These videos are getting so good they must be unwittingly but deservingly forming part of Manchester's social history documentation for future generations. Let's hope that TH-cam is around long enough for people to enjoy them for decades to come.
I absolutely agree, the research is top notch. Our underground heritage is largely poorly documented... people like Martin are awesome for documenting it. Pity the authorities tend to be at best ambivalent about such social historians :(
I was just thinking the same thing. Not just Martin's channel but so many urbex and history channels on here as well as technology, engineering, hobbies etc. How lucky are we to have TH-cam!? It's like having thousands of little specialised documentaries every week.
Thanks do much Chrstopher we suggested dendro and guessed as a working hypothesis late 16's early 17's. If it made the early map it would be early 17's but how much earlier it has been there? 🤔 Much obliged. 🙂
Martin. On an earlier film, the Nico Ditch. Has anyone ever definitively dated it? 🤔 You'd think such an imposing edifice would have been verified by the Academics.
Thank you Mike. Yes the wood could have been recycled if it was in good condition I suppose. On "early" maps 1600's I think it shows three bridges. 1).Hunt's Bank, 2). Walker's Croft (the "Cattle Bridge") and Tanners Bridge (Ducie Street Bridge). The Embankment in front of the Cathedral was considerably lower and sloping to Hunts Bank Bridge. The original pathway is still there apparently but walled up at Fennel Street and kept when they built the Embankment you see now over it in the 1830's. It was really just that, a pathway, even in the 1830's and was a cause of major congestion especially when there was racing at nearby Kersal Moor, so much so they had to position constables on Hunts Bank Bridge. It wasn't the major bridge of today. When George Stephenson built the first Victoria Station it was a one platform station and you had to cross the Walker's Croft Bridge which was still open to the elements, to get to it and to the old medieval Toad Lane (Todd Street). Much obliged and thanks for your interest. 🙂👍
@@mdatkinson92 Thank you very much indeed Michael I never knew that about the typeface or the Cattling Station. Mcr. still had a cattle fair until the 1870's (was at Acresfield later St. Ann's Square from the 1200's to about 1820 then moved to Campfield until around 1870(?) and under the bridge that obscured George Stephenson's L&M bridge at Liverpool Road which they removed for the Ordsall Chord they found preserved cattle stalls under the removed bridge. Haven't heard what they've done with them. Before refrigeration cattle must have been a major traffic. I am not sure but I think there was a cattle yard or cattle yards at Cross Street, Salford. If Mcr's population increased to such a vast level in such a short time feeding such a population must have been a huge logistics exercise. A "shambler" is a butcher's bench where he cut carcasses and generally threw the unwanted bits in a convenient drain hence many towns have a "Shambles" a.k.a. "messy" place where butchery took place including Mcr. Victoria and Exchange suffered damage during the Christmas '40 Blitz but shielded the bridge. Remarkable. I think the name Walker's Croft comes from Walke Mill a very early (1300's) fulling mill on the banks of the Irk at that site near the School you mention. If you are aware of Victoria near the booking office is a door into the main building. Inside is a staircase and I went down a floor and was shown a metal landlocked (normally) door in a wall. Once opened there is a void. Just over the culvertrd Irk. I thought it was quite frightening it was pitch-black and the noise of the rushing river was loud. I don't know if you are aware of it but there was a British Rail Staff Association Club under Todd Street at the front of the station. There are a number of rooms, including concert room actually under the street. The normal entrance was next to a barber's across the street near the steps down to Walkers Croft. The was an emergency entrance/exit in "Cigar Alley" some steps going down from concourse level near the public toilets. Incidemtly I remember another Huge Railway building "Hunt's Bank" made of smoke-blackened stone that is where the Chetham's Stoller Hall Extension now is. It ran from Todd Street right the way down to the old Palatine Hotel building (1840's?) which the council have demolished and are landscaping. Thank you for your valuable insights.🙂👍
Excellent video, as a Collyhurst lad in the late 1950s me and my mates used to follow the Irk from Queens Road bridge into Red Bank counting rats as we we went along!
I have lived just to the west of Manchester for all of my 60 years. Most of the facts that you showcase in your videos were not known to me. Thank you for some fascinating insights into the hidden history of the city and its outlying districts. Maybe in a future video, you could travel a little west of the city, to Clifton Country Park. Where lies the remains of one of Englands earliest Collieries; The Wet Earth Colliery, where Engineer James Brindley made water flow uphill. I am in the process of watching all of your video's and enjoying them all.
Amazing to see all that intricate brickwork, stone facing and paving that would never be seen again, the Vics sure had pride in their work unlike some of today's cobbled together pieces of "engineering". Thanks Martin and the "nameless" for giving us the privilege to see this. Loving all this history, I know more about underground Manchester than my own neck of the woods!!!! You must be nearing the end of your Irk/Irwell journey by now?????
Really enjoyed this mate, as a fellow mancunian from Salford I'm always intrigued by Manchester's history. It was me who got inside the train station and opened the metal door by the way lol keep up the great production
Manchester Library or whatever institute saving Manchester and nearby history, should have copies of this and other Martin videos... When TH-cam is gone or some other reason these videos are gone (hopefully that will not ever happen) somewhere should have copies of well-done history videos... Huge thanks to Martin and the company/person who allows the access for this location.
