Actually, the reason that Ravel scored this solo for tuba is quite simply that the instrument used in France at the time was a six-valved bass saxhorn pitched in C, which is very similar to the euphonium. The standard orchestral tubas in F and CC which are now universal, are much larger instruments. That being the case, most orchestral tuba players will use a euphonium or the bass trombonist will double on euphonium.
Yes true, the single C french tuba was the horn that was designed to play that solo. I would not say most players use a euphonium to play it, a good majority of players still like playing it on F tuba. But there are lazy tuba players who pawn the part off to the associate principal trombonist to play it on euphonium.
I had to look to tell it was a tuba.. I SWORE that was a Euphonium.. Excellent tone and beautiful expression.. I will really have to work to make my tuba and even Euphonium playing that beautiful.. BRAVO!
I am actually a tuba player myself. And you are correct, he is playing an F bass tuba, and a CC contrabass tuba for the rest of the movements. This Bydlo solo was actually written for a bass tuba (either Eb or F) But, some people play it on a Baritone/Euphonium. Personally, I think it sounds better on tuba.
If I’m correct, it was written for the French Tubs in C, a six valved saxhorn a wholestep above the euphonium. The instrument uses a tuba mouthpiece with a euphonium shank. Here is a link to one you can preorder wessex-tubas.com/collections/euphonium-and-baritones/products/french-c-tuba-tc236.
@mihanich Because that was the name of the painting by Hartmann from which Mussorsky drew his inspiration. It depicts an old wooden ox cart with a peasant driving it and singing this "song" to the ox to keep it moving.
Grande brano di un genio. "BYDLO" Io sono lo spirito indomito e stanco di quel robivecchi; ossa ambulanti di legno marcito. E un cuore di carne... racchiuso. (Ermanno Bartoli - 2001) Dalla silloge di poesie "Quadri da un'esposizione" dedicata al grande Mussorgskij.
Solo originally scored/played by a French C Tenor tuba. One step up from a Bb Euphonium. Soooo, most play on the Euphonium. If you have good chops, you can play on a tuba. Actually quite easy on a F tuba if you have the chops. This tuba player was great. The Chicago Symphony uses a Euphonium. End of Story. TH-cam Chicago Symphony for Pictures at an Ex.
Wow! that was amazing, it was beautiful all around. I could only dream of playing it that cleanly and expressively. You have given me a new height by which to pursue my F tuba playing.
Im so sad that music like this is dying it so good and makes you feel so emotional based of the sounds and rhythm, and now we have something like rap which is a mix of music and poetry with majority of poetry that is called music even though it basically isnt. While we have this which was thought and made over Months of working on it and people just dont see it because its seen as un cool and un popular and so old. That this musically peace will never be heard in over 30 to 40 of years or the next generation. It sucks to see pop music that use 3 chords and a person who was born good with a good voice get millions and billions of views but this get only a couple of thousands.
Yes, the sound is very good indeed - and it's beautifully played!!! However, my understanding is that the French tuba of those days when Ravel lived was a small 8'-C instrument much like an Euphonium, except that it had 6 valves (1 would lower the instrument a perfect-4th, another a perfect-5th) - which is why parts using it in French and Russian music tend towards the higher side, avoiding anything below contrabass-G although it's capable of going down to contrabass-D or D-flat.
@mihanich, you are exactly correct on the movement depicting a trudging ox. In fact, that is why it makes more musical sense to use the timbre of the Tuba on the solo vs the Euphonium. The Euphonium is just too bright in my opinion and in order to capture this scene to the fullest you really need to play it on an Eb Tuba or in the very least an F Tuba. Although I believe that Arnold Jacobs once played this on a C Tuba with the Chicago Symphony.
@mihanich "Bydlo" is cattle. Pretty much. I've heard this movement described as an ox trudging through town. As it draws closer, it's despair becomes all the more apparent and then it passes you and trudges off to the horizon on whatever errand it's being led to do. The painting this is based on is very vague. I don't really see an ox in it but there are lot s of people on an old village street. Interestingly, "Bydlo" is also slang for "common folks" or poor, uneducated people.
it feels like the tubist moves a bit slow off the sixteenth notes in his solo, and his B natural was kind of off, but overall sounds great... we recently played this with a euphonium playing the solo in a band arrangement, and he really moves pretty smoothly in that register...
questo pezzo è incredibilmente orchestrato... da Ravel... che sceglie l'unico strumento che può rappresentare questo clima espressivo... rispecchiando cio che mussorgsky voleva , un clima tipicaente russo, severo,crudo....
