@@eshannuminlmao you totally misunderstood the comment. Hes saying find the enabler of the market, (which granted is extremely vague what the shovels would be) while youre saying get it twisted run for the gold mine like everyone else
They also sold early access to their channel where the next market murder will happen. Ofcourse not intentionall. Guess why people follow those channels...
They are finding the strategies on stream in front of thousands of people you don't need to wait the video everyone already knows about the strat. Just making up excuses.
@@Olanar2000 Not making excuses. I don't follow streamers to play the game. I do my own thing an make plenty of currency. Don't need someone to tell me how to do it. Sounds like my comment hit a nerve on you.
@@Olanar2000 during the stream its unclear how profitable it is because you have to run 50-100 maps and then calculate all the profits to make a video. Unless you watch everything and calculate everything during the stream which I am pretty sure 99% of people are not doing
There are two main reasons why I don't like the "currency per hour" mindset. 1) It assumes that you are running maps at least as efficiently as the person telling you about the strategy, which is **very often** not the case. 2) You generally need a build that can clear screens at movement speed, with your movement speed being at least 200% while also being tanky enough to survive all of the juice you need to throw on the map to make the strategy work, which will very frequently gate the vast majority of builds out of the conversation. (in fact this often leads to players trying to emulate the exact build that the content creator used to do this strategy which ends up putting them in the red rather than making actual profit) It will never happen but I wish the community could talk about currency strategies based on per map profits rather than per hour (or maybe per 10 maps or something since profit per single map isn't always consistent). This removes speed and efficiency from the conversation and gives the player a baseline to look for to see if the strategy is actually working/worth the investment or if they should try to look for something else. Something else that you don't really mention in this video is the lack of information on quite a number of currency making guides about how exactly you should be juicing your maps. Many of the guides I've looked at over the years will say something along the lines of "Use this exact atlas tree and as long as you juice your maps you'll get huge profits" which is very much so not true. In fact I would go so far as to say that juicing your map "correctly" is way more important to your profit margins than simply running some cookie cutter atlas tree.
The currency per hour mindset is the part of the game, if you remove all the currency, then just x kill per hour, x mob per hour, x thing per hour, its just how the game plays, same in real life, if you can earn 1000$ a day instead of a week or a month why not lol
@@Toxickys Two major flaws here: 1) The mindset is not part of the game, its part of the community and its very flawed. The math works out *Better* if you phrase it per map/instance rather than per hour as it becomes more consistent considering the RNG involved. 2) There is a massive dissonance between gaming and real life, the moment you start treating a game like a job you've left the conversation. The dissonance between gaming and real life is pretty vast. - In real life people are often locked into a specific amount of earnings over the course of a specific timeframe and the only thing that can change that amount is the individual themselves deciding to no longer earn *any* money. - For the individuals that are billed on a per hour basis its often the case that working *too* efficiently will earn you *less* profit per hour, which (in my experience) has never been the case in gaming even once. - In real life you are (usually) not in control of if you get a promotion or not and are often relying on an outside entity to do that for you. In gaming its the exact opposite. - In real life there is a limited number of people that can work a specific job (or work at all) in gaming (specifically in PoE) there is no limit to how many people can do the same exact thing, the prices just go up based on demand.
@@kilikx1x Thats why you don't earn good amount currency, because you can't think outside of the box, in real if you are working in a job, you are doing it wrong, be the boss of the people and let them make money for you instead of work for small amount of money, same in game, do the best strat, flip items, craft etc for big money instead of just work for a few div / hour this is not just about being efficient, it's about being smart, btw treating gaming as a job is okey, it's not a 90s when gaming was cringe or just looser plays games, in 2024 you can earn money while gaming as a pro, like in league of legends, or csgo etc, or just be a streamer or youtuber while playing games, so treating a game as a job its completly fine no matter if you make or not make real money with it, btw a lot of people enjoying the "i want to be insane good at this game" like playing in wow in the best guild and getting world first kills, or server first kill, best items first in the server etc etc, to me casual gaming is like watching a videon on 2x speed or skipping half of a part of a movie etc, pointless and doesn't make any sense
Prime example of this is Empy's Expedition strat. 21 div/h. Wow, great strat let's do this. But wait a minute, it took him only 2.5 min per map. It's not achievable for most people. You will die in maps, you will make some brakes and of course do some trades. Most poeple can't just blast for hours. Great thing is that he says also profit per map and its around 1 div, so I know that with this strat I will make 8-10divs/h if I sell most of the things. Also people need to realize that for some strats you need specific build. Expedition - get some explode. Don't try it with single target double strike.
I definitely learned this league that I really need to have 3 or more strats I like to farm that are different enough to not influence each other but similar enough where I can do them with the same build. Or ideally, the strats are complimentary. Eg, one that farms scarabs to sell and one that uses specific scarabs to profit. So, I can do whichever is optimal at any given time.
@@AbdulRehman-hm5do Exactly, idk who is liking this comment lol...CURRENCY PER HOUR does not require you to play 10h a day, it's obviously already called PER HOUR...dumb asf take 🤣🤣🤣😂
If your barber knows of an investment by then everyone knows about it and you should stay away from it. Kudos @Big Ducks for being one of the most helpful and truthful cc for especially beginner exiles.
@@tesladrew2608 nope, and even T17 also not worked. I farmed T17 strongbox with full tree and scarab and got 10 chaos orbs with multiple trash currencies any items while cost 5 portals to clear all the map
The #1 way to find a good and reliable strat is to find one from last league, investigate the patch notes, and make sure it wasn't changed. Then run it early, run it often, say nothing. Also any strat that requires no investment is less sensitive to streamer inflation. Also, stop buying gear unless you hit a brick wall. Craft stuff with essences and play league starters that easily fill defensive gaps.
This guys is smart I love streamer strategies to study for next league since… I don’t know why people forget about them on next league until another video comes out about it then they try to do it.. 😅I’m still a noob but why is that?
@@beasthaven1571People are sheeps and follow the streamers for the "best" way to get currency. But in reality, the best way is to farm whatever you like and whatever you are good at.
Chieftain is easy max elemental res, slayer and jugg endurance charges, inquisitor gives great recovery. Rf chieftain is the easiest thing in the world ro leaguestart now. Its not giga dps, but you can get 4 voidstones pretty easy. Pohx's website literally tells you everything. Don't but the exact jewels he says though lol do somw thinking and mix up where you get stats.
The problem isn't only T17s, it's the whole margins business in the first place. If you have to PAY to use a good currency strategy, then whatever means can squeeze out more loot from that currency strategy is going to end up being the best thing you can do. This is why party play is a problem, because they can squeeze out far more loot than anyone else for the same amount of investment, since you only put in scarabs once, but get >2x the loot.
Outside of the stated obvious facts about the strats basically being worthless once they are posted, is the fact that a lot of streamers literally live and breathe these games. They have no lives, no relationships, no kids, most no job outside of streaming. The game is their life and livelihood. This game rewards time invested into it more than any other factor. If you play casually as the majority of the player base does, then you shouldn't expect the same returns. It also helps to have a guild that funnels you currency and gear during the first few days to give an even bigger advantage.
Most profitable strat: do your favorite mechanics on your favorite maps fast and non-stop , instead of spending an hour on TH-cam searching for the optimal farming strats, wasting 50 unmakings to redo your atlas, realizing only 3 maps later that you don’t like it or your build can’t even handle it, then resorting to TH-cam again for the next “best” strat that you’re going to give up on after 5 maps.
I like to just find a couple optimized atlas from streamers and then just play and have fun. Trying to copy a streamers currency strategy they've been doing since day 1 and got a mageblood on day 2-3 isnt going to mean you'll ever get a mageblood.
i was doing deli start extremely casually because i end up doing 2 maps and sitting on youtube then doing 2 maps 10 mins later. after realising i was poor i thought let me actually play the game for 1 hour with my strat. ended up making like 8 divs in an hour. major skill issue because i cant play the game for more than 20 mins without getting sidetracked
its a blessing when your league starter requires no thinking and you can just run all content in a some what efficient manner. pobbing mid-mapping takes sl much of my time
@@JEASOUA yh been playing ele hit and my strat hits around 80% deli, been in pob way longer than actually playing. Breach + deli gets out of control especially cus I only have inspired learning rn
Most Ethical PoE TH-camr ever. I’m glad I found you. You’re my replacement for TarkeCat being away. Please start making videos about if it’s raining outside 😆
This is all great advice. One thing missing, and you and others have brought this up many times, just missing here, is having a good loot filter and filtering out stuff you just don't want. Also, I find it incredibly disingenuous whenever anyone says /hour and they aren't factoring all the time it took to set up the maps rolling good modifiers, or the time it takes to sell items. You need to be online to sell. That takes time. You have to leave your map to sell. That takes time. Like, lots of time. I make 100 div an hour! No, you made all this stuff you can sell for 100 div.
It wouldn't make sense to factor in the time it takes to sell the stuff exactly because that's pretty random depending on the loot but normally streamers say this is easy to sell this is not yada yada
@@TheLouisGreen well, until this league loot liquidation was a nightmare. You either lost a lot of time waiting for buyers or you lost a lot of currency matching a buyer in TFT. The truth is that very few people run 6-8h of maps and then unload. Most would want to unload 2-3 hours in, way before the bulk premium kicks in
@@catalintudorciurte309 I cannot express enough love for the Currency Exchange we got. So many headaches in Leagues prior trying to get some jackass to respond to their listings!
@@TheLouisGreen The problem with not factoring it in at all is that different strategies have wildly different sell times. Some strategies drop tons of different loot types that all need to be sorted, checked, and sold separately. Others just drop a few or even a single loot type that can be sold in seconds. That means in one strategy you might spend around 15-30 mins per hour selling loot, while in another you're done in 1 min. Here even a rough estimate is far better than just not factoring it in at all. This is even more true if you also factor in setup time as this has the same issues. One strategy might spend half its time setting up and selling while another has no setup and sells in 1% of the time. This needs to be factored in even if it's just a rough estimate.
Yeah loot is trash this league but I used some to build up to crafting. Made about 200 divs from crafting this league. Hopefully loot is better next league
You also have to consider play time. It takes me 2-3 days to play through just the campaign just due to availability. So, by day 4, I am just starting a strategy. I can't follow what worked day 2 because it will already have a massive amount of players trying it and driving the price down. People who put down less than 15 hours a week in the game will always fall short on a lot of the cheaper entries to some of these strategies.
