What Makes Mary and Joseph's Marriage Different?
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- As we know, an essential part of the Sacrament of Marriage is entering into the sexual embrace. And yet, our Catholic faith teaches that Mary and Joseph remained lifelong virgins even after they were married. So, how does this make their marriage different?
Today, Fr. Mike unpacks this common question and helps us further understand the beauty and grace of the Sacrament of Marriage.
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Intriguing! I’m a Protestant that’s been digging deeply into Catholicism and this perspective of the Holy Family’s dynamic is helpful. Pray for me that if the Catholic Church is the church Christ founded that I embrace it with open arms!
You have my prayers. Do not be afraid to ask the Holy Family for guidance.
Check Dr Brant Pitre, Steve Ray and learn about the fathers church.
May the Holy spirit guides in your search
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Watch Marino Restrepo testimony. We pray for you and for unity for all. ❤️
Keep digging and praying. I did this and I am at RCIA now waiting to be confirmed in the Catholic Church this Easter. I have an evangelical background with a lot of apologetics.
Please pray for me. I’m a broke widow living alone and I’m sick with covid.✝️🙏
Dear father we urgently lift Pamela to you this day. We ask you to meet her needs. Father you have pity on the widow please grant grace and mercy to Pamela. Bring friends, material provision, and health to this dear sister. Show her a sign of your presence and favour as an encouragement today. Amen.
You're in my prayers! It's hard to be alone, sick and poor. Reach out to your parish! We catholics do not generally do such a great job of taking care of our own. We tend to assume everyone has an enormous family ready and willing. But that is not true for all. Surely your priest could gather some of the parish women ans at least get a meal train going.
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; Pamela you are healed in Jesus's name. You are become all powerful and victorious and prosperous in Jesus's name. You will bear fruit even in old age in Jesus's Name amen 🙏
Prayers for your recovery from Covid and for you to have peace. My sister in law is in the same boat, broke widow, I feel for you. I hope you have the help of family through this journey.
My husband passed away from aggressive brain cancer almost 3 weeks ago. We have 4 little girls, and a baby boy. Listening to this made me cry because all the points were spot on, and it feels. Like a confirmation that we lived as God wanted us too. I'm absolutely broken. I don't know how to move forward from here. We were supposed to grow old together, and be married for over 50 years. Not enter our 30's, with only 11 years of marriage.
He was an amazing husband and father. He was everything I asked God for, and so much more. We had an incredible marriage, and never understood why people would say, "marriage is hard". For us, it wasn't, it was so easy. It didn't get hard until the tumors took over our entire lives, and finally claimed his life. People who married after us would call us up frustrated with their own marriages, because it wasn't like our example of marriage. We accidentally set unrealistic expectations. I didn't know it was possible to love someone so much. Sadly that love came with an unbearable price me.
My oldest daughter can't wait for the church retreat this June, that is being held in Denver. She is really hoping she will get to meet you! Since her dad got sick, she has leaned on the church. But since his passing, church and anything related to church, is what's keeping her going.
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Sex isn't everything
My wife and I got married by the court first, for reasons I really don’t want to go into. In order to still receive the Eucharist we lived a Joseph and Mary type marriage. My pastor asked us when we were going to get married by the church and we explained our situation that even though we got married outside the church we didn’t want to consummate the marriage until we got married by the church. That was the first time we had heard this term of Joseph and Mary marriage.
The Bible clearly states Jesus had brothers and sisters. Actually, according to the Bible, there was a COMMAND not to deprive one another of sex because Satan will tempt you. Mary and Joseph AFTER Jesus was born would have been sinning if they did not have intercourse. That is what a marriage is the two will become one flesh. 1 Cor 7:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempts you not for your incontinency.
Thank you Fr Mike 🌻
"The beauty of marriage is unconditional love & forgiveness"
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes 🌈
~1 Corinthians 13:4-7
"Okay campers!" 😂
Father you have a gift of explaining deep subjects in such a light hearted way. Thank you so much. 🙂👍
Let's also not lose sight of the vital fact that our Most Holy Mother of God Mary and Joseph were chosen for an extraordinary mission. She, willingly humbling herself and obeying God's plan to bear God the Word, and he (Joseph) charged with being the protector of these divine gifts.
I think a Josephite marriage could be an incredibly beautiful thing. I think people have trouble comprehending that concept though, because the physical urges are so powerful.
Yes. Urges powerful but self-discipline weak.
Why would you marry someone though if you don't want to consummate it? Couldn't you just be best friends
There's the possibility of adoption together to raise a child? That's very fruitful.
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I think of people who like he said have a physical component that may make sex very painful or have a traumatic past and cannot have sex due to mental trauma. I think these people still deserve to get married if they find someone who also does not want to engage in sexual activity but want to be a lifetime partner
Shoot I was one of the comments that led to this video! Thanks Father Mike! This is why I keep coming back
Wow Fr Mike! Some topics you bring up are just things I have never thought of. Great video!
Father, with all due respect, this video is misleading. A couple can certainly be validly married in the eyes of the Church even if they have yet to consummate. Their marriage would be a marriage “ratum sed non consummatum,” ratified, but not consummated. The validity of the marriage is not at stake.
There is an article on Canon Law Made Easy that explains this better than I can, but I don’t think one can say that without sex, there is no marriage if both parties freely consented to marriage in the Church but have been unable to consummate due to any circumstance.
Thanks Fr Mike! ❤ I was one of those who asked about this topic and I am SO HAPPY you addressed this! !! I did NOT know that Joseph and Mary did NOT have a sacramental marriage!! But they did have a UNIQUE circumstance that was never to be repeated again, namely that they were given the supreme blessing of providing a home into which the Son of God was to be born from the line of David. Never to be repeated again! Such an auspicious blessing called upon them both to make extraordinary sacrifices to uphold and honor that blessing, namely continance in marriage. It's like they had the best of both worlds: the best of marriage and the best of celibacy. And they got to raise the MESSIAH!!!!!
HOW COOL IS THAT!!!??? 🥰
I DONT THINK THEY COMPLAINED ONE BIT.
It's all GOOD!
