I love how Doom is such a simple game that anyone can pick up and play it immediately, yet it's so complex that people are still playing it over 25 years later and breaking new ground.
Romero said in an interview that TNT was designed to have so many hitscanners to fix the game bug that made partial invisibility a power-down instead of a power-up.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Invisibility is useless in lower skill levels, but with so much hitscanners, or nightmare difficulty, it is interesting choice, to be, or not to be invisible :-) Also, it requires a lots of skill to dodge those fast inaccurate missles, it is entirely different game. I wish those invisibility spheres will be more frequent.
@@milanpospisil8024 I would say with the partial invisibility the chance is much higher to get a wave or a bunch of hitscanners into infighting, because of the lack of a clear enemy target.
"I feel so naked without armour" - Little do we know, decino records every video completely butt-naked because he doesn't own a real-life suit of armour. Legend!
I did a UV-Fast playthrough of TNT when I saw your Plutonia playthrough and boy I was starting to regret it when I got to levels 7 and 8. If you're REALLY careful you can clear out the first room in map07 from a pistol start. You'll have to get a bit of infighting, pistoling off the little enemies, and perhaps some SIGIL-style baron pump shotgunning action to do that though. Then you can go through the portal and go to the right side and kill the cacodemon first while the hitscanners come in. You can also be cheeky with that teleporter there since monsters go through it, and telefrag them. I did this to that revenant by the edge there a few times! Map08 though feels like pure RNG with that damn starting area and wide open spaces. Stronghold is cool though. Tough as nails but a lot more fair since it's a bit closed in with plenty of spaces to hide in!
3:00 I'm glad someone said it. While tnt had some really good maps, some of them are just plain unfair due to the large number of hitscans placed 40 miles away from you. Plutonia is at least more forgiving in that regard since the maps are shorter. In TNT, you could play a level for 20 minutes but die because you got sniped by a chaingunner you couldn't even see.
@@eircK I would think pork or beef taste (hopefully pork.) I mean, it does not look reptilian and I have never seen a bird look so brawny like a pinky demon.
Thanks to these videos over the past few months I've had a few dreams where I'd be wall running and then realizing that I'm not moving in the correct cardinal direction to do so
metal is a really confusing map, thanks for showing us how to beat it ( i couldnt figure it out after about 30 minutes of messing around in the map) edit: i probably sound like an idiot for thinking this map is confusing but im just saying that it was for me.
Yeah UV-Fast Monsters is not too bad for Map09, but crank it up to nightmare, and holy shit is it damn near impossible! I've got to the green armor secret once without saving on nightmare, and I never noticed the linedef that opened up a ton of enemies leading up to the green armor secret. Yeah Map07 is brutal from a pistol start on fast monsters, and would've most likely been impossible without the invulnerability leading to the big cage secret. Nicely done buddy.
Watching your TNT and Plutonia runs gave me so much nostalgia. I remmember bits and parts of the maps from my childhood. Fun fact, where im from, we used to call cacodemons Strawberries instead of tomatoes.
I like the E1M2/E1M3 vibe in the yellow door part of Open Season. Similar, but just sort of updated for players who had overcome their fears in the originals. Brilliant bit of mapping there, for the time, imo.
I really love how TNT goes from maps 1-6, which are relatively easy, to map 7, which is very tough... To metal. The second hardest official Doom map behind Mt. Pain.
Your voice is so soothing. No joke I listen to your stuff and it helps me fall asleep which is weird since Doom is so high intensity and your skill level is so high.
@Agent 005 it's just not exactly straightforward to fix. You'd have to: a) change how engine handles collisions at its core (which could easily introduce new bugs or inconsistencies like breaking player movement mechanics or monster AI etc, that's pretty risky given their relatively short development time) b) increase projectile size (messes with game balance) c) make projectiles simply not as fast but still faster than normal (diminishes the impact of Nightmare mode) But yeah, I could still see how they could've said "great, even better then!" when the issue was brought up.
that map 9 run was insane, despite the fact you took it slowly. I guess the thing that makes it so crazy is the fact that most of the map makers in TNT clearly didn't take nightmare into consideration. I think that maps 19 and 27 are just as brutal so good luck on those I guess. btw is this the first time you've ever completed map 9 with fast monsters?
