What Do These 25 Fighter Pilot Words Mean?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2024
- Ward explains the meaning of 25 fighter pilot terms (many of which he's used in previous channel episodes) including BOGEY, BANDIT, ANGELS, CHERUBS, SPIKE, NAKED, DELTA, BEADWINDOW, FOD, and WINCHESTER.
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As a crew chief I always liked the joke “how do you know a fighter pilot at a party? Give them 5 minutes and they will tell you”. Lol
I don't know man, I think AF fighter pilots are a bit more subdued than Navy guys; at least from my experience.
@@rodneybacio7402 Not the Raptor pilots. Most are arrogant as shit. I'll own it. I enjoy being asked what I do.
I can understand, as a mall marshal it's hard for me to not tell.
My dad was a WWII fighter pilot-in the Navy-and I can attest that the joke applies to the adult children of fighter pilots as well! Rest in glory, Dad. We’re forever proud of you. 🇺🇸
I was stationed at STRIKE, Pax River and MULTIPLE A/C platforms. The difference in aircrew and technicians between the A/C was very noticeable. This is at least 40 years old...What's the difference between a fighter pilot and God? God doesn't think he is a fighter pilot.
FOD: Foreign Object Debris. I remember spending 45 minutes upside down with a magnet on a stick fishing for a screw that my partner dropped under the ejection seat of a BONE.
All been there. Two days to remove a nut from the 10th Stage Bleed valve panel that had been dropped into the compressor of an Alison T-56 on a Herc. We learned some new swear words those two days . . .
FOD can be either; Foreign Object Debris or Foreign Object Damage. Depends on whether it's found pre- or post- incident. The ejection hatches on the downward firing BombNav and Nav on the B-52's were notorious for collecting FOD that was to be vacuumed out during the Pre-Flight - but was never as clean as it should/could be.
Ahh yes the dreaded dropped washer or fastener, or what ever. Using a bore scope to find it can be fun, you find all kinds of fluff, dust bunnies, old torque stripe that has fallen off. Went fishing for fod a lot working the B-2 flight test at Edwards for 30+ years, and did many a fod walk. Great memories.
Was it stainless??? Guess not or you would still be there.
@@BrianWMay
I’m not a aircraft mechanic, but instead I’m a Union Boilermaker that works in Refineries and Powerhouses, and we was working helping out the Mill-rites on the turbine, and they’re HUGE like 18 Wheeler Trailer big, and literally whenever we would go into the turbine area there’s a guy that sits there and writes down everything that’s brought into it from X Amount of nuts and screws washers tools whatever including everything you’re wearing on you, and everything has to be accounted for when you come out because the smallest thing can crash a multiple millions of bucks turbines that also causes the electric company to loose MILLIONS of bucks every day it’s down. Well somebody dropped a penny inside of the turbine and caused an extended 11 days shutdown. Needless to say that contractor will NEVER be allowed in that plant again
Former USAF here. I knew 95% of them, but you had me on a couple, that I think are specific to the Navy.
Ward covers 25 Procedure Words (prowords) that fighter pilots use. There are over a hundred that every pilot and Weapons Director (WD) must learn. They are like a complete language. They are used in order to put the meaning of many words or a complete sentence into one or two words. In combat, radio time is at a premium and if you start talking to someone in complete sentences, you could block a threat call that could cost someone their life. In the entire history of aerial warfare no one has ever said "I'm taking the shot" except Hollywood actors. Prowords are not meant to be "cool lingo of fighter pilots". It's meant to get information out with the shortest radio transmissions possible. A good WD can tell a fighter pilot exactly where all the threats are around him (up to about 6-8 bandits), their aspect, altitude, and what maneuvers they are performing in less than 10 seconds of time on the radio. Without the proword language it would take around 20-30 seconds to pass that same information.
Yup this pretty much applies to all branches of the military, which is why we have all these code words. As far as movies some are really good at showing military radio communications and some are not so good (Top Gun) but it was a good movie to see my fav aircraft :).
That may be true, but I don't see how "punch out" is any shorter than "eject". Seems superfluous.
It’s precisely because it’s functional and not “cool” that it is in fact cool
@@thekinginyellow1744 Who uses the words "Punch Out?" Every voice recording of an ejection I've ever heard (several dozen) has the words "Eject! Eject! Eject!" on it. It's normally spoken (yelled) by someone other than the person ejecting.
@@michaelrunnels7660 Watch this video again starting at 5:00
I only ever heard one person swear over an open net. One station (A) called BEADWINDOW, rightfully, on another station(B). B kept talking. Another BEADWINDOW. B kept talking. "B you are BEADWINDOW, BEADINDOW, f***ing BEADWINDOW, shut it f***ing NOW." Then silence. Then another voice "This is B, roger out" I remember that transmission plain as day.
Has enough time past you can say without a FOIA? I feel like there is potential comedy here. If it's tragic or a bummer nevermind.
@@bornfree2237 I forget what was being said exactly, but we were off North Korea in 1999 after North and South were getting frisky. And there was a confirmed Russian AGI and a probable Chinese AGI in the area. Crypto got messed up and we were talking and reporting in the clear on C2W C&R, normally encrypted.