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It is amazing how clearly and simply Fr. Mike is able to explain difficult ideas.
This has been on my mind a lot lately, and this video popped up. Thank you for explaining, Fr. Mike, and for telling us to not be afraid to ask questions ❤
Thank you for posting this Father 🙏🏼✝️❤️
With all due respect, Fr. Mike. I cannot believe that a marriage, blessed in the church, is not considered a marriage or valid sacrament without the physical act to consummate. What about the beautiful elderly or Senior widow and widower who are married in church, or people physically unable to engage?? I don’t believe their marriage blessed by the Lord, is less of a Sacrament. This is a sad statement to me and an exclusive viewpoint. 🙁
St Cecelia was another.
A Japanese Martyred couple are another.
There are so many in history who were called exclusively to God, but had to marry. Their spouse joined them in celibacy.
They are saints canonized by the Church.
Those physically unable to engage in sex are not permitted into marriage. Which is why most old people can still marry.
Otherwise they would have to entered the rare Josephite marriage.
It’s worth noting that some things are not required for sex to be considered sex; for example, penetration doesn’t need to be deep, ejaculation doesn’t need* to happen (*although it is not to be intentionally avoided), etc. So, just because a couple can’t do certain things due to complications such as vaginismus, dyspareunia, etc. doesn’t automatically mean that what they CAN do doesn’t count as sex. (That’s not to say that any two people - such as people of the same sex - can be married just because they are capable of doing something of a sexual nature, of course.)
I don’t want to get into the nitty gritty details too much here, but I thought that may be helpful to bring up in case someone is in that sort of relatively common situation. :)
The difficulty of accepting the sublime mystery of their spousal communion has led some, since the 2nd century, to think of Joseph as advanced in age and to consider him Mary's guardian more than her husband. It is instead a case of supposing that he was not an elderly man at the time, but that his interior perfection, the fruit of grace, led him to live his spousal relationship with Mary with virginal affection. -- John Paul II
I’ve been wondering this for so long. Thank you for this.
God Bless Fr Mike for explaining these complicated topics! I needed the chocolate chip cookie 🍪 analogy! 🙏🏼🌟 I was raised Catholic but have found how little I really understood or knew. I’m enjoying the Bible in a year and even got my friend to join me and she’s Protestant! It’s really great program! Thank you Fr Mike - always keeping you in my prayers! 🕊
My friend and I did the same! We are both loving BIAY Love you Bestie ❤️
Hello I am Joy Schultz Father Mike Smitz is very interesting and often humorous I had not heard him in a while until now. He makes my heart light , so good to hear from him again
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Awesome. As a catholic this makes me happy. Catholic youtube channels making it very well.
I had this question pop into my head last week. Amazing timing!
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Greetings: alleluia amen 🙏: ( fwiw) this presentation is outstanding; again, this presentation is outstanding
don't be deceived into these doctrines. Although they're pleasing to your ears, the RCC is NOT the way to Christ. Study the scriptures and see the truth for itself. You'll see the RCC is contradictory to all Yeshua has taught.
In fact we can trace back the Roman Catholic religion right to its birth (note i am not referring to the Catholic/Christian church before its was made legal in Rome)
Rome was attacking the true followers of Christ, their persecution was terrible and they were being killed without hesitation. Yet the followers of Yeshua kept growing in spite of this genocide. In 300ad Constantine converted to "Christian" and made the roman state religion Christian. This however never stopped pagan Rome. Instead of Christianity taking over pagan Rome, pagan Rome adapted Christianity into itself. The Roman Catholic Church is NOT the Body of Christ. Its a counterfeit Christianity with a false Christ and false apostles. The statues you bow down to and pray to for help and guidance aren't even who you think they are.
We look back into history and pagan rome and after the "conversion" of Roman Emperor Constantine (its known he still worshipped the sun, hence why the day of worship was shifted to Sunday from Saturday((sabboth)) to adapt to his idolatry ) the temples of their pagna gods eventually were just re-skinned to fit the Christian look. this is where the Idol worship of the RCC came into, the statue Venus was eventually called "mother mary" and the statue Jupiter was changed to "Saint Peter" so on and so forth.
Study the scriptures. Do NOT ask of any guidance or help from this supposed "holy family" only GOD is holy and we are made holy thru HIM. Youve been given a helper, a teacher who cannot lie, a power, a will, a new life thru the HOLY SPIRIT.
repent from the RCC. it is a counterfeit christianity.
Greetings Ascension Presents,
Father Mike Looks Totally Outlandish ,Rare Grin with awkward look on the Thumbnail for this Particular Video Upload. Simply Priceless moment!!!
Be Safe and Stay Safe,
With Kind regards,
- RanjithJoseph (R.J)
This left me with more questions Fr Mike.😓
All your questions will disappear once you realise that all Catholic dogma was invented in order to control people.
Ahhh I’m not even catholic and you blessed me with so much amo for circular arguments lol 😂🙏🏻💞
Thank you Father Mike for a wonderful video. I would love to know more about Josephite marriage.. can you recommend any resources? Hope you have a lovely day :)
Thank you Father Mike!
I'm so glad someone made a video about this because as silly as it sounds, I actually legitimately wonder about this a lot😂
EXCELLENT. I will be using that chocolate chip cookie analogy! Thanks again.
The cookie analogy is actually amazing. And standing by definitions and the human dignity of the sexual act is important I. Today's world.
I’ll tell you what father Mike this is such an interesting topic I’ll make you some chocolate chip cookies. And believe me I have all the good ingredients.
Thanks father Mike
Thank you for staying true to the beliefs, even when they are hard to say, or for some to hear. I'm praying for you, please pray for me.
don't be deceived into these doctrines. Although they're pleasing to your ears, the RCC is NOT the way to Christ. Study the scriptures and see the truth for itself. You'll see the RCC is contradictory to all Yeshua has taught.
