Chevy copper cooled engine 134.7
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- Today on what it’s like this was to be chevys new big great idea, coming off the back of their overhead valve V8 design.. designed by Charles Kettering, the same guy who founded Delco.
 really interesting engine that never caught on due to having multiple issues and being rushed to Market.. enjoy this episode
My corvair(s) thank you. We have always known of this.
As a retired (sometimes automotive) engineer, this is a classic example of the boss having a pet idea that he cannot let go of.
The Chevy Vega's 140 CID aluminum block engine is Exhibit A of that trait. It was a beautiful theory on paper and that was good enough for Ed Cole at GM. Had the original Cosworth engine been put in as intended and the rust problems addressed in a timely fashion, the Vega would've been a real winner.
I had a project where I asked my boss please don’t…it failed before it’ll fail again…and it failed
@@kylejuve5494 ...was the project "build a vehicle out of stainless steel"? 🙃
The ultimate story of that is of the zip 22 took a very successful manufacture of reproduction single action army revolvers and bankrupt the company
@@BlackPill-pu4vi If they had developed an aluminum head to match the thermal expansion of the aluminum block - AND - used cast iron cylinder liners (duh) they would have had a great little car !! Also check the box for the all aluminum 3.5 V8 in the GM parts bin. BTW We had a Dodge Dart convertible new '69 that had rear 1/4 panel rust thru in 6 Years. Dad glued in cardboard and a bit of Rust-Oleum and made the holes disappear.
Kettering also designed electric start, auto ac, Freon , Zephyr diesel electric locomotive which replaced steam engines.
Genius.
Thanks, l never knew what DELCO stood for 😊
Finding missing links =)
I enjoyed the information, _DELCO, Dayton Engineering Laboratories, Co._
I've seen the name Delco since a child, so I learned something today!
I’m happy you learned something.. I really think it’s awesome when I’m able to find a missing link like that information
Look at the Deutz Air cooled Diesel, they are Iconic and they run everywhere, all the time and always. There is almost nothing better.
@@Mikepet I'll have to look into that engine
Having worked in the service department of a Cadillac dealership during the mid-80's, I can tell you that the V8-6-4 was virtually trouble-free and was more reliable than any V8 which Cadillac was using at that time. In the 1981 Cadillac line of Fleetwood, DeVille, Seville and El Dorado, the V8-6-4 was the most common engine. All 4 of these car lines could have had the Olds 5.7 Diesel. Although improvements had been made in the Diesel, people were burned out on them and we never saw that many. In the Seville and El Dorado, the 350 Olds EFI gas engine was available. Some of the models were available with the Buick 4.1L V6, which was troublesome, and in the RWD cars was mated to GM's new TH200-4R overdrive automatic. Based on a bad-designed TH200C automatic, the TH200-4R had some serious teething problems. GM liked to use it's customers for R&D.
OK, here's the problem with the Cadillac V8-6-4, when in the 6cyl. mode, the engine was seriously out of balance and had an uncomfortable vibration. When in the V8 or V4 mode, the engine was smooth as silk. The other car manufacturers were watching, looking for ways to match the government's fleet fuel economy requirements. The so-called modulated displacement system is alive and well today, used on pushrod V8's by GM and Mopar. The difference is, they only use an 8 or 4 cyl. mode.
Working in the Cadillac service dept., we made a career out of working on Cadillacs with the HT4100 V8 and the TH200-R4. I watched for a low mileage V8-6-4 engine in a 4dr. sedan to come along and a nice one did. I got it for my parents and they loved it. It served them well for many years, never breaking down. My parents are both gone now, but the Caddy is not. It's parked in my driveway.
It's nice you still have their car..
The 368,was the last of a great platform of the 425,472,and,500 Cadillac engines,the 4.1,were such a major let down,then it was greatly improved,as the 4.5,and lastly as the 4.9.It always seemed in the late seventies,and more so in the eighties that GM was in such a hurry to get a design to the dealers that still were not fully tested that by the time they got in right that most customers were so put off they wouldn't take another chance on another GM car and to me that was a shame, because GM could have built a really good and dependable car but in the Roger Smith years they were so cost driven that their quality took a pretty fair hit,and to me that was a shame.