He was talking something about radar site parameters. It was the carrier EWs who made the first two BEADWINDOWs and I believe it was the C2W Commander who who made the last call.
No confirmation, but we thought it may have been a new guy and his supervisor did the roger out. We just felt bad for the kid, willing him to shut up. It was nothing really bad, but could have been worse. And we did get a few laughs out of it.
I heard a Beadwindow once, and the reply was actually "Roger Beadwindow, I say again..." Shortly after that the transmission just dropped. I have a feeling someone beat feet over to that station and forcibly removed the operator from his headset.
@@Echowhiskeyone i can only guess he got an ear full when he got back.
@@HomeFries94 There needs a laugh react to YT comments.
During shipboard operations, "grape" is also used to designate refueling personnel, such as a flight deck controller calling the air boss and saying "need a grape on Shooter 205", meaning you need to hook up for refueling on an aircraft, in this case referring to Marine squadron VMFAT-101 aircraft number 205. The reason they're called grapes is because refueling crew wear purple flight deck jerseys and cranial helmets.
Us green jerseys called them Grape Apes, lol.
@@SGTSnakeUSMC oorrah...
@@davidcruz8667 Semper Fi
When you are a FDC it is important to have a relationship with the grapes and yellow shirts. Way back you had to take A/C firefighting when you rotated back to sea duty, 4th and last time I didn't know I had to bring my own jersey. They loaned the ATCS a purple jersey, back then most of the instructors were AB's. I was treated like the CNO the entire day. I love me some grapes.
@@bender7565 oh yeah, I remember running flight deck control for the squadron as well as QA with white jerseys, we took black marker and drew or rank (chevrons) on the sleeves because they kept complaining that they couldn't tell what chow line we belonged in. As a SNCO I had head of the line in the regular mess decks and later in the Chief's Mess.
Also remember firefighting school and flight deck certification before we were allowed to be on the flight deck by ourselves. But once you're salty you get good at it as long as you never let your guard down and always know what's going on around you, both on the deck and what's happening in the air.
During my first Med Float I learned to make friends with the handlers and show them that you knew what you were doing and weren't just a waste of oxygen, same with flight deck control. When the ready room requests you by name to escort aircrew out to their birds you know you're doing something right.
Hey Ward, short story. I was airborne NW NAS Widby talking to Seattle centre, a flight of E6 were inbound to Widby, the controller asked me if I had a visual on them? My response was negative, but I have them on the fish finder, (TCAS) then the E6 chirps up, got me now.... and of course he was gone. Then, how about now and he was back, plus a couple more. Then I got them visual and called it, the flight was about 2000 below me and west heading inbound to Widby. He cycled the jamming a couple more times. It was great fun to watch the EW capabilities first hand with them fully in site but appearing and disappearing from radar.
Thanks for the great content, new sub!
USAF always used Bingo to mean "minimum fuel necessary to return to base" . So if I'm bingo fuel, then I need to RTB right now, divert, or catch a tanker.
Same with the RAF
we used to love doing early morning FOD walk, usually a very pleasant time of day to be up on the flight deck and a good way to get the day going
Johnny Johnson who flew Mosquitoes in the Nightfighter role during the Blitz transmitted "my thing is bent." This caused female flight controllers to giggle.
Love your channel, Ward! I’ve always been fascinated by naval aviation and the F-14 in particular. There is something special about the 2-person crew and the teamwork involved-one of the character dynamics of “Top Gun”, for example, that made that movie interesting. I’d love to see you do an episode that focuses on that unique 2-seater fighter crew dynamic, the teamwork and what makes that so special.
Check out the "Rio Responsibilities" episode. Thanks for watching!
Before we had "Have Quick" voice radios, Angels was used for OPSEC purposes. Instead of saying "climb to ten thousand feet" everyone is briefed at the Pre-Mission Briefing that "Today's 'Angels' is plus 3,000". So a call of "Angels Seven" actually means 10,000 feet. The word 'Vector' can be used the same way to conceal actual compass headings. When I was in the USAF, "Tally Ho" meant I see the bandit (or traffic in the pattern). "No Joy" meant I have no visual on the target.
We also used "Jokers" to refer to some pre-agreed level of fuel in excess of Bingo Fuel. Usually meaning that we're approaching the Bingo point and we should conclude our business and RTB soon.
In the Air Force we only did a FOD Walk if an A/C had an incident on landing or take off that may have left FOD on a runway and for some reason we didn't have sweeper trucks available. Sometimes FOD Walks were ordered as a general punishment. Our terminology for broken stuff was "tango uniform" (tits up). I guess you couldn't use that one today! 🤣
Great vid, the rest of your words were common with the Air Force, but of course there are dozens more as future video fodder.
Good stuff, Don. Thanks for adding.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when I was flying, I believed "Joker" was your signal for sufficient fuel to RTB. In Naval Aviation, "Bingo" meant divert to nearest airfield, hence "Bingo Bags."
