Yeah, and they also died the worst way. They were alive all that time they were falling to their death, while passengers and crew on BAL plane died almost immediately.
My father who is an Air Traffic Controller once was briefed in a seminar by a close friend of Nielsen, the murdered ATC. He was told that it was not really Nielsen’s fault as the tragedy occured because of a series of mistakes made by several people, the overwhelming tasks Nielsen had to face, the regulations, and a number of errors in the way things were organized then. It’s the classic swiss chesse incident. It is very unlikely to happen, but when all the holes line up, tragedy occurs.
*Imagine sitting in one of the planes and you are just casually looking at the beautiful night-sky from your little window thinking how wonderful the world is. Suddenly you see a other plane heading the plane where you are in...... The thought of "I will most likely die in som seconds." will come up immediately. No time for a tear.* I just wanted to let you know that life and dead can be on a sneaky corner. Be happy with your life and the things you have.
@100K With a CERTAIN AMOUNT of videos challenge Yep, I used to be an intern at DHL Bahrain, the hub of Middle East and went with my supervisor for the pre flight inspection and pushback assistance
Made this comment before flying to Amsterdam got a like before boarding to go to Barcelona, got another one now and Friday I'm flying to Vienna, I just can't escape the anxiety it would seem 😂
Sadly it happens. I know of at least 2 more crashes that happened that way. One was even more odd (planes at same level flight can happen), since one plane was descending for landing and other was climbing for a level flight.
Nah it's actually quite high. The reason being that planes go in pre-defined flight paths. If planes just took whatever random route they wanted then yeah it'd be incredibly unlikely, but given they all go through specific routes it dramatically raises the likelihood.
Isn't the rule now that if TCAS goes off, you disregard ALL ATC instructions and follow it's guidance to get clear of the conflict? Only going back to following ATC after you're clear of the conflict.
Machine isnt always right. Check out Aeroperú Flight 603. Air data computers were unable to show correct airspeed and altitude on cockpit displays, because a maintenance worker had failed to remove tape covering the static ports on the aircraft exterior.
I was there when these planes came down over Überlingen Germany, my hometown. I also visited the Memorial site and layed flowers. Absolutely devastating. There was a movie made about this. Called AFTERMATH
@Kermit Da Frog Oof No. I was flying that same night from Charleston SC to Stuttgart Germany. I had my son with me and we rented a car and drove to my home town Konstanz. We past Überlingen and everything was taped off. When I arrived at my grandfather's house, he told me bodyparts where found all over in a 7 km range... it was horrible. This is my home town. In 2018 I visited the Memorial site in Überlingen and layed flowers. I posted photos on the Überlingen Gedenkstätte. May these victims rest in peace.
@Kermit Da Frog Oof Here is the Memorial site and the photos I posted. I m the one holding the yellow flowers and wore a long dress. That was in 2018. I go back this December to visit my terminal ill grandfather. Gedenkstätte für die Opfer der Flugzeugkollision von Überlingen Höllwängen 16, 88662 Überlingen, Germany g.co/kgs/KXbW7e
Tcas had already resolved the issue by commanding the pilots to climb and descent respectively. Though the fault order was given by the controller, pilot should have clarified and followed the Tcas. Sometimes better to trust machine than man.
its not *machine* vs *man* .......they are both using radars to know where the plane postitions are but the radar (TCAS) in planes are much more accurate and reliable then radars on the Ground
At that time ICAO did not have proper guidelines regarding such situations when the TCAS gives resolution advisory and the controller gives instructions,not conforming to each other.. after this accident itself did ICAO make it clear that in such a situation the pilot shall follow the TCAS advisory and not the controllers instruction.. the pilot's dilemma in this case was quite natural,and his decision to trust the human also cannot be questioned... In aviation its imperative to have clear cut guidelines for everything,leaving no room for any ambiguity...
Just imagine that 5 minutes before this happened you were wondering how exciting your holidays gonna be then boom your life just flashed before your eyes
he had communications, he communicated to the Russian pilots to descend and that the plane was approaching from the left, get your facts right before trying to bash others
I wish someone could make a video on what the passengers possibly go through in mid-air collisions. I always hope that everyone dies immediately but there have been a few times where people have made it all the way down to the ground from 30,000+ feet. They all died shortly after but the descent alone... I can't even imagine how terrifying that had to be for them. In these situations, the people that die instanteously are definitely the lucky ones.
During 1996 Charkhi Dadri Mid air collision there were 4 to 6 survivers initially but they soon died because of their injuries .The two planes collided at 14 000 feet over Haryana state of India on 12 November 1996.
Being in the ATC is a very tough job. However, this was a mistake you simply can NOT make. Messing up right and left. And then not communicating properly and having both planes descend as a result.
Well... First, the radar system was an old backup one he wasn't used to... He was alone working on two stations. He had to try to reach the airport about an important flight that was delayed. The collisiong warning system wasn't working and nobody told him... Normally, the system would have detect the problem way before the TCAS would have come into play... The russian aircraft would have descent and nothing would have happened... At that time, there wasn't any rule about TCAS taking priorities over ATC too... Basically, it was a chain of events, not just one thing...
fax on fax on fax MyTrIx, the ATC was workin alone wit practically all his equipment on "B a CK u p", how tf u gonna run maintenance on all his equipment at once?? But even tho, that would not have been an issue if that other aircraft was not delayed, so much shit just came together at the wrong time and resulted in an unfortunate tragedy
ATC is very tough job, especially if you're doing job of two people, with slower backup radar, not working phone due to maintenance and no one even informed you about it. I think one more tool was not working properly but I'm not sure. His descend order was ok, pilots should just listen TCAS instead of him.