Thank you so much for taking the time to share all of that information as well as insight greatly appreciate it
@@What.its.like. By the way,I got wrapped up in the Cad thing but the piece on the Chevrolet Copper Cool was as always very well done,Jay,and great work.
A big problem with the 8-6-4 and Diesel was also that nobody outside of the dealer knew how to work on them and likely caused more problems than they solved.
The bean counters started the problems with the diesel with under spec'd head bolts and mechanics didn't realize they should be replaced when the head gaskets went. Add poor fuel and no filter/water separate and you just had problems. By the end they were a good engine but as you said, people were just burnt out.
@@cobra02411 There was nothing really special about the V8-6-4 as it was basically a traditional Cadillac engine. Added to it were 4 solenoids under the valve covers and a control unit under the dash. If people didn't like it, the modulated displacement feature could be disabled in 30 seconds or less. The digital fuel injection also came with a full bi-directional built-in scanning and diagnostic system. Every sensor could be read in real time from the climate control panel. The modulated displacement feature could be actuated in any mode from the mileage monitor panel.
Everything you would want to know about the entire car was available in the 1981 factory workshop manual. For the aftermarket, Mitchell had most everything listed starting with their published 1982 workshop manual.
Because of the tall valve covers, engine repairs were a bit more difficult, especially changing the right-rear spark plug. But, the great thing was they needed few repairs outside of regular normal servicing. One of the most reliable Cadillacs of the era. 1982 and later Caddies had way more problems, from stem to stern.
You want to talk about mechanics doing improper repairs to a Caddy, take the 1976 to 1979 Sevilles with the Olds EFI 350 V8. I'd seen more damage done to the EFI system, especially the fuel pressure regulator.
WYR: The Cadillac V 8-6-4 and the Vega aluminum engine (especially in Cosworth's original form). Both would have truly revolutionized power and efficiency at a time both were truly needed. We eventually got there, but it took years. Great episode as always, thanks for all you do ~ Chuck
Yeah, my Honda van has an iteration of cylinder deactivation.. we just got new to us 2011 Honda Odyssey touring elite. It is the nicest vehicle that I’ve ever owned. lol Fully loaded. We have a 2006 EXL as well that I’ve never done episodes for either of them I’m going to do a comparison but I’m actually kind of a little bit disappointed with the gas mileage of the 2011 it has cylinder deactivation direct injection it claims 28 miles to the gallon on the highway but I never got that out of it. I got 24 mpg hwy which I feel is eh there were cars wagons in the 50s that got better gas milage
Happy you dig this episode great choices
I would have liked to see the GM rotary engine, and see it power the 4-rotor Corvette prototype (except see it in production, of course) as well as the AMC Pacer and Chevrolet Monza, (et al) which were designed around it. I think GM had the resources to perfect this drivetrain that Mazda and NSU didn't have.
A great engine episode, Jay! I'm sure not many people knew about this engine.
I would have liked to see the Pontiac OHC 6 engine succeed.
That was a cool engine
The Sprint engine, especially!
Interesting, @mike, I'd forgotten about that.
Funny thing is, if they hadn't dropped that engine so quickly, it likely would have gotten far more use in th 70's as it offered decent performance for an I-6 and would have helped GM's fuel economy standards they badly needed. Yeah, they had the chevy 6, but this had more performance potential from the start and would have been popular in their larger cars as a base engine.
In the late 1940s, amid speculation that 300-octane aviation gas would be readily available at every corner gas station in the country, Olds built an experimental super-high compression six (standard Olds six displacement with compression about 16:1 if I remember correctly) that proved better-than-adequate in every measure of performance and durability, and that it delivered better than 36 miles per gallon. Had the petroleum companies delivered that tantalizing brew, it could have been the next great engine. On the other hand, we saw how converting a gasoline Olds engine to a super-high compression engine worked out with the Olds Diesel.
The Oakland Horizontal valve V8 was an intriguing concept with the flat-plane crank, could have been much better with a cross-plane crank.
The V8-6-4 was just another example why GM engines of that period were crap, except for the even-fire Buick 231 and 252 cubic inch V6s.
