It was good. He made his points, and did so memorably, and that's what counts. It is is said that a reporter once asked President Truman how long it took to prepare a ten-minute speech. He replied, "About a day." "How long to prepare a one-hour speech?" "I can start right now." So, well-done for a near-extemporaneous speech.
If you know your material inside and out, it’s easy. Reminds me of the 2 hours Rush did on live tv with nothing written before. Clearly Mike Patey knows his stuff.
I don't know if Mike personally looks over the comments or if he has someone that takes care of that for him, but seriously... it's HARD to be that vulnerable on such a fresh and painful subject. Much respect, sir, and I hope you can find your peace soon.
Thanks, yea this is me, I don’t get to read all the comments often but on this situation reading them is helping me cope. Feeling that maybe I am helping someone, somehow, keeping people safer helps heal my heart. Thanks for the kind words.. Back to Work, Mike
Very passionate and honest talk, extremely moving. I've had my Lancair IV, for 20yrs, only once on a night VFR clear and decent weather Brisbane to Sydney got icing and with that critical wing, it was so fast barely minutes and airspeed decayed. We dropped and it dissapeared, i cannot imagine the danger you guys in USA experience. Stay safe and wait a day or four it those 3 things Mike talks about line up.
Thank you for saying all of this Mike. As a professional pilot for my entire adult life I have lost way too many friends that were superior pilots to me. My dad told me when I was just a kid that "Superior pilots use their superior judgement to avoid having to use their superior skill". Your words and emotions are heard loud and clear.
Your comment brings back an old parable about "...Old Pilots & Bold Pilots but few Old, Bold Pilots. My dad was a bush pilot & hunting guide in Alaska when I was growing up in the 1950s and memories of flying friends lost never go away.
Yeah well, luck runs out, good lasts. Some sayings are pretty stupid. Like "Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger.". Ask a polio survivor or long covid sufferer about that one.@@lanceav8r
I started flying when I was 16... went on to fly USAF fighter and cargo aircraft, followed by 20,000hr+ at a major US airline. I'm now 70 yrs old and can say that Mike's talk above is the BEST I've ever heard. Pure aviation wisdom....
Speaking as a 57 year pilot, a 43 year CFI, 45 year ATP and the recipient of the FAA’s Wright Brothers Master Pilot Award, all I can say is this extemporaneous presentation by Mike Patey is simply the best talk on safety that I have ever heard. PERIOD. If pilots will listen to this and heed Mike’s advice, lives will be saved. Thank you sir. #nooldboldpilots
I’m a sailor. Early in my keelboat days I used to deliberately head out in gale conditions because I had a stout boat and years of sailing experience in dinghy’s. I always checked the forecast, and had all the necessary safety gear. One day I headed out with winds forecast to be 25 to 30 knots with 10 foot seas. “No problem - I’m just gonna head out a mile or two and see how it goes. I can always run back into the harbor if it gets too ugly” At first, winds were light and variable, with big lumpy seas. No problem. So sailed a little further out. Then the wind suddenly shifted 180°, and it began to blow. HARD. Harder than I ever experienced at sea. It was blowing offshore to that meant I’d be blown out to sea of if I was unable to sail up wind back into the harbor. No way my tiny outboard engine was going to get me home that day. So I sailed. I reefed down the mainsail and beat back into the harbor under my working jib. What was forecast has 25 to 30 kn turned into 30 to 45 kn of wind from a completely different direction. The windstorm was so powerful that it sank boats 40 miles away at Catalina island. I was lucky to survive the situation I’d put myself in. I was alone. I pushed myself and my little 20 foot keelboat to their absolute limit, and I learned that forecasts are not perfect. I am an older and much wiser sailor now I know exactly why this pilot has a three strike rule, and is much more conservative now than when he started out. I have a one strike rule now I won’t deliberately head out of the harbor if winds are forecast to be 20 kn or greater. Ask any experienced offshore sailor. They’ll tell you that when it’s over 20 kn. Things start getting serious. Over 30 and you will have your hands full no matter how big or well-equipped your sailboat is. Over 40 kn, and you are in near survival conditions in most boats. If you want to have a long, safe and enjoyable sailing career, you won’t deliberately head out of the harbor when the forecast calls for strong winds. It sounds to me like the same thing applies to general aviation regarding density altitude, performance, icing, mountainous, terrain night, flying and carrying heavy loads. I always seek to maintain a wide margin of safety when I put to sea. I never want to be caught out again in conditions That require 100% from me or my ship. Because at 101% it’s over.
Great story. I love to hear about sailing adventures! Aviation is similar, a light plane you also don't want to be out there in anything over 40kt winds. 30 can be sketchy unless its really smooth, and coming right down the runway heading. So 20kts with any crosswind component is a good rule of thumb for small ~2,000lb airplanes. It's ill-advised to depart into mountain terrain with greater than 20kt winds down low. 30kt winds aloft at the very most. Anything over that, and mountain wave along with rotors and weird wind shear and vertical gusts will make the experience somewhere between miserable and fatal.
Sailed out of Oxnard or ventura? I did a season of lobster fishing out of Santa Barbara Greatest adventure ever, and even though I grew up in so cal, it ignited my love for the sea. And very surprising, considering I suffer from thalassophobia.
I only started flying around a year ago and have always had the mindset of safety first, had plenty of hairy situations on the ground, don't need them in the air. That policy of 3 strikes for ANYTHING nonstandard is going to stick with me for the rest of my life. Thank you Mike, we appreciate you, back to work 👊
"Better to be on the ground wishing to be in the air than to be in the air, wishing to be on the ground"... I don't know who said this but I think it's something to remember... :-)
I was taught a variation of his "3 strikes" rule, which is to pay particular attention when you are feeling compelled to make a flight, or any aspect of that flight, before or during, is unusual for you.
@@RandySeverino That was almost certainly true of just retired pilots in 1990 too. Every generation of pilots thinks the "young whipper-snapper" pilots of the next generation are no good. There is sometimes a little truth in it, as a retired instructor I despair of watching youtube modern pilots with glass-cockpits, no air-charts stuffed down their boot, and no clockwork stop-watch on their knee-board, utterly reliant on the instruments for navigation and no "head on the swivel" lookout, because the same technology that they're navigating with ALSO tells them where other aircraft are - when it's working, if it's fitted to the other aircraft! One wonders how they'll fair if the glass-cockpit goes black, or if a glider or hot air-balloon flies close by. I've got to think half of them won't see the threat...
I'm interested in pursuing my PPL but the strike about night flying has gotten me thinking. Especially after the accident involving Richard McSpadden, I've wondered what would happen if a flight were to suffer an engine failure on takeoff, especially at night. I figure one would have a hard time distinguishing between a clear area to land and a dark populated area, unless they are already familiar with the area. That's also assuming the flight is in clear weather. Maybe choosing an airport with a long runway or with lots of open, flat land nearby would help mitigate that risk.
@@edwardwang78When I was flying singles at night, the received wisdom for the event of an engine failure was: "Aim for the dark bits. Turn your landing light ON. If you don't like what you see, TURN IT OFF AGAIN! Flying over water or at night in a single requires good knowledge and techniques, a little balls, some luck and a very good sense of humour if the fan stops! No-body will ever tell you "it's safe". It's bloody dangerous is what it is, you just have to hope you're not the poor bugger who is unlucky. You make that luck by very careful preparation, not flying an iffy aircraft or one not in the best state of repair, making sure you have all you need for diversions - landable fields for GA aircraft at night can be VERY limited. If you can, avoid forested areas or that with high ground, and learn everything there is to know about fog. Above all, get a very experienced instructor for your night-rating.
I can empathize with your pain @MikePatey. I’ve lost 6 friends in the last 5 years - 5 of them in warbirds, which is my real passion. The pain of constantly losing friends can be unbearable at times. I too have taken a step back. I’ve flown my plane twice in the last year, and haven’t touched a warbirds in almost 12 months. We need to do better. We need to make better decisions. We need better training. We cannot have the mentality that it won’t happen to us. Thank you for sharing your story and perspective. We’re not alone in our grief.
How is it so bad even with people with hundred of hours of experience. I’m just starting hopping to solo in a glider in the next month or so but if thees guys die how do I have a chance? I’m still going to do it but jees!
A cursory review of WWI-Vietnam era Warbirds, when they were nearly new off the assembly line, operated by young fit for duty men, trained by the best instructors in the world, still crashed and killed countless thousands of aviators from all nations, without any exceptions. If you strap into a warbird, accept that you are taking a substantial risk, somewhere in the category of rappelling and wing-suit flying. And there is nothing you can do to eliminate those risks. Only reduce them through perfection in maintenance, substantial training, etc. all of which costs significant money and time. And even if you do everything right, you will still have the accident and fatality rate that is easily researched in historical records. It is unlikely you can beat that record. Only tie for it.
Mike Patey talking about the three strikes only solidifies my decision to give up on flying. I did not have the time to dedicate to my skills and I was flying rentals. I loved it but I love my family more. I just realized that I was more likely to have a bad day in the air at some point. I had achieved a lifelong dream of becoming a pilot. I got to experience it. And for that I am grateful.