Pay attention to the narrator. Nielsen ordered the Russian pilots to climb, and the DHL crew to descend. Then the TCAS on both planes goes on, each one ordering the opposite of what Nielsen said. The Russian pilots followed Nielsen, and the DHL crew followed the TCAS on their plane.
Imagine the horror... imagine looking and seeing another plan headed right at you. Imagine being ripped in 2 being flung out your seat free falling to the ground and being obliterated to pieces
The air traffic controller who was murdered really shouldn't have to die for this accident. He was alone juggling many aircrafts. I understand the pain of the parent but how does adding another tragedy help??
And don't forget that he was also dealing with multiple equipment failures which, had the radar system and the phones been fully functional, he might have been able to prevent the accident entirely.
What a fucking load of excuses. I've been at the controls of a VFR flight, with nothing but a radio and basic transponder (no fancy TCAS systems like they had here), and ATC still had the ability to tell me accurately where conflicting traffic was coming from and gave me instructions to avoid colliding with them. This was a VFR flight where the pilot is ultimately responsible for separation, not ATC. They were operating under IFR, where it is literally up to ATC to keep them apart. Peter Nielsen failed to do his job, and as a result, killed 71 people. Yes there were plenty of other factors that made the situation much more challenging for him, but ultimately it was his fuck up for not noticing a potential conflict before it had a chance to become a potential emergency. He couldn't even tell them accurately which direction the conflicting traffic was coming from, fucking couldn't even tell left from right. I don't believe he deserved to be killed but I believe his incompetence was a major factor in the deaths of those innocent passengers.
The speed of sound at -50C (estimate for night travel at 36,000ft) would be around 1080km/h. If the planes were travelling at a 90 degree angle to each other then to approach each other at this speed, each plane would only need to be travelling at 764km/h. Maximum cruising speed of the Boeing 747 was around 980km/h.
Они совершили трагическую ошибку, не обращаясь с воздушным движением из другого радиолокационного центра, одновременно проводя техническое обслуживание. Не ошибка диспетчера УВД.
I have watched all of the Air Crash Investigation (not Seconds from Disaster) episodes and this particular episode with the Uberlingen Disaster is by far the saddest. I cried at the end of the episode. Everything about the episode is heartbreaking.
We even found Debris of the plane 12 years later when we were on vacation and made a stop there. I took it home and they told me I can keep it. But it is in the basement, I cannot put it somewhere. It´s the very tip of the rudder. Some 12X18cm.
Yeah. But Russia had stated that in a situation like that the pilot were to decide whether to obey the TCAS or the air traffic controller. The Russian crew happened to obey Nielsen.
I highly suggest watching a much longer documentary with those actually involved giving interviews. It’s quite interesting and captures your full attention. the actors they use also make it feel so real. Almost as if you’re there even though that’s obviously even remotely how you would actually feel if you were there but you know. It gets intense and it’s such a good watch. The channel im talking about uses incredible detail and the channel name is called “Wonder” This one specifically is i believe “52” or so minutes.
Lost of one's family is painful but killing niel is not fair, my heart is broken each time I watch the video. Chan of events lead to the disaster which was not Neil making!
@@FPIism Alright you morons, listen Firstly he was given compensation but he told them just say sorry and that will be enough He just want an apology, but guess what, the company was scared of going to the judge and losing some money if your family was killed because of an idiot who can't do his job right, what would you do? Yes vengeance is bad, but you can understand him Secondly the bs that he was he was given a medal is not true he wasn't, he is well known, yes, he was given a large compensation from Russia for his family, yes, but no medal. Please tell others as this is the truth, watch the Russian movie '' neproshoniij" and you will see how it looked from his pov. Please. Thanks
My Grandpa was the mayor of Überlingen at the time, and he talks about how horrific the accident was, his name is Volkmar Weber. It is insane that he was mayor at such an important part in Überlingens history.
A year earlier, the same thing almost happened in Japan. As a result the Asian agency on civil aviation ordered all pilots must follow their TCAS warning system first over air traffic controllers. The European agency refused to do the same until after this crash.
I think I once heard somebody say it takes 7 minutes to fall about 35,000 ft can you imagine that you're still alive you're in your seat belt and you have 7 minutes to say goodbye or pray airliners are amazing machines it still scares the hell out of me to get on one I don't think I'll ever get on another one again ever God bless those people
First, you would be unconscious after the collision because pressure, and second, you are most likely to die in a car crash, planes are safest method of transportation
@@ThatAviationGamer if it split in half, you would go unconscious since theres barely any oxygen at that altitude, in the tail case though, you will stay alive unless the plane depressurizes from a hull breach
@@ron3557 you still can live in the tail, a flight attendant was in the tail and was blocked by serving carts and luggage, fell 30k ft, and lived. Flight: Yugoslav Airlines Flight 367
A million to one odds, at high altitude, numerous incidents in the past of mid air collisions but between a commercial jet and a small private or military aircraft under 10000ft
Very low, 1 in a million, n despite that it happened! That's y this air crash investigation episode. It is such a horrifying episode i didn't slept for 3 nights after watching it
Do not judge me. But when the top tail of the dhl plane ripped apart, it shouldn't affect the plane to land safely without it. Or did the crash brake the hydraulic system?