If the Chevy copper-cooled engines had made it to market in any significant numbers they could have destroyed GM with warranty claims over dissimilar metals corrosion.
The Wankel rotary must have really been a turd if GM bought the tooling for the odd-fire Buick V6 back for use in the Skyhawk and Starfire from Kaiser/AMC. As we know, the AMC Pacer was originally designed around a Wankel to have been sourced from GM, but GM axed development of the Wankel due to insurmountable engineering challenges. The odd-fire 225 cube V6, had it been available to AMC, could have powered the Pacer without the hasty and extensive redesign to the firewall and running gear to allow for use of the AMC 232 and 258 inline sixes.
GM produced the 231 odd-fire for less than a year while the engineers worked out the bugs and evened out the firing order. The odd-fire V6 found its way into the compact rear-drive Skylark, the Skyhawk and Starfire Vega/Monza clones, the Century/Special, and the Dreadnought-class '75-'76 LeSabres before the split throw crank reached full development.
The Olds Diesel could have been a contender, but one of the Murphy's Laws corollaries states that once a project is fouled up, any attempt to correct the problems will only make things worse.
The 1918 OHV V8 looks pretty good alongside any of the others listed.
Hi Jay! Thanks for covering the Copper Cooled Chevy! Too bad they couldn't make it work. It might have been something really outstanding if it had. The engine I would have liked to see succeed was the Viking/Oakland V-8, at that time, only Ford and Cadillac/LaSalle had V-8 engines besides Viking/Oakland. Would have been interesting if Olds had taken the Oakland version of this engine and made an Olds V-8 in 1933/34.
Is this the engine that was used on the larger Delco Light Plants?
Not sure
With hindsight it looks like a diabolical solution which cost more than the problem it was meant to fix. But you have to admire the lateral thinking! 👍🏻
It works for Porsche and VW beetles.
Some Delco light plants had copper cooled cylinders. A very similar 4-cylinder air cooled design would also be used in a Delco light plant, but with traditional cast fins.
Oh wow- we're in for some real treats soon!
I wish the Olds diesel would have developed into a good engine. It wasn't so much a bad concept but the details let it down badly and it could never have made the power a more suitable engine block would have given. Europe had (and still has) some great diesel cars with plenty of power, but the failure of this one engine soured the average car buyer in the US who really didn't understand them on all diesels.
There are a few 5.7 diesels still in use. They got great fuel economy. The last series was reliable and some aftermarket upgrades help. The acceleration is slow, but they cruise well. The concept wasn't absolutely flawed, but compared to Mercedes 300TD they were lacking - also very slow.
It was crap because the castings weren't engineered for diesel operation.
The 7.3 idi was a gas engine block converted to diesel
The vw 1.9tdi was a gas engine converted to diesel.
I would have loved to see the Oldsmobile 350 diesel succeed. The fact that you could have a full size 2 ton land barge with the aerodynamics of a brick without overdrive getting 30 plus miles per gallon on the highway was incredible and if the technology had been refined and advanced it would have most likely performed much better toward the 1990s and beyond. The durability issues had mostly been resolved by 1985 when it was canceled.
I owned a 1980 Olds 98 with a Goodwrench 350 diesel in it which was the warranty replacement engine. That car without overdrive would get 32 to 34 miles per gallon on the highway, and it would get well over 20 miles per gallon around town.
Granted, it wasn't going to win any races, but neither would pretty much anything else during the malaise era.
II Know There's an Answer by the Beach Boys? I'd like to have a Tucker air cooled and the Tucker car to go with it! Good engine episode.
It’s a beach boy song from pet sounds not that song though
Awesome choice
the Delco light plants used a similar reverse airflow and the was a four cylinder model all very similar to this so did they maybe move the technology down to another division of Delco?
Never knew very interesting thanks Jay enjoyed it
I can't believe all I have learned from your videos!!!
Thank you so much happy you learn something from these
I love this channel. You provide information I didn’t know I wanted to know.
