Note: The PRO-1000 takes 80ml ink carts. No - this video does NOT apply to the PRO-200 and PRO-300. Please just ask if you've any questions? Don't forget the full categorised index of all my videos at www.northlight-images.co.uk/keith-cooper-photography-videos-index/ If you'd like to make a small donation towards my testing, I have a Kofi page: "Buy me a coffee" ko-fi.com/keithcooper Buying stuff? I also have some affiliate links which earn me a small commission if used. US Amazon photo/print gear: amzn.to/3l9vJC6 B&H Photo: www.bhphotovideo.com/?BI=2008&KBID=2711&DFF=d10-v1-t8-x4 Adorama: www.adorama.com/?
I thank Keith for this perfect presentation of the data that i assembled over the past 3 years. He is the one I wanted to do this and I was not disappointed. I hope it's useful for all those out there who enjoy printing their photos as much as I do! I started collecting the data because I was so frustrated about the little information I received from the manufacturer. My printer is never switched off and powered via a UPS.
I applaud you for your effort and willingness to report this. Few people know or admit the extent of this waste. I DID record every single print AND the total ink used for more than 3 years with 2 Pro-1000s (the first being replaced under warranty for “excessive ink waste”-Canon never acknowledged this). My findings were a little different: 1. Only the total, which Canon software shows, uncovers the waste and it is rounded for each print. 2. The large cleanings were 60 ml. 3. I found no time consistency on the major cleanings-I once had 2 within 3 days of each other. 4. I’m not sure weighing the maintenance cartridge shows anything due to evaporation. I can be cynical about this but, I believe Epson reduced the size of their cartridge in the P900 because they knew they had a huge ink usage advantage over the Pro 1000. I know I am enjoying the lack of waste my 1 month old P900 provides while my old P1000 sits in the garage waiting for its move to the city dump. But, the Canon is a heavier, more industrial like printer. I don’t know if the Epson will last as long. But it may not make a difference. On a forum that pushes refilling Canon ink cartridges, I once stated, you could use Epson OEM inks cheaper than using 3rd party ink cartridges in the Canon or put another way, buying a new Epson every 3 years is probably cheaper.
Interesting findings: Here are my thoughts: 1) Evaporation from the ink cartridge happens - i measured the weight before and after the print so that I do not overstate the amount of ink used for cleaning. 2) the deep cleaning cycles may occur more often, but at a minimum (if the printer is powered all the time and not moved) every 3 months.
Afternoon, Keith. I am relatively new to your channel, but thank you for all the hard work you put into your videos. You helped me with my purchase, which was the Pro-300 (I initially purchased the Pro-1100 but cancelled the order before it was shipped). I know the Pro-300 isn't for everyone, but having spent the last couple of days testing it with various paper types, I absolutely love it. I have no regrets whatsoever. The print quality is superb. Your tutorials on this particular model were invaluable and helped me get the best out of this printer. I use the standalone PPL software, which is excellent. The only niggle I came across was the 'false positive' warning about margins when using Fine Art Smooth paper. Even printing an A4 area on A3+ paper doesn't prevent the margin warning, so it doesn't make sense. Apart from that, I couldn't be happier. You helped me during the research, which paid off. Thanks again, Keith. Your work here is massively appreciated.
Very useful and informative video. Thank you to the person who ambled the usage data and to Keith for sharing. All this begs the question, how much longer will home-based inkjet printing be a thing? It seems foolish to just throw money away like that on ridiculously expensive ink.
Thanks - obviously to me there is nothing foolish about it at all ;-) It will be a thing long past my retirement, and as long as people value printed photos for whatever reasons...
Your figures bear out for my usage. I have been printing daily and sometimes missed the 24 hour limit. Will follow the 7 once a week from now on. That will save me ink. Thanks
Great addition, Keith. Kudos to you for being good and trustworthy enough to get this sent, kudos for relaying it to your viewers, kudos to the person who collected the data. Wow.
My finding for the Pro-300 on the ink consumption for cleaning/agitation was similar. I tried printing at a 8x10 every day for 3 months. I found the printer will agitate the ink if there has been at least five days since the last agitation; this would cause the ink to drop about 5%. So, if you were to print once a day, the cartridges will only last about 100 days. It’s better to print in bulk when needed instead.