Me: What instrument is making that sound? Also me when the camera zooms out revealing the tuba: Wait, what?! How can a tuba play that high?! (needless to say, I was beyond surprised)
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Como o destino carregando a morte e a punição por ter sido humano, vêm os momentos de dor e angústia num desfile ante todas as criaturas celestiais... O dom supremo de errar e sucumbir sem a chance de salvação.
@draculauploader: I know what you mean - obviously this is taken from a TV broadcast. Traditionally TV sound is loathsome!!! However, it doesn't impede things severely enough to the point of preventing somebody from hearing this exceptional solo-tubist make his mark!! While I personally could have wished for a somewhat slower tempo (not too much, but a bit), this is definitely 5/5 beyond all doubt!! Bravo to Signor Fossi, the rest of the orchestra and Gospodjín Gjérgijev!!
@AMarin: Not bad for an expression in Latin. As an organist, I thought this might be best likened (aside from the volume of the stop I have in mind!) to a "Tuba Mirabilis"!! Another question to you tubists: I remember reading somewhere that the small-C French Tuba is basically an euphonium (construction-wise), only that instead of 3 it has 6 valves (2 of which combine to lower the instrument by a full octave or more). Is that correct? Also, would the lips be too tense if a CC was used?
@hectorfprez: 1) the word "tuba" is international - you don't need to think of changing it for any reason. [English is not a language that has much to do with declensions.] 2) Yes, I know about the (6-valve) 8'-C French tuba being what French orchestras used up through the time of World War II - apparently the BB/CC (18'-B-flat/ 16'-C) contrabass-tuba has become (or at least IS becoming) standard world-wide, with the 12'-F being used for high-lying parts. [I'm but a layman in this regard.]
For the nerds that haven't given as much thought to this as they should, consider this. For CC Tuba, the high note is the G# above 12th partial G. Gonna nail that multiple times without clamming or being hideously out of tune? Maybe. Gonna regret playing that high 4 movements into a 10 movement suite and not even get doubler's pay? Yes.
After the tubist has finished his last solo (after the climax), I really like how that Hornist plays his muted 5 notes - lovely tone quality!! One question regarding the tubist (and I'm not one at all!): apparently people agree that he's using an F bass-tuba. In some of those pictures it seems as if another tuba is next to him sitting on the floor upside-down. Am I correct - and if yes, would that likely be a CC/BBb contrabass-tuba?
It was actually written for piano... When Ravel arranged it, this solo was written for the six-valved French tuba in C. (a whole-step higher than the modern euphonium) In terms of accuracy, it should be played on that instrument, which is rare and expensive, or a euphonium via the bass trombonist. I, however, prefer it on bass tuba. It's an ox cart for Christ's sake...
its because it IS a french horn!!! no just kidding. I agree though when he can make it sound like a french horn thats awesome. The french horn was my first instrument and my favorite sound in all of the orchestra.
Sure! In no particular order: violin, viola, cello, bass, clarinet, flute, oboe, bassoon, horn, trumpet, trombone, Tuba, bass drum, timpani, snare drum, harp, Valerie Gergiev (he grunts when he conducts). Same as most any orchestra.
@@mohdhaziqdanish3971 Not at all. The January Uprising was a great movement against Russian imperialism. Russia, along with Germany, and Austria not only partitioned Poland in 1772 (much larger than today), but also enslaved other countries, from Hungary to distant Siberia. People of different convictions fought here, Poles, Italians, French and even Russians who deserted the tsarist army. The January Uprising is another upheaval of people who were murdered, their language, culture and faith were destroyed. As a result, many soldiers were killed or sent to Siberia on foot or in kibitki (closed small prison vagons). This is what Mussorgsky depicted. Although this uprising collapsed, reverence for the veterans created an extraordinary Polish patriotism, which in 1918 allowed many countries to regain independence. As a result, Poles, with the aid of Hungary and other countries, were able to resist Moscow's 1920 plans to conquer the entire world. It was then that one of the most important battles in the history of the whole world took place, the so-called "Miracle on the Vistula".
