I didn't know the time but I commented while watching the stage that Pogi was going way faster than Lance did back in 2021. lol The climb is right around 12k per Zwift, so two minutes would be about 10 seconds/km. 20 years ago, new generation of riders/food/bikes/equipment/etc. It's possible. If Pogi rides like that and then Jonas comes back better next year and could beat him. That would be a smh moment. Lance would've finished 13th on this stage with his record time. All the riders are doing better these days. Pogi also smashed Pantani's record on Plateau de Beille on Sunday by 4 minutes. Lance did this climb in both 2002 and 2004, and reports are that Pogi beat the 2004 climb of Lance's by 6 minutes. Pogi has been smashing it for a long time on the bike. 2019, he won the Tour of California and then 2020 the TdF. If he is on some mystery dope or other tech, he has been able to avoid any sort of detection for years. The Tour where Lance was on his limit was 2003, he got beat by Ulrich in a ITT and he looked white lipped and dehydrated at the end. Pogi gets the same way when it's hot. Based on the amount of snow in the high mountains at the beginning of the Tour this year, I don't think it's as hot this year. But could be mistaken.
Another big difference that you didn't mention: the team(s) pulling. Armstrong spent 45% of the climb alone, 10% behind only one team mate pulling (the only proper big pull from Heras, taking more than a minute to Jaja) and the opening 45% with a big peleton at moderate pace (5 sec lost to Jaja from valley to Heras' pull, despite Jaja's mechanical). Pog was pulled by his entire team taking full turns to try and exhaust Jonas (sivakov then almeida, then Yates), then even by Jorgenson chasing Yates. Result: 75% at high pace being pulled, finishing the job alone for the last 25% of the climb "only".
It's even more obvious with plateau de Beille, done by Pog 3min quicker than Pantani's record. Difference us: Pantani did 75% of the climb alone, while Pog only did the last 5km alone... after being pulled by the whole Visma team, including Jonas himself for 6km trying to drop Pog with a high tempo (swallowing Carapaz and taking 1min30 from Remco), Pog not taking any turn, taking the wind for only 30% of the climb...
Ulrich crashes. Lance waits... Beloki....is Spanish =NOT WAITING Lance and Jan may have cheated but they BOTH would have waited for the other.... 🇦🇺🤔🤭🤫
Lance is the greatest Tour de France racer of all time.....the French industry/officials went after Lance because he beat them... including Hinault and Mercyxx...
They did’nt go after him lol. They left him winning with positive tests for 7 years, covering for him in all their competitions, even at UCI level. And they even let him return as an old man (in cycling terms) doped to the gills again, after a 3 year long hiatus. They only did something about it, when their hand was forced to, because of Floyd Landis’ confessions and testimonies and they ensuing cases. Lance got all they leniency in the world up, like no other, because of the big bucks he brought in to all involved in the cycling world.
@@abuzuz5800 There was so much doping back then it was hard to take any of it seriously, now that being said it was extremely entertaining, I had OLN from Shaw for that reason alone.
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What a treat , Lance the greatest of all time
Considerably slower than Pogacar, though.
how not to see the best cyclist in recent years of this sport lancé armstrong a living legend 👍👍👍🚴🚴🚴
He cheated
Two minutes slower than Pogacar 2024 ... Hmm ...
How do you know this? I can't find stage statistics anywhere online
I didn't know the time but I commented while watching the stage that Pogi was going way faster than Lance did back in 2021. lol The climb is right around 12k per Zwift, so two minutes would be about 10 seconds/km. 20 years ago, new generation of riders/food/bikes/equipment/etc. It's possible. If Pogi rides like that and then Jonas comes back better next year and could beat him. That would be a smh moment.
Lance would've finished 13th on this stage with his record time. All the riders are doing better these days.
Pogi also smashed Pantani's record on Plateau de Beille on Sunday by 4 minutes. Lance did this climb in both 2002 and 2004, and reports are that Pogi beat the 2004 climb of Lance's by 6 minutes. Pogi has been smashing it for a long time on the bike. 2019, he won the Tour of California and then 2020 the TdF. If he is on some mystery dope or other tech, he has been able to avoid any sort of detection for years.
The Tour where Lance was on his limit was 2003, he got beat by Ulrich in a ITT and he looked white lipped and dehydrated at the end. Pogi gets the same way when it's hot. Based on the amount of snow in the high mountains at the beginning of the Tour this year, I don't think it's as hot this year. But could be mistaken.
@@L.A.ismyname lanternerouge.com/2024/07/13/pogacar-possibly-does-the-greatest-performance-of-the-21st-century-tour-de-france-2024-stage-14/
sports.orange.fr/cyclisme/tour-de-france/article/tour-de-france-pogacar-a-battu-un-record-d-armstrong-CNT000002epkDU.html
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Another big difference that you didn't mention: the team(s) pulling. Armstrong spent 45% of the climb alone, 10% behind only one team mate pulling (the only proper big pull from Heras, taking more than a minute to Jaja) and the opening 45% with a big peleton at moderate pace (5 sec lost to Jaja from valley to Heras' pull, despite Jaja's mechanical). Pog was pulled by his entire team taking full turns to try and exhaust Jonas (sivakov then almeida, then Yates), then even by Jorgenson chasing Yates. Result: 75% at high pace being pulled, finishing the job alone for the last 25% of the climb "only".
It's even more obvious with plateau de Beille, done by Pog 3min quicker than Pantani's record. Difference us: Pantani did 75% of the climb alone, while Pog only did the last 5km alone... after being pulled by the whole Visma team, including Jonas himself for 6km trying to drop Pog with a high tempo (swallowing Carapaz and taking 1min30 from Remco), Pog not taking any turn, taking the wind for only 30% of the climb...
16:20 Enjoy! I was so shocked when first seeing this back in 2001, as they came back from commercial and immediately went to THIS happening!
flat mountains .. 15:45 .. WTF is a flat mountain ?
LOL when you're doping, all the mountains are flat. ;)
@@scninja07nice quote 😂😂😂
Ulrich crashes.
Lance waits...
Beloki....is Spanish =NOT WAITING
Lance and Jan may have cheated but they BOTH would have waited for the other....
🇦🇺🤔🤭🤫
Jan also waited for him in 2003 when Lance crashed with iban mayo
@@minoX6Tyler Hamilton, who was on CSC at the time and riding with a broken collarbone, came up and told everyone to wait also.
Lance is the greatest Tour de France racer of all time.....the French industry/officials went after Lance because he beat them... including Hinault and Mercyxx...
They did’nt go after him lol. They left him winning with positive tests for 7 years, covering for him in all their competitions, even at UCI level. And they even let him return as an old man (in cycling terms) doped to the gills again, after a 3 year long hiatus. They only did something about it, when their hand was forced to, because of Floyd Landis’ confessions and testimonies and they ensuing cases. Lance got all they leniency in the world up, like no other, because of the big bucks he brought in to all involved in the cycling world.
Yeah, it’s cuz of that rat Landis and the 2 face back stabber Tyler Hamilton.
@abuzuz5800 okay, but Landis didn't just wake up willing to confess. He didn't force anyone's hand.
@@abuzuz5800 There was so much doping back then it was hard to take any of it seriously, now that being said it was extremely entertaining, I had OLN from Shaw for that reason alone.
Lance Legsweak... the only rider allowed to test positive and dope hard during the tour... stealing 5 tours from ulle
LI E STRONG
Lance Dope-strong.
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