My Very Challenging (and Transformative) Ayahuasca Experience | Tim Ferriss
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Research shows that psilocybin mushrooms have promising results for mental health support, particularly in reducing symptoms of depression, anxiety and PTSD.
My recovery journey was supported by the therapeutic benefits of mushrooms.
How to get em?
dr.martinshrooms got you covered.-:
Can he be on Instgram?
Yes, that’s his name.
“If you cannot feel your emotions, if you are cut off from them, you will eventually experience them on a purely physical level, as a physical problem or symptom." ~ Eckhart Tolle
I'm still waiting for an interview from Tim to Eckhart Tolle
this is already well known amongst psychologists too
Or we create physical pain to block feeling, and create dis-ease
True story….. I had extremely menstruation pain which i wasn’t able to work for 7 days every month. Matthew Zoltan helped me to feel the pain behind it, and after 2 years I’m pain free. 100% is about feeling your pain. Otherwise, your body will store every memory, and it will show up as physical body. Matthew helping people for 35+years for all sort of issues
Yep! Yep!
I had a similar experiencing releasing decades of stuck pain, trauma, and grief in my shoulder with the use of psychedelic Cannabis, Breathwork and Yoga.
100% believe our emotions are stuck in our Fascia and our tissues.
Shout out to theQL! 👊🏼
Love you, Tim.
Glad Tim is feeling better. At this point in time, people are becoming much more aware of the fact that unprocessed emotions get stuck in our tissues, so this experience is not that uncommon. I've had quite a few similar experiences on various substances and in deep meditation states. Just mentioning meditation because you don't need to go to South America, just meditate and focus on the part of your body that's in pain and approach the pain with curiosity. Make it a practice and the pain will teach you things. In time, the tissues will release, and yes, oftentimes it happens in an instant, but not before all of the suppressed feelings are felt.
5 years ago I spoke to people who had taken Ayahuasca in the past. Some had insane stores about Ayahuasca curing this pain, or that ailment etc. I thought they were all full of it! Yet I keep hearing these stories. Over and over.
Because it’s real.
I had a cyst of 11cm that doctors in the US couldn't see for 5 years. After I did Ayahuasca I went to a clinic in Lima and they saw it and remove it.
I read Sarno's book at least 10 times, cover to cover. The idea being that I wanted to completely and absolutely absorb all of the information on a conscious and subconscious level, (Sarno's suggestion as I recall). That was over 10 years ago and I haven't had back pain since. The reason Sarno (at a point years into his treatment process) chose not to treat those who didn't believe was simply because of the numbers. After years of treating people he found that those who scoffed at the idea but still went through with the treatment, failed. It was a waste of time. Anyone who has chronic back pain should see a specialist, but read the book!
Right on! Have it and the Mind Body Prescription
Sarno changed my life.
change my life
I've recommended the book countless times and nobody "gets it", literally or figuratively. Lol.. who would we be without our problems.
I know a few who have run with it and accomplished a pain free life, but I know what you mean and it's unfortunate. That said, I keep passing it along with the belief that the info will benefit someone, sometime as much as it helped me. Glad that you "got it"!@@Labbernese77
I had chronic pain - fibromyalgia, sciatica, radiculopathy, slipped discs in L4/L5 - for years. It put me on the floor. I was disabled, walking with a cane from CVS, in my upper 20s, taking all kinds of pain meds. Same as Tim, did all the P.T., MRI's, massage therapy, specialists, etc. Nothing worked. I grieved the loss of my body. Going down to the jungle was a hail mary for me. Went in hardly able to walk into the retreat center. Left skipping like a little boy.
Also like Tim says, I'm not recommending plant medicine as a panacea. Do your research. Try a lot of stuff before you consider it. And prepare yourself to be challenged. It is not for the faint of heart. But for some, it can be life saving and give you your life back, for which I'm forever grateful.
trip reports are never boring. thank you for sharing yours xo
I’ve worked with Ayahuasca for 10 years. I’m Indigenous and it’s similar to other Indigenous ceremonies that need lots of spiritual prep.
Ayahuasca is the Godzilla of drugs. It is unstoppable and undeniable. It will dig out your deepest fears and crush your ego. The single most transformative and painful moment in my life.
You ain’t ready..not sure if anyone ever is.
No it's not.... it is to an emotionally repressed person. Go do some high dose Salvia and see what you think then.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the book the body keeps the score. That’s a big one about how our body stores emotions.
Reverse hyper, luggage carries, kb swings, strengthening my hip flexors with hanging leg raises, dead hangs, side planks all helped my crippling back pain. Along a lot of cat cow and a standing desk helped too. Sit less and move more.