Good assessment ! I keep encountering older experienced G.A. pilots with professional careers and beautiful families CRASH & BURN because of some unexpected emergency.
This is the most humbled talk Mike has ever done. I have never seen him so serious. All pilots and passengers need to watch this, it will keep more of us alive. Thank you for this.
It takes a lot of courage to walk up to your friends plane and take the passenger out of the back. You saved two lives that day. Much respect. BTW I love your channel. Watched the Scrappy build and much more. General aviation is in trouble. Training is the problem IMHO. OMG Mike. I am so sorry.
I’m a 7 thousand hour professional pilot and this was one of the best talks I’ve ever heard. I routinely say no in my job and every damn manager up and down frowns every time we say no but at the end of the day it’s the hardest and most important thing I do is saying no.
I will preface my comments with the fact that I am not a pilot. I stumbled onto the aviation side of TH-cam by accident. I watch every video that Juan puts out; he is at the top of my list. I subscribed to Mike's channel as soon as he started his talk. This has been a special hour for me. Thanks to both of you.
Mike is not only a very experienced humble pilot but also an Engineer who proved he can make the impossible possible. He gladly shares what he does. Awesome Guy !😅😅. Enjoy the show.
Man, Mike, as a retired Army Special Ops guy who’s now a fixed wing flight student at SUU this speech was great to watch and listen to. I feel like I’m being overly cautious with my flights but now I know the more cautious the better. Thank you sharing these experiences with us all.
Big fan of Juan Browne. Not just his aviation coverage but living in Northern CA his local coverage of significant events is excellent and actual old school objective journalism.
He can be a bit self-righteous and overdramatic, but he's trying to be famous on youtube, so I can understand acting like that for showmanship. Remember when he announced to his youtube viewers that he wanted the Army to ground all Blackhawks? Lol
@A.J.1656 I never got the impression of him being "self righteous" but sure he needs to make things informative and entertaining to be successful on any platform.
@ChandraSlyFoxPatey sorry about the lost of your best friends Mike and all you guys are awesome and I have watched every video you guys have ever produced even though I don't fly but friends build kit aircraft I watch them for the way Mike holds himself speaking and all of the enginuity and the house project looks great to 👍👍take it easy guys ❤
@@A.J.1656Juan has 50 times your experience with full-on military and commercial aviation so poop in your diaper all you want, you couldn’t even hold his aviators.
I saw Mike's incredible speech at the weekend after blancolirio linked to it (Juan was the other keynote speaker). This may well be one of the greatest speeches ever given on aviation safety. It comes from a place of profound loss but is so clear and logical at setting out the accident chains that lead to GA losses - so many of them down to personal judgment calls. It's a tough watch but a necessary one, and I am sure that it will save at least one, if not tens or hundreds of people, from experiencing the loss Mike is right now. Bravo.
So well said. At 73 I now don't: drive at night, drive in bad weather, drive when tired, drive when the 'flat landers' are crowding snow covered roads. Thank you Mike.
Amen.....I also just installed LED headlights to see better, but also as a little revenge to all those Toyota and Escalade owners who have been blinding me. ;-)
@@ThePudgie123 Me too😂. But on recent trip from NC to FL 2 weeks after they were installed, they made ALL the difference! Still don’t plan on making night driving a thing, tho.
sorry to hear of your personal loss. It's bloody tough, unfathomable, unfair and will never leave you. I lost my best friend flying. He got a very serious head injury skiing. Was 7 days in intensive care. Was eventually released and flew back to NZ. He was stood down for a long time from flying here in NZ. He became impatient. He traveled to Aust and got a medical clearance and renewed his license. He died after making a turn in his glider and flying straight into the ground. One of his symptoms was that he would momentarily mix up right and left. Did it in his car about three weeks beforehand when taking his 18 year old son to catch a flight. So my best friend turned the wrong way, and being near Ridge's face had no chance. I feel your pain. Such a waste and so preventable. Stay safe. Enjoy your flying and think of your friends often. They will be flying with you. You will find that out in the most obscure ways if you open your mind.
Good job Mike. I came up through general aviation into the airlines. Retired now with over 30,000 hours. I no longer have the desire to fly and I watch videos like this, Juan Brown, Dan Grinder and ARFF and wonder why such a big increase in aviation accidents has taken place. Keep up the good work guys.
Its simply statistics and probabilities. There is no way to make the accident rate constant. Therefore it will ebb and flow from periods of less fatalities to peaks with many. They average out. One thing that is certain, people will continue to fly headfirst up a blind canyon, just to see where it ends. They will dive well past Va and pull up to show off to their friends just how to easy it is to lose their wings. They will continue to pull a tighter turn from base whenever they overshoot final. They never learn. All of this was covered in Stick and Rudder. Unfortunately, nobody reads it any more. (200k copies sold i 80 years, ~ 400k pilots at any given time).
@gundogg55 The GA accident rate is at or near a historic low. Google AvWeb's excellent article "Is Accident Reporting Making Us All Crazy" for a deeper dive into the actual numbers.
Truer words have NEVER been spoken... Mike Patey's words are to be respected and taken serious.. The courage to stay on the ground far supersedes the weakness it takes to be forced aloft by your own bad decisions.. Amazing speech.. Thank you Mike..
Probably the most powerful video I've ever seen, you are a true inspiration Mike, everyone in aviation needs to take a leaf out of your book mate, I'm in awe❤
The amount of fatalities where one of the occupants was a flight instructor is beyond alarming. Many of these flight instructors are extremely young. We have a serious problem here and it’s growing.
It seems like the amount of accidents is growing, looking at the amount of vids about "probable cause" and so on. Is the FAA suffering from tunnel vision, with their focus on enforcing remote ID for small UAV craft above 250g, or even below, when flown as part 107 operation, and losing focus on the risks of manned aviation, where people die on a daily basis?
Instructional flights are the most difficult and dangerous. Those instructors have to try to teach in a highly dynamic and relatively chaotic environment where sometimes the students are inadvertently trying to kill them or put their certificates at risk. It is juggling quite a lot with crap pay and typically crap schedules, working for many more hours than the Hobbs meter shows. It is exactly where I’d expect to see most accidents, GA or instructional flights.
It's been getting steadily worse since 1970. My instructors were flying in 1936 and 48. Took my first lesson at 10 yrs old. I learned the old ways and AQP. In 55 years CP I've flown with several incompetent unsafe pilots with 5-10,000 hours. Scary. I sold a single engine Cessna to a CP and he stall/spun it on takeoff, fatally. How the hell does that happen? 🔔😎
@@rc-fannl7364 The GA accident rate is at or near a historic low. The amount of reporting makes it "seem" otherwise, but the data shows we are improving. Google AvWeb's excellent article "Is Accident Reporting Making Us All Crazy" for a deeper dive into the actual numbers.
Ya know Mike, I totally get stepping back a little bit and flying more conservatively after all that’s happened. For my part I come to your channel to see all that you put into your projects. I work in decorating and finishing homes, seeing all you’ve been doing with your pool project is just as fascinating to me. Keep it up!
Hi Mike, I’m a low time pilot. Got my license in the old school days you talk about 2003. Seen a flight instructor die and other close to home accidents. Struggles with this have kept me from flying as much as I wanted to. I still have the passion. I let those bad experiences stop me. You are right. It’s on us to make the right decisions.
6:34 to see you fighting the emotions here Mike was heart wrenching. It is on us as pilots / students to maintain our knowledge just as much as it is to maintain our flying quals
Good on you Mike, this was a great talk. It's hard losing colleagues, so I know exactly how you feel. I am a (now retired) paramedic of 30 years. We were losing them to suicide at record rates, and I have personally lost 6 friends/colleagues. Bless you for this talk, for speaking out and speaking truth. My deepest condolences for your losses.
Thank you. What saddens me the most is that they suffered in silence and didn't talk to anyone. I and many ofhters would have GLADLy listened to them, and try to help.@@getstuk87
When my oldest brother was killed in a car accident in 1986, the state police officer said; "There are no accidents, there are only incidents which have chain of event causes". In my brother's case, it was a young man driving with his girlfriend on a wide open country road who missed a single stop sign at a country road crossing.
I work on gravel roads out east in colorado. The number of people who run stop signs out here is unbelievable. And many if not all of these 4-way intersections are only only two way stops, so you gotta play it like demolition derby. People are profoundly stupid. The exception is rare.
@@Triple_J.1You learn from driving motorcycles, and living through it, that you have to watch all traffic for all possibilities. Then pilot your vehicle through the safest corridor. Never hotrod it.
@@Triple_J.1 I wouldn't always dismiss those as stupidity. I ran through a stop sign while I was working as a 3rd shift security guard. No one else was there at the intersection thank goodness, but I learned that I needed more time to adjust to my new sleeping schedule.
So sorry to hear of his friends loss, Mike seemed visibly upset but still managed to get through that discussion in a professional manner, if his advice is taken seriously I am sure he’s going to save people’s lives, love your posts Mike keep up the good work!
