Soundbar KILLER. Klipsch R51PM Speaker review ! I like it better than Klipsch RP600m
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- a soundbar replacement? much more than that ! I like it better than Klipsch RP600m !
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Would you prefer this over the klipsch Cinema 600 soundbar? About to buy and ur input wil be greatly aprec8ted
Can you read?
I wanted these R-51PM speakers for my TV, but they're constantly out of stock. I bought the Swan M300, instead. Another stellar review, mate!
I believe you’re reviewing the R-51PM, not the R-51M. The R-51M is a passive speaker selling for about $230US a pair right now.
That’s because it’s bullshit the way these manufacturers make it difficult to differentiate their products. I just ordered the R51PM or I could have gotten the R15PM. I had to learn the difference. It’s so easy to accidentally order the wrong speakers
@@whatarefriends4 why is it difficult? 2 of the same speakers. R-51M and R-51PM (P=Power Version) pretty simple actually
@@whatarefriends4 its not thard
I was sold on the subwoofer output. Adding a sub took it to another level.
During lockdown my 11 yr old daughter told me she wanted a record player. That was music to my ears and I bought her (or me) a project turntable with the r-51pm. I also bought the same set up for my nephew as a college graduation gift. Really good sounding speakers.
Where do i get an uncle like you? Sounds like my kind of graduation gift haha
Just grabbed these off amazon for 297 shipped 😮😊
I have these and I think they're really good overall. If you sit too close you can hear that there is some very slight hiss when music isn't playing though (due to the built in amp I think), they have very impressive bass response but won't quite hit the very deepest of the deep, and I tend to bump the midrange and treble up just a tad with DSP, it just gives them some clarity and presence that I think they lack a bit naturally. Then they really sing.
Is the audio going into your pair via analog, USB, or optical?
@@TheDarius1968 I run them through a DAC, the Pro-Ject Pre-Box S2 Digital. So it goes (PC) USB into DAC, analog RCA from DAC to speakers. And they're used in Phono mode. And I listen from Tidal mostly (through Roon).
@@rsolsjo Thanks for your reply! Why are the speakers in phono-mode? Isn't the stereo-RCA-output from the DAC considered as a line-level sognal?
Sorry, bad phrasing on my part. It's line, I just meant using the RCA output.
@@rsolsjo Have you actually compared the difference in fidelity - deciding analog input is better - between the RCA line-level input into these speakers vs. its built-in DAC?
Next video: Klipsch R-51PM vs PSB AM5 vs SVS Prime wireless ? 😋
I will always recommend speakers over a soundbar any day. Sound bars are evil!
i like my goldenear 3d array. definitely an atypical speaker bar, being passive - but it's wide enough to have a decent stereo separation (plus polk's SDA crosstalk cancellation) and the drivers and tuning are all of very high quality - with ribbon tweeters even.
i run it full range (large) and have manually tweaked the audyssey configuration to boost the bass quite a bit. it handles it like a champ, and needs it (being a fairly small sealed enclosure) in order to hand off to my sub at a low enough crossover freq so that i can't localize the midbass coming from the wrong direction
My friend came to me recently wanting a cheap audio solution for his tv. I suggested smsl amp and some pioneer speakers with a Polk sub. Of course, he bought a sound bar. Then brags about how it sounds as good as my system. Lol
@@bigdallyc from my experience you can get pretty decent sound from a soundbar + sub for a fair price, but I have never ben amazed to the same lvl as a good sett of speakers have.
My point is, I can understand that some people can be happily satisfied whit a soundbar, but you can never convince me that a soundbar in the same price range will outperform a proper speaker!
@@etji1 As long as we're moving up and we're happy, it's all good.
Interesting review. I just downsized my av system using to Triangle Bro2 speakers and their center channel. Sounds great. Reasonable cost and a small footprint. I guess a pair of Triangle Bro 2 speakers and a small amp like the Burson would also sound pretty good in near field.
I have a pair of R-51PM since August last year. I've switched Dynamic Bass Extension (DBE) on and adjusted it at 55/80 clicks. I paired it with Elac Debut 2.0 s10 subwoofer. I adjusted subwoofer's crossover frequency around 68Hz (4 clicks) ad volume set to 2 o'clock. I tried several combinations on DBE, crossover frequency and subwwofer volume. I found this is y cup of tea. My listen room size is about 200ft2.