In all honesty, I thought you were initially less of your usual "let's get down to business" mood. But then you went Bony Bastard and Oopa mid map 06. Then it hit me like a truck..... I remember the next two maps! *facepalm* Well, at least I know you will be looking forward for your next dentist appointment after going through this TNT map segment!
39:17 behold, the most useless medikit in all of classic doom. There is a berserk right after it that you must grab in order to proceed. You can't go back the way you came.
I think the reason for the Imp corpse on what looks like a cafeteria table in Stronghold is that apparently the higher ranking demons, such as Hell Knights and Barons of Hell don't particularly like the lower rank demons like Imps and Pinkies, so it's not too out there that they'd eat them, which makes it surprising there was no surprise Knight or Baron there.
Funny. I was convinced that I never played TNT past first couple of levels plus notorious pyramid level with phantom key. And yet I remember playing every single level shown here.
Decino is like karl jobst, you touched on it but i think its super important and maybe the most important thing - you get what you see theres no click bait, theres no filler/fluff, and consistant product. Youre watching decino because your getting doom content. You watch zero master for the same thing - high level game play. You watch mt pain for the same thing - wad ranking. Big mac davis - level strategy. Theres no bs. Just raw content and if your a sub, you know what your getting when a new video drops. Karl jobst has the a lot of what you touched and hes the closest thing to what decino offers - cool calm and collected well articulated content about things you might know nothing about but they know how to explain and break down the things they talk about in a manner that you dont need to know, they fill in those questions you might have on your mind, during the video.
How painful was Map 08 Metal? A map I hate, but not my most hated, that honor goes to Map 21 Administration Center. Get ready for that Archvile jump for that Megasphere in Map 11, hope luck is on your side and make it on your first try.
MAP08 and MAP09 were the last maps out of the four commercial WADs to be completed on Nightmare, when Drew DeVore completed Metal in 2003 and Xit Vono did a 5:59 run of Stronghold in 2010, which Drew later beat that time in 2012 with his 4:18 run of that level.
When you said that you thought this game was harder than Plutonia, I was thinking, "No way", but now seeing the progression, I definitely get it. There seems to be more of a difficulty curve with TNT, whereas Plutonia is relatively static (Though endgame Plutonia is pretty ridiculous). Hitscan really is the worst in UV Fast.
Nightmare! attempt imagined Plutonia - So so many unfair hitscanners. Uh... No. TNT Evilution - 8:35 says hi and hitscanners are not that mandatory for BS
Perhaps Map 10 is one of my favorite maps in the mapset considering the good enemy placement and design. Am so glad I manage to get my first Compet-N record for this map, though it may need to get enemies to infighting and proper usage of the plasmagun to get the fastest time possible.
Fired up some Doom 2, set to Ultra Violence, made it through three levels before getting simulation sickness :( At least I can enjoy Decino's expert play
I can relate... Don't you hate when the stupid Doom guy hides behind a pillar and you are trapped in a cage? I'd also use cheats to get his ass. I don't know how someone kills him on fast ultraviolence otherwise.
One more experimental lab map: - Open Season And also military base maps: - Prison - Metal - Stronghold - Redemption After the events of TNT: Evilution are over, the Doomguy will be justified with complaining to the UAC when it comes to overlarge rooms in their recent new bases. Probably explains why they're small again in Doom 64 (and in case it's set after Evilution, Plutonia). By the way, the excessive amounts of Zombies in this game makes a whole lot of sad sense if you think of them all as the entirety of Io's fallen and possessed United States Space Marine Corps division.
Ahhh...the immortality sphere in the Prison level and there teleport into the area surrounded by hell knighs...I was curious how Decino will survive that, It was very hard in brutal doom. But I did not knew about the immortality :-) You tricked me, Decino :-)
Yep, projectiles can pass through walls in vanilla DOOM ports due to a bug in movement code when X or Y velocity are negative. The code only checks for positive velocities when determining which (if any) linedefs get crossed by moving objects.
27:31 - Decino: Two words: 'Me.' Me: .......yes? Side note: FAVORITE music in all of TNT Evilution is the track from this map: 'Into the Beast's Belly'. TH-camr Davester2296Covers does a FANTASTIC cover of this track and I cannot recommend it enough! Check it out and let me know what you think?
