Un-made are splinters of the Heralds un-made by Odium. Taln not breaking would explain why there's 9 of them
Have you guys considered collaborating on a big Cosmere recap, post wind and truth? I think it would be very beneficial to hear some experts go through a bit of a recap and current state of the Cosmere 🤔
I can pass that along. A lot of work... We didn't end up doing Stormlight recaps before Wind and Truth came out. We'll see. Probably not soon. -Eric
@@17thShardYou have 10 years to decide.
@@17thShard I believe Captured in Words is working on summarizing major books in the cosmere, and will probably eventually do Wind and Truth. See his summaries for the first 3 books already completed (they’re quite long)
@17thShard Thanks for the consideration Eric, I know there is sooo much in this universe but I feel like there is a bigger story being told throughout the Cosemere that you have to be diligent to discover what and as someone who read mistborn way too long ago and hasn’t gotten to Sunlit Man I would love to hear someone try to take all these threads that have been left throughout the universe and sort of remind me of where we stand within that greater story that is unfolding. Way too many words but I Hope that makes a some small amount of sense! Thanks again!
Thank you for this, even Todium is absolutely saintlike compared to the real world today
1:34:15 I think the only "passive" god metals properties we know are raysium and bavadinium. Raysium conducts Investiture, and bavadinium repels it. All the other effects we've seen are from the Metallic Arts
For Taln not breaking, I always kinda read it as "He did break but the way he broke still managed to fulfill his function." Like, he broke but the broken pieces of Taln wedged themselves into the doorway of the Desolation, keeping it sealed even after he snapped
Agreed. All of the heralds are mad and broken, but the way in which Taln broke mentally made it impossible for him to break the pact.
Agree, his ability to break is entirely dependent on his ability to be sane enough to make the cohesive thoughts required to break. His madness threshold was lower than his breaking threshold.
Which is STILL insane to think about, that he managed to endure enough torture to go insane without breaking his oath in the process.
@@Buphido If your insane state reflects a critical component of who you were when you were lucid, this speaks extremely highly of who Taln is
I love that you didn't even dignify the is "shallan a kandra" RAFO with a mention, just went like: nah let's ignore that bit
1:37:11 It also occurs that Sequence had some enhancement thing going on - although I don't recall if it was more Herald-y or large Heightening-y.
The magic on Taldain is also kind of location based. It's mechanically very different to Selish magic, but I would guess that that's also the case for other location based magic systems because it's very difficult to mimic the mechanics on Sel.
I am curious. With some of you being Arcanists for Brandon, and many being beta/Gamma readers, I'm sure you come across *top secret information* that you keep your lips sealed about. My question is - if you the subject comes up on Shard cast, or you're given the opportunity to ask Brandon, are there times you ask questions regarding the subject even if *you* know the answer, just to help keep up appearances? Or do you start to avoid asking questions on topics you're already aware of so Brandon can do his thing?
I don't know if we can answer this in a way that doesn't invite people to scrutinize what we say even more.
That's fair! Question just popped in my head.
In the last shardcast with Brandon I noticed questions are asked mostly from a pool of questions.
Yes, for Shardcast interviews we spend hours creating, drafting, and prioritizing questions. There is a ton of prep work for those. -Eric
@1:38:00 i expected this to go in the direction of trellium also being made up of little beasties 😅
You know, the thought did cross my mind as I was listening to this...
1:20:46 I wonder if he’s just saying that as a workaround for conjoined twins being radiant?
1:03:38 That was my thought - that the minds of spren are too "cohesive," so to speak, to sublimate away as raw Stormlight does. And therefore, Maya couldn't get into an aluminum-encased room, for the same reason that a spren could not get out of an aluminum-encased gemstone.
Or there could be logistical differences between transferring between a Cognitive-Physical transfer, and a Physical-Spiritual transfer. I don't know.
I think that og Sel magic was location based only in regards to wich power tou could obtein, so someone from Arelon was restricted to some proto elantrian, but could use the powers beyond there. The death of the shards made it so the restriction got stronger
It is very fitting that Evgeni got that final WTCC answer
Re: Divison and Nahel bonds: I find it likely that an unbound Division surge could be used to split a Nahel bond, similar to how an unbound Bondsmith can do the crazy things Ishar did with his Honorblade. But even then, I don't think it could be a permanent break - at least not with the form of bond taken between Surgebinder and spren. It might take consistent Investiture to force the bond apart, but it would naturally mend once that Investiture dissipates. Otherwise, I suspect Nale would just have split the bonds of burgeoning Radiants instead of killing them (though perhaps, with his Ideals, he did not use his powers unbound as Ishar did).