Wow, another great review! Thank you for sharing your knowledge and expertise! Love it.
Thanks for the post so well articulated.
Kanto YU6 and their sub8 is an excellent choice
Are they better than these?
Genius title. This is the dream of every old school audiophile. Just brilliant.
Is it still relevant for 2023? How if it’s compared with Elac connex dcb41?
I would love to hear Your opinion about The Fives from Klipsch, and then a comparison with the R51PM :)
I second this!!
For me it’s between these, The Fives, Vanatoo T1Es, and Kanto TUKs. I can’t decide 😖
@@MaestroMvn T1E is a good addition to the comparison above, should have mentioned it :)
who likes soundbars anyways?
normies: I love my long BT speaker
Jay. You should try the Klipsch Pro Media 2.1 THX for desk top. They are $300.00 on Amazon but go on sale for $200.00 (here in Canada). $99.00 in the U.S.!!
These are coming in a few days, very excited. Got tired of my shit tv speakers
I see less to no use of a remote on a desktop/nearfield setup. I'm more speaking of the Burson Funk, so no complaints about not having a remote. Even my RME's MRC for the ADI-2 DAC FS, which is the only remote on my desktop, is seldom used.
I love how klipsch speakers never gets compared to speakers in the same price range xD I understand why, just love the fact!
Hi Jay
Put the same diameter wiring onto the Klipsch R51PM which runs inside your wall.
You will get the biggest surprise of your life.
That is now awesome.
You won't believe what you are going to hear.
Best regards Hermann Maischatz from AVT AUDIO NAMIBIA 🇳🇦
Tech is so expensive where I live that a set of the R-51PM cost me about 700 bucks, and there arent many other powered bookshelf or just powered speakers in general you can get here.
I am currently using the Presonus Eris E3.5 which in Denmark cost exactly 1/10th of these, so im hoping for at least twice the performance.
I will hopefully receive them soon rather than later.
Not a horn..that is a “horn styled” wave guide as are the rp600m’s ..and that’s not a “compression driver” just pointed that out Jay love your vids tho man
Horns and waveguides are TWO different things, with TWO different purposes. They appear deceptively similar but they function differently.
If it doesn't have a HDMI in then it isn't a soundbar killer... unless you are ok with using two remotes. With HDMI and ARC you can control the volume of the speakers using the TV remote. With optical out on a TV you usually can't. Klipsch The Fives has hdmi but cost more, but also look better visually and the volume knob is in a more convenient location on the top instead of the back.
I have a pair of r51 pm speakers, and i can control the speaker volume with the tv controller and its connected by optical
What’s the difference between the 50pm and the 51pm? I can’t seem to figure out the difference anywhere.
Would you still recommend in 2024 with a single turntable setup 🎵?
Soundbars are not great for music listening, but they are good for TV + movies due to having Dolby Atmos!
Perhaps this comment comes too late (I just found this video now). I know that you have good ears, young man, but speaking for myself, my hearing is 15 dB down from 2.5 kHz. You impress me with a good understanding of sound and knowledge. kudos. I'm 51 and my doctor says my hearing is just about 'normal'. So, maybe this a message for (possibly) us 'older' guys. It might be of benefit for you (and for us 'older' gents) if you could somehow take age and normal hearing loss into consideration when making points of brightness in relation to recommendations. Saying that, I can hear sibilance despite my my minimal hearing loss (maybe that's something worth explaining how it's possible). Keep up the good work!
Hi I'm pete tong
Use 51s with my old Technics 1600mk2 turntable, also with Technics PD9 CD player . Sit 6 ft away
Your title says R51PM , but you always mentioning in your video the R51M !!! Your editing skills is very nice and overall great review
Seems like the biggest competitor to these is The Fives
The fives are an incredible speaker worth the 800.00 tag all day long.
Not fatiguing and miles of miles dynamics sounds good with just about any type of music. VERY LOUD SPEAKER.
Hi Jay , will you please help me out , thanks . I couple of months ago I bought the Klipsch R-15 PM `s and they sounded great for about 2 weeks , then they failed . While they were working , I was pleased with the sound.