Damn, Tim. That sucks to hear that you've been having these back problems because I know that it creates knock-on impacts for the things you want to do in your life.
The body keeps the score. I hope Tim reads the book "Nonviolent Communication", it would help with all his relationships.
Tim it is tough with the back issues! I too suffer from horrific lower back pain at times. My entire 2022 was taken out from a bad excacerbation of an old injury. Did all the MRI's and stuff. Three bulging discs and one extreme. What helped me was pushing through the days with minor pain. I had been doing the opposite and resting as soon as I aggravated it but went to one session of PT and they said we don't do that anymore. You gotta get out there and move. Revelation as I'd been doing it all wrong. Started pushing through it and then doing lots of core exercises and seated leg presses. I'm finally at least as good as I was 5 or 10 years ago and that huge 2022 blow up is finally behind me.
I've heard some amazing stories about Ayahuasca though with some teens who had extreme depression and sometimes suicidal. Been through all the therapy and anti-depressants. Then as last resort went to Arizona and did Ayahuasca. One weekend with that and total 180. Depression gone and been gone ever since. Nothing short of a miracle. I am too terrified to take it and hearing you talk 9 out of 10 people from taking it I am unlikely to ever touch it. But for those who need it for various reasons it can be a complete miracle cure for mental or physical.
Try Bikram Yoga
Disagree wholeheartedly on the negative Dr. Sarno comments. When I first read his book, “Healing Back Pain: The Mind-Body Connection”, I thought he was a quack, but I had tried everything else - everything. So I took his advice and “talked to my brain”. Cured myself thanks to him. My boss said that my case was a miracle. Actually, it was Sarno’s book.
I had undiagnosable pain for a long time! Almost to the point of giving up on life. Mental and physical are so intrinsically linked it is hard for somebody who hasn’t experienced this pain to understand that! But please if you’re in pain take heed of what Tim and I are saying!
Thank you for sharing so many personal things and best of luck with improving the condition of your lower back.
I love that you talk about Dr Sarno!!! Finally mainstream can wake up from suffering
Tim, I read John Sarno book must be 15 years ago now as I had similar back issues. It helped massively. When medicine and physical changes don’t work or symptoms come back, you have to ask “what else could be causing this?” Modern life and modern thinking, not always the best. Glad you have found your solution and I know from my own experience it will gradually improve, but you also have tell yourself this. 👊🏼
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I've noticed that some yoga exercises for stretching can create problems for my back if I do them regularly. And they can fix my back if there randomly is a problem - as long as I'm not doing them regularly .
I've also seen other Yoga practitioners with years of experience with back issues.
Which is to say... It might also be worth reviewing your exercise regimen.
Sometimes you end up doing the wrong exercise for too long.
Thank you for sharing this, Tim. The shield has been lowered, I am sure this helps many of us out there...
I had a similar experience with LSD. I carried immense tension in my shoulders for years. At one point during the trip i disconnected from my body for a few moments. When i came back, the tension was gone. I couldn't believe how loose and relaxed my shoulders felt, it was incredible. It is important to note however that the other 99% was not a pleasant experience, much like Tims.
The lower back represents your ability to feel safe and supported in life. Your spine holds you up ie: supports you in life so any issues pertaining to the back is an emotional issue linked with safety. Kinesiology will also be a great tool to address what emotion is stuck in the back and what needs to be released.
Pain like this is life changing, especially when you are a fit active younger person. It changes everything. Everything you knew is gone and you have to work very hard to accept your new life and a life of pain. Grief is the right word of what you go through.
Tim is a mere mortal dang 😢
Tim, have you had your ferretin/iron levels tested. A genetic disorder called hemochromatosis can cause inflammation, and can symptom out in lower back pain if blood chemistry is out of normal levels. Small possibility, but may be worthwhile to consider, from someone who has been there, and recovered.
Great video, always give your mental health the attention it deserves
I love trip reports. How could a trip report be boring? I suppose if you were listening to them all day or something.
My excruciating neck pain (from neck to finger tip/burning sensation) tought me to work on myself. It was the catalist for my development of self.
Props for doing the work brother. Its the only way
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How did you get rid of or manage your neck pain?
