Medieval Fantasy Realm vs A Modern Nation. Who Wins? | Gate
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“Dragons have impenetrable skin!”
“The hardest you’ve tried has been arrows. Try a 2 foot long depleted uranium rod fired out of a 120mm cannon.”
"My armor is tenfold shields, my claws, Spears! The whip of my tail, A Thunderbolt! My wings, A Hurricane! My..."
"Shut up lizard! We ain't no hobbits."
Actually, the type 74 is a 105mm cannon
@@CarterMoen sssshhhh, does it even matter in this case?
@@adimaiuniversal4361 sometimes yes a longer gun barrel has more time to have the gas expand which means, the round will have more penetration power/energy, and they where be using heat rounds
@@CarterMoen , the mm is the gun diameter as in how large the hole is not the length of the barrel but yeah it is true, longer=faster, stronger
however propellant and ammo weight can also play a role towards a cannon's projectile velocity, take a look at the paladin, it's gun barrel is pretty long but its shells are heavy and large meaning it has to arc upwards more compared to an Abrams to hit something the same distance
That’s the exact anime that comes to mind when I hear this argument about Fantasy versus Modern military
Gate seems to have not had magic, probably the only weapon that would fight.
and devolved into another generic run-of-the-mill waifu harem power fantasy, so much wasted potential
@@tarektechmarine8209 they do have magic but only a limited few can use it
@@warcat7156 even then, the fact that fantasy settings still don't have tech that involves magic is stupid
@@snaildude268 that's because in any medieval era to make anything technological with the use of magic is called alchemy which is essentially science, and alchemy is and had always been deemed to be taboo this why they shy away from the idea so much thag they would literally outlaw them and hang you as a witch rather than a mage and even if they were allowed they would have to either conduct research in secret or in the case of the gate universe they have specific towns for magicians alone for them to do whatever they want without the interference of extremely conservative countries or kingdoms, plus I doubt they will believe in science when their own gods roam the world most likely enforcing tradition and banning the unorthodox which is to say science itself, keeping the progress and advancement at a standstill until they actually try to defy those gods
It's a bird!
It's a plane!
Oh, no!
It's Lockheed Martin!
Nice, I get the reference.
Ah, yes. The exact way the EDF usually responds to things it doesn't understand.
Its from Russian badger
its a warthog!
That a Bell helicopter and Mcdonald Dogulas F-4
"You got fire staffs, that's cool"
"Hanz, grab ze flammenwerfer"
Laughs in german
"It werfs in flamen!"
Grab ze gas and masks
I will join you with my nebelworfer I know this is probably incorrect
@@mrsks8755 It's correct I used google translate trust me
"Magic sword you say?" *Cocks shotgun* "Never heard of her."
"NOOOO!! You can't just kill my knights with a metal stick!!"
Haha, .50 Cal go brrrr
Magic sword? hardly know her.
Really? .
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Orks w40k ._.
How about magic Armour? Cocks sword "ever heard of that?"
@@This_Pleases_The_Nut50 cal? U make me laugh.I just use a rpg and move on with my day
When people say "oh they have dragons with scales as hard as iron"buddy we got shells that goest through tanks-
Not to mention 30 meters of solid ground prior to a bunker lol
Are dragon in medieval fantasy that weak? I mean can't they burn armies with their breath? Cause earthquakes, curses of plague and famine, Cyclone...etc.
Are they just big lizards that fly?
@@indulgencerofindulgence5970 they wont be able to do those if their shot by an anti tank shell from around 10 miles away- remember modern militaries are tactical geniuses, so a bigv lizard that they can see coming wouldnt be a problem for an ambush
@@indulgencerofindulgence5970 sure but they gota get somewhat close to do that.. now a AA gun can shoot 7km and pack a exploding round 1.5'' across with a shell the length of your forearm at near 3000fps flesh and scales aint doin jack to stop that.
I mean, I guess you talking about Rings,GoT and Eragon type dragons? I pretty sure the warcraft dragon can deal with this, even they would die to missile weapons for being outnumbered. Pathfinder and DnD dragons are above that, and they are now mainstays, so this not even me taking out obscure examples.
Gate: *opens in Texas*
Texans: "so you have chosen, death?"
The army will never arrive as the locals don't mention it, for they don't want to share the enemy with the army. It's theirs. An enemy for texan private tanks and artillery.
Medieval General: “We’re barely making progress into their territory! What kind of super soldiers ARE these?”
_meanwhile_
Some dipshit farmer with a lever-action rifle: “Y’ALL COME INTO MAH HOUSE, TOUCHING MAH STUFF!”
'MURICA
@@LordCrate-du8zmthat is hilarious🤣
@@LordCrate-du8zmas a Texan, can confirm
Armies gather in formation.
Artillery men: "Oh cool, they bunched up."
I mean formattion actually mattered until machine guns got invented
@@elijahmanaghaya6038exactly
@elijahmanaghaya6038 formation mattered before guerilla warfare was invented?
Guns were around for a LONG time, just not as sophisticated or advanced compared to today.
Matter of fact, the US during the Revolutionary War ended up using Guerilla Warfare for the first time and absolutely obliterated the British troops.
@@CIASleeper368 I said Machine guns
Machine guns Completely counters Formations... or was that the charge?