I'm not an aviator but I used to ride motorcycles and absolutely agree with Mike, safety beats luck almost every time. Put another way, the more often you do things that could go sideways, the more likely you are to get hurt and the more likely you are to get hurt the more likely you are to have something happen that you do not walk away from. I knew better and more experienced folks who rode with me who aren't here anymore and it is always better to stay home if you have any serious doubts than to try your luck and find out your luck didn't hold. Your family and friends will be better for you being careful because they want you to come home as much as you want to be with them. It is one of the reasons I enjoy watching Mike's builds so much, because he plans and builds to increase safety and it makes the difference between never having a problem, or maybe having an exciting story and about a friend calling and saying, "hey, I had some bad news today, did you hear about..."
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Patey has a point, probably every pilot at some point, especially the younger males, have taken risks that weren't worth it. Confidence doesn't always equal competence.
I'm not a pilot, yet this speech had me so invested in the discussion I hardly realized that an hour had passed. Great work, and this is invaluable knowledge if I ever persue my aviation interests.
I will be having my PPL checkride in 3 days. You, along other safety focused pilots in YT have given me so much insight and invaluable advise I would otherwise never gotten, I can't thank you enough for that. You're helping me become an extra safe pilot looking out for things you learn with experience. In Costa Rica flying is a challenge, the terrain is unforgiving, the weather can change on you in a blink of an eye, the temps are rarely ever just fresh...there's so much you have to look out for. DA is a challenge here as well, between the elevation, high temps and humidity... I'm taking your advise with me, and hope to never become complacent. Much love. Pura vida.
Lost my dad to DA issues in Reno airport back in 91. I was 4, sis was 6. It was a hard childhood and makes me eager to be a father one day to cherish the moments my dad and I wish we had. Fly safe guys, your kids are broken without you.
I do not frequently get overwhelmed by people on TH-cam but @Mike Patey is an absolutely wonderful human being. He is so smart but even more than smart he is caring and passionate and humble! I applaud him and would love to be blessed enough to get to know someone as amazing as he is!!
Thank you Mike for this speech. As a professional aviator, this is a great moment for me to take a step back look inward and continue to hone my craft, and operate well within the margin of safety for the days you don't realize you needed that margin. Great stories so sorry for the loss of your friends.
Thanks for the upload Mike. I just want to give a shout-out to my Dad. More than 40,000 hours logged. He died of old age at home but that was thanks to his experience, his calm (not unlike a Test Pilot's) and God's nickname; Luck. He also was clever. Most of his hours were short to medium hops so he had far more landings and takeoffs than the WW2 Pilots who became commercial pilots later. He didn't get to have a 3 Strikes rule and so for instance; (in the early 1960's I think) got sent up on a hop through a hurricane which took the paint off the airplane. He also met and flew most of Joe Kennedy's children, including Jack and Jackie (but not at the same time). He flew rotary and fixed, single and twin (and none at all) and even rebuilt several aircraft, floats and even an aircraft from Plans. To top it off, he jumped from perfectly good ones. I was his youngest of a "small Catholic Family" so he found time for that as well. My story with him was a bit like a Cobbler's son with no shoes, I did learn to fly from him and am grateful for the knowledge he shared. That's where I will share the only part here that might be helpful to others (usually my comments are not personal) : Crosswinds. I've made the comment elsewhere before but to preface it this time: My father talked about "heavy winds being a go/no-go for lessons" yet as I stood in the kitchen and more than once, looked at a row of 60 foot pines getting their tops blown around, that was a "go" day. Well, all but one of them weren't bad in the Cessna he converted to Conventional Gear. Anyway, one day after lots of dual like that and having already soloed, he sent me again, alone to the airport to fly. I was shooting landings with a front, quartering wind, approximately 30 mph gusts (hard to remember now and I'm trying to avoid a fish story). The owner of a 186 was in the sky as well. He couldn't put it down (except twice) and had lots of excuses. Mostly "me", of course but all except one of my many touch and go's, we had no actual conflict in the pattern, not even close. The one that was felt forced by him, perhaps to bolster his reason(s) for not putting it down. I pondered it all for awhile and felt that wind is regional, not local and my father had done me a great favor.
Oh and I forgot to mention that I landed full-stop, got back to the tie downs and watched this guy miss some more. Apparently a ghost aircraft was on the runway this time. He really did blame "an aircraft" when he was on another pass. The reason I came back to add that was to make it clear; he had the pattern and the runways to himself for a while.
Super thankful for what you do in the industry. Super thankful you're making time for your kids and being a solid dad in amongst all the hobbies. Keep being real.
My dad had 17,000+ hours, ATP and CFI ratings, wanted to teach me to fly. I knew with my personality and thrill-seeking penchant, it would end up bad. I never got rated and also stay off road motorcycles. I made it to 61 years old so far, because I understood my flaw.
If we make it past childhood . . . we're just plain lucky. I could tell you stories and I was a relatively careful kid. I'm 84 now but I don't jump over fences, I look around my car before I back out of a parking space, etc. Oh, and I don't do midnight sky diving (I never did).🤫
I know someone who has this pov on risky activities and I find it weird. So you're too hardcore to even partake? That's not true. Sounds like you're just scared. You're obviously interested in flying and motorcycles so you should get involved in these things as safely as you can. You're already 61. Do you want to have lived your whole life avoiding your interests because you were scared? I don't mean to put this harshly, just please enjoy life.
@@rcvg69420how many close calls do you have to have before you know it's a matter of time? Calling someone scared is immature, maybe they have other things in their lives that are more important than themselves, like a family that loves them, and doesn't want to risk their lives because of them, you know how mountain climbing is, it seems to be a very selfish hobby, just to climb something and risk your life and if you die, your children, and partner in life are left broken forever. Sometimes you need to weigh your risks and mitigate it, and although I think flying is as safe as you make it, but it's mother nature, or pilot error, malfunctioning crafts, it's too many variables for some to deal with comfortably, not everyone can be professional commercial pilots that accumulate thousands of hours, and that you pay for their expertise in keeping you alive
Hey Mike I’ve been following you for years now. I’m just getting back into aviation after a 9 yr break. I think everyone needed to hear all of this after a tough year in aviation, so thank you for putting that together. When you try to push a flight that shouldn’t be pushed and the strikes start adding up, that’s when you see “the holes in the cheese start to line up” as my friend would say.
I worked on a weapon system that used cylinders with holes that would line up one by one until there was a clear shot to arm. “the holes in the cheese start to line up” was what we used to stay.
I am not in aviation as a pilot BUT I sit in the back as a paramedic. My 17 year old daughter is interested in aviation. We have been up with a friend who is building hours. This was a geat help in what I will look for if she decides to do it. Thanks again all. Safe travels
I’m an EMT that gave it up and dove into flight school this year. Case review after case review has painted a completely different picture of EMS both FW/Rotor. We used to joke about there being too many stars in the sky for the crew to fly. I won’t be doing that anymore. Total respect for turned down flights.
Thank you Mike, praying for peace for you and for the families of those lost. My son is getting ready to graduate high school and he’s going to an aviation school to become a commercial pilot. We love your videos but we also appreciate everything you do for aviation.
The best advice my dad, a pilot for 65 years, gave me was, "Never take anything for granted". Not your aircraft, not your flying abilities, not the weather, not the wind, not other planes in the air with you. He also said, "Never ever be in a hurry or you have to get there no matter the conditions".
@@dpythonone3004 My dad started flying when he was 17 years old and flew biplanes at the Roseville Airport/ Hartung Gratiot Airport in Michigan. He earned his AP license at 21 and flew his restored Piper Cub until he was 82 years old.
Sub 100 hour recreational pilot here from Australia. I've learned so much from watching Mike and Juan, and I believe I'm a far safer pilot for it. You are both the type of pilot that I aspire to be. Thank you gentlemen.
I flew cargo configurated MD-11'S into Australia around a dozen times from Hawaii. I even skydived 10 to 12 times with my oun gear in Australia...fun times. I also flew 10 years out of Nome Alaska. Retired in Florida and in my late 60's. I survived!
Mike I have the greatest respect and admiration for you and your brother. You have done so much for the world of aviation And a big thank you for the speech you just gave on safety a lot of pilots needed to hear what you had to say. My heart goes out to you for the friends you have lost love you guys
I don’t fly…always wanted to and love flight! This hanger talk has been extremely interesting, informative and above all else this video should be watched by all pilots/aviators!! Thank you guys…all of you!! 💪🏻👍🏻😊
Thank you, Mike. Well done! In 13 months, I have lost 5 family members and 4 close friends. It really does bring into focus our priorities, and the ways in which we approach things such as the meticulous discipline of aviation, and nuances of the locations through which we fly. May you carry the souls of your friends with you every time you fly. CAVU skies and tailwinds, good soul 🙏🏼🕊️
Mike, thank you so much for your words of wisdom and prospective on this safety discussion. It's crazy how the timing of the release of this video worked out today. I found out that a friend and close mentor to me unfortunately lost his life in an aviation accident. It has just been heavy on my mind and heart trying to process it and how it happened. You remind me so much of him and Sitting down and watching this gave me some great food for thought about it. He welcomed me into our local EAA community as a teenager and foster what has become a life long passion and career as a military / general aviation pilot. There's a lot I want to say about it but I hope you get to see this heartfelt thank you for your humility and passion for us as fellow pilots. My condolences and prayers for your losses. Like my friends words always have, your words will stick with me as I move forward and grow and get back to work. Cheers Mike.