Thank you again Keith!! Always appreciate your time, research and shared knowledge with us. I’m still, someday going for the 1100 after I’m done on my Pro-10. The 10 is still a workhorse and hard to give up but the next size up is calling loudly. So soon. Thank you Sincerely Scott
WOW that is very interesting thank you for that i think i will stick with my canon pro 100s after six years still printing super images Love the videos Thank you David here in Ireland
Great, informative (and surprising!) video as always. I wish manufacturers were more transparent on ink usage and what not. I understand why they don’t, but it would be very helpful for end users. Might even spur sales of more expensive printer models if they actually use less ink.
It’s a shame canon nor epson do not publish their own statistic. They might have them. And they should give guide lines for best usage. Week end are very fortunate Keith is here for us. Thank you from a French reader
I had an Epson P900 and it used MUCH less ink in cleajing cycles. I didn't keep it (or its replacement) long enough, because the print feed system was terribly unreliable and also scratched sensitive papers. But I would guess it used about half the ink of my (very reliable) Pro-1000.
For what it’s worth, I have a Pro-1000 and occasionally print my own work for people etc but its idle most of the time. It runs on a UPS, never turn it off and I print a printhead test page every 2 days roughly. A set of inks lasted over a year and finally running low now. It does fill the maintenance cartridges but it hasn’t been the end of the world for me… I accept the cost for the convenience and satisfaction of printing my own work
@ Yup I love mine, other than nailing the paper alignment every time, it has been flawless. I work in the print industry for another brand and I know Canon do take customers for a ride to a point of buying new ink but also know there is another side to the story where printheads will inevitably dry up if ink isn’t flushed through them regularly so it is a balancing act…
@@whatcouldgowrong7914 I have just been reading my Epson SC-P900 technical manual and it describes 5 types of cleaning that the P900 does both manually initiated and firmware initiated. One firmware initiated is called "flushing". It periodically discards the ink in the nozzles to prevent thickening of the ink in the nozzles.
Yes, sorry - a verbal 'typo' - one reason I still [at heart] dislike videos as a medium. For a real article it's a moment's work to correct/update/expand such slips... :-(
Service Manuel for pro 2000 ( my machine, but same print head) highlights the 3 month mandatory deep clean cycle… otherwise it sips ink… weigh the maintenance cartridge to verify ink usage for cleaning… I print something every 3 days. Florida has high ambient humidity so less drying out of ink.. your weather and interior conditions affect performance. With 700ml ink carts the percent of cleaning vs printing becomes less noticeable too. Keith thank you for video and perspective as the waste ink debate has always been lively. Printers are made to print, like cars, they will rot if not in use and cost you money to maintain 😊
Thanks for noting that - goes along with what I suspected from when I had the 2000 here for a review some time ago. Interesting that it's in the [non public] service manual, not any user materials that I know of?
Thanks for more great info Keith! You perform a great service for many. 🙂 You have pulled back the curtain of the mystery behind what the Pro 1000 does. I practice leaving the printer on, and have it plugged into a UPS to guard against the "uplugging" effect with power blips and outages. You opened my eyes to the roughly three month cleaning cycle that seemingly cannot be avoided, and you reinforced what I knew about the 24 hour cycle. I use Qimage on a 23 hour cycle to print a purge sheet, designed to exercise all the color channels. I was hoping to hear you mention something about this strategy. It seems, in my experience, to ward off those 24 hour cleanings since a print has been made. Can you add your expert opinion?
Thanks - Personally I'd not go with such a set-up. You don't need purge sheets, a nozzle check every so often suffices. There simply is no need to 'exercise' the printer like this - a tiny bit of printing on plain paper will actually do enough. However... I just gave up on worrying about ink costs if I've a printer like this. But views differ so YMMV ;-)
Hi Keith, great video, I used to have a pro-100 and that did maintenance every so often but my question to you is how often does the Epson ET-8550 run cleaning/maintenance cycles?
