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- Some historical facts the new 'Jeanne du Barry' movie with Johnny Depp and Maiwenn got right and some things it portrayed inaccurately historically.
What other things did the series get right or wrong? Let me know in the comments what I missed in this list.
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Du Barry was stunningly gorgeous. This is crucial for her position in Louis's life. Unlike Pompadour, she had nothing else to recommend her. If you are going to make a movie about Du Barry, her looks would have to be center stage. But the actress playing her is not even average.
Yes!!
Exactly so. Even after the King and Pompadour were no longer physical lovers he absolutely adored her and spent time with her. When she died at Versailles, her body was removed quickly as only the Royal Family were supposed to die there. As her body was being taken away to Paris, Louis stood on his balcony, with no hat or coat, in a freezing gale and pouring rain, in floods of tears. He said that was the only tribute that he was able to pay her.
I would even say there is something grating about her. Du Barry had had to be a feast for the eyes, pleasant to look at.
The actress looks nothing like Du Barry but she's not ugly either for goodness' sake. I think she's pretty. But to each their own.
@@mysticalmargaret6105 Yeah, she certainly has that unconventional look that usually many find unattractive and some people find very attractive. I think the point about du Barry is that she was coventionally very very very attractive. She was a universal beauty every man was crazy about.
At The King's morning levee only the senior male members of the Royal Family and court were in attendance. No lady would consider it appropriate to attend.
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You are very measured in your research and comments about this film. In my humble opinion this is one of the most jarring non-historical-looking historical movies that was recently released (in 2023). The trailers, clips, and knowledgeably articles written about this particular "disaster"...make me want to avoid it at all cost 😉✌🏻.
Thank you 😊
I wonder, what makes you find it non-historical exactly? Maiwenn's modern looks?
It is so weird because others (Depp, Marie Antoinette, etc) are quite okay historically, but the Dauphin's Pantene locks and Maiwenn's beach hair are so out of that world 😄 The original palace locations are gorgeous, though
Bittter much? Write and produce a better one!
@Mftjan2000 I understand what you mean, but people can only criticize something if they also produce something within that genre? So you can't say that Twilight is a bad movie unless you produce a movie that is better? No one else can say it is a bad movie?
This film is such a disappointment, given the obvious scale of the budget. The director seems to have lost track of the gist of the project and ended up making a film about herself and the things she believes she has in common with Du Barry. In fiction writing terms, that's called doing a Mary Sue.
@stephanieking4444 You may find the wiki page for this film of interest. Maïwen is drawn to the character of Jeanne after watching Sophia Coppola's film about Marie Antoinette (2006). Which she loved, and is inspired by. Also, Stanley Kubrick's film Barry Lyndon. She researches Jeanne Du Barry, and a vision for the story she wants to present builds over that sixteen year period.
Louis' did indeed dislike Jeanne du Barry and they also disliked Madame de Pompodour the eldest daugther prompted the youngest daughter to say " Mother Prostitute has a bad cough". Madamd de Pompodour has comsumption and was towards ghe end of her life becoming alarmingly thin and coughing blood her gowns had to be extensively padded. But she was an extremely intelligent woman who was the Maitresse en Titre of Louis Quinze for 20 years before her death. She kept his attentions by opening the Parc au Cerfs which was an exclusive privste house where 2 or 3 very young and inexperienced girls would live for thd King to visit but the brilliance of the scheme was that none of them could ever be presented at court thus no competition to the Marquise de Pompodour the girls were pensioned off with handsome dowries enablinb them to marry in exchange for pleasing the king
😢 It’s so disappointing when I have to forgo seeing a movie I would have otherwise very much wanted to see!
This occurred with a historical fiction novel I very much wanted read that I was interested in the historical place it was about. The author herself made sure to make the book into something I won’t read!
Maiwenn is miscast as du Barry. Self-dealing as the director, she chose herself to play the lead. Deplorable
Maiwenn most likely played the role as this was a difficult film to get made financially. Actresses get $Millions and it probably saved much $. Also, it IS just a story, not supposed to be 100% accurate. Not a documentary.
@LaurieAboardMarVida Well in that case, if finances were tight, why did she have to hire Johnny Depp? He must have cost a fortune. It would have been much cheaper, and better, to hire a French actor and not a Hollywood star. A French actor who can actually speak French on a native level so they would not have to erase half of his dialogues from the script. Also, she had the budget to film in Versailles actually, not just reproduce the setting somewhere else, somewhere cheaper.
