In every company there is that 1 old man who has been there for a very long time and he thinks he knows everything and you cant tell him anything. Ratha is that old man in court !!!
Yes Siyavuya... Why would you confess and later say you didn't? People who confess are people who are peace and willing to take their punishment. You get arrested for one matter but you start confessing out of the blue to a matter you were not arrested for? Plz.....
That man was only good at memorizing in his learning career. I'm now convinced he can't operate outside the box. I repeat, I pity all those found guilty by him
With Rams lack of follow up I think this os deliberate. He is s an experience lawyer not to realise that some answers need to be followed up. I think he position on this one is just to throw the question and not give Gininda too much ground to play on. This is going to be exposed by the other lawyers.
That's like Bafana Bafana depending on South Sudan to beat Congo for them to qualify. Ramosepele is representing Ntanzi, that is his major responsibility, which cannot be shed onto counsels of other accused. Whatever he does, or doesn't do will determine Ntanzi's fate. That man was leaving a lot stuff hanging. Not driving points home. Gininda was bullying him. You can contrast that with how Adv. Mnisi is handling Gininda from the get go!!! Fighting for every inch in defense of his client. And letting Gininda know early on that he's not gonna have his way! That's how a criminal defense lawyer should be.
I love Ramo but m sad also thought he could have pushed/pressed soo much harder. NTanzi has been thru the PITS in terms of how he suffered at the hands of Gininda n all his DEMONS .
@@Turtleback8024 that's so true. Besides, your client should have a sense that you are fighting for him, so that he can have confidence. The client should be satisfied such that even if you lose, he knows that you tried. Ntanzi looked so dejected..... 😢
King, I'm glad that you're finally seeing what we were complaining about in regards to Ramosepele. He dropped the ball too many times in my opinion. I don't even know if he's revisited the points he said he was _"parking?"_ He's more of a family lawyer than a criminal lawyer.
Good point...if a person confessed ,why shouldn't that person repeat the same in an open court...not this confessions to magistrate when one is escorted by a heavy contingent of police.
Gininda is about to finish writting his exams and he never submitted his writing timetable/schedule. The judge with an elephant memory was still not recalling or was he clouded by his obvious biasness.
I wonder why the video Cronje took to protect herself was not allowed. I get that it was unconstitutional to secretly film but sometimes fruit from the poison tree can help
I believe what Ratha share with us is merely those "To these I may add' sort of stuffs. He didnt share us the core of the complaint. He just uses the other officials to bark onbhis behalf, and it happened. Theres has been more serious complaints or anger against Rathat but those vanishvthrough thin air due tovred tape and how more serious is what he read to us to squeeze through such red tape. It was something else for sure
They take breaks cos issues rise up. And they did explain that other prisoners arrive late like yesterday. There's no way the court can operate like your office space.
Ratha deliberately chose to misinterpret what Mnisi was saying. Mnisi wanted a statement that says there was communication between accused 3 and Kelly. 01 simply said there is a link but didn't say anything about communication. The judge is misleading the court. Wait a minute, i forgot the judge is the court . They are trying to make us believe Mnisi was wrong
I agree King.... Mnisi wanted a statement from Steyn that mentioned "communication", not linkages. Gininda said it was there, Baloyi said it wasn't. Baloyi was correct though, to say it's not there because it's true. The statement mentioning communication doesn't exist. Gininda lied
Bra um really in pain for ntanzi 😭 I feel like I am useless person because I can't help ntanzi. I hope mngomezulu he's going to help ntanzi ramosepele don't care us useless lawyer
The judge is biased and Baloi is doing as he pleases. Why Ramosipili didn't ask where is the 6th suspect. They said they don't want hearsay stories but they are using it. Who's fooling who here.
Gininda does not answer simple questions he makes boring story to entertain Boloyi and Judge Ratha. Than to answering Yes or No is waisting time for the case that was solved same day.