@@ENJIN10859 many hours of ostheopathy. sauna, massages. then once youve managed to be fairly pain free, see what you can do to strengthen the area. i'm back to training muay thai (not ideal but i like it so wont stop:D), also homöopathy, accupunture, energy work.... the list is long. in the end, you have to try as much as you can, and find what works for you. be aware of shitty physios that just want to hear everything crack
Thank-you ❤
I read Sarno's book also and the ethos of his work is very powerful and transformative
I've had a similar experience but during a recent 10-day vipassana retreat wherein I learned that my back pain (from kyphosis and mild scoliosis) both contributes to and is caused by my affectation toward anger, impatience, irritability, etc... After learning to sit through and become equanimous with the pain during unsupported sittings of strong determination, wherein you don't so much as flinch, both the back pain and the irritability have wholly vanished under normal circumstances, only returning when physically or mentally taxed. Mind conditions body conditions mind. Consider dusting off the vipassana without fasting and/or microdosing. You might be able to face and heal your childhood trauma and resultant attachment issues.
Thanks for sharing, powerful story!
I could not help but notice Tim’s guest is so in disbelief that Tim’s most recent ex can have that impact on him - “which ex”, “her or”
I disagree about Ayahuasca. Preparation, intent, setting and especially dose are all important. First time the dose should be small so that the curandero can gauge how you react. Then if deemed safe the dose may be increased. It is not supposed to be traumatizing, which is a clear indication that mistakes have been made.
I went into my first ceremony asking Mother Ayahuasca to go easy on me and it was magical. Then the work started and the following five were intense but completely necessary to shake me from the self destructive life that I had been living.
If you are contemplating going to the jungle to bring Mother Ayahuasca in to your life then do your research, read reviews, watch blogs online and understand that the ceremonies are just the start of your healing journey, integration of your experiences is essential otherwise you're just dabbling in psychotropic drugs.
I suspect that Tim's curandero added toé (angel trumpet) to the brew which induces vivid hallucinations but also an increased risk of psychosis. You should enquire beforehand what is added to the brew and if they will not tell you then go somewhere else.
My journey in healing lower back pain. Dr. Sarno's book > Meditation where I identified my thought pattern that used to trigger new lower back pain crisis > Yoga > CBD > Breathwork. Then I replaced CBD with cold plunges... NO MORE back pain!
I find it interesting this is new for Tim. I see transformative experiences like this with hypnosis, new code nlp, some psychological like processes, sometimes as part of a greater ritual. And when you mentioned depression, I can t help but say you got to hang out or interview some of the original NLP creators. Not a everyday coach/trainer, one of the original core developers.
Thank you for sharing. Wishing you health. ❤❤❤. Glad you know about Dr. Sarno.
7:44 Tim's had enough of his interruptions hahaha
Sarno's work is legit. I say that as someone who has had about 10 different very intense and long-lasting psychosomatic complaints over the years that all ended up being nothing but fear, anger and sadness trapped and manifesting as physical symptoms. I find it interesting that Tim dismisses Sarno as not scientific enough but is willing to do an ayahuasca ceremony that he admits is very risky and is too intense even for some shamans themselves. Like why not just follow Sarno's method. So much safer and the overall result (relieving the backpain and gaining a deep understanding of one's emotions) would have been the same lol.
Tim has a big brain
I became a PT to deal w a lifetime of back pain and my best breakthroughs have been doing bodywork on myself on the medicine. About to do my 5th diet and still terrified, but every time I learn to stand taller and free myself from the pain of csa (my memories were recovered on the medicine like Tim)
I really appreciate the public vulnerability.
The Body Keeps the Score book by Bessel van der Kolk. Got some shamanic metaphysical healing from that experience! Good job facing your demons!
Welcome the counfounders. Sometimes there isn't a single variable that explains healing, even though we may want one. Sometimes it's the whole experience including the most challenging bits.
Congrats Tim!
The fellowship of the river is by Dr. Joe Tafur! Amazing man and amazing healer
I did Ayahausca at Rythmia Life Advancement Center in Costa Rica. It was life changing!! Aya got rid of my anxiety and depression, which I took western meds for 11 years. GONE!
I just discovered them this week, talked to someone there yesterday-- is it really worth it? 4 ayahuasca ceremonies in 7 days, wow!!
Acknowledged or resolved feelings? Keep an eye out for that pesky symptom imperative. Mine went from lower back to frozen shoulder.
Tim doesn't age, it's amazing
Wow so powerful (as ayahuasca tends to do). Thanks for sharing. There are also a series of videos on TH-cam of Sarno’s seminars (know they helped some people with long COVID).
Nothing will fix genetic damage from the vaccine unfortunately.
Despite having a powerful mind body experience, Tim is still unfortunately missing the point.
I had similar chronic back pain to what he experienced and was completely healed through sarnos work. As well as others that helped me have a even deeper understanding of the mind body. Like Steve Ozanich & The body keeps the score.
If you are reading this and have chronic pain. Read Sarnos book. It will change your life and health. But youll have to be open, to going on a journey, and confronting some your deepest pain. But it's worth it. And for me it has had an incredible effect on my psychological and emotional health.