The way Division is described is very similar to soulcasting with having to convince the cognative aspect of the object to think of itself in a different way.
If you could use Division to break a Nahel bond then you could theoretically use soulcasting to create one.
I personally don't think this makes sense and would fall in the camp of Division not working for this purpose.
@Obzerver Where is Division described this way?
@@godminnette2 Wind and Truth Chapter 45
When Szeth is using Division on the roof:
"Division wasn't so different from the other arts. With Soulcasting, you needed to persuade, cajole, or - if you were particularly skilled - command. A Stoneward instead had to know the stone, become kin to it.
With Division, the art of Dusbringing, you gave a spark - and controlled the reaction. The results could be explosive. If you were careful, they could also be precise. Today, the fires he started were tiny, practically invisible. He convinced the single-stone rooftop that it was instead made up of many, many stones. Tiny ones. Barely connected."
I feel that the aviars mimic the metallic arts at least as much as they do surgebinding, but via Nahel mechanics.
In terms of was Elantris pre or post shattering there is a way for it to be based on the shape of Arelon and pre shattering. It’s been a while since I’ve read Mist born but when Vin was had the power of the shard shaping the land was a trivial thing. And was crucial to how the land was eventually healed. So it’s possible that one of the original shards shaped the land first and set the magic to be location based as Elantris was built. It’s also possible that early Elantrians knew this and updated the Aeons accordingly but this knowledge was either lost to time or even when the shards were lost.
Either way it’s still possible that Elantris is a Dawn city. Which would be super cool. But would also make sense if it’s not
Rall Elorim has a very similar name to Urithiru’s original name in The Way of Kings Prime, maybe the sibling was somehow hiding there instead?
Taln threshold for doing the washing up was higher than any other heralds. He'll look in that kitchen and just not see any problems.
17:00 Why do you assume that the shape comes from the Aons and not the other way round?
God metals we know of and their special properties (besides possibles uses in the 3 metallic arts):
Lerasium - grand access to investiture (this may be its special property AND its allomantic power, as far as we know)
(Pure) Atium - inducing wild speculations in the fandom
Raysium - an investiture conductor
Harmonium - can replicate in a more powerful way active uses of metallic arts (and maybe other arts) around it
"Trellium" - can repel other god metals/investiture and it can possibly separate mixed investiture
"Tanavastium" and "Koravellium" - we don't know, we only saw them in honorblades, shardblades and shardplates
Then there are the odd one:
God Metal on Brayze - attracting cognitive shadows (It isn't raysium, is it?)
Super special metal under the shattered plains - can hide from the gods, plus some weird interaction with their destructive powers...
Are these two actually god metals? Are they god metals of Adonalsium? Can something like that exist?
Am I missing something?
With the Taln thing I had a thought while reading WaT that what if Taln asked Cultivation to be unbreakable or something to that effect that helped him
i think if taln tried to off cultivation she must have put some kind of mark on him. And its usually more likely that people try that with a dawnshard. Both can help in the non breaking department, probably
I think in your talk in question 1, Brandon's modifier of "a few other instances here" is misunderstood here. I don't think he's referring to a few other location-based magics. But instead referring to a few other instances of destroyed shards having affects on magic systems that get self-corrected somehow. Examples would be Threnody, maybe also Komashi.
For a sufficiently large black hole, we don't think spaghettification would happen (not enough tidal forces) - so humans (or planets) could pass across the event horizon unharmed. If hawking radiation radiate investiture, you could toss braze in there and only get a return when the black hole evaporates enough of the investiture to comprise all the heralds (assuming such a thing happens). With the time dilation involved, that is a great cheat to buy a lot of time.
Or even easier, just force things you don't like to get too close to a black hole and the time dilation buys you a ton of time (a la replicators from Stargate).