I am considering the Klipsch R-51PM , because I have read about the change in the amplifier and other minor improvements , like the bass extension and the updated remote. Can you please let me know if my failure was an isolated incident , or have you found powered monitor failure quite often ? Thanks for the video , take care, Dreamer
Isn't the more obvious comparison between the LS50 Meta sans sub? If not, why not compare the Klipsch with an appropriate sub? I mean, of course it has less bass without a sub than the Kef has with one....
Shaun and Steve Gutenberg really rated the passives. Joe and tell did a good review of the six's. What more can you ask, the six's have more going for them for this use but how much do you want to spend.
Bought the Sixes used for 350 bucks. They effen rock, listening to Metallica's Eye of the Beholder as I type this. Super happy because I would have bought the 51pm if I hadn't looked on ebay
Do you prefer the metas or the focal shape in the nearfield setup?
I can't decide between these to save a little money or go all out and get the 5 fives.
Didn’t like the 600 m , I actually sold them 3 days after buying them
Can I add to external receiver if I want to? will that will give better audio?
Went ahead and bought these today based on this review and my prior experiences with klipsch as a brand. They are going in a small room for watching movies. Will the amp in these power the klipsch 100sw if i decide i want to add a sub later?
The subwoofer is active, so it will work fine.
Why didn't you compare them with the five's?
great review. Obvious you know this space
I really enjoy your reviews! Keep going :) One question... Looking for a desktop setup, do you think these are better (in terms of sound quality) than the Adam Audio T5v you reviewed?
I compared them in the video ! both are great. choose your poison !
@@Jayiyagi Sorry, my bad. I missed that moment where you moved on to Adam, after talking about the JBL. Just re-watched the video and now I got it. Thanks! Here in Germany, the Klipschs are 450€ while the Adams are 320€ and having 5 years of warranty. As I also have a Topping E30 with remote which I could use as "pre amp" for the Adams, I guess I will try these first.
Btw, did you hear any tweeter hiss with the Adam, when using them near field?
@@Tho76mas very few active speakers are without a bit of a hiss
Coming in late to the conversation. I bought these last year for my entry level turntable setup and added a Klipsch 8" sub. Pretty good deal overall for the price and in my small room. For entry level it is perfect. Turntable, speakers, and sub. No mess or fuss. The phone amp and sub out are great selling points. Kids Bluetooth their phones and stream. When I upgrade they'll get this gear. I'm glad you mentioned their lack of brightness. As I have nothing to compare I always wondered. I actually think they don't have enough high end. I guess I now know what I need to try next.
Try Tannoy Gold 5
how are you connecting this to a PS5? was that a mistake in the video? No HMDI on these R-51pm
there is a box for allowing PS5 to have optical and coax
@@Jayiyagi hdmi Audio extractors are sadly still limited to hdmi 2.0, hoping they update them to support hdmi 2.1 soon.
Whatever you do, just don't get the R41PMs for near-field. These are smaller, too small. Too much highs. Sounds small. Either too much (DSP corrected) bass, or not enough. Kinda v-shaped. Horrible for near-field. But great in a BIG room.
how about R51PM for nearfield ? Is it better ? Thanks
@@milixu109 Apparently R51s are way better. No replacement for displacement, I guess (bigger speakers, better sound). My guess is, they perfected the 51M/PMs, but just used the exact same treble driver with a smaller woofer for the R41M/PMs. I will buy the R51Ms. I trust this reviewer.
@@LeDechaine thanks a lot !
Ehh, I kind of agree. Treble nearfield definitely is an issue, sometimes I suppose it can “sparkle” but a lot of the time it’s just sibilant and has too much treble. Terms of sound? Ehh... yes no replacement for displacement but they’re not that bad. I mostly have issues with that treble, and that it can sometimes sound a little dry.
There is reason why there is an upward trend for soundbars. Traditional home theater speakers involve a lot of time in setting up and are finicky with the type of gear that you hook up to them, traditional speaker setup also ends up costly if you want good sound. The biggest advantage soundbars have is they are easy to plug and play and are very versatile. Some flagship soundbars now offer good audio quality and home theater experience as a result the customers are not inclined to take up the headache's of owning traditional speakers.
of course. Some flagship soundbars are very cool these days and I fully plan on reviewing some. However the r51m do a great job at a lower price without the headache of owning traditional speakers with additional features that soundbars don't usually have
Convenience is really the only thing going for the soundbars really. Oh, and another is of course ignorance (lack of better word), most who buy their first audio end up with soundbars, as they sound amazing compared to the tiny speakers enclosed inside TVs. Little do they know about stereo superiority benefits on imaging, soundstage, separation, etc.