Map09 has very mixed opinions, but I personally find it a great journey of suspense... Esp when you get low on HP, hear zombies growling, knowing you can easily get shot at and die at any given moment Usually the 1st Map I think of when I remember TNT Evilution
Just a random comment here, Mr decino. I LIKE the name of the series - EVILUTION. It's clever, simple and clear. 😎 I hope that the maps work out for you. It may get a bit tricky? 👀 But what would I know? 🤔 All the best! 🦾 M
"Hope we dont take too much damage here"
Immediately takes max damage
Haha. I saw that in so many videos. Not only decinos. It's the dreaded SELF FULFILLING PROPHECY! 😂
@@tommy8058 I hope I don't get laid tonight ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@@ShaneOzouf that's a good one.👍😂
I love how Doom is such a simple game that anyone can pick up and play it immediately, yet it's so complex that people are still playing it over 25 years later and breaking new ground.
That's a really good way to describe it
Easy to learn, hard to master ...
The classics will never falter from age, for they will only grow stronger from it.
And if there's something that hasn't been found, just wait a bit, Zero Master will find something impossible.
In conclusion, Doom is eternal
Romero said in an interview that TNT was designed to have so many hitscanners to fix the game bug that made partial invisibility a power-down instead of a power-up.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Invisibility is useless in lower skill levels, but with so much hitscanners, or nightmare difficulty, it is interesting choice, to be, or not to be invisible :-) Also, it requires a lots of skill to dodge those fast inaccurate missles, it is entirely different game. I wish those invisibility spheres will be more frequent.
@@milanpospisil8024 I would say with the partial invisibility the chance is much higher to get a wave or a bunch of hitscanners into infighting, because of the lack of a clear enemy target.
I thought that was Plutonia's job....
Do you remeber which interview?
@@chlebicek3363 sorry, it was just a joke
"I feel so naked without armour" - Little do we know, decino records every video completely butt-naked because he doesn't own a real-life suit of armour. Legend!
I did a UV-Fast playthrough of TNT when I saw your Plutonia playthrough and boy I was starting to regret it when I got to levels 7 and 8. If you're REALLY careful you can clear out the first room in map07 from a pistol start. You'll have to get a bit of infighting, pistoling off the little enemies, and perhaps some SIGIL-style baron pump shotgunning action to do that though. Then you can go through the portal and go to the right side and kill the cacodemon first while the hitscanners come in. You can also be cheeky with that teleporter there since monsters go through it, and telefrag them. I did this to that revenant by the edge there a few times!
Map08 though feels like pure RNG with that damn starting area and wide open spaces. Stronghold is cool though. Tough as nails but a lot more fair since it's a bit closed in with plenty of spaces to hide in!
3:00
I'm glad someone said it. While tnt had some really good maps, some of them are just plain unfair due to the large number of hitscans placed 40 miles away from you.
Plutonia is at least more forgiving in that regard since the maps are shorter. In TNT, you could play a level for 20 minutes but die because you got sniped by a chaingunner you couldn't even see.
8:54 "Imagine doing this without invincibility"
*Invincibility starts wearing off*
Oh no...
I would never eat an imp. However I could be convinced to eat a pinky demon.
According to Doom 2016 codex entry they're considered a delicacy in hell, so you have a good taste.
Pinky probably tastes like chicken.
@@eircK
I would think pork or beef taste (hopefully pork.) I mean, it does not look reptilian and I have never seen a bird look so brawny like a pinky demon.
@@extragirth64 Definitely pork, they're like buff pigs
@@eircK no beef cus of how thick the pinkies are
24:16 Really great level design. Hiding the path to progress in a secret area.
It's official, Decino is getting all the sexy cosplayers at quake con
He owes Civvie11 now
but does he use -fast in bed?
@@mattj2217 he goes for 100% secrets, even in bed
Itll be hot girls wearing doom guy helmets all day hovering around him for sure
Decino should go ultra-violent Alpha Male on them. And if they know about his playthroughs they be like "hurt us plenty,daddy"
Two days in a row? You spoil us! This is going to be good.