You know, I kinda liked my theory that Taln is actually a masochist but yours are better
1:02:25 yeah I had the same question when reading W&T. Like it seemed weird and felt very much a plot requirement. Idk
Spren bonding two people makes me think of the mechanics of Squires. It is a single Spren bonding to dozens of other people (just weaker since they can’t do the 2nd oath and more) I see no reason why you can’t have few people with higher oaths.
Possible reason why Adolin couldn't talk to Maya through the aluminum room, but stormlight could evaporate from an aluminum box: Maya was in the cognitive realm, which reflects the physical. But the spiritual doesn't reflect the physical, so transitioning to the spiritual allows it to ignore location entirely. You can't use Shadesmar to teleport without traversing distance in Shadesmar (it may be less distance, but you still have to travel it). But in the spiritual realm, location is meaningless.
On the black hole investiture thing, i think there's an interesting parallel there.
Nightblood absorbs the investiture of everything it kills and is highly concentrated. Black hole forms when a given volume of spacetime has a great concentration of matter (Schwarz child radius) it essentially become "hole" in spacetime.
Would that happen to nightblood ? Given its fixed volume as sword is there a critical point where its so invested it could become some kind of investiture singularity ?
Not to mention the soul well on braize. If what ever is core is made of (Raisium?) was squished to it schwarz child radius then would the physical singularity be reflected in the cognitive realm ?Especially since Braize essentially acts like one (as close as could be experienced in a any way we've seen)
Maybe even during SpaceBorn, with the discovery of what black holes are that concept would more analogous to what Brazie is
1:53:52 As the person that wrote Shmone’s article, I feel the need to defend her name. The more times you type it out the better it sounds, I promise.
What if Taln's twist is that he thinks he deserves to be punished and that's why he never broke
“we saw it on the documentary Interstellar”
I love you guys! hahaha
lol dang. Watching this you’d almost think Wind and Truth was an interesting end to the first half of a massive epic series, and while answering questions gave us a plethora of VERY interesting concepts and questions to chew on as we enter the back half of the series.
I mean, it can be true that there are very interesting things about the book, and implications, and that other people didn't really like the book as much as you? These aren't mutually exclusive. No need to be patronizing about it. -Eric
@ if we want to be disingenuous about the messaging about this book up until this point that’s fine.
But but gaslighting me is pretty patronizing… and I’d say it describes pretty much how I’d describe the responses given to anyone that *DID* like the book over this past month…
I truly don't think any of my message was disingenuous. Yes, there are people who really did not like the book, or had strong issues. Those episodes are much more critique, and our usual episodes are not. This is not a mystery. What are you even talking about with me being disingenuous?
Secondly, it's very obvious your original comment was meant to be a jab, so I think patronizing is accurate. Was it not a jab at the people who didn't like the book? -Eric
Lastly, I have repeatedly affirmed in the comments that it's totally fine for people to love the book, just as it's okay for others to not like it. Some people instead seem to want to say, "No, your point is wrong, and I'm right instead." It can be subjective! -Eric
@@17thShard to be honest. I don’t think you (Eric) were really amongst the patronizing comments. You’re generally the fairest amongst the crew. It was actually more of a general jab to the toxic anti Wind and Truth community in general… because now that it’s cool to not hate on the book anymore people seem to be quite excited to talk about it.
The book is certainly not perfect, but there is a lot to be excited about, and I think the general commentary did a poor job of getting that across… and was unfair to the book. Even on earlier videos if someone liked the book in the comments, there has been minimal engagements… typically along the lines of “I’m glad you were able to enjoy it” (which I think is also a bit dismissive and patronizing in itself)
But I saw the critiques before I read the book and a lot of the 17th Shard actively discouraged me from reading it…. And I came off of reading it as people had those right/wrong opinions. And I think the book is overcritized because people hyped up the things they wanted in the story. There were a lot of opinions that came from preconceived notions and unhappiness of theory resolution.
But my opinion don’t mean anything anyway lol
Gravitation unbound by Honor should theoretically be able to make mini blackholes
Oh no, this would mean that you could create a fabrial that dumps a massive amount of investiture to gravitation. Creating a gravitation bomb...
What if the debatability about whether BAM can heal is about whether one should count it as healing. For example, if it is akin to Unmaking or Enlightening, then my impression is that it is more like a death with a twisted reïncarnation than a straight healing.