I don't know - our usage is too varied to get any meaningful data. It's easier to get data for the PRO-1100 since Canon accounting software is available. Also, I'd suggest, with the ink tanks, it's not something that will concern people to the extent of the 1000/1100 so I doubt I'll be getting a spreadsheet in the mail ;-)
I’ve been thinking about getting a 13x19” printer lately. The Pro-300 is getting pretty old now. Now that Canon has finally upgraded the Pro-1000 with the Pro-1100, do you think that the 300 will be upgraded this year? I’m not looking for insider info, just your opinion. 🤷🏻♂️
Hi Keith, firstly I want to say that I enjoy your videos very much. Question: when you have several Canon Pro 1100 ink cartridges that need replacing is it best to do them all at once? I read on another blog that each time you replace a cartridge the printer initiates a cleaning cycle. Replacing multiple cartridges at once will decrease the cleaning cycles. Do you happen to know if this is true?
It is partly so with cartridge based printers like the pro-200/300 But NOT so with the 1000/1100. The carts can easily be swapped - the ink system is completely different.
Also from your point in a previous vid about it using ink as a working fluid. I wonder if when it cleans, it doesn’t care what colour it uses, it just needs “some ink” and uses a bit from each cartridge… hence why the more a colour is used, the less % of it gets used as cleaning… i.e. the lesser used colours still have to contribute their fair share to the cleaning duties. I wonder if they could/should/do in fact contribute _more_ , so the cartridges go down at a more even rate.
Yes the 'bit from each' is why you see this variation. The ink has to go through each set of printhead nozzles, irrespective of how much the ink is used in printing. Each channel is just an ink channel the colour is irrelevant.
It's important to know if equivalent Epson printer does the same / how much it does so it can be a decision factor when buying a printer. Also, is this really necessary or is it just a way for Canon to makes us buy more ink?
I don't have full data but all I've seen is that the Epsons have a very different cleaning regime. It is probably in part due to the two different print head technologies in use.
Less ink is used by the Epson system as far as I've seen for cleaning/maintenance. The large Epson printers don't require draining for transport for example. They have a sealed/pressurised ink system, whilst the Canon system uses a sub-tank for pressure equalisation. Different... better or worse depends on how you value the use of the ink as a cleaning medium ;-)
Hello! So is it still a good idea to keep the printer always on? Taking into account that every 3 months it makes a 50ml cleaning, if you make a print every 10/15 days, would it be advisable to keep it on or just turn it on when you make the print and thus avoid continuing to count the time of the 3 months when keeping it on? Thank you!
It can do other deep clean cycles, but the 3 months is an 'at least this often' figure. The data I've seen is about the PRO-1000, but I've no reason to thing the 1100 will be a lot different.
How do we see the cleaning log in accounting software ? I can only see the ink cost of every print, it seems that I only used less than 80ml in printing, but all of my ink tanks decreased like 1/4 or even more, I print 1 to 2 times a day. And another thing, since the printer does cleaning when you print the first time after 24 hours, if you leave it for a long time, will it trigger the "big" cleaning other than the 3 months circle ? If not, then we leave it for weeks and do printering, that only wastes 3 ml ink.
Even if I consider the ink wasted in cleaning, that's about 1/6 for now, which would be around 40 ml, they add up to around 120ml ink, but again the ink level decreased way more than that. And I am calculating all these after the first cleaning in the installation of the printer. Could it be that there're just so much ink in the printer head ?
There is no cleaning log - that is the extra information assiduously collected by the person who kindly sent me all their data. If you want that you will have to get it yourself by weighing the ink carts and maintenance cart. Yes - it is complex...
@@KeithCooper I am not quite sure what the indicator of cleaning is, is the "agitating ink" ? I did a printing 20 hours ago and then I still get this message before the printing starts.
Or even just leave the printer and bunch up printing? - this really is splitting hairs ;-) My feeling is that if the minutiae of ink use is an issue, it should be added carefully to the choices as to if this is the actually right printer for someone?
Forgive me if I missed it, and I see from Mr Blubb's comment that his data is from a printer on UPS, but . . . Do you believe (know?) if keeping the printer powered on has any meaningful ink savings if the printer is running on the 24 hour and 3 month cleaning cycles regardless? I.e., is there a third "power on" cleaning cycle? If I were to leave my 1100 powered off for 48 hours, which cleaning cycle is it going to run when I turn it back on? BTW, I was in Dallas this past week and stopped in at Red River Paper. Told 'em, "Keith sent me!" Nice folks there.