@@ron3557 G-forces will certainly have caused many injuries and likely deaths. Depressurization however doesn't cause instant death at all, unless we're talking about spaceflight. People go unconscious long before Oxygen deprivation becomes lethal, and even after an explosive decompression i'd take some moments before one passes out. Not to be a downer but..... yeah, at least some people on that passenger aircraft were alive and conscious, if hypoxic, during the fall.
Mercedes Kurszewski the ATC operator was killed by a father of one of the victims in the Bashkirian airliner. He was partly responsible for the entire thing.
@@saurabhshrigadi dude, senses of humor exist. people joke about death all the time, it's a form of respect, somehow. and yes i know this reply was 1 whole year ago
QUESTION.....IF YOU HAD TOBE ON 1 OF THOSE PLANES WHICH EOUKD YOU RATHER BE ON. THE ONE TBAT LOOSES TGE RUDDER OR THE ONE THAT GETS SLISED IN HALF..... YOU MUST CHOOSE 1...AND WHY????
imagine the people on the inside of those planes, falling to their death at that height knowing they will all die, falling will probably take another 5-7 minutes.
The passenger plane was violently ripped apart in a split-second; there's no air, the temperature at that altitude is unsurvivable, you're being blasted with the equivalent of a stronger wind than ever occurs in a storm on the ground, plus there was an explosion. Nobody was conscious for more than a few seconds and nobody had any idea of what had happened. They were dead almost instantly, which is merciful.
@@hebneh - The temperature is survivable but at that height the instant decompression of the fuselage meant their lungs suffered barotrauma as in exploded when the air instantly expanded faster than could be released.
I guess the highest odds for the DHL flight not to collide were by remaining to fly at the same altitude . They should have known that the Bashkirian plane got a TCAS instruction to climb and the instruction from the air traffic controller to descent, so probably the Bashkirian flight would do either of these options. Thus, the savest thing for the DHL would be to neither climb nor descent.
BarisStGermain Incorrect. The responsibility for keeping IFR traffic separated lies on the controller. He must keep them away from each other. The TCAS is there for emergency purposes, basically. The controller cannot tell whether the TCAS on an aircraft will tell it to climb or to descend; he couldn't do anything about it. He could and should have issued climb/descend orders to *both* planes, and not only one, though.
So often it's about communication - or the lack of it. In this case, not between ATC and the pilots but between the maintenance arm of ATC and the on-duty controllers. But probably it goes even further back than that. Were there protocols governing information-sharing during systems maintenance? If not, why not? On the technical side, ATC needs redundancy - back-up systems - no less than airplanes. It's just as critical. Hopefully the lessons have been learnt and fail-safe procedures introduced world-wide . . .
Machine isnt always right. Check out Aeroperú Flight 603. Air data computers were unable to show correct airspeed and altitude on cockpit displays, because a maintenance worker had failed to remove tape covering the static ports on the aircraft exterior.
@@christinagaller4374 the Aeroperu crash happened as the pitot tubes were covered which as a result shows wrong data. The crash at Überlingen wasn’t due to a technical failure or wrong input but miscommunication and too much work for the single ATC controller!
does everyone know most of the bashkirian airlines passanger are childs? and at the first clip it was the one of the victim's dad and he kill the atc controller. damn
This vid's narrative is unforgivably confusing in its entirety, but the references to ATC's systems being in "backup mode" are prime examples. They were down because they were being backed up? Or the backup was engaged while other systems were being backed up? "The backup system has a fault." (1:59) WTF does that mean? The whole narrative about "backup mode" is exasperatingly unclear and seems deliberately worded to minimize Nielsen's role. Guess I'll need to view other vids to fill in the gaps.
2:30 "faster than the speed of sound"??? What. I know planes like the Concorde can do that, but at way higher altitudes. Sloppy narrative makes the whole thing sound like a joke.
Heard about this aviation catastrophe on Casefile True Crime podcast Case 106 parts 1 and 2 on Spotify. The story is being told in great detail, much recommended to listen to.
Keira Wilson There's more to it. He was working two stations alone. The radar system was a different, older backup one, not the one he was accustomed to. The stations early collision warning alarm system had been shut off without his knowledge. He worked for a private (evidently crappy) company that was obviously cutting corners. Russian pilots are notorious for just doing whatever they feel like. And he was murdered for these things (and his own culpability).
Every Time there is a catastrophe like that, thats always the guys on the guys on the bottom who get screwed, while the true responsible, on the top, get absolutely nothing. How the hell can someome manage all that airfield alone with almost half his instruments broken or cut off ? That was a catastrophe waiting to happen
I can’t think of a scarier death than this
Cancer?
What about going to deep in the sea and your oxygen supply fails???
Being buried alive
Dying of a broken heart
Drowning
I feel bad for everyone involved, but i feel especially bad for the two DHL pilots that did literally everything right and still died.
Yeah, and they also died the worst way. They were alive all that time they were falling to their death, while passengers and crew on BAL plane died almost immediately.
This comment needs more likes...
was threre no ay to control plane without vertical stabilizer
Union Gamers yup especially with no hydraulic because some hydraulic line in the tail are cut off because of impact
Moist Towelettes there was nothing they could do so they had to give their lives
My father who is an Air Traffic Controller once was briefed in a seminar by a close friend of Nielsen, the murdered ATC. He was told that it was not really Nielsen’s fault as the tragedy occured because of a series of mistakes made by several people, the overwhelming tasks Nielsen had to face, the regulations, and a number of errors in the way things were organized then. It’s the classic swiss chesse incident. It is very unlikely to happen, but when all the holes line up, tragedy occurs.