Thanks Martin, for another outstanding vid that for some of us from the Manchester area find almost " moving" when you look at some of the old stills ( photos )..... it makes you realise the ever increasing pace of change. ( someone earlier, mentioned gas lamps in their street ...... these vids bring back so many memories that seem like yesterday. Our Grove in Reddish had a gas lamp until about 1959-60. when a lot of streets were still cobbled. At the bottom of our street was Craven Machine Tools, a big factory across the railway line. In winter the night sky was lit bright orange, as they poured molten iron in the foundary and a million sparks lit the darkness....... and now people can't live 2 minutes without their smartphones .... weird in'it, almost scary : S Cheers Roj
Whenever one reads or hears an explanation as to what has become of salmonid fish populations and they mention "habitat loss" as a major problem, this is part of what the fisheries specialists are talking about. Terrific exploration, Martin! Thank you again for taking me along with you : ).
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Your coverage of the Mancurian history really deserve to be told to the general public in a TV series. Thumbs up from here, and keep up the good work!
In the 1840s they would have rivitted the bridge like Blackpool Tower and Tower Bridge. I agree you have the right location for the Mills. But I think its a later replacement
The iron work looks like it may have been added during the construction of the station to reinforce the inner part, which looks very like the bridge in the drawing.
I would concur with Nick Lowe’s comment, the bridge in the photograph is also much higher, possibly lowered or rebuilt replacing the one in the photograph
Hello , I live in the cereal city capital of the world where Post and Kellogg cereal reside. An that's just a little bit of our old history in our town among some other. I really enjoyed your videos thanks for sharing , Jim from Battle Creek Michigan 🇺🇸...
@@pattheplanter I agree there is other Kellogg plants around the world . the original Kellogg's cereal plant is from Battle Creek Michigan the founder was WK Kellogg he's actually buried in one of our cemeteries as well.
@@ballardja1972Mr. Kellogg had a comedy sketch done about him on the BBC children's comedy Horrible Histories - I have to tell you that is an honour that not everyone achieves:)
Hi I'm really enjoyed watching this video link its soo good and educational and thanks for the trouble getting this showing people who wouldn't be aware of all the history of the canals and railway tunnels that you so bravely delve into with no fear. Well done and I look forward to seeing you again for more of your educational videos. Keep up the good work and be safe. John.
Yes Martin the graphics, maps are vital even for Mancs so you can pinpoint where everything is and you do it superb. You'll be running out of rivers soon. 😉
hello to you martin our dear friend well that was a fantastic film you done well as you always do we were glued to the screen thank you so much and all the best to you and the people that gave you the access to the under ground water way loved it cheers from old trev and christine down in the south
I am still reeling from you proving that "Cattle" bridge existing. I knew a bridge (I thought rickety bridge) existed from the map and that photo from Mcr. Library of the School mills. When you build a station the size of Manchester Victoria one tends to assume they would have cleared everything else out of the way first. Using Victoria I never appreciated it was still extant. I will now. It deserves to be more better well'known. Thank you once again for bringing it to light, literally as well as metaphorically. When you consider that sector of Mcr was particularly badly affected by the Christmas Blitz of '40, the I.R.A. bomb and the Arena bomb the station above must have protected it. I think because it was a right-of-way that status meant it had to be incorporated into Victoria. We tend to think of bridges now as ten a penny. But that wasn't the case. As we've seen from recent floods they were often swept away and were expensive to maintain and a lucrative source of income for the landowner. There are special laws, Riparian Laws, for the owners of river beds etc. With a growing population pre-railway and pre-refrigeration crops such as barley, cattle and poultry had to be raised close by, if not in shippons in the midst of dwellings. It's a kind of a Manchester that's ignored. We are so full of the industrial revolution the wealth and squalor that the day-to-day practicalities of eating, washing are passed over. The old Market Place and Exchange near Marks & Spencer under the Lords of the Manor the Mosleys' just couldn't cope with the rocketing population. St. Peter's Fields (Peterloo Massacre) must have been the home of cattle, ducks, pigs etc and other areas like it. I think the NQ area around Newton Street were small holdings until they were sold of in plots. They started to specialise and and move out of the traditional market place. The Apple market was facing the Cathedral on Fennel Street, the bird market on Withy Grove and Smithfield meat and produce market. If you just look at pictures from old photos the amount of horses in Mcr was extraordinary pulling carts etc. Where did they keep 'em? They were as common as cars. I think at London Road station there were 3,000 alone most kept in the undercroft. There were jobs, ostlers, grooms, carters just around horses alone. Can you imagine the smell of Mcr with all those shippons? I do think we are no longer indifferent to history and hope the Hunt's Bank Bridge area is tastefully opened up to to the public. Regards, Mark. 👍
@@EinkOLED Exactly, from Roman times to the present and his range of skills, musical, editing and drone-flying coupled to his obvious love and enthusiasm for history and his communication skills rolled up into one person is extraordinary. TV is mostly dull by comparison. To say he does it when he comes home from work is spellbinding. Just hope he doesn't put himself in danger which I am sure he takes all precautions. 🙂
@@EinkOLED it's nice to watch someone who has enthusiasm for what he does reminds me of how tv use to be as a child where you'd be watching something and the presenter would have the nack of keeping you glued to what they we're presenting watch a lot of exploring videos on TH-cam and Martin is one of the best at what he does
Amazing opening, gutted can't watch at the moment but will be back later keep up the great work. update - Managed to watch at lunch time. Excellent, well documented. You sir, should be presenting documentaries on the BBC.