12:29 well well well - if you learned anything, don’t unlearn what you learned … saying things like - My back is killing me … your brain hears this and gives it back to you … all I am saying is be mindful of your words ❤
@timferris Are you aware of NeuroPlastic Pain ? I'm sure that this will give you more insight about your pain.
Female 47 here.
Read Sarno in 2010.
Chronic back pain GONE.
I'd not recommend Ayahuasca to everyone, either. Please don't take this ceremony lightly. I sit with mother Aya back to back 4 nights. I had the darkest/most scary time/severe panic attacks I've ever had in my life, but like Tim, the chronic jaw issues that I've had for 10+ years disappeared after the ceremony. Mind-blowing. I'd keep the jaw issues over the experience I had with mother Aya.
Wow, I had the same exact experience having done the medicine before I energetically knew doing it this time it was gonna be way harder on everybody. I just had this feeling and it was like seven hours of just really intensive in work and I was picking up on everyone’s work in the room and I was just so hard, and Shaman said it was one of the hardest energetic night I’ve ever had
Tim, invite Neal Hallinan for podcast, for yourself, he knows PRI (Postural Restoration Institute) by heart, and has an amazing come back story from treating back pain.
Im a PT Neal’s solid
brilliant tip with the pilates ball! i was just looking for a lumbar support like this 👍
Very poor summary of Dr. Sarno's book. Not sure if he understood it. He didn't say pain is all in your head. He talked about how mental stress affects muscles which if tense, can constrict the flow of blood and oxygen to specific areas of the body and thereby cause pain. Its even more complicated than that but to give a hint..
Wait a minute. Sarno says to only try this treatment if No Physiological cause of the pain can be found. It is only for Treating Psychosomatic Pain.
Does anyone happen to know what number or size Pilates ball Tim was using for his back
Wait, share more on why people shouldn’t do ayahuaska.
I guess it was right what huberman was saying about how men postpone the pain of a breakup... real life example.
I’m a disabled Iraq war veteran, I have tried all the therapy the VA has to offer and my PTSD remains very persistent. I’ve had VA staff suggest I try DMT but how do I do that? I can’t afford to fly to South America. Are there safe ways to do it stateside? Kinda at the end of my rope.
Thank you for your service. And I'm truly sorry to hear about your struggle. There are some great options that offer financial assistance to military veterans. One organization is The Mission Within and another is The Hope Project!
Yes! You can go to a retreat called Soul Quest in Orlando, FL. Ive been 3 times, you will be more than cared for! They even have a division devoted specifically to vets. I think its called Warrior Quest. Just call them and they will guide you! Best of luck brother. ❤
@@vaniafrankhealer thank you! I’ll look into that 🙏
@@InfiniteIlluminate thank you, I’ll look into that 🙏
MDMA is so much more manageable for healing trauma. It really works if done intentionally. Aya and DMT aren't for everyone.
Hmm.. I herniated L5S1 and was in so much pain for about 10 years I just wantes to end it all. I asked the church to pray for me and I brought olive oil so my friend and pastor could annoint my back with it, and God did SOMETHING that day. I'm back in the gym and look like I'm 30 again and I'm in my 40's. Only God heals. Repent and trust in Jesus.
Tim I do not know if you have heard of Stuart McGill , but he is a highly recommended back expert!!
Try one tablespoon of Diatomaceous Earth ( Food grade) mixed with 2 cups of water, once a day, and it will help your back emmensly.
Who is the guy with Tim? Name anyone?
Great message and one that resonates deeply with me. I found the guest to be extremely distracting and the wrong energetic match for the depth of this message; his stupid one-liners were annoying and his comment around doing ayahuasca on a podcast was ignorant and disrespectful, not a fan. Glad you’re healing Tim and carrying this medicine in a good grounded humble way 🙏
Thanks for sharing your experience. Kevin and Tim are long time friends; this format is a bit different from the regular podcast (Random show Vs Host). They are two good old friends, sharing their experiences as they navigate life. I found that level of openness very powerful.
What are the list he mention? Therapy, Holotropic?
I couldn’t walk or at least had suffering back pain for 5 months. Was so afraid it would last forever. Tried all the things until I found what worked for me which was surprising. All the known fixes didn’t help at all - got the MRI, lasers, trigger point therapy, accupuncture, world class chiropractic, a doctor said I needed back surgery etc. Then I randomly stumbled upon Alexander Technique and within months I was pain free. Absolutely wild. When I first found it I didn’t I didn’t understand it but was desperate and had tried everything else. So grateful I found Noel, she restored my future giving me and my back ease.
