SDPC Gen 3 5.3L Cam Shootout!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- In this video we run a remanufactured 5.3L on our engine dyno with a selection of our most popular off the shelf grinds! All parts tested are available at bit.ly/Scoggin...
Want to jump ahead? Click the time stamps below:
3:33 - Bone Stock
4:25 - Stock 5.3L w/ TBSS Intake and 92mm TB
7:54 - SD0053 Cam, TBSS Intake & 92mm TB
10:50 - LS6 Power max Cam, TBSS Intake & 92mm TB
13:24 - LS6 Power max PLUS Cam, TBSS Intake & 92mm TB
16:26 - LS6 Power max PLUS Cam & stock intake/TB
18:27 - Summary
Products featured in this video:
LM4 Engine: sdparts.com/i-...
Hot Truck Torque Cam: sdparts.com/i-...
LS6 Power Max Cam: sdparts.com/i-...
LS6 Power Max Plus Cam: sdparts.com/i-...
TBSS Intake:
sdparts.com/i-...
sdparts.com/i-...
Nick Williams TB: sdparts.com/i-...
PAC1218 Valvesprings: sdparts.com/i-...
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Finally, a NO BS camshaft video.
Amazing! A NO B.S. actual comparison between not only CAMS, but with a couple of INTAKES.... All before your eyes ON THE DYNO, by a gent that loves getting up in the morning...lol!
THIS is how they should be done, KUDO'S to the crew at S.D.! Earned my sub! Thank you, Seth
@@luisavelar9883 No doubt!
Best thing ever going back to the old intake. Thanks a ton.
The NNBS/TBSS intake still is fine... I wouldn't swap back if you have already done it. It was virtually the same as the old style intake. But like he said. If you plan on camming you will see gains from the NNBS or TBSS intake.
You will lose some power due to intake velocity since the 706 heads are smaller.
@@taylormade4049 It's been dyno tested and it loses nothing on a stock cam LM7 but it doesn't gain anything either.
@@joemeyers1016 yeah richard holdner has a million videos on stuff like this
I have a LS2 crate engine with LS3 CNC ported heads that was purchased in 2008 from SDPC it has a single plane intake a Holley 850 hp carberator and 1 7/8 longtube headers it has a hydraulic roller cam that the SDPC tech recommend it has duration in the upper middle 230s and 600 lift in my 1984 Monte Carlo SS it's still in the car runs as good or better than when first installed 13 years ago I've had many performance engines through out my life none have been as reliable or have performed close to this engine this engine cruises good from idle to 3000rpm from 3000rpm to 7200rpm it is a absolute beast these tech guys at SDPC are in my opinion the absolute best these guys know what they are doing and they would be my #1 choice if needing LS performance parts or crate engines I've been more than happy with the engine they sold me for 13 years now they are highly recommend by me another thing l noticed with this engine is there doesn't seem to be a tapering or a dramatic falloff of power or struggling between 6000rpm to 7200rpm it pulls hard and revs fast to the 7200rpm rev limiter with absolutely no power falloff every old style small block I've ever had even with a solid cam seem to struggle or the power fell off sharply above 6000rpm this LS engine absolutely does not
Now procharge it and you won’t believe the power
Been driving a couple months now with the ls6 max plus cam and loving it! Still haven't re-tuned. No drivability issues yet. Hunts idle in FL cold weather (40s outside) after warmed up and restart after going to store etc but smoothens back out. Car is 98 ws6 t56 4.10s, 243 heads, z06 ls6 cam, fast 78mm intake and all the bolt ons and tune. Made low 390s and 386wtq on dynojet. With max plus cam swap, I ported my 243s. I def broke 400whp mark! Again, haven't retuned. Still tuned with z06 ls6 top end. Again, max plus is a great mid level cam for a DD with a nice chop in idle!
This is exactly the info I need . I will be calling you guys when I get this motor pulled. Thanks for the video and great info
Just ordered my SD0053. Excited to get this engine built this winter when It’s cold and snowy out. Thanks guys!