Imagine how terrifying it'd be as an medieval soldier and hearing the screech of artillery and then everything around you just started exploding, would be like the wraith of a god
Except in most fantasy worlds they actually have to deal with the wrath of goods and demon kings, Dragonsand wizards who can do exactly that. Why would they not already be prepared for just that
@@TerryAVanguard because a modern army can use weapons that can shred a dragon (any form of flak or anti air), eradicate a god (nuclear weapons or any cannon) , and attack from far away (any bomber, missile, artillery, mortars etc)
@@Knight_Igris let just use Greek myth for now
Zeus and the other goods can look down on you from Olympic whenever they want
Zeus can freely cast lightning at you from the other side of the world without you even knowing hes doing it. Turn into a duck and have his way with your commanding officer who will then give birth even though they were a man.
That child will then be super strong and smart but be cursed by hera to turn into a monster and kill any who try to give it love.
Meanwhile youve pissed of posiden by polluting his waters so be prepared for all your harbors to be Tsunamid
While afrodity has 1/4 your army fucking each other, 1/4 fucking the enemy, fucked 1/4 herself and gave the rest blueballs even the women.
Menwhile Demeter dosent even know you exist but is in a foul mood because hades has her daughter so makes it the worst winter in history.
And that is just a portion of the greek pantheon.
Good luck
@@TerryAVanguard God or demon, dragon or wizard, these are beings with that power in hand. But they're also few and far between.
Now imagine if an army of completely mundane regular people suddenly came out of nowhere with the power to match gods, demons, dragons and wizards, and the numbers to match any army they could field and there's an absolutely good reason to be fucking terrified.
Fun Fact: Napoleon called Artillery the god of war.
The Empire is lucky the Gate didn’t open in the US. We actually have an armed civilian population.
Texas bbq joints serving Dragon/Wyvern brisket, with pulled Orc/pork sandwiches in under a week.
@@Dherkin_McGhurken the army of armed civilians sprinting out of the nearest Walmart to put an end to this tomfoolery.
Yep, we actually have more guns than people in the US and with the right licenses it's legal to own functional tanks and artillery (specifically you need a Destructive Device license and the tax stamp will be an absolute bitch, but it is legal. Just good luck finding someone willing to sell you the things and their ammunition). Of course that's rare because that stuff is expensive.
@@ThatGuyOrby Freedom ain’t cheap my dude.
@@nyogtheeldritchgentleman never has been, never will be.
"No man can kill The Witch King of Angmar!"
"Id like to introduce you to the GAU-8 Avenger 30 mm Autocannon. I can assure you, shes quite the special lady."
Still not a man
I don't think you comprehend what a man is, also if you had half a brain and actually knew what that meant, the demonic god that gave him powers made him invincible besides to halflings (because he knew not they existed) and women because he was a sexist
I present you-…. The 20mm Raptor F-22 Autocannon! This time its a man.
Problem is that it will not work as long as it is hild in the hands if a man.
And sice this is 2024 you can never be sure what your opponent is.
@@RealCodreX ...I present you........uhh... the 20mm NIWS Sniper Rifle..i think its a man.
"So your saying that they have oil?" - Moments before disaster
Everytime a explosion goes boom, I can feel Napoleon's tomb shakes
As it shakes from him laughing at the fools who don't have god on their side
@@WE_DONT_LIEis this reference to one of the Napoleon Quotes "God favours the side with the best artillery"
@@amychan811yup
@@amychan811Halle-fuckin-lujah!
@@amychan811yes it is
Definitely a shame that there wasn’t a plan for a third season. Since the light novels continue the story past the season 2 ending.
So it goes for basically all light novel based anime, it's considered marketing for the books rather than media to tell a complete story.
There isnt a plan? Was this confirmed?
@@westrim say that to slime and overlord or every other anime that is getting new seasons
@@sleepisgood2936 there hasn’t been any recent news on if there’s going to be a 3rd season hopefully there will be.
That's criminal
King: I have castle full of 250 thousand of knights
Oppenheimer: I have a nuke
That cute
Unleashes biological warfare
When Sauron touched The United States Boats.
NEVER TOUCH AMERICA'S BOATS
DON'T TOUCH THE BOATS!
i see fellow hlc fans in here excellent
The kid: *inhales deeply* I thought these bitch ass nazgul were supposed to be a threat.
those mfs where lucky they didn’t end up in the Warhammer 40k universe
THE EMPEROR HIMSELF HAS GIFTED ME THESE LIKES
Ork infestation
@@babalu7737”oi lets show them gits an tru infestation”
@@Bob-red-skull or imagen nurgel spread His Gift ther
Blood for the emperor
Skulls for the golden throne
I smell Heresy, I detect xeno scums, in the name of the Holy Emprah I shall CLEANSE this comment section
"I'm a powerful sorcerer!"
Fascinating, please face the wall.
The 7.62x51mm round, travelling at speeds in excess of 750m/s:
The sniper 3 kilometers away:
The A10 ready to send ‘em to the sky:
So am I, Alaca-BLAM
We have NUKEs
Fantasy: "we have drangon"
Modorn: " have you heard of thermonuclear war?"
Still can't beat my planet busting dragon
Fantasy: have you heard of Meteor Strike spells?