Actually, what did you try to say?
no one cares, he was at fault and paid for it already.
@@A1Kira So does everyone at your disrespectful comment, grow up Low life scrub
The old saying, Punish The Monkey, But Let The Organ Grinder Go, has never been more appropriate.
*Imagine sitting in one of the planes and you are just casually looking at the beautiful night-sky from your little window thinking how wonderful the world is. Suddenly you see a other plane heading the plane where you are in......
The thought of "I will most likely die in som seconds." will come up immediately. No time for a tear.*
I just wanted to let you know that life and dead can be on a sneaky corner. Be happy with your life and the things you have.
Couldnt agree more well said mate
Gagan Klair thanks man
Mister 9mm when ever I step into a plan i say i am in but god only knows if i will be stepping out!!!
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This made my day better, thank you.
I saw this DHL plane leave Bahrain International Airport and never thought it wouldn't come back
Should of said something then before it took off
Well it technically did.
@@Beansiontoast how tf was he supposed know that the plane was gonna collide u dog shit
@100K With a CERTAIN AMOUNT of videos challenge Yep, I used to be an intern at DHL Bahrain, the hub of Middle East and went with my supervisor for the pre flight inspection and pushback assistance
@@luckiic5714 u literally have no sense of humor and dont understand tge joke
The fact that the majority of the victims were schoolchildren is heartbreaking 😥
Yep, unfortunately a violent crash doesn't care if it's victims are children or not. RIP
Absolutely
Yes...
@@theshermantanker7043 The sad truth!
What's worse is that most comments on every video on this suck off the perp ATC guy instead of recognizing the kids.
Why do I always end up on these videos when I'm about to fly... This is beyond me.. I must really hate myself lol
Made this comment before flying to Amsterdam got a like before boarding to go to Barcelona, got another one now and Friday I'm flying to Vienna, I just can't escape the anxiety it would seem 😂
Cman ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, perfectly hilarious
Same lmao
Its a nightmare to me as well before flying this kinda vdos knk on my screen all the time
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I wonder who has watched these and actually did end up in these situations😖
The odds of colliding at that open space are like winning the lotto. So sad.
If I won the lotto I would never get on a plane again. I'd figure I'd used up all my luck lol.
I think the odds of 2 planes colliding is like the odds if I got killed by a vending machine 3 times
Sadly it happens. I know of at least 2 more crashes that happened that way. One was even more odd (planes at same level flight can happen), since one plane was descending for landing and other was climbing for a level flight.
You’re actually less likely to win the lottery than you are to die in a plane crash, as depressing as it seems.
Nah it's actually quite high. The reason being that planes go in pre-defined flight paths. If planes just took whatever random route they wanted then yeah it'd be incredibly unlikely, but given they all go through specific routes it dramatically raises the likelihood.
Shouldn't he have killed the air traffic controller who took an unscheduled break?
Shhhh, this man defies logic
He should have killed nobody.
bowlchamps37 I agree, I feel his loss, but you shouldn’t do vengeance
Rajat T I totally agree, it is really disgusting to me that this man is hailed as some hero in Russia.
Evasion UK ikr
When you are on the planes WiFi and see a second WiFi connection 😦😦😦
😂😂😂
Im dead wahahahahah
Omg that's scary D:
Gary and Leo dhl planes dont have wifi
@@MsEdy09 are you dumb or trolling? Or living under a rock
It was this accident that has since changed the way ATC handles traffic. ATC now gives guidance to listen to TCAS, unless it's inoperative
Isn't the rule now that if TCAS goes off, you disregard ALL ATC instructions and follow it's guidance to get clear of the conflict? Only going back to following ATC after you're clear of the conflict.
@@GabbieTheFox Yes.
@@GabbieTheFox thats what he is saying
Machine isnt always right. Check out Aeroperú Flight 603. Air data computers were unable to show correct airspeed and altitude on cockpit displays, because a maintenance worker had failed to remove tape covering the static ports on the aircraft exterior.
@@GabbieTheFox Didn't it tell both planes to descend?
I was there when these planes came down over Überlingen Germany, my hometown. I also visited the Memorial site and layed flowers. Absolutely devastating. There was a movie made about this. Called AFTERMATH
Trump Supporters at Mar-A-Lago The movie, “Aftermath” was inspired by this event but not specifically about it.
@@tomburd282 Yes, but only slightly true to the real events.
@Kermit Da Frog Oof No. I was flying that same night from Charleston SC to Stuttgart Germany. I had my son with me and we rented a car and drove to my home town Konstanz. We past Überlingen and everything was taped off. When I arrived at my grandfather's house, he told me bodyparts where found all over in a 7 km range... it was horrible. This is my home town. In 2018 I visited the Memorial site in Überlingen and layed flowers. I posted photos on the Überlingen Gedenkstätte. May these victims rest in peace.
@Kermit Da Frog Oof Here is the Memorial site and the photos I posted. I m the one holding the yellow flowers and wore a long dress. That was in 2018. I go back this December to visit my terminal ill grandfather.
Gedenkstätte für die Opfer der Flugzeugkollision von Überlingen
Höllwängen 16, 88662 Überlingen, Germany g.co/kgs/KXbW7e
Tcas had already resolved the issue by commanding the pilots to climb and descent respectively. Though the fault order was given by the controller, pilot should have clarified and followed the Tcas. Sometimes better to trust machine than man.
its not *machine* vs *man* .......they are both using radars to know where the plane postitions are but the radar (TCAS) in planes are much more accurate and reliable then radars on the Ground
That's why since this accident a aviation rule has the TCAS always overruling TC instructions
SUPER STREAK747
At that time ICAO did not have proper guidelines regarding such situations when the TCAS gives resolution advisory and the controller gives instructions,not conforming to each other.. after this accident itself did ICAO make it clear that in such a situation the pilot shall follow the TCAS advisory and not the controllers instruction.. the pilot's dilemma in this case was quite natural,and his decision to trust the human also cannot be questioned... In aviation its imperative to have clear cut guidelines for everything,leaving no room for any ambiguity...