Thanks to these videos over the past few months I've had a few dreams where I'd be wall running and then realizing that I'm not moving in the correct cardinal direction to do so
Never been able to beat doom on ultra violence with fast monsters. You make it look easy.
Metal is definitely a level where you need to prove your mettle.
Gratuitous puns aside, you have some great strategies in these maps.
Levels 7 trough 9 are just sounds of lamas copulating for 20 mins.
Maybe imps are demonically corrupted llamas... 🤔
Ever thought of them that way?
TNT Developer No.1 : How many hitscanners do we want to put in those levels? / Whole TNT Crue : Yes
Can't wait to see Peter do NM100S of Map 9! :P
Whew, Evilution is absolutely merciless on the fast monster setting! I'm loving watching you show TNT who's boss
Finally! I've been waiting almost 24 hours ^^
Good solid work once again Decino. Seeing these glorious TNT maps is like pulling on my old favourite hoody! 👍
Prison is probably my most memorable level from TNT besides that weird torch-platform-jump thing from the final level.
metal is a really confusing map, thanks for showing us how to beat it ( i couldnt figure it out after about 30 minutes of messing around in the map)
edit: i probably sound like an idiot for thinking this map is confusing but im just saying that it was for me.
So you're gonna hang out with Civvie 11 at Quakecon, right?
Yeah UV-Fast Monsters is not too bad for Map09, but crank it up to nightmare, and holy shit is it damn near impossible! I've got to the green armor secret once without saving on nightmare, and I never noticed the linedef that opened up a ton of enemies leading up to the green armor secret. Yeah Map07 is brutal from a pistol start on fast monsters, and would've most likely been impossible without the invulnerability leading to the big cage secret. Nicely done buddy.
@15:44 did you just.... (that actually made my day, thanks)
Watching your TNT and Plutonia runs gave me so much nostalgia. I remmember bits and parts of the maps from my childhood. Fun fact, where im from, we used to call cacodemons Strawberries instead of tomatoes.
42:00 "Looks like meat is back on the menu boys!"
ARBY'S! We have the meats! (Here in the US ARBY'S is a fast food chain with too much meat on the menu)
@@a4yster yea i know arby's, I was just referencing lotr though
I like the E1M2/E1M3 vibe in the yellow door part of Open Season. Similar, but just sort of updated for players who had overcome their fears in the originals. Brilliant bit of mapping there, for the time, imo.
I really love how TNT goes from maps 1-6, which are relatively easy, to map 7, which is very tough...
To metal. The second hardest official Doom map behind Mt. Pain.
Thing I love about all these maps with gunners is the 'gibbing' potential. One rocket can pop so many in a red mist. Its glorious.
Stronghold is the map that solidified my love for Doom and still my favorite commercial level
Love it! Great playthroughs. Love your interpretation of the "monster break room" :)
Your voice is so soothing. No joke I listen to your stuff and it helps me fall asleep which is weird since Doom is so high intensity and your skill level is so high.
i'm always hype for your videos lmao 😂😍
I really like the sort of map where there're lots of the low-tier enemies and they use mid-to-high tier enemies sparingly.
Almost getting out of breath just watching this haha! Trap after trap after trap, all filled with hit scanners. Damn..good job!
It was a nice run, can't wait to see the secret levels gameplay.
I don't think id did a lot of testing for Fast Monsters. Projectiles go through walls sometimes? Ehh, let the players deal with it :p
They do tell you that Nightmare isn't even remotely fair when you try to select it.
@Agent 005 it's just not exactly straightforward to fix. You'd have to:
a) change how engine handles collisions at its core (which could easily introduce new bugs or inconsistencies like breaking player movement mechanics or monster AI etc, that's pretty risky given their relatively short development time)
b) increase projectile size (messes with game balance)
c) make projectiles simply not as fast but still faster than normal (diminishes the impact of Nightmare mode)
But yeah, I could still see how they could've said "great, even better then!" when the issue was brought up.
that map 9 run was insane, despite the fact you took it slowly. I guess the thing that makes it so crazy is the fact that most of the map makers in TNT clearly didn't take nightmare into consideration. I think that maps 19 and 27 are just as brutal so good luck on those I guess. btw is this the first time you've ever completed map 9 with fast monsters?
