@@StreamerTV Battery range is about 30-35 miles. How much do you weigh? What kind of riding do you do? Sport or Eco mode? You have hills where you live? All of those things are dependent on the rider so battery life for me will probably be different for you. I don't weigh that much and I live near a downtown with not many inclines. I get about 35+ miles of range.
Glad you like the bike. I've owned mine for four years and put 8100 miles on him to date. I tested the Kaniwaba pedal kit for Juan and gave him feedback before he offered it to the public. I ride with the flow of traffic so being respectful means I'm not ruining it for everyone else. I was one of the few who obtained a CA moped plate in the beginning, but the state is no longer issuing them to Sur Ron owners. I never use mine simply because I don't want to be seen as anything more than a fancy ebike. Once someone sees a bike with signals and a plate you are viewed as something more than an ebike. I ride on the street and the dirt. Respectful on both and I tend to ride during the week so trails are empty. I've never had anyone complain to me on dirt or the street. Being respectful is key. I've had two CHP motor officers pull up next to me at a signal. I try not to make eye contact with people because after four years I got tired of the same questions. But I looked over at the officers, got down in a tuck position and pretended to blip my throttle and gave the head motion "Let's go!" They both laughed and shook their heads NO! LOL I wrote a long term review of the bike for WebBikeWorld.
The cost and details of homologation here in the US would make it cost prohibitive. Dirt only is the reason we see so many light PEV players here. Street legal is a whole different legal animal.
Cool vid. Nice to watch a new person jump on one for the first time. See that initial stoke. I’m trying to get motivated and do a review on our Sur Ron X’s after beating the crap out of 2 of them for 2-1/2 years week in and week out. I mean, we been riding them HARD. Haha. We’re blown away they’re both still going strong
Great review once again! Loving the production on your channel. I’m personally following your tips on lighting and electric diy for my ebikes. I’ve been on the fence for a Surron but now leaning towards it. Thanks for the inspiration.
Thanks! These videos take awhile to produce and edit and it's comments like yours that make it all worth it. In the next video, we'll try to do a similar DIY lighting kit on the SurRon which should be fun. Hit me up anytime if you have any questions on rigging it up!
Love the review bro. Im getting close to purchasing one. Any luck on registering as a moped? (If that was an option for ya). I live in cali so regs suck out here
I'm a short guy too and they do have a lowering kit for the seat you could have also ordered it as a Supermoto it's a little bit more money it comes with mirrors and lights and pretty much everything you need and 17-inch Wheels with street tires I have the same one as you but I'm thinking about ordering another one only a Supermoto
Yup, thought of that but didn't want to wait so just ordered the standard. Ordered the supermoto wheels separately. We actually just bought some used x160 wheels as well for 17" knobbies for winter.
Have you figured out how to set up and or adjust the fast ace forks? If so could you please do a video on it. Your videos are great and as of today 9-27 no one has done a video on adjusting them froks
Great video, does anyone know if you can buy the "street legal" version in USA? It comes with mirrors, blinkers, and turn signals, and is available in other countries.
You can ride it without registering as long as you don't do anything that draws too much attention. Technically it's not street legal but it's very rarely enforced on this bike.
I think so. There seems to be a large community of Sur-Rons in NYC if you search the Sur-Ron Facebook groups. They don't seem to have any issues riding on the streets.
Tip for your build; look into "Prickly Motors Sports" for SurRon parts they have some lower mounts & footpegs that would match your supermoto very well. 👌
@@RunPlayBack indeed, looking at those graphite lowers w/ pegs & orange studs for you 😉 Well good to know, it seems they are very unknown and have no one doing any promotion for them on TH-cam, maybe you can help them out 😆
Great review! But are we just goin to ignore the goggle strap on the helmet isn’t wear it’s supposed to be I know its stoopid to mention but It’s kinda funny 😂😂😂
is there a reason that people buy the offroad then convert to road rarther than just buying the road legal one......like is ther better susspention on the offroad for example ????