Thank you happy you dig the channel =)
There were 7 1920 air cooled cars built prototype. In the last 5 years there was a fellow in the chev club near Leamington Ontario Canada. He was in his 90s selling all his toys. He had a 1920 proto type air-cooled were he said there was 7 built. His shell was complete engine was apart. I think it sold in us. He had a 1918 v8 aswell
I used to have an '81 Cadillac Seville with the 8-6-4 engine. It worked flawlessly. That is, until someone borrowed my Caddy and whooped it mercilessly trying to do donuts and burnouts with it. She killed the transmission, somehow locking it into second gear permanently. After that, the ECM could not detect overdrive and activate the 8-6-4- system. I was too broke to get it fixed and had to drive it as is. One night I had to get somewhere in a damn hurry, and had to get on the interstate. 70 Mph, in second. It was not the engine that let go. It was the water pump. The pump shaft snapped and the fan pushed itself forward into the radiator and allowing the belts to go slack. Naturally the belts wrapped around the crank pulley and started flailing around (along with the fan) ripping out the radiator hoes, transmission lines and any wiring that were in the way.
OH. The person who borrowed the car, who I later discovered was an alcoholic and a stoner, argued with me about how no car could be front wheel drive that had an engine that sat longitudinally. Because "Such a thing does not exist" and "My brother (a crackhead) is a mechanic. He told me" So she was trying to do burnouts and donuts in a fwd car, and tried to get the rear-end to kick out until the transmission cooked.
I'm so sorry that happened to you. Thank you so much for sharing that story with those memories even though it's not really a good story, the lady destroyed your car...
I would liked to have seen GM pursue the rotary engine. Also, the Pontiac OHC 6 was a good engine that could have been made longer than it was. Charles Kettering blamed himself for the copper cooled engine failure and almost resigned from GM. Fortunately he didnt, because he is responsible for valuable automotive advances, including more durable paints and the use of leaded gasoline for its antiknock and improved performance properties. Of course, he is well known for his development of the self starter (1912 Cadillac). He was an automotive pioneer/genius who helped to build the country.
There was a project with which John DeLorean became involved, before he went to GM, that is a footnote in automotive history, one of the companies involved today is prosperous, the other is defunct:
Porsche type 542/Studebaker project Z-87.
Porsche approached Studebaker in the early 1950s and, long story short, built two related but different design 3-liter V6 engines one water-cooled and the other air-cooled. They built at least one prototype four-door sedan around the engine and, while the prototype proved problematic, it had potential to give Porsche a stronger presence in the US market under the Studebaker name.
The car was front-engine, rear drive, built largely around Studebaker running gear and suspension, and bore more than passing resemblance to the production '53 Studebakers.
This was about the time Packard bought Studebaker, and Packard junior engineer DeLorean panned the design because the market for small cars in the US was limited, the prototype was not as rigid as it would need to be, and the 120-degree V6 was not as smooth as a V8 and it was not compatible with Studebaker's foundry and tooling set-up.
None of these problems was insurmountable, but Studebaker-Packard's finances weren't up to the investment needed to make the Z-87 marketable.
Another automotive engine I knew nothing about. Thanks for posting this Jay, I always learn something. I would have liked to see the Oldsmobile Diesel succeed.. At the time gasoline was very expensive and in short supply, and it seemed the Diesel was very promising. You could run them on home-heating oil which was much cheaper that either Diesel fuel or gasoline. As everyone knows, the Olds Diesel was very poorly executed.
Thanks very much your 👍 the Oldsmobile diesel !! ❤ the engine have a few !!
Happy you did this video
It’s sad that the old diesel engine didn’t work out
It's interesting that the cooling system suffers from an extremely obvious flaw, in that the cooling air is drawn up from the bottoms of the cylinders then over the heads... so that that the heads which need the most cooling, get the least cooling effect, and somehow this doesn't seem to have bothered Kettering. The early IHC air-cooled engines ONLY have the head fan cooled, just for example, and Franklin of course did the logical thing with the fan blasting air over the cylinder heads, and then it flows down around the bottoms of the cylinders.
Seems like it’d distribute the air better too. When blowing the air top down it would be easier to add some baffles to divert the air more evenly.
Pulling air up you’re more at the mercy of wherever it comes from. Would likely pull a lot of air around the first 2 cylinders and not much around the back 2.