In fact we can trace back the Roman Catholic religion right to its birth (note i am not referring to the Catholic/Christian church before its was made legal in Rome)
Rome was attacking the true followers of Christ, their persecution was terrible and they were being killed without hesitation. Yet the followers of Yeshua kept growing in spite of this genocide. In 300ad Constantine converted to "Christian" and made the roman state religion Christian. This however never stopped pagan Rome. Instead of Christianity taking over pagan Rome, pagan Rome adapted Christianity into itself. The Roman Catholic Church is NOT the Body of Christ. Its a counterfeit Christianity with a false Christ and false apostles. The statues you bow down to and pray to for help and guidance aren't even who you think they are.
We look back into history and pagan rome and after the "conversion" of Roman Emperor Constantine (its known he still worshipped the sun, hence why the day of worship was shifted to Sunday from Saturday((sabboth)) to adapt to his idolatry ) the temples of their pagna gods eventually were just re-skinned to fit the Christian look. this is where the Idol worship of the RCC came into, the statue Venus was eventually called "mother mary" and the statue Jupiter was changed to "Saint Peter" so on and so forth.
Study the scriptures. Do NOT ask of any guidance or help from this supposed "holy family" only GOD is holy and we are made holy thru HIM. Youve been given a helper, a teacher who cannot lie, a power, a will, a new life thru the HOLY SPIRIT.
repent from the RCC. it is a counterfeit christianity.
💕🙏🏻🌴Thank Father for your teachings. God bless you and keep you safe💕🌴🙏🏻
Truly an opportunistic blessing to develop a authentic relationship that goes beyond the finite desire
of sexual intimacy 🙏🏾❤️🙏🏾
Fr. Mike, respectfully, Canon 1061 and commentary says, "A valid marriage between two baptized persons which has not yet ben consummated is said to be 'ratified' (matrimonium ratum). Ratified marriages are always sacramental and enjoy the essential properties of unity and indissolubility."
Further, this is addressed in the Summa Theologica, ST. Supp. Q42. A4. where consummation is not integral to the essence of matrimony.
I'm not aware of any official documents of the Church that say that consummation is necessary for matrimony to be sacramental, even if consummation should generally happen as a moral principle.
Thank you Father God bless you
I'm no theologian or try to contradict any Church doctrine that I may not be aware of, but I believe the human love of sexual embrace as consummation of marriage is still, even as it is the required sacramental fulfillment of marriage, lower in stature and nature compared with the love of God and one's love for God. Mary and Joseph were initially planning to live a normal married life under God, but God's divine plan of salvation was given to them through Mary, and that fulfillment outweighs marriage fulfillment by sexual embrace, because since then they were united by Jesus as father and mother, and Jesus is the highest fulfillment of love.
The angel in Matthew's testimony makes it clear that Joseph took Mary as his wife, and as a father he was the one to name Jesus, Jesus. Perhaps the best explanation is that, God's one unique grace through Jesus for Mary and Joseph made their marriage a fulfilled marriage.
"But just when he had resolved to do this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, for the child conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you are to name him Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”"
(Matthew 1: 20-21)
Right, the same way God through His grace made Mary Immaculate. Unique grace.
I asked this exact question
Greetings Father Mike,
Thanks you very much for needed information on SACRAMENTAL MARRIAGE in a Pristine level.
In SEVEN SACRAMENTS , both Important and UNIQUE SACRAMENT in accordance with CANON LAW.
Be Safe and Stay Safe,
With Kind regards to All
- Ranjith Joseph (R.J)
I’d be really interested in learning about where in the Bible it talks about marriage as a sacrament and how Catholics came to do the marriage preparation and the other beliefs around sacramental marriage.
Not every iota of the Gospel was written down, as the Bible itself says. St. Paul, talking about the Liturgy in 1Cor 11:34, wrote, "The other matters I will arrange when I come there" proving the Apostles never intended to write everything down. See 2Timothy2:2 and 2Thess2:15 for Apostolic instruction on holding tight to the traditions they taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter. Remember, the Bible was not compiled until the end of the 4th century, at the Council of Rome under Pope Damasus the first. So, it CANNOT be our sole rule of faith. The Church lived, spread, and conquered the Roman Empire before the Bible was compiled.
Okay. I did include that I’m curious about how Catholics came the practice as they do. Doesn’t have to be quotes from scripture. 🥸
Marriage became a sacrament when Jesus was present at the Wedding at Cana. If you are ever curious about true Catholic doctrine you can always refer to the Catechism of the Catholic Church. You can find references online.
Ryan. If you have access to the catechism it will explain all that for you and give biblical and encyclical references for you to use.
Ryan. if you could look into getting the Catechism of the Catholic church, it will give you all of the answers you're seeking along with biblical references.
My teenage daughter has asked about this exact thing, so thank you for providing such a clear answer 🙏🏼
#AskAscension Hello there Fr. Mike and Ascension Team, I would like to ask for discussion about the afterlife in Heaven. My parents has passed away (please do pray for them) and I've been wondering if we are united again physically, will I still be able to call them Dad and Mom? Will we do things like parents and children?
Thank you. God bless.
Good talk, but I could have used more information on what makes the sexual embrace so necessary.
#askascension can we please address Pope Francis’s inconsistencies, particularly on same-sex relationships? What are we to make of it?
Pope Francis is not inconsistent. Certain things that he said have been translated wrong.
@@KaylaLopez7 unfortunately we see pope Francis' doctrine on salvation is also warped. He isn't the vicar of God. He's is a false teacher and leader. You shall know a tree by its fruits. He is not of God
@@KaylaLopez7 no. He is. Especially if you listen to what he says in the language he's speaking. Either Italian or Spanish. He says some very suspect things and in some cases even heretical statements.
I was excited to find this video, but then surprised when Fr. Mike didn't give a clear answer to the main question, if he answered it at all. In my teaching I've stressed the centrality of sexual union for marriage as well, especially that when a man and woman come together they become "one flesh," as Jesus emphasized for understanding marriage. With that I've been unsure what to think about Mary and Joseph, wondering if my (and the Church's) teaching is consistent. (And also when I taught this at a vestry meeting, a member of the vestry asked whether he and his wife were married, since they've never been able to consummate their marriage. Which was a zinger for me at that time.)
At any rate, if Mary and Joseph are married because marriage is ratified at the vows, even before it's consummated in the marriage bed (which apparently makes "Josephite" marriages possible) why can't it be said that the elderly couple who are unable to come together are in a ratified marriage but not a consummated marriage?