That would kill evreyone inclidong the fantasy@Powerfeta367
*Including
@@LolLol-Comunis it just depends how powerful is the dragon. Like if the dragon has a mountain level of durability or above that, technically the dragon can tank nukes. Because remember it's fiction and there are so many dragons who can eat multiverse, abstract concepts and infinity (Alduin from the elder scrolls can do this) like there are nothing and that's what makes fiction unrealistic. It doesn't obey the law of physics or our logics at all
*The United Nations when they find an unregistered portal to another dimension*
Well, the Geneva Conventions doesn't exist there anyway
Everyone below this comment is a history weeabo.
I mean, there were using what's essentially Cold war equipment.
@@Hot_dog_man9 They're old for the US, some of it at least (Like the F-4) was still in active service in Japan when the anime aired.
yea like that "magic staff". dude thats a very outdated battle rifle...
@@maxrough00 omg you’re such a lightbulb. I’m clearly talking about the equipment used by the JSDF
@@marshwalker7217 True, but the Type 74 MBT and Howa Type 64 Battle Rifle were supplanted years ago. There's actually a reason for this. It's incase they have to retreat without their gear so it would be a nearly null economic loss for an MBT that served at the same time as the first M60 Pattons to be lost rather than something more advanced, like the Type 10, or Type 90.
“All those foot soldiers, mages and dragons are all well and good, but have you been introduced to CLUSTER BOMBS???”
But have you been introduced to WAR CRIMES??
There are energy balls that explode into cluster bomb style in some magical fantasy series
@@aiwkwmwmwwmit’s not a war crime if they never signed the Geneva Convention and it’s not on earth 😈
Willie-P’s back in town 😂
What mages. There were no mages.
The empire: open the gate
The gate opens on Coruscant
The republic: hello there
At least it didn't open in just thee empty void of space.
when you’re 30 tech ahead of your rivals in civ
"We have heavy Knights"
"we have the tanks"
I have a she-hulk that can twer...Sorry wrong channel
We have 50 kal
Poland 1933 be like
We?🤨
"Guess we're dead."
"Why not just surrender."
"By chance what happens in your country if you call a man a man?"
"..... Good point."
“I have a Dragon!”
“I have an A-10 thunderbolt!”
"I have a Dragon"
"I have an Mitsubishi FX"
AKA, our dragons are better
It's warthog
I have a dragon that is a little less than invincible, I have fly thing that shoot led haha
The dragon is bigger than mount everest. Win granted.
"Oh damn was that magic?"
*Pull out the Mortar* "Wanna see mine?"
That's actually a scene later on as a demonstration
This is exactly what would happen if Voldermort or Grindelwald actually decided to attack the Muggle world
Nah, they would use guerilla tactics and infiltration
@@xiiir838 except given that in the third book a group of high ranking wizards had to have the concept of a gun explained to them, plus their general sense of superiority, I highly doubt either was actually expecting a fight.
Magics are great, destructive, and fantastical. But a warhead can do just the same faster, no chants, bigger power, and theres hundreds more waiting in storage
@alfieravenguard4594 and most importantly, can be mass produced.
@@alfieravenguard4594 Nah some of the magic in HP is horribly OP, you do realise they could easily hide and turn any clothing store into a squad of soldiers (manneqins), mind control national and military leaders, instantly kill someone in half a second, heal any wound in a very short time, go invisible and undetectable, and cast magic which compels muggles to walk away. And so much more.
Think about having to fight a war against an undetectable enemy which controls your leadership and could strike anywhere in any way.
So lopsided that it's hard to call it a "war" any more.
Yea nah I think this is a new war crime
It's just straight bullying
@@shiningemerald5591 So out matches that they begin to count battlefield casualties as civilian losses
Battle if we win, slaughter if we lose
@@sleepykid156 🤣
The empire: *open the gate*
*The gate Appears in area 51*
The empire: ☠️☠️
Nah there will no negotiation or war just straight up violation and one side annihilation
Thus star gate command was formed
Appears in Nevada, US military nuclear test site.
@@OnlyManAfterAll test in 5 .. 4 ..3 ..2..1.. beginning nuclear test
time to test martian tech
everybody gangsta til the wizard says "power word: testicular torsion"
thats why i would have written this world without magic. magic is like a superpower, the writer decides, what goes and it isnt bound by laws of nature, so its boring
Some wizard: I'm gonna make a magic shield to protect myself!
The JSDF: *gets a Type 10 MBT* block this you filthy wizard
Some random fantasy medieval kingdom: Hey look, we have some fire breathing dragons that can block anything everyone can throw at it
The JASDF: That's cool and all, but do you have 155 F-15Js?
Some random medieval navy: We have a bunch of giant wooden boats with 80 cannons
The JMSDF: yeah that's cool, but do you have 36 destroyers with 8 of them equipped with advanced Aegis radars that came straight from the United States Of America?
"Our weapons can fire and tear through FLESH brother."
"B-But we have dragons!"
"In *your own fantasies they can barely tank a sword dud."
Maleficient was a good example
Try that on the dragon named Acnologia, that dude can destroy dimensions
@@rhythmkhandelwal2940those are reality breaking dragons or sum, we are talking about fantasy dragons that makes sense
@rhythmkhandelwal2940 those things don't exist.
@@theman9048 As always... science and technology will always win
If your read the novels, they were able to counter helis, ATVs, and some tanks (via impromptu tank ditches/traps) along via semi-effective armored ogres. The empire resorted to scorched earth and guerilla tactics along with magical forms of infiltrations (that failed.)