@@doppler999999 Pardon me Sir. Are you a Polish? Im very inspired by this piece as an Asian. I can say that this is the best part of one of the best piece in the world by Mussorgsky.
Guys, yes, he did a very good job on this solo. But all of you saying this is hard, I personally don't think this lies that high for a F tuba. I mean, I can play it on my C tuba perfectly fine, but of course Fossi is much better than I am. It is an amazing solo, but not a very challenging one technically.
I think the challenging aspect of this solo is that it's not technical. If the solo were technically challenging it would be much easier to hide your mistakes to an audience. When its drawn out like this, if you make one error even the most musically challenged listener would notice. It would be akin to a guitarist screwing up any of the solos in Comfortably Numb by Pink Floyd. Musicians worry about what other musicians think quite too often when it's the audience you have to please.
Mussorgsky originally wrote the solo for string bass, but you know them....give them a melody and they go into nervous shock. During the first rehearsal the bassoonist, having become disguisted with the bass soloists lack of reading ability, tried to play it himself. Mussorgsky fired the bassoonist for thinking anybody would want to listen to him. He then turned to the tubist and said, "You! Play it." The tubist did as asked and the rest is history.
@ShakaUVM: Not the opening measure of the piece itself - rather, the tubist, Signor Alessandro Fossi was a bit slow right after his entry, sad to say. Once past the first four or so bars of his solo, he was fine and really up to making his instrument SING!!!
This is such a fantastic piece of music.
+Daniel Plainview , Mussorgsky foi ao Céu e ao Inferno e voltou com suas chaves em forma de som.
AMEN TO THAT!!!
Actually, the reason that Ravel scored this solo for tuba is quite simply that the instrument used in France at the time was a six-valved bass saxhorn pitched in C, which is very similar to the euphonium. The standard orchestral tubas in F and CC which are now universal, are much larger instruments. That being the case, most orchestral tuba players will use a euphonium or the bass trombonist will double on euphonium.
It sounds better on an f tuba as shown in the video
Ramlield the man
If only he could play in tune.
I had to play this on an Eb tuba, it was rough but doable
Yes true, the single C french tuba was the horn that was designed to play that solo.
I would not say most players use a euphonium to play it, a good majority of players still like playing it on F tuba.
But there are lazy tuba players who pawn the part off to the associate principal trombonist to play it on euphonium.
Awesome factoid! Thx
Best Bydlo I've ever heard.
That solo is amazing , he play´s it perfect !! respect :)
I had to look to tell it was a tuba.. I SWORE that was a Euphonium.. Excellent tone and beautiful expression.. I will really have to work to make my tuba and even Euphonium playing that beautiful.. BRAVO!
Damn that tuba player's got balls
Girthologist Gaming lol.
BRAVISSIMO Alessandro Fossi !!! GRANDE SOLO !!!
impressionante, se non lo vedi che è un tuba non ci credi e pensi che sia un euphonium....fuori di testa..
One of the very few times I have heard that solo on a tuba with the high notes sounding good and not tense...
F Tuba. Amazing notes.
I know, i was looking for a euphonium the whole time. Turns out, that tuba player’s just a boss.
I'LL NEVER GET OVER HOW AWESOME THIS PIECE IS
Damn, this is nice.. Live and everything. No retakes. Nothing. Just flat out amazing..
Wow, the tuba sounds so beautiful!
It sounds like a French Horn to my ears.
This is the best piece to play in deep depression. You stay in bed for weeks.
Im sorry but I disagree. You will rise from depression when listening to this.
@@mohdhaziqdanish3971 Yes!
This is great revenge plotting music
I hear this song when i go to sleep
THIS IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL THING I HAVE EVER HEARD THANK U MARK!
Who's Mark?
Idk
I am actually a tuba player myself. And you are correct, he is playing an F bass tuba, and a CC contrabass tuba for the rest of the movements. This Bydlo solo was actually written for a bass tuba (either Eb or F) But, some people play it on a Baritone/Euphonium. Personally, I think it sounds better on tuba.
If I’m correct, it was written for the French Tubs in C, a six valved saxhorn a wholestep above the euphonium. The instrument uses a tuba mouthpiece with a euphonium shank. Here is a link to one you can preorder wessex-tubas.com/collections/euphonium-and-baritones/products/french-c-tuba-tc236.