Thank you Mike for the Reminder it will probably save some lives that you may never hear the story on them, Blessings Brother for you and your family and All of us out here coming and going on our paths.
Thank you for this Mike, hugely important reminder for us pilots. Those tough losses are incredible wake up calls for those of us still blessed to take to the skies. Rest in peace to those lost, blue skies. Be Safe everyone!
So sorry for your experiences, and many of us have had similar experiences -- although not so close together. Also, speaking this clearly and boldly is called leadership.
Mike and Juan great content, thank you. Also the caution encouraged by the three strike idea. My little tale on the icing situation is, even if your aircraft is fitted with de-icing equipment, be prepared for the unexpected. Pneumatic boots can fail in a nasty way. Had a stuck pneumatic valve that caused the boots not to cycle. They inflated and failed to deflate. Ice build up was immediate and much worse on the inflated boots. Loss of airspeed, increasing AoA to try to maintain altitude in spite of full power being set. Luckily the terrain allowed an emergency descent to below the freezing level so I'm still here 🙏
Mike, you've done so many great videos, showing us the engineering that goes into designing and building great planes, but you've never done a more important video. This, and the one Josh Flowers (Aviation 101) did recently, are a great wake-up call for everyone to get their minds right and make better choices. Thank you for your contribution to the community.
what a rare friend you are.. I was taught the 3 strike rule 30 years ago by a CFI out of Scottsdale... His giving me that rule stopped a number of flights but ya know what? am still here banging on a keyboard.... Pretty good chance I would not be if I did not heed his advice like your friend did... Bob Davies was a character and heck of a pilot...
I've been following you for the house build but this speech captivated me. It's great to see someone as invested in something like this as you are. Inspirational and I gained even more respect for what you do, thanks for sharing. Now i need to go check out your other videos...
Geez Mike, I've heard about a million inspirational and motivational speeches but yours tops them all! Thank you so very much for sharing. I'm so incredibly sorry for your losses but the information you've shared is going to save lives and continue to do so endlessly. Much aloha my brother! 🤙
Thank you for everything you do Mike and sharing your stories. Aviation isn't always fun and games, It needs to be respected, I hope these stories instill more awareness in pilots.
Older pilots get smarter. Thank goodness you listen to yourself and telling others that respect you. Your plans at Spanish Fork AP sound fantastic. I've flown PIper Cubs, Cherokee 6, Cessna 172 w/STOL, Cessna150 aerobat over Utah Lake, Beachcraft Bonanza V trail that's somewhere in Utah Lake. It was never found when it went down during the winter out of Provo AP and a paraplane that we flew out of Nephi airstrip.
I once read flying is no different to riding a motorcycle You have two buckets Luck / experience Your goal is to fill the experience bucket before the luck bucket is empty.
@MikePatey you have no idea how much you inspire me, and how much you have impacted my life . Thank you for all that you do for aviation and humanity in general. Thank YOU!
Thanks for posting this. I think about becoming a pilot at times but this is important to hear. I work as an A&P at one of those big airlines and take for granted those giant bleed air deicing systems you were talking about. Thanks for shining some light on this topic. Sorry for your loss.
To me the best hands down talks for a topic like safety... Real examples from those who have been there. This was really informative, and I loved every minute of it.
Mike, I'm not a pilot, just enjoy anything with an engine - but you're one inspiring guy. Your stories and anecdotes really touched me. Thanks for sharing.
Having been flying since 1994 now and now a full time hems pilot, the 3 strike rule is one I want to use from now on. What an awesome idea. Ive even sent this video link to my CRMI as it was so easy to watch and loads of good for thought. Thank you Mike for your experience. 👍
This is such a powerful presentation. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on a difficult but terribly important subject. Hope to see you and Juan collaborate again in the future.
There's a reason in so many industries and work places we have near miss reporting and have to show learning from it - and our HSE here asks to see those records early in investigations into fatal accidents. If you don't track them and learn from them, you don't stop doing the things that one day are going to kill you or someone else. Thanks for this talk Mike - if I am ever lucky enough to be able to fly (not so likely any more with my T2 diabetes but you never know) and I need to fly high plateau's I'll ask for some time with an experienced high plateau pilot first! The CFI question is a very pertinent one having seen other vids this week covering a recent incident where the CFI was a major contributing factor to a double fatality training flight.
Mike , i like that you ALWAYS smiling and laughing . The amount of positivity that you have is rare and precious.. you are a candle in a universe of darkness. Best wishes from Saudi Arabia
Thank you for always being humble and transparent. You are a true leader in aviation and we appreciate you openly sharing the reminders on limitations, boundaries, 1-2-3 strikes and good decision making. Thankful you and Mark are still here and thankful to you and your your families. Hugs from AK!
What an EXCELLENT message from an EXCELLENT person! My own aviation life was nothing like Mike Patey's - but all the same, I had "moments" and saw good pilots lost because of things beyond their control. A Courier aircraft was lost at light over rough country on account of terrible maintenance - Carbon Monoxide got him. A Convair 580 carrying over-night freight suffered severe icing in a storm and crashed in the ocean - no survivors. When I look back at the flight training I received, I am amazed that I did not bend a plane or die in a crash myself. The safety and competence matters that were totally skipped in training give me a chill even today.
What a great video! Thank you, everyone, especially Mike. I saw the 1:20 minute timestamp and thought to myself, geez, do I have time for this? Well, it’s an hour and 21 minutes later, riveting!
What a moving speech! Such an icon to the aviation community. Personally I have had the same three strike rule. It has been silly at times to think about but I have never regretted staying on the ground and being safe.
My admiration for Mike (and Mark) continues to grow. His passion for aviation, compassion for others, dedication to excellence, solid work ethic, engineering expertise, and authenticity are seldom all found in one individual. We need more people like the Pateys!
24:00 having watched many ifr into imc videos, patey really captures the emotional rollercoaster for all involved. Human factors is as crucial today as ever.
You're a legend Mike. That was such a great talk considering it was unscripted. I can't even afford to fly yet but I am obsessed with your channel and so grateful for your knowledge. One day I'll get the chance to put it into practice. Thanks Mike. And sorry for your losses brother ❤
…aaand, he can give a captivating speech, on stage, with NO notes, for 45+min. This man continues to be unbelievable.
he reveresed enginereed how to do a captivating speech, kept me at the edge of my seat
Besides the part where he said Utah and Colorado on are other sides of the country.
@@replynotificationsdisabled I took that in context of his contrast of the area with the flatlands to the east.
It was good. He made his points, and did so memorably, and that's what counts.
It is is said that a reporter once asked President Truman how long it took to prepare a ten-minute speech. He replied, "About a day."
"How long to prepare a one-hour speech?"
"I can start right now."
So, well-done for a near-extemporaneous speech.
If you know your material inside and out, it’s easy. Reminds me of the 2 hours Rush did on live tv with nothing written before. Clearly Mike Patey knows his stuff.
I don't know if Mike personally looks over the comments or if he has someone that takes care of that for him, but seriously... it's HARD to be that vulnerable on such a fresh and painful subject. Much respect, sir, and I hope you can find your peace soon.
Thanks, yea this is me, I don’t get to read all the comments often but on this situation reading them is helping me cope. Feeling that maybe I am helping someone, somehow, keeping people safer helps heal my heart. Thanks for the kind words.. Back to Work,
Mike
I've lost some friends lately, not aviation related, but it's never easy. 🙏🙏😎
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Very passionate and honest talk, extremely moving. I've had my Lancair IV, for 20yrs, only once on a night VFR clear and decent weather Brisbane to Sydney got icing and with that critical wing, it was so fast barely minutes and airspeed decayed. We dropped and it dissapeared, i cannot imagine the danger you guys in USA experience. Stay safe and wait a day or four it those 3 things Mike talks about line up.
@@MikePatey Thank you so much for telling these stories to help keep us safe.
Thank you for saying all of this Mike. As a professional pilot for my entire adult life I have lost way too many friends that were superior pilots to me. My dad told me when I was just a kid that "Superior pilots use their superior judgement to avoid having to use their superior skill". Your words and emotions are heard loud and clear.
Your comment brings back an old parable about "...Old Pilots & Bold Pilots but few Old, Bold Pilots. My dad was a bush pilot & hunting guide in Alaska when I was growing up in the 1950s and memories of flying friends lost never go away.
We had a similar one on the floaters: "Superb shiphandling means avoiding situations where your superb skills become required."
I dunno my friend, if you're still around and they are gone, I have some questions about who was the superior pilot.
@@scheusselmensch5713 Another saying is “I would rather be lucky than good”
Yeah well, luck runs out, good lasts. Some sayings are pretty stupid. Like "Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger.". Ask a polio survivor or long covid sufferer about that one.@@lanceav8r
I started flying when I was 16... went on to fly USAF fighter and cargo aircraft, followed by 20,000hr+ at a major US airline. I'm now 70 yrs old and can say that Mike's talk above is the BEST I've ever heard. Pure aviation wisdom....
thank you for your service
Its sad that this is character mike is the best there is to offer.
Highest respects. Extremely grateful to you.
