As much as I'm ambivalent towards the character, I have to say I do love that they did an entire character/subfaction about the 'when the fat lady sings' joke.
You'd think in the Warhammer World where undead, demons, and monsters are a common fact of the world anyone who was like "Guys we're on a legendary ghost ship!" you'd take him on his word.
@@djn6962 Oh your talking about that. I thought you meant this situation with the raiders. Anyway, they crew isn't dead. Well not dead dead. They've come back. And knowing that the undead do interact with other factions of undead, and knowing how pirates were in real life, and being a sailor myself, I'll infer someone will talk, in great detail. Sailors will talk the ear off of anyone who'll listen. Even maybe a captured enemy who was released or survived. Hell, other undead from factions that may crew with the living. I know most of a ships the crew are mindless zombie. And that's true in the Warhammer world as well. Lol But there are some who are sentient-ish who may do this. Its pure speculation on my part of course but even if these details aren't said the real world should be enough to fill in the gaps.
I don't think the Phoenix King wanting to see Cylostra is farfetched at all. He might be generally curious if the best human singer could compare to an elven one or then they might just be interested seeing the lesser race perform and laugh at it, much like people used to go to the circus to laugh at animals performing tricks.
The Bretonnians were the first Humans that Finubar made contact with and he was highly impressed with their civilization compared to what he had expected to find. He had expected half naked tribesmen living in mud huts and instead found soaring spires, minarets and a unified kingdom dominating a good quarter of the Old World. He was quite impressed with the Bretonnians at the time, and it would not surprise me at if he invited Direfin later. Though probably not to the same degree, the High Elves may share something like the quasi paternal feeling that the Dwarfs have towards the Empire for Bretonnia. In the Dark Elves sourcebook it specifically mentions that the Bretonnians have aided the High Elves in battle many times, enough to anger Malakiths and get him to orchestrate a full scale invasion against them in retribution. In either the High Elf or Bretonnian army book a Prince of Caledor fought alongside a King of Bretonnia against Beastmen at one point. The High Elves were highly impressed by the King and his Grail Knights and praised their fighting ability's directly, something unheard of for high elves, much less Caledorians of all people to do towards humans. (Though of course, how human Grail Knights are is up for debate) Though its only a few lines here or there what lore we have on the interactions between High Elves and Bretonnia suggests that their relationship is quite warm. Edit: Its also worth noting that in the versions where they age at all, Grail Knights live longer than most Dwarfs, and elves while living longer than Dwarfs don't exactly consider them short lived. Elves may feel a lot more comfortable dealing with Bretonnia since they are led by a quasi immortal Grail King and an actually immortal Fey Enchantress along with many long lived Dukes and other members of government who are also Grail Knights. They aren't constantly worrying that the next ruler or his cabinet will be some kind of weakling or crazy person like they are with the Empire. A considerable amount of the Bretonnian top brass have inhuman lifespans, and when a Grail Knight meets a High Elf Noble to parley from the High Elves perspective its probably a lot closer to speaking with a mildly boorish elf than it is with a human.
It means she had a God Worthy Voice!!!! That's how good she was I mean it's the fucking Fenix King asking for an audience. He must have been told from an eleven travelar otherwise he wouldn't believe it. & if she's that good to impress an elf I totally believe she'd could come back as an immortal singing being.. I mean what if she was gifted with an incredible voice by a primordial power ?
I kind of want there to be Vampire Fleet Captains with the names of these raiders from this story. As kind of closure to what we probably could tell happened.
Somehow, a fat bretonnian singer rubs me the wrong way xD But... despite that, deep down, I know it's totally the kind of character you'd find in the Wh universe...
Im not an expert, but I guess fat people probably have a louder and fuller voice. So as elves cannot be fat, the phoenix king needs a human singer. Plothole solved
and the ulfwanians were saved the piercing of their tender ears. But,it came to pass that the syreens choir would have the last laugh...muahahaha choruses "The entry of the guests" will had mad sea things to title.
I would prefer her being Strigany that gained patronage of Bretonnian king. Thus she would have innate skills in necromancy rather than it being given to her. Like this it seems like the only she brings into her pact with Stromfels is her oversized ego. But like this Stromfels gets himself undead followers out of helping her out.
Crossil I personally find the idea that Stromfel was the one who raised her from the dead a bit weird since it’s not really in his wheelhouse... there is another god that would’ve fitted much better IMO. I’m writing my own fan fiction that delves more into the events of her life in Bretonnia which hopefully provides more fitting reasons for why she’s so vengeful... I’ll put it up on total forum when its done.
Personally her lore feels weak. It doesn’t interest me. It was a bold move creating an original character when there are so many existing characters suitable for the role.