@GE_Photon_Lord duh, it was the very first sentence that gave my whole post its meaning. Followed by an example of why streamer strats don't work for most players. My post wasn't a complaint in the least. I always play my own way.
every league i want to play "normally" but then i strugle vs unkillable mobs with my 1c league starter and end up flipping shit on trade until i have my mageblood
@@beasthaven1571everything has some margin. even the simplest idea which is buying div cards like divine beauty still gives like 5-10c profit per card but as you get richer you want to look for higher profit per trade stuff for example i went 300c to 10d with smaller trades from 10 to 50d divining min roll yoke of suffering to good/max roll and now im crafting rare clusters and high eledps claws and swords at 100d+ since after a certain point crafting is better then trading since its high risk high reward but you can afford to lose now
I play arpg's to kill mobs and pick up loot, not sift through an auction house flipping items for currency... Times like this makes me happy I enjoy SSF way more than trade.
Nothing wrong with really enjoying an economy based game esp when it's a fresh economy it's very exciting but also just collecting all your own stuff is very fun too!@@Huckle777
Im glad I play SSF. I grind for and craft my own items, still clear all content and don't have to worry about not using scarabs on a t17 because I wont make max profit. Some people forget they are playing a game for fun and not working a stock market job kekw
The main point why they generally dont work is because a streamer typically runs a map in, I don't know... depending on the strategy like 3-4 minutes probably. and streamers have consumed the "hideout is lava" mentality. so that means, they don't just run a map in 4 minutes, they also run basically the full 15 maps per hour. and then they run maps for 10 hours a day, aka 150 maps a day. of course the RNG balances out over these 150 maps, so they can safely say they made 100 divs on a single day, and thats 10 div an hour. whereas casual joe me over here takes 10 maps an hour, both because the build is not that good yet and I am a lazy mf. and I almost afk in hideout between maps because there was this new cat video on youtube I have to watch first. so I end up running like 4 maps an hour, and then I am only playing like 4 hours a day, so I run 16 maps a day. pretty much the same amount mr streamer did in a single hour. now, if I would do that for 10 days straight (which I don't because I have to work and shit) I probably would also end up with 100 div after this pretty much 2 weeks. but usually I don't. thats why i am poor. but I am okay with that :)
Do you hate sanctum? Or would you like to try it out? It seems you are able to play and can focus well, but also want to make more profit without having to keep up with streamers since less time. I highly recommend sanctum.
That's not a main reason lol, you just have adhd. Sure streamers tend to have more total free time, but you should be a lot more efficient than them since you don't have to respond to a chat
@@moo4700You say it like we all dont have adhd. Plus mapping is straight up boring in this game, if someone gave me a mirror I would stop farming currency 😂
One thing i learned about making currency, is play what mechanic you find fun. Only look at currency guides if youre trying to find which method isnt being abused currently. Last league i did Deli Abyss, and made easily over 100+ div in the 3rd league ive played. I got 2 jewels that were worth 35 div from Abyssal Depths which i assume were inflated due to no one maining Abyss.
My currency strat has been pretty much the same as always. Build density, blow up the map. Is it hyper focused, nope, but i have farmed enough currency to buy a 10 div shield and 5 div rf helmet so its working i guess. Delirium, beyond, exarch towers shrines. Its alot of stuff on the map and i just blast it
I don't care if this crashes, but run a t17 map *grinding* atlas. Stack map drops and searing exarch buffs (or run Eater if exarch hurts your build too much) and run Toxic Sewer and one of the maps next to it. Each t17 sells for 130c if it's Ziggurat and 120 if it's Sanctuary (I was grinding City Square). Giga stonks. You can also sell or run the invitations for some extra money.
I tried like 6 different strats this league so far and all of them worked pretty well. Expedition, harvest with or without the awakened scarab, harbi (now a bit pricy) alch&go, rogue exiles, ritual, whatever. it all works to make decents amounts of currency. People need to stop crying and start trying things.
Heyo Mr. Ducks , I concord with you , but sadly many with a 100-200 div build that dose a map in 3 min says x div/hr ... plebs like me , dont have douse builds , we take 5+ min per map ( 5 min in the best case scenario ) + they have full altas tree , like if u make a strategi for the noobs , make it for the noobs not with ure 3 mirror character .... ( best league ever for me , got 8 mirror shards from simulacrum :) :) )
I saw this play out a few days ago and for once I made the right play. A video on a particular scarab strategy came out. I was early to the video and thought I might get the scarabs before the price for them went up, and then try the strategy. I got about half of them; my orders for the higher-end ones didn't complete over night and when I looked the next day, prices had jumped considerably. Rather than paying more for the juice, I recognized the demand and sold all the scarabs I'd already accumulated, both off the market and farmed, at these new, higher prices and I went looking for another strategy. Thanks, Mr. Content Creator! It was a good idea, and I might have tried it if we were the only two who knew about it. I might also check on it again in a week or two and see where the prices are at. For now, though, I'm working on Achievements again. As it happens, you also make loot just playing the game.
I do expedition, but runefinding scarab was 15c at some point. I sold it because in my mind... It barely makes a diference with it for such an insane cost. And it was the right play, that 15c went into half a tailoring orb investment.
the reason they don't work is once that streamer is done with said strat they post a video on it than 1000+ people see that video well now you're fighting 1000+ people on that strat. some of them actually running it and than some of them who had the currency already, bought out the low end and then resold it even lower so now it's not as valuable so now that 30+ div strat might be a 10-15 divine strat.
Thats why I calculate my profits per map and see if its consistent. Profit per hour is the weirdest calculation ever to exist, what if I just stand afk in hideout for 10 mins? Lol
One of the problems that i find in every video is the “setup” time and “depth” of investment. Like, when someone says like 60 divs/hour, they dont really add the time they spend buying all the things needed for the strategy such as scarabs, specific maps, and so, where they usually get faster trades or trades from their viewers. I ve seen strategies where you have so sell so many different things that getting the profit takes time, and when that happens, streamers may dip into another strat, but for randoms, disassembling the strat will be impossible until they get their currency back cause they dont have more than whats invested They algo dont take into account some type of “cost” about unmakings or the time they spent gathering and rolling the atlas tree. Like for a 20h a day guy this is nothing, but for someone who plays 2 or 3 hours is an important part of their decision.
Did Harbs before any streamer made a video on them and was easily making 30+ div hr on them in t16s. As soon as some videos go up about them, the price of the scarabs sky rocket, the price of fracturing orbs start to tank. Now I'm looking for something new to do.
id say, one forgotten thing that can RLY help currency farms is knowledge of items. i daily sell items of 30-60 div, white bases, fractured items, a few items have a special mod on it? use recombinator see if itll make a juicy item. just pick up random rares and see if its decent for crafting. recognising those items is mostly knowledge, but you can educate yourself doing so. most of my income is because of fractured crafting bases. delve curse on ring? recombinate on a juicy max life and res ring for big stonks, takes little effort to make 10 div items
The strategy would be to sell the juice and buy the loot when the streamers release a div/hr video. Then wait a few days and put the excess supply back into the market.
Maybe somewhat of a hot take there, but this all stems from a lack of financial literacy. Although it's somewhat easy to solve by learning it even just a little, there's a really easy and simple way to kickstart this process, almost effortlessly. People really just need to get the timer map device mtx, whether they like its aesthetic or not. Its functionality should never have been locked behind an mtx to begin with. (Lowkey one of the worst decisions GGG made, business-wise, onpar if not worst than having to buy stash tabs to be able to trade. This timer should have been a simple tickbox in the UI options like the hovering lifebars. Imagine if you had to pay for those lifebars ffs.) The sole presence of a timer changes players' behaviour, it's been known in game design forever. The very existence of speedruns is a testament to this fact. Having it or not is really night and day difference. Especially since it is so 'in your face', you can't really run a map without knowing how much time it took you, the design of its UI is pure gold to emphasize its psychological effect. I'd say the other counter-type mtx also bring similar results but realistically, since we can only get one of these features at a time, the timer one should bring the most result. It even helps you streamline your atlas progression at league start quite a bit. Because then you 'precisely' know how long each map takes to run with your current build. At some point it might even become second nature, it'll become one of those unconscious factors leading to better decision making.
I find it always so funny how people talk all this efficiency talk about PoE when you can have much more fun without stress by finding something you enjoy doing (or something that's printing money without exploits like Valdo maps)
@@cauthrim4298 What's even more funny is pretending you can ever do vlado maps with the trash budget gear you'd get by not playing efficiently. The irony is exquisite with this one.
Peraonally I love the people sitting in global chat talking about being poor, seriously get out of chat and start blasting maps and you won't be as poor anymore.
I know we’ve talked around this point through the whole video, but it really does come down to recency bias and group think from content access. It happens in every community ESPECIALLY when viewers derive “how” to have fun or “what goals” to set when they play from content creators who, understandably, are also trying to make a living. I’m not saying content creators are wrong. It’s simply important to understand that their goals and fun come from a time investment perspective that isn’t feasible for most people. Awareness is key (and quite cathartic).