Thank you very much for your service and sacrifice. 😊
Speaking as a 57 year pilot, a 43 year CFI, 45 year ATP and the recipient of the FAA’s Wright Brothers Master Pilot Award, all I can say is this extemporaneous presentation by Mike Patey is simply the best talk on safety that I have ever heard. PERIOD. If pilots will listen to this and heed Mike’s advice, lives will be saved. Thank you sir. #nooldboldpilots
I’m a sailor. Early in my keelboat days I used to deliberately head out in gale conditions because I had a stout boat and years of sailing experience in dinghy’s. I always checked the forecast, and had all the necessary safety gear.
One day I headed out with winds forecast to be 25 to 30 knots with 10 foot seas.
“No problem - I’m just gonna head out a mile or two and see how it goes. I can always run back into the harbor if it gets too ugly”
At first, winds were light and variable, with big lumpy seas. No problem. So sailed a little further out. Then the wind suddenly shifted 180°, and it began to blow. HARD. Harder than I ever experienced at sea. It was blowing offshore to that meant I’d be blown out to sea of if I was unable to sail up wind back into the harbor. No way my tiny outboard engine was going to get me home that day. So I sailed. I reefed down the mainsail and beat back into the harbor under my working jib. What was forecast has 25 to 30 kn turned into 30 to 45 kn of wind from a completely different direction. The windstorm was so powerful that it sank boats 40 miles away at Catalina island.
I was lucky to survive the situation I’d put myself in. I was alone. I pushed myself and my little 20 foot keelboat to their absolute limit, and I learned that forecasts are not perfect. I am an older and much wiser sailor now I know exactly why this pilot has a three strike rule, and is much more conservative now than when he started out. I have a one strike rule now I won’t deliberately head out of the harbor if winds are forecast to be 20 kn or greater. Ask any experienced offshore sailor. They’ll tell you that when it’s over 20 kn. Things start getting serious. Over 30 and you will have your hands full no matter how big or well-equipped your sailboat is. Over 40 kn, and you are in near survival conditions in most boats. If you want to have a long, safe and enjoyable sailing career, you won’t deliberately head out of the harbor when the forecast calls for strong winds.
It sounds to me like the same thing applies to general aviation regarding density altitude, performance, icing, mountainous, terrain night, flying and carrying heavy loads. I always seek to maintain a wide margin of safety when I put to sea. I never want to be caught out again in conditions That require 100% from me or my ship.
Because at 101% it’s over.
Great story. I love to hear about sailing adventures!
Aviation is similar, a light plane you also don't want to be out there in anything over 40kt winds. 30 can be sketchy unless its really smooth, and coming right down the runway heading. So 20kts with any crosswind component is a good rule of thumb for small ~2,000lb airplanes.
It's ill-advised to depart into mountain terrain with greater than 20kt winds down low. 30kt winds aloft at the very most. Anything over that, and mountain wave along with rotors and weird wind shear and vertical gusts will make the experience somewhere between miserable and fatal.
Sailed out of Oxnard or ventura?
I did a season of lobster fishing out of Santa Barbara
Greatest adventure ever, and even though I grew up in so cal, it ignited my love for the sea.
And very surprising, considering I suffer from thalassophobia.
Brilliant bit of writing- safe sailing friend. :)
I only started flying around a year ago and have always had the mindset of safety first, had plenty of hairy situations on the ground, don't need them in the air. That policy of 3 strikes for ANYTHING nonstandard is going to stick with me for the rest of my life. Thank you Mike, we appreciate you, back to work 👊
"Better to be on the ground wishing to be in the air than to be in the air, wishing to be on the ground"...
I don't know who said this but I think it's something to remember... :-)
I was taught a variation of his "3 strikes" rule, which is to pay particular attention when you are feeling compelled to make a flight, or any aspect of that flight, before or during, is unusual for you.
@@RandySeverino That was almost certainly true of just retired pilots in 1990 too. Every generation of pilots thinks the "young whipper-snapper" pilots of the next generation are no good. There is sometimes a little truth in it, as a retired instructor I despair of watching youtube modern pilots with glass-cockpits, no air-charts stuffed down their boot, and no clockwork stop-watch on their knee-board, utterly reliant on the instruments for navigation and no "head on the swivel" lookout, because the same technology that they're navigating with ALSO tells them where other aircraft are - when it's working, if it's fitted to the other aircraft! One wonders how they'll fair if the glass-cockpit goes black, or if a glider or hot air-balloon flies close by. I've got to think half of them won't see the threat...
I'm interested in pursuing my PPL but the strike about night flying has gotten me thinking. Especially after the accident involving Richard McSpadden, I've wondered what would happen if a flight were to suffer an engine failure on takeoff, especially at night. I figure one would have a hard time distinguishing between a clear area to land and a dark populated area, unless they are already familiar with the area. That's also assuming the flight is in clear weather. Maybe choosing an airport with a long runway or with lots of open, flat land nearby would help mitigate that risk.
@@edwardwang78When I was flying singles at night, the received wisdom for the event of an engine failure was:
"Aim for the dark bits. Turn your landing light ON. If you don't like what you see, TURN IT OFF AGAIN!
Flying over water or at night in a single requires good knowledge and techniques, a little balls, some luck and a very good sense of humour if the fan stops! No-body will ever tell you "it's safe". It's bloody dangerous is what it is, you just have to hope you're not the poor bugger who is unlucky.
You make that luck by very careful preparation, not flying an iffy aircraft or one not in the best state of repair, making sure you have all you need for diversions - landable fields for GA aircraft at night can be VERY limited. If you can, avoid forested areas or that with high ground, and learn everything there is to know about fog. Above all, get a very experienced instructor for your night-rating.
I can empathize with your pain @MikePatey. I’ve lost 6 friends in the last 5 years - 5 of them in warbirds, which is my real passion. The pain of constantly losing friends can be unbearable at times. I too have taken a step back. I’ve flown my plane twice in the last year, and haven’t touched a warbirds in almost 12 months.
We need to do better. We need to make better decisions. We need better training. We cannot have the mentality that it won’t happen to us.
Thank you for sharing your story and perspective. We’re not alone in our grief.
How is it so bad even with people with hundred of hours of experience. I’m just starting hopping to solo in a glider in the next month or so but if thees guys die how do I have a chance? I’m still going to do it but jees!
@@excellenceinanimation960 it’s easy to get complacent as you become more experienced. Always stay vigilant!
A cursory review of WWI-Vietnam era Warbirds, when they were nearly new off the assembly line, operated by young fit for duty men, trained by the best instructors in the world, still crashed and killed countless thousands of aviators from all nations, without any exceptions.
If you strap into a warbird, accept that you are taking a substantial risk, somewhere in the category of rappelling and wing-suit flying. And there is nothing you can do to eliminate those risks. Only reduce them through perfection in maintenance, substantial training, etc. all of which costs significant money and time. And even if you do everything right, you will still have the accident and fatality rate that is easily researched in historical records. It is unlikely you can beat that record. Only tie for it.
Mike Patey talking about the three strikes only solidifies my decision to give up on flying. I did not have the time to dedicate to my skills and I was flying rentals. I loved it but I love my family more. I just realized that I was more likely to have a bad day in the air at some point. I had achieved a lifelong dream of becoming a pilot. I got to experience it. And for that I am grateful.
Good assessment ! I keep encountering older experienced G.A. pilots with professional careers and beautiful families CRASH & BURN because of some unexpected emergency.
Found this video after days of shopping for my first airplane and study about the different planes ✈️. I think I’m OVER my airplane dreams!
This is the most humbled talk Mike has ever done. I have never seen him so serious. All pilots and passengers need to watch this, it will keep more of us alive. Thank you for this.
Great speech! I'm mind-blown at the guys loading the boxes back into your brother's plane and hiding them. Unreal.
Friends to die for.
I wish there were more details. That guy must feel awful. And they must have been angry.
It takes a lot of courage to walk up to your friends plane and take the passenger out of the back. You saved two lives that day. Much respect. BTW I love your channel. Watched the Scrappy build and much more.
General aviation is in trouble. Training is the problem IMHO.
OMG Mike. I am so sorry.
I’m a 7 thousand hour professional pilot and this was one of the best talks I’ve ever heard. I routinely say no in my job and every damn manager up and down frowns every time we say no but at the end of the day it’s the hardest and most important thing I do is saying no.
I will preface my comments with the fact that I am not a pilot. I stumbled onto the aviation side of TH-cam by accident. I watch every video that Juan puts out; he is at the top of my list. I subscribed to Mike's channel as soon as he started his talk. This has been a special hour for me. Thanks to both of you.
Mike is not only a very experienced humble pilot but also an Engineer who proved he can make the impossible possible.
He gladly shares what he does.
Awesome Guy !😅😅.
Enjoy the show.
Mike Patey is a remarkable human being.
yes he is!!
AMEN @@shcaskey
That's just cuz you're remarking on him.
I was immensely moved by his talk. Wow. what an amazing individual and what would it be like to have a Friend like him in your life.....
Yes he is a extraordinary person
Man, Mike, as a retired Army Special Ops guy who’s now a fixed wing flight student at SUU this speech was great to watch and listen to. I feel like I’m being overly cautious with my flights but now I know the more cautious the better. Thank you sharing these experiences with us all.