The Olds diesel was decent. I had one that incorporated all the fixes to the problem areas. It was a Goodwrench replacement. It outlasted the car which rusted to its death.
The Olds diesel wasn’t to big a failure when you can consider you could convert them to gas burning engine with not much cost, which yielded a pretty good runner with a bulletproof bottom end and it skirted the California’s smog check because it was registered as a diesel the were exempt at the time. I converted a few of them and one I know of the guy drove it more than 15 years before he sold it .
At 4:1 compression ratio, they had problems with combustion knocking? What kind of fuel were they using, kerosene?
Gasoline back then would have been well under 80 Octane. Probably between 60 and 75.
Compression was low because quality of gas wasn’t good.. farmers could also make their own gas if they wanted to, from corn
Very cool looking engine, thats for sure.
The V-8-6-4 was the closest to successful in that the basic 368 non variable displacement engine used in the 1980 Cadillac was a great engine. The only problems with the v8,6,4 edition were that the sensors and computer were not up to standards back then. If it had come out with today’s computer technology, it would likely have succeeded and had a great reputation.
Great information
The ecu was originally 1mhz. By 81/82 computers had gotten faster so the replacement ecus were 4.77 mhz. Id guess that helped. Alittle.😁. I'd guess the 4.77 mhz had better data rate and other improvements. Still wasnt perfect.
I would have very much liked to see the GM Wankel Rotary engine succeed because AMC had originally arranged to buy GM Wankels for use in the Pacer. That is a car I would like to see. One of my dreams is to someday engine swap a Mazda Wankel and 4 or 5 speed transmission into a ‘75-‘77 Pacer, just to see how much better or worse it might have been.
Oddly enough, AMC ended up building the perfect engine for that car in house but it was a few years too late. The 2.5L jeep 4cyl made probably about the same numbers as GMs wankel would have and likely would have fit under the hood better than the i6 did. That engine just went into production too late. Thats the swap id like to try in a pacer
Ther's very little about the GM Wankel rotary engine and why it failed. I remember to read about it as being the first choice for the AMC Gremlin project, which of course didn't happened, but that's all I've got. This should be very interesting!
I was putting the wankel engine episode together, but I keep running into problems with it
More or less, where do I draw the line? Do I talk about the twin rotor as well? I was going to leave Mazda out of it for the most part because Mazda perfected that engine if you could call it perfected…
There were tons of companies that license that engine I wanted to touch upon the major ones like AMC was thinking about putting it in pacer or gremlin, Kawasaki and Suzuki put the rotor engine on motorcycles. It’s a really cool interesting concept and one day there will be an episode on it maybe a couple different different ones
Gm rotary any rotary. I want to play with one
@@What.its.like. In 2015 I bought from Amazon this used book from Silver Arch bookstore called 'The Wankel Engine' by Jan P. Norbye, printed in 1971 by Chilton books. I don't know if it's hard to find but there's a lot of information in it. Good luck!
It seems that no matter how many car related shows I watch or how many car shows I go to , I rarely if ever seem to see another 71 Riviera . Are they that rare in the wild or something? I've only seen one other one and that was probably 25-30 years ago in a used car lot or rusted away in a field somewhere . I go to car shows in 4 different states here in New England and I've never seen another, not even at the Nationals .
Though it's the biggest car I've ever owned after always having hot rods I really enjoy it and with the suspension work I've done , it handles pretty respectable now. I know it garners allot of attention at the car shows . Most folks say they have never seen one before either, except for a few old timers like me. Then they say it was years & years ago.
To bad mice and squirrels got into it this last Winter and totaled the interior so now I'm gathering up everything to have it all 100% redone inside. The body restoration was done over the last few years in my spare time and until this happened it was winning trophies pretty regular. Sadly the upholstery shop can't get to it till Fall so what little I do drive it now , is with the interior pretty much stripped to metal with just a front seat , the door panels and package tray undamaged and in place , the rest is toast.
With that 455 it sure does get hot in there, that's for sure , especially sense I did away with the A/C,,,at least for now !!