It was that damn 1202 Master Alarm..........
Just imagine that 5 minutes before this happened you were wondering how exciting your holidays gonna be then boom your life just flashed before your eyes
That does not even remotely represent a 757
Tbh, it looks a 707.
IKR
A 707 with 2 engines
Exactly!!
A kid with no hands could do better.
When an air traffic controller can't tell right and left
Nonsense. The controller lost the ability to tell anyone anything because he had no communications.
It’s not any easy job
He probably already had a long shift, I would’ve probably made the same mistake if I was working at night.
You did miss the part were it matters. Not L or R its about climb or descent... wtf is wrong with you?
he had communications, he communicated to the Russian pilots to descend and that the plane was approaching from the left, get your facts right before trying to bash others
I wish someone could make a video on what the passengers possibly go through in mid-air collisions. I always hope that everyone dies immediately but there have been a few times where people have made it all the way down to the ground from 30,000+ feet. They all died shortly after but the descent alone... I can't even imagine how terrifying that had to be for them. In these situations, the people that die instanteously are definitely the lucky ones.
kecola hypoxia is sedative don’t worry. Also everything finishes quickly.
yeah they go unconsciousness
During 1996 Charkhi Dadri Mid air collision there were 4 to 6 survivers initially but they soon died because of their injuries .The two planes collided at 14 000 feet over Haryana state of India on 12 November 1996.
@@abhilashkhajuria did they survive on the ground
@@zaheermotala43 no they died soon because of their grave injuries.Even if they have survived there would have been no fun of being alive.
Being in the ATC is a very tough job. However, this was a mistake you simply can NOT make. Messing up right and left. And then not communicating properly and having both planes descend as a result.
Well... First, the radar system was an old backup one he wasn't used to... He was alone working on two stations. He had to try to reach the airport about an important flight that was delayed. The collisiong warning system wasn't working and nobody told him... Normally, the system would have detect the problem way before the TCAS would have come into play... The russian aircraft would have descent and nothing would have happened... At that time, there wasn't any rule about TCAS taking priorities over ATC too... Basically, it was a chain of events, not just one thing...
fax on fax on fax MyTrIx, the ATC was workin alone wit practically all his equipment on "B a CK u p", how tf u gonna run maintenance on all his equipment at once?? But even tho, that would not have been an issue if that other aircraft was not delayed, so much shit just came together at the wrong time and resulted in an unfortunate tragedy
ATC is very tough job, especially if you're doing job of two people, with slower backup radar, not working phone due to maintenance and no one even informed you about it.
I think one more tool was not working properly but I'm not sure.
His descend order was ok, pilots should just listen TCAS instead of him.
Being understaffed is a big problem. The controller was overworked and they did a stupid thing with taking breaks. It’s not entirely Nielsen’s fault
Pay attention to the narrator. Nielsen ordered the Russian pilots to climb, and the DHL crew to descend. Then the TCAS on both planes goes on, each one ordering the opposite of what Nielsen said. The Russian pilots followed Nielsen, and the DHL crew followed the TCAS on their plane.
Imagine the horror... imagine looking and seeing another plan headed right at you. Imagine being ripped in 2 being flung out your seat free falling to the ground and being obliterated to pieces
The air traffic controller who was murdered really shouldn't have to die for this accident. He was alone juggling many aircrafts. I understand the pain of the parent but how does adding another tragedy help??
lol its russia what do you expect
And don't forget that he was also dealing with multiple equipment failures which, had the radar system and the phones been fully functional, he might have been able to prevent the accident entirely.
What a fucking load of excuses. I've been at the controls of a VFR flight, with nothing but a radio and basic transponder (no fancy TCAS systems like they had here), and ATC still had the ability to tell me accurately where conflicting traffic was coming from and gave me instructions to avoid colliding with them. This was a VFR flight where the pilot is ultimately responsible for separation, not ATC.
They were operating under IFR, where it is literally up to ATC to keep them apart. Peter Nielsen failed to do his job, and as a result, killed 71 people.
Yes there were plenty of other factors that made the situation much more challenging for him, but ultimately it was his fuck up for not noticing a potential conflict before it had a chance to become a potential emergency.
He couldn't even tell them accurately which direction the conflicting traffic was coming from, fucking couldn't even tell left from right. I don't believe he deserved to be killed but I believe his incompetence was a major factor in the deaths of those innocent passengers.
@@alexwu8077 Apples and oranges. Now go back to your Simulator.
He is Russian man. Only America is worst...
At work when you mess up on somebodys french fry order...show 'em this video.
Manbun Mullet why
Antmans awesome friend 18938 so they stop complaining that they messed up their fries and job.
Manbun Mullet we ain’t gonn talk about your profile pic?
Sigh. You Gen z and you're dumb meming.
@Aimeeisntoffcentredanymore Yeah FBI, this one right here.
Future pilots, this is why you should always listen to the TCAS while flying. Otherwise, something like this might happen.
Ok
Thank you for stating the obv.