I don't know for sure. My only reference was going away and turning off for a week [and unplugging] with the massive clean when I returned and switched it on. That was not a '3 month clean' Obviously more info is needed... Yes - a helpful company
@@KeithCooper OK, thanks. I've only had mine for a couple of weeks now, but I've started collecting data . . . perhaps it will be of use to you and others at some point. I had a power outage; so, I just left the printer off for a week before I restarted it today. Weighing the waste cartridge before and after, it looks like it used less than one mL of ink on startup (assuming ink is close to water in density.)
Canon should design the next gen printer to have a large "Cleaning Cartridge", which contains some sort of chemical mix, and will be used to clean all the head with additional tubes to all nozzles. By doing that, only the cleaning fluid cartridge and maintenance cartridge need to be change regularly, and all the colour inks will be used for the print.
That would take the biggest change in desktop inkjet printer design for 30 years. The ink is currently designed to be the working fluid for the printhead [much like adding two-stroke oil to fuel]
Such a system will have to perfectly block the ink tubes so as to not introduce contaminants (eg air, dust etc). Then disengage those ink tubes. Next engage the cleaner fluid tubes to the print head. Do a clean cycle. Disenage the cleaner fluid tubes. Somehow dry the print head of all cleaner fluid. Finally, re-engage the ink tubes, again without introducing contaminants. Is that possible?
Dear Mr Cooper. May you tell me the Resolution pf Pro 1100 and Pro 300 which one is better (when we using lightroom to print, on Pro 300, we can set it: 1440, how about the Pro 1100 (2880?). Thanks
So if I understand you correctly, don't print daily, print weekly and you will use the same amount of ink for cleaning even after not using the printer for 6-7 days ?????
You can print daily and will probably save some cleaning cycles if the pauses between subsequent prints are always sufficiently short. But printing one A4 page every 2nd day would definitely be a waste of ink. My suggestion is to print as rarely as possible. There is no penalty on cleaning less often, i.e. not more ink is used when cleaning after a 2 weeks break than after a 48 hours break.
@@Imaging80 yeah I've been lead to believe even printing a 6 x 4 image everyday will stop the cleaning cycles but it must be less than 24 hours by the clock..I've been trying to do that but it seems wasteful in both paper and ink, I'll try to print once to twice a week and see how that fairs...I'm not up to speed on what's really necessary to keep a printer working optimally but it somehow seems a little like a scam on Canons part, surely there's a better way to avoid such waste .
Note: The PRO-1000 takes 80ml ink carts. No - this video does NOT apply to the PRO-200 and PRO-300. Please just ask if you've any questions? Don't forget the full categorised index of all my videos at www.northlight-images.co.uk/keith-cooper-photography-videos-index/ If you'd like to make a small donation towards my testing, I have a Kofi page: "Buy me a coffee" ko-fi.com/keithcooper
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I thank Keith for this perfect presentation of the data that i assembled over the past 3 years. He is the one I wanted to do this and I was not disappointed. I hope it's useful for all those out there who enjoy printing their photos as much as I do! I started collecting the data because I was so frustrated about the little information I received from the manufacturer. My printer is never switched off and powered via a UPS.
Doing the lord's work, I am still adamant that this is just an engineering problem they refuse to solve
Thanks again for sharing that data - and of course, having the patience that I don't have, in gathering it!
I applaud you for your effort and willingness to report this. Few people know or admit the extent of this waste. I DID record every single print AND the total ink used for more than 3 years with 2 Pro-1000s (the first being replaced under warranty for “excessive ink waste”-Canon never acknowledged this). My findings were a little different: 1. Only the total, which Canon software shows, uncovers the waste and it is rounded for each print. 2. The large cleanings were 60 ml. 3. I found no time consistency on the major cleanings-I once had 2 within 3 days of each other. 4. I’m not sure weighing the maintenance cartridge shows anything due to evaporation.