The thing is people can't really think for themselves (added to the fact that their job isn't to play the game 8 hours a day... a game that rewards time investment). They don't realize WHY things might work or just don't understand it and can't adapt it to themselves... This league I noticed Harbingers were pretty rippy but damn profitable. One of my Atlas trees is 100% harbinger. I made a tanky AoE build that can easily farm them. I play about 1-2 hours a day and I currently have 28 divines just sitting there, added to all the exalts and hundreds of chaos orbs. No natural drops almost, all flipped currency. I know, this isn't close to what streamers are doing, but once again: 1 to 2 hours per day. I consider myself an average player at best and I'm drowning in currency.I PROMISE you, you can just choose to invest into any one mechanic and it'll work, not at streamer level, but that's a stupid objective: you aren't playing 8 hours per day. And.. chaos recipe still works early league to get you started. I know, its slow and annoying inventory/stash management... but if you need some guaranteed currency early on, just to get you those 2-3 pieces your build needs or to buy some decent resist gear to start mapping, do it. I tend to do it early on if I'm spamming blood aqueducts for levels or the lab for transmute gems or just gem xp/quality. Stop doing it ASAP though, its time consuming and you should reach a point where just blasting maps is more profitable very quickly, which is why I typically only do it before mapping.
that the reason i favor low invest strats , when i turn on my PC after work i dont want to go to a spreadsheet first and see if the juice i bought yesterday is still worth running . i just log on and blast , never looked back
Played with my friend around a year ago. She was brand new but i had around 300hrs (i never really got into endgame myself). We took it slow and did content we liked, blight, expedition and betrayal. We managed to beat maven and uber shaper on league starters and we had a blast. Idk i feel like people forget that youre supposed to have fun and you can get very far even on a league starter build
Rewards volatility is also important to consider. It's irrelevant to people playing 8 hours per day but likely to be very noticeable for those doing a few maps per day
I cant play for many hours so i just have an atlas for harvest/scarabs which gets me like 3 to 6 divs per hour if done right with jungle valley(u can never be as rich as them streamers when u have a 9 to 5 bro just accept it)
i always do the same strat i go map go as high as i can i go for kirac and map notes + betrayal to unlock craft and i got nice items from it and tons of exp then i use 2nd page of atlas to swap into my desired strategy when i got some currency i just profit craft some items or flip currency or i buy unique cheap like for 4 div wait 2 days and i get 16 div from it because some uniques price go up in time. In this league i get 7 div in 2nd day of playing so i invest and craft to get about 40 div in the 4th day. I was happy enough with that so then i just played for fun. The best thing is that i spend much less time on crafting because i used smart trde market and i saved tons of time and some money. At the end i'll say i crafted with rog or buy cheap my gear so i didnt suffer from investing my money so i played without suffering from no money on gear. I was investing my extra money.
Also very important to mention, never EVER trust someone that says a method is not worth running based on some poe ninja stats.. For many leagues content creators would say that essence isn't worth running because they tank in value, and while that IS TRUE for selling tabs in bulk at a loss like 80% poe ninja price, but that is not true for individual essences which are always extremely expensive in bulk, so its almost always worth running something if you're not selling at a loss, such as bulk selling essences
To be fair im doing what I like and money keeps coming 😂 no strategies or any special ideas, just blight and expeditions. Yesterday I did 4 t13 maps of blight and earned 7divines of it( I was lucky). Just stop chasing 500 divines per hour, instead if wasting time for preparation and invest for all of that, play and enjoy stuff you do. Pretty neat
ppl just need to understand that for you to be rich, you just need to work SMARTER. Not all streamer strats will work for you, just find one that you will enjoy doing because you will be doing it alot. Also, every currency on you stash are Divine Orbs, use the currency exchange (AKA AH).
This video hits at the problem with the balance of the game itself. Casual players only putting in a few hours a week will never get enough currency to be able to successfully manage an end game build, especially with streamer strategies. This is probably why most new players never finish the campaign let alone build a character to lvl ~80 who can actually obtain and equip the gear needed to take on high tier maps. An inexperienced casual might beat Kitava, not realize their resistances got nuked by 30%, get into a couple maps and get absolutely wrecked by what appear to be mobs of vanilla monsters. Or they reach a map boss in t2 maps, get one-shotted and have no concept of what happened. They didn't pick up enough useful currency in the campaign, don't understand crafting or the crazy economy of the game and they quit out of frustration. The game is geared to only reward the top tier players, and everybody else can just kick rocks.
Investing in your character is generally my problem I stop to early because I want mageblood and to quit my league start but it takes me like 2 to 3 weeks for the stead of investing more and then selling off my character after.
You need to think the map as slot in casino, ruetoo said this. By doing that you choose the slot, that might be blight slot, ultimatum, ritual, t17 juiced, sanctum etc etc, and you do it fast and effective (build). Also you need to identify which strat is exploit or normal, people follow streamer because its considered as "broken" strat which yield 20x million loot more than any slot
How can I figure out why I'm dying so much? I tried posting the question on reddit, but they took down my post. Anyone have any tips on places I can go to educate myself on what could be killing me so fast?
Funny that u mentioned fubguns strongbox strategy since it isnt rly effected by lower loot prices as demand surges because they just drop basic currency and div cards. The only thing that dropped in price are uber frags and valdos puzzle box
Usually, at this point of the league, I try to do low cost strategies with close to guaranteed results. Alira Corruption temples are an easy 1 div, and if you are fast, you can farm a few per hour. Same with life force. I used to do Maven Bosses too, but it isn't as great anymore since the prices of conqueror maps tanked. I farmed a Mjolner Manabond build doing this strat a couple leagues back.
To add to this, there are strategies that make little or no sence in t17s at all. Harbringers and Essenses are two prime examples, they don't scale with map tier so putting them in maps above yellows is actually inefficient, since its harder and slower. and of course there is always off-map content like delve, heist, sanctum and lab, that doesn't have anything to do with t17s at all
i would say that the amount of factors that could change a scarab price is so much more than just a streamer saying this or that. is it the majority of the price change? perhaps. hard to say really.
Hey Ducks, heads up you have the math flipped around. Juice - Loot = -Net Gain (or Loss) is the inverse of the correct math. Correct math is Loot - Juice = Net Gain (or -Loss). Not really wrong, but could confuse someone if they truly are bad at math.
That's why I abused heist on leaguestart. I started in act 8 and kept playing it very early on a fast character (did wintertide brand ascendant with pathfinder node). Its unpopular + has no entry cost (especially early with low level contracts that are 1 chance orb) + gives raw chaos, which was easily dumped into veiled orbs/other investments. I ignored maps until like day 4, because maps dont drop anything early and Im not a boss rusher. It was such a smart move honestly...I never tried to do this. I put my brain together for once and now I think I got around 4 mirror shards :D Everything is possible if you master the build you are playing and think in reverse, what others dont do so you can benefit the most.
I'm a casual player. I understand the game, its mechanics and complexities but I still choose to play it in a lax manner because I do it to chill. That being said, even I have methods to make money. One season I only farmed Altars of Corruption T3 to sell for 1 o 2 Divines and made quite a nice profit while doing maybe 15-20 regular maps (no juicing) a night. As Ducks here said. The real secret of profit here is just playing a lot and being fast at playing. Almost every currency strategy requires you to zoom-zoom many maps quickly to, most likely, gather fragments or get certain crafts (like in Syndicate).
What is the firestorm build you are running in the background footage? Firestorm is my favorite skill in the game but I can never make it work properly. Thanks in advance!
Another good video, Ducks - this 2nd era of Big Ducks is a good one. I always choose something I find fun over something that gets the most currency. It's a game not a job. Everything I do in POE is crazy inefficient and wasteful but it doesn't bother me. As long as the journey is fun then it doesn't matter how long it takes.
One mistake I made for the longest time that was costing me div/hr is hoarding assets because I will need them later. Later is not now and inflation keeps rolling. Liquidate assets, reinvest, run higher div/hr now so even if the price increases slightly when you buy it back later, you still made it back tenfold already with the increased div/hr now. I had a kalandra's touch drop this league, second biggest single drop I've ever had. I will need it eventually but currently my best ring is about 7divines worth so I can't justify using a 11 divine ring to copy pasta it. I can justify getting 11 divs in my bank so I get to my returning projectiles craft faster which will give me a 40ish % more damage because the nerf on the gem drops, and then another 40ish % on top because I have a slot to fit awakened elemental focus. That's double damage allowing me to run 100% delirium with some ease, that'll do it for your div/hr. So even though I need that ring and will have to buy it back later for who knows maybe 15 divines by that time, I will have made that entire 15 divine back with just the increase in profits in no time. That goes for small stuff too. Fusings, fragments, scarabs, you can all buy it back later when you actually need it. Right here and now you need liquid assets to buy more power so you can run all that cool stuff to begin with.
the best way to make currency is playing 15+ hours a day the first week of a league start and listening to skilled streamers while playing or being in discord with experienced players of your guild. if i dont have a week off at the league start i just play SSF.
I use the streamer strats to learn about what NOT to waste time and currency on. Its a super super useful tool if used correctly... Saves me alot of time
I quit the league yesterday. Every league I come back and get bored chasing currency instead of items. Poe is becoming more of a stock market game every season. I just wanna play games not have currency strategies that I have to pre-plan etc. it’s a game man.
You see the same problem in ffxiv or other large mmos. If a content creator makes a video about how to make money, that method is going to immediately crash within the next few days because the market is going to become over saturated due to the amount of people doing it. Great video!
Short answer: When a streamer reveals their currency strat it gets overused FAST leading to flooding the market or getting the price of w/e is used skyrocket. If people want to make currency they have to think and experiment, not wait for someone else to tell them. Other thing is often streamers bait viewers with a strategy that in the end will make the streamer more rich. Kinda like in pyramid scam
The solution is for people to learn the atlas tree generally, then decide on a mechanic they enjoy doing, and then build their tree around that mechanic themselves. No really, that IS the solution. Build guides are one thing, and are useful, because builds are very complex things. But atlas guides are not nearly as needed because when you really sit down and look at the Atlas tree, it is significantly less complicated than the skill tree. But all in all this is a good video. Goes over a seemingly obvious conundrum that a lot of people overlook. I think the only time a currency farming strategy works well is if it revolves around raw currency drops and not item/loot drops. The whole whisp juicing graveyard strat of affliction league worked very very well because it revolved around raw currency drops. Did divines lose value? yeah. but then the entire economy adapted and we saw (due to sheer number of players and sheer amount of rarity/quant people could get for free) tier 0 uniques come down to their lowest prices in history. Headhunters were going for 50-80 divines. Mageblood dropped to 125 divines. But yeah for the most part currency guides are self defeating.
"Yoooo what is up guys, Grim here, in today's video I'm gonna showcase you the new atlas strategy that's I've been using to farm my mageblood in 48 hours and that will be ruined after this video since the market will be destroyed"
10:20 I'm shocked! 🤣 Seriously tho, this is 100% true. I wish creators would report gains on a "per map" basis instead of "per hour." I will never play that fast regardless of the character. It is a skill issue, as they say!
Problem I have with this is that it is is the paradox of needing currency to make currency but theses are not strategies that you can afford right out of the campaign while you have like 3c, except exactly flipping currency which is boring.