I know you bud! You used to ride along with me on some Mexico runs back in the day! Glad your still in the ls scene. This is TonyLs2.
Thanks dude, how are things?
Good work guys. The old LM7/LR4 heads, the 706 and 862 castings have always been overlooked and regarded as junk because they don't make a giant number on the flow bench. Most folks don't understand head flow dynamics and just listen to their buddies or advertisements and choose the biggest number they can get their hands on. Velocity and overall port design is far more important than flow rate at .700" Those early heads, 706/862 design work pretty good on a 6.0, a co-worker used a set on a 6.0 on an old pickup with a 220 degree cam and LM7 intake and the torque spread is fantastic. Pulls really good in the low and middle, torque you can actually feel mashing us into the seat and it still doesn't feel choked off in upper rpm range
Great video. Great display of data. Thank you. At stock the intake doesnt seem to make a huge different. The TBSS shows it colors with the cam upgrade. .
I figured they would be expensive and msrp on their site is 400 but they are on sale for like $238 so real good price
Great job on this comparison from my home town peeps. I bought two of the 0053 cams . One is in a 6.0 LQ4 with the TBSS intake and 706 5.3 heads. I’m considering stepping up to the next level but it’s in a 72 one ton dually and I don’t want to lose drivability! I’m probably gonna try it but this one I buy in person with a trip back to my home town!
Any dyno #s for the hot truck tq cam? I was looking at the ht1 cam for my lq9 with 243 or 823 head build for my 04 Tahoe after already buying the ls6 max cam for my ls6 top end ws6. But went with the bigger max plus cam. So now I have the ls6 max cam laying around, should be interesting to see final outcome. I think I'm going to run the 823 heads for my truck (since will locwer comp ratio) and factory l92 intake mani vs the 243s thst I hand ported. Not looking for max effort. Just nice lil mild cam. Tho the ls6 max plus is deceiving. Feels much bigger than you'd expect. Hence the 88hp and 40tq gains on a 5.3 coming close to 450hp. Which Holdner's 5.3 factory cam shootout, the LS6 cam was just under 410hp with factory lm7 intake. Tbss might have help to make 420hp. The factory ls7 cam made 422hp/395tq and peaking at 6300 rpms just like these SDPC LS6 cams. And the Ls7 cam is like a "cheater" cam from the factory with 211/230 duration. I haven't gotten a chance to retune and dyno my 98 ws6 since I ported the 243s and swappes the factory Z06 LS6 cam with SDPC LS6 Power Max Plus cam. But my old #s were 392whp/386wtq on a dynojet. Porting my 243s alone would push me over 400whp. But I think factory LS6 cam vs. SDPC LS6 power max plus cam is good for 25whp. But the new 6L gen3 crate that GMPP has out comes with rect port heads and the 02-04 LS6 cam and is rated at 452hp flywheel. It is a remanned lq9 shortblock being its flattop piston's. So with the SDPC LS6 power max cam would be closer to 480hp flywheel. I'd be very happy if I hit 400whp in my truck. So that is why I'm very interested in what you made with truck cam.
And that's why we do business with you guys. You shoot it straight!
I have the hot truck cam in my truck and love it!! Good power and torque for pulling my car trailer.
how you animate the dyno graphs and recap each result and also how you mapped out all three cam results on on still frame with icons and descriptions talking about good supporting mods and best use scenario is great. Ive never seen that. Also how you did a final definitive test in the intake and TB gains swapping back to stock intake to see the HP and TQ from the trailblazer SD intake. 👌👌👌👌👍👍👍👍
Thanks for the kind words! It was fun putting the video together.
Thanks for doing this video. I will be doing a similar build as tested here. Putting a fresh 5.3 LM7 in my 2000 GMC Yukon 5.3 4wd. Going to do the LS6 powermax cam with TBSS intake/92mm tb, Circle D 300mm converter, 1 3/4" LT headers into stock cat back. It's currently running a 2002 flex fuel OS and flex sensor, so it will be drinking 2.49 a gallon E85 instead of 4.00 premium. It's not a daily, I just use it to pull my fishing boat and occasional trips where I need more room.