@@darrenloke5486 More and more dsp processing will be the future trend in speakers and soundbars. Also most people don't have huge spaces to accommodate even large bookshelf speakers like klipsch rp-600m in their listening area. Also flagship soundbars (upwards of $1000) sound really good for the price. People also prefer plug and play devices, the average joe doesn't give a squat for impedeance, speaker sensitivity.
*headaches
Great video. I have the jbl 305s on my desk for video editing purposes and mixing audio tracks, for the same reason you just mentioned more of a neutral sound. And then I picked up these Klipsch for my turntable. Couldn’t be happier with both speaker sets for the intended purpose.
R51PM have veiled sound without soundstage. They sound like soundbar with that thin and deaf sound. How people can listen to this? Amazing...
Which is better the fives or r-51pm
I’ve been preaching this waaaaay before
My left speaker (the one without the amp) is making a terrible hiss scratchy sound as you turn the volume up. I cannot get it to go away. I have tried different cables, sprayed out area with pot cleaner, nothing works. I am getting ready to send it in to them. I am using mine for a turntable. I am running the RCA jacks.
Hi, I am Carlos, from Brazil. I loved your video, congratulations. I have a doubt. Four years ago, I bought a Denon AVR 2400H and just now I choosing a speaker (many problems). So, what is the best definitely, R51M (not RW-51M) ou RP-600M? Can you help me?
Thanks!
lmao soundbar KILLER
Whats putting an end to soundbars you ask...? STEREO SPEAKERS.
Which one would you pick, Klipsch the fives or Klipsch r51pm. Is the difference very big between them? It would be mostly for movies. Thanks and Greetings from Panama
Looks like you love bass created with dsp, the rest of your video is no need to check. Main purpose is multi amplifier optimized for vinyl.
Nice....I have the the rp 160 and I use them with a SET 2A3 amp and sounds excellent....maybe they sound bright with solid state amps....just saying...but that speaker looks great....!!! ED in New York.....😎🌉🎵🎶🎵
What's the best way to get Dolby Atmos working with these speakers? I've got a LG C2
In australia these are massively overpriced. Most sellers want $1400 AU. I feel like writing a few angry emails asking them to justify the massive price difference.
Import tax and sales tax on top and freight etc and maybe 30% is justified and then currency conversion another 25%. My rough calculations have them @ $1049.00 AUD. Yeah, $1400 is a lot.
AND Klipsch is well know for their crazy price structure so never, ever pay full price, just wait for Black Friday, Boxing Day sales. At least here.
@@Roof_Pizza keeping in mind that the $500 US price is the retail price. Not the cost to retailer. In my opinion anything over a 1000 would be too much to pay. Especially considering I could buy these and get them sent to a US address then forwared to my door for less.
How much are ls50 metas down under?
@@brandonbrodbeck6688 $2500
Can these R51P speakers be paired with a Bose Companion 3 Sub?
Nice overview jay yeah the rp51 doesnt have the cooled tweeter like the rp600m the rp160m ildoes shares the same tweeter desighn as the rp51 but the 160m has a nice heavy duty angled plate at the bottom also helping with foundation groundation lol but yeah alot of pep love the Rp51 and Rp 150m
Are you going to review the Klipsch R-41PM?
if i upgrade the speaker cable that connect the 2 speakers will there be any change in the sound?
Hello. Thanks for the review. Just want to ask - is the BT sound from this repro really that bad?
I have the passives in my RV...with smsl ad18 ...they are awesome..i have the rp8000 in the living room and ls50 and triangles bro 3 and bryston mini Ts and many more..ive got m rp51 s mounted up a bit on the wall and they image pin point😁 get the up near a wall and bass is killer I tried them with a sophia baby amp too but clean class D is best...i got these by accident and have been floor ed by them all these in this series with 4 5 and 6 drivers are way better the the RP line...these are an outstanding speaker line for next to nothing...good luck...📀
I’m kinda late to the party but have an eye on these. Anyone out here with an opinion on whether 51M plus amp or 51PM if I mainly will listen via digital sources? Thanks!