Big fan of Juan Browne. Not just his aviation coverage but living in Northern CA his local coverage of significant events is excellent and actual old school objective journalism.
He’s a great person and does a really nice job breaking things down.
He can be a bit self-righteous and overdramatic, but he's trying to be famous on youtube, so I can understand acting like that for showmanship.
Remember when he announced to his youtube viewers that he wanted the Army to ground all Blackhawks? Lol
@A.J.1656 I never got the impression of him being "self righteous" but sure he needs to make things informative and entertaining to be successful on any platform.
@ChandraSlyFoxPatey sorry about the lost of your best friends Mike and all you guys are awesome and I have watched every video you guys have ever produced even though I don't fly but friends build kit aircraft I watch them for the way Mike holds himself speaking and all of the enginuity and the house project looks great to 👍👍take it easy guys ❤
@@A.J.1656Juan has 50 times your experience with full-on military and commercial aviation so poop in your diaper all you want, you couldn’t even hold his aviators.
I saw Mike's incredible speech at the weekend after blancolirio linked to it (Juan was the other keynote speaker). This may well be one of the greatest speeches ever given on aviation safety. It comes from a place of profound loss but is so clear and logical at setting out the accident chains that lead to GA losses - so many of them down to personal judgment calls. It's a tough watch but a necessary one, and I am sure that it will save at least one, if not tens or hundreds of people, from experiencing the loss Mike is right now. Bravo.
Mike, you hit a HOME RUN!
I wish EVERY pilot would watch this video!
So well said. At 73 I now don't: drive at night, drive in bad weather, drive when tired, drive when the 'flat landers' are crowding snow covered roads. Thank you Mike.
Amen.....I also just installed LED headlights to see better, but also as a little revenge to all those Toyota and Escalade owners who have been blinding me. ;-)
@@ThePudgie123 Me too😂. But on recent trip from NC to FL 2 weeks after they were installed, they made ALL the difference! Still don’t plan on making night driving a thing, tho.
sorry to hear of your personal loss. It's bloody tough, unfathomable, unfair and will never leave you. I lost my best friend flying. He got a very serious head injury skiing. Was 7 days in intensive care. Was eventually released and flew back to NZ. He was stood down for a long time from flying here in NZ. He became impatient. He traveled to Aust and got a medical clearance and renewed his license. He died after making a turn in his glider and flying straight into the ground. One of his symptoms was that he would momentarily mix up right and left. Did it in his car about three weeks beforehand when taking his 18 year old son to catch a flight. So my best friend turned the wrong way, and being near Ridge's face had no chance. I feel your pain. Such a waste and so preventable. Stay safe. Enjoy your flying and think of your friends often. They will be flying with you. You will find that out in the most obscure ways if you open your mind.
Don't mess with your head!
It's time for this honesty. Emotive and impassioned.
Listen before you are the one tears are being shed for.
Mike, grief is hard. Take time. Really, take time.
Really enjoyed this talk on safety. I 100% agree. The longer you fly, the more you realise it's just not worth it to take chances.
Good job Mike. I came up through general aviation into the airlines. Retired now with over 30,000 hours. I no longer have the desire to fly and I watch videos like this, Juan Brown, Dan Grinder and ARFF and wonder why such a big increase in aviation accidents has taken place. Keep up the good work guys.
Its simply statistics and probabilities.
There is no way to make the accident rate constant. Therefore it will ebb and flow from periods of less fatalities to peaks with many. They average out.
One thing that is certain, people will continue to fly headfirst up a blind canyon, just to see where it ends. They will dive well past Va and pull up to show off to their friends just how to easy it is to lose their wings. They will continue to pull a tighter turn from base whenever they overshoot final. They never learn.
All of this was covered in Stick and Rudder. Unfortunately, nobody reads it any more. (200k copies sold i 80 years, ~ 400k pilots at any given time).
@gundogg55 The GA accident rate is at or near a historic low. Google AvWeb's excellent article "Is Accident Reporting Making Us All Crazy" for a deeper dive into the actual numbers.
Truer words have NEVER been spoken... Mike Patey's words are to be respected and taken serious.. The courage to stay on the ground far supersedes the weakness it takes to be forced aloft by your own bad decisions.. Amazing speech.. Thank you Mike..
Probably the most powerful video I've ever seen, you are a true inspiration Mike, everyone in aviation needs to take a leaf out of your book mate, I'm in awe❤
The amount of fatalities where one of the occupants was a flight instructor is beyond alarming. Many of these flight instructors are extremely young. We have a serious problem here and it’s growing.
It seems like the amount of accidents is growing, looking at the amount of vids about "probable cause" and so on. Is the FAA suffering from tunnel vision, with their focus on enforcing remote ID for small UAV craft above 250g, or even below, when flown as part 107 operation, and losing focus on the risks of manned aviation, where people die on a daily basis?
Instructional flights are the most difficult and dangerous. Those instructors have to try to teach in a highly dynamic and relatively chaotic environment where sometimes the students are inadvertently trying to kill them or put their certificates at risk. It is juggling quite a lot with crap pay and typically crap schedules, working for many more hours than the Hobbs meter shows. It is exactly where I’d expect to see most accidents, GA or instructional flights.
It's been getting steadily worse since 1970.
My instructors were flying in 1936 and 48.
Took my first lesson at 10 yrs old.
I learned the old ways and AQP.
In 55 years CP I've flown with several incompetent unsafe pilots with 5-10,000 hours. Scary.
I sold a single engine Cessna to a CP and he stall/spun it on takeoff, fatally. How the hell does that happen?
🔔😎
@@rc-fannl7364 The GA accident rate is at or near a historic low. The amount of reporting makes it "seem" otherwise, but the data shows we are improving. Google AvWeb's excellent article "Is Accident Reporting Making Us All Crazy" for a deeper dive into the actual numbers.
The aviation industry imposed many arbitrary requirements to make qualified airline pilots. This shortage is self-inflicted.
Ya know Mike, I totally get stepping back a little bit and flying more conservatively after all that’s happened. For my part I come to your channel to see all that you put into your projects. I work in decorating and finishing homes, seeing all you’ve been doing with your pool project is just as fascinating to me. Keep it up!
Hi Mike, I’m a low time pilot. Got my license in the old school days you talk about 2003. Seen a flight instructor die and other close to home accidents. Struggles with this have kept me from flying as much as I wanted to. I still have the passion. I let those bad experiences stop me. You are right. It’s on us to make the right decisions.
6:34 to see you fighting the emotions here Mike was heart wrenching.
It is on us as pilots / students to maintain our knowledge just as much as it is to maintain our flying quals
Good on you Mike, this was a great talk. It's hard losing colleagues, so I know exactly how you feel. I am a (now retired) paramedic of 30 years. We were losing them to suicide at record rates, and I have personally lost 6 friends/colleagues. Bless you for this talk, for speaking out and speaking truth. My deepest condolences for your losses.
Hey man, I'm sorry for what you've gone through and your buddies. That's not easy. I hope you find your peace and the others find their way
Thank you. What saddens me the most is that they suffered in silence and didn't talk to anyone. I and many ofhters would have GLADLy listened to them, and try to help.@@getstuk87
Patey is aways wired, and it can't possibly be coffee! The man is just 24/7 energy.
If you had the reward at the end of the work he does you'd be working hard too... He's built quite the life for
24/7 intelligence.
ADHD I hear... he sure spins it into a superpower though if that's a fact
@@flip66five I'm going with your guess.
Wasn't an insult gentlemen.
When my oldest brother was killed in a car accident in 1986, the state police officer said; "There are no accidents, there are only incidents which have chain of event causes". In my brother's case, it was a young man driving with his girlfriend on a wide open country road who missed a single stop sign at a country road crossing.
Oh man, I’m so sorry for your loss. The hole in our hearts never goes away. You’re absolutely correct, always a chain of events.
@@ChandraSlyFoxPatey Thank you, we all miss him still to this day.
I work on gravel roads out east in colorado.
The number of people who run stop signs out here is unbelievable. And many if not all of these 4-way intersections are only only two way stops, so you gotta play it like demolition derby.
People are profoundly stupid. The exception is rare.
@@Triple_J.1You learn from driving motorcycles, and living through it, that you have to watch all traffic for all possibilities. Then pilot your vehicle through the safest corridor. Never hotrod it.
@@Triple_J.1 I wouldn't always dismiss those as stupidity. I ran through a stop sign while I was working as a 3rd shift security guard. No one else was there at the intersection thank goodness, but I learned that I needed more time to adjust to my new sleeping schedule.
So sorry to hear of his friends loss, Mike seemed visibly upset but still managed to get through that discussion in a professional manner, if his advice is taken seriously I am sure he’s going to save people’s lives, love your posts Mike keep up the good work!
I'm not an aviator but I used to ride motorcycles and absolutely agree with Mike, safety beats luck almost every time. Put another way, the more often you do things that could go sideways, the more likely you are to get hurt and the more likely you are to get hurt the more likely you are to have something happen that you do not walk away from. I knew better and more experienced folks who rode with me who aren't here anymore and it is always better to stay home if you have any serious doubts than to try your luck and find out your luck didn't hold.