That italian subtitle suddenly made me feel at home. Uè mamma mia!
I was lucky enough to play this solo (however on the bass, it was a string orchestra version) and it was amazing
@mihanich Because that was the name of the painting by Hartmann from which Mussorsky drew his inspiration. It depicts an old wooden ox cart with a peasant driving it and singing this "song" to the ox to keep it moving.
Я запомню эту мелодию на всю оставшуюся жизнь
I remember this melody for the rest of my life
Complimenti di cuore sei grande
Grande brano di un genio.
"BYDLO"
Io sono
lo spirito
indomito
e stanco
di quel
robivecchi;
ossa
ambulanti
di legno marcito.
E un cuore di carne...
racchiuso.
(Ermanno Bartoli - 2001)
Dalla silloge di poesie "Quadri da un'esposizione" dedicata al grande Mussorgskij.
Bravo bravo 👏 👏
Solo originally scored/played by a French C Tenor tuba. One step up from a Bb Euphonium. Soooo, most play on the Euphonium. If you have good chops, you can play on a tuba. Actually quite easy on a F tuba if you have the chops. This tuba player was great. The Chicago Symphony uses a Euphonium. End of Story. TH-cam Chicago Symphony for Pictures at an Ex.
WestCoastDP they didn't when Jacobs was there
theres actually a recording of jacobs playing it on C
togna bologna wow didn't know that. I can't afford a high tuba so all I gotta do is be as good as Arnold Jacobs lol
Coleman Alexander lol you better get practicing!
@@MrTomafalcon that's the ballsiest thing I've ever heard. Right up there with Gene Pokorny doing Vaughan Williams on the 6/4 york.
Sinceri complimenti per la tua bravura e per la stupenda interpretazione
Gianni
e che dire sempre grandissimo......
il nostro Alessandro
Najlepsza część "Obrazków..." + Promenada
sei persone che non conoscono la tuba e le sue potenzialità! Grandissimi Maestro, come sempre...
So beautiful
Grandissimo Alessandro Fossi
Bravissimo Alessandro, perfect
im playing this in band its awesome
Now this tuba sounds very much like a french horn! I love this extremely rare playing!
We are doing this for my orchestra teachers graduation it is gonna be epic!
Amazing Piece of Music
wow felicidades muy buen trabajo.......
AMAZING! TUBA!!! Are u serious? Wow, Yes, they are serious.
i tried playing this on an E flat tuba when i was in school. got it done but had a wicked headache after.
Bravissimi, suonate con grande professionalità. ********
Une magnifique interprétation même si elle étonne au début par la lenteur du tempo.
Wow! that was amazing, it was beautiful all around. I could only dream of playing it that cleanly and expressively. You have given me a new height by which to pursue my F tuba playing.
Im so sad that music like this is dying it so good and makes you feel so emotional based of the sounds and rhythm, and now we have something like rap which is a mix of music and poetry with majority of poetry that is called music even though it basically isnt. While we have this which was thought and made over Months of working on it and people just dont see it because its seen as un cool and un popular and so old. That this musically peace will never be heard in over 30 to 40 of years or the next generation. It sucks to see pop music that use 3 chords and a person who was born good with a good voice get millions and billions of views but this get only a couple of thousands.
Super, bravo Fossi
Andrei Gavrilov "Pictures at an exhibition", new cd 2018
The tuba sounds like an ox lumbering up a track, pulling the cart behind it. Beautifully played.
Hi. Is there a way I can get the full Suite conducted by Gergiev? I want to hear the whole performance.
Yes, the sound is very good indeed - and it's beautifully played!!!
However, my understanding is that the French tuba of those days when Ravel lived was a small 8'-C instrument much like an Euphonium, except that it had 6 valves (1 would lower the instrument a perfect-4th, another a perfect-5th) - which is why parts using it in French and Russian music tend towards the higher side, avoiding anything below contrabass-G although it's capable of going down to contrabass-D or D-flat.
very good
He plays REALLY many Bordogni´s etudes :))
Great tuba soloist!
Bravo, beautiful - and on a big tuba! I've heard of everything from euphonium to even Wagner Tube!