I hate div per hour thing because its super variable depending on rng and build you are doing (maybe a streamer has quant or magic find mods on the gear that you don't, or his build just clears much faster), instead it should be chaos profit per map (accounting the rarity and quant mods on gear), because you are investing maps and time is not a real currency in game, generally most maps clear the same, all you care is the return from the strat. For example if a streamer says I clear this map which I invested a 50c and got 200c profit then that price increase on scarabs by 10-20c will not impact much on overall returns.
not every youtuber that uploads a video on a strategy is gonna make the market super weird, but a perfect example recently is the breach market when snoobae uploaded a video. the snares scarab which is like 10c in bulk at best absolutely skyrocketed to 30c each in bulk. The video had 18k views at the time. it just seems like people dont really know what to do without a youtuber or streamer telling them. theres nothing inherently wrong with that but it perpetuates a lot of the problems i see people complaining about
You can also just take all the scarab nodes and even with scoured red maps you will make currency. Less time in hideout and youtube, more time in the maps.
How do i fix the skill issue where whenever i run a snoobae strat i get 10-20% of the div cards he gets. Same Setup, past leagues even same mf build. Tested over at least 20 strats. For example fully juiced invested cemeteries few leagues back he got 42 brothers gifts in 100 maps, i got 8. This league 960 dappers before the first fire of unknown origins when accordring to his math its 140:1.
Theres one factor you havent calculated in (or I missed it). Ill use my own experience as an example. 3 leagues ago Ive watched some blight videos. Ive tried the strat and thought it was fun! At the time I didnt make a lot since loads of people tried it but ive learned! This league, Ive tried to do it again. Since there wasnt a lot of streamers talking about it I was able to buy maps for 5-10 chaos per T16 blighted map and the oils I farmed myself. I made a good 30 divs fearly quickly because Ive learned about a strat IN THE PAST! Right now Im doing strongboxes in T16s and I realise my income isnt as high as it could be, but Im learning! Keep the strat vids coming, at some point Ill have a pleathura of strats and I can pick whichever seems best for that time!
so i have time to play, but i only really do the mechanics i like, i bargain shop scarabs and try to figure out my own builds based on other pobs. referencing the other pobs essentially, this league ive made probably 50 to 100 divines and i did it with shitty very unpopular methods. Ive bricked my character twice, and had to rebuild , also wasted tons of c and divs on junk that t i lost my ass on..... just have funa nd push hard to get stuff, it will come :)
That is why I do 2 things when I watch those kinda of videos - Learn how it works and try to implement some of my learning into a diferent stratagy that does not overlap too much - See what that strategy needs, figure out how to farm that stuff and be the provider for it
Love the video!! The last couple of leagues I've hit the wall. I get to almost touch t17, but not really... I simply can't get past it. I ran 1 easy t17 the other day and was all stoked... just got totally destroyed in one today.
My strat, do challenges, while doing so, get loads of wealth .. Just getting 40 safehouses will build many Catarinas, dropped 4 veiled orbs so far, so 20 div right there.
cheeeesr! THIS RIGHT HERE!! This is the 1st leageu where ive bene trying my hardest to test different methods for what i enjoy, and also for my own speed while i finish my motnh 1 grind up to a headhunter on a silly noob slow bow build cause im too unwilling to invest like an idiot buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut PROFIT/HR AND SUCH HAS BEEN TERRIBLE a for sooooooooooo many videos and community problems for sure!~ its hyper unrealistic for vast majority of peope l AND NO ONE SHARES EVEN A BREIF IDEA OF WHAT BUILD THEY RAN FOR IT! i think a " INVESTMENT PER MAP --> PROFIT PER MAP, xxxxx AVERAGED MAPS" IS IMPORTANT! and should be largly adooppted by the currency strategy hawking community, BUT i love ALL SORTS OF IDEAS! so its what ist is and im just trying to filter nad learn until I have a buidl thats good lol or till i reroll into lightning strike nad REALLY enjoy month 2 idk~ but still div/hr is important if you can note an average map run speed and such but we NEED more of the story for sure!!!! LIKE WE ALSO NEED LIQUIDATION TIME! eszsences are where i realized this cause while the sales market makes it POSSIBLE for me to try, it still takes time to learn ratios, set prices, get sales etc etc etc etc etc, so unless your strategy is extreemly liquid like harvest juice or w/e, it critical to start giving insights into liquidation time CAUSE NOT ALL OF US TRUST OR WANT OT USE 3RD PARTY BULK LIQUIDATION tool. none the less i think its good they exist, but i just means it a massive investment of time and SEVERLY limkits the number of strats that can be run with notable profit~ like why i enjoy self farming 8 mod maps 10 ways to sunday, but will almost never sell 8mod maps to peopel because its so painstaking, and thatm eans the profit i could make doing what i enjoy is none existent~ or yep cheeeeers its wild that with a league as crazy and fun as this one, weve had a MASSIVE number omethods and strats and options to do, AND WHILE I DO THINK THAT SOME VERY SPEICFIC VERY OVER HYPED AND POPULAR OPTICALLY STRATS ARE T17 PRICED OUT like compartment boxes, theres soooooooooooooo many things that you can do on t16s that IS for profit that 17s couldnt especially farming t17s, BUT THAT ALSO HYPE FOCUSES WHAT CONTENT SOMEONE CAN RUN WHICH SUCKS IF U DONT ENJOY IT or if your build isnt good at it :(((((((
pretty much any mechanic in the game makes money, you just need to do the basics, roll maps, atlas and scarab for it.. sure it might not be 30 divs/minute but its not hard to make a profit. Ive done the streamer strategies and Ive had success with less known streamers, the big names I noticed the streamer influence on price and learnt my lesson, now II immediately think what are they buying so Im going to farm to sell to this guys. In the end I think its valid to try those strategies from videos to at least know them, might come in handy next season or later to adapt some other strategy.
I haven’t even been in a T17 this league. I’ve made dozens of divines in delve. Even though the adorned nerf killed curiosity, Vaal aspect’s value. There is still so much value in the mines. Just selling fossils and resonators straight to the exchange makes me bank
On top of things mentioned, streamers/content creators are incentivised to exaggerate numbers and make what is essentially a "bait" video. All of this combined, and a "25d/hr" video, that is in reality maybe "8-10d/hr" strategy, becomes "4-5d/hr" strategy in practice.
Maybe for you, but not for others. What people like you don't seem to realize is just how much more inefficient and slower you are than certain streamers. A 20d/hr strat for one person might be only a 6-7d/hr strat for another, because by the time that person finished one map the other already finished 3. Most peoples loot filter just isn't strict enough, they spend too much time between maps and get sidetracked too easy.
@@sgt.pepper5078 I agree with you, but there's genuinely a lot of bait strats/builds on YT and content creators tend to exaggerate the numbers (it's a conflict of interest otherwise). I'd consider myself pretty efficient and have been doing juiced farming for a long time now, but quite often the numbers don't just add up.
@@foreseerx Sure there is a lot of bait, especially builds. If content creators have to boast about their d/hr in the title or thumbnail I would be cautious. But still I think most people underestimate just how inefficient they are compared to the top players.
@@sgt.pepper5078 I agree, I think there's a lot of issues here that result in discrepancies; just since the video was focusing more on the content creation side, I was also focusing more on that. If you're taking 10 minutes per map with semi-strict filter, then it's all irrelevant, but it's frustrating to deal with insincere clickbaity content creation in PoE space otherwise, and as you're saying, usually it comes from those who boast about it in title/thumbnail.
Just a tip guys, when people discover a gold mine, start selling shovels. Dont run for the gold.
This, exactly.
This 1000% and I would add that if you find gold don't open your mouth
@@alexdettmann6052open your mouth and sell the shovels
This!!! Just put scarabs and strongboxes on your atlas and just roll the map well. Hideout is lava and go.
@@eshannuminlmao you totally misunderstood the comment. Hes saying find the enabler of the market, (which granted is extremely vague what the shovels would be) while youre saying get it twisted run for the gold mine like everyone else
By the time the streamer post the video, they are done with that farm and off loading the mats they have.
They also sold early access to their channel where the next market murder will happen. Ofcourse not intentionall. Guess why people follow those channels...
They are finding the strategies on stream in front of thousands of people you don't need to wait the video everyone already knows about the strat. Just making up excuses.
@@Olanar2000 Not making excuses. I don't follow streamers to play the game. I do my own thing an make plenty of currency. Don't need someone to tell me how to do it. Sounds like my comment hit a nerve on you.
@@Olanar2000 during the stream its unclear how profitable it is because you have to run 50-100 maps and then calculate all the profits to make a video. Unless you watch everything and calculate everything during the stream which I am pretty sure 99% of people are not doing
Not all of them, but yeah, most
There are two main reasons why I don't like the "currency per hour" mindset.
1) It assumes that you are running maps at least as efficiently as the person telling you about the strategy, which is **very often** not the case.
2) You generally need a build that can clear screens at movement speed, with your movement speed being at least 200% while also being tanky enough to survive all of the juice you need to throw on the map to make the strategy work, which will very frequently gate the vast majority of builds out of the conversation. (in fact this often leads to players trying to emulate the exact build that the content creator used to do this strategy which ends up putting them in the red rather than making actual profit)
It will never happen but I wish the community could talk about currency strategies based on per map profits rather than per hour (or maybe per 10 maps or something since profit per single map isn't always consistent). This removes speed and efficiency from the conversation and gives the player a baseline to look for to see if the strategy is actually working/worth the investment or if they should try to look for something else.
Something else that you don't really mention in this video is the lack of information on quite a number of currency making guides about how exactly you should be juicing your maps. Many of the guides I've looked at over the years will say something along the lines of "Use this exact atlas tree and as long as you juice your maps you'll get huge profits" which is very much so not true. In fact I would go so far as to say that juicing your map "correctly" is way more important to your profit margins than simply running some cookie cutter atlas tree.
The currency per hour mindset is the part of the game, if you remove all the currency, then just x kill per hour, x mob per hour, x thing per hour, its just how the game plays, same in real life, if you can earn 1000$ a day instead of a week or a month why not lol
@@Toxickys Two major flaws here:
1) The mindset is not part of the game, its part of the community and its very flawed. The math works out *Better* if you phrase it per map/instance rather than per hour as it becomes more consistent considering the RNG involved.