Not sure if you're still in the market. I actually own the R51PM and I sure love the simplicity and reduction of cables and many connectivity options packed in BT, Optical, Phono etc... however, If you have the space go for the amp + passives. One big letdown for them is that Bluetooth is only A2DP which is old hat now. The bluetooth connectivity is something that they marketed as a feature for these so kinda meh. Only discovered recently after casting music to TV which is connected via optical and finding it had a noticable lead in clarity.
"The A2DP standard operates in stereo and supports most of the standard audio compression codecs. The recommended sub-band coding (SBC) codec supports up to 345 kilobits per second at 48 kilohertz. That's approximately one third the quality of standard CD audio-roughly the equivalent of a high-quality MP3 recording."
( www.howtogeek.com/338750/whats-the-difference-between-bluetooth-a2dp-and-aptx/ )
Would love to see an actual affordable soundbar killer setup, complete solution for $200 and $100. The reason price is important is it needs to be a gateway drug for people who aren't audiophiles.
Kanto yu4 active bookshelf speakers
Please get some VOLTI speakers for review...i may buy the razz...🤔
I have question I just bought this speakers can still hook this up to my Av receiver?
Hola, r51 pm vs s2000 mk3 Edifier?
At this price, wouldn't one just get the tekton lore and the $260 amplifier that Jay recommended (one from Chinafi audio)
Is there a way to set up surround sound with 2 powered speaker pairs without another amp? for example, two r51pm's?
You said it's good for ps5 but ps5 console has only hdmi audio out.
Klipsh doesn't have hdmi in for audio. How do you connect it then? From your TV optical out?
Yes
So the question is R51PM or SMSL DA9 + R51M ?
The 600s shit all over the 51s. It's not even close.
Test the Klipsch Sixes... I feel like their powered versions of speakers are as good as it gets from factory.
Imaging and bass response far better than I thought they'd be
@@hwanjung8230 they are incredible speakers for the money... especially when listening via USB
@@nocturnalg yes full agreement. I'm very happy with them
@@hwanjung8230 yup, I quite like the imaging on them. However when listening to them quite close (like 3 feet) for me at higher volumes, their less desirable features sometimes stand out.
@@EntropyConcept I ended up buying a used pair of The Sixes for 300 bucks, and I'm pretty happy with them. He sold me his klipsch 10" sub too, I've been impressed with the imaging and bass response for the most part.
Sounds like you're talking into a cup.
This over the klipsch cinema 600 soundbar? About to buy 1, ty for ur input
Guess you’ve made your mind up but I had the cinema 600 and sent it back very poor sound and sub would make high pitch noise
How many times do you have to click the vol on control to start to hear vol?
Cheapaudioman does not agree with your conclusion at all. Oh nvm these are the active ones.
What happened to your Buchardt A500s?
Anyone can compare these to the fives or sixes?
R51PM or the fives?
I just bought them, can't wait for them to arrive 🎉
Same you liking them so far?
@@Mohawkchris love them!
$398 on USA amazon
That’s not a good price kek
@@EntropyConcept your right just got a second pair on Amazon for $264 although now there discontinued
Nails on a chalkboard.
How do measure an experience?
R-51m?.
vs edifiers?
Toss in a $399 RSL Speedwoofer 10s and you’re 85% of the way to the KEF combo for 1/3 the price
More like 65%
But they're still Klipsch.
@@Audfile I hear ya, but I dunno. I had the LS50s and two SVS subs. Nice, but far from perfect. Ear of the beholder, my friend
@@Roof_Pizza Granted! I think this “channel” has slipped, if it ever had any grip. It needs a reset. Lots of hifi channels do a better job
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Great review as always :) but I have a problem with calling 2 speakers soundbar replacement... yeah they may sound better but they miss one crucial thing for normal living room setup; centar channel. Nobody sits directley between two speakers and alone in normal leaving room, lets be honest. And until there is at least 3 speakers involved, soundbar is better option for most people not to mention more elegant and with infinitly greater WAF. Just my opinion
what are those raiser for 51PM u using?