Just wanted to update. So we did a stock baseline on my Yukon with E fans and E85 it made 239whp/269wtq on a Mustang dyno in 2nd gear. With the upgrades I mentioned above, power jumped to 321whp/313wtq. So we picked up 82whp/44wtq through the Circle D 2800 stall. The Circle D converter is still really tight. It only shows about 150rpm of slip up top, so likely not costing very much power up top and it actually acts like a 2500 stall in the Yukon. Drives similar to a 2500HD truck. It still has great low speed torque and much stronger pull through the midrange and up top. Power peaks at 5900rpm and holds flat to 6400rpm if you want to rev it out that far.
I just received my pro max plus in the mail. I can’t wait to put it in the motor. Thanks for a great in depth video. It’s not easy to go to performance shop and ask 1000 questions about the cams I was considering. This cam is exactly what I was looking for. I have a mild build going on for my 94 mustang. I’m putting the cam in a l33. Thanks again
Make sure to post the dyno with wheel hp numbers
This video is 🔥 great info, well presented and amazing attitude!!
Great video guys ! The Scoggin-Dickey Performance Posse , the boys from Lubbock Texas
Good test. I like the low rpm start all the way up to 6500!
Great video. Thanks for explaining every swap without making my eyes glaze over, usually I get lost. Good shite…
Great video! I have your 205/210 cam for my 5.3 suburban (tuned, cai, dt tri-y longtubes).
More information.
Does it run smoothly?🤔
What M.P.G.
1. PULL A BASS BOAT ?🤔
2. PULL A SKI BOAT ?🤔
3. PULL A TRAVEL TRAILER ?🤔
How do you like the cam?
I managed to get my hands on an aluminum block envoy XUV engine. I was stoked
I have one too from a trailblazer. Getting it ready for my S10😎
@@seancervantes1 funny you say that becuz mine is an S10 blazer Xtreme😂
Love the video. Hope to see more from yal.
I have the powermax plus in a 2000 ext Silverado with an LS1 and I really like it. I had a tsp s2 truck and it was lazy in comparison. The 4L60 lasted 8 days after I installed it. For comparison, the tsp was in for 5k miles.
Just now seeing this, but as a Jeep with a 5.3 LM7 swap this was super helpful. Been considering a cam and TBSS intake for my next motor.
just ordered my cam , waiting on yall to ship it to me lol , paid a week ago
Not me with a 23x/23x .6xx/.6xx lift camshaft in my 5.3 😂 very good video!
Please do a video like this on the 6.2
I want more out of my silverado but nervous about doing anything
It's an LS.. It can take abuse! Go for it
@@Over_Taxed_USA 😂😂😂😂not sure what you’re smoking but it must be good
I own a 6.2 my neighbor owns a new 5.0 and I kill him everytime we race
if you don't have 35K to through at an engine, this info. is helpful. The stock engine (358 HP) in a light car, would be a good start for a bracket car. A set of custom race headers may be worth, as much as, 20 HP. Cool video. Thanks for posting.
Great video! I just picked up a wrecked Chev 2wd L59 5.3 and this is my first vehicle that will run on E85 so im trying to figure out a good combo while its at the frame shop, then im gonna finish up the paint and she'll be ready.
One variable is missing here, stock truck manifolds with stock style cats.
Do you have any dyno runs on the " tow power plus" cam that you also sell the 202 / 207 ? would like to see how that cam compares to the stock lm7 cam and the hot truck torque 205 / 210 cam ?
Your doing a great job. Look forward to the next one.
Great video using GM parts..well except for the Pac valve springs,but this is close enough..helped me a lot !
1. Need a graph of, Ignition Timing.
2. Need graph of, Fuel Cruve.
OR
Factory Computer set up for this Engine/cam combination.
