Just to add to this; I fixed a Yamaha KX-130 with a similar counter belt problem. The belt snapped and left sticky black goo all over the tiny sensor by the right capstan. The black goo made the deck think the tape was not moving. cleaned it all up with 99% isopropyl and removed the remnants of the belt. All fixed up, runs fine. Interestingly the sensor looks for a bright/dark/bright pattern as the right capstan moves. Thanks for this vid, it put me on the right track re: counter belt.
I recently worked on a Pioneer CT-F700. A monster cassette deck. It needed 4 new belts I think plus the rubber on the idler pulleys needed rejuvenated.
I would dab some white lithium grease on a qtip and lube all those mechanisms where parts are sliding.. That would quiet some of the moving parts down, as I'm sure the 30yr old grease once there is long gone. Tape decks can be a real PITA. 😅 At least you got it working again. 👍
As for the deck 2 issue : There's a solenoid that is in charge of moving that white gear .In my Yamaha deck tape it was stuck at "on" position because one of its leads touched the other .I had to put a tiny piece of shrink/insulator to make sure they won't touch again and problem solved . My guess is that when you disassembled it - it moved and came back to life .If the issue returns - take a look at that solenoid .
Good fix Aidan👍 I think you got lucky using brake cleaner 😮but you got it working. A thorough cleaning of the drive system may be in order. Nice video, see ya next time.
Good job! Those melted belts are a real PITA. I've repaired two dozen or more old decks, cassette, R/R and even 8 tracks. The melted belts are surely the worst thing to see when you pop the top, but nearly always it means the deck is still mechanically sound.
I have a Yamaha KX-1200U and the main drive belt “melted” just like the tape counter belt in your video. I tried everything, except brake cleaner, to clean it and it was a total pain. Wish I had seen your video first. Nicely done!
It's a good idea to clean the capstan (that controls the tape speed) and pinch rollers as well, so the tape won't stick to them, and wrinkle. Next up, adjust the tape speed, and align the head azimuth!
@@CDJF1 I'm on the fence about this. With 2 head decks, the head will demagnitize itself when recording due to the high frequency (~100kHz) bias signal passing through it. I've never seen any objective evidence, only "it sounded better after". The rest doesn't really hold a magnetic field for long.
I'm so glad you made this video! I am having the same problem with a portable tape deck of mine and now I know what to look for when I open it up. 😀❤️ Have an awesome rest of your weekend!!
I've seen belts do that before. I found a couple outlets that sold various size belts in a mixed bag. Some wide and some round. Found them on Ebay. My tape deck from the 70's turned out to be the main drive motor. The shaft was very slow to turn. I should have used a light oil on it but me.. I had to take it apart. Getting those brushes back in place was impossible and now the motor turns but no tourque. So I'm looking for a new motor for my Denon. Good Video. Thanks.
Exactly what happened to my 262 Got it at the thrift store and put in a test tape just in case. It came out with the band full of that goo. And counter not working. I opened it and no belt at the counter. Will go in now and clean that up. Goo on the rollers and all. More messy than yours. Thanks for the video.
Mine had the same issues. Same thing with the gear and tape counter. I couldn't get the bside to engage. I think it was missing something. The one side sounds great though. I'm OK with that
Hi, thanks for the video. I found a Yamaha kx-w492 and I'm planning to buy it. The owner said it works well but on occasions the tape doesn't start moving. He says that if he hits stop and then play again the problem fixes. I was thinking it could be a belt related issue. Do you think that's what it is? This certainly helps me know where to look! Any advice would be welcomed!
Clear bright white plastic is often nylon, and will not easily becoming brittle. The older stuff that becomes yellow is often bad. Using solvents is safer if you try some first on a small spot, and observe if it will not take the shine off the plastic. If not, you can soak the wheel for a few minutes, and use a brush. I think I would try white spirit (like terpentine) here.
Doesn't brake cleaner dissolve plastic? I think I would use alcohol. And should you maybe use just a tiny amount of white lithium grease on the small gears before you put it all back together? And FYI, on eBay you can buy an assorted pack of 50 cassette deck belts for about $8
TH-cam deleted my comment on a great source for belts, you tube is a pain in the butt. Turn table needles, all one word, every belt I have bought from this small company in Corvallis Oregon has been perfect.
I've used these guys for at least 20 years. Had a problem with just two orders and they corrected things for me. There's another guy in Colorado who sells belts, bulbs, etc...can't remember his info at this moment.