Important documentary work going on here, great effort particularly with the permissions. Takes time to build relationships to get this far. Well done.
Absolutely outstanding! The detail you go into is amazing. Using the sequential maps to visually explain the stages and development of the "cattle bridge" is brilliant. And delivered with the zeal and enthusiasm of a friend sitting in a pub just draws you right in. Your enthusiasm and passion are very contagious. How I would love tag along! Thanks.
To me the immense arches that exist throughout Manchester are as you have in effect said Urban Cathedrals. They are in their own way truly beautiful, and I am so looking forward to being in Manchester this coming year ,definitely want to meet . Maybe we can do some urban exploration. Thank you Martin.
The current utility bridge is a truss frame made of angle iron and flats . If wrought iron , it could be early to mid 1800s . If steel it would be 1870s or later and also ribited . Old photo shows older heavier wood structure with columns . Nice video , keep digging .
I'd agree with Montie. It is likely there were many versions of this bridge at that particular crossing, with the first and 16-17th C versions almost certainly being timber. The material of the current incarnation of the bridge appears to be a quite modern retrofit. Iron material for the original or even subsequent replacements wouldn't have been reliably available until the 19th C. If it were iron, I would expect to see much heftier looking sections and lots of rivets. The metal arch you are seeing now is likely a fairly modern 20th century vintage. Note at 15:28 what appears to me to be a modestly bolted splice in the top chord. There are also very few visible fasteners of any kind amongst all of those angles, indicating to me welds. Even 1920s-1940s structures would have had visible rivets. There must be something very useful/important inside the wooden enclosure that would warrant such a modern upgrade.
Great video Martin, you've definitely got no phobias like me of deep, dark water and dark tunnels ! As always very interesting and well produced, keep them coming !
That cemetery was a mass grave for the workers who lived and died in the workhouse. It was just a case of chuck them in and cover them up ready for the next lot with no thought at all to dignity or hygiene. These people were viewed just like we treat cheap appliances now, chuck them out when they break and get a new one. I think the easiest way to get the orientation on where the mills were and the approach to the old station would be to find Cheetham Hill Road (called York Street on the old maps) and work it out from there as that's probably the only thing that is the same (the route anyway) now as it was then.
@@gilgammesh1 - That was the mentality from the start of the Industrial Revolution until the laws being changed to give worker's rights around the turn of the 20th century. They would have kids as young as 5 running through the machines and if they got hurt or killed, chuck them out on the street or in a mass grave. I am shocked that they even built a pauper's grave seeing as most were probably just dumped in the river.
@@handsolo1209 Yeah i remember learning in school as a lil kid about younguns in the mills etc. I think it's just the way you said it that really put it into perspective.
@@BestUserNameUK - Nothing official I would imagine. It was probably done as a PR thing to make the Factory owner look like a great and caring guy, so maybe there was a record of workers who died kept by the factory, but the graves were not marked. It was more like how you see garbage being dumped in a hole in the ground nowadays, just fill the hole and cover it for the next lot to go in, and it would only be surviving relatives who would probably even care or remember who was in there. The people in thos eplaces were supposed to be grateful for employment and a roof over their heads. They were totally disposable. This was the era where a "gentleman" could just kill the riff-raff if he felt like it.
When they rebuilt Vic station to the God awful format it is today, in the early 1990's, they dug into the old cemetery. They had a load of human remains including numerous skulls lined up along the edge of what is now platform 3. Unsure how they disposed of these bones, but there was a lot of em. The original station building is where the Traincrew messroom is now located. I could tell you some tales about what's gone in there over the years, and the characters that have frequented it 🤣
Martin Zero the remains were reinterred at Southern Cemetery on the 5th November 2010... check this interesting info out with a picture of the headstone: www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=556235.0
Great video so far... sure the rest will be great. At ~20:00 School Mills, assume you are talking about the lower of the two bridges in the picture? TY
Mate you got balls, if i was down there i would turn that river in to a sewer, great vid its hard to imagine all that running under our citys: not to scary now watched it all, looks like a top adventure, do you have to get permission for that one?
The wooden footbridge on the map is on the Irwell (west) side of Schools Mills so it can't be the bridge in the photograph which is on the east side of the mills and is also rather too high. There is a much lower bridge on the photograph on the west side of the mills; for me that is the more likely candidate.
Thanks for more interesting history on Manchester's hidden rivers. I have a question that you may be able to answer, is there any significance in the fact that both of the rivers beginning with Ir?
528 comments so far and counting. I am absolutely not surprised, you are Amazing at what you do. You are so passionate and Love the work you do. You should give up your day job and Concentrate all your efforts on what you do best. Which is exploring the History of the unseen areas of Manchester. Which would otherwise be forgotten. Thank you for all your hard work from a Mancunian now living in Cyprus.