I can be cynical about this but, I believe Epson reduced the size of their cartridge in the P900 because they knew they had a huge ink usage advantage over the Pro 1000. I know I am enjoying the lack of waste my 1 month old P900 provides while my old P1000 sits in the garage waiting for its move to the city dump. But, the Canon is a heavier, more industrial like printer. I don’t know if the Epson will last as long. But it may not make a difference. On a forum that pushes refilling Canon ink cartridges, I once stated, you could use Epson OEM inks cheaper than using 3rd party ink cartridges in the Canon or put another way, buying a new Epson every 3 years is probably cheaper.
Thanks and also for adding your observations on this.
Interesting findings: Here are my thoughts: 1) Evaporation from the ink cartridge happens - i measured the weight before and after the print so that I do not overstate the amount of ink used for cleaning. 2) the deep cleaning cycles may occur more often, but at a minimum (if the printer is powered all the time and not moved) every 3 months.
Afternoon, Keith. I am relatively new to your channel, but thank you for all the hard work you put into your videos. You helped me with my purchase, which was the Pro-300 (I initially purchased the Pro-1100 but cancelled the order before it was shipped). I know the Pro-300 isn't for everyone, but having spent the last couple of days testing it with various paper types, I absolutely love it. I have no regrets whatsoever. The print quality is superb. Your tutorials on this particular model were invaluable and helped me get the best out of this printer.
I use the standalone PPL software, which is excellent. The only niggle I came across was the 'false positive' warning about margins when using Fine Art Smooth paper. Even printing an A4 area on A3+ paper doesn't prevent the margin warning, so it doesn't make sense. Apart from that, I couldn't be happier. You helped me during the research, which paid off. Thanks again, Keith. Your work here is massively appreciated.
Thanks - glad to have been of help!
Very useful and informative video. Thank you to the person who ambled the usage data and to Keith for sharing.
All this begs the question, how much longer will home-based inkjet printing be a thing?
It seems foolish to just throw money away like that on ridiculously expensive ink.
Thanks - obviously to me there is nothing foolish about it at all ;-)
It will be a thing long past my retirement, and as long as people value printed photos for whatever reasons...
Your figures bear out for my usage. I have been printing daily and sometimes missed the 24 hour limit. Will follow the 7 once a week from now on. That will save me ink. Thanks
Glad to help!
Fantastic video Keith, as usual. You will save some people a LOT of money. Thanks for your time and explanation.
Thanks - glad it was of interest!
Great addition, Keith. Kudos to you for being good and trustworthy enough to get this sent, kudos for relaying it to your viewers, kudos to the person who collected the data. Wow.
Thanks!
Thank you for a great summary, I think this clears up a few misconceptions, feelings and thoughts don't replace specific testing. Thanks Keith
Thanks - glad to help
My finding for the Pro-300 on the ink consumption for cleaning/agitation was similar. I tried printing at a 8x10 every day for 3 months. I found the printer will agitate the ink if there has been at least five days since the last agitation; this would cause the ink to drop about 5%. So, if you were to print once a day, the cartridges will only last about 100 days. It’s better to print in bulk when needed instead.
Thanks for that observation
Thank you again Keith!! Always appreciate your time, research and shared knowledge with us.
I’m still, someday going for the 1100 after I’m done on my Pro-10. The 10 is still a workhorse and hard to give up but the next size up is calling loudly. So soon.
Thank you
Sincerely
Scott
Thanks - glad it was of interest
WOW that is very interesting thank you for that i think i will stick with my canon pro 100s after six years still printing super images Love the videos Thank you David here in Ireland
Glad it was helpful!
Great, informative (and surprising!) video as always. I wish manufacturers were more transparent on ink usage and what not. I understand why they don’t, but it would be very helpful for end users. Might even spur sales of more expensive printer models if they actually use less ink.
Thanks - yes there are quite a few areas where I'd love more info...
Thanks Keith, it would be interesting to know how this compares to Epson cleaning.
Find me someone who has the spreadsheet... because I'm not doing it ;-)
My strong feeling is that usage is less on Epson printers I've used
It’s a shame canon nor epson do not publish their own statistic. They might have them. And they should give guide lines for best usage. Week end are very fortunate Keith is here for us. Thank you from a French reader
It is something I do mention with them every so often... ;-)
I had an Epson P900 and it used MUCH less ink in cleajing cycles. I didn't keep it (or its replacement) long enough, because the print feed system was terribly unreliable and also scratched sensitive papers. But I would guess it used about half the ink of my (very reliable) Pro-1000.