Who were better? Harkon? A man extremely loyal to Harkon and doesnt have his own ship? Vangeist? A ghost bound to do Noctilus' will? Skratch half-dead or the Chaos dwarf? Both part of Noctilus' crew and wont betray him This was the right move, it was bold but it also opens up a LOT of doors for future content
If they can make Saltspite a vampire faction (changing her lore) they could have changed vangheists lore and made him an independent faction... Anyway, I’ll wait for modders to fix saltspites faction and remove direfin, before buying this DLC
@@djn6962 they dident make saltspite a Vampire...they just said she needed a more resiliant crew and hasvampire first mates helping her out... (Also in a bonus book of Dreadfleet, Aranessa actually gets turned into a vampire by noctilus... so even that would not have been a stretch)
I didn’t say she was a vampire, I said she leading a vampire faction. I am actually aware of that expansion, and it honestly just disappoints me more that they didn’t commit to making her full on camp then. I’ll take a mod that either makes her faction human, or makes her a vamp. Either would be more lore friendly than what we got
Vangheist would have been great and it can easily be explained. After years of being under Noctilus control Vangheist had finally found freedom and his own calling, no longer shall he be a puppet but a master of the sea. His whole thing could be about proving he is a better than Noctilus.
As much as I'm ambivalent towards the character, I have to say I do love that they did an entire character/subfaction about the 'when the fat lady sings' joke.
You'd think in the Warhammer World where undead, demons, and monsters are a common fact of the world anyone who was like "Guys we're on a legendary ghost ship!" you'd take him on his word.
Well I don't think most people know that there are vampires and demons, as most people don't survive the encounter and few people ever travel much
My question is... if everyone on the Lamprey died... who passed on this story with such perfect detail? 🤔
@@djn6962 Maybe she lets one live to tell the tale like Salazar from the newest Pirates of the Caribbean.
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According to the story, the storm killed everyone on the ship.... so I’m not sure anyone survived
@@djn6962 Oh your talking about that. I thought you meant this situation with the raiders. Anyway, they crew isn't dead. Well not dead dead. They've come back. And knowing that the undead do interact with other factions of undead, and knowing how pirates were in real life, and being a sailor myself, I'll infer someone will talk, in great detail. Sailors will talk the ear off of anyone who'll listen. Even maybe a captured enemy who was released or survived. Hell, other undead from factions that may crew with the living. I know most of a ships the crew are mindless zombie. And that's true in the Warhammer world as well. Lol But there are some who are sentient-ish who may do this. Its pure speculation on my part of course but even if these details aren't said the real world should be enough to fill in the gaps.
I don't think the Phoenix King wanting to see Cylostra is farfetched at all. He might be generally curious if the best human singer could compare to an elven one or then they might just be interested seeing the lesser race perform and laugh at it, much like people used to go to the circus to laugh at animals performing tricks.
The Bretonnians were the first Humans that Finubar made contact with and he was highly impressed with their civilization compared to what he had expected to find. He had expected half naked tribesmen living in mud huts and instead found soaring spires, minarets and a unified kingdom dominating a good quarter of the Old World. He was quite impressed with the Bretonnians at the time, and it would not surprise me at if he invited Direfin later. Though probably not to the same degree, the High Elves may share something like the quasi paternal feeling that the Dwarfs have towards the Empire for Bretonnia.
In the Dark Elves sourcebook it specifically mentions that the Bretonnians have aided the High Elves in battle many times, enough to anger Malakiths and get him to orchestrate a full scale invasion against them in retribution. In either the High Elf or Bretonnian army book a Prince of Caledor fought alongside a King of Bretonnia against Beastmen at one point. The High Elves were highly impressed by the King and his Grail Knights and praised their fighting ability's directly, something unheard of for high elves, much less Caledorians of all people to do towards humans. (Though of course, how human Grail Knights are is up for debate)
Though its only a few lines here or there what lore we have on the interactions between High Elves and Bretonnia suggests that their relationship is quite warm.
Edit: Its also worth noting that in the versions where they age at all, Grail Knights live longer than most Dwarfs, and elves while living longer than Dwarfs don't exactly consider them short lived. Elves may feel a lot more comfortable dealing with Bretonnia since they are led by a quasi immortal Grail King and an actually immortal Fey Enchantress along with many long lived Dukes and other members of government who are also Grail Knights. They aren't constantly worrying that the next ruler or his cabinet will be some kind of weakling or crazy person like they are with the Empire. A considerable amount of the Bretonnian top brass have inhuman lifespans, and when a Grail Knight meets a High Elf Noble to parley from the High Elves perspective its probably a lot closer to speaking with a mildly boorish elf than it is with a human.
It means she had a God Worthy Voice!!!! That's how good she was I mean it's the fucking Fenix King asking for an audience. He must have been told from an eleven travelar otherwise he wouldn't believe it. & if she's that good to impress an elf I totally believe she'd could come back as an immortal singing being.. I mean what if she was gifted with an incredible voice by a primordial power ?
@Edda233. That was a nice tidbit of lore, thanks for that.
You really are a brilliant storyteller. I love your Cylostra voice :D
My Word!