The backdrop for my teaching was same-sex relationships and why two men or two women can't get married--that is, they can't become one flesh. That helps bring something out about proper marriage vows. When a bride and groom vow to live together in a certain way until they're parted by death, that is specifically talking about the one flesh union. So if one spouse has to live in a nursing home and the healthy spouse can't join the other, they aren't breaking their vows by being parted before death. Their one flesh union has yet to be ended since they're still alive, and so their obligations to keep their solemn vows hold. So I just thought that was interesting, that the vows themselves aim at the sexual embrace, even though the wording is a bit subtle (at least in my tradition).
I like the chocolate chip cookie analogy, but, again, it makes it sound like that means Mary and Joseph weren't really married. Maybe a short follow-up could clarify this.
i’m confused by you saying he didn’t answer the question at all. he clearly stated they were married through vows but because they never had sex it simply was not a sacramental marriage
@@joostine3720 Your reply suggests that Fr. Mike is only talking about sacramental marriage when he makes the comparison with chocolate chip cookies. There may be a few phrases in support of that, but it's certainly not clear. It seems that his remarks are applicable to all marriage, whether Holy Matrimony or Civil Matrimony. That is, he does not seem to be arguing that sexual union is more strictly essential for the sacrament than it is for marriage as such.
Further, the crucial distinction for Mary and Joseph is that their marriage is ratified but not consummated. True, they were not in a sacramental marriage. However, the main reason for that is not that sex is essential for sacramental marriage in a way that is not the case for the normal human practice of marriage. The reason Mary and Joseph are not in a sacramental marriage is because Jesus had not yet instituted the Seven Sacraments. They are still married, though. And the reason they are married is that their marriage is ratified, though not consummated.
Fr. Mike brings up that distinction specifically in the case of "Josephite Marriages," where he says that specifically the sacrament is ratified, though not consummated. But then in the next breath, he says that a couple who has entered the sacrament of marriage but is physically unable to consummate their marriage has not received a sacrament. More than that, they aren't married at all, sacramentally or otherwise. Against your take, the language of sacrament basically drops out. He ends with strong statements to the effect that without the sexual embrace there is no marriage.
I think these points bring out that there is something incoherent in the finished product that is this video. His final comments are put so strongly that they seem to undermine Mary and Joseph's marriage. At the same time, the explanation he gives for Mary and Joseph's marriage does not fit with his claim at the end--which he even addresses to the couple that can't have sex, telling them they aren't really married!
We might imagine an analogy between receiving the Eucharist and the extraordinary grace found in merely Spiritual Communion. The desire for the sacrament can in some cases be the occasion when the Lord imparts the grace of the sacrament. Just so in the ratified marriage of an elderly couple, who is unable to consummate their marriage. Again, their vows aim at the sexual embrace. They have committed themselves to the form of life that is consonant with being made one flesh with another person. They will conduct themselves in a certain manner until they are "parted by death." Further, couples in those circumstances can (and often should) pray for healing. That alone underscores his point that sex in marriage is itself a means of grace. The Lord would be so delighted to bless couples in their marriage bed, that they would be freed to enjoy one another and be molded into the likeness of Christ through all of the difficulties and delights of cleaving to their beloved.
Jesus’ brothers are mentioned in several Bible verses. Matthew 12:46, Luke 8:19, and Mark 3:31 say that Jesus’ mother and brothers came to see Him. The Bible tells us that Jesus had four brothers: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (Matthew 13:55). The Bible also tells us that Jesus had sisters, but they are not named or numbered (Matthew 13:56). In John 7:1-10, His brothers go on to the festival while Jesus stays behind. In Acts 1:14, His brothers and mother are described as praying with the disciples. Galatians 1:19 mentions that James was Jesus’ brother. The most natural conclusion of these passages is to interpret that Jesus had actual blood half-siblings.
Some Roman Catholics claim that these “brothers” were actually Jesus’ cousins. However, in each instance, the specific Greek word for “brother” is used. While the word can refer to other relatives, its normal and literal meaning is a physical brother. There was a Greek word for “cousin,” and it was not used. Further, if they were Jesus’ cousins, why would they so often be described as being with Mary, Jesus’ mother? There is nothing in the context of His mother and brothers coming to see Him that even hints that they were anyone other than His literal, blood-related, half-brothers.
A second Roman Catholic argument is that Jesus’ brothers and sisters were the children of Joseph from a previous marriage. An entire theory of Joseph’s being significantly older than Mary, having been previously married, having multiple children, and then being widowed before marrying Mary is invented without any biblical basis. The problem with this is that the Bible does not even hint that Joseph was married or had children before he married Mary. If Joseph had at least six children before he married Mary, why are they not mentioned in Joseph and Mary’s trip to Bethlehem (Luke 2:4-7) or their trip to Egypt (Matthew 2:13-15) or their trip back to Nazareth (Matthew 2:20-23)?
There is no biblical reason to believe that these siblings are anything other than the actual children of Joseph and Mary. Those who oppose the idea that Jesus had half-brothers and half-sisters do so, not from a reading of Scripture, but from a preconceived concept of the perpetual virginity of Mary, which is itself clearly unbiblical: “But he (Joseph) had no union with her (Mary) until she gave birth to a son. And he gave Him the name Jesus” (Matthew 1:25). Jesus had half-siblings, half-brothers and half-sisters, who were the children of Joseph and Mary. That is the clear and unambiguous teaching of God’s Word.
@@stephencrawford5452 Bravo brother/sister, you articulated very well the issues with fr scmitz' explanation. I have the same issues. I've read and researched a little to look for a satisfying explanation of how Mary's marriage fits into the view that marriage needs sex, but I've found no satisfying explanations. In fr Gregory Pines' recent video on the same topic, he mention in the bypassing that theologians have tried for two thousands years to make sense of this.
The Bible clearly states Jesus had brothers and sisters. Actually, according to the Bible, there was a COMMAND not to deprive one another of sex because Satan will tempt you. Mary and Joseph AFTER Jesus was born would have been sinning if they did not have intercourse. That is what a marriage is the two will become one flesh. 1 Cor 7:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempts you not for your incontinency.