Your family and friends will be better for you being careful because they want you to come home as much as you want to be with them. It is one of the reasons I enjoy watching Mike's builds so much, because he plans and builds to increase safety and it makes the difference between never having a problem, or maybe having an exciting story and about a friend calling and saying, "hey, I had some bad news today, did you hear about..."
LAST COMMENT . aft3r finding your channel ... the drive you have ... the loss ( ...... ) Lia Block does Pikes Peak in Ken's Legacy . NEVER STOP ! NEVER FORGET WHY YOU'RE STILL HERE . AND THANKYOU !!!! THANKYOU SO MUCH .
sensei Patey is a LEGEND. amongst the greatest people in aviation circles.
I STARTED FLYING IN 1953. RETIRED NOW. I LOVE THIS MAN PATEY AND HIS BROTHER. HE SPEAKS TRUTH.
I started flying in 69 and feel the same way. I find myself constantly searching for new videos. I was totally addicted to Draco.
Mike Patey and Dan Gryder should team up, rewrite the books, and drain the swamp of stupidity in the NTSB and FAA.
Patey has a point, probably every pilot at some point, especially the younger males, have taken risks that weren't worth it. Confidence doesn't always equal competence.
@@jayklink851 That's right. Overconfidence will get you killed.
And they do it at a fraction of the cost of the NTSB and the FAA. 🤑🤔🤨
What an incredible talk. This is one hell of an aviator and one hell of a guy. Mike Patel is one solid dude.
I'm not a pilot, yet this speech had me so invested in the discussion I hardly realized that an hour had passed. Great work, and this is invaluable knowledge if I ever persue my aviation interests.
I will be having my PPL checkride in 3 days. You, along other safety focused pilots in YT have given me so much insight and invaluable advise I would otherwise never gotten, I can't thank you enough for that.
You're helping me become an extra safe pilot looking out for things you learn with experience.
In Costa Rica flying is a challenge, the terrain is unforgiving, the weather can change on you in a blink of an eye, the temps are rarely ever just fresh...there's so much you have to look out for. DA is a challenge here as well, between the elevation, high temps and humidity...
I'm taking your advise with me, and hope to never become complacent.
Much love. Pura vida.
Lost my dad to DA issues in Reno airport back in 91. I was 4, sis was 6. It was a hard childhood and makes me eager to be a father one day to cherish the moments my dad and I wish we had. Fly safe guys, your kids are broken without you.
I do not frequently get overwhelmed by people on TH-cam but @Mike Patey is an absolutely wonderful human being. He is so smart but even more than smart he is caring and passionate and humble! I applaud him and would love to be blessed enough to get to know someone as amazing as he is!!
Thank you Mike for this speech. As a professional aviator, this is a great moment for me to take a step back look inward and continue to hone my craft, and operate well within the margin of safety for the days you don't realize you needed that margin. Great stories so sorry for the loss of your friends.
You can see the emotion on Mike's face when he starts the speech, so many things going through his head while talking! What a good Man!
Thanks for the upload Mike. I just want to give a shout-out to my Dad. More than 40,000 hours logged. He died of old age at home but that was thanks to his experience, his calm (not unlike a Test Pilot's) and God's nickname; Luck. He also was clever.
Most of his hours were short to medium hops so he had far more landings and takeoffs than the WW2 Pilots who became commercial pilots later. He didn't get to have a 3 Strikes rule and so for instance; (in the early 1960's I think) got sent up on a hop through a hurricane which took the paint off the airplane. He also met and flew most of Joe Kennedy's children, including Jack and Jackie (but not at the same time). He flew rotary and fixed, single and twin (and none at all) and even rebuilt several aircraft, floats and even an aircraft from Plans. To top it off, he jumped from perfectly good ones.
I was his youngest of a "small Catholic Family" so he found time for that as well. My story with him was a bit like a Cobbler's son with no shoes, I did learn to fly from him and am grateful for the knowledge he shared. That's where I will share the only part here that might be helpful to others (usually my comments are not personal) : Crosswinds. I've made the comment elsewhere before but to preface it this time: My father talked about "heavy winds being a go/no-go for lessons" yet as I stood in the kitchen and more than once, looked at a row of 60 foot pines getting their tops blown around, that was a "go" day.
Well, all but one of them weren't bad in the Cessna he converted to Conventional Gear. Anyway, one day after lots of dual like that and having already soloed, he sent me again, alone to the airport to fly. I was shooting landings with a front, quartering wind, approximately 30 mph gusts (hard to remember now and I'm trying to avoid a fish story). The owner of a 186 was in the sky as well. He couldn't put it down (except twice) and had lots of excuses. Mostly "me", of course but all except one of my many touch and go's, we had no actual conflict in the pattern, not even close. The one that was felt forced by him, perhaps to bolster his reason(s) for not putting it down. I pondered it all for awhile and felt that wind is regional, not local and my father had done me a great favor.
Oh and I forgot to mention that I landed full-stop, got back to the tie downs and watched this guy miss some more. Apparently a ghost aircraft was on the runway this time. He really did blame "an aircraft" when he was on another pass.
The reason I came back to add that was to make it clear; he had the pattern and the runways to himself for a while.
Super thankful for what you do in the industry. Super thankful you're making time for your kids and being a solid dad in amongst all the hobbies. Keep being real.
My dad had 17,000+ hours, ATP and CFI ratings, wanted to teach me to fly. I knew with my personality and thrill-seeking penchant, it would end up bad. I never got rated and also stay off road motorcycles. I made it to 61 years old so far, because I understood my flaw.
If we make it past childhood . . . we're just plain lucky. I could tell you stories and I was a relatively careful kid. I'm 84 now but I don't jump over fences, I look around my car before I back out of a parking space, etc. Oh, and I don't do midnight sky diving (I never did).🤫
This attitude is why I drive a Sprinter van. Slow and safe.
I know someone who has this pov on risky activities and I find it weird. So you're too hardcore to even partake? That's not true. Sounds like you're just scared. You're obviously interested in flying and motorcycles so you should get involved in these things as safely as you can. You're already 61. Do you want to have lived your whole life avoiding your interests because you were scared? I don't mean to put this harshly, just please enjoy life.
@@PsRohrbaugh And you can sleep in it too. They make cool camper vans.
@@rcvg69420how many close calls do you have to have before you know it's a matter of time? Calling someone scared is immature, maybe they have other things in their lives that are more important than themselves, like a family that loves them, and doesn't want to risk their lives because of them, you know how mountain climbing is, it seems to be a very selfish hobby, just to climb something and risk your life and if you die, your children, and partner in life are left broken forever. Sometimes you need to weigh your risks and mitigate it, and although I think flying is as safe as you make it, but it's mother nature, or pilot error, malfunctioning crafts, it's too many variables for some to deal with comfortably, not everyone can be professional commercial pilots that accumulate thousands of hours, and that you pay for their expertise in keeping you alive
Everyone in GA should be made to watch this talk session. Brilliant,big thank you to you Juan and Mike.
I see you as always upbeat and happy and I enjoy seeing your enthusiasm and joy of life. Stay safe Mike, I’d miss seeing you!
Hey Mike I’ve been following you for years now. I’m just getting back into aviation after a 9 yr break. I think everyone needed to hear all of this after a tough year in aviation, so thank you for putting that together. When you try to push a flight that shouldn’t be pushed and the strikes start adding up, that’s when you see “the holes in the cheese start to line up” as my friend would say.
I worked on a weapon system that used cylinders with holes that would line up one by one until there was a clear shot to arm. “the holes in the cheese start to line up” was what we used to stay.
I am not in aviation as a pilot BUT I sit in the back as a paramedic. My 17 year old daughter is interested in aviation. We have been up with a friend who is building hours. This was a geat help in what I will look for if she decides to do it. Thanks again all. Safe travels
Thank you for being willing to do one of the tough jobs!! All our best to your daughter in her endeavors.
I’m an EMT that gave it up and dove into flight school this year. Case review after case review has painted a completely different picture of EMS both FW/Rotor. We used to joke about there being too many stars in the sky for the crew to fly. I won’t be doing that anymore. Total respect for turned down flights.
Thank you Mike, praying for peace for you and for the families of those lost. My son is getting ready to graduate high school and he’s going to an aviation school to become a commercial pilot. We love your videos but we also appreciate everything you do for aviation.
The best advice my dad, a pilot for 65 years, gave me was, "Never take anything for granted". Not your aircraft, not your flying abilities, not the weather, not the wind, not other planes in the air with you. He also said, "Never ever be in a hurry or you have to get there no matter the conditions".
Get-there-itis is a killer, 100%.
That last one is what I follow. I can always fly another day, I can get there another day. Lots of good advice.
Your dad wasn't a pilot. He was just a wannabe cool guy
@@dpythonone3004 My dad started flying when he was 17 years old and flew biplanes at the Roseville Airport/ Hartung Gratiot Airport in Michigan. He earned his AP license at 21 and flew his restored Piper Cub until he was 82 years old.