Thanks for the clear info Keith, perhaps someday we'll see the promised land of maintenance-free printing
Yes - not holding my breath for it... ;-)
For what it’s worth, I have a Pro-1000 and occasionally print my own work for people etc but its idle most of the time. It runs on a UPS, never turn it off and I print a printhead test page every 2 days roughly. A set of inks lasted over a year and finally running low now. It does fill the maintenance cartridges but it hasn’t been the end of the world for me… I accept the cost for the convenience and satisfaction of printing my own work
Thanks for commenting - it helps put in context some of the realities of having what is still an excellent printer.
@ Yup I love mine, other than nailing the paper alignment every time, it has been flawless. I work in the print industry for another brand and I know Canon do take customers for a ride to a point of buying new ink but also know there is another side to the story where printheads will inevitably dry up if ink isn’t flushed through them regularly so it is a balancing act…
@@whatcouldgowrong7914 I have just been reading my Epson SC-P900 technical manual and it describes 5 types of cleaning that the P900 does both manually initiated and firmware initiated. One firmware initiated is called "flushing". It periodically discards the ink in the nozzles to prevent thickening of the ink in the nozzles.
Thanks Keith, FYI - each cartridge on a Pro-1000 is 80ml...
Yes, sorry - a verbal 'typo' - one reason I still [at heart] dislike videos as a medium. For a real article it's a moment's work to correct/update/expand such slips... :-(
Service Manuel for pro 2000 ( my machine, but same print head) highlights the 3 month mandatory deep clean cycle… otherwise it sips ink… weigh the maintenance cartridge to verify ink usage for cleaning… I print something every 3 days. Florida has high ambient humidity so less drying out of ink.. your weather and interior conditions affect performance. With 700ml ink carts the percent of cleaning vs printing becomes less noticeable too.
Keith thank you for video and perspective as the waste ink debate has always been lively. Printers are made to print, like cars, they will rot if not in use and cost you money to maintain 😊
Thanks for noting that - goes along with what I suspected from when I had the 2000 here for a review some time ago.
Interesting that it's in the [non public] service manual, not any user materials that I know of?
Thanks for more great info Keith! You perform a great service for many. 🙂
You have pulled back the curtain of the mystery behind what the Pro 1000 does. I practice leaving the printer on, and have it plugged into a UPS to guard against the "uplugging" effect with power blips and outages. You opened my eyes to the roughly three month cleaning cycle that seemingly cannot be avoided, and you reinforced what I knew about the 24 hour cycle.
I use Qimage on a 23 hour cycle to print a purge sheet, designed to exercise all the color channels. I was hoping to hear you mention something about this strategy. It seems, in my experience, to ward off those 24 hour cleanings since a print has been made. Can you add your expert opinion?
Thanks - Personally I'd not go with such a set-up. You don't need purge sheets, a nozzle check every so often suffices. There simply is no need to 'exercise' the printer like this - a tiny bit of printing on plain paper will actually do enough.
However... I just gave up on worrying about ink costs if I've a printer like this. But views differ so YMMV ;-)
@@KeithCooper do the nozzle checks also consume the ~3mL in cleaning if more than 24 hours have elapsed since the last print?
I suspect they will do - but I have no data on this
Thank you for all the information. I wonder if printing a nozzle test print resets that 24h timer?
Very likely, but someone will have to test it to see for sure
Hi Keith, great video, I used to have a pro-100 and that did maintenance every so often but my question to you is how often does the Epson ET-8550 run cleaning/maintenance cycles?
I don't know - our usage is too varied to get any meaningful data. It's easier to get data for the PRO-1100 since Canon accounting software is available.
Also, I'd suggest, with the ink tanks, it's not something that will concern people to the extent of the 1000/1100 so I doubt I'll be getting a spreadsheet in the mail ;-)
I’ve been thinking about getting a 13x19” printer lately. The Pro-300 is getting pretty old now. Now that Canon has finally upgraded the Pro-1000 with the Pro-1100, do you think that the 300 will be upgraded this year? I’m not looking for insider info, just your opinion. 🤷🏻♂️
I don't think so - I recently mentioned this in a 'what's new for 25' video.