These parts are paper weights, WITHOUT the fuel curve maps & ignition timing map.
Fuel curve and timing is going to be different over the range of vehicles and combinations the customers might be using. We used a Holley Dominator as it simplifies our setups on the engine dyno with the various harness needs.
Base calibrations on a factory pcm just isn't in the best interest for us, or the customer since we don't perform tuning services. These aren't wild camshaft combos, any competent tuner should be able to get their base map for these ironed out with their eyes closed.
Cool vid , best part was swapping back to original intake
Great video! Awesome job.
Cam and Lifters + a tune = $1000. 41HP for $1000 dollars or $24 per HP. $14 per HP for the middle cam and $11 per hp for the large camshaft.
I know you can’t test everything but I would’ve liked to see the trailblazer intake with the smallest of the upgraded cams.
Oh, we must not have been clear enough in a description somewhere but the Hot Truck Torque cam was with the TBSS intake. We kept the TBSS intake on there through all the other cams and then switch back to the stock intake to see how much it lost which was a drop in ~25hp and 25tq.
Sequence was:
All stock
1) TBSS Intake only
2) Hot Truck Torque/TBSS
3) LS6 Power Max/TBSS
4) LS6 Power Max Plus/TBSS
5) LS6 Power Max Plus/Stock intake
Would have like to have seen what constitutes too much cam. Kind of expensive to keep upping the lift until you find the limit on your own. And it must be somewhat subjective. Some are willing to run higher idles if necessary. And is there a formula for sizing throttle bodies? Can you have too much TB?
That's a good cam and intake comparison! Sure like the middle cam for my 6.0 2500 2 wheel dr tow truck! I was wondering how much torque and horsepower it would gain and get that dod delete off I would have a real truck then!
Awesome Research and development
The torque curve between 3k and 4k has a pretty decent drop. Why?
I must say I like the enthusiasm.
This gets loud so turn your volume down.
Just bought this(because of this video) 204/222,going in a tahoe,waiting on machine shop bore 5.3 to 5.7,going stock 862 heads.Anyone do this combo?Anything close?
Wonder if anyone noticed how the huge split cam picked up impressive power but then the close split was more like “meh”
Great video. Thanks 👍👍
Ive always wanted a 6.0 but maybe i should consider a 5.3 with a cam upgrade. Idk its still 325 cubic inches. I like bigger motors like 364 cubic inch
Nice video my friend: the best of the best
Great video!
Thanks!
Just ordered this and springs today
Excellent video guys, I have built and help build several 5.3 combos, for the money the tbss intake sure seems to be worth it! I’m about to put a fast intake on my 370 cubic inch ls swapped bmw, I’m on a Ls1 throttle body and ls6 intake, so I know there will be a good difference
Supposedly the Doman LS2 intake provides nearly identical numbers to the TBSS intake in case you ever need another option.
@@natemoothart6967 price jumped to 900 dollars for those.
@@metalmanipulations7137 Jesus lmao they were like 1/4 of that price🤣
358 hp 359 - 389 SD 350 401 hp
99 - 06 manifold LS 6 power max
433 torque 422 hp 70 over stock
Yankton SD mental hospital
204-222 430HP
220-222 exh 449 HP
We need you to do this shootout with lq4 ly6 6.0 liter ls
This video is great! Great content and info!! I really like the drivability aspect! I got a LM7 from an 03 tahoe, and really like the power max cam. Does that require a higher stall tc?? Thanks for the video! New subscriber here!
2000-2200 rpm.
Nick breaks it down a bit more on components towards the end @18:28
You guys doing anything for the LS4 5.3L engines?
Not at this time. Check out Furches Performance though, he has been doing LS4 kits for awhile now.
www.LS4king.com
Would love to see how the z+ cam compares. I just put one in my ls1 project.
Not bad I like the first cam I Really like to drive my car without all the motor knocking and have that power also
How would your motor "knock" from a cam swap if your motor is healthy to begin with?
Great video, I wonder how that super max cam will do and sound on a stroked 5.3 to 363cc?