@justinhickmott Yes, both of you are right. It is a F-tuba B&S 5100W (PT16)
@mihanich, you are exactly correct on the movement depicting a trudging ox. In fact, that is why it makes more musical sense to use the timbre of the Tuba on the solo vs the Euphonium. The Euphonium is just too bright in my opinion and in order to capture this scene to the fullest you really need to play it on an Eb Tuba or in the very least an F Tuba. Although I believe that Arnold Jacobs once played this on a C Tuba with the Chicago Symphony.
Genial!
@mihanich "Bydlo" is cattle. Pretty much. I've heard this movement described as an ox trudging through town. As it draws closer, it's despair becomes all the more apparent and then it passes you and trudges off to the horizon on whatever errand it's being led to do.
The painting this is based on is very vague. I don't really see an ox in it but there are lot s of people on an old village street. Interestingly, "Bydlo" is also slang for "common folks" or poor, uneducated people.
@LJBSasha You are right! In the others pictures he plays a CC tuba
it feels like the tubist moves a bit slow off the sixteenth notes in his solo, and his B natural was kind of off, but overall sounds great... we recently played this with a euphonium playing the solo in a band arrangement, and he really moves pretty smoothly in that register...
THAT is how it's done, ladies and gentlemen.
@tubaiscool That is a B&S F-tuba
fossi has amazing tone...
my teacher made us listen to this.
Same
questo pezzo è incredibilmente orchestrato... da Ravel... che sceglie l'unico strumento che può rappresentare questo clima espressivo... rispecchiando cio che mussorgsky voleva , un clima tipicaente russo, severo,crudo....
Me: What instrument is making that sound?
Also me when the camera zooms out revealing the tuba: Wait, what?! How can a tuba play that high?! (needless to say, I was beyond surprised)
Como o destino carregando a morte e a punição por ter sido humano, vêm os momentos de dor e angústia num desfile ante todas as criaturas celestiais... O dom supremo de errar e sucumbir sem a chance de salvação.
perfect
ani skyguy
,
@draculauploader: I know what you mean - obviously this is taken from a TV broadcast. Traditionally TV sound is loathsome!!! However, it doesn't impede things severely enough to the point of preventing somebody from hearing this exceptional solo-tubist make his mark!!
While I personally could have wished for a somewhat slower tempo (not too much, but a bit), this is definitely 5/5 beyond all doubt!! Bravo to Signor Fossi, the rest of the orchestra and Gospodjín Gjérgijev!!
I second this.
@AMarin: Not bad for an expression in Latin. As an organist, I thought this might be best likened (aside from the volume of the stop I have in mind!) to a "Tuba Mirabilis"!!
Another question to you tubists: I remember reading somewhere that the small-C French Tuba is basically an euphonium (construction-wise), only that instead of 3 it has 6 valves (2 of which combine to lower the instrument by a full octave or more). Is that correct? Also, would the lips be too tense if a CC was used?
Bravo!
@hectorfprez: 1) the word "tuba" is international - you don't need to think of changing it for any reason. [English is not a language that has much to do with declensions.]
2) Yes, I know about the (6-valve) 8'-C French tuba being what French orchestras used up through the time of World War II - apparently the BB/CC (18'-B-flat/ 16'-C) contrabass-tuba has become (or at least IS becoming) standard world-wide, with the 12'-F being used for high-lying parts. [I'm but a layman in this regard.]
perfect tuba :P
For the nerds that haven't given as much thought to this as they should, consider this. For CC Tuba, the high note is the G# above 12th partial G. Gonna nail that multiple times without clamming or being hideously out of tune? Maybe. Gonna regret playing that high 4 movements into a 10 movement suite and not even get doubler's pay? Yes.
"-on my InternationaL Harvesssterrrr!"
Wow beautiful solo, Fossi did great!
Look. Gergiev with a baton and not a toothpick
🥰🥰😍😍
After the tubist has finished his last solo (after the climax), I really like how that Hornist plays his muted 5 notes - lovely tone quality!!
One question regarding the tubist (and I'm not one at all!): apparently people agree that he's using an F bass-tuba. In some of those pictures it seems as if another tuba is next to him sitting on the floor upside-down. Am I correct - and if yes, would that likely be a CC/BBb contrabass-tuba?