I suspect they will make it last at least a couple of years yet...
Hi Keith, firstly I want to say that I enjoy your videos very much. Question: when you have several Canon Pro 1100 ink cartridges that need replacing is it best to do them all at once? I read on another blog that each time you replace a cartridge the printer initiates a cleaning cycle. Replacing multiple cartridges at once will decrease the cleaning cycles. Do you happen to know if this is true?
It is partly so with cartridge based printers like the pro-200/300
But NOT so with the 1000/1100. The carts can easily be swapped - the ink system is completely different.
I have not observed any cleaning connected to the replacement of ink cartridges in the Pro-1000.
If I do printing only on one day of the week, it uses 3ml for cleaning. But would that trigger a "big" cleaning ?
No, I think doing all your printing in one go like that would reduce the overall ink used
Also from your point in a previous vid about it using ink as a working fluid. I wonder if when it cleans, it doesn’t care what colour it uses, it just needs “some ink” and uses a bit from each cartridge… hence why the more a colour is used, the less % of it gets used as cleaning… i.e. the lesser used colours still have to contribute their fair share to the cleaning duties. I wonder if they could/should/do in fact contribute _more_ , so the cartridges go down at a more even rate.
Yes the 'bit from each' is why you see this variation.
The ink has to go through each set of printhead nozzles, irrespective of how much the ink is used in printing. Each channel is just an ink channel the colour is irrelevant.
It's important to know if equivalent Epson printer does the same / how much it does so it can be a decision factor when buying a printer. Also, is this really necessary or is it just a way for Canon to makes us buy more ink?
I don't have full data but all I've seen is that the Epsons have a very different cleaning regime.
It is probably in part due to the two different print head technologies in use.
@@KeithCooper different but better or worse?
Less ink is used by the Epson system as far as I've seen for cleaning/maintenance.
The large Epson printers don't require draining for transport for example. They have a sealed/pressurised ink system, whilst the Canon system uses a sub-tank for pressure equalisation.
Different... better or worse depends on how you value the use of the ink as a cleaning medium ;-)
Hello! So is it still a good idea to keep the printer always on? Taking into account that every 3 months it makes a 50ml cleaning, if you make a print every 10/15 days, would it be advisable to keep it on or just turn it on when you make the print and thus avoid continuing to count the time of the 3 months when keeping it on? Thank you!
I'd leave it on - the 3 months is based on elapsed time, not 'on time'
@@KeithCooperok thank you so much!!
It can do other deep clean cycles, but the 3 months is an 'at least this often' figure.
The data I've seen is about the PRO-1000, but I've no reason to thing the 1100 will be a lot different.
How do we see the cleaning log in accounting software ? I can only see the ink cost of every print, it seems that I only used less than 80ml in printing, but all of my ink tanks decreased like 1/4 or even more, I print 1 to 2 times a day. And another thing, since the printer does cleaning when you print the first time after 24 hours, if you leave it for a long time, will it trigger the "big" cleaning other than the 3 months circle ? If not, then we leave it for weeks and do printering, that only wastes 3 ml ink.
Even if I consider the ink wasted in cleaning, that's about 1/6 for now, which would be around 40 ml, they add up to around 120ml ink, but again the ink level decreased way more than that. And I am calculating all these after the first cleaning in the installation of the printer. Could it be that there're just so much ink in the printer head ?
There is no cleaning log - that is the extra information assiduously collected by the person who kindly sent me all their data. If you want that you will have to get it yourself by weighing the ink carts and maintenance cart.
Yes - it is complex...
@@KeithCooper I am not quite sure what the indicator of cleaning is, is the "agitating ink" ? I did a printing 20 hours ago and then I still get this message before the printing starts.
No - the ink agitation is a completely different 'feature' it doesn't use ink AFAIK
@@KeithCooper Then what's the exact signal(indicator) for cleaning ?
Also maybe a good idea is to automate a nozzle check print every 23h, that would be minimal ink waste for maintenance
Or even just leave the printer and bunch up printing? - this really is splitting hairs ;-)
My feeling is that if the minutiae of ink use is an issue, it should be added carefully to the choices as to if this is the actually right printer for someone?
when you say the 3 month cleaning takes 50ml, is that per cartridge or all together? same question for the 24hr rule?