@@henrychinaski5223 Thanks for the comment Henry! On my last order with turntableneedles, I was in a bind and they let me come pick it up rather than wait several days on shipping. I live only 40 minutes out of Corvallis. They are really nice to deal with, and take pains to make sure you understand how to get the right belt the first time.
@@insolentstickleback3266 I agree! Sometimes I wish I was still in Sheridan, but here I am many states east of Oregon so I wait on snail mail for the belts I need.
Misread the title, thought it was a 1970s Yammie. Was hoping to see a Wedge. Still, that was a weird one, eh? The fluke belt jam and the 'magic' fix. You get to see it all, don't ya?
What you could’ve done is got a toothbrush and sprayed some of the brake cleaner on it to remove the sticky residue from the gearing on the tape deck clean all the capstans end pinch rollers
Acetone & plastic = 🚫 especially if it's ABS type plastic, it'll melt & totally ruin it. I would try some Isopropyl alcohol, 91% which should clean it up well.
99.9 percent Alcohol will melt the goo effortlessly. Ultrasonic cleaner with 99 alcohol. Watching people struggle cleaning goo is hard for me to watch. I just smashed a casette deck because it would not work properly after 3 days of effort. I have no love for tapes.
So just fill a jar with 99% isopropyl and then put the gooey gears in there then set that in the tank of your ultrasonic cleaner? I have dealt with a few of these and have nightmares cleaning with isopropyl (not sure if I used 99% or not) and q-tips and paper towels by hand. Took me 4 or 5 hours over multiple days to clean the goo from the transport of a Nak CR-3A. But seeing as I got it for $50 and it looks and works excellent now it was a good deal.
Just to add to this; I fixed a Yamaha KX-130 with a similar counter belt problem. The belt snapped and left sticky black goo all over the tiny sensor by the right capstan. The black goo made the deck think the tape was not moving. cleaned it all up with 99% isopropyl and removed the remnants of the belt. All fixed up, runs fine. Interestingly the sensor looks for a bright/dark/bright pattern as the right capstan moves. Thanks for this vid, it put me on the right track re: counter belt.
I recently worked on a Pioneer CT-F700. A monster cassette deck. It needed 4 new belts I think plus the rubber on the idler pulleys needed rejuvenated.
I would dab some white lithium grease on a qtip and lube all those mechanisms where parts are sliding.. That would quiet some of the moving parts down, as I'm sure the 30yr old grease once there is long gone. Tape decks can be a real PITA. 😅 At least you got it working again. 👍
As for the deck 2 issue : There's a solenoid that is in charge of moving that white gear .In my Yamaha deck tape it was stuck at "on" position because one of its leads touched the other .I had to put a tiny piece of shrink/insulator to make sure they won't touch again and problem solved .
My guess is that when you disassembled it - it moved and came back to life .If the issue returns - take a look at that solenoid .
Good fix Aidan👍 I think you got lucky using brake cleaner 😮but you got it working. A thorough cleaning of the drive system may be in order. Nice video, see ya next time.
the rubber is always a problem on old decks
Good job! Those melted belts are a real PITA. I've repaired two dozen or more old decks, cassette, R/R and even 8 tracks. The melted belts are surely the worst thing to see when you pop the top, but nearly always it means the deck is still mechanically sound.
I have a Yamaha KX-1200U and the main drive belt “melted” just like the tape counter belt in your video. I tried everything, except brake cleaner, to clean it and it was a total pain. Wish I had seen your video first. Nicely done!
It's a good idea to clean the capstan (that controls the tape speed) and pinch rollers as well, so the tape won't stick to them, and wrinkle. Next up, adjust the tape speed, and align the head azimuth!
most important though is demagnitize the heads and transport path.
@@CDJF1 I'm on the fence about this. With 2 head decks, the head will demagnitize itself when recording due to the high frequency (~100kHz) bias signal passing through it. I've never seen any objective evidence, only "it sounded better after". The rest doesn't really hold a magnetic field for long.
I'm so glad you made this video! I am having the same problem with a portable tape deck of mine and now I know what to look for when I open it up. 😀❤️ Have an awesome rest of your weekend!!
I've seen belts do that before. I found a couple outlets that sold various size belts in a mixed bag. Some wide and some round. Found them on Ebay. My tape deck from the 70's turned out to be the main drive motor. The shaft was very slow to turn. I should have used a light oil on it but me.. I had to take it apart. Getting those brushes back in place was impossible and now the motor turns but no tourque. So I'm looking for a new motor for my Denon. Good Video. Thanks.