Most likely scenario is that she had the budget for a good young French actress (a talented but not yet well-known young actress doesn't cost much) but she decided to cast herself instead because du Barry was a dream role and alterego for her ever since she saw her in the Coppola Marie Antoinette movie, as she said.
@@Lily1127channel If she had not got Johnny Depp to be king which he was over qualified to do than her movie would have not been as successful as it has been by a long shot. This also isn't the first time that Johnny has chosen to remove dialogue. Sometimes a skilled actor says more without the dialogue such as he did in Edward Scissorhands. Johnny takes a lot from silent movie actors and he did a grand job. Maiween should have found way to get a beautiful young actress to make it all make sense. Regardless of her fondness for the role when the time has passed, it's passed. She wouldn't have been right for it in her twenties though because she's just an average looking woman.
@@HisWayMine I also think Depp made a decent acting job in the movie, he was not a bad choice for sure, unlike Maiwenn. Although the standout actor for me was the French actor who played the valet. I also understand that Depp was probably a good investment and made the movie much more successful with his starpower. I was just saying that I really don't think Maiwenn chose herself because of tight finances, when she could afford Depp and Versailles.
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This Maiwenn woman must have quite the ego. Looks ridiculous.
She wasn’t banished to a convent after the king’s death she had remarried lived in the home that was gifted to her but was beheaded in the revolution in her 50’s
According to the biography I read, she did not remarry, she was not even able to because Guillame du barry was alive all along, he outlived Jeanne. She had lovers, though.
She was indeed banished to the convent Abbey du Pont-aux-Dames near Meaux-en-Brie, which she was allowed to leave after 2 years, if I remember correctly.
I am French and I was so annoyed at this movie. Stopped watching after half an hour. Glad they still got a few things right.
Are you? That is so interesting 😍can you tell me what annoyed you about the movie? Was it Maiwenn or something else?
Also, as a French person, can you tell me how Depp's French sounded to you? Because to me he sounded exactly as a person who learned some French in school but far from native level
@@Lily1127channel Maiwenn. Honestly I like some of her other movies (police
I don't know her, but that was exactly my feeling! That she was molding this du barry film to be a maiwenn meets versailles fun film for herself
@@Lily1127channel I didn't like Depp's performance. His French is clearly limited and as a native I can hear his accent. I do respect his tenacity and efforts to play the part, though you can feel the writers tried to limit his dialogue to help him. He compensates by being more expressive, which is at the opposite of the King's manners, who had to respect decorum at all time and was known to be more reserved and private that other monarchs (that face he does when she is introduced at court .... baaa). As I said, I did not watch the full movie, so maybe it got better in the second part, I can give the benefit of the doubt.
On top of that, Louis XV is a king that has been seen in cinema quite often, and there were better performances, so Depp is suffering from comparison. Stanley Weber notably played him as part of a docu-film called "Black Sun" (Louis XV le Soleil Noir), and Vincent Perez in a movie about La Pompadour. Both were smaller productions, and without being perfect, I think they captured his character better.
* I meant to say Louis' daughters at the beginning of this comment and this actress looks absolutely nothing like Madame du Barry and would certainly never be seen in public with her hair down and not dresses in an up-do. Marie Antoinette disliked Madame de Pompadour too. To the extent that she was forced by the King and by her own mother to acknowledge her.
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I want to watch this movie, so I will not watch your video until after I watched it. But I was wondering if you will make an upcoming historical movies video again? I love those. :)
Yeah if you want to watch the movie don't watch this video before that, because it contains some spoilers.
You are right, it's been so long since I last made an upcoming movies video! It's so good that you reminded me, it is time to make such a video again.
@@Lily1127channel that would be great, I really enjoyed them !
0:35 Louis wouldn't have eaten like that. You relax your manners, not eschew them completely as they become second nature.
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You don't know how relaxed the man would have gotten. You didn't know him. I like the way Johnny relaxed there. Johnny was showing more of the man than the king so stop hating to hate.
You forgot to mention that her name was actually *Jeanne Bécu* Barry refers to her husband's title.