#AskAscension so can a marriage still be "licit" without being "sacramental"? Say, if the couple adopted all their children?
Sexual embrace" is a general term which could mean many things, such as, kissing, hugging, sexual intercourse, etc... So, if one chooses not to have sexual intercourse because of whatever reasons, then it is just a choice for as long as they could be together until death do they part. I believe that the Sacrament of Marriage is a special blessing, a bond from God to say that "what God has joined together, let no man put asunder."
@Fr.Mike what do you have to say about the Jesus family of Tolpiat? It was something I recently came across on TH-cam.
Thank you Father Mike. God Bless You!
Father Mike this is a two part question. If Blessed Mary and Joseph did not consecrate their marriage; where did Jesus' siblings come from if they exist?
Marriage has four keys. Some are attracted to one or more. When someone has all four; the concescration is not as important. Connection on the highest level; spiritual is more satisfying. I was in a relationship where we connected only with two keys and there was a tremendous amount of tension. I, therefore, would love all four keys and intimacy directed in other ways.
Jesus did not have blood siblings :)
Joseph was an old man at the time of the marriage. He may well have been a widower with other children, who would (as far as the rest of the world knew) have been Jesus's half-siblings.
No siblings, they were cousins, or other family. Been known before Eusebius.
@@christinebutler7630 I heard Joseph was about 33. Why was an old man betrothed to a 14 year old
A widower could and would have been in a good position to negotiate a marriage with a young girl. He would have a home and a livelihood well established and be able to start a new family. At the time girls were given in marriage anywhere frome 12 to 17 years of age; 13-15 was average. As a professor of mine once put it, if they bleed, they breed. Many men were widowed and took subsequent wives because death in childbirth was very, very, very common for women.
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Father, can you address how this message applies to couples who due to medical conditions are not able to consummate their marriage. Unknowingly to them, some couples enter into Marriage and then after marriage realize that they are not able to have sex due to vaginismus in the female and/or erection disfunction in the male. I think it’s very insensitive to hear this message when I personally know Catholic couples who have not been able to consummate their marriage. What is the Church’s teaching on Josephite marriages? Or couples who are forced into Josephite marriages due to medical conditions?
Unfortunately I feel like nobody in the Catholic Church addresses the issues of sexual dysfunctions in marriage. Namely Vaginismus… many religious woman struggle with this in marriage and the Church has very little support or resources on this topic.
Hi, I write for CatholicMatch and have done some deep research here that might help you :).
If something like vaginismus or ED prevents a couple from consummation, but they didn't discover it until after the actual wedding ceremony, a couple usually has two choices. They can stick out the marriage and work toward consummation through proper medical treatment and therapy, and live as a Josephite couple until then. Or, the Catholic church sees "hesitation to consummate" or inability to consummate as a valid reason to annul the marriage--meaning that even when the condition is unknown to the couple until after the wedding, they can safely and without sin separate and receive an annulment from the Church authorities.
Obviously any way you look at it, it's a difficult and painful situation! Hopefully this helps, God bless 💙
@@cadencehogge8528 What if you are married 40+ years and just don't have energy? Like the spirit wants to but the body aches.
The initial disclaimer is well meaning; I should look at how Church teaching applies to myself. It seems to me, however, that the disclaimer is logically flawed, because "me" and "myself" is anyone watching the video, and therefore the Church teaching applies to me, me and me, where me is I, me is my next door neighbour and me is ____ (fill in the blanks).
I’d like to know why it’s always considered so much more holy to be a virgin than to be sexually active even in a Godly marriage. If there’s nothing wrong with sex that’s open to life in a christ centered marriage and it’s actually supposedly such a “good" thing, why would have mary, or most (not all) saints for that matter, not been considered as clean or as holy if they were to have lost their virginity? As if that implies theres something wrong or unclean about sex even when it’s in the right context
Read 1 Corinthians 7 and Matthew 19. Being married is a good thing, giving up a good thing for something better, totally giving yourself to God, is clearly the higher good but not everyone is called to make that commitment. As Jesus says “ Let anyone accept this who can.”
well in Mary's case, I think it was specifically God's will that she remained a virgin, so her doing so is holy. the holiest thing you can do in any moment is God's will. not sure about others though :)
Mary had other children after Jesus with Joseph
@@jocelynparker6867 she absolutely did not
A lot of early followers remained virgins for life. If they wanted to make that sacrifice, more power to them.
I’m surprised that a Josephine marriage exists and is accepted, although it’s not the norm. I’ve always been told that if a marriage isn’t completed and a man and woman don’t become one, the marriage is almost instantly annulled.
The Bible clearly states Jesus had brothers and sisters. Actually, according to the Bible, there was a COMMAND not to deprive one another of sex because Satan will tempt you. Mary and Joseph AFTER Jesus was born would have been sinning if they did not have intercourse. That is what a marriage is the two will become one flesh. 1 Cor 7:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempts you not for your incontinency.
What? Do you really mean they never had sex? Matthew 1:25 says they didn't have sexual relations until after Jesus was born. And what do you make of Jesus's siblings?
She was ever virgin. Joseph was much older and scholars speculate he had children prior to his marriage to Mary
I’m a devout Catholic - and I guess my ultimate question is this: @FatherMike are we really honest to goodness saying Mary and Joseph couldn’t have consummated their marriage after Jesus was born?!?! I am absolutely open for correction and hope maybe one of the commenters might have additional insight for me. To me, I didn’t read anything biblical about Mary and Joseph NOT consummating their marriage once Jesus was born nor do I see how Mary being a Virgin at Christ’s birth translates into them never ever consummating their marriage. Some Apocrypha even references siblings of Jesus. Can we not still appreciate The Virgin Mary for being a Virgin at Christ’s birth without saying that she never ever shed that virginity??? Open to feedback, please share!!!!
Mary was ever virgin. And Jesus had lots of “brothers”. I have sisters who are not born of my parents that I consider my sisters.
Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
Matthew 13:55-56 KJV
Always choose scripture!