If… when I find a 71 rivera I will cover it I’ve been looking for the boat tail Rivera’s
@@What.its.like. So it seems even as much as we both are around the classic car seine neither of us has seen one either?
A few years back at the Nationals I was told that mine was the only one registered in New England, if that's true , I don't know ?
I've never seen another one other than mine and I go to some pretty big shows.
I f you don't find a 71 Boat Tail , once I get mine back together you can do mine if VT is convenient for you.
I had a Oldsmobile diesel 350. They were not a bad engine. If you corrected the problems they had ARP head studs and a really high end water separator pro head gaskets and you didn’t expect anything more out of it than what a Chevy 305 could put out and the engine would give you good service for many years.
One of those engines is in the speedway motors museum in Lincoln, Nebraska
There’s one in the Ford museum.
I have a friend at the Hudson show. He has a green 4 door Hornet. The tag on reads Green Hornet and Green Hornet stickers on the two back side windows.
That’s awesome. I only went up there for one day I went up for Wednesday. They had a Nash air flyte there. I really wanted to do that but I couldn’t find the owner know the owners were next to their cars, so consequently, I only got to do two cars that were there
The olds diesel. It was rushed into production before all the bugs were worked out
Like most GM engines.
I know it’s not a GM or Chevrolet engine but I would have loved to been able to mess around with a sleeve valve engine. I really like them a lot.
Those are super interesting and will be a lost engine form.. in a few secedes even now if you have one it's hard to find someone who works on those
Cool! An L-29 Cord! Can't wait!
Yeah that was a pretty cool car
Recently saw a beautiful example in the magnificent Gasoline Alley museum in Calgary, Canada. What a machine.
whoa, man that's alot of time that the engineers had to develop concepts. this man had great success with olds diesel and would buy more if available. i had a 1979 olds cutlass salon 2 door with a olds 260 diesel, five speed manual transmission, bucket seats, rallye instruments that ran 2000000 miles@ 42mpg. but i really wanted to bring up oakland V8. i notice a big similarity between oakland V8 and cord V8 in the placement of the valves and the two plane cylinder head. so curious in that one engine is revered and the other reviled, yet they must have had common design work. did lycoming pick up that engine from gm when they dropped it? there must be a story in this. food for thought. thank you for your efforts, i for one an inspired by you channel.
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I’m not sure if lycoming picked that engine up, thank you for sharing all that insight and information
1 failed GM engine design I would like to hear more about is the Olds V5 Diesel. it seems someone thought it was a good idea to whack off 1 cylinder from a V6, convert it to diesel and put the turbo in the empty space at the front of the block!
Awesome I’ll have to see if I can find information on that
After the copper cooled engine failed as a car engine, Chevy called the Delco people and they repurposed the engines as generators, light plants as they were called back in the day
Great information =)
Hey man just found your channel love these forgotten engines man 😊
Hey welcome to the community, and I’m the real J =)
I love keeping automotive history alive
@@What.its.like. me too trying to revive one piece at a time 😁
I take the V864,sure I would disconect the deactivation system ,I know it works cause I owned one.
Awesome
Just think of it had been cast iron and finned as part of the casting it may have worked well
Olds 350 diesel. It was SOOO close
I wonder how he "welded" copper to the cylinders. Solder would melt under that heat so there must have been a different way.
Fun fact, all the copper cooled Chevy cars that could be located, whether new or sold, were taken back by GM, loaded onto barges, and dumped into the great lakes... Where they remain today.....
Not true. The owner or Thermon in San Marcos TX has one on a test stand in his private car collection.
How about a proper development of the Vega 2.3L engine, maybe with cylinder liners & alloy crossflow head. This would have been better than the Iron Puke
Sweet choice
A neighbor of mine bought a 78 halfton olds deiesal new. Only drove it in summer sometimes. Original engine never apart low mileage. Likley only 1 left never apart
Wow that's crazy
3.20 Nice drawing, with....radiator.
'18 OHV V8, was it REALLY a failure?