Still no counters for artillery and bombers LMAO.
alien zerg like bug also target jsdf first rather than some guy with sword and bow
Roman legionnaires riding huey helicopters ✊
yes....
I've seen That kind of example in one of the recent Manga version's chapters (01/++/2023) portrayal of it now, it seems.
underestimatingly deserved....
just by a LITTLE Bit. hm.
'Still no counters for artillery and bom-'.
I'm afraid the special regionites (saderan empire) still do.
instantly....
@@thenukeanims ....if their, FLS-'gods' for example (overkill of a choice from me) all of a sudden chooses to do the inhabitants' heavy lifting instead anyways.
let alone an army of the more 'not-gods' level and still half and half Causal-bounded special regionite magical-users. as some here has reminded repeatedly about those still concerning possibilities.
As someone who absolutely loved this short, enjoys HFY fiction, and liked this anime - it really depends on the magic system in your medieval fantasy realm.
There's "ooh knights and goblins are a threat" medieval fantasy, and "the wizards nuked our capital and can't be killed by non-magical weapons" medieval fantasy.
As someone who totally dislikes HFY-type stuff, I entirely agree with you here
Like yeah sure Gandalf isn't doing much against a nuclear strike, but you wouldn't want to piss off Pug for example lest he make the moon into a wrecking ball
@@rdevan3245you are probably doom to loose the war if we ever supposed to fight Melkor (because when the Ainur gathered and began in harmonization of the Great Music, adorning their powers and themes as they each desired according to Ilúvatar’s gifts unto them, Melkor returned and he arose in a clash of the music of Ainulindalë, weaving his own creations into the music. Dark and evil were they, something the Ainur did not comprehend and they feared it’s majesty, for its untold power seemed to overuse their understanding of the music and some of the Ainur gravitated towards Melkor, thinking him to be God. Melkor corrupted and destroyed the first two themes of Ainulindalë which is all of Eä, that is all that wholly is creation in its infinite vastness of incomprehensible nature)
@@FffXdhgfNeither the Valar nor Morgoth are involved in the affairs of Middle Earth at all past the third age, and even then they acted only through the Istari. And, while Olórin is probably rather powerful as a Maia, in his role as Gandalf he has many restrictions imposed upon the use of that power.
So no, at no point during which Gandalf was relevant would Middle Earth have been able to stand against a modern army.
(Also, why even bring up Morgoth? He's gone for a good long time and the prophecies on Dagor Dagorath have Turin stomping his ass basically as soon as he returns)
@@rdevan3245 yeah sure we can beat armies from elder scrolls doesn't mean that we can beat the individual characters like Miraak or Alduin can beat us. It doesn't matter how technological advancement we are.
And the same thing will be applied to the LOTR. As we can beat the armies but not the individual characters. Like Gandalf will be considered as a superhuman being to us. While it's true he cannot beat us, he can do some crazy stuff which can give us some PTSD. While true form Gandalf can arguably beat us ( because it is said that the Maiar who constituted the order of the Istari were mighty for even members of the "angelic people", being comparable to Sauron in his origins, although it is unclear how comparable this version of Sauron would be compared to his state during the First Age Of all the potential ringbearers, only Gandalf was considered to have an even chance of overthrowing Sauron as the Ring Lord if he claimed the One Ring, with Tolkien citing this to be due to their shared origins and nature)
@@FffXdhgf who brought up elder scrolls? The Elder Scrolls universe is legitimately overpowered, and their "gods" are still active. They'd actually be terrifying to fight.
LoTR is just not the same. Other than the Maiar and the Valar, nothing really has the scale of punching power required to win against a modern army. And the thing about the deities in that world is that in the age we're discussing they're barely active at all- once again, they only act through the Istari, and while Saruman's actions throughout the series show that they're nothing to scoff at, he's still ultimately brought low by the Ents.
Tolkien simply didn't write in a way that modern fantasy "vs battle" fans can really compare his characters to other things and say they'd come out on top. After the first age, there's no real argument that Middle Earth is a "low magic" setting to use a modern term- it's not going to do anything against the full might of any large modern nation.
The funny thing is that in the anime in this short, GATE, the self defense force that was sent to the other world was equipped with older military equipment, so the fantasy armies were decimated by what we consider old and otherwise somewhat obsolete equipment.
Mostly Mid and Late Coldwar tech. But yeah.
A thing that I really liked in “The Forgotten Ruin” series (that can be summarised as “U.S Army Rangers vs the forces of Mordor”) is that its very upfront about just how lethal modern weapons are, especially against people who have *no idea* how to defend themselves against them.
However, when you only have a limited amount of ammunition and your foes have tens of thousands of troops against you then things can (and will!) get ugly really quickly…
One of the reasons why I think Gate is so boring. Yes, I expected the curb stomp but I was hoping to see some hiccups.
Like magic or fantasy metals or dragons with alien biology that make them much less susceptible to modern weapons.
Or just MASSIVE hordes of zombies or goblins and orcs that soak up the damage before "the real troops" show up.
Something.
But Gate ends up just being a JSDF power fantasy. Which is fine. I'm sure most people here eat that up.
I just wanted more out of the premise than that. Something more than a wooden plank of a character being baddass commando getting the fantasy anime babe harem.
@@Mahbu Yeah I tried to watch Gate but, like you said, I feel like the protagonists just didn’t face enough of a challenge. Like power fantasies are fun and all but they get old quick.