@@avalonmckinney8915 The problem with Scripture is that often words have different nuances which are open to interpretation. What has been translated into English from the original Greek as 'brethren' or 'sisters', in New Testament culture can also be used to refer to members of the wider family. Hence a male cousin may be called 'brother', for example. Therefore the text may possibly refer to brothers and sisters as we understand them, or it may not.
@@Jacquiandteddy correct but the entire basis of Mary's sanctity is founded on her being a virgin, which past the point of the immaculate conception is not proven. If she wasn't a virgin, what would happen to Catholicism which has distracted people from the entire purpose if the Gospel which is Jesus not Mary. Bless you for your response
Mary's perpetual virginity is a dogma of the church.
Thank you Father!
Joseph and Mary may have not made chocolate chip cookies, but God through them made the best cookies in the univerese. *extremely good*
I have never heard this before! What happens to older couples when one or both can no longer consummate the marriage? Does this apply to that situation?
This doesn't apply to anyone because it's all invented by the church to control people.
I think you just consumate the marriage once, after that it's just like renewing vows
don't be deceived into these doctrines. Although they're pleasing to your ears, the RCC is NOT the way to Christ. Study the scriptures and see the truth for itself. You'll see the RCC is contradictory to all Yeshua has taught.
In fact we can trace back the Roman Catholic religion right to its birth (note i am not referring to the Catholic/Christian church before its was made legal in Rome)
Rome was attacking the true followers of Christ, their persecution was terrible and they were being killed without hesitation. Yet the followers of Yeshua kept growing in spite of this genocide. In 300ad Constantine converted to "Christian" and made the roman state religion Christian. This however never stopped pagan Rome. Instead of Christianity taking over pagan Rome, pagan Rome adapted Christianity into itself. The Roman Catholic Church is NOT the Body of Christ. Its a counterfeit Christianity with a false Christ and false apostles. The statues you bow down to and pray to for help and guidance aren't even who you think they are.
We look back into history and pagan rome and after the "conversion" of Roman Emperor Constantine (its known he still worshipped the sun, hence why the day of worship was shifted to Sunday from Saturday((sabboth)) to adapt to his idolatry ) the temples of their pagna gods eventually were just re-skinned to fit the Christian look. this is where the Idol worship of the RCC came into, the statue Venus was eventually called "mother mary" and the statue Jupiter was changed to "Saint Peter" so on and so forth.
Study the scriptures. Do NOT ask of any guidance or help from this supposed "holy family" only GOD is holy and we are made holy thru HIM. Youve been given a helper, a teacher who cannot lie, a power, a will, a new life thru the HOLY SPIRIT.
repent from the RCC. it is a counterfeit christianity.
No.....once the couple marries and consummates one time, it counts for the whole marriage. A Mary and Joseph type of marriage would be one where they have not even consummated once since getting married
Thank you so much for this video, Father Mike, because it is necessary for debunking the two main tendencies of "Catholic" women nowadays.
On one side, nowadays there is an increased number of "Catholic" women educated in the culture of "sex is always a sin, including in marriage" and on every Catholic video abording the issue of sexuality in Catholicism and sexuality in the Catholic marriage, they always say "I want a sexless marriage, like the Mary and Joseph. I will never accept sex in my marriage".
On the other side, the large majority of "Catholic" women use sex as a commodity in marriages, exchanging sex for their husband's money, not as a loving embrace of the holy marriage with their husbands.
I really hope and wish this Father's Mike video finally debunks the deviated use of sex "Catholic" women make in their lives.
Interesting 🤔
humm need to discuss a few things father mike
A point I’m not sure was clearly expressed here regarding total impotence - marriage and the sexual act are fundamentally oriented toward procreation and raising a family. Marriage and the sexual act can still be oriented toward procreation even if conception does not seem possible (Abraham and Sarah are a good example of this). But if the sexual act is anatomically impossible, then the marriage cannot be oriented toward procreation (if the impotency can be treated/alleviated medically then this would not necessarily be a barrier).
This is where the chocolate chips come in - if the chocolate chips are missing, the baking can’t really be oriented toward making chocolate chip cookies. The ability to engage in the sexual act is not an arbitrary requirement for marriage, it is rooted in natural law.
And, now we see why Nietzsche said, "Christianity gave Eros poison to drink".
Just little sips, Eros, then swallow it whole.
Biblical discussion of whores and vigins, one extreme to the other, it's no wonder we think anything outside of missionary sex a perversion.
We ignore Matthew 13:55 which, in context, directly discusses Jesus family which would indicate a sexual marriage between Mary and Joseph because it's inconvenient to the "fully vigin" narrative.
We ignore Romans 1:3 and 2 Timothy 2:8; the terms "seed of David" because it, too, displaces our narrative of "fully virgin" to the backside of correct logic.
We do not see Matthew 1:25 and the word "til", "...he knew her not til...", least we destroy our narrative, right?
To say that Mary had sex would thus make her impure and since we know she was pure she had to have been a virgin, so, of course!
This logic defiles not only the married individual, but marital sex itself! It also defiles the intimacy of sex, the love made within the sexual act, and everything good about sex for the pure pleasure of sex, and touching, and initmate healing, and the playful intimacy that's supposed to be found in the friendship of marriage!
I think this might be because a lot of ppl in the Church just do not understand the power of the Holy Spirit nor of God as personal experience. If there were more personal experiences of either I don't think this type of narrative could be maintained by the Church any longer. Man alone defiles sex. The Holy Spirit purifies sex and wo/man.
Within a union God has put together, the Holy Spirit purifies both the man and the woman and their monogamous sex life.
If God blesses a union (man and man, man and woman, woman and woman), the union (whether man likes it or not) is blessed and sanctified by the Holy Spirit.
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Question about Sacrement of matrimony. Does a catholic CONVERT who is married before converting need to be married to a baptized person to receive the Sacrement of matrimony and take the eucharist? Thank you!
Thank you, but I wish you would've explained more of what made Joseph and Mary's relationship a marriage, rather than move onto the tangent of why a relationship w/o consummation is not matrimony.
I feel the same.