Did you do your ceremony at bohemian grove? Because you’re on the list of attendees.
Long story short, use a pilates ball to relieve lower back issues
Dr. Richard Bartlett is exceptional. M.E.D
Looked him up but there are several. Is yours the Seattle Chiropractor or…?
Yep, thats him.
You can do Ayahuasca legally in some countries in Europe. I did Ayahuasca in Spain in November. I just booked it online in a retreat center and I went.
I agree with Tim its not for everyone, don't do it lightly.
What's the name mate
My fibromyalgia improved 100% from doing ayahuasca, and yet, I also don't recommend it to everyone. I've seen people having an extraordinary difficult time after it... so please, don't just jump into it. Try all other resources first.
Can anyone compare a mushroom trip vs an ayahuasca trip?
Like comparing a Bic lighter to a goddamn Forrest fire.
@@TheDoughGetta Interesting because I found my mushroom trips so emotionally intense that I feel like I couldn't bare anything more than that.
If u can go to this place…physical and mental(and or emotional) are the same thing! It might sound absurd but it’s true!
What size?
Hmmmmnn, Tim im wondering whether there is a connection. Your ayaushauca visions to me with your ex gf, implies that you just want and need to be supported- to be cushioned and to be comforted. Maybe your back pain and the relief through the pilates ball is feeding into that loop. I dunno. Try and check out somatic exercises. They are lovely and deeply comforting.
Activate the sacral chakra aka your balls. Pay attention to the spine and have great posture consciously. Get a therapeutic U shaped butt pillow. There is a space of emptiness in the pillow in the spine area.
People needing drugs to feel..... well, you're a numb human..... now you need to become emotionally literate without the need for an mental enema. Don't mistake this for wisdom.... this is potty training for adults. This is basic 101 psychology....we do this every day in life as an emotionally healthy person....as common place as eating and resting. These people are finding out about the very basic way the vrain and emotional circuitry works. Knowing how to do that as a continuous norm is what is required. These drugs are just laxatives for emotionally constipated adults. How do you think emotional tension is held....obviously it holds in the body....where the hell else would it be...outside of the nervous system???
Tim!
For your back, you need to find Dr Stu McGill.
Curious why he feels he's better equipped to handle Ayahuasca than 90% of the population. Seems like something he should elaborate on if he's going to claim that he's in the ten percent after taking it one time.
Damn Tim, who is this shaman who brewed your Aya? I’ve had chronic low back pain for over a decade. I’m aware YMMV but I’ve been wanting to be an N of 1 using Ketamine and Aya for healing CLBP.
Probably el Dragon
@@ViagensGringa who is el dragon?
Did you tried McGill big 3?
You’re looking hot Tim! 🔥 seriously you look great! I’ve followed you since the 4 Hour Diet! ❤
Wow! Def sounds like trapped emotions contributing to your back issues. Thx Tim for sharing. Great book recommends from other comments🙏🏼❤️ reminds me of Joe Dispenza’s story about how he recovered from a broken back. His brain work is miraculous. Reiki healing is remarkable. Another book to consider: the power of your subconscious mind by dr Joseph Murphy. And the related Healing power of your subconscious mind- same author. Tim you are waking up. 😊🙏🏼welcome.
Exactly my experience. It was insane. Only I was the only one in our group that had it this hard. I too will not recommend. Helped me alot but yeh. Not to play around with.
That’s nuts
9/10 people probably SHOULD experience it. Unfortunately Tim was one of the ten that probably shouldn't?
Sarno is amazing! Sorted out a chronic lifelong neck pain reading one of his books. But please please don’t damn an entire continent as dangerous with such flippancy. Especially when you come from a country where kids regularly get shot in school. Not trying to cancel you 🤣but I really think it’s important to stop talking about CONTINENTS like SA and Africa like they’re one small country and don’t contain multitudes of cultures and experiences 🙏🏽
So let me get this straight... the dude is talking about how he doesn't recommend the ayahuasca for 90+% of the population after bragging about his shaman having a brew most people avoid? And then mentioning it curing his back pain he had for years AND helping with his depression...?
This sounds exactly like the type of results 90+% of the population want to achieve...
It’s overwhelming and intense that’s why
what did we learn about his experience? It removed his back pain. nothing else nothing more it just removed the back pain.
This mind body syndrome, you just experienced it
Challenging and transformative experience for me? Becoming a mother!
Dr Gabor Mate also found some healing through ayahuasca
Yeah I don’t think this dude is someone who should tell someone they should or shouldn’t experience Ayahuasca…
Psychedelics aren't for everyone. If susceptible to bi-polar and schizophrenia you're supposed to avoid.