I mean at least in “The Forgotten Ruin” the enemy poses a genuine threat to the Rangers and they usually have to resort to fighting smarter (not harder) to just *survive* the horrors that they face (and even then the price they end up having to pay is usually quite steep). Like for example, how *do* you defeat an seemingly endless horde of undead monsters that never slows down, never tires, doesn’t care how many of them you kill AND has an annoying tendency to just get back up again after you’ve killed them?
The only problem with Gate is the Gate, the anime stops after 2 "seasons" but the light novel and manga go further. At one point the Gate destabilizes and closes for quite a few years, Itami and others stay behind and have to learn how to fight with swords, archery, ride wyverns etc. because all the supplies they brought over would run out. Watch "G. I. Samurai" it's a 70's JSDF time travels to the warring states period of Japan and fights with tanks, and rifles vs samurai on horseback, they don't have a constant portal so eventually they run out of fuel, ammo, etc.
@@Dherkin_McGhurken Indeed. However, the manga and light novel have their own issues.
Namely the jingoism, far right militarism, and cultural posturing. While toned down in the anime, it's very prevalent in the source material. My god, the way they portray journalists and "liberal" politicians.
In fact, one of the reasons why it isn't as popular in the US as you'd expect is the perception that it has an anti-American sentiment.
Which it basically does.
Gate is not that popular in the US OR Korea, a country that takes exception to a lot of the themes in the show.
@@Mahbu I hear about the "jingoism and cultural posturing" a lot about Gate but it's like has no one read a Manhwa or Manhua? Welcome to asian politics everyone hates everyone else and only they are great only 2nd to Rice/Cultivation/etc.
Soldiers: *use their shield to block*
Tank’s shell: “block this!”
There was a scene where the female soldier i totally forgot her name was used her rifle and pistol. The rifle i think can fire 7.62 or 5.56 . And for the pistol is ethier 9mm or 45 caliber. I might be wrong but it all of those guys went down and yes they had shields.
Imagine getting hit by essentialy a depleted uranium balista traveling at 1.2km per second
@@swector_unit4257IMFDB might give you the answer what guns she was using
I think you mean "Parry _this_ you filthy casual!"
@@miku_hoshinoThey probably wont even use APFSDS or even HEAT/HEAT-FS since they’ll just use HE, much more useful against infantry.
“Medieval people were violent and merciless”
Modern military: *invents weapons that could incinerate an entire populace within hours*
*seconds
To be fair, Gate was “Low” Fantasy vs Modern military.
High fantasy vs Modern would be interesting to see though.
Agree.
Nah, they had magic. They just sucked at it because they didn't understand how the world works. After lelei, or whatever her name was, started reading science books and applying their knowledge to magic, she was quickly learning how to increase the power of the indigenous magic spells.
@@demonicinqusition you just described one major difference between high and low fantasy. Low fantasy setting can have magic but they either suck at it or there is very little magic.
High fantasy setting can have little magic too but they are extremely good an efficient with it
It will be the reverse...
As easy as that 🙄
the problem i see with that, is the same problem i have with superman. theres no end to the strenght. one side fights with the limitations of physics and chemistry and is bound by the laws of nature, while the other one, can basically snap the other one out of existens if the writer wants it to. its not about beeing unfair, its about shifting the goal post on the go and add whatever you want, without the need for it making sense
Lol, one of my favorite parts is them trying to take back the hill and the generals horse gets caught in razor wire him not knowing what it is and just is in complete shock.
LMAO
The devil's rope.
Romans have similar to that. Really doubt they would get sursprise by it.
@@aldrinmilespartosa1578 Except they planted thorny bushes: the closest thing I could think of may be the chevaux de Frise, but that usually consists of a row of spiky stakes
Thats so stupid, humans can figure out what the ouchy metal wire is
You should do a follow up on how a modern army would really fare against the Empire of Man from Warhammer Fantasy.
or hell, maybe the imperium from 40k against the empire of man
@@bennnoboyo5238 yeah... tbh they could send a few chapters and some guard regiments and that's that really, especially if they're against only the Empire
Or it's like their relationship with the Tau
They could crush them, but they wont cuz it would take too much resources.
@@cyantile5490 oh, AND they’re also fellow humans.
that's overkill
Warhammer humans win
They literally have gods blessing them
Sure in lore these blessings don't seem to do much but that's cause everyone else is being blessed too
Outside that
The elites of the empire with their magic weapons and armour and extremely durable mythical beasts would slaughter us
Warrior priests constantly getting blessings of sogmar to inspire troops etc
This is what always made me laugh about Jurassic Park. Yeah a T. rex is scary, it’s always going to instantly put down by a .50 cal.
We killed stuff way bigger than a trex with just pointy sticks and team tactics
As a wise man once said: "Some people think they can outsmart me. Maybe, maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet."
I feel like gate is the anime version of avatar.
We have the invasion trope but this time we are the invaders
Avatar except the invaders are the good guys
We were the invaders in Avatar!!
@@kappakiev9672 wait, we weren't already?