Thomas Buxton I’m just giving you some advice.
after another similar incident occurred it became mandatory listening to tcas instead of atc.
Daniel Huxham Traffic Collision Avoidance System
Imagine if kids where on thoses planes not living a full life is sad may all the people rest in peace
@SCP-999 gaming and her dad killed the atc
WELL, THERE WERE ACTUALLY 65 AMONG 71 PEOPLES KIDS... THEY HAD A SCHOOL TRIP TO BARCELONA
RIP
@@faekapira he had to go.
This narrators voice always gives me goosebumps perfect for this show
The intro always reminds me of words by John Kennedy: Things do not happen, things are made to happen.
Wait...
Closing in together faster than the speed of sound?
*WHAT IS THIS!?*
*CONCORDE SPEED*
Asiana Airlines Yes
maybe speed he said would be the total speed of the Russian aircraft + the DHL one
The speed of sound at -50C (estimate for night travel at 36,000ft) would be around 1080km/h. If the planes were travelling at a 90 degree angle to each other then to approach each other at this speed, each plane would only need to be travelling at 764km/h. Maximum cruising speed of the Boeing 747 was around 980km/h.
Combined speed
I cant even imagine how scary a plane crash like this must be
Extremely terrifying especially when they see each other seconds before the crash.
This is so stressful and now I feel like never going on an aeroplane ever since I have watched plenty of those
You know you are so much more likely to die in a car crash. But we're not worried about that
Ur more likely to die trying to drive to the airport than flying lol
Good choice
They're safer than driving.
The DHL plane looks like it was animated by a blind person
Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin lol why? 😁
Они совершили трагическую ошибку, не обращаясь с воздушным движением из другого радиолокационного центра, одновременно проводя техническое обслуживание. Не ошибка диспетчера УВД.
Fuck you Vlad
Vladimir Vladimirovichyjncmhdhdkbbmv Putin
Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin it still looks better than your face
I have watched all of the Air Crash Investigation (not Seconds from Disaster) episodes and this particular episode with the Uberlingen Disaster is by far the saddest.
I cried at the end of the episode.
Everything about the episode is heartbreaking.
We even found Debris of the plane 12 years later when we were on vacation and made a stop there. I took it home and they told me I can keep it. But it is in the basement, I cannot put it somewhere. It´s the very tip of the rudder. Some 12X18cm.
Its so easy to say listen to the TCAS its never wrong...
Erik Rasmussen I’ll have to agree. Just listening to the TCAS could probably save YOUR life.
Yeah. But Russia had stated that in a situation like that the pilot were to decide whether to obey the TCAS or the air traffic controller. The Russian crew happened to obey Nielsen.
The Russian crew were also told to listen to a human over TCAS,
Erik Rasmussen it's 98% accurate. Don't quote me on that by the way
@@mef12727 "It's 98% accurate. Don't quote me on that by the way."
-Mef Hefty 2018
I'm walking from now on 🚶🏻♂️
Your destination is only 2000Km, that's walking distance!
You’re likely to get in accident while walking that flying lmao.
@@HelloRasupuBegasu Yessss, BUT he's NOT walking SCARED😳 as on an airplane!
@@HelloRasupuBegasu
Duh! Because more people are walking on the ground at any given time than there are planes in the sky.
I highly suggest watching a much longer documentary with those actually involved giving interviews. It’s quite interesting and captures your full attention. the actors they use also make it feel so real. Almost as if you’re there even though that’s obviously even remotely how you would actually feel if you were there but you know. It gets intense and it’s such a good watch. The channel im talking about uses incredible detail and the channel name is called “Wonder”
This one specifically is i believe “52” or so minutes.
I binge on these kind of videos
I love them... It really educates you as well..
So the charter plane had 63 pilots in the cockpit and still crashed?
@MineWit He's referring to how there were several people in the cockpit of the commercial plane.
@@Simpleobserver It's a plane from the 60's.. it needed 3 people to be operated
@@vladimirvladimirovichputin4960 The TU-154 needed more than 3
@@buddee20 are you sure? I've flown it a few times on xplane and it only has a panel for the flight engineer
I live only 45 km. from Überlingen Owingen. What happened was horrible, we will never forget that day!
Sometimes, just sometimes, the machine is smarter than the man
Nope. Well designed machine can produce reliable predictions. It doesn't have to be smarter, it is almost always better at what it's supposed to do.
Boeing 737 max says hello...
@@user-tq5ql7dg2e that’s why I said “sometimes”
Machines are not always smarter than us, but they certainly don't get frustrated and careless after long working hours
I’ve watched hours of videos about plane crashes (morbid curiosity I suppose), and this one by far freaks me out the most.
This one is scary
I was always curious like is the sky busy enough to where two planes could crash into each other in the air
It is one of the saddest incidents which could be avoided very easily.
Imagine an aviator geek watching this and noticing that the Boeing 757 and Tupolev tu-154 doesn't look like an actual plane.
Imagine how scary this would be if this happened in a cloud
Why is the phone and radar both on backup at the exact same time ??!🧐
So Niel was killed by someone because of this? Edit: I completely forgotten that I commented this once.
Harrison Shackleford
Okay
Lost of one's family is painful but killing niel is not fair, my heart is broken each time I watch the video. Chan of events lead to the disaster which was not Neil making!