No - in total...
50ml per 80ml cart would be a disaster...
Yeah i was like wtf? 😅 @KeithCooper
Forgive me if I missed it, and I see from Mr Blubb's comment that his data is from a printer on UPS, but . . . Do you believe (know?) if keeping the printer powered on has any meaningful ink savings if the printer is running on the 24 hour and 3 month cleaning cycles regardless? I.e., is there a third "power on" cleaning cycle? If I were to leave my 1100 powered off for 48 hours, which cleaning cycle is it going to run when I turn it back on?
BTW, I was in Dallas this past week and stopped in at Red River Paper. Told 'em, "Keith sent me!" Nice folks there.
I don't know for sure. My only reference was going away and turning off for a week [and unplugging] with the massive clean when I returned and switched it on. That was not a '3 month clean'
Obviously more info is needed...
Yes - a helpful company
@@KeithCooper OK, thanks. I've only had mine for a couple of weeks now, but I've started collecting data . . . perhaps it will be of use to you and others at some point. I had a power outage; so, I just left the printer off for a week before I restarted it today. Weighing the waste cartridge before and after, it looks like it used less than one mL of ink on startup (assuming ink is close to water in density.)
Thanks
Canon should design the next gen printer to have a large "Cleaning Cartridge", which contains some sort of chemical mix, and will be used to clean all the head with additional tubes to all nozzles. By doing that, only the cleaning fluid cartridge and maintenance cartridge need to be change regularly, and all the colour inks will be used for the print.
That would take the biggest change in desktop inkjet printer design for 30 years.
The ink is currently designed to be the working fluid for the printhead [much like adding two-stroke oil to fuel]
Such a system will have to perfectly block the ink tubes so as to not introduce contaminants (eg air, dust etc). Then disengage those ink tubes. Next engage the cleaner fluid tubes to the print head. Do a clean cycle. Disenage the cleaner fluid tubes. Somehow dry the print head of all cleaner fluid. Finally, re-engage the ink tubes, again without introducing contaminants. Is that possible?
Dear Mr Cooper. May you tell me the Resolution pf Pro 1100 and Pro 300 which one is better (when we using lightroom to print, on Pro 300, we can set it: 1440, how about the Pro 1100 (2880?). Thanks
Meaningless numbers for any comparison
See here for some essential context
www.northlight-images.co.uk/best-canon-pro-300-driver-settings/
Those new Lucia Pro 1100 inks look really good in the maintenance cartridge.🤥
Yes - the difference is clear to see
So if I understand you correctly, don't print daily, print weekly and you will use the same amount of ink for cleaning even after not using the printer for 6-7 days ?????
That is what I understand from the data I was sent. Just the one '24hr' clean - others depend on whether you just go over 24 hrs or not.
You can print daily and will probably save some cleaning cycles if the pauses between subsequent prints are always sufficiently short. But printing one A4 page every 2nd day would definitely be a waste of ink. My suggestion is to print as rarely as possible. There is no penalty on cleaning less often, i.e. not more ink is used when cleaning after a 2 weeks break than after a 48 hours break.
@@Imaging80 yeah I've been lead to believe even printing a 6 x 4 image everyday will stop the cleaning cycles but it must be less than 24 hours by the clock..I've been trying to do that but it seems wasteful in both paper and ink, I'll try to print once to twice a week and see how that fairs...I'm not up to speed on what's really necessary to keep a printer working optimally but it somehow seems a little like a scam on Canons part, surely there's a better way to avoid such waste .
Keeping the printer on and letting the system clean the nozzles is a lot less expensive than replacing the printhead, costing almost $700 US
Yes - if that were a known trade-off.
It isn't though, which adds to the lack of clarity in what is optimal
I have data related to my PRO-1000 --> $0, which is the balance of my bank account. Great pics though!
I'm sure that's in that spreadsheet somewhere ;-)
@@gary4739 😂
Wow that person who provided the data just received a lot of good karma!
Yes - a big thanks for being so thorough...
Thank you for the kind words!