That brought back memories from my controller days of needing to pick up the day's green card to prepare my flight briefs. Kinda forgot about that, always had to make sure we knew what the new daily changing base numbers and other locations / words were.
My son's Marine unit hosted a family open house and we were invited to participate in a FOD walk (Parents enjoy the small things).
When I was Air Force, I’ve been “invited” to a krap ton of FOD walks
With the "most funniest" ones being right after an air show. yippee
Yay, Foreign Object and Debris walk downs 😅. A daily grind on flight decks, I know them well 🤣.
The USAF gave us the Marines who were guests for a week on their expeditionary airfield the choice of cleaning the chow hall and “latrines” or being assigned to do the FOD walk.. of course we took the choice of just walking around! Didn’t realize it was going to be a 24/7 police call! They also tricked us into cleaning their M-16A1’s saying “we never learned how to shoot at Air Force boot camp” and acted like we were badass for knowing how to field strip an M-16. Our jarhead ego was definitely getting them out of doing a lot of crap jobs! It was just cool the USAF SP’s still had the M-16A1’s. The only time I saw one ever. Triangle hand guards, full auto, pencil thin barrel and all!
“…invited to participate in a FOD walk.” Didn’t Tom Sawyer do something like this with a fence?
You forgot the most common radio comment: "Oh Shit!"
Shit Hot,, used a lot in SE Asia back during the event.
I'm an Army guy, but that code is universal and used a lot!
I was flying a C-141 over the Atlantic when I heard the term 'Gaint killer'. I could only hear one side of the radio traffic, but I had been having a problem with the co-pilot not keeping his authentication codes with him. He was half asleep when I woke him up and told him that Gaint killer wanted him to authentic. He bolted out of the seat, back to his helmet bag. When he came back I told him they were picking up our IFF and there was no reason to make contact with them. ... Just a funny memory. ... I never knew who was Gaint killer until now.
Informative, as always. BTW: Can't wait for the Punk series.
It's great. I read all 3 when they first came out a few years ago. I reread the 2 of them I can find just recently. Ward is a very good author as well!
Hey Ward, AWESOME video! I'm not trying to split hairs but when I've done FOD walkdowns they also used the anacronym to mean Foreign Object Debris also for the stuff you pickup off the flight deck. 👍✨
FOD causes FOD - curious when the word is both cause and effect
It's relative to where you are, looking for it or working on it. You look for FOD, but an engine/gear can be FODDED out due to FOD. I was maintenance, but was also the FOD PO in my shop. BS title, just means you make sure someone represents the shop every time walkdown is called 1MC and scheduled times at night.
Snap-on makes what they call a “FOD” ratchet that’s manufactured in a way so that it has no screws that can come loose and fall apart. If it fails just buy a new one.
Which causes FODamage same same
Never heard it as “debris”. 9 years in the fleet, it was always foreign object damage. But that 9 years ago ended almost 30 years ago.
I was to meet a former F14 pilot in San Diego. He told me that when I got a certain street to call him and he'd give me "snap vectors" ( directions). Funny, and I liked it.
Differ with you slightly on "Angels." During Viet Nam, Angels was a specific value assigned daily & listed on the "card-of-the-day" & was used to encode your actual altitude. If the daily Angels was 3,000 ft. and your altitude was 13,000 ft. your call was I'm Angels 10 (or Angels + 10) Didn't want to give the flak guys any hints as to your real altitude.
Maybe the term evolved as our encryption capabilities improved?
@@Milkmans_Son I may have stated it like I thought he was wrong, I didn't mean to imply that. The term Angels refers to altitude, and I was elaborating some on how it was used. I guess I should have just kept my mouth shut.
@@Milkmans_Son I believe the term goes back at least as far as WWII, but don't quote me on that. Breck, the first poster, seems to be describing an operational code system to deny the bad guys information which can compromise mission safety. What he described is a daily offset to the Angels call on the radio.
@@breckcogdill5047 please don't apologize for giving us a glimpse of historical operational usage of the term. I found it very interesting and informative.
I though they briefed the "Base" altitude. So if the "Base" altitude was 10,000 ft, and someone wanted to indicate 15,000 ft, they'd say "Base + 5".
A few of the guys on the "FOD Walk" were not looking down but talking about the game that was on the night before. LOL
Saw that ALOT!
I expect that’s inevitable, especially among the people in the back who are walking behind those who have already found something.
Ward - LOVE your stuff, because you present the vlog as a college professor would do. Oh, that's right- You were! And it SHOWS. New words for me were Cherubs and Beadwindow. I'm just a 65yo USAF fighter jock BRAT, and he's still around too...@91.
Hi Ward! Fascinating look back on terminology. Agree with the below questions regarding FOD (damage vs. debris) and Grape (easy target vs. refuel personnel). Terminology/lingo are always variant to east coast/west coast and COs to CPOs with the greatest voice/bark to influence...always dynamic with multiple air warfare platforms on deck and >2500 war fighters in the same air wing.
Enjoy the channel and look forward to your next installment. Thanks!
Subscribed, liked, shared. Thank you for your service sir! Once things get a little better financially I will smash that heart.