@@kappakiev9672 Avatar is a story about humanity desperately needing a very rare resource to survive (literal billions of lives on the line). The protagonist was meant to go in and help negotiate a relocation as the indigenous people lived right above the biggest deposit they could find. Instead, he never even mentions it and goes full native and kills his own people because billions of human lives don't mean shit against some tribal alien's big ass tree house
And before anyone says otherwise, they spent literal billions on the avatar project JUST to be peaceful, which is way more than what even our own modern equivalents do. Humanity were the good guys, the Na'vi can go f**k themselves, and Jake is responsible for every death, both Na'vi and human that results from the fighting and Humanity not getting the resources they need to survive
Ah gate, where Skyrim gets curved stomped by battlefield
My dragonborn with cheat mods and gun mods:
@@chrissierra-5633 fight's battlefield cheater that uses aimbot wallhack and spinbot
@@killerninja4416 Me with console comands
@@chrissierra-5633 god mode noclip and your set
@@chrissierra-5633me on my way to download the most devious hacks to be able to snipe someone behind a building 10kilometers away
The empire: we are unstoppable
The US military: You dare oppose me mortal.
The last guy was like bruh this is too easy 😂
Ace Combat: Liberation of Narnia
lmao, from who? the Telmarines? 🤣
@@URKCEHinoSuu Definitely the Belkans! Those pesky drones of theirs and their 7 kamikaze nukes.
@@UmActshuwally avalon dam or megalith?
Just remember to not overbomb, because you can't liberate something if you carpet bombed it out of existance.
It's not like the OADF will just fucken napalm those fuckers 24/7
Damn White witch and her damned Belkan witchcraft.
Magic might be the only factor that could give the fantasy army a chance.
And even then we can just study it like any other force. We’ll hit them with a thaumauturgo-dynamic bomb a year into the problem
In the Gate series Magic takes time to learn, chant, and implement. Meanwhile african child soldiers with no education can use a rifle just as well as an average adult with no training. Add in actual trained soldiers and good luck chanting a protection spell when a sniper blows a hole in your chest a mile away and you still haven't heard the gunshot.
@@Dherkin_McGhurken I wouldn't say that a child soldier could use a rifle as well as a professional, but a bullet from each will kill just as well
indeed....
but it is scarcely portrayed with the special regionites' usage of them over there.
@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat Problem is if we can even use it right as we could use it as well as the Earliest Steam Engine.
Compared to Ancient Wizards that know the Magic so well, they might even sense our incoming Magic bomb.
Then there is the factor of Demon magic and other corrupting magic that corrupts the users especially uf they study it
This is also how I picture an alien invasion of earth actually going
Dragon tamers after a M1 Abrams tank commander pulls up:
I love how the Japanese send 30 to 50 Year old equipment to fantasy land because that's exactly what should happen
Why waste the new stuff if the gate was to close
@@Groza_Dallocort They did use their Latest equipments in the Manga, and I can only theorize it as 'testing grounds' for how easily the armored vehicles, not just the latest Type-10 tanks but even just a Type-90 could hold off the Prince's 'guerilla' army.
You realize, a lot of countries use 30, 50, even 100 year old equipment in their armies right? A lot of stuff is of old design.
I mean it makes sense before guns the spear was in design with slight modifications since the beginning of time. So no wonder some guns are still in use. Also poorer countries tend to change out their shit far less.
Not to be political but Ukraine used a lot of old stuff and inflicted a lot of damage to Russians
Same can be said for Russians too since they used a lot of old stuff mixed with new ones
They did when they initially went through the gate. The reason being the older stuff they could leave behind if they had to evacuate, or afford to lose.
When you remember that this is not earth and the Geneva convention doesn't apply here
German soldier noises intensifies!!! 😂😂😂
If I remember correctly (unless I’m confusing it with a fanfic), the Geneva Convention’s Rules of Warfare actually encouraged many combatants to surrender &/or defect.
@@UGNAvalon it doesn't encourage that but if they are either cut off or asked by the opponents to surrender then it is encourage to do so
@@enigmagrieshaber5555 No, I mean: The medieval soldiers were so impressed by the modern soldiers' mercy & restraint toward prisoners & civilians that they started surrendering/defecting en masse.
I'm pretty sure that the JSDF do follow the Geneva Convention, and they go out of their way to not bring harm to civilians (in the anime at least.)
Empire: "I have an Army"
Japan: "we have Artillery"
"we have dragons"
"We have a F-22 Raptor"
"We have Alduin, faster than the concept of time"
That's an F-4...
Fantasy world: Send the fairies!
Modern military: *grabs flamethrowers*
I would say the electric swatters seems more cost effective and they can effient
They actually used a flamethrower later in a novel, but it was to burn the defenders guarding and hiding behind a wooden gate with a siege ballista
If all nation fantasy battle a all modern nation
Birdshot works wonders
Anti-Simp flamethrower removal
Nothing better than a decisive victory without friendly casualties
A splendid little war
That's my favourite feeling in Warhammer total war hard af to pull off tho
Besides some guy that got an arrow stuck on his shoulder
"Skill diff."
I mean, if that was meant to be a serious question, I don't think Gate is the place to look for an answer. It seems kinda leaned in favor of the modern military, being the protagonists.
They have air support in the form of dragons (basically napalm spewing, ironscaled living planes with their own reflexes and sense of self preservation)? Obviously our tanks can snipe those out of the sky (ever seen a tank hit a helicopter or jet, for example). They've trained their entire lives in melee combat? Obviously we'd still kick their but in a fist fight. And that's not even touching on how the fantasy world could have modern military equivalents (like their own cluster bombs in the form of magic fireballs, or even magic barriers that could block a bomb); and that's not even getting into any reality warping high level magic has a tendency to do. But right, the most effective characters from the fantasy world just so happened to have teamed up with the protagonists, lucky them.