2) There is a massive dissonance between gaming and real life, the moment you start treating a game like a job you've left the conversation. The dissonance between gaming and real life is pretty vast.
- In real life people are often locked into a specific amount of earnings over the course of a specific timeframe and the only thing that can change that amount is the individual themselves deciding to no longer earn *any* money.
- For the individuals that are billed on a per hour basis its often the case that working *too* efficiently will earn you *less* profit per hour, which (in my experience) has never been the case in gaming even once.
- In real life you are (usually) not in control of if you get a promotion or not and are often relying on an outside entity to do that for you. In gaming its the exact opposite.
- In real life there is a limited number of people that can work a specific job (or work at all) in gaming (specifically in PoE) there is no limit to how many people can do the same exact thing, the prices just go up based on demand.
@@kilikx1x Thats why you don't earn good amount currency, because you can't think outside of the box, in real if you are working in a job, you are doing it wrong, be the boss of the people and let them make money for you instead of work for small amount of money, same in game, do the best strat, flip items, craft etc for big money instead of just work for a few div / hour this is not just about being efficient, it's about being smart, btw treating gaming as a job is okey, it's not a 90s when gaming was cringe or just looser plays games, in 2024 you can earn money while gaming as a pro, like in league of legends, or csgo etc, or just be a streamer or youtuber while playing games, so treating a game as a job its completly fine no matter if you make or not make real money with it, btw a lot of people enjoying the "i want to be insane good at this game" like playing in wow in the best guild and getting world first kills, or server first kill, best items first in the server etc etc, to me casual gaming is like watching a videon on 2x speed or skipping half of a part of a movie etc, pointless and doesn't make any sense
@@Toxickys Lol. Lmao even, you clearly don't know how the world works. Please don't respond to this message.
Prime example of this is Empy's Expedition strat. 21 div/h. Wow, great strat let's do this. But wait a minute, it took him only 2.5 min per map. It's not achievable for most people. You will die in maps, you will make some brakes and of course do some trades. Most poeple can't just blast for hours. Great thing is that he says also profit per map and its around 1 div, so I know that with this strat I will make 8-10divs/h if I sell most of the things. Also people need to realize that for some strats you need specific build. Expedition - get some explode. Don't try it with single target double strike.
I definitely learned this league that I really need to have 3 or more strats I like to farm that are different enough to not influence each other but similar enough where I can do them with the same build. Or ideally, the strats are complimentary. Eg, one that farms scarabs to sell and one that uses specific scarabs to profit. So, I can do whichever is optimal at any given time.
IMO the best strat is the one you actually enjoy. Something you won't get sick of and something that won't feel like second job.
Having 3 atlas trees helps reduce the monotony - loved that change.
@@---do2qd true, that's the best change they ever made.
I loved old lab… it will never come back.
"streamer" stategies dont work since You're not playing POE 10-12h a day
Wasnt it 40 hours per day?
Either way you cant buy for cheep, you will always be ad disadvantage
Dumb take. It doesn't work because input costs become higher for materials to run it.
Law of averages
@@AbdulRehman-hm5do Exactly, idk who is liking this comment lol...CURRENCY PER HOUR does not require you to play 10h a day, it's obviously already called PER HOUR...dumb asf take 🤣🤣🤣😂
If your barber knows of an investment by then everyone knows about it and you should stay away from it. Kudos @Big Ducks for being one of the most helpful and truthful cc for especially beginner exiles.
As a trader I lol'd.. it's the truth.
fubgun is a prime example, any strat he does on stream gets gutted after 30 minutes because everyone watching is now also doing it
His strongbox strat still prints money like crazy
typical reddit take, i ve been doing his t17 strongbox strat for almost 1 week now and it s been a constant 20-25 div/hr 😂😂😂
@@Zylosiodoes it work for t16?
@@waftwdoes it work for t16?
@@tesladrew2608 nope, and even T17 also not worked. I farmed T17 strongbox with full tree and scarab and got 10 chaos orbs with multiple trash currencies any items while cost 5 portals to clear all the map
The #1 way to find a good and reliable strat is to find one from last league, investigate the patch notes, and make sure it wasn't changed. Then run it early, run it often, say nothing. Also any strat that requires no investment is less sensitive to streamer inflation. Also, stop buying gear unless you hit a brick wall. Craft stuff with essences and play league starters that easily fill defensive gaps.
Describe defensive gaps
This guys is smart I love streamer strategies to study for next league since… I don’t know why people forget about them on next league until another video comes out about it then they try to do it.. 😅I’m still a noob but why is that?
Me with cold dot trickster megatank that needs 10c for 4 voidstones and farms heists to get rich since no one cares about heist, but its busted:
@@beasthaven1571People are sheeps and follow the streamers for the "best" way to get currency. But in reality, the best way is to farm whatever you like and whatever you are good at.
Chieftain is easy max elemental res, slayer and jugg endurance charges, inquisitor gives great recovery. Rf chieftain is the easiest thing in the world ro leaguestart now. Its not giga dps, but you can get 4 voidstones pretty easy. Pohx's website literally tells you everything. Don't but the exact jewels he says though lol do somw thinking and mix up where you get stats.
The problem isn't only T17s, it's the whole margins business in the first place. If you have to PAY to use a good currency strategy, then whatever means can squeeze out more loot from that currency strategy is going to end up being the best thing you can do. This is why party play is a problem, because they can squeeze out far more loot than anyone else for the same amount of investment, since you only put in scarabs once, but get >2x the loot.
Outside of the stated obvious facts about the strats basically being worthless once they are posted, is the fact that a lot of streamers literally live and breathe these games. They have no lives, no relationships, no kids, most no job outside of streaming. The game is their life and livelihood. This game rewards time invested into it more than any other factor. If you play casually as the majority of the player base does, then you shouldn't expect the same returns. It also helps to have a guild that funnels you currency and gear during the first few days to give an even bigger advantage.
Most profitable strat: do your favorite mechanics on your favorite maps fast and non-stop , instead of spending an hour on TH-cam searching for the optimal farming strats, wasting 50 unmakings to redo your atlas, realizing only 3 maps later that you don’t like it or your build can’t even handle it, then resorting to TH-cam again for the next “best” strat that you’re going to give up on after 5 maps.
I like to just find a couple optimized atlas from streamers and then just play and have fun. Trying to copy a streamers currency strategy they've been doing since day 1 and got a mageblood on day 2-3 isnt going to mean you'll ever get a mageblood.
i was doing deli start extremely casually because i end up doing 2 maps and sitting on youtube then doing 2 maps 10 mins later.
after realising i was poor i thought let me actually play the game for 1 hour with my strat.
ended up making like 8 divs in an hour. major skill issue because i cant play the game for more than 20 mins without getting sidetracked
its a blessing when your league starter requires no thinking and you can just run all content in a some what efficient manner.
pobbing mid-mapping takes sl much of my time
This is why the backpack in affliction was a godsend for me. I out my stuff in there and didn't stop till it was empty so I could focus lol
@@JEASOUA yh been playing ele hit and my strat hits around 80% deli, been in pob way longer than actually playing. Breach + deli gets out of control especially cus I only have inspired learning rn
Most Ethical PoE TH-camr ever. I’m glad I found you. You’re my replacement for TarkeCat being away. Please start making videos about if it’s raining outside 😆
Him and Badger had cool chill vibes.
Did he quit?
@@theelder4797he hasn’t posted but one video in the last year. Not sure if he’s even playing PoE, but he’s not streaming or making videos 😢
This is all great advice. One thing missing, and you and others have brought this up many times, just missing here, is having a good loot filter and filtering out stuff you just don't want. Also, I find it incredibly disingenuous whenever anyone says /hour and they aren't factoring all the time it took to set up the maps rolling good modifiers, or the time it takes to sell items. You need to be online to sell. That takes time. You have to leave your map to sell. That takes time. Like, lots of time. I make 100 div an hour! No, you made all this stuff you can sell for 100 div.
It wouldn't make sense to factor in the time it takes to sell the stuff exactly because that's pretty random depending on the loot but normally streamers say this is easy to sell this is not yada yada
@@TheLouisGreen well, until this league loot liquidation was a nightmare. You either lost a lot of time waiting for buyers or you lost a lot of currency matching a buyer in TFT.
The truth is that very few people run 6-8h of maps and then unload. Most would want to unload 2-3 hours in, way before the bulk premium kicks in
@@catalintudorciurte309 I cannot express enough love for the Currency Exchange we got. So many headaches in Leagues prior trying to get some jackass to respond to their listings!
@@TheLouisGreen The problem with not factoring it in at all is that different strategies have wildly different sell times. Some strategies drop tons of different loot types that all need to be sorted, checked, and sold separately. Others just drop a few or even a single loot type that can be sold in seconds. That means in one strategy you might spend around 15-30 mins per hour selling loot, while in another you're done in 1 min. Here even a rough estimate is far better than just not factoring it in at all. This is even more true if you also factor in setup time as this has the same issues. One strategy might spend half its time setting up and selling while another has no setup and sells in 1% of the time. This needs to be factored in even if it's just a rough estimate.
you can flip a lot of stuff instantly on the currency exchange now, I'm making my money farming and flipping stacked decks and scarabs for example
How to get loot in 3 easy steps:
1.) Kill stuff
2.) ???
3.) Profit
i saw a video of tytykiller showing his /kills after 30h or so. he murdered 700k monsters
@@camaradebanzani9405 What the hell, I'm at 800k after these 3 weeks lol and felt like I played a good amount
I kill stuff but drops in maps are all trash.
Yeah loot is trash this league but I used some to build up to crafting. Made about 200 divs from crafting this league. Hopefully loot is better next league
@@MrPatchPlays I love when you ship huge valuable shipments and get 3 runes and trash items. So fun.
You also have to consider play time. It takes me 2-3 days to play through just the campaign just due to availability. So, by day 4, I am just starting a strategy. I can't follow what worked day 2 because it will already have a massive amount of players trying it and driving the price down. People who put down less than 15 hours a week in the game will always fall short on a lot of the cheaper entries to some of these strategies.
Then dont follow that strat and make your own... thats the point of the vid.