@@URTonemanclan sorry about the late reply (3 years lol) but the beams are to thin for a bird's nest and you can see how all the debris is bunched up in the center. And the birds must have some epic night vision to fly in that pitch black tunnel 🤣 also if you look at 15:28 on the right side of the screen you can see what looks like 2 white rags hanging down that's high water level debris in my book 👍🙂
I came here from your latest Vid about the BRSA Club - funny enough @ 20:35 in this vid - you've inadvertently have shown the Entrance to the BRSA Club not knowing thatt in a future vid - you will be talking about it!!! 🙂🚂🚂🚂
Well done! Enough factual material to make it satisfying, and enough unanswered questions to keep it intriguing. The quality of your videos and editing has gone way up as well. Keep it up!
@@MartinZero Having spent many hours looking into the Tunnel Mouth in this video and wondering what is beyond I found this fantastic to watch... keep up the good work ...
Fascinating yet a very foreboding location. A truly rare location very few will ever see in person. Another top brilliant video brought to you by the guru of historical places....Martin Zero.!!!!!!!!!!
What's another great video the quality of the of the workmen ship in the sewers is amazing what were built hundreds of years ago. Thanks look forward to your next video John Bailey of Leicester thank you
These videos are getting so good they must be unwittingly but deservingly forming part of Manchester's social history documentation for future generations. Let's hope that TH-cam is around long enough for people to enjoy them for decades to come.
I agree Steve. Rarely do you read or see history being told so honestly and frankly about ordinary people and how they lived
Thanks very much Steve
Agreed! :)
Absolutely agree, its the comparison with the the old maps together with Martin's explanation of them that makes this so fascinating and valuable.
I absolutely agree, the research is top notch. Our underground heritage is largely poorly documented... people like Martin are awesome for documenting it. Pity the authorities tend to be at best ambivalent about such social historians :(
Watching Martin’s videos is better than most TV documentaries!
AGREE!
I was just thinking the same thing. Not just Martin's channel but so many urbex and history channels on here as well as technology, engineering, hobbies etc.
How lucky are we to have TH-cam!?
It's like having thousands of little specialised documentaries every week.
I agree . Hello from Bakersfield California USA.
Absolutely, it's the only reason I keep the TV. I just open TH-cam on it and watch on a big screen.
Worked with the company that owns the bridge, and they let me age test the wood, it came back 1680-1700, so its Very old but not Medieval.
Thanks do much Chrstopher we suggested dendro and guessed as a working hypothesis late 16's early 17's. If it made the early map it would be early 17's but how much earlier it has been there? 🤔 Much obliged. 🙂
Martin. On an earlier film, the Nico Ditch. Has anyone ever definitively dated it? 🤔 You'd think such an imposing edifice would have been verified by the Academics.
I imagine you're referring to wooden decking and not the metal truss supporting it ?
Thank you Mike. Yes the wood could have been recycled if it was in good condition I suppose. On "early" maps 1600's I think it shows three bridges. 1).Hunt's Bank, 2). Walker's Croft (the "Cattle Bridge") and Tanners Bridge (Ducie Street Bridge). The Embankment in front of the Cathedral was considerably lower and sloping to Hunts Bank Bridge. The original pathway is still there apparently but walled up at Fennel Street and kept when they built the Embankment you see now over it in the 1830's. It was really just that, a pathway, even in the 1830's and was a cause of major congestion especially when there was racing at nearby Kersal Moor, so much so they had to position constables on Hunts Bank Bridge. It wasn't the major bridge of today.
When George Stephenson built the first Victoria Station it was a one platform station and you had to cross the Walker's Croft Bridge which was still open to the elements, to get to it and to the old medieval Toad Lane (Todd Street).
Much obliged and thanks for your interest. 🙂👍
@@mdatkinson92 Thank you very much indeed Michael I never knew that about the typeface or the Cattling Station. Mcr. still had a cattle fair until the 1870's (was at Acresfield later St. Ann's Square from the 1200's to about 1820 then moved to Campfield until around 1870(?) and under the bridge that obscured George Stephenson's L&M bridge at Liverpool Road which they removed for the Ordsall Chord they found preserved cattle stalls under the removed bridge. Haven't heard what they've done with them.
Before refrigeration cattle must have been a major traffic. I am not sure but I think there was a cattle yard or cattle yards at Cross Street, Salford. If Mcr's population increased to such a vast level in such a short time feeding such a population must have been a huge logistics exercise. A "shambler" is a butcher's bench where he cut carcasses and generally threw the unwanted bits in a convenient drain hence many towns have a "Shambles" a.k.a. "messy" place where butchery took place including Mcr.
Victoria and Exchange suffered damage during the Christmas '40 Blitz but shielded the bridge. Remarkable. I think the name Walker's Croft comes from Walke Mill a very early (1300's) fulling mill on the banks of the Irk at that site near the School you mention.
If you are aware of Victoria near the booking office is a door into the main building. Inside is a staircase and I went down a floor and was shown a metal landlocked (normally) door in a wall. Once opened there is a void. Just over the culvertrd Irk. I thought it was quite frightening it was pitch-black and the noise of the rushing river was loud.
I don't know if you are aware of it but there was a British Rail Staff Association Club under Todd Street at the front of the station. There are a number of rooms, including concert room actually under the street. The normal entrance was next to a barber's across the street near the steps down to Walkers Croft. The was an emergency entrance/exit in "Cigar Alley" some steps going down from concourse level near the public toilets.
Incidemtly I remember another Huge Railway building "Hunt's Bank" made of smoke-blackened stone that is where the Chetham's Stoller Hall Extension now is. It ran from Todd Street right the way down to the old Palatine Hotel building (1840's?) which the council have demolished and are landscaping.