Great job...Ward....!
There’s something about aviation art that takes my breath away - @4:46.
Typically excellent video from Ward. 💛🙏🏼
5:19 is really nice too.
Another informative video! See Annapolis area has been hit by severe weather, hope this finds you, your family, and friends safe.
The tornado was close, but we're fine.
Thank you sir, this is a great video! Being in/around the aviation community for as long as I have (started with flying lessons in 1985, and got my first solo as a gen-av pilot at Osan AB, ROK), I've heard a lot of these terms before.
I have got a couple of questions:
1) Referencing the term "spike": Have you ever heard the term "buddy-spike"? Supposedly it means a friendly radar-guided weapon has locked on to a friendly a/c. Actually heard it for the first time in the first "The Incredibles" movie, but since then I've been told it's a real term.
2) Have you ever seen a bogey intercept that turned out to be friendly? Usually for the F-14 guys, when they hear "Bogey", it turns into "Bandit" pretty fast. But was there ever one that didn't?
3) Lastly---and you can decline this question if you want, because it does go to tactics, albeit very old ones---a friend of mine once told me that back in the Cold War days, the F-14 fleet defense flights, when they picked up a Russian naval "Bear" inbound towards the fleet, the Tomcat guys would do something called "the Bear Dance". Lead would take station on the Bear's left wingtip so the pilot/flight crew could see him, and then Two would drop back about a mile and turn on the Phoenix radar. Just turn it on, no acquisition. The result was that the Bear's RWR would start alarming, and that alignment of Tomcats vs Bear would stay like that until the Bear decided they'd had enough or hit their own BINGO, and turned away from the fleet. Was wondering if you'd ever seen that, or heard of it. :)
Ward
My personal favorite pro-word was " Strangle your parrot"... Shut off your tacan.
As a rotor head coastie, jet pilots looked a lot a like to me...
Cold, Wet, Tired and Happy to see me as I hoist them from the water ;-)
One other thought for a future segment might be pathways to Naval Aviation. I went a path that most do not know of. I went to US Merchant Marine Academy, majored in Marine Transportation and a minor in Marine Engineering. Of my graduating class (1995) of 200 or so... 25 of my classmates when SNA (Student Naval Aviator) and another 25 went NFO (Naval Flight Officer). So nearly, 25% of my class went into Naval Aviation.
I love your work. I am a nurse practitioner now and am well versed on flight physiology so if you ever want to do an episode on that I would love to help you out.
Semper paratus...
John, "Strangle your parrot" I thought meant to turn off your transponder.
@@jcheck6 You are correct .
You all are correct. Who the hell let the Coast Guard on Ward's channel in the first place. Forgive me, to use a little medical terminology... I had a case of "rectal-cranial inversion" It is a terrible affliction, the only cure is to point out to the people, hey thanks for your help in my extrication... wow that was stupid. Thank you for calling me out.
In an effort to right my wrong... Tacan is "Father" ; turn off is "Strangle" Is there proword that uses "monkey?" If not, there should, it would be fun to "strangle your monkey"
Also, I just had a total random question pop into my head. (I am not sure why I am asking myself this... but here it goes). During formation flights we often used Tacan to measure distance between the aircraft. To do this there had to a specific number of channels between the lead and wings transponders... Anyone know what that is? It has become an brain worm and it is now bugging me...
@@JBHRN I don't know anything about strangling monkeys, but I did try to hover a Huey once.
Even though I’m a ground pounder I knew most of these. Still enjoy hearing somebody legit elaborate on them. Ty for another great video
Hey Ward, I just wanted to let you know I love your content. You're a natural storyteller and that, coupled with your impressive military and civilian careers, are the recipe for success. Keep it up and thank you.
Always loved my FOD walks!
Ward: I can't wait for the episode when you teach us to fly a Tomcat!
...or track a bogie...uh I mean a bandit!
He has never flown a Tomcat. He's a RIO.
@@Walterburkett I get the feeling the ol' commander could teach most anybody anything.
@@812MSS lol I'm sure he'd agree.
Top Gun blues? /watch?v=6etEbmtKrMs :)
My minds expansion continues, thanks Ward!
A Marine aviator I worked with liked to use the term "cleared hot" when we got the ok to do something.
Love this kind of videos Mr. Carroll, i love to learn about my childhood dream so i can practice. Thank you for this. Keep up!
Mooch, my heart warmed when I saw the pic of that bad-ass Tomcat with what appears to be a couple of Rockeye and a Targeting Pod. She really could do it all! Thanks for posting, love your channel!! ATTACK
Old terms we used at the Old Sage system site ( I was stationed at the 23rd Norad Region in Duluth IAP AKA callsign "Goliath")
"Follow Dolly" - F-106 only Pilot was being told by the ground controller to follow the Sage Data link to his assigned target. GCI controller via SAGE computer was responsible for designating the target with a light gun (Think Same size but heavier than a pistol type Soldering gun) After telling the pilot to "Folly Dolly" controller was responsible for safety calls keeping the target properly designated within the SAGE system. As a controller you hoped that before you called "Ten Miles" (Distance remaining between your fighter and the bad guy) that the pilot would call "Judy."