God instituted marriage between man and woman it also has to be civilly recognized within society. In days past marriages were arranged between the man the suitor and the woman's father or next male kin. Therefore marriages are civil contracts the exchange of vows before a witness finalizes the contract. As for civil divorce the marriage is no longer recognized by society but of course civil matters mean nothing to God which is what Jesus was saying about civil divorce. Therefore marriage is more than just a civil contract.
As for the consummation between the man and woman in order for the marriage to be recognized this is false. If the man and woman agree in abstaining from having sexual relations the marriage is still valid. It's only in a matter that one of the spouses want to have sexual relations but the other doesn't the validity of the marriage could be challenged.
St. Joseph and the Blessed Virgin Mary were married and their marriage was civilly recognized as well as recognized by God. They both entering into the marriage agreed to abstain from sexual relations so their marriage remained valid.
Not contesting anything of what you said, but I find it odd that marriages as you said have to be socially recognized when Scripture states, “What God put together let no man put asunder’. God puts it together…did not the Pharisees and others of Hesus’s day not ‘’socially accept’’ the claims of Jesus, yet God did this thing. Social acceptance had nothing to it.
Curious-so if they are not sacramentally married are they able to receive the Eucharist? But because their marriage is blessed by the church, they can still receive? Please no haters-I just want to know.
It all becomes clear once you realise that all of this was invented by the church to control people.
Matthew 12:46. Did Jesus have brothers? Matthew 12:48. Did Jesus deny his mother? He couldn’t have broken the fifth commandment. I thank you so much for your videos. Is it ok that I even ask this question? How about a follow up on this topic?
When Jesus called Mary "Woman" it is a title of honor.
Jesus had no biological brothers.
Under old culture and history, anyone under that side of House of David's line, any cousins, like John, would have been callef brothers, since there was no word for cousin.
I imagine Scott Hhan has covered both questions.
I'm not Catholic so I believe Jesus did have half Brothers because Mary and Joseph had kids but the Catholics believe in perpetual virginity
In Jesus did not make the fifth commandment because he was placing God above his mother and half Brothers
Read LUKE 14:26
Jesus’ brothers are mentioned in several Bible verses. Matthew 12:46, Luke 8:19, and Mark 3:31 say that Jesus’ mother and brothers came to see Him. The Bible tells us that Jesus had four brothers: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (Matthew 13:55). The Bible also tells us that Jesus had sisters, but they are not named or numbered (Matthew 13:56). In John 7:1-10, His brothers go on to the festival while Jesus stays behind. In Acts 1:14, His brothers and mother are described as praying with the disciples. Galatians 1:19 mentions that James was Jesus’ brother. The most natural conclusion of these passages is to interpret that Jesus had actual blood half-siblings.
Some Roman Catholics claim that these “brothers” were actually Jesus’ cousins. However, in each instance, the specific Greek word for “brother” is used. While the word can refer to other relatives, its normal and literal meaning is a physical brother. There was a Greek word for “cousin,” and it was not used. Further, if they were Jesus’ cousins, why would they so often be described as being with Mary, Jesus’ mother? There is nothing in the context of His mother and brothers coming to see Him that even hints that they were anyone other than His literal, blood-related, half-brothers.
A second Roman Catholic argument is that Jesus’ brothers and sisters were the children of Joseph from a previous marriage. An entire theory of Joseph’s being significantly older than Mary, having been previously married, having multiple children, and then being widowed before marrying Mary is invented without any biblical basis. The problem with this is that the Bible does not even hint that Joseph was married or had children before he married Mary. If Joseph had at least six children before he married Mary, why are they not mentioned in Joseph and Mary’s trip to Bethlehem (Luke 2:4-7) or their trip to Egypt (Matthew 2:13-15) or their trip back to Nazareth (Matthew 2:20-23)?
There is no biblical reason to believe that these siblings are anything other than the actual children of Joseph and Mary. Those who oppose the idea that Jesus had half-brothers and half-sisters do so, not from a reading of Scripture, but from a preconceived concept of the perpetual virginity of Mary, which is itself clearly unbiblical: “But he (Joseph) had no union with her (Mary) until she gave birth to a son. And he gave Him the name Jesus” (Matthew 1:25). Jesus had half-siblings, half-brothers and half-sisters, who were the children of Joseph and Mary. That is the clear and unambiguous teaching of God’s Word.
Are there two different sacraments of marriage? A primordial sacrament as demonstrated by Mary and Joseph and then an RCC sacrament after the incarnation? You said that the primordial marriage sacrament wasn't abolished by original sin or the great flood. Is the primordial marriage sacrament still in existence today? If so, which marriages of today would be an example of a primordial marriage sacrament?
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Why do you think that Mary and Joseph never consummated their marriage? In Matthew 1:25 it says that Joseph knew Mary not UNTIL Mary was delivered and the child was named. Later in Matthew 13:55 and again in Mark 6:3 it talks about Jesus having brothers and sisters within the context of "How can this guy have all of this wisdom and all these gifts? He comes from a family with father and mother, sisters and brothers just like anyone else." These seem to indicate that the marriage remained unconsummated only until after Jesus' birth.
What if only one person in the marriage is in a state of grace? And the other is not? Dos that make the embrace wrong or incomplete?....... I am experiencing this and it makes it hard to be both obedient and loving to my husband and take part properly in the embrace. There is a huge hesitancy on my heart. Almost like he is not fully present because he is not in a state of grace or even seeking to be. Incompleteness is the best I can describe the way that I feel. I don’t know how to explain this to my husband?
You shouldn't have to be obedient to your husband. You are his equal. Don't let Catholic dogma spoil your marriage.
And the Lord said to me: This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall pass through it: because the Lord the God of Israel hath entered in by it, and it shall be shut [3] For the prince. The prince himself shall sit in it, to eat bread before the Lord: he shall enter in by the way of the porch of the gate, and shall go out by the same way Ezekiel 44:2-4
I never understood why Joseph is often considered the role model for fathers and even masculinity. To be frank, most men aren't going to relate to the idea of marrying a woman and never being able to have sex with her. And Joseph stepped up and did the step-father thing admirably, but he couldn't have any kids with Mary. How do you think that looks to the average man, especially if he's not a hardcore Catholic?