Yeah, but that is something the movie correctly portrays, I think. She is called by her real name Jeanne Becu in her youth in the movie, and she is called Madame du Barry only later, when she was already his wife
Could they find more young and beautifull actress for this role??
and... the Louis XVI furniture -- e.g. the screen behind Depp-- strewn all over!!! anachronism anyone?
I also didnt like how they did the mesdames hair.
I'd love to know what your sources are. Historians from that time had a very jaded view of anything approaching royalty.
Well, these that I shared in the video are all well-known, uncontested facts, like her age, which is a pretty precise number and not the subject of jaded historian views.
Historians nowadays have a pretty full picture of 18th century France, because that era was quite well-recorded by multiple sources pretty well. Of course there are things that are still disputed, some paint Jeanne as more of a bad person while others are sympathetic to her and paint Marie Antoinette as the bad person. But facts like Jeanne's age, or her past before Louis, or her future with Zamor, are undisputed facts.
I used mainly this biography written by a historian about Jeanne: Joan Haslip: Madame du Barry: The Wages of Beauty
The actors real age doesn't matter that's why it's important to cast someone who can pull off the age that is needed.
Yeah, and certainly nowadays these celebs usually look way younger than they are, with all the botox they use. But I think in this case the casting still went off agewise. Maiwenn is simply unable to present a young fresh du Barry who catches the king's eye with her youthful beauty. And she and Depp look a couple close in age, instead of the older man & young girl couple the king and du Barry are supposed to be.
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I wanted to like this film but the inaccuracies were too distracting.
I agree. I wanted to but I couldn't get past the horribly inaccurate casting of du Barry
What happened to Zamor after the French Revolution?
He worked as an informant during the revolution and, what is most interesting, he himself got Du Barry arrested during the revolutin which led to her execution. It is so curious because, on the surface, it appears that she treated him well, raised him, gave him excellent education, etc. But there must be deeper depths to this story because he must have still had serious resentments against her if he did that. Pity that the movie didn't dive into their dynamic at all, they simply portrayed that everything was fine and cute because she was very kind to him.
Then, during the revolution, he was imprisoned by the girondins. He was released and then fled from France. He died in 1820.
@@Lily1127channel that is a bett disturbing. On one hand she raised and care and then later he is the reason for death? That's a pretty big knife to the back.
@@user-ey5hl3ee9u Yeah, though he was gifted to her as a slave and, even if she kept him in a gilded cage, it was still a cage. I don't know if he was ever asked what he himself wanted, whether he wanted to be with her or not, whether he wanted to go back to his homeland and be with his real family. So he probably saw a chance of freedom in the revolution. But I don't know the specifics.
I think this would have been a super interesting and complex relationship dynamic to discover in the movie, but sadly they did almost nothing with it.
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@@Lily1127channel It's very sad but probably he feared for his life and the only way to prove his loyalty to the revolutionists was to betray du Barry. Let's not pretend that common white Frenchmen viewed enslaved races as equals! Thank God he realized that France at that time was not safe for anyone different than the angry mob and fled.
SUSPEND DISBELIEF never happened for me with this film. I just could not believe that a middle-aged, horse-faced woman could possibly be a youthful DuBarry. And Depp's french was mournfully not native-spoken. The whole film was clownish, like a desperate attempt to get back on board by Depp after the allegations against him were found to be false.
His portrayal of the King was just inept.
I am bilingual in French and Johnny Depp's French was absolutely excellent in this movie. There was only one word he uttered that had a touch of an accent and barely noticeable, but other than that, his pronunciation and delivery was perfect and while watching the film, I forgot that he is American. Depp spent 20 years in France with a French wife.
You are pretty cruel in your delivery. I agree on the actress but Johnny was perfect. Ofcourse at that time he wasnt getting the work he'd hoped for but he chose something many feel was an entertaining movie. Stop hating just to be a hater.
Where can i watch thos movie
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J ai beaucoup some ce film ! Tres bon acteurs ! and et biensure Johnny Depp as Louis XV 👍❤️
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The thing is is that it’s a movie not a documentary it’s made to entertain so there will always be artistic license in such movies
So instead of being horrible just enjoy the movie for what it is which is entertainment!