"Judy" - Pilot has radar lock or is assuming responsibility for completing an intercept. (Sweet word to a GCI contoller's ears )
And the call for the ultimate kill was Fox 3 (At that time that was the call for the launch of the Air2A, Air-to-Air Nuke, The Genie, the crowd pleaser, an unguided rocket that detonated at a preset time after launch. ) Now Fox 3 is of course for an active radar Air-to-Air missile.
You should check out Bruce Gordon's channel. th-cam.com/users/spiritofattackvideos
He was an F-106 pilot.
@@KJAkk Will do Thanks.
Oh just did. Yes I've watched several of his videos.
I've had some interesting discussions with one or two 106 pilots while I was a GCI controller in Duluth. They had a right to be proud of the plane but one... well he (A Major) said "Send me up against your best 1st Lt in an F-15 and I can beat them every time. (Of course a 1st LT flying a F-15 is a very inexperienced pilot in the F-15, by the time the finish all their pilot training and get fully checked out in the Eagle most are putting on their Captains bars)
Funniest story though was the time we got a call that one of the Alert 106's on 5 minute alert was down. We asked the reason - Answer "Squirrel in cockpit" Whaaaaat? Yeah alert hanger door was open and the cockpit as well. Squirrel was seen climbing the ladder into the cockpit. NOBODY in their right might would fly that plane until it was fully checked out, Chewed wires? Nuts stored somewhere.... etc. OR even more fun, Climbing to altitude only to be attacked by a hypoxic squirrel.
I was a FAC in Vietnam, and heartily concur that jargon and code words save valuable time while conferring vital info. Military pilots speak in acronyms, jargon, and code words for one reason: Things happen really, really fast in combat.
The picture you have in the video of the VF-213 aircraft inflight refueling is a picture that still hangs outside our ready room at VFA-213
Hello Cmdr. Carroll: This is to let you know how grateful I am for your series and how glad I am that one of your episodes popped up while looking for something unrelated on you tube. As a small "thank you" I have just signed up on your Patreon site.
I know little about flying, much less modern military aviation. I did have uncle's and a much older cousin who were AAC and naval aviators during WWII, so I learned a lot about their experiences and training. Fast forward to Viet Nam and thereafter and one of my very closest friends was a Naval Academy graduate and Naval Aviator named Chuck Karlan who flew fighters, including the F-4 Phantom, in Viet Nam. He retired from the Navy before I got to know him and he didn't volunteer a lot about it and I didn't ask much. I served as a civilian consultant with DIA and an occasional liason to OSD for six years, so I learned early on that I would be told most of what I needed to know to do what I did and if I asked questions, they primarily about things I needed know to do my work or do it better. While Chuck didn't talk about Viet Nam or flying much, he did love to talk about the Naval Academy, and he definitely had some tales about his time there! He took me on my first visit to the Naval Academy and boy was I impressed. I'll never forget the effect John Paul Jones crypt and tomb had on me.
For a few years, as time allowed, Chuck, his younger brother and I used to charter a 37 ft. sloop out of Annapolis and go sailing on the Chesapeke Bay in the summer. One year two of Chucks best friends from the Academy who were both still in the Navy and were both test pilots at a base somewhere near Solomon's Island met to sail with us for a couple of days. My cousin who was a retired Naval Aviator (He lied about his age and enlisted when he was 15 and became a pilot through the Navy's Mustang" program, retiring as a Lt. Cmdr.) had a large, beautiful place right on the bay near Solomon's Island, so I arranged for us to spend a night with them. I hadn't told my cousin much about Chuck and his buddies, so the first thing my cousin asked when we got there was "Any of you guys flyboys?". Well, from the time he got his answer, "It was on" and truly an evening to remember! Those were some good times. The first time I ever saw an F-14 Tomcat was in the air over the Chesapeke Bay. It was a beautiful sight and my friend Chuck pointed it out to me.
My friend Chuck Karlan died from cancer several years ago. The rather excessive length of this message is to arrive at why I am most grateful to you. Through your programming and teaching, you have helped me learn a lot about what didn't know about a highly significant "missing" portion of my good friend's life. I now know and understand him a lot more than I did before watching quite a number of your episodes, which I thoroughly enjoy. It hardly seems possible, but you've made me even more grateful for Chuck's service, and I want to thank you for yours, as well.
In closing, is there a business mailing address or P.O. Box that you could release to viewers and/or a you-tube related email? I have a thing or two I would like to send you as a somewhat more tangible "thank you".
Best regards
Ken Wiese
Ordered the 3rd book in the series....can't wait!
Thanks. Let me know how you like it.
Very cool, I find it interesting that professions all have their 'slang'. Super informative, its why I watch. Cheers.
FINALLY!!!! Now I can't wait for parts 2-10 of this episode. Never gets old, Mooch. Thanks!!!
And yet Another Great Video!
BUSTER & BUG is the same as Zone 5, as in full A. B. ! I know FOD & walkdowns all to well. Always loved TEXICO, BINGO, WINCHESTER, RTB & many others! Thankya for sharing this video!