Ratha never read what is in letter he skip important thing an mention something not In the letter. Baloi an ratha think they are special in this court. Ramosepele is useless he doesn't fight for ntanzi he's helping state 😢 I think he agree to receive money from state for ntanzi to be guilty.
Baloyi did well by doing that because the defense consists of 4 members. However, non of them knew that this was handed over many moons ago. The defense must read and diarise like Baloyi is doing. The statement was long handed over as exhibit "O"
Which defense team, Ramosepele? He is the only one because people are not happy with his cross-exam. I understand why he does. Which defense team are you mentioning?
In every company there is that 1 old man who has been there for a very long time and he thinks he knows everything and you cant tell him anything. Ratha is that old man in court !!!
Ratha cannot hide his position but God will bring a breakthrough.
Yes the letter did not say they must not take breakfast or lunch but Ratha continue lying in court
You are absolutely right n correct mr. May the Lord continue to intervene in this case
You are right about the confession.. If I take the stand and I say No I didn't confess then that should be case closed
Yes Siyavuya... Why would you confess and later say you didn't? People who confess are people who are peace and willing to take their punishment. You get arrested for one matter but you start confessing out of the blue to a matter you were not arrested for? Plz.....
@vusuthandomachobane8187 😂😂😂 They think we are kids
That man was only good at memorizing in his learning career. I'm now convinced he can't operate outside the box. I repeat, I pity all those found guilty by him
@myrahtshabalala5473 Yes its a shame....
With Rams lack of follow up I think this os deliberate. He is s an experience lawyer not to realise that some answers need to be followed up. I think he position on this one is just to throw the question and not give Gininda too much ground to play on. This is going to be exposed by the other lawyers.
That's like Bafana Bafana depending on South Sudan to beat Congo for them to qualify. Ramosepele is representing Ntanzi, that is his major responsibility, which cannot be shed onto counsels of other accused. Whatever he does, or doesn't do will determine Ntanzi's fate. That man was leaving a lot stuff hanging. Not driving points home. Gininda was bullying him. You can contrast that with how Adv. Mnisi is handling Gininda from the get go!!! Fighting for every inch in defense of his client. And letting Gininda know early on that he's not gonna have his way! That's how a criminal defense lawyer should be.
I love Ramo but m sad also thought he could have pushed/pressed soo much harder. NTanzi has been thru the PITS in terms of how he suffered at the hands of Gininda n all his DEMONS .
@@Turtleback8024 that's so true. Besides, your client should have a sense that you are fighting for him, so that he can have confidence. The client should be satisfied such that even if you lose, he knows that you tried. Ntanzi looked so dejected..... 😢
I now realise why rata accepted those confessions, they are the only ones that ginyinja keeps referring to for every question
True since the day those letters were accepted thats when i realized that those guys are going down. They is no justice in that court
Even the interpreter misinterpreted that latter
@@mbusimt5905 Imagine the irony of that conundrum. Interpreter should have done something to clarify.
Interpreter is most likely team state.
Thats what we now know 😮😮😮😮😮😢😢😢😢😢
King, I'm glad that you're finally seeing what we were complaining about in regards to Ramosepele. He dropped the ball too many times in my opinion. I don't even know if he's revisited the points he said he was _"parking?"_ He's more of a family lawyer than a criminal lawyer.
Ratha wants to make a name for himself by charging innocent people in the Senzo Meyiwa case
The worst he can do to his legacy.
THIS OLD MAN IS REALLY SOMETHING ELSE MAN. 😮😮😮😮
I wonder how many innocent persons he has sentenced
Good point...if a person confessed ,why shouldn't that person repeat the same in an open court...not this confessions to magistrate when one is escorted by a heavy contingent of police.
Gininda is about to finish writting his exams and he never submitted his writing timetable/schedule. The judge with an elephant memory was still not recalling or was he clouded by his obvious biasness.
I agree with you 100 percent so it was communication bt now it changed to a link thank you
The accused shd have been released when tge DNA did not place then in that house and whem tantzi proved that he never had a gold tooth.
They case should have been thrown out when it was established that the crime scene was tampered with.