@@FPIism Alright you morons, listen
Firstly he was given compensation but he told them just say sorry and that will be enough
He just want an apology, but guess what, the company was scared of going to the judge and losing some money if your family was killed because of an idiot who can't do his job right, what would you do? Yes vengeance is bad, but you can understand him
Secondly the bs that he was he was given a medal is not true he wasn't, he is well known, yes, he was given a large compensation from Russia for his family, yes, but no medal. Please tell others as this is the truth, watch the Russian movie '' neproshoniij" and you will see how it looked from his pov. Please. Thanks
@@pyre.youtube It doesn't matter how it looked "from his pov". He killed someone. Not okay.
My Grandpa was the mayor of Überlingen at the time, and he talks about how horrific the accident was, his name is Volkmar Weber. It is insane that he was mayor at such an important part in Überlingens history.
The 757 looks like a 747 with a flat hump and just 2 engines
The traffic controller was killed a few years later by a man who lost his entire family on that plane.
Source?
@@kylein9869 Vitaly Kaloyev
And I heard that guy who killed the traffic controller was labeled a hero and justified by some Russian.
A year earlier, the same thing almost happened in Japan. As a result the Asian agency on civil aviation ordered all pilots must follow their TCAS warning system first over air traffic controllers. The European agency refused to do the same until after this crash.
Just saw the movie on Netflix and wow just crazy to think things like this can happen in modern times
Which one will you believe in?
ATC: DHL reduce your altitude
DHL: Tower our TCAS tells us to climb
didnt understood the video
1:34 that’s not how the DHL Boeing 757 looks like
Was the movie Aftermath based on this?
I think I once heard somebody say it takes 7 minutes to fall about 35,000 ft can you imagine that you're still alive you're in your seat belt and you have 7 minutes to say goodbye or pray airliners are amazing machines it still scares the hell out of me to get on one I don't think I'll ever get on another one again ever God bless those people
First, you would be unconscious after the collision because pressure, and second, you are most likely to die in a car crash, planes are safest method of transportation
@@ron3557 what if the plane is split in half, or tail ripped off?
@@ThatAviationGamer if it split in half, you would go unconscious since theres barely any oxygen at that altitude, in the tail case though, you will stay alive unless the plane depressurizes from a hull breach
@@ron3557 you still can live in the tail, a flight attendant was in the tail and was blocked by serving carts and luggage, fell 30k ft, and lived. Flight: Yugoslav Airlines Flight 367
@@ThatAviationGamer well i dont know everything
Why did this pop up when I’m on a flight
What are the odds of 2 planes traveling at variable speeds and altitude come together at one spot😥
Not only that they were actively attempting to avoid each other
A million to one odds, at high altitude, numerous incidents in the past of mid air collisions but between a commercial jet and a small private or military aircraft under 10000ft
Actually, because airplanes follow certain paths the odds arent that low, but thats why the atc is there, to prevent that
Very low, 1 in a million, n despite that it happened! That's y this air crash investigation episode. It is such a horrifying episode i didn't slept for 3 nights after watching it
Bruh I'm watching a documentary about a mid-air collision and I see "New American Weed" in the top right 🤣
*new american weed* FROM 8PM
Ikr I saw 😂
Tim Harford has a great episode on the accident in the "Cautionary Tales" podcast under the name "The Vigilante and the Air Traffic Controller"
I'm living less than 20km away from that...
Do not judge me. But when the top tail of the dhl plane ripped apart, it shouldn't affect the plane to land safely without it. Or did the crash brake the hydraulic system?
the passengers who survived the crush knew they will die in a few minutes and they could not do nothing about it..so scary
No one survived in the passenger plane, they would die immediately from pressure and g force, notsure about dhl
@@ron3557 I’m very late, DHL kept gliding until a couple of km where they eventually crashed
@@ron3557 G-forces will certainly have caused many injuries and likely deaths. Depressurization however doesn't cause instant death at all, unless we're talking about spaceflight.
People go unconscious long before Oxygen deprivation becomes lethal, and even after an explosive decompression i'd take some moments before one passes out.
Not to be a downer but..... yeah, at least some people on that passenger aircraft were alive and conscious, if hypoxic, during the fall.
Why the DHL plane is not an 757 and this tu154 haves a new cockpit?!?!?!
RIP
To the innocent people that died they are legends they will be remembered forever may their soul rest in peace pls take care stay safe 🙏🙏😭😭
This is so hard for me to understand. what were the chance these two planes would meet?
And that's why we learn in flightschool to follow TCAS first.
What does the beginning have to do with the planes
Mercedes Kurszewski the ATC operator was killed by a father of one of the victims in the Bashkirian airliner. He was partly responsible for the entire thing.
I’m just happy the camera crew made it through this safely.
Seriously? Stop making shit jokes when it not required? People died. Have some respect. Not everything is joke
@@saurabhshrigadi dude, senses of humor exist. people joke about death all the time, it's a form of respect, somehow.
and yes i know this reply was 1 whole year ago
Yo ese accidente aéreo lo vi y supe por TV 😮😮😮Que lamentable por los familiares excelente video desde chile
The Boeing 757 looks more like an Airbus plane in this animation wtf
Lane_X big factz
It looks like the type of plane you'd see in a low budget CGI movie
How did I find you here???
QUESTION.....IF YOU HAD TOBE ON 1 OF THOSE PLANES WHICH EOUKD YOU RATHER BE ON. THE ONE TBAT LOOSES TGE RUDDER OR THE ONE THAT GETS SLISED IN HALF..... YOU MUST CHOOSE 1...AND WHY????