Thanks for doing this one. One of the things that makes me nervous about getting into DCS multiplayer is all the jargon which I feel like I need to know before ever getting on the radio. Videos like this help a lot!
You can learn that all through flying with expierenced people. A good place to look os the growling sidewinder discord.
Re: "Grape". During an ACM briefing with VF-43 (the Ocean adversaries) that I attended, I saw a great plaque from VF-32, The Swordsmen. It was a sword through a cluster of plastic model grapes that said something to the effect of "Thanks for everything from The Swordsmen". Excellent.
Such a nuisance when the car goes bingo and you go into seek texaco mode.
Been there Everytime my bride uses my truck or even worse when kids or grandkids use it. I’m ready to go to war everytime.lol.
@@fuzzybutkus3951 and it always happens just before you need to get to an important meeting client-site.
@@fuzzybutkus3951 Grandkids? No no no RTB signal Buster!
Even worse when your buster to the Texaco and you end up with a bandit on you six :).
@@arohk1579 More like a Smokey
Ayy lingo learning is always fun
Oh, this is a video I've been waiting for! Thanks!
To clarify, "Fragged" does not refer to the actual type of ordnance, but to the "Fragmentary Orders," issued by higher, which called for a specific number of aircraft, launched at a specific time, with a specific loadout, to go to a specific place and do a specific thing. Each of these is within the mission order AND there are frag orders which are passed down to the crews which do each task necessary. Think of it like the music sheets given to an orchestra. The cannon cockers need to know what to mount, on which plane, but their FRAGMENT won't include commo, nav, refueling track info, etc. The frag order to the tanker squadron will say where, when, what time, which planes and how much to take them, but nothing about ordnance or the target. Put them all together, and you have a mission plan like the orchestra playing the National Anthem, even though everyone is only playing their particular music.
When even ward makes thumbnails with his mouth open... :) .Thanks for the videos and good day.
Fabulous as always Ward 👍
I’m a nurse and have absolutely no clue whatsoever about planes and more so combat. But I love learning all this. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
My background is ASW aboard the Canadian version of the P-3. We call it the CP140 Aurora. Same airframe as a P-3C, but with mission electronics based on the S-3 Viking.
I've been out of the game for 30 years, but most of those terms you used are still familiar to me.
Goblin, Octopus, Snake, Emergency Streamer, Dipper, Pony, Cowboy, Skunk, Pointer, Maypole, Cadillac, Pinger, Riser, Sinker, Greyhound, Parrot, Spit... you had to learn a whole new language just to get the job done.
Mooch - have you considered doing a video about your controller brothers and sisters? Granted we weren't at the "tip of the spear" on CAP or part of a package , but a good controller was an integral part of the team. Great video (as usual!) for the aviation buff or us old sailors.
Good idea, Scott. Much respect for the AICs out there!
Mooch, would love to see a video on controllers. OSCS(SW) USN RET'D 1978-2002 AIC/S 1981-2002 C/S "Crane" TopGun July 88.
At 1:55 you make a radio call to "Giant Killer". From 1958 until she was decommissioned in 1970, the call sign for USS Galveston, CLG-3, was "Giant Killer". As an RD2 I worked in CIC and made countless radio transmissions using that call sign. I always thought it was the coolest radio call sign ever. Do you remember who/what was Giant Killer in your time?
Keith, "Giant Killer" is the call sign of Fleet Area Control and Surveillance Facility Virginia Capes (FACSFAC VACAPES) at NAS Oceana, VA. It is the controlling agency for all military airspace along the Atlantic coast from Maine to North Carolina. There is another in Jacksonville, FL FACSFAC JAX that covers south to just north of Cape Canaveral.
Ward, as a P-3 aircrewman, the one thing that most of us dreaded to hear on a long mission was "PLE". I'm sure that you've heard that one before!😂
After you described a Bogey I was expecting you to naturally segue into the term "Bogey Dope" or "info about unknowns in the area", usually asked of an AWACS or GCI controller.
Another one to add is "Nails" - radar sweeps that have not yet been turned into a Spike.
Glad you shared this info!
Back in the 1970's I was in the Air Force controlling interceptors for NORAD/Aerospace Defense Command. I am amazed at how many terms you explained that we were using way back then. Of course you and I both got many of them from the RAF and the Battle of Britain.
I've also heard in my USAF days, and as a Civi, the term "No Joy" which is the same as "Blind". Another term used mainly in training scenarios was "Knock It Off" which meant whatever you're doing now, stop and regroup. Was flying on an H-1 at the live-fire range used by Seymour Johnson AFB. We had a Photog on board to get photos of the targets for damage assessment. There were 4 F-15's there to do live fire. Range controllers had cleared us into the range. While in a hover near one of the targets I see one of the F-15's roll into the lane on our left side, lining up for the kill. I immediately call it out to the Pilot who in turn contacts Range Control, who also in turn, calls out "Knock it off, knock it off, knock it off" over the radio. The F-15 pulls nose up and rolls over the top of us. I don't know how close we were to being shot that day. But it was very intimidating.