In all honesty, I thought you were initially less of your usual "let's get down to business" mood. But then you went Bony Bastard and Oopa mid map 06. Then it hit me like a truck..... I remember the next two maps! *facepalm* Well, at least I know you will be looking forward for your next dentist appointment after going through this TNT map segment!
39:17 behold, the most useless medikit in all of classic doom. There is a berserk right after it that you must grab in order to proceed. You can't go back the way you came.
Great job! Waiting for the next parts... Good luck for Mount Pain!
Metal might be a bit BS but Into the Beast's Belly is one of the best tracks in all of Doom. That music pretty much redeems the map completely.
I think the reason for the Imp corpse on what looks like a cafeteria table in Stronghold is that apparently the higher ranking demons, such as Hell Knights and Barons of Hell don't particularly like the lower rank demons like Imps and Pinkies, so it's not too out there that they'd eat them, which makes it surprising there was no surprise Knight or Baron there.
Funny. I was convinced that I never played TNT past first couple of levels plus notorious pyramid level with phantom key. And yet I remember playing every single level shown here.
Decino is like karl jobst, you touched on it but i think its super important and maybe the most important thing - you get what you see theres no click bait, theres no filler/fluff, and consistant product.
Youre watching decino because your getting doom content.
You watch zero master for the same thing - high level game play.
You watch mt pain for the same thing - wad ranking.
Big mac davis - level strategy.
Theres no bs. Just raw content and if your a sub, you know what your getting when a new video drops.
Karl jobst has the a lot of what you touched and hes the closest thing to what decino offers - cool calm and collected well articulated content about things you might know nothing about but they know how to explain and break down the things they talk about in a manner that you dont need to know, they fill in those questions you might have on your mind, during the video.
When you scan through the comments and it brings back memories of conversations through school about Doom and talking to people about certain levels
I was wrong. I actually remember things from this pack beyond Hanger. Guess I kept playing after all. I don't remember being such a glutton for pain.
love these playthroughs, perfect to watch while eating
How painful was Map 08 Metal? A map I hate, but not my most hated, that honor goes to Map 21 Administration Center. Get ready for that Archvile jump for that Megasphere in Map 11, hope luck is on your side and make it on your first try.
A bit painful, but I struggled more with MAP07 believe it or not.
Greetings Decino. I liked your video.
MAP08 and MAP09 were the last maps out of the four commercial WADs to be completed on Nightmare, when Drew DeVore completed Metal in 2003 and Xit Vono did a 5:59 run of Stronghold in 2010, which Drew later beat that time in 2012 with his 4:18 run of that level.
Times of each level:
MAP07: 6:55
MAP08: 20:26
MAP09: 30:49
MAP10: 42:45
Demons have to cheat to stop decino smh.
I always loved the background on the level complete screen in TNT
The soundtrack to "Metal" is fuckin' jamming! Thanks for uploading!
1:13 did that Mancubus almost rail you through the wall?
Yeesh. Fast monsters, man...
They do that even without the fast parameter. Nasty creatures.
@@decino Such meanieheads! :C Oh well, this is what the supershotgun is for.
When you said that you thought this game was harder than Plutonia, I was thinking, "No way", but now seeing the progression, I definitely get it. There seems to be more of a difficulty curve with TNT, whereas Plutonia is relatively static (Though endgame Plutonia is pretty ridiculous). Hitscan really is the worst in UV Fast.
I can't wait for Central Processing. Probably the only map in Doom that I hate with all my heart, or at least the second part of it.
1:13 nice damage RNG manipulation for the perfect health percent. 30:41 nice damage RNG manipulation for the epic armor percent
Honest question, Decino. Is Peter gonna play Final Doom on Nightmare? Im not counting on it. I prefer a mentally healthy human being...
He's not interested in Final Doom.
THIS. Decino and Peter's videos are absolute blast fun, but, I was worried after seeing Peter's E4M1 comment. Uggh.
pequtrun what did he say?
Map 08 Metal: Mount Pain lite
Diet Pain.
well played decino
Nightmare! attempt imagined
Plutonia - So so many unfair hitscanners. Uh... No.