Thank you for your valuable insights.🙂👍
Big thank you to whoever allowed you to make this video.
Thank you Leonard
Hoping it was not Boris Johnson
An Coats No he isn’t.
@@danielledewitt1 Well, he's probably good at *something*. Skiving?
Does that mean that you, Leonard Smith, are the guy to contact if I wanted to go down there too?
Another amazing video Martin well done your vids get better and better
Thanks very much Tom
Excellent video, as a Collyhurst lad in the late 1950s me and my mates used to follow the Irk from Queens Road bridge into Red Bank counting rats as we we went along!
Thanks to you know who you are for inviting Martin to have a look at another secret part of Manchester.
Thanks very much 👍
You could be a TV presenter on those Sky channels. Excellent explanations and connecting past and present locations. Belting.
15:19 the river Irk certainly seems capable of filling the culvert.... great video martin! And yes, thank you whoever you are....
Yes Daniel scary to see where it may have gotten up to
when you showed those old maps and photos to identify the bridge that was incredible! absolutely fascinating
Thanks very much
I have lived just to the west of Manchester for all of my 60 years. Most of the facts that you showcase in your videos were not known to me.
Thank you for some fascinating insights into the hidden history of the city and its outlying districts.
Maybe in a future video, you could travel a little west of the city, to Clifton Country Park. Where lies the remains of one of Englands earliest Collieries; The Wet Earth Colliery, where Engineer James Brindley made water flow uphill.
I am in the process of watching all of your video's and enjoying them all.
Thank you Gary and yes I do want to go to wet earth
All that quality Victorian brickwork hidden away for few to see, really would put a Redrow newbuild to shame. Great video as ever Martin.
It certainly would Darren and thank you
Amazing to see all that intricate brickwork, stone facing and paving that would never be seen again, the Vics sure had pride in their work unlike some of today's cobbled together pieces of "engineering". Thanks Martin and the "nameless" for giving us the privilege to see this. Loving all this history, I know more about underground Manchester than my own neck of the woods!!!! You must be nearing the end of your Irk/Irwell journey by now?????
Martin should be on the TV, hands down one of the most fascinating channels on TH-cam.
Thanks very much Twiglet
Really enjoyed this mate, as a fellow mancunian from Salford I'm always intrigued by Manchester's history. It was me who got inside the train station and opened the metal door by the way lol keep up the great production
Thanks very much really appreciate it 👍
30 mins on youtube well spent for once...
Thanks Georgie
Manchester Library or whatever institute saving Manchester and nearby history, should have copies of this and other Martin videos...
When TH-cam is gone or some other reason these videos are gone (hopefully that will not ever happen) somewhere should have copies of well-done history videos...
Huge thanks to Martin and the company/person who allows the access for this location.
Agreed
Thank you. I have all the copies on a hard drive
Thanks Martin, for another outstanding vid that for some of us from the Manchester area find almost " moving" when you look at some of the old stills ( photos )..... it makes you realise the ever increasing pace of change.
( someone earlier, mentioned gas lamps in their street ......
these vids bring back so many memories that seem like yesterday. Our Grove in Reddish had a gas lamp until about 1959-60. when a lot of streets were still cobbled. At the bottom of our street was Craven Machine Tools, a big factory across the railway line. In winter the night sky was lit bright orange, as they poured molten iron in the foundary and a million sparks lit the darkness....... and now people can't live 2 minutes without their smartphones .... weird in'it, almost scary : S
Cheers
Roj
Thank you, thats a great memory, very atmospheric
Whenever one reads or hears an explanation as to what has become of salmonid fish populations and they mention "habitat loss" as a major problem, this is part of what the fisheries specialists are talking about. Terrific exploration, Martin! Thank you again for taking me along with you : ).
Thank you, yes unnatural river beds
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Your coverage of the Mancurian history really deserve to be told to the general public in a TV series. Thumbs up from here, and keep up the good work!
Thanks very much Anders 👍
Thank you so much for another fascinating video. I feel the bridge is an historic “Triggers broom”.
Am inclined to agree Craig 👍
In the 1840s they would have rivitted the bridge like Blackpool Tower and Tower Bridge. I agree you have the right location for the Mills. But I think its a later replacement
Thanks Nick, yes I agree
The iron work looks like it may have been added during the construction of the station to reinforce the inner part, which looks very like the bridge in the drawing.
@@markmoz the station has evolved over the years I wonder if it was put in as a pipe bridge for the services.
I would concur with Nick Lowe’s comment, the bridge in the photograph is also much higher, possibly lowered or rebuilt replacing the one in the photograph
Hello , I live in the cereal city capital of the world where Post and Kellogg cereal reside. An that's just a little bit of our old history in our town among some other. I really enjoyed your videos thanks for sharing , Jim from Battle Creek Michigan 🇺🇸...
We have the Kellogg's factory on Barton Dock Road in Trafford Park in Manchester. Surely there can't be more than one? ;O)
Hello Jim many thanks for watching and best regards to Battle Creek Michigan 👍
@@pattheplanter I agree there is other Kellogg plants around the world . the original Kellogg's cereal plant is from Battle Creek Michigan the founder was WK Kellogg he's actually buried in one of our cemeteries as well.