Great video!
Just for curiosity how much power do you think it takes to run the accessories?
Thanks Scott
Good stuff
The only thing I see is in the last dyno pull showing the NNBS/TBSS intake on the pull. I can see the thick cast/join line clearly across the intake, that is not found on the old style 99-06 intake. So that confuses me...What I was watching? Or am I going crazy? The intake that I see at 16:27 is the NNBS intake.
Live this I want to upgrade my cam on my gen 5 5.3 and like to know what works.
Just found your videos,lots of good information, what about a 6.0 cam
Thank You P.O. Soon
Will the 205/210 cam work on a 4.8L if so can I leave everything else on the engine stock ?
You can run it in a 4.8, but it is on the very limit of what a stock converter can handle. everything else can be stock.
I was thinking the same thing..my 07' GMC Sierra 1500 has the 4.8L and came with the 243 heads stock..wanting to experiment a little.
How would the ls6 power max lus cam work with a lsa blower? I know its not made for a blower. But i think it should work pretty good. As is. I really want to keep it with my upcoming lsa build.
what would have happened if you took the "truck torque cam" and ground another one with say 112 lsa. Wouldn't it put thee peak lower in the rpm? there by getting the stock converter and rear gear closer to optimum? I would tend to think the truck would respond better.
I would really like to pick up the power Max cam, can somebody provide me a link?
Yup, it's in the description but here's the link!
sdparts.com/i-24132276
I want to see the numbers on a 6.0 lq4 with 706 heads the LS6 power max plus cam
Maybe a little bit of ... boost 🤣 yes yes yes.
You said the power max plus wasn’t recommended for a 4wd or a heavier pickup What is the training for that? What about a 3200 lbs 4wd with all upgraded drive train and deep gears 5.38’s
Also how do y’all think the power max plus would do with changing the LSA to 109-110
you don't need a 92mm throttle body, or bigger than 1-5/8" headers at that power. there should have been a cam between the two LS6 cams.
We do have our HT1 cam, but we of course had time constraints on doing this back-to-back comparison.
sdparts.com/i-24120754
I wonder if they adjust the Tune each time or if they just slap the parts on and just floor it to see the Dyno results
How about a cam with a tighter LSA? Say 108-109
Should do ls6 power max plus vs Z+221 cam
Would love to see what the difference on dyno between ls6 max plus vs z+221 cam. Do you have a dyno reading for the z+221 cam?
Thanks
08:03 whats up with that dip in TQ from 3000-3500??
That 1st cam sure had a wonky torque curve for a LS truck cam.
Looking for camshaft option for my 2007 LY5. Driveability being the main factor as woul dbe my daily driver. Only mods I have so far is headers, tune and intake. Would the 205/210 work for me?
That cam is designed for exactly what you want. You will need these:
sdparts.com/i-20089467
sdparts.com/i-22747975
I’ll order the sdr ls6 cam.
I'd like to see the LS6 PM Plus cam in a 6.0 L.. I bet that might get close to 475 at the crank..
Idk.. but in my 98 WS6 t56 4.10s.. i went from my LS6 top end making SAE (not STD) on dynojet 392whp & 387wtq. I ported my 243s while they were off and swapped the 02-04 LS6 cam for the sdpc LS6 max plus cam.. feels like an extra 50whp. Haven't retuned it yet. Have just the ole fast 78mm intake with all the goodies
@@charliecadaver666 Nice.. the PM Plus is a bit hotter for sure.
What a tremendous video!
Did you tune the engine between cams?
Yes we did
Why did the torque go flat and even dip between 3000 - 3700 RPM? That to me looks like it could be tuning related.
We didn't do any timing adjustments, just the base pump gas calibration and kept it that way for each cam.
@@Sdpartscenter ah ok, so someone like me who would dyno tune it with a wideband and some premium fuel and mess with timing could expect a little more power numbers and possibly smooth out the curves.