As a flight sim enthusiast I knew a bunch of these but not all! Thank you for the awesome video and your service!
Morning sir, just wanted to let you know the day before, the wife and I lost her mom at 73 yrs old in West Virginia! She got the D Variant. The 2 days before she left us her Hemoglobins dropped from internal bleeding, so they went in twice to stop the bleeding. After the 2 nd surgery she stop responding to therapy and went in shock. Dr said was best to turn off the vent. So they got us on the phone 3 way Angi dad, sister and us. We said our goodbyes! I lost my foster mom and dad 5 yrs ago this October then November, mon was 66 and dad was just 12 days after mom at 70 both in West Virginia as well! So many around me isn’t around anymore! Beginning to think it’s a sign to be ready for his return ti get his people out of here!
Sympathies for your loss.
As an Army guy, I thought, "Heck, I know what Grape means." I was wrong. I thought that meant the purple crew that run fuel on the flight deck. Does it mean both?
It does. A "grape" is also a fuel guy.
Yes, both are called grapes, you can even call these people grape nuts, though this is more a type of informal slang among maintenance personnel. A shooter is a troubleshooter, usually concerned with avionics or flight controls, a handler will direct, move, or secure aircraft on the flight deck, ordies (meaning ordnance) of course handle weapons loading, arming, safing, etc, a Plane Captain is not the pilot but squadron personnel that take care of the jet, assist the air crew, service aircraft, ride brakes, etc, crash crew handles fires and other emegencies. And so on for different maintenance or flight deck personnel.
Former 15 tango air crew chief UH-60. Most of them I knew from joint training with naval aviators. During desert shield and storm.
But some have slightly different meanings for army aviation.
I do know that A6 crews get really bent when they find out that they got shot down by a helo ( simulated in training of course) that no one noticed in a draw off the canyon. And that my brother was a fantastic day.
@@michaelmappin4425 yes, that's where it comes from. We identify the fuel personnel on the flight deck with the physical purple nut placed on the ouija board. Both are represented by the color purple, so us Plane Captains on the flight deck say "Here comes our grape nut!".
@@michaelmappin4425 good to go. One team, one mission.
‘Buster’ came from an RAF WWII term when the throttle had a copper wire soldered across the forward part of the gate. Breaking (busting) the wire gave you full supercharger for combat, at the expense of engine life.
In the infantry, FRAGGED means something VERY different!
Roger that.
Less than you might think; FRAGGED in air useage is still derived from the same root as FRAGO; a Fragmentary Order.
@Tamky west Yes, I know. As I just said, FRAGO means "Fragmentary Order". As in, a revision, change, or partially complete OPORD. It doesn't mean "something to do at the last minute", though things that come up unexpectedly and need to be dealt with quickly are indeed usually addressed in FRAGOs rather than taking the time to generate a full OPORD. Also, "FRAGO" isn't just "infantry lingo"; it is a doctrinal term, used by ALL branches of the Army. I've been on staff at Cavalry, Infantry, Signal, Intelligence, and Engineer units, and they ALL use "FRAGO".
The Air Tasking Order is a FORM of Fragmentary Order. It does not include the full details of the order, only a portion of the order that changes on a daily basis. Therefore, the directions you are given on the ATO FRAGMENTARY ORDER (mission location, loadout, and timeline) are "Fragged" to you, and you fly them "as fragged".
I do actually know what a FRAGO is, thanks. Only spent an entire career writing them, is all.
"The unlawful elimination of a military superior, generally thru the use of a grenade (although Claymores were popular as well). The term dates from the Vietnam War.
And there is a WARNO...Warning Order. Get ready, something is about to happen.
Was in the engine room, and i still participated in FOD walk-downs. It was a nice slow walk topside, that also was necessary and did good.
Great reference episode. Some terms I didn't know.
Good refresher. Been awhile.
Great video... I could listen to you talk about aviation stuff all day. Locking forward to the next video.
Nice little Top Gun nod in the outro. :D
Ward correct me if I’m wrong, VISUAL/BLIND refer to friendly, TALLY/NO JOY refer to enemy, CONTACT is to report in sight of an neutral item, such as a building, infrastructure, etc.
My compliments again for Your amazingly good channel! 👍
That is how I recall it from the Air Force side. Also, the only place we used Grape with when practicing air to air, if you started not neutral, the guy at the disadvantage was the Grape. Sitting their waiting to be picked.
Excellent episode! Every specialized occupation has it's own vocabulary. As a Law Enforcement Officer of 30+ years, when I and my homies get together and talk shop, no one would be able to understand our lingo, either. "Copy your traffic, I'm enroute to your '20".
Loved this one. Do more of these, Ward. I love these actual insights.
FOD is used to mean Foreign Object Debris which causes Foreign Object Damage. So when you do a FOD walk you're looking for debris that could cause FOD. I sent many a day doing FOD walks in the Army as a aviator on helicopters, so these calls and phrases are old hat but I forget that not everyone talks like us. haha
For some reason I thought FOD was foreign object debris...thanks for the info. Another great video.