@@pattheplanter That's the one with a picture of a big chicken on it isn't it? Or was I tripping when I saw that ?
@@ballardja1972Mr. Kellogg had a comedy sketch done about him on the BBC children's comedy Horrible Histories - I have to tell you that is an honour that not everyone achieves:)
Hi I'm really enjoyed watching this video link its soo good and educational and thanks for the trouble getting this showing people who wouldn't be aware of all the history of the canals and railway tunnels that you so bravely delve into with no fear. Well done and I look forward to seeing you again for more of your educational videos.
Keep up the good work and be safe.
John.
Thank you very much John. Glad you enjoyed 👍
Nice one Martin all on ya tod great show
Thanks very much Jay
Yes Martin the graphics, maps are vital even for Mancs so you can pinpoint where everything is and you do it superb. You'll be running out of rivers soon. 😉
Keep up the good work mate. You teach me things I love to learn and show me places that I can't go and how things use to be. Thank you.
Thanks very much Mikel
Amazing access! Great video!!
The brickwork is stunning, especially the circle tunnels. So many old bridges left inside, just fascinating!
Yes I do love the brickwork
Excellent and informative. Thank you.
hello to you martin our dear friend well that was a fantastic film you done well as you always do we were glued to the screen thank you so much and all the best to you and the people that gave you the access to the under ground water way loved it cheers from old trev and christine down in the south
Hello Trev and Christine many thanks to you both
Very good and interesting video again! Thanks!
Thank you Flo
Another cracking & interesting vid Martin your content just keeps getting better
Thank you Scotti
I am still reeling from you proving that "Cattle" bridge existing. I knew a bridge (I thought rickety bridge) existed from the map and that photo from Mcr. Library of the School mills. When you build a station the size of Manchester Victoria one tends to assume they would have cleared everything else out of the way first. Using Victoria I never appreciated it was still extant. I will now. It deserves to be more better well'known. Thank you once again for bringing it to light, literally as well as metaphorically. When you consider that sector of Mcr was particularly badly affected by the Christmas Blitz of '40, the I.R.A. bomb and the Arena bomb the station above must have protected it.
I think because it was a right-of-way that status meant it had to be incorporated into Victoria. We tend to think of bridges now as ten a penny. But that wasn't the case. As we've seen from recent floods they were often swept away and were expensive to maintain and a lucrative source of income for the landowner. There are special laws, Riparian Laws, for the owners of river beds etc.
With a growing population pre-railway and pre-refrigeration crops such as barley, cattle and poultry had to be raised close by, if not in shippons in the midst of dwellings. It's a kind of a Manchester that's ignored. We are so full of the industrial revolution the wealth and squalor that the day-to-day practicalities of eating, washing are passed over.
The old Market Place and Exchange near Marks & Spencer under the Lords of the Manor the Mosleys' just couldn't cope with the rocketing population. St. Peter's Fields (Peterloo Massacre) must have been the home of cattle, ducks, pigs etc and other areas like it. I think the NQ area around Newton Street were small holdings until they were sold of in plots.
They started to specialise and and move out of the traditional market place. The Apple market was facing the Cathedral on Fennel Street, the bird market on Withy Grove and Smithfield meat and produce market. If you just look at pictures from old photos the amount of horses in Mcr was extraordinary pulling carts etc. Where did they keep 'em? They were as common as cars. I think at London Road station there were 3,000 alone most kept in the undercroft. There were jobs, ostlers, grooms, carters just around horses alone. Can you imagine the smell of Mcr with all those shippons?
I do think we are no longer indifferent to history and hope the Hunt's Bank Bridge area is tastefully opened up to to the public.
Regards,
Mark. 👍
I can see the BBC or ITV contacting martin for an interview. Manchester has so much history and much of it is hidden.
@@EinkOLED Exactly, from Roman times to the present and his range of skills, musical, editing and drone-flying coupled to his obvious love and enthusiasm for history and his communication skills rolled up into one person is extraordinary. TV is mostly dull by comparison. To say he does it when he comes home from work is spellbinding. Just hope he doesn't put himself in danger which I am sure he takes all precautions. 🙂
@@EinkOLED it's nice to watch someone who has enthusiasm for what he does reminds me of how tv use to be as a child where you'd be watching something and the presenter would have the nack of keeping you glued to what they we're presenting watch a lot of exploring videos on TH-cam and Martin is one of the best at what he does
Amazing opening, gutted can't watch at the moment but will be back later keep up the great work. update - Managed to watch at lunch time. Excellent, well documented. You sir, should be presenting documentaries on the BBC.
Feck them corrupt lot, He needs his own show lol!
Important documentary work going on here, great effort particularly with the permissions. Takes time to build relationships to get this far. Well done.
Thanks very much Simon
brilliant...from strength to strength
Thanks David
Fantastic video love. The. Detail you go into is amazing
Thanks very much Nick. yeah I got right into it, always had a fascination with that area
.....now THAT was AMAZING! An excellently presented insite into the world underneath Manchester. LOVED WATCHING!
Thanks very much. I think its my favourite Culvert at the moment
Absolutely outstanding! The detail you go into is amazing. Using the sequential maps to visually explain the stages and development of the "cattle bridge" is brilliant. And delivered with the zeal and enthusiasm of a friend sitting in a pub just draws you right in. Your enthusiasm and passion are very contagious. How I would love tag along! Thanks.