TNT Evilution - 8:35 says hi and hitscanners are not that mandatory for BS
You should pirouette-punch the exit imp :D
Perhaps Map 10 is one of my favorite maps in the mapset considering the good enemy placement and design. Am so glad I manage to get my first Compet-N record for this map, though it may need to get enemies to infighting and proper usage of the plasmagun to get the fastest time possible.
second my favorite doom wad
Watching Decino play these levels looks so easy until you boot it up for yourself
Yeah !! You play tnt!! That was my first wad.
We just picked up TNT to play and stream in co-op. It is so much fun to play!
With the fast monsters flag on, Pinkies and Lost Souls become the most scary enemies to deal with...
very cool epic thanks
Fired up some Doom 2, set to Ultra Violence, made it through three levels before getting simulation sickness :( At least I can enjoy Decino's expert play
playing map06 is like making swiss cheese out of your own fingers
I can relate...
Don't you hate when the stupid Doom guy hides behind a pillar and you are trapped in a cage? I'd also use cheats to get his ass. I don't know how someone kills him on fast ultraviolence otherwise.
17:30 WHAT !?! that projectile no clipped ! that got a laugh out of me
One more experimental lab map:
- Open Season
And also military base maps:
- Prison
- Metal
- Stronghold
- Redemption
After the events of TNT: Evilution are over, the Doomguy will be justified with complaining to the UAC when it comes to overlarge rooms in their recent new bases. Probably explains why they're small again in Doom 64 (and in case it's set after Evilution, Plutonia).
By the way, the excessive amounts of Zombies in this game makes a whole lot of sad sense if you think of them all as the entirety of Io's fallen and possessed United States Space Marine Corps division.
25:48 shoot first ask questions later, fucking love it
Ahhh...the immortality sphere in the Prison level and there teleport into the area surrounded by hell knighs...I was curious how Decino will survive that, It was very hard in brutal doom. But I did not knew about the immortality :-) You tricked me, Decino :-)
i love the atmosphere in map 06
5:38 It's an imp dispenser! :3
Yep, projectiles can pass through walls in vanilla DOOM ports due to a bug in movement code when X or Y velocity are negative. The code only checks for positive velocities when determining which (if any) linedefs get crossed by moving objects.
You would fight against the hordes of hell in real life and fucking win, not from strength or anything but sheer skill alone
17:29 - _Revenge of the Blockmap's Fiery Vengeance_ (in Stereo!)
Obnoxious chain gunners are the worst!
Hope you'll play Alien vendetta next
I play it right now and it is quite difficult in the last 3rd of the game. Map 'The Dark Dome' is brutal.😂
22:03 who ever dares say the partial invis is a power-down now?!
27:31 - Decino: Two words: 'Me.'
Me: .......yes?
Side note: FAVORITE music in all of TNT Evilution is the track from this map: 'Into the Beast's Belly'. TH-camr Davester2296Covers does a FANTASTIC cover of this track and I cannot recommend it enough! Check it out and let me know what you think?
It's pretty hecking good, but nothing beats his cover of "Trigger" from the Plutonia midi pack.
Map09 has very mixed opinions, but I personally find it a great journey of suspense...
Esp when you get low on HP, hear zombies growling, knowing you can easily get shot at and die at any given moment
Usually the 1st Map I think of when I remember TNT Evilution
iirc map09 was the last official map to get a nightmare clear and took eons to finally complete.
must have taken me around 20 tries to beat Stronghold on UV. doing it on fast is absolutely insane.
Just a random comment here, Mr decino. I LIKE the name of the series - EVILUTION. It's clever, simple and clear. 😎
I hope that the maps work out for you. It may get a bit tricky? 👀
But what would I know? 🤔 All the best! 🦾 M
The hitscan is ridiculous 😂
At 40:08 what is that sound, it doesn't sound like the normal death sound effects in Doom, or am I mistaken?
It's the sound of a door closing.
Oh. I guess it just sounded kind of strange to me with all the other sounds mixing in that moment. Makes sense.
Are you planning on doing these 100% runs with Hexen and Heretic?
Nop.
Creeper, awwww man
The final section in Stronghold reminds me... Silent Refectory from Hexen.
flame boi
I think "Dumb section" should be an alternate title to final Doom
"Prison" Appropriately titled