*Now all we need is a "Surtha Ek the Chariot God" Legendary Lord pack!*
Would be nice if he would be FLC for Norsca, a mung guy and a kurgan guy
Beyond your comprehension
Half Blind Barry should have sounded the alarm... Last time they ever trust that eyeless bastard.
Serves him right. He's down there with Cross-Eyed Pete and Cataract Clark.
Loved the voice, nice blend of queen of england mickey mouse and Mrs Doubtfire
I just want to say I'm so happy you are back. Your videos are top tier¡¡
I kind of want there to be Vampire Fleet Captains with the names of these raiders from this story. As kind of closure to what we probably could tell happened.
Much, much better. The gaps, in the majority, were filled in.
im way to dyslextic to read all this storys form Warhammer so big thanks for this and all your other lore video's.
If Cylostra's voice isn't like yours, I will be disappointed.
I bet Symbals is the name she gave to her Mount that is a Giant Crab
well this more or less clears up my problems with her and i think i am all game for her as a "fun" rather then badass character
I love the sound effects dude! Great work can you do more? :D
I fucking love the voice that you used for Cylostra, dude! That shit was absolutely fucking _hilarious_!
Keep up the great work, brother!
I think they have said that 'cymbals' the monkey is the adviser in the vampire coast campaign
Not bad short and to the point, Ca should have lead with this when they first introduced her, to not make her stand out so much.
Thank you for reading this man it was great
Somehow, a fat bretonnian singer rubs me the wrong way xD
But... despite that, deep down, I know it's totally the kind of character you'd find in the Wh universe...
This backstory makes the character seem less lackluster in lore, which is very good. Although I'm personally still not a fan of her.
Very good fun
Bravo! Bravo!
Im not an expert, but I guess fat people probably have a louder and fuller voice. So as elves cannot be fat, the phoenix king needs a human singer.
Plothole solved
Awesome vid dude! Love your content!
Archaon Everchosen " how's that conquest of the old world going ?"
So... how the hell does anyone know the story if all on board drowned? Did Cylostra tell someone?
(I know this is literally every ghost pirate story)
Man even in total war game she is scary.
Good video
and the ulfwanians were saved the piercing of their tender ears. But,it came to pass that the syreens choir would have the last laugh...muahahaha choruses "The entry of the guests" will had mad sea things to title.
I would prefer her being Strigany that gained patronage of Bretonnian king. Thus she would have innate skills in necromancy rather than it being given to her. Like this it seems like the only she brings into her pact with Stromfels is her oversized ego. But like this Stromfels gets himself undead followers out of helping her out.
Crossil I personally find the idea that Stromfel was the one who raised her from the dead a bit weird since it’s not really in his wheelhouse... there is another god that would’ve fitted much better IMO. I’m writing my own fan fiction that delves more into the events of her life in Bretonnia which hopefully provides more fitting reasons for why she’s so vengeful... I’ll put it up on total forum when its done.
Warhammer in later editions started to get some silly lore. But that was really, really bad. (not the reading, the text).
I just read through it, and it even has grammar mistakes...
It’s some of the worst writing since the end times... I hope she is optional....
Or I’ll just wait for modders to mod her out f the game.
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First!
This lore is all wrong, they changed it completely from her bio back in 6th edition!
Umm... What?
She's an original CA character...
@@SkorpionMarauder no way, she used to be named Grom the Paunch and was in the Orcs and Goblins Armybook back in the day. Pepperage Farms remembers!
link? :O
@@IDontKnowYouWhoAreYou warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Grom_the_Paunch
@The Ghost of Flekk Bone Gnawer What do you mean? They look exactly the same.
Personally her lore feels weak. It doesn’t interest me. It was a bold move creating an original character when there are so many existing characters suitable for the role.
Who were better? Harkon? A man extremely loyal to Harkon and doesnt have his own ship?
Vangeist? A ghost bound to do Noctilus' will?
Skratch half-dead or the Chaos dwarf? Both part of Noctilus' crew and wont betray him
This was the right move, it was bold but it also opens up a LOT of doors for future content
If they can make Saltspite a vampire faction (changing her lore) they could have changed vangheists lore and made him an independent faction...
Anyway, I’ll wait for modders to fix saltspites faction and remove direfin, before buying this DLC
@@djn6962 they dident make saltspite a Vampire...they just said she needed a more resiliant crew and hasvampire first mates helping her out...
(Also in a bonus book of Dreadfleet, Aranessa actually gets turned into a vampire by noctilus... so even that would not have been a stretch)
I didn’t say she was a vampire, I said she leading a vampire faction. I am actually aware of that expansion, and it honestly just disappoints me more that they didn’t commit to making her full on camp then. I’ll take a mod that either makes her faction human, or makes her a vamp. Either would be more lore friendly than what we got
Vangheist would have been great and it can easily be explained.
After years of being under Noctilus control Vangheist had finally found freedom and his own calling, no longer shall he be a puppet but a master of the sea.
His whole thing could be about proving he is a better than Noctilus.