Sub 100 hour recreational pilot here from Australia. I've learned so much from watching Mike and Juan, and I believe I'm a far safer pilot for it. You are both the type of pilot that I aspire to be. Thank you gentlemen.
I flew cargo configurated MD-11'S into Australia around a dozen times from Hawaii. I even skydived 10 to 12 times with my oun gear in Australia...fun times. I also flew 10 years out of Nome Alaska. Retired in Florida and in my late 60's. I survived!
Way to be Mike!!!!
Mike I have the greatest respect and admiration for you and your brother. You have done so much for the world of aviation And a big thank you for the speech you just gave on safety a lot of pilots needed to hear what you had to say. My heart goes out to you for the friends you have lost love you guys
Was great to meet you in person. Thank you for sharing some stories about safety and ways we can be better pilots.
I don’t fly…always wanted to and love flight! This hanger talk has been extremely interesting, informative and above all else this video should be watched by all pilots/aviators!!
Thank you guys…all of you!! 💪🏻👍🏻😊
Excellent! We need more events like this across the country.
Thank you, Mike. Well done!
In 13 months, I have lost 5 family members and 4 close friends. It really does bring into focus our priorities, and the ways in which we approach things such as the meticulous discipline of aviation, and nuances of the locations through which we fly. May you carry the souls of your friends with you every time you fly.
CAVU skies and tailwinds, good soul 🙏🏼🕊️
Mike, thank you so much for your words of wisdom and prospective on this safety discussion. It's crazy how the timing of the release of this video worked out today. I found out that a friend and close mentor to me unfortunately lost his life in an aviation accident. It has just been heavy on my mind and heart trying to process it and how it happened. You remind me so much of him and Sitting down and watching this gave me some great food for thought about it. He welcomed me into our local EAA community as a teenager and foster what has become a life long passion and career as a military / general aviation pilot. There's a lot I want to say about it but I hope you get to see this heartfelt thank you for your humility and passion for us as fellow pilots. My condolences and prayers for your losses. Like my friends words always have, your words will stick with me as I move forward and grow and get back to work. Cheers Mike.
Thank you Mike for the Reminder it will probably save some lives that you may never hear the story on them, Blessings Brother for you and your family and All of us out here coming and going on our paths.
Thank you for this Mike, hugely important reminder for us pilots. Those tough losses are incredible wake up calls for those of us still blessed to take to the skies. Rest in peace to those lost, blue skies. Be Safe everyone!
So sorry for your experiences, and many of us have had similar experiences -- although not so close together. Also, speaking this clearly and boldly is called leadership.
I cried watching most of this video...He really-really cares about all these pilots.
Mike and Juan great content, thank you.
Also the caution encouraged by the three strike idea.
My little tale on the icing situation is, even if your aircraft is fitted with de-icing equipment, be prepared for the unexpected.
Pneumatic boots can fail in a nasty way. Had a stuck pneumatic valve that caused the boots not to cycle. They inflated and failed to deflate. Ice build up was immediate and much worse on the inflated boots. Loss of airspeed, increasing AoA to try to maintain altitude in spite of full power being set.
Luckily the terrain allowed an emergency descent to below the freezing level so I'm still here 🙏
Mike Patey is an absolute legend! So grateful to have listened to this!
That is the best hour and twenty one minutes I have spent in a long time. Thank you very, very much
Mike, you've done so many great videos, showing us the engineering that goes into designing and building great planes, but you've never done a more important video. This, and the one Josh Flowers (Aviation 101) did recently, are a great wake-up call for everyone to get their minds right and make better choices. Thank you for your contribution to the community.
Good to see Juan and Mike together. Hey thanks to everyone involved in this. Appreciate the safety training.
what a rare friend you are.. I was taught the 3 strike rule 30 years ago by a CFI out of Scottsdale... His giving me that rule stopped a number of flights but ya know what? am still here banging on a keyboard.... Pretty good chance I would not be if I did not heed his advice like your friend did... Bob Davies was a character and heck of a pilot...
I've been following you for the house build but this speech captivated me. It's great to see someone as invested in something like this as you are. Inspirational and I gained even more respect for what you do, thanks for sharing. Now i need to go check out your other videos...
Thank you Mike for being you.
Geez Mike, I've heard about a million inspirational and motivational speeches but yours tops them all! Thank you so very much for sharing. I'm so incredibly sorry for your losses but the information you've shared is going to save lives and continue to do so endlessly. Much aloha my brother! 🤙
Thank you for everything you do Mike and sharing your stories. Aviation isn't always fun and games, It needs to be respected, I hope these stories instill more awareness in pilots.
Mike that was the most heartfelt and riveting talk! Your humility and authenticity is second to none. Thank you for inspiring us all!
What a fantastic speech Mike. They should make that required for pilots to watch every year.
Older pilots get smarter. Thank goodness you listen to yourself and telling others that respect you.
Your plans at Spanish Fork AP sound fantastic. I've flown PIper Cubs, Cherokee 6, Cessna 172 w/STOL, Cessna150 aerobat over Utah Lake, Beachcraft Bonanza V trail that's somewhere in Utah Lake. It was never found when it went down during the winter out of Provo AP and a paraplane that we flew out of Nephi airstrip.
I once read flying is no different to riding a motorcycle
You have two buckets
Luck / experience
Your goal is to fill the experience bucket before the luck bucket is empty.
Doing both, I'd agree except that it's easier to find a place to park a motorcycle than to find one to park a plane.
@MikePatey you have no idea how much you inspire me, and how much you have impacted my life . Thank you for all that you do for aviation and humanity in general.
Thank YOU!
Thanks for posting this. I think about becoming a pilot at times but this is important to hear. I work as an A&P at one of those big airlines and take for granted those giant bleed air deicing systems you were talking about. Thanks for shining some light on this topic. Sorry for your loss.
To me the best hands down talks for a topic like safety... Real examples from those who have been there. This was really informative, and I loved every minute of it.
Mike, I'm not a pilot, just enjoy anything with an engine - but you're one inspiring guy. Your stories and anecdotes really touched me. Thanks for sharing.
Ditto!
Having been flying since 1994 now and now a full time hems pilot, the 3 strike rule is one I want to use from now on. What an awesome idea. Ive even sent this video link to my CRMI as it was so easy to watch and loads of good for thought. Thank you Mike for your experience. 👍
This is such a powerful presentation. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on a difficult but terribly important subject. Hope to see you and Juan collaborate again in the future.
Hello from Minnesota! What a fantastic event! Thank you for always taking the time to advance aviation!!
There's a reason in so many industries and work places we have near miss reporting and have to show learning from it - and our HSE here asks to see those records early in investigations into fatal accidents. If you don't track them and learn from them, you don't stop doing the things that one day are going to kill you or someone else. Thanks for this talk Mike - if I am ever lucky enough to be able to fly (not so likely any more with my T2 diabetes but you never know) and I need to fly high plateau's I'll ask for some time with an experienced high plateau pilot first! The CFI question is a very pertinent one having seen other vids this week covering a recent incident where the CFI was a major contributing factor to a double fatality training flight.
Mike , i like that you ALWAYS smiling and laughing . The amount of positivity that you have is rare and precious.. you are a candle in a universe of darkness. Best wishes from Saudi Arabia
Thank you for always being humble and transparent. You are a true leader in aviation and we appreciate you openly sharing the reminders on limitations, boundaries, 1-2-3 strikes and good decision making.
Thankful you and Mark are still here and thankful to you and your your families. Hugs from AK!
What an EXCELLENT message from an EXCELLENT person! My own aviation life was nothing like Mike Patey's - but all the same, I had "moments" and saw good pilots lost because of things beyond their control. A Courier aircraft was lost at light over rough country on account of terrible maintenance - Carbon Monoxide got him. A Convair 580 carrying over-night freight suffered severe icing in a storm and crashed in the ocean - no survivors. When I look back at the flight training I received, I am amazed that I did not bend a plane or die in a crash myself. The safety and competence matters that were totally skipped in training give me a chill even today.
Best on their journeys.
Thanks for your wisdom, humor, and sharing those stories.
What a great video! Thank you, everyone, especially Mike.
I saw the 1:20 minute timestamp and thought to myself, geez, do I have time for this? Well, it’s an hour and 21 minutes later, riveting!
What a great chat with like minded aviators. Thank you all.
What a moving speech! Such an icon to the aviation community. Personally I have had the same three strike rule. It has been silly at times to think about but I have never regretted staying on the ground and being safe.
Thank you!! My condolences mike. Be safe everyone
Love you brother. You use your reach to make the world a better place
Thank you for bringing this to us, Mike. Sorry for your loss.
My admiration for Mike (and Mark) continues to grow. His passion for aviation, compassion for others, dedication to excellence, solid work ethic, engineering expertise, and authenticity are seldom all found in one individual. We need more people like the Pateys!
Love you Mike. Keep doing your best, I know you will.
24:00 having watched many ifr into imc videos, patey really captures the emotional rollercoaster for all involved. Human factors is as crucial today as ever.
You're a legend Mike. That was such a great talk considering it was unscripted. I can't even afford to fly yet but I am obsessed with your channel and so grateful for your knowledge. One day I'll get the chance to put it into practice. Thanks Mike. And sorry for your losses brother ❤