It is called the city of shadows for cryptic reasons? That must mean there's a lot of light weavers there
Brandon wants to emulate the /White Sand/ graphic novels in text very closely not solely in order to avoid breaking canon but also so that people do not need to buy another version of the same story. So, he cannot introduce too many new important points or lore, unless he does not actually consider that to be worth buying a book for.
I don't agree with the first Honor flashback being Devotion and Dominion..I think it makes more sense to be Ambition. We know Ambition died first, and we know that Mercy was also involved in that. They said that Rayse tricked Devotion and Dominion into fighting each other, and then he came in later and killed them both when they were weak. I think that would have happened over a longer period of time, especially since we know that they were not first
Somehow two hours feels short 😂
I think Stormlight can evaporate into the Spiritual but Adolin can‘t summon Maya from the Cognitive for the following reason:
Imagine the aluminium encasing as a channel. Stormlight leaks, within this channel, first to the Cognitive Realm (while staying in the location of its encasing) and then to the Spiritual Realm. There, location doesn’t exist, so inside the encasing = outside the encasing. But while still in either the Physical or the Cognitive Realm, it is fully seperated from entities in the two by the walls of its channel.
Now picture Adolin summoning Maya. She is not in the Spiritual but in the Cognitive Realm, where she is still being seperated from Adolin by this equivalent of a channel. If she were to head to the Spiritual Realm first, she could then enter the channel from there and transition back into the Cognitive (at the location of the inside of the room) and finally into the Physical Realm, right into Adolin‘s hand.
Have you ever read Hyperion? It all leads back to love.
Why does Stormlight not fall to the center of Roshar if it is affected by gravity?
Well, presumably the same reason smoke rises. Things can still float and be influenced by gravity! -Eric
Absolutely GOATed cast.
Do we know what Adonalsium's god metal was? Would it just be... adonalsium?
Re: Black Hole question. It is strange that Investiture can be trapped by a black hole. A lot of Invested entities can ignore gravity and float around (most spren, shades, seon, shards). Why are black holes special?
Though maybe Investiture is affected the way light is, so a black hole would still work. Really, I don't see why General Relativity would be true in the cosmere. It has faster than light travel, so Einstein has to be wrong, but then again Sanderson worried about blueshift with cadmium bubbles so it has to be at least partially true.
Why is nobody asking if adonalsium was born from a black hole? It’s a super dense concentration of investiture say there for a long time…. It has a basically infinite access to energy and would certainly pierce the realms, if not be present in them.
Cadia broke before the guard
Could Chiri-Chiri eat Nightblood?😂
If a black hole ate enough Heralds (or other Investiture) wouldn't it eventually become self aware?
Self aware invested black hole is... Cool? terrifying? Both?
1:11:55 Brandon Sanderson! You have failed THIS CITY!
The kaladin in row discussion.... His plot had nothing to do with the sibling, you couldve easily set up his recovery journey and his confrontation with vyre and the defeated one anywhere
Nightblood was made from/ is a dawnshard in an aluminum sheath
Kings and princesses are royalty, not nobility
Eh, I think royalty can be considered a subset of nobility, but there seems to be some disagreement on that as I did a quick Googling. -Eric
God metals are investiture? Atium effected by gravity. Thus gravity can effect investiture
Do we know about, or has anyone ever as, if there ist more land on roshar, Like another continent? Ecept of this stuff with sailing into the storm
*asked
I totally understand a Kandra trying some childsize bonesets, don't have to be real bones. and I think theyll just try like todler for a couple of months and then immeadiately move on to lik a 7 year old, 14 and done, all within the span of like 3 years.
21:59 no it's not. That's a myth.
Eric pronouncing “Dun” like done made me realize I’ve never heard someone else pronounce it. I’ve always said it like dune in my head. That was very jarring
Hah! I think this one is a pronunciation I actually get correct, but there's plenty I do wrong and audiobook readers get on our case. Don't let us get in the way of your dreams, you should pronounce it however you want! -Eric
#talnshotfirst
If you guys ever want a physics teacher to appear on the show to talk about black holes, I might be able to find you one.
(That's a joke. I used to be a physics teacher. I know how to find me.)
If anything, the thing I might need is someone who's done like graduate level GR -Eric
@@17thShard You work at a college ....
Not one with grad physics programs :P -Eric