Exactly, and it is always interesting and educational to research about such a historical drama, to check what is true and not true about the things we see in the movie 😊 When a historical drama airs, let that be a serious drama like Oppenheimer or an alternate universe like Bridgerton, there are usually many such videos like this, analyzing what truth there is in the movie. So no one is being horrible 😊
Though, when a drama is about people who lived in real life, about events that happened in real life, filmmakers do have certain limits to abide by when making a movie. If you make a movie about Hitler, you can't depict him as a nice guy who only meant well. There are artistic liberties that you can use, sure, but there are certain limits you have to keep. And I think those limits are different for each one of us in the audience, a good example for that is Napoleon (2023). While many people thought the artistic licenses it took were completely okay, many others, especially the French, thought it was history distortion and unacceptable and hated the movie. There are many different opinions when it comes to artistic license in movies.
I watched the movie, it was great, especially at the end, I cried 😢❤
I really wanted to like this movie, but just couldn't. The casting wasn't just wrong for both leads, it was terribly wrong, preventing the viewer from ever buying into the story. The costuming was pretty awful in many of the scenes as well. Even when du Barry was wearing paniers, you could see the cage-like structure under her skirts whenever she moved. This would not be the case historically, and the only reason for it is the costumers skimped on padding and petticoats under the gown. It's emblematic of this whole movie. I agree with other viewers: it's just a vanity project of the director/actress, and those rarely turn out well.
It is just a creative interpretation, just a movie. No need to split hairs. Just like how King George and Queen Charlotte are depicted in Bridgerton.
Yes, and there are several videos like this about Bridgerton as well, analyzing what is historically accurate and inaccurate about it, without judging or criticizing 😊
Bridgerton is a farce! A Portuguese mistress' bastard is not in the line of succession and was 15 generations removed from Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz. As a part German woman, it offends me.
Are you sure you're not German ? You sound just like one.
She is Hungarian
Where exactly do I sound like one? 😀
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@@AnastasiaIsabella She sounds just like one.
@@DarthDread-oh2ne What do you mean? In the way I speak in another video?
People do realize that this is purely a dramatization, not a documentary 🙄 🤔 right?
Yes, but it is still interesting to factcheck what is right about what the film portrays and what is not 😊 This is just fact checking and analyzing, not complaining about anything 😊
There are tons of videos like this about any kind of historical drama, from The Crown to the Bridgerton 😊
Another thing this movie got wrong was casting Johnny Depp.
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Never watch anything with jhonny depp
I agree with u he really doesn’t suit the role I like him better when he was captain jack sparrow in pirates
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Wait! The film is a documentary? Who knew?
No it is not, and no one said it was 😊
I went and saw the film I really enjoyed it. I loved the human side of Jeanne they did not portray her as a beauty, Her beauty was deeper than just looks she had inside beauty about her a childlike innocent. And the connection was undeniable. She treated him as a human, a man. She showed him unconditional love. And I liked that she did not care about protocol. She did not let it change her, the way she treated or cared for him. I was touched so much it made me cry with emotion when she lost him in such a sad way. I thought his portrayal of king Louis was great for someone to research so much and learn fluent french. I would suggest anyone to go see it before you judge. I think it was beautifully done.
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0"28" FALSE ! She was 50 when she died on the guillotine on the 8th of December 1793 !
No, it is not false. She was 31 when HE died. When Louis XV died.
Who cares? I loved this film and was totally and thoroughly satisfied. A sumptuous confection and delicious on the big screen. And exactly what I wanted.
La dubarry était trés belle et blonde , l actrice est moche dans ce film!
To me they got much right....good. It's a movie, not a documentary
The hate is real here! It's a shame people can't applaud the efforts involved by everyone. I liked it enough to watch it again.
What hate? These are historical facts, not complaints or criticizing. I have made these "Top 10 things it got right and wrong" videos about many other historical dramas including my favorite ones, like Marie Antoinette and Domina. I don't know what seems hate about it?
Any other Americans find it difficult to warch the movie AND read subtitles at the same time?
There wasn't a French actor who could have played Louis? Or was Johnny depp cast so that America could make a profit? Having a name actor is the downside of making films. Depps performance was risible, he has long ceased to be a decent actor, and the rest of the cast were wasted in this.
Won't watch anything with depp in .just don't like him anymore.
@arianbyw3819 The wiki page of this film describes an interview Maïwen gave in late 2022. She wrote the part of Louis XV with an unnamed French actor in mind, who declined the role in 2019. A second French actor became unavailable for health reasons. You read then about how she drew up a list of actors she liked, regardless of where they were from.
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