Your experience happened to me today at KJAX. I switched frequencies, waited 20 - 30 seconds to feel the room, and as soon as I spoke another pilot keyed up at the same time. I waited for the controller to sort the situation, and called him another 15 - 20 seconds later. I feel we, as pilots, force ourselves to rush communication when we have so much more time than we think that we do.
The short example on the radio was perfect. You even used “4,500 climbing 7,500.” That made me happy. Pilots need to completely remove “to” and “for” from their radio vernacular unless it’s a full one-on-one back and forth conversation with the controller, which happens sometimes. I fly hours and hours a day, most often on GA channels. I hear all kinds of crazy radio calls. I wish like hell I could spend 15 minutes with new students to quickly break bad habits and start instilling good habits right from the start. Completely cut the words “about, approximately, nautical, with you, to, for, etc.” These words are completely useless. And don’t blindly parrot back everything ATC says without understanding what they need for you to acknowledge, and what is completely unnecessary (information only).
Thanks yes I have worked hard to trim the fat from my calls, and it also makes me cringe when I hear all the extra fluff on freq. I think the one that gets me the most and is most common is "... for N12345". I have definitely had terrible moments on the radios too. Always trying to improve.
Hey student pilot here, I’m a chirper that constantly reads back every single piece of information. I have bad habits like saying “heard that”.. it’s weird because there is no excuse, but try to remember how stressful and anxious flying can be. I know what to say, when my finger goes on that button my brain turns off. Sorry about it, we don’t mean to throw you off and I know we do, but just try to be slow and clear and correct us nicely with a reason why. I love being a student, it’s the best thing that’s happened in my life, but sometimes I get corrected rudely and it throws me off. Personal problem but it’s reality with students.
@@BrianSiskind That’s definitely one that’ll get things confusing lol. I often think about how I can make a radio call as concise and as clear as possible. But we all flub up. Every once in a while I’ll say “about”, and it drives me mad 😂
I've had a controller in the past telling me (in a friendly way) I should not remove the "to" from comunications as "climbing 2,000" could be perceived as "climbing to thousand". And that this lead to some accidents in the past.
@ That’s not concurrent with ICAO terminology. If a pilot were only climbing to 1,000 MSL, which would be rare, the proper terminology would be to state your current altitude, then the altitude you’re climbing to: “Greenville Approach, Piper 12345, five-hundred, climbing one-thousand.” If you used “to”, consider how the following leads to confusion: “Greenville Approach, Citation 12345, five-hundred, climbing to six-thousand.” Now it’s unknown whether that pilot means they’re climbing to an altitude of 6,000 MSL, or 26,000 MSL. By eliminating “to” altogether (pun intended), it would correct this possible confusion. The way some pilots use “to” and “for” now, there’s a lot of room for misunderstanding.
that 2 minute clip perfectly demonstrated one of the ways to work with ATC - specific to that situation. VERY NICE JOB! :-) I loved how the controller took control and even chuckled a bit. A very relaxed "Overload!!" response. Maybe you could make one for a pet issue of mine - The pilot that talks WAY to much. Especially on Unicom.
Excellent points on ATC interacions. Thanks.
Your experience happened to me today at KJAX. I switched frequencies, waited 20 - 30 seconds to feel the room, and as soon as I spoke another pilot keyed up at the same time. I waited for the controller to sort the situation, and called him another 15 - 20 seconds later. I feel we, as pilots, force ourselves to rush communication when we have so much more time than we think that we do.
That's a great way to put it! We all do it sometimes, especially when things seem hectic.
The short example on the radio was perfect. You even used “4,500 climbing 7,500.” That made me happy.
Pilots need to completely remove “to” and “for” from their radio vernacular unless it’s a full one-on-one back and forth conversation with the controller, which happens sometimes.
I fly hours and hours a day, most often on GA channels. I hear all kinds of crazy radio calls. I wish like hell I could spend 15 minutes with new students to quickly break bad habits and start instilling good habits right from the start.
Completely cut the words “about, approximately, nautical, with you, to, for, etc.” These words are completely useless. And don’t blindly parrot back everything ATC says without understanding what they need for you to acknowledge, and what is completely unnecessary (information only).
Thanks yes I have worked hard to trim the fat from my calls, and it also makes me cringe when I hear all the extra fluff on freq. I think the one that gets me the most and is most common is "... for N12345". I have definitely had terrible moments on the radios too. Always trying to improve.
Hey student pilot here, I’m a chirper that constantly reads back every single piece of information. I have bad habits like saying “heard that”.. it’s weird because there is no excuse, but try to remember how stressful and anxious flying can be. I know what to say, when my finger goes on that button my brain turns off. Sorry about it, we don’t mean to throw you off and I know we do, but just try to be slow and clear and correct us nicely with a reason why. I love being a student, it’s the best thing that’s happened in my life, but sometimes I get corrected rudely and it throws me off. Personal problem but it’s reality with students.
@@BrianSiskind That’s definitely one that’ll get things confusing lol. I often think about how I can make a radio call as concise and as clear as possible. But we all flub up. Every once in a while I’ll say “about”, and it drives me mad 😂
I've had a controller in the past telling me (in a friendly way) I should not remove the "to" from comunications as "climbing 2,000" could be perceived as "climbing to thousand". And that this lead to some accidents in the past.
@ That’s not concurrent with ICAO terminology. If a pilot were only climbing to 1,000 MSL, which would be rare, the proper terminology would be to state your current altitude, then the altitude you’re climbing to: “Greenville Approach, Piper 12345, five-hundred, climbing one-thousand.”
If you used “to”, consider how the following leads to confusion:
“Greenville Approach, Citation 12345, five-hundred, climbing to six-thousand.”
Now it’s unknown whether that pilot means they’re climbing to an altitude of 6,000 MSL, or 26,000 MSL. By eliminating “to” altogether (pun intended), it would correct this possible confusion. The way some pilots use “to” and “for” now, there’s a lot of room for misunderstanding.
that 2 minute clip perfectly demonstrated one of the ways to work with ATC - specific to that situation. VERY NICE JOB! :-) I loved how the controller took control and even chuckled a bit. A very relaxed "Overload!!" response. Maybe you could make one for a pet issue of mine - The pilot that talks WAY to much. Especially on Unicom.
Thank you very much!
This is the first time I've seen RH's face 😁. Great video
Ive listened to 100+ episodes and that was only the 2nd or 3rd for me😅
Love it.
Greetings from Cape Town.
Art.
That looks like Robert Forster in the film. But how can that be? He looks older. And he looked that old in "Jackie Brown."
What’s with the ridiculous video quality.