What if as a person gets older and can't perform the sex act anymore after being married 40 years?
Are women with MRKH (vaginal agenesis) allowed to marry within the Catholic Church? Are people who are unable to consummate their marriage able to enter into a non sacramental catholic marriage?
If a married couple has entered into the sexual embrace, but then one of them is suddenly disabled, for example if they have to have their sexual organs amputated to save their life from cancer or something like that, so that they can no longer engage in the marital act, they are still married right?
Fr I submit that the consummation is prefigure the Trinity. The love of the father poured into the love of the and fruit, the child: Joseph, Jesus,and Mary the spouse of the Holy Spirit. The love of this Holy family consummated that Mary in Holy Ghost Fie all consuming fire!
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Would it not be more accurate to say “without the sexual embrace you cannot have a sacramental marriage”?
I sent this video to my husband so perhaps he will strive to be more sacramental. 😂
Another thing the ad on this video was about Polyamoury?!?! (Encouraging it.) Do you find this concerning?
Always ask questions. Talk to Jesus and Mary about your doubt’s. Don’t forget Jesus knows you will have doubt’s before you actually have them! Jesus knows what’s inside of you better than you do! Always ask your guardian angel to help you and to communicate with your family’s guardian angel’s. Look up padre Pio and the guardian angel’s. God bless. Praise Jesus and Mary always!!!
The fact that the Holy Family was constructed of 3 virgins ends up reinforcing the sense that the Church is not so fond of sex or thinks its somehow dirty or less than pure.
I'm an asexual Catholic who feels they were called to the vocation of the single life. Amusingly convenient
Can I ask how you came to know you were asexual? I'm curious because I wonder if I am the problem is I'm married with 3grown children and a very unhappy husband.
Good to know that there are more of us ✌... well single life or josephine marriage... 🤷♀️
don't be deceived into these doctrines. Although they're pleasing to your ears, the RCC is NOT the way to Christ. Study the scriptures and see the truth for itself. You'll see the RCC is contradictory to all Yeshua has taught.
In fact we can trace back the Roman Catholic religion right to its birth (note i am not referring to the Catholic/Christian church before its was made legal in Rome)
Rome was attacking the true followers of Christ, their persecution was terrible and they were being killed without hesitation. Yet the followers of Yeshua kept growing in spite of this genocide. In 300ad Constantine converted to "Christian" and made the roman state religion Christian. This however never stopped pagan Rome. Instead of Christianity taking over pagan Rome, pagan Rome adapted Christianity into itself. The Roman Catholic Church is NOT the Body of Christ. Its a counterfeit Christianity with a false Christ and false apostles. The statues you bow down to and pray to for help and guidance aren't even who you think they are.
We look back into history and pagan rome and after the "conversion" of Roman Emperor Constantine (its known he still worshipped the sun, hence why the day of worship was shifted to Sunday from Saturday((sabboth)) to adapt to his idolatry ) the temples of their pagna gods eventually were just re-skinned to fit the Christian look. this is where the Idol worship of the RCC came into, the statue Venus was eventually called "mother mary" and the statue Jupiter was changed to "Saint Peter" so on and so forth.
Study the scriptures. Do NOT ask of any guidance or help from this supposed "holy family" only GOD is holy and we are made holy thru HIM. Youve been given a helper, a teacher who cannot lie, a power, a will, a new life thru the HOLY SPIRIT.
repent from the RCC. it is a counterfeit christianity.
I have a problem with this. My father was a committed believer and Catholic, married to my beloved mother, for nearly 67 years until Covid took him aged 90 and 5 days.They had 4 children and were definitely married!!! In God's eyes.Marriage is so much more than the sexual embrace....they and he proved that....and in older years tenderness and sacrificial love were their most beautiful qualities....I'm concerned that Father Mike has not studied the sacrement of marriage sufficiently but of course i respect his observations and lovely in many ways.However I have cared for countless older couples in long marriages who for one reason or another...illness or old age are not fully intimate anymore but the beauty of their marriage is such a witness of Gods love and best plans for us in marriage as expressed in the love of Christ and his Church. Every good wish to you all.
If your parents had not had sex, neither you nor your siblings would have ever been born. Father Mike is talking about sexless marriages, never ever sex in the marriage, in any stage of the marriage, from the first day until the last without sex.
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Also, considering Isaac married Rebecca by sleeping with her, does that mean that sex can be done after you and her declaring your I do's and life long companionship, but without having a witness like a minister?
Remember that Isaac was under the old Mosaic laws. Pre Christ. The new covenant changed all that.
Considering that marriage is a sacrament, it would be illegitimate. They didn’t have sacraments in pre-Christ days.
How about the people who become incapable of intercourse during the marriage after consummations - like a war veteran or something - you saying he is not sacramentally married because he got injured and can no longer perform?
Father what if a Catholic marriage is consummated but then in time the husband no longer makes himself available. Does this marriage lose its sacramental values? Can the wife then seek an annulment?
This was so interesting but you speak so quickly was difficult to follow the first few minutes
No and no.
Ok, so… tell me if I’m getting this right. If the marriage is made sacramental and true by sexual intercourse, does that mean that the Josephite marriage is not true or sacramental? Like you mentioned that Joseph and Mary weren’t sacramentally married in the way we do it today because it didn’t exist back then.
Is it possible to have a fruitful (Josephite?) marriage without intercourse through the power of adoption? Starting a family through adoption while never consummating the marriage?
James?
What if after a certain amount of time neither partner is interested in sex anymore. To say a married couple who have been tohlgether for years but stop having sex means their marriage isn't a sacrement makes no sense.
Kinda like confession, the penance is the consummation of the sacrament?
Matt 8. 46-50 and Mark 3. 31-35 on The new relationships.
Jesus's mother and brethren come to speak with him, and he refuses, saying his mother and brethren are his disciples.
Wow that’s interesting, I wonder how she had James and all her other sons and daughters which are clearly mentioned in the Bible.
What if you have a sacramental marriage but your spouse becomes sexually unresponsive and you are living in a platonic relationship. What do you call that?