It had its issues
Id like to have seen the GM rotary engine be successful. Not because I'm a huge fan of rotaries, but because the failure of that engine was one of the final nails in AMCs coffin. AMC always struggled to stay afloat but designing the Pacer around the GM rotary, then having the program cancelled last minute, really began the death spiral
That engine was so interesting. That's the engine episode that I'm working on next. I just got so busy with other stuff. I haven't had a chance to do it. We are going on a little mini vacation and I'm trying to figure out if I tried to make the episode into a cohesive Piece it's like 85% but it's not up to the level that I like so I'll probably do a different episode that was actually going to be the episode last week but I keep finding more and more information and I just wanted to be best episode on that engine out there if that makes any sense, we're gonna go down the rabbit hole of all the companies that licensed that engine which I think is a really super interesting concept because just about all of them had their own version Datsun was going to put it in the sunny RE... I guess texting this response. I came up with my own answer. I guess I'm going to wait until next week to do the Wankel if I can even get to it then.
Sounds like Sonny and Cher singing “I Got You Babe”.
Dennis got it it was hold onto your ego by the beach boys
@@What.its.like. Thank you for letting me know. Am a fan of The Beach Boys. Wilson is a genius. My favorite songs are "Wouldn't It be Nice" and "Little Deuce Coup".
Good video thank you
Thank you for watching. I’m glad you dig this video.
Thought this was going to be about the Delco Light four cylinder electric plant engine. Were Chevrolet and Delco under GM by then? The engines look pretty near identical.
I'll have to look at that engine up that's very intriguing
I would have loved to have seen the diesel made from the Chevy 350 , I've read that they picked the Olds because it had a thicker cylinder wall. But by having a thicker wall it didn't have the area for as many head bolts and that was its demise. It would have worked I bet with the Chevy.
The Pontiac OHC inline 6 engines would've been ideal for the gas crunch of the '70s had they kept it in production past '69.
I Know There's an Answer by the Beach Boys.
I'd choose the 1918 OHV V-8. If a OHV V-8 in a lower-priced car were a success back then I believe it would have changed the market.
You’re really close it is the beach boys it’s sort of like that song but Mike Love didn’t like the lyrics so he made Brian change the lyrics
If I remember correctly, Louis Chevrolet's idea was for the cars bearing his name to be premium-market cars.
horsch in germany made a motor like the viking it was a v-8
For the time it could have worked if given more development time ! Well VW and GM eventually figured it out !
rotary or hov engine
The diesels.
Better education of consumers, installation of a water separator, and the larger bolts off the hop would have made a huge difference, and diesel would've made better inroads here.
That engine had tons of promise sucks they couldn’t get all the bugs worked out
@What.its.like. The biggest faults were caused by a lack of educating the new owners. Dealers essentially told them that they only needed to go from gas to diesel, but not change anything else. No education on using fuel from busy stations (water in fuel was a much bigger problem back then) or the need for diesel-rated oils. Between that, and the total lack of a water separator filter from the factory, the Stanadyne "Roosa-Master" injection pumps would get damaged by the water contamination. Some had a "Water In Fuel" light, but if it came on, you had to change the filter and clear the line. Not a convenient deal for the average owner.
The early units also had smaller head bolts, and suffered from inferior clamping of the gasket leading to head gasket failures. They had a fix for the early ones that involved drilling and tapping the block for the later series large bolts, and an updated torque spec that largely solved the issue.
I have a buddy that had the 4.3L V6 diesel in a Century back in the day. It was a neat setup. He worked it over and it was running really well until he had a cooling fan failure on a 100 degree day and cooked it.
Old boss had a Cadillac back in the day with the 350 diesel. He bought it new, and within the first week installed a Racor Water Separator assembly. He said that aside from early glow plug issues, it ran great until he got rid of it with almost 200k on the clock. But he worked for a Caterpillar dealer and knew how to take care of a diesel engine.
I would’ve liked to have seen any turbine succeed
That would have been awesome
GM Rotary, cause it would have led to 1st Mid-engine vette in 70s.
134 inches that's the same as the Willys Jeep engine. That Chevy engine looks similar to a Franklin., it almost sounds similar to the Crosley copper brazed engine even though the Crosley is water cooled. WYR would be the original 1920's Pontiac V-8 replacing the flat plane 180 crankshaft for a proper square plane 90 degree crank.