Im reminded of a quote, about why the 98 American Godzilla movie was a disappointment, "They have so little imagination, they could not even conceive of something their guns and bombs could not kill."
While you are completely right, I don't think it matters.
Melee wont decide the encounter.
Helicopters meant to hunt tanks have range.
Modern helicopter crews are aware of what tanks can do and will avoid getting shot 99/100.
And modern armies outrange the wizards , even if they are outgunned by them.
Humanity always dreamt of dragons, terrifying beasts that were capable of mass destruction and objects of epic tales that would always remain just fantasy....
Then we built fighters jets, our own metal-scaled flying monsters that can raze entire cities into ash and rumble
We created friggin nukes. For most medieval fantasy worlds it would be the equivalent of taking a chunk of the sun and just dropping it. And the craziest part they're not very hard to produce if needed.
Attack Helicopters = Flying Iron Pegasi.
Main Battle Tanks = Iron Elephants.
Multirole Jet Fighters = Flying Iron Swords
Military Utility Air Lift Planes = Flying Iron Carraige.
All Modern Troops = Mages with Lightning Staves.
AIFV = Armored Carriage
Turreted Light Armored Trucks = Iron Sieges.
Etc.
Holy shit this goes so hard
Fantasy aint got shit on modern weapons
*Rubble*
“Might need some improvement” is the understatement of the Millennium
Which is to say, not much.
Can't help wondering if it is going to be any less different if it was High Fantasy instead...
“We got dragons!”
“We got a tomahawk missile”
Me in Stellaris when I find Pre-FTLs:
The perfect anime representation of 'fuck around and find out'... Invade glorious Nippon home land, and get full scale occupation force.
"War? what war? we lost a few guys"
"thousands have died"
"yea, on their side, its a one-way massacre"
-some JSDF members somewhere
Lol😂😂😂
in the show one of if not the only "casualty" is a guy taking an arrow to the shoulder
@@hashbrown_blitz8869 yup
@@hashbrown_blitz8869Didn't the arrow struck a porn magazine and that was counted as a casualty?
@@alejandroelluxray5298NOT THE MAGAZINE
“Formata testudo! These heathens will know power when they see us!”
Arty about to directly lob 155mm of HE in their general direction “RAHH THEY’RE ASKING FOR IT 🗣️🗣️🗣️”
Imagine if a modern military was in berserk universe tho.
And mind you this is Japan alone. Imagine if one of the Big 3 got the Gate.
Japan is pretty powerful. Easily in the Top 10 world powers. I think they are in 6th place right now.
all of them would have same thing in mind
-land area
-oil
-more people to have power over
Unless it is Russia and they still manage to fuck that up
*US has entered your realm: PREPARE TO DIE*
@@Demopans5990 Russia can easily beat the shit out of the Saderan Empire if they want to lauch an all-out invasion even if they didnt do well in Ukraine.
They just send outdated weapons like T-62,T-55,BMP-1 and still win against the Empire without trying.
"Sir dragons are killing people with fire easy."
"Don't worry we killing they with flame tanks when they sleeping."
**canned laughts**
The empire: *opens gate*
Canada: *stops sayin sorry*
The world:"aw sh*t, here we go again"
I think this was litterally the first video i watch of this channel
Even ignoring the massive technological disparity, modern militaries have much better logistics and support infrastructure, not to mention better training for its soldiers on average.
our supply lines would be much better then from them the only advantage i see gate has is magic and creatures since they won't beat many with sword's and bow's if they fight agenst a fricking tank or assault rifle but then we could just learn the weakness of the creatures and learn there magic, our logistic's would be also better if we add spy drones send in a warhog and they are mosly done
Could you make a 1hr version of this ? I enjoy it for some reason xD
Yes
go watch The Gate anime
The only thing that stands a chance that I saw in the anime was a small friendly loly wielding a giant weapon. And that’s only because I’m pretty sure she’s immortal
Your swords, war machines, beasts, dragons, soldiers vs my infinite 9th-level Meteor Swarm.
*Spoilers:*
Later on the Novel and manga:
*Zorzal:* The Japanese only has one base that means they have trouble navigating in our land, we should destroy all the settlements, villages and lets kill all the occupants for good measure.
A small team of JSDF killed over thousands of medieval soldiers.
*Zorzal:* Our soldiers must be cowards, kill anyone who retreats but make sure our cowardly, hypocrite commanders the only ones who survive... Also screw all other tactics just charge into melee blindly with no support.
*The JSDF and Pro-Peace launched a gigantic Blitzkrieg operation easily destroying all the defence perimeters of the Empire in a single day.*
*Zorzal:* Ok here is my absolute sure win plan that will defeat the Jsdf, everyone in my army but me and 10,000 elites will stay in Marais and would stall the enemies as much as possible, I will laugh as you all die while I'm safe and attack Italica, a heavily fortified and defended city, to kill the Pro-Peace, ignoring that the JSDF can easily send air support on the city, oh its perfect because I don't want my father and sister telling me how much I screwed up losing 99 percent of my army so I'll just kill them.
Zorzal eventually ends up getting assassinated by Tyuule.