He should have said descend flight level 350 unless TCAS tells you otherwise
Yeah by the way the DHL plane was a 757 not some fuse between the a330 and fokker 100
*When you get this is your recommendation while on a flight*
Lol
I can’t believe the actually got the murderer of the air traffic controller to come onto this seconds from disaster show and let him talk through it
imagine the people on the inside of those planes, falling to their death at that height knowing they will all die, falling will probably take another 5-7 minutes.
No oxygen at that height. They go unconscious pretty quick...
The passenger plane was violently ripped apart in a split-second; there's no air, the temperature at that altitude is unsurvivable, you're being blasted with the equivalent of a stronger wind than ever occurs in a storm on the ground, plus there was an explosion. Nobody was conscious for more than a few seconds and nobody had any idea of what had happened. They were dead almost instantly, which is merciful.
@@hebneh - The temperature is survivable but at that height the instant decompression of the fuselage meant their lungs suffered barotrauma as in exploded when the air instantly expanded faster than could be released.
@@PabloGonzalez-hv3tdThe temperature was probably -40degrees at 35000feet they were instantly dead no pane whatsoever.
Is the DHL supposed to be a Boeing 757?
They made a movie about this with Arnold it’s called aftermath on Netflix good movie!
0:13 WTF, It's Even The Cockpit Of The 757F, Or Is The Same Cockpit Of The Tupolev TU154?
I guess the highest odds for the DHL flight not to collide were by remaining to fly at the same altitude . They should have known that the Bashkirian plane got a TCAS instruction to climb and the instruction from the air traffic controller to descent, so probably the Bashkirian flight would do either of these options. Thus, the savest thing for the DHL would be to neither climb nor descent.
BarisStGermain Incorrect. The responsibility for keeping IFR traffic separated lies on the controller. He must keep them away from each other. The TCAS is there for emergency purposes, basically. The controller cannot tell whether the TCAS on an aircraft will tell it to climb or to descend; he couldn't do anything about it. He could and should have issued climb/descend orders to *both* planes, and not only one, though.
That 757 model and the cockpit looks interesting.
0:14 Why The 757 Built Like That😂
They didn't even try to model it😂
was this recorded with a muffler?
I life near Überlingen! (Friedrichshafen)
Passenger: "Siri, turn on and connect to the wifi"
Siri: "Which one?"
this DHL 757 plane looks like a twinjet DC-8
Dercio Soares agree
So often it's about communication - or the lack of it. In this case, not between ATC and the pilots but between the maintenance arm of ATC and the on-duty controllers. But probably it goes even further back than that. Were there protocols governing information-sharing during systems maintenance? If not, why not? On the technical side, ATC needs redundancy - back-up systems - no less than airplanes. It's just as critical. Hopefully the lessons have been learnt and fail-safe procedures introduced world-wide . . .
When somebody you know says "i wanna be a pilot"
Me:😲No...
midair collison has a chance of finding a kraken, it will NOT happen averagely 3 years.
Machine isnt always right. Check out Aeroperú Flight 603. Air data computers were unable to show correct airspeed and altitude on cockpit displays, because a maintenance worker had failed to remove tape covering the static ports on the aircraft exterior.
Whole different reason
@@spongebubatz what do u mean? They followed the system and they crashed. We can't fully trust it.
@@christinagaller4374 the Aeroperu crash happened as the pitot tubes were covered which as a result shows wrong data. The crash at Überlingen wasn’t due to a technical failure or wrong input but miscommunication and too much work for the single ATC controller!
does everyone know most of the bashkirian airlines passanger are childs? and at the first clip it was the one of the victim's dad and he kill the atc controller. damn
This vid's narrative is unforgivably confusing in its entirety, but the references to ATC's systems being in "backup mode" are prime examples. They were down because they were being backed up? Or the backup was engaged while other systems were being backed up? "The backup system has a fault." (1:59) WTF does that mean? The whole narrative about "backup mode" is exasperatingly unclear and seems deliberately worded to minimize Nielsen's role. Guess I'll need to view other vids to fill in the gaps.
2:30 "faster than the speed of sound"??? What. I know planes like the Concorde can do that, but at way higher altitudes. Sloppy narrative makes the whole thing sound like a joke.
Probably meant about the relative velocities of the aircraft.
He meant the combined speeds of both planes closing in on each other
Heard about this aviation catastrophe on Casefile True Crime podcast Case 106 parts 1 and 2 on Spotify. The story is being told in great detail, much recommended to listen to.
Why am i watching this, im at an airport
12345678910 your comment is me, every freaking time
The audio on this video is so low, can barely hear it.
40 seconds to notice there in the air space together RIDICULOUS he practically killed all the people in this crash unbelievable
It was an accident. It wasn't his fault. How could he have known what TCAS was telling them? He was doing what he was trained to do.
Also there were a series of malfunctions that were out of his control
Keira Wilson I wonder if the other air traffic controller stayed in front of the monitor Instead of going on a break would that have changed anything.
Keira Wilson wrong actually
Keira Wilson There's more to it. He was working two stations alone. The radar system was a different, older backup one, not the one he was accustomed to. The stations early collision warning alarm system had been shut off without his knowledge. He worked for a private (evidently crappy) company that was obviously cutting corners. Russian pilots are notorious for just doing whatever they feel like. And he was murdered for these things (and his own culpability).
can you please upload again? it's been a long time, and you'd do good again.
The crash is different to the one in ACI (Air Crash Investigation).
Every Time there is a catastrophe like that, thats always the guys on the guys on the bottom who get screwed, while the true responsible, on the top, get absolutely nothing. How the hell can someome manage all that airfield alone with almost half his instruments broken or cut off ? That was a catastrophe waiting to happen