No Bitching Betty? I worked on Tomcats in '04, The Last Ride Baby...! However that could have been for 18s, S-3s, or H-60s. Thank god I wasn't in a prowler shop back then!
FOD walks applied to me on the helicopter pads in my military days, and prior to an airliner taxing to the gate in the civilian world.. FOD walks were mandatory, but mostly it's common sense. Great video.
Mr. Carroll, that was a good breakdown of some of the terms. Funny thing is that almost all of them are used in Commercial Aviation today. Like someone else said FOD could either be Damage or Debris depending if you caught it before or after it wrecked an aircraft.
Great video Ward. But then, when DON'T you make great content?! Being a Military aviation junky I knew most of those terms. Others I thought I did however I was wrrr...I was wrrrooo.....I was misinformed. I plan on buying 'Wing'(and hopefully 'Fight') in the next day or two. Also going to look up your bibliography, so I can get all of your available work.
And in case I've never said this before Thank you for your service!🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🎸🎸
I've read an explaining of the term "fragged" in a USAF Vietnam era F-105 or F-4 book (cannot remember the title or the author at the moment). The author wrote that its meaning was for an air asset, to comply with the active air tasking order in matters of IFF squack, weapons load, target, etc. He explained that the word fragged was used because squadrons only received fragments of the ATO that were related to their tasking and not the whole thing, probably for OPSEC reasons. Sierra Hotel, Sir.
Most people are familiar with the Air Force E-3 AWACS and the Navy’s E-4 Hawkeye AEW aircraft. However, the first AWACS were developed and flown by the Navy. The PB-1W (B-17) flowed by the WV-1 and then the WV-2 Warning Star Lockheed Super Constellation. Could you tell our stories from the mid 50’s to Vietnam of the varied important missions the VW Squadrons of that era performed. Thanks for your Service and the informative and entertainment you provide on your channel.
Great, helpful info. Thanks!
Having served in the Marine Corps (82-89) we would send new guys checking-in clear across the base or to other units to grab some flight line to tie down some hooches. And/or to get some ID-10-T forms and keys for the M-151’s ’s or Hummv’s. 😎
In the RAF it was known as a FOD-plod looking for debris.
Nice outro with a Top Gun gliss
My dad did 25 years in the Airforce. I remember as a kid he use to always tell me my head had a FOD problem lol
As always this was very informative and entertaining! Thanks award for another great video
I think the firewall is also coming from the fact a car front wall is a firewall might be a mixture of both
Awesome stuff Ward. Continue love and enjoy your education. I worked at Hughes for a few years and was very familiar with the radars and saw the aircraft from time to time.
More of this please
I love your video for the FOD walk down example. I can see a senior Airdale, yellow shirt, paying attention as much as I have seen Army personnel doing a Police Call. My First Sergeant 30 years ago had something for that A**. It is called low crawl the area if you cannot do it right the first time. Routine events are important events not matter how mundane. FOD and engine not only cost the price of parts and repair but also precious flight time for the pilot. 30 years in and still fighting the lackadaisical attitude of personnel.
That's all lines of work. Do the little things right all the time and the big things just seem to go without half the issues.
A good friend of mine who flew A-7Es (late ‘80s) in the Navy and then F-16s in the Air Guard once jokingly told me something that has Grape and the most clapped out, old school pilot’s joke combined. He told me that the first guy to tell some variation of the “There I was, on my back at 30,000 feet…” BS was almost always the same one who kept getting chewed out for being a complete grape with his A-7 nose high and out of energy when he was supposed to be running like hell on the deck.
The A-7 was not designed to be a dogfighter no matter how desperately a few pilots wanted to believe otherwise. They figured that since it had Sidewinders and a cannon…. I think JD told me that not once in the years he flew A-7s did anyone in his squadron fire a “live” Sidewinder.
You're the man, Ward.
Do they still use "Judy" to tell the radar controller to knock it off, the aircraft now has control of the intercept?
Good question. (Memories of VT-86!)
They do in the RAF at least.
@@WardCarroll "So Darkstar Judy Judy, I'm going for guns." "Darkstar" as far as I know is the Red Flag callsign for the AWACS., and "Judy" is "I got this, your services are no longer needed" If anybody here hasn't listened to Dos Gringos, a pair of USAF Viper pilots, you should.
Brevity codewords are pretty interesting. But all the hand signals used on the Flight Deck are a mystery to me but fascinating to watch.
I was there for us but we still had the same acronyms and terminology I've been on many many fod walks.
Ward, love your channel! I’m an RAF BRAT and former defence journalist… everything you put out is gripping. Please keep it up!
I have a question: you said that people walk the deck between every event - what is an “event”? A sortie? A batch of TO/L?
I once said to someone in my local club when I learned he had been trained at Halton, "Your'e a brat". I was taken to task by another member for being disrespectful. The Brat explained that it was not an insult but a compliment, Halton brats were by far the best techies in the RAF
thank you so much, i’ve been looking for a video that said what a few certain words meant. i already knew the basics such as Jink, break, punch out, bail, and those ones, but i had no idea about some others