@GE_Photon_Lord duh, it was the very first sentence that gave my whole post its meaning. Followed by an example of why streamer strats don't work for most players. My post wasn't a complaint in the least. I always play my own way.
every league i want to play "normally" but then i strugle vs unkillable mobs with my 1c league starter and end up flipping shit on trade until i have my mageblood
Flipping is a skill worth learning and up to mageblood hella impressive not gonna lie that’s hard.
@@beasthaven1571everything has some margin. even the simplest idea which is buying div cards like divine beauty still gives like 5-10c profit per card but as you get richer you want to look for higher profit per trade stuff
for example i went 300c to 10d with smaller trades from 10 to 50d divining min roll yoke of suffering to good/max roll and now im crafting rare clusters and high eledps claws and swords at 100d+ since after a certain point crafting is better then trading since its high risk high reward but you can afford to lose now
Actual bayzed megachad.
I play arpg's to kill mobs and pick up loot, not sift through an auction house flipping items for currency... Times like this makes me happy I enjoy SSF way more than trade.
Nothing wrong with really enjoying an economy based game esp when it's a fresh economy it's very exciting but also just collecting all your own stuff is very fun too!@@Huckle777
Im glad I play SSF. I grind for and craft my own items, still clear all content and don't have to worry about not using scarabs on a t17 because I wont make max profit. Some people forget they are playing a game for fun and not working a stock market job kekw
The main point why they generally dont work is because a streamer typically runs a map in, I don't know... depending on the strategy like 3-4 minutes probably. and streamers have consumed the "hideout is lava" mentality. so that means, they don't just run a map in 4 minutes, they also run basically the full 15 maps per hour. and then they run maps for 10 hours a day, aka 150 maps a day. of course the RNG balances out over these 150 maps, so they can safely say they made 100 divs on a single day, and thats 10 div an hour.
whereas casual joe me over here takes 10 maps an hour, both because the build is not that good yet and I am a lazy mf.
and I almost afk in hideout between maps because there was this new cat video on youtube I have to watch first.
so I end up running like 4 maps an hour, and then I am only playing like 4 hours a day, so I run 16 maps a day. pretty much the same amount mr streamer did in a single hour.
now, if I would do that for 10 days straight (which I don't because I have to work and shit) I probably would also end up with 100 div after this pretty much 2 weeks. but usually I don't. thats why i am poor. but I am okay with that :)
Do you hate sanctum? Or would you like to try it out? It seems you are able to play and can focus well, but also want to make more profit without having to keep up with streamers since less time. I highly recommend sanctum.
That's not a main reason lol, you just have adhd. Sure streamers tend to have more total free time, but you should be a lot more efficient than them since you don't have to respond to a chat
@@moo4700You say it like we all dont have adhd. Plus mapping is straight up boring in this game, if someone gave me a mirror I would stop farming currency 😂
With my ADHD there's no way I can stick to one strat. Also, cats are too beautiful to pass on 😂
One thing i learned about making currency, is play what mechanic you find fun. Only look at currency guides if youre trying to find which method isnt being abused currently.
Last league i did Deli Abyss, and made easily over 100+ div in the 3rd league ive played. I got 2 jewels that were worth 35 div from Abyssal Depths which i assume were inflated due to no one maining Abyss.
No play whatever is profitable. Who cares about the fun
Well, you can make 100 div a league doing basically anything... Probably even chaos recipes
My currency strat has been pretty much the same as always. Build density, blow up the map. Is it hyper focused, nope, but i have farmed enough currency to buy a 10 div shield and 5 div rf helmet so its working i guess.
Delirium, beyond, exarch towers shrines. Its alot of stuff on the map and i just blast it
I don't care if this crashes, but run a t17 map *grinding* atlas. Stack map drops and searing exarch buffs (or run Eater if exarch hurts your build too much) and run Toxic Sewer and one of the maps next to it. Each t17 sells for 130c if it's Ziggurat and 120 if it's Sanctuary (I was grinding City Square). Giga stonks. You can also sell or run the invitations for some extra money.
I tried like 6 different strats this league so far and all of them worked pretty well. Expedition, harvest with or without the awakened scarab, harbi (now a bit pricy) alch&go, rogue exiles, ritual, whatever. it all works to make decents amounts of currency. People need to stop crying and start trying things.
Heyo Mr. Ducks , I concord with you , but sadly many with a 100-200 div build that dose a map in 3 min says x div/hr ... plebs like me , dont have douse builds , we take 5+ min per map ( 5 min in the best case scenario ) + they have full altas tree , like if u make a strategi for the noobs , make it for the noobs not with ure 3 mirror character .... ( best league ever for me , got 8 mirror shards from simulacrum :) :) )
I saw this play out a few days ago and for once I made the right play. A video on a particular scarab strategy came out. I was early to the video and thought I might get the scarabs before the price for them went up, and then try the strategy. I got about half of them; my orders for the higher-end ones didn't complete over night and when I looked the next day, prices had jumped considerably. Rather than paying more for the juice, I recognized the demand and sold all the scarabs I'd already accumulated, both off the market and farmed, at these new, higher prices and I went looking for another strategy.
Thanks, Mr. Content Creator! It was a good idea, and I might have tried it if we were the only two who knew about it. I might also check on it again in a week or two and see where the prices are at. For now, though, I'm working on Achievements again. As it happens, you also make loot just playing the game.
Remember the strategy for next league .. write it down ~ people will forget next league start
I do expedition, but runefinding scarab was 15c at some point. I sold it because in my mind... It barely makes a diference with it for such an insane cost. And it was the right play, that 15c went into half a tailoring orb investment.
the reason they don't work is once that streamer is done with said strat they post a video on it than 1000+ people see that video well now you're fighting 1000+ people on that strat. some of them actually running it and than some of them who had the currency already, bought out the low end and then resold it even lower so now it's not as valuable so now that 30+ div strat might be a 10-15 divine strat.
The metric needs to change to $ per 100 maps vs $ per hour… people do not realize how SLOW they are. That’s it.
Thats why I calculate my profits per map and see if its consistent. Profit per hour is the weirdest calculation ever to exist, what if I just stand afk in hideout for 10 mins? Lol
The best $ per hour is profit crafting and hideout warrior strategies, no maps required
I remember back in The Awakening one prominent streamer was selling magic rings with mediocre life rolls (
One of the problems that i find in every video is the “setup” time and “depth” of investment. Like, when someone says like 60 divs/hour, they dont really add the time they spend buying all the things needed for the strategy such as scarabs, specific maps, and so, where they usually get faster trades or trades from their viewers. I ve seen strategies where you have so sell so many different things that getting the profit takes time, and when that happens, streamers may dip into another strat, but for randoms, disassembling the strat will be impossible until they get their currency back cause they dont have more than whats invested
They algo dont take into account some type of “cost” about unmakings or the time they spent gathering and rolling the atlas tree. Like for a 20h a day guy this is nothing, but for someone who plays 2 or 3 hours is an important part of their decision.
Did Harbs before any streamer made a video on them and was easily making 30+ div hr on them in t16s. As soon as some videos go up about them, the price of the scarabs sky rocket, the price of fracturing orbs start to tank. Now I'm looking for something new to do.
love how the diviner delirium orb doubled in price
id say, one forgotten thing that can RLY help currency farms is knowledge of items. i daily sell items of 30-60 div, white bases, fractured items, a few items have a special mod on it? use recombinator see if itll make a juicy item. just pick up random rares and see if its decent for crafting. recognising those items is mostly knowledge, but you can educate yourself doing so. most of my income is because of fractured crafting bases. delve curse on ring? recombinate on a juicy max life and res ring for big stonks, takes little effort to make 10 div items
The strategy would be to sell the juice and buy the loot when the streamers release a div/hr video. Then wait a few days and put the excess supply back into the market.
Maybe somewhat of a hot take there, but this all stems from a lack of financial literacy. Although it's somewhat easy to solve by learning it even just a little, there's a really easy and simple way to kickstart this process, almost effortlessly.
People really just need to get the timer map device mtx, whether they like its aesthetic or not. Its functionality should never have been locked behind an mtx to begin with. (Lowkey one of the worst decisions GGG made, business-wise, onpar if not worst than having to buy stash tabs to be able to trade. This timer should have been a simple tickbox in the UI options like the hovering lifebars. Imagine if you had to pay for those lifebars ffs.)
The sole presence of a timer changes players' behaviour, it's been known in game design forever. The very existence of speedruns is a testament to this fact. Having it or not is really night and day difference. Especially since it is so 'in your face', you can't really run a map without knowing how much time it took you, the design of its UI is pure gold to emphasize its psychological effect.
I'd say the other counter-type mtx also bring similar results but realistically, since we can only get one of these features at a time, the timer one should bring the most result.
It even helps you streamline your atlas progression at league start quite a bit. Because then you 'precisely' know how long each map takes to run with your current build. At some point it might even become second nature, it'll become one of those unconscious factors leading to better decision making.
Took me 1 minute. Hmmm...maybe I should use a couple speed tattoos.
Timer stress me out too much
I find it always so funny how people talk all this efficiency talk about PoE when you can have much more fun without stress by finding something you enjoy doing (or something that's printing money without exploits like Valdo maps)
@@cauthrim4298 What's even more funny is pretending you can ever do vlado maps with the trash budget gear you'd get by not playing efficiently. The irony is exquisite with this one.
@@corpusarmatae8541 if you don't know any good builds that don't cost mirrors or the fact that non-void valdos exist, it's on you
8:00 What is that mod in the bottom left over your flasks. It's some kind of timer for when currency drops next or which items you want to pick up?
Peraonally I love the people sitting in global chat talking about being poor, seriously get out of chat and start blasting maps and you won't be as poor anymore.
Good morning. Been thinking this same thing.
I know we’ve talked around this point through the whole video, but it really does come down to recency bias and group think from content access. It happens in every community ESPECIALLY when viewers derive “how” to have fun or “what goals” to set when they play from content creators who, understandably, are also trying to make a living. I’m not saying content creators are wrong. It’s simply important to understand that their goals and fun come from a time investment perspective that isn’t feasible for most people. Awareness is key (and quite cathartic).
The thing is people can't really think for themselves (added to the fact that their job isn't to play the game 8 hours a day... a game that rewards time investment). They don't realize WHY things might work or just don't understand it and can't adapt it to themselves...