Interesting
Ford rotary. Not the GM. Reason; a family member did part of the tooling for it. Think Mazda bought it, maybe Chrysler. Most tried to get a rotary to seal, Mercedes or BMW was who sold it to Americans after they giving up.
Chrysler buying Ford stuff isn't ridiculous even if they were combined by them, it was still budgets and competition, they wouldn't get it for free. Bespoke engines were pretty common on the top-end, way more than they are now. It may have just been a different carb and a spacer, they'd still slap another name on it.
I liked the Chevrolet V8. Wasn't it 288 ci
WYR: All of them.
Copper cooled? That'a a weird term.
The would you rather segments a little bit different today it’s not really cars it’s engines.. because this was a general motors failure
@@What.its.like. Doesn't mean it can't be used for a parade putter.
There is a bunch of these on the bottom of a great lake when a ship sank
@@timothykeith1367 What's the name of the ship?
As it turns out, Luftgekühlte Motoren herzustellen ist doch gar nicht so kompliziert. I would have liked GM to have kept developing the 4 cylinder Corvair and Olds turbo charged engines.
Camp Kettering. Where the Federation and the Klingon empire were betrayed.
Would like to see the overhead valve V8 work . Because I'm tired of trying to explain to Ford guys that Chevy had it first
Pontiac Sprint 6
Note: All Chevrolets are OHV ((valve in head) they never sold a flathead
Copper is brazed to iron, not welded.
G.M.'s copper Duke?
Do a early Crewe V8 in the Rolls Royce Silver Clouds everybody talks about the cars nobody talks about the engines ...
Definitely have to cover that engine one day
I want cadillac sohc v12 from late 60s
The v8 6 4 because as a mechanic the motor was better than alot say it was the computer that mostly messed up that engine the computer was slow and sluggish so the success rate was not really there on the computer switching from the 8 cly to 6 to 4 and newer cop cars aka dodge charger pursuits have their own version of the v8 6 4 making this motor ahead of its time
The Olds diesel, it's failure set back consumer diesel use back decades, it still is a dirty word amongst motorists (VW didn't help that either)
It had so much promise, though it seemed like that was the way the world was going. Mercedes-Benz had a really good diesel engine during that era.... I think you General Motors took their time they could've produced a stellar engine. It just always seems like it comes down to time or money or both.
Baby come light my fire, the Doors
Wasn't that song or band
Hang on to your ego by The Beach Boys
Y como podria enfriarse recirculando el mismo aire caliente y no descartandolo como lo hacen otros motores enfriados por aire, ademas deberia ser un cilindro de cobre puesto a presion sobre el cilindro de hierro del motor para que conduzca el calor y no chapas medio sueltas haciendo contacto flojo sobre el cilindro
The fins were not welded to the engine; they were brazed.
Yeah, that was probably a better term. I was just using the terms that was used in the source that I got the information from.
please see comment below.
The Cosworth Vega engine.
Sweet choice
El Car Lever engine
I’ll have to look into that one
The problem with this engine is obvious to me right off, the airflow was in the wrong direction! The head and top cylinder run hottest, everyone knows that, so why cool them last? Just a bad fan design, if the fan had been put on the crank and output directed up and over the heads, then down the cylinders it would have worked far better. It's not like there weren't air cooled cars already. How Kettering screwed the pooch on this is hard to believe.
The GM 350 diesel was a failure for a few reasons. First, using a gasoline block for the base of a diesel engine is stupid. The bottom end is to week, the heads and bolts were not up to the job. Head gasket blew, crankshaft problems, just a really bad engine. On the other side, look at the Mercedes OM family of diesel engines, they run forever. My favorite is the turbo OM 606, stock it makes 174 HP and will spin 5500 RPM, stock! The can be built to 350 HP and 7000 RPM. And still be a daily driver, but you won't get 35 MPG.
Great information and insight
Viking
Sweet
8-6-4 Cadillac
The 1918 Chevy should have been further developed. The flat head was a poor design and should have been dropped in favor of the over head valve. The industry basically lost 35 years to the flat head. Not even small engines are flat heads any more.
Sounds like a expensive engine
You sound like AI.
I'm not I'm a real person
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