Thanks John. I was a bit obsessive over this one
Brilliant Martin 👍Thank you.
Thanks very much Ian
Love your videos. So interesting and entertaining. Thank you!!
Thanks very much
Wonderful. Such great content. Shame for all the trash everywhere. Thank you for your efforts in bringing us in these places.
Thank you very much
To me the immense arches that exist throughout Manchester are as you have in effect said Urban Cathedrals. They are in their own way truly beautiful, and I am so looking forward to being in Manchester this coming year ,definitely want to meet . Maybe we can do some urban exploration. Thank you Martin.
Your videos are making me want to visit Manchester and surrounds.
Cool.. That was brilliant, as usual and to top it off... A new word to add to my vocabulary..
"Squozen" 😂
As always fascinating urban history.
Thanks Tim
Wonderful atmospheric vid. Great research, love the informative maps. A great feeling of the wave of history. AND big spiders too, heroic!
Brilliant as usual. Well done yet again. Great to watch.
Thanks Rob
Great video Martin, really enjoyed it. Hope you do some more similar one's in the future.
Thanks David, hope so
OMG...I was panicking for you down there. Brilliant..... thank you and anyone else concerned.
Thanks very much, wasnt too bad, stayed away from the deep bits
Such a treat to see a new video from you popping up! Especially when its title involves the words "underground" and "exploring" :-)
Ha 😀Thanks Julian
Great video Martin keep them coming 👍🏻
Thanks very much Mark
GR8 M8 THANK YOU REGRARDS FROM CYPRUS
Thank you and best regards to Cyprus
Brilliant video. Thank you for providing the opportunity for viewers to see these amazing sites.
Thanks David
The current utility bridge is a truss frame made of angle iron and flats . If wrought iron , it could be early to mid 1800s . If steel it would be 1870s or later and also ribited . Old photo shows older heavier wood structure with columns . Nice video , keep digging .
I'd agree with Montie. It is likely there were many versions of this bridge at that particular crossing, with the first and 16-17th C versions almost certainly being timber. The material of the current incarnation of the bridge appears to be a quite modern retrofit. Iron material for the original or even subsequent replacements wouldn't have been reliably available until the 19th C. If it were iron, I would expect to see much heftier looking sections and lots of rivets. The metal arch you are seeing now is likely a fairly modern 20th century vintage. Note at 15:28 what appears to me to be a modestly bolted splice in the top chord. There are also very few visible fasteners of any kind amongst all of those angles, indicating to me welds. Even 1920s-1940s structures would have had visible rivets. There must be something very useful/important inside the wooden enclosure that would warrant such a modern upgrade.
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Great Video weird brickwork superb
Great video Martin, you've definitely got no phobias like me of deep, dark water and dark tunnels ! As always very interesting and well produced, keep them coming !
Thanks Steve, I just get swept away with the current in these places 😀
All your hard work in this video much appreciated pal ! Eating flys and all that ....lol
I have a taste for Flys now 😃
Thank you Martin for another fantastic video, love the amount of information that you put into your videos, keep up the excellent work :)
Thanks very much Tim
@@MartinZero you're very welcome mate 👌🏽
Another stunning video, well done Martin.
Thanks very much Richard
That cemetery was a mass grave for the workers who lived and died in the workhouse. It was just a case of chuck them in and cover them up ready for the next lot with no thought at all to dignity or hygiene. These people were viewed just like we treat cheap appliances now, chuck them out when they break and get a new one.
I think the easiest way to get the orientation on where the mills were and the approach to the old station would be to find Cheetham Hill Road (called York Street on the old maps) and work it out from there as that's probably the only thing that is the same (the route anyway) now as it was then.
Damn thats sad.
@@gilgammesh1 - That was the mentality from the start of the Industrial Revolution until the laws being changed to give worker's rights around the turn of the 20th century. They would have kids as young as 5 running through the machines and if they got hurt or killed, chuck them out on the street or in a mass grave. I am shocked that they even built a pauper's grave seeing as most were probably just dumped in the river.
@@handsolo1209 Yeah i remember learning in school as a lil kid about younguns in the mills etc. I think it's just the way you said it that really put it into perspective.
I guess there'd be no burial records then?
@@BestUserNameUK - Nothing official I would imagine. It was probably done as a PR thing to make the Factory owner look like a great and caring guy, so maybe there was a record of workers who died kept by the factory, but the graves were not marked. It was more like how you see garbage being dumped in a hole in the ground nowadays, just fill the hole and cover it for the next lot to go in, and it would only be surviving relatives who would probably even care or remember who was in there. The people in thos eplaces were supposed to be grateful for employment and a roof over their heads. They were totally disposable. This was the era where a "gentleman" could just kill the riff-raff if he felt like it.
Superb as always, thank you!
Thanks very much
When they rebuilt Vic station to the God awful format it is today, in the early 1990's, they dug into the old cemetery. They had a load of human remains including numerous skulls lined up along the edge of what is now platform 3. Unsure how they disposed of these bones, but there was a lot of em.
The original station building is where the Traincrew messroom is now located. I could tell you some tales about what's gone in there over the years, and the characters that have frequented it 🤣
Wow I wish I had seen those remains
Martin Zero the remains were reinterred at Southern Cemetery on the 5th November 2010... check this interesting info out with a picture of the headstone: www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=556235.0
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Enjoyable and informative. Thanks for the content.
great vid, but one spider i`d be gone.