Yes, that would likely be the big CC tuba he used to play the rest of the program.
It was actually written for piano...
When Ravel arranged it, this solo was written for the six-valved French tuba in C. (a whole-step higher than the modern euphonium)
In terms of accuracy, it should be played on that instrument, which is rare and expensive, or a euphonium via the bass trombonist. I, however, prefer it on bass tuba. It's an ox cart for Christ's sake...
its because it IS a french horn!!! no just kidding. I agree though when he can make it sound like a french horn thats awesome. The french horn was my first instrument and my favorite sound in all of the orchestra.
EXCELLENT PERFORMANCE AT 00:48 THANKS FOR VIDEO....JITEN PATEL INDIA jzpatelut...
А как зовут тубиста?
Alessandro Fossi
Hello from music lesson. Bchs
Could anyone list the instruments being played in this orchestra for me? Thank you
Sure! In no particular order: violin, viola, cello, bass, clarinet, flute, oboe, bassoon, horn, trumpet, trombone, Tuba, bass drum, timpani, snare drum, harp, Valerie Gergiev (he grunts when he conducts). Same as most any orchestra.
why is it called "bydlo"?
It means cattle
This reminds me of a soap opera. I like it.
Not many knows, that M. Mussorgsky made this piece, to honore Polish January Uprisers (1863) forced like cattle in shackles to Siberia
Is it kinda socialist movement?
@@mohdhaziqdanish3971 Not at all. The January Uprising was a great movement against Russian imperialism. Russia, along with Germany, and Austria not only partitioned Poland in 1772 (much larger than today), but also enslaved other countries, from Hungary to distant Siberia. People of different convictions fought here, Poles, Italians, French and even Russians who deserted the tsarist army. The January Uprising is another upheaval of people who were murdered, their language, culture and faith were destroyed. As a result, many soldiers were killed or sent to Siberia on foot or in kibitki (closed small prison vagons). This is what Mussorgsky depicted. Although this uprising collapsed, reverence for the veterans created an extraordinary Polish patriotism, which in 1918 allowed many countries to regain independence. As a result, Poles, with the aid of Hungary and other countries, were able to resist Moscow's 1920 plans to conquer the entire world. It was then that one of the most important battles in the history of the whole world took place, the so-called "Miracle on the Vistula".
@@doppler999999 Pardon me Sir. Are you a Polish? Im very inspired by this piece as an Asian. I can say that this is the best part of one of the best piece in the world by Mussorgsky.
A great version of one of my favorite songs... the opening measure seems to be a bit of a train wreck, though.
Or I`m not right, I think the vibrato of the first part of the first violins is a little bit too much.
Guys, yes, he did a very good job on this solo. But all of you saying this is hard, I personally don't think this lies that high for a F tuba. I mean, I can play it on my C tuba perfectly fine, but of course Fossi is much better than I am. It is an amazing solo, but not a very challenging one technically.
I think the challenging aspect of this solo is that it's not technical. If the solo were technically challenging it would be much easier to hide your mistakes to an audience. When its drawn out like this, if you make one error even the most musically challenged listener would notice. It would be akin to a guitarist screwing up any of the solos in Comfortably Numb by Pink Floyd. Musicians worry about what other musicians think quite too often when it's the audience you have to please.
His high G# is beautiful
Mussorgsky originally wrote the solo for string bass, but you know them....give them a melody and they go into nervous shock. During the first rehearsal the bassoonist, having become disguisted with the bass soloists lack of reading ability, tried to play it himself. Mussorgsky fired the bassoonist for thinking anybody would want to listen to him. He then turned to the tubist and said, "You! Play it." The tubist did as asked and the rest is history.
Cool story, where you get this from?
This would sound good in a French horn
Dennis.
Normasique.
Oh, tuba mirum!
YES BEST Byldo indeed !!!! Thanks KUMAR JITENDRA Z. PATEL INDIA jzpatelut...
this reminds me of my fat music teacher
Excellent solo on the F Tuba
@ReminiscinginTempo PT16
@ShakaUVM: Not the opening measure of the piece itself - rather, the tubist, Signor Alessandro Fossi was a bit slow right after his entry, sad to say. Once past the first four or so bars of his solo, he was fine and really up to making his instrument SING!!!
Very nice :)