This league I noticed Harbingers were pretty rippy but damn profitable. One of my Atlas trees is 100% harbinger. I made a tanky AoE build that can easily farm them. I play about 1-2 hours a day and I currently have 28 divines just sitting there, added to all the exalts and hundreds of chaos orbs. No natural drops almost, all flipped currency.
I know, this isn't close to what streamers are doing, but once again: 1 to 2 hours per day. I consider myself an average player at best and I'm drowning in currency.I PROMISE you, you can just choose to invest into any one mechanic and it'll work, not at streamer level, but that's a stupid objective: you aren't playing 8 hours per day.
And.. chaos recipe still works early league to get you started. I know, its slow and annoying inventory/stash management... but if you need some guaranteed currency early on, just to get you those 2-3 pieces your build needs or to buy some decent resist gear to start mapping, do it. I tend to do it early on if I'm spamming blood aqueducts for levels or the lab for transmute gems or just gem xp/quality. Stop doing it ASAP though, its time consuming and you should reach a point where just blasting maps is more profitable very quickly, which is why I typically only do it before mapping.
that the reason i favor low invest strats , when i turn on my PC after work i dont want to go to a spreadsheet first and see if the juice i bought yesterday is still worth running .
i just log on and blast , never looked back
Played with my friend around a year ago. She was brand new but i had around 300hrs (i never really got into endgame myself). We took it slow and did content we liked, blight, expedition and betrayal. We managed to beat maven and uber shaper on league starters and we had a blast. Idk i feel like people forget that youre supposed to have fun and you can get very far even on a league starter build
Rewards volatility is also important to consider. It's irrelevant to people playing 8 hours per day but likely to be very noticeable for those doing a few maps per day
I cant play for many hours so i just have an atlas for harvest/scarabs which gets me like 3 to 6 divs per hour if done right with jungle valley(u can never be as rich as them streamers when u have a 9 to 5 bro just accept it)
i always do the same strat i go map go as high as i can i go for kirac and map notes + betrayal to unlock craft and i got nice items from it and tons of exp then i use 2nd page of atlas to swap into my desired strategy when i got some currency i just profit craft some items or flip currency or i buy unique cheap like for 4 div wait 2 days and i get 16 div from it because some uniques price go up in time.
In this league i get 7 div in 2nd day of playing so i invest and craft to get about 40 div in the 4th day. I was happy enough with that so then i just played for fun.
The best thing is that i spend much less time on crafting because i used smart trde market and i saved tons of time and some money.
At the end i'll say i crafted with rog or buy cheap my gear so i didnt suffer from investing my money so i played without suffering from no money on gear. I was investing my extra money.
Also very important to mention, never EVER trust someone that says a method is not worth running based on some poe ninja stats.. For many leagues content creators would say that essence isn't worth running because they tank in value, and while that IS TRUE for selling tabs in bulk at a loss like 80% poe ninja price, but that is not true for individual essences which are always extremely expensive in bulk, so its almost always worth running something if you're not selling at a loss, such as bulk selling essences
To be fair im doing what I like and money keeps coming 😂 no strategies or any special ideas, just blight and expeditions. Yesterday I did 4 t13 maps of blight and earned 7divines of it( I was lucky).
Just stop chasing 500 divines per hour, instead if wasting time for preparation and invest for all of that, play and enjoy stuff you do. Pretty neat
ppl just need to understand that for you to be rich, you just need to work SMARTER. Not all streamer strats will work for you, just find one that you will enjoy doing because you will be doing it alot.
Also, every currency on you stash are Divine Orbs, use the currency exchange (AKA AH).
This video hits at the problem with the balance of the game itself. Casual players only putting in a few hours a week will never get enough currency to be able to successfully manage an end game build, especially with streamer strategies. This is probably why most new players never finish the campaign let alone build a character to lvl ~80 who can actually obtain and equip the gear needed to take on high tier maps.
An inexperienced casual might beat Kitava, not realize their resistances got nuked by 30%, get into a couple maps and get absolutely wrecked by what appear to be mobs of vanilla monsters. Or they reach a map boss in t2 maps, get one-shotted and have no concept of what happened. They didn't pick up enough useful currency in the campaign, don't understand crafting or the crazy economy of the game and they quit out of frustration.
The game is geared to only reward the top tier players, and everybody else can just kick rocks.
Love you Big Ducks, thank you for repelling some of the people away from T17 box farming, to reduce the competition xD
Investing in your character is generally my problem I stop to early because I want mageblood and to quit my league start but it takes me like 2 to 3 weeks for the stead of investing more and then selling off my character after.
You need to think the map as slot in casino, ruetoo said this. By doing that you choose the slot, that might be blight slot, ultimatum, ritual, t17 juiced, sanctum etc etc, and you do it fast and effective (build). Also you need to identify which strat is exploit or normal, people follow streamer because its considered as "broken" strat which yield 20x million loot more than any slot
How can I figure out why I'm dying so much? I tried posting the question on reddit, but they took down my post. Anyone have any tips on places I can go to educate myself on what could be killing me so fast?
Good to have you back in the community
Funny that u mentioned fubguns strongbox strategy since it isnt rly effected by lower loot prices as demand surges because they just drop basic currency and div cards. The only thing that dropped in price are uber frags and valdos puzzle box
Usually, at this point of the league, I try to do low cost strategies with close to guaranteed results. Alira Corruption temples are an easy 1 div, and if you are fast, you can farm a few per hour. Same with life force. I used to do Maven Bosses too, but it isn't as great anymore since the prices of conqueror maps tanked.
I farmed a Mjolner Manabond build doing this strat a couple leagues back.
To add to this, there are strategies that make little or no sence in t17s at all. Harbringers and Essenses are two prime examples, they don't scale with map tier so putting them in maps above yellows is actually inefficient, since its harder and slower. and of course there is always off-map content like delve, heist, sanctum and lab, that doesn't have anything to do with t17s at all
Thx im sticking to my fun/hr strat (T1 Alva + betrayal)
I made 400div in t16s+town, however, now I'm doing t17s. 1div per map cost, return avg of 2d+ and that's low for t17 investment. I prefer t16s tbh.
lmao how exactly?
I’m a hit you back up around month or two to add ideas to a list of profitable things to do. Love learning more
@@kingofthefall.1117 running stronboxes in t17s. I dont think i had a single map where i didnt profit more than 1 div
@@kingofthefall.1117Dont tell us you made more in t17...scarabs are expensive, no one believes it.
@@Zylosio I haven’t said anything, I just wanna know the t16+town method
i would say that the amount of factors that could change a scarab price is so much more than just a streamer saying this or that. is it the majority of the price change? perhaps. hard to say really.
Hey Ducks, heads up you have the math flipped around. Juice - Loot = -Net Gain (or Loss) is the inverse of the correct math. Correct math is Loot - Juice = Net Gain (or -Loss). Not really wrong, but could confuse someone if they truly are bad at math.
That's why I abused heist on leaguestart. I started in act 8 and kept playing it very early on a fast character (did wintertide brand ascendant with pathfinder node). Its unpopular + has no entry cost (especially early with low level contracts that are 1 chance orb) + gives raw chaos, which was easily dumped into veiled orbs/other investments. I ignored maps until like day 4, because maps dont drop anything early and Im not a boss rusher.
It was such a smart move honestly...I never tried to do this. I put my brain together for once and now I think I got around 4 mirror shards :D
Everything is possible if you master the build you are playing and think in reverse, what others dont do so you can benefit the most.
I'm a casual player. I understand the game, its mechanics and complexities but I still choose to play it in a lax manner because I do it to chill. That being said, even I have methods to make money. One season I only farmed Altars of Corruption T3 to sell for 1 o 2 Divines and made quite a nice profit while doing maybe 15-20 regular maps (no juicing) a night.
As Ducks here said. The real secret of profit here is just playing a lot and being fast at playing. Almost every currency strategy requires you to zoom-zoom many maps quickly to, most likely, gather fragments or get certain crafts (like in Syndicate).
What is the firestorm build you are running in the background footage? Firestorm is my favorite skill in the game but I can never make it work properly. Thanks in advance!
Another good video, Ducks - this 2nd era of Big Ducks is a good one. I always choose something I find fun over something that gets the most currency. It's a game not a job. Everything I do in POE is crazy inefficient and wasteful but it doesn't bother me. As long as the journey is fun then it doesn't matter how long it takes.
One mistake I made for the longest time that was costing me div/hr is hoarding assets because I will need them later. Later is not now and inflation keeps rolling. Liquidate assets, reinvest, run higher div/hr now so even if the price increases slightly when you buy it back later, you still made it back tenfold already with the increased div/hr now. I had a kalandra's touch drop this league, second biggest single drop I've ever had. I will need it eventually but currently my best ring is about 7divines worth so I can't justify using a 11 divine ring to copy pasta it. I can justify getting 11 divs in my bank so I get to my returning projectiles craft faster which will give me a 40ish % more damage because the nerf on the gem drops, and then another 40ish % on top because I have a slot to fit awakened elemental focus. That's double damage allowing me to run 100% delirium with some ease, that'll do it for your div/hr. So even though I need that ring and will have to buy it back later for who knows maybe 15 divines by that time, I will have made that entire 15 divine back with just the increase in profits in no time. That goes for small stuff too. Fusings, fragments, scarabs, you can all buy it back later when you actually need it. Right here and now you need liquid assets to buy more power so you can run all that cool stuff to begin with.
the best way to make currency is playing 15+ hours a day the first week of a league start and listening to skilled streamers while playing or being in discord with experienced players of your guild.
if i dont have a week off at the league start i just play SSF.
I use the streamer strats to learn about what NOT to waste time and currency on. Its a super super useful tool if used correctly... Saves me alot of time
love seeing the notes in obsidan :)
The problem is every time a content creator shows off a strategy, it gets too expensive to run!
I quit the league yesterday. Every league I come back and get bored chasing currency instead of items. Poe is becoming more of a stock market game every season. I just wanna play games not have currency strategies that I have to pre-plan etc. it’s a game man.
You see the same problem in ffxiv or other large mmos. If a content creator makes a video about how to make money, that method is going to immediately crash within the next few days because the market is going to become over saturated due to the amount of people doing it.
Great video!
Short answer: When a streamer reveals their currency strat it gets overused FAST leading to flooding the market or getting the price of w/e is used skyrocket. If people want to make currency they have to think and experiment, not wait for someone else to tell them.