I almost was, and thanks 😆
I would be scared of rats
Absolutely fascinating mate.
Thank you 👍
Great video so far... sure the rest will be great. At ~20:00 School Mills, assume you are talking about the lower of the two bridges in the picture? TY
I dunno am still confused 😃
@@MartinZero maybe im foccused on the higher bridge? Be good t ýo
I think that it is the lower bridge as the angled stretcher support beams are resting on stone corbels as seen existing in the culvert today.
Supposition or not, I'll accept your opinion, excellent video 👍👍👍👍
Thank you, I do hope I have it correct
Mate you got balls, if i was down there i would turn that river in to a sewer, great vid its hard to imagine all that running under our citys: not to scary now watched it all, looks like a top adventure, do you have to get permission for that one?
Turn the river into a sewer, nice one 😆Its complicated 😉
Very enjoyable explore Martin. Loved the bridge Mystery, and hope that someone can shed some more light on it.
Yeah me too, just not enough written about it
The wooden footbridge on the map is on the Irwell (west) side of Schools Mills so it can't be the bridge in the photograph which is on the east side of the mills and is also rather too high. There is a much lower bridge on the photograph on the west side of the mills; for me that is the more likely candidate.
I thought the bridge you are talking about was the bridge he was talking about.
Yes revered to the right bottom of mill bridge
Completely overwhelming. That wooden bridge inside... thank you!
Thanks for more interesting history on Manchester's hidden rivers.
I have a question that you may be able to answer, is there any significance in the fact that both of the rivers beginning with Ir?
You got me there Roy, good point though
Fascinating! Love this guy's accent!
I'm surprised I didn't see you! :D... always wondered about this one being so close.
Do you hang out down there Gary 😀
@@MartinZero I live nearby :P
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I am absolutely not surprised, you are Amazing at what you do. You are so passionate and Love the work you do. You should give up your day job and Concentrate all your efforts on what you do best. Which is exploring the History of the unseen areas of Manchester. Which would otherwise be forgotten. Thank you for all your hard work from a Mancunian now living in Cyprus.
Thanks very much. Unfortunately TH-cam doesn’t pay all the bills 👍
Or some merchandise, hoodies t-shirts stickers etc.
Another gem of a video yet again Martin.
Thanks very much Neil
Jesus look how high the water level has been in the past 15:19
lol I said the same thing at the same time...
Yeah scary
I initially thought the same but looking closer isn’t it just a birds nest?
@@paulcharlton4788 If the debris were not strewn along the cross members I would think it was a nest too... but you might be right
@@URTonemanclan sorry about the late reply (3 years lol) but the beams are to thin for a bird's nest and you can see how all the debris is bunched up in the center. And the birds must have some epic night vision to fly in that pitch black tunnel 🤣 also if you look at 15:28 on the right side of the screen you can see what looks like 2 white rags hanging down that's high water level debris in my book 👍🙂
Fascinating absolutely fascinating!
Thanks Jamie
I came here from your latest Vid about the BRSA Club - funny enough @ 20:35 in this vid - you've inadvertently have shown the Entrance to the BRSA Club not knowing thatt in a future vid - you will be talking about it!!! 🙂🚂🚂🚂
Beautiful and immense engineering and architecture, such a pitty it hasn't been maintained
From Martin to Martin, like your videos very much...👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks very much Martin 😃👍
Better than anything on the box tonight. Thanks for sharing
Well done! Enough factual material to make it satisfying, and enough unanswered questions to keep it intriguing. The quality of your videos and editing has gone way up as well. Keep it up!
Brilliant video Martin. Very interesting indeed. Loving your music too. Very blade runner esque. Brilliant work.
Thanks Kenny, yes it was a bit blade runner 😃
as always amazing stuff ....Well done
Thanks very much
@@MartinZero Having spent many hours looking into the Tunnel Mouth in this video and wondering what is beyond I found this fantastic to watch... keep up the good work ...
Interesting Martin, great video! Thank you 🙂
Thank you Sue
Fascinating video. I'd have been terrified down there!
You would of loved it Ruth 😄
Very cool historical explore, Thanks..you know who you are.
Brilliant very informative.👍
Very cool thanks.
I'm always amazed with the information and adventure in each of Martins video documentaries, very good entertainment.
Fascinating yet a very foreboding location. A truly rare location very few will ever see in person. Another top brilliant video brought to you by the guru of historical places....Martin Zero.!!!!!!!!!!
What's another great video the quality of the of the workmen ship in the sewers is amazing what were built hundreds of years ago. Thanks look forward to your next video John Bailey of Leicester thank you
Hi John, yes I do love a good sewer and the brickwork is often brilliant
Great video, very informative thanks.
Interesting like always ...keep up the great work!!!
Thank you Matt
Yet another interesting jurny into history i find it so relaxing after work where you going next i wonder
Thanks very much Mark
Thank you once again just love seeing these places and the old maps showing what it used to look like 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you Michelle, me to 👍
Another awsome video martin. thanks great stuff..
Thanks Steve
Another great video. Amazing how much history is hidden away in Manchester, very informative and well put together 👍
Thanks very much Andy
Another great video, and all that under our feet !
Thanks Gareth, yeah great stuff eh