@@xenoflame191Good. F*ck that guy
Anime name?
zorzal, to me, is the example figure of a person, grown up in a system, that has "birth rights" so he thinks, hes allowed by blood and divinity to do this and has the right to win, thus will win. the concept of an enemie thats too strong, doesnt exists for him
The force of a Jet flying by
Is enough to knock a dragon out of the sky
There’s a game coming out later this year that follows a similar premise. It’s called Kingmakers I think.
Some medieval soldiers with a bow: These guys will be ea-
His head exploded because a APFSDS round fired from a Type 74 MBT penetrated his helmet
I think it depends on the magic system, how they militarily integrate it, and how OP their magic is in the medieval fantasy world.
But in general, the only fight they could probably excel at would be Guerilla warfare.
Hmm. Maybe urban and Guerilla warfare. With magic, the problem comes down to range really. In most fantasy, magic is fairly close combat. Artillery dosent need line of sight. And has a long range. So unless their magic has something similar, their still done for
Unless they got psychics using magic to tell when to use it. Mages would be the first target for any decent sniper. Good luck chanting with a hole in your lungs and you haven't even heard the gunshot.
if thing's get to hard for them to handle we just send missle or nuke if thing's get really out of control
Modern militaries also do guerilla warfare, try something else.
@@Dherkin_McGhurken Magicians aren't psychic, that said psychokinesis and magic are 2 different things.
If I remember correctly in the novel series that the German army also went into the special region because of the alliance with japan which mean they are gonna be pretty much bombarded the soldiers in there since they engaged in trench warfare
Nahh who let them become friends again 😂 just kidding idc but that’s cool I never noticed
Tbh German ppl are almost-viking in medieval ages, also i really like 18th century Prussian Soldiers ngl
@@CASA-dy4vs they also engage in uhhhhhhhhhhh....................... Psychological warfare when I meant psychological warfare I meant
PLAYING ERIKA AT MAX VOLUME THE CHARGE WITH 2 LEOPARD 1 AND 7 M113 THEN 4 INFANTRY SQUADS AND 1 MG3 MASCHINENGEWEHR-BESATZUNG!
“THY BURNING SPIKES IN THE SKY DOTH NOT STRIKE FEAR INTO ME!.” *actually disintegrates*
“We have a Dragon!”
“We have a Dragon IFV.”
*Gandalf running for his life from a Missile Barrage*
"THAT'S CHEATING!!!!"
Gandalf is invincible, he was only nerfed because he couldn't enter the normal world with all his power
Ok that was a funny,ive never thought about it! 😂😂😂
@@facetroll8412 Once we figure out how to manipulate quantum fields not even the primordial spirits will be safe
Then he casts wall of force
@@rubbegameing5370 Too little too late...
Bro that will be LIKE
Most advanced alien civilization vs humanity in 1678 lol
pov: you made a planetary invasion against feudal pre-ftl species in stellaris
Wizards casting wall of force, impenetrable dome, and wish will change your mind on top of mind control spells.
Roblox normal RTS game
"Dude we forget to get anti air for our light tank army!"
Enemy:
The really funny thing?
That’s not even “a modern nation”.
Due to several reasons, the forces at JSDF Base Alnus are utilizing Cold War-era arms and tech.
And they are still the best-equipped army in that entire fantasy world.
Keep the word "that" in mind
Ikr F-4s and Type 74s?
imagine series like helldivers 2, warhammer 40k, gears of war, star wars or starship troopers against GATE lol, i don't think there would be much left lol
"We have dragons!"
"We have tactical nukes"
F22: "Would you intercept me? I'd intercept me."
@@Vrooto F35 wants to be intercepted too.
ye, exept that japan doesnt have nukes
@@dharkbizkit the UN:
And the worst part is the JDF whooped them with 1960's level gear. So you can imagine how much worse the carnage would have been if they had more modern weapons and equipment.
it wouldn’t make much difference a Stealth fighter is still just a bomber in this scenario
@@outrider425 Stealth would be irrelevant given they would be up against a primative civilization. But if the JDF had been using MLRS and 777 Howitzers. Things would have been much worse for that fantasy army.
Nothing different would have happened, the Empire was already oveatched, you dont give police officers the most modern equipment on the regular because their equipment needs to defeat a civilian, not a rifleman.
For example lets say that in Gate we change the F4s with F35s, that does not add anything to the JSDF, they already pack enough ordenance and cant be engaged. The same sith artillery, the M109s and mortars are powerful enough to disolve any empire formation or position.
More advanced equipment only adds cost for a meager improvement.
@@nahuelleandroarroyo I am merely stating the carnage would be worse. Not the overall tactical situation.
Depends on if it's got high tier magic or if it's like at fire cracker level.
For instance there's a couple medieval fantasy kingdoms that have magic nukes on demand that can hit anywhere on the planet after a long casting time.
Othere will be lucky to have a couple fireball shoot out of formation in battle.
yeah but then again... GATE's fantasy realm isnt that kind of fantasy realm with overly OP shit like that, even GATE magic has some logic
"haha you,flinched"
What bro was gonna throw at me:
“I cast fireball!”
“And I cast 120mm!”
Civilization Deity playthrough be like:
It depends on how strong their magic is. Some fantasy realms could fight back and others would get swept quickly.
And some would just win if their magic was insane enough.
“Patterson fire a warning shot.”
“Sir this is an M32 rotary grenade launcher.”
“Ah potato-potato just fire it Patterson.”
Nice Russianbadger
The only thing you must question in this case is not who wins but how long will the medieval era realm last for?