Other thing is often streamers bait viewers with a strategy that in the end will make the streamer more rich. Kinda like in pyramid scam
The solution is for people to learn the atlas tree generally, then decide on a mechanic they enjoy doing, and then build their tree around that mechanic themselves. No really, that IS the solution. Build guides are one thing, and are useful, because builds are very complex things. But atlas guides are not nearly as needed because when you really sit down and look at the Atlas tree, it is significantly less complicated than the skill tree.
But all in all this is a good video. Goes over a seemingly obvious conundrum that a lot of people overlook. I think the only time a currency farming strategy works well is if it revolves around raw currency drops and not item/loot drops. The whole whisp juicing graveyard strat of affliction league worked very very well because it revolved around raw currency drops.
Did divines lose value? yeah. but then the entire economy adapted and we saw (due to sheer number of players and sheer amount of rarity/quant people could get for free) tier 0 uniques come down to their lowest prices in history. Headhunters were going for 50-80 divines. Mageblood dropped to 125 divines. But yeah for the most part currency guides are self defeating.
"Yoooo what is up guys, Grim here, in today's video I'm gonna showcase you the new atlas strategy that's I've been using to farm my mageblood in 48 hours and that will be ruined after this video since the market will be destroyed"
... so no one else can get his mageblood this way 😂
10:20 I'm shocked! 🤣 Seriously tho, this is 100% true. I wish creators would report gains on a
"per map" basis instead of "per hour." I will never play that fast regardless of the character. It is a skill issue, as they say!
Problem I have with this is that it is is the paradox of needing currency to make currency but theses are not strategies that you can afford right out of the campaign while you have like 3c, except exactly flipping currency which is boring.
I have learned more about economics from D2 and PoE than I did from high school and college economics
Micro- and Macroeconomics explained with a game. You love to see it.
I hate div per hour thing because its super variable depending on rng and build you are doing (maybe a streamer has quant or magic find mods on the gear that you don't, or his build just clears much faster), instead it should be chaos profit per map (accounting the rarity and quant mods on gear), because you are investing maps and time is not a real currency in game, generally most maps clear the same, all you care is the return from the strat. For example if a streamer says I clear this map which I invested a 50c and got 200c profit then that price increase on scarabs by 10-20c will not impact much on overall returns.
not every youtuber that uploads a video on a strategy is gonna make the market super weird, but a perfect example recently is the breach market when snoobae uploaded a video. the snares scarab which is like 10c in bulk at best absolutely skyrocketed to 30c each in bulk. The video had 18k views at the time. it just seems like people dont really know what to do without a youtuber or streamer telling them. theres nothing inherently wrong with that but it perpetuates a lot of the problems i see people complaining about
You can also just take all the scarab nodes and even with scoured red maps you will make currency. Less time in hideout and youtube, more time in the maps.
How do i fix the skill issue where whenever i run a snoobae strat i get 10-20% of the div cards he gets. Same Setup, past leagues even same mf build. Tested over at least 20 strats. For example fully juiced invested cemeteries few leagues back he got 42 brothers gifts in 100 maps, i got 8. This league 960 dappers before the first fire of unknown origins when accordring to his math its 140:1.
I just do what I like to do, which is blight encounters. Add some essence hunting for additional chaos orbs and I’m good 😄
Theres one factor you havent calculated in (or I missed it). Ill use my own experience as an example.
3 leagues ago Ive watched some blight videos. Ive tried the strat and thought it was fun! At the time I didnt make a lot since loads of people tried it but ive learned!
This league, Ive tried to do it again. Since there wasnt a lot of streamers talking about it I was able to buy maps for 5-10 chaos per T16 blighted map and the oils I farmed myself.
I made a good 30 divs fearly quickly because Ive learned about a strat IN THE PAST!
Right now Im doing strongboxes in T16s and I realise my income isnt as high as it could be, but Im learning! Keep the strat vids coming, at some point Ill have a pleathura of strats and I can pick whichever seems best for that time!
so i have time to play, but i only really do the mechanics i like, i bargain shop scarabs and try to figure out my own builds based on other pobs. referencing the other pobs essentially, this league ive made probably 50 to 100 divines and i did it with shitty very unpopular methods. Ive bricked my character twice, and had to rebuild , also wasted tons of c and divs on junk that t i lost my ass on..... just have funa nd push hard to get stuff, it will come :)
What’s a shy unpopular method? Aren’t all methods viable?
@@beasthaven1571 dont know what shy is, but thats kinda my point. Do whatever you want enough it will work out in the end
That is why I do 2 things when I watch those kinda of videos
- Learn how it works and try to implement some of my learning into a diferent stratagy that does not overlap too much
- See what that strategy needs, figure out how to farm that stuff and be the provider for it
Love the video!! The last couple of leagues I've hit the wall. I get to almost touch t17, but not really... I simply can't get past it. I ran 1 easy t17 the other day and was all stoked... just got totally destroyed in one today.
My strat, do challenges, while doing so, get loads of wealth .. Just getting 40 safehouses will build many Catarinas, dropped 4 veiled orbs so far, so 20 div right there.
Yeah I did the same. But I stopped and I will try to capture red beasts, I think Im slow with safehouses. Craicics are also pretty nice to get.
@@GE_Photon_Lord that was just one example, another, 18 divines from boats ..
@@TheGvidzix Divs from boats are insane rn
cheeeesr! THIS RIGHT HERE!! This is the 1st leageu where ive bene trying my hardest to test different methods for what i enjoy, and also for my own speed while i finish my motnh 1 grind up to a headhunter on a silly noob slow bow build cause im too unwilling to invest like an idiot buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut PROFIT/HR AND SUCH HAS BEEN TERRIBLE a for sooooooooooo many videos and community problems for sure!~ its hyper unrealistic for vast majority of peope l AND NO ONE SHARES EVEN A BREIF IDEA OF WHAT BUILD THEY RAN FOR IT! i think a " INVESTMENT PER MAP --> PROFIT PER MAP, xxxxx AVERAGED MAPS" IS IMPORTANT! and should be largly adooppted by the currency strategy hawking community, BUT i love ALL SORTS OF IDEAS! so its what ist is and im just trying to filter nad learn until I have a buidl thats good lol or till i reroll into lightning strike nad REALLY enjoy month 2 idk~ but still div/hr is important if you can note an average map run speed and such but we NEED more of the story for sure!!!!
LIKE WE ALSO NEED LIQUIDATION TIME! eszsences are where i realized this cause while the sales market makes it POSSIBLE for me to try, it still takes time to learn ratios, set prices, get sales etc etc etc etc etc, so unless your strategy is extreemly liquid like harvest juice or w/e, it critical to start giving insights into liquidation time CAUSE NOT ALL OF US TRUST OR WANT OT USE 3RD PARTY BULK LIQUIDATION tool. none the less i think its good they exist, but i just means it a massive investment of time and SEVERLY limkits the number of strats that can be run with notable profit~
like why i enjoy self farming 8 mod maps 10 ways to sunday, but will almost never sell 8mod maps to peopel because its so painstaking, and thatm eans the profit i could make doing what i enjoy is none existent~ or yep cheeeeers
its wild that with a league as crazy and fun as this one, weve had a MASSIVE number omethods and strats and options to do, AND WHILE I DO THINK THAT SOME VERY SPEICFIC VERY OVER HYPED AND POPULAR OPTICALLY STRATS ARE T17 PRICED OUT like compartment boxes, theres soooooooooooooo many things that you can do on t16s that IS for profit that 17s couldnt especially farming t17s, BUT THAT ALSO HYPE FOCUSES WHAT CONTENT SOMEONE CAN RUN WHICH SUCKS IF U DONT ENJOY IT or if your build isnt good at it :(((((((
Great video, I still dont even know what build i wanna use yet
100% in agreement!
Hey it's the happy guy!
Him talking about the orbs were correct, they went from 5c in this video 2 days ago to 14-15c at the time of this comment.
6:45 "little bit better" what you talking about? t17 is way more rewardig
Why so few streamers talk about classic league strategies like essence or harvest and so many is focusing on mf instead?
pretty much any mechanic in the game makes money, you just need to do the basics, roll maps, atlas and scarab for it.. sure it might not be 30 divs/minute but its not hard to make a profit.
Ive done the streamer strategies and Ive had success with less known streamers, the big names I noticed the streamer influence on price and learnt my lesson, now II immediately think what are they buying so Im going to farm to sell to this guys.
In the end I think its valid to try those strategies from videos to at least know them, might come in handy next season or later to adapt some other strategy.
Items skyrocketing used to be called "The Mathil effect" after he made a new build.
He still plays the game tho??
I haven’t even been in a T17 this league. I’ve made dozens of divines in delve. Even though the adorned nerf killed curiosity, Vaal aspect’s value. There is still so much value in the mines. Just selling fossils and resonators straight to the exchange makes me bank
On top of things mentioned, streamers/content creators are incentivised to exaggerate numbers and make what is essentially a "bait" video.
All of this combined, and a "25d/hr" video, that is in reality maybe "8-10d/hr" strategy, becomes "4-5d/hr" strategy in practice.
Maybe for you, but not for others. What people like you don't seem to realize is just how much more inefficient and slower you are than certain streamers. A 20d/hr strat for one person might be only a 6-7d/hr strat for another, because by the time that person finished one map the other already finished 3. Most peoples loot filter just isn't strict enough, they spend too much time between maps and get sidetracked too easy.
@@sgt.pepper5078 I agree with you, but there's genuinely a lot of bait strats/builds on YT and content creators tend to exaggerate the numbers (it's a conflict of interest otherwise). I'd consider myself pretty efficient and have been doing juiced farming for a long time now, but quite often the numbers don't just add up.
@@foreseerx Sure there is a lot of bait, especially builds.
If content creators have to boast about their d/hr in the title or thumbnail I would be cautious.
But still I think most people underestimate just how inefficient they are compared to the top players.
@@sgt.pepper5078 I agree, I think there's a lot of issues here that result in discrepancies; just since the video was focusing more on the content creation side, I was also focusing more on that. If you're taking 10 minutes per map with semi-strict filter, then it's all irrelevant, but it's frustrating to deal with insincere clickbaity content creation in PoE space otherwise, and as you're saying, usually it comes from those who boast about it in title/thumbnail.