When will the ls6 cam plus b back in stoc
Could I use the Max Plus cam in a 2006 GMC Sierra Denali all wheel drive with a 6.0 engine?
i like ur style
I'm 1 1/2 years engine negative in my 2020 Trail boss L-87 416 stroker TSP/Ligenfelter Whipple.. 1200HP Daily. Few more months. Who has a intank fuel pump with +70lb?
Aeromotive has a dual and triple 450lph drop-in for the trucks. We carry a lot of their products but don't have those in stock at the moment.
aeromotiveinc.com/product/phantom-series-2005-2017-gm-truck-direct-drop-in/
got a question for u my brother....i got 1990 k5 blazer 5.7 just got the enging rebuild still have the swirl port heads on it and its pretty mush stock i have high perfomace intake im eliminating the computing trying to make my mine up if im going to go with a carb or some efi sniper..i have 700r4 trans and 4.10 gears and up graded my torque convert to a 2000 to 2400 stall ..it has a up grade cam in it howard cams ratter 188005-09 lift .525/530 and duration .050 ; 227/235 centerline 103 i want to no is that a good cam to go with them swirl port heads and would i be able to hear the cam..i dont no to mush about cams..i no the vortec or aluminum heads would have been better but the engine was already build already..i do have headers 3 inche pipes all the way back
Question where can i buy aftermarket parts like cams superchargers all that good stuff?
Didn’t see a spec on lift for ls6 power max plus also what’s the dip in torque from 3100-3500?
Dur: 220 int 222 exh, Lift: 0.570" int 0.570" exh, LSA 112(+2)
The dip is just something that exists on LS intake design. The way it was explained to me is that some dynos just seem to show it more than others.
Will the last cam work on my 99 4.8 vortec I gotta have that touch sound if not which one would u recommend?
I just ordered your power max plus but im curious as in to how well its going to work with a 5 speed.
Should work perfectly fine!
Is there anywhere that these tunes might be available for use as base tunes for different applications?
If you're using a Holley they should have base calibrations. If you're looking for HP Tuners based calibrations, I believe the guys at sloppy mechanics have a solid library of base cals that can get you started.
i watched this video with the 5.3 cam swaps i like the max plus outcome but you never gave all the details about that cam in lift and duration . i putting together a 87 s10 5.3 with turbo 400 3500 stall and 373 gear would you recommend the plus for this build . Thanks any info will be much appreciated thanks again Brian
Hi Brian,
Cam specs are in the link here:
sdparts.com/i-24138755-sdpc-ls6-power-max-plus-camshaft-upgrade-for-5-7l-6-0l-6-2l.html
As far as if it is a good option for your build, it could be, depends on what you plan to do with the S10 if it is strictly strip duty, or street with a little drag racing here and there. I can get some better info from our guys on Monday.
I'm putting together a 86 Buick regal w/ 5.3 swap and a 3000 converter w/ 373 gears. For Strip/Street what cam would you recommend and why.
Sounds like the open ended questions on tests, only thing you left out was asking them to show their work 😂
Great vid ,,What would be a good overall cam across the board for a 5.3 swap in a IROC with stock converter ?
The Hot Truck Torque would work fine. The LS6 Powermax might as well since it's in a car and not a truck.
@@Sdpartscenter ,,What would be the HP gains with the 2
Do you need to change to push rods on the sd0053
what's the part number on the VALVE SPRING
Pac1218, looks like we mentioned it but didn't link to it. Sorry bout that!
sdparts.com/i-24140272
I have an 02 lm7 .. been looking at it for 10 plus years on what to do with it.. was for my 79 Malibu... that’s another story.. the LS6 powermax cam .. what springs do you need.. what intake ? Where can it be bought ? Ty
Hi Anthony,
Get the camshaft here: sdparts.com/i-24132276
We recommend this spring kit: sdparts.com/i-24502336
If you have room under the hood, the TBSS intake works really well, or you can run an LS6 Intake. You can get the TBSS intake in the links in the description up above, the LS6 might need to hit up ebay or your facebook marketplace.