I wonder why the video Cronje took to protect herself was not allowed. I get that it was unconstitutional to secretly film but sometimes fruit from the poison tree can help
@Ru5672 I think they probably told Ratha that the audio will not match the paper confessions. Hence he disallowed it.
I believe what Ratha share with us is merely those "To these I may add' sort of stuffs. He didnt share us the core of the complaint. He just uses the other officials to bark onbhis behalf, and it happened. Theres has been more serious complaints or anger against Rathat but those vanishvthrough thin air due tovred tape and how more serious is what he read to us to squeeze through such red tape. It was something else for sure
That old man is cruel and evil he total peed and manipulate that letter.. His misbehaving and colliding once again..
They take breaks cos issues rise up. And they did explain that other prisoners arrive late like yesterday. There's no way the court can operate like your office space.
Nobody said what you are insinuating. If you came late. What's the need for a short break. U just came from outside.
AT first when the police who arrested Ntanzi at mine where he was staying They called him with another name why did Rams not ask all those questions
Ntanzi needs to start thinking about his own fate. And not leave it in the hands of Ramosepele.
Yep king.
Wonder why that statement was given to Linda mnisi...☹️☹️, He positioned himself close to them. Coz he so biased my King... 🤝
@SiyandaManyala They know he is a biased and compromised pseudo-journalist my king.
@@kingsnqueenspodcastLinda Mnisi is putting his career in jeopardy 🧑🦽🧑🦽🧑🦽🧑🦽
100% Ratha has guilty verdict long ago
Lets come out in numbers and demonstrate
Ratha deliberately chose to misinterpret what Mnisi was saying. Mnisi wanted a statement that says there was communication between accused 3 and Kelly. 01 simply said there is a link but didn't say anything about communication. The judge is misleading the court. Wait a minute, i forgot the judge is the court . They are trying to make us believe Mnisi was wrong
I agree King.... Mnisi wanted a statement from Steyn that mentioned "communication", not linkages. Gininda said it was there, Baloyi said it wasn't. Baloyi was correct though, to say it's not there because it's true. The statement mentioning communication doesn't exist. Gininda lied
Bra um really in pain for ntanzi 😭 I feel like I am useless person because I can't help ntanzi. I hope mngomezulu he's going to help ntanzi ramosepele don't care us useless lawyer
@@chukuannah3835 I understand my sister. I UNDERSTAND Queen.
The judge is biased and Baloi is doing as he pleases. Why Ramosipili didn't ask where is the 6th suspect. They said they don't want hearsay stories but they are using it. Who's fooling who here.
Gininda does not answer simple questions he makes boring story to entertain Boloyi and Judge Ratha. Than to answering Yes or No is waisting time for the case that was solved same day.
Ratha never read what is in letter he skip important thing an mention something not In the letter. Baloi an ratha think they are special in this court. Ramosepele is useless he doesn't fight for ntanzi he's helping state 😢 I think he agree to receive money from state for ntanzi to be guilty.
@@chukuannah3835 I'm really suspecting things too.
@chukuannah do you remember Mr Thobane said Gininda said to him "Give me Ntanzi"? I'll never forget that
@@vusuthandomachobane8187 I remember that is ramosepele now he did it now he come to black medium mxm
What happened to that case they alway quote that you cant use a mistake against the defendant??
@Ru5672 Yo royalty. They forgot R vs Hepworth. They use it only when the state has made a mistake.
@kingsnqueenspodcast selective application of the law. The defense should throw it back at the court
Baloyi did well by doing that because the defense consists of 4 members. However, non of them knew that this was handed over many moons ago. The defense must read and diarise like Baloyi is doing. The statement was long handed over as exhibit "O"
Wrong again. So why did Baloyi first say it was nor there? Then a few minutes later he produced what Ginindza didn't talk about.
The defense team also had a problem with that letter. But you only have issue with Ratha.
Which defense team, Ramosepele? He is the only one because people are not happy with his cross-exam. I understand why he does. Which defense team are you mentioning?