If you take a motor with brushes apart you can make shims to pull the brushes back.
This motivated me to disassemble my Yamaha K-850 for a complete belt service and cleaning.
Nice to get bonus magic when you had thoroughly analyzed it
Exactly what happened to my 262 Got it at the thrift store and put in a test tape just in case. It came out with the band full of that goo. And counter not working. I opened it and no belt at the counter. Will go in now and clean that up. Goo on the rollers and all. More messy than yours. Thanks for the video.
Mine had the same issues. Same thing with the gear and tape counter. I couldn't get the bside to engage. I think it was missing something. The one side sounds great though. I'm OK with that
Hi, thanks for the video. I found a Yamaha kx-w492 and I'm planning to buy it. The owner said it works well but on occasions the tape doesn't start moving. He says that if he hits stop and then play again the problem fixes. I was thinking it could be a belt related issue. Do you think that's what it is? This certainly helps me know where to look! Any advice would be welcomed!
The pads on many of my old cassettes are hard or glue-failed and falling off. Restoring these could make a great video if you know how! 🙏
Clear bright white plastic is often nylon, and will not easily becoming brittle. The older stuff that becomes yellow is often bad.
Using solvents is safer if you try some first on a small spot, and observe if it will not take the shine off the plastic. If not, you can soak the wheel for a few minutes, and use a brush. I think I would try white spirit (like terpentine) here.
You better stick with your 70s receivers;-)
Doesn't brake cleaner dissolve plastic? I think I would use alcohol. And should you maybe use just a tiny amount of white lithium grease on the small gears before you put it all back together? And FYI, on eBay you can buy an assorted pack of 50 cassette deck belts for about $8
This is a normal almost common problem in old decks. Very messy to clean up old belts tthat are disolving them selve.
TH-cam deleted my comment on a great source for belts, you tube is a pain in the butt. Turn table needles, all one word, every belt I have bought from this small company in Corvallis Oregon has been perfect.
YT only allows links to YT 🙄
I've used these guys for at least 20 years. Had a problem with just two orders and they corrected things for me. There's another guy in Colorado who sells belts, bulbs, etc...can't remember his info at this moment.
@@henrychinaski5223 Thanks for the comment Henry! On my last order with turntableneedles, I was in a bind and they let me come pick it up rather than wait several days on shipping. I live only 40 minutes out of Corvallis. They are really nice to deal with, and take pains to make sure you understand how to get the right belt the first time.
@@insolentstickleback3266 I agree! Sometimes I wish I was still in Sheridan, but here I am many states east of Oregon so I wait on snail mail for the belts I need.
having the same issue with my technics 😞
An inexpensive cleaner called Awesome instantly dissolves the belt residue and is safe on plastic
and i have that problem with some kid when i press play deck starting rewind and sometimes fast forward
Misread the title, thought it was a 1970s Yammie. Was hoping to see a Wedge. Still, that was a weird one, eh? The fluke belt jam and the 'magic' fix. You get to see it all, don't ya?
What you could’ve done is got a toothbrush and sprayed some of the brake cleaner on it to remove the sticky residue from the gearing on the tape deck clean all the capstans end pinch rollers
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Good luck ordering belts. You'll probably have to buy a bunch of different belts and see what fits.
WD-40 or mineral spirits clean that junk won't hurt plastic or nylon
Hope when you get out of Jail you will make some more videos. Good luck
What about using acetone to clean it?
Acetone & plastic = 🚫 especially if it's ABS type plastic, it'll melt & totally ruin it. I would try some Isopropyl alcohol, 91% which should clean it up well.
lol loved that left side....lol
99.9 percent Alcohol will melt the goo effortlessly. Ultrasonic cleaner with 99 alcohol. Watching people struggle cleaning goo is hard for me to watch. I just smashed a casette deck because it would not work properly after 3 days of effort. I have no love for tapes.
+1 on the isopropyl alcohol.. That's safe. Brake cleaner is quite risky, as some of it contains acetone, among other things that'll melt plastics.
So just fill a jar with 99% isopropyl and then put the gooey gears in there then set that in the tank of your ultrasonic cleaner? I have dealt with a few of these and have nightmares cleaning with isopropyl (not sure if I used 99% or not) and q-tips and paper towels by hand. Took me 4 or 5 hours over multiple days to clean the goo from the transport of a Nak CR-3A. But seeing as I got it for $50 and it looks and works excellent now it was a good deal.