So the road legal one isn't available in the United States which is why most of the riders here end up getting the supermoto kit and adding their own brake lights and turn signals.
I don't know too much about the laws in Toronto. But out here where I live you just need functioning signals, brake light and speed limited to 30mph to register as a moped.
It really depends on the kind of riding that you like to do. If you're in an area that has some rough terrain and doesn't have super strict ebike regulations than the Sur-Ron is a good choice. If you do mainly street riding and want something that feels like a moped, the Onyx is better.
@@RunPlayBack, thank you so much for answering this question. I’m deciding between the two. I’m 5’7” and was looking at the ONYX RCR shorty because of my height. Do you have the shorty for the RCR? May I ask what your height is for reference?
I built my own ebike and am looking for better suspension and a more powerful motor. But any sort of upgrade takes me over the legal limit and on a used mountain bike that’s not at all built for 3,000+ watts. Also with a terrible, terrible safety issue where the pedal is inches away from the spokes of the wheel. (Don’t ask me how I know it’s a terrible, terrible safety issue) So I think a more reliable and well built bike is the way to go. So in the near future I’ll get a Sur Ron X and run it stock. And then once I get my license, I’ll register it as a moped/motorcycle and run it as a daily driver with all the power unlocked. The used car market is just insanely high right now. So anyway I slice it (including hospital bills) it ends costing less and is way more fun than a car. And I can see myself riding it through the first leg of college till the Tesla Network finally comes online.
That's a good idea, I've definitely built some high powered DIY ebikes with components that were a little too powerful for the frame. The Sur-Ron X is a great choice. Ride safe!
The fork is not what defines a Sur Ron. Supply issues have seen every shipment of Sur Rons running whatever fork was available to the factory in China .
😎 I got the Sur Ron so I can go anywhere my OneWheel homies can go. It can jump up and down curbs also climb stairs. You can’t do that on a Onyx or Super 73!
@@RunPlayBack my height is the same and my sur ron is coming soon. I may get seat lowering brackets as I don't want it to be slower with smaller wheels.
I feel like they had a good price point, before they decided to up the price by 500. At 4,100 and a 200$ pedal kit you're now at the price of a oync rcr, but only a 60 volt. Not to mention the size is basically unacceptable for anyone over 5'10. There are raiser sets, for more money. Getting a new 72 volt battery, you need a new controller. Assuming you sell the old battery and old controller, you're still going to have to pay out at least another grand. That puts you at over 5 grand and you now have to try and sell your old battery to recoup the cost. Unfortunately it's just not worth the hassle for the street when you can get something from oynx for less work, less money and less hassle. HOWEVER, for someone who's going to take this off road more than on? Well, there's not many other options out there. The RCRs stock suspension is garbage and cannot handle off-road in the least. Their price was exactly what it should have been when it was 3,600. Now? No way. Fun overview! Hope you enjoy the bike.
Thank you for the thoughtful, detailed comment. I definitely agree with you on a lot of those points and $3,500-3,600 is the sweet spot for this bike. I didn't mean to pick on the Onyx in this review, I still think it's a dope bike and a fun part of our collection. I just find myself choosing to ride the Surron more often because it's more nimble. As far as cost goes, I didn't include my comments on that yet, maybe the next video. But yes you can go down a deep rabbit hole of modding and spending and find yourself spending more than anticipated. Again, great points and I'll try to address it in the next video. Thank you!
Very accurate comment there mate. In Australia we don’t have many options when it comes to electric dirt bikes. My SurRon is about to be $15,000 Aud invested now! Waiting on my 72v set up. I don’t regret a thing! If somewhere sold a kuberg or a Cake OR I would have seriously thought about getting one of those instead! At the entry level price point they are a great project to buy and progressively upgrade. You really notice every dollar you spend on it when it comes to suspension, ergonomics and power!
@@antssta Great points! I'll try to mention that in the next video - that you can slowly upgrade and mod depending on your riding style. I was originally considering doing a DIY enduro build but then realized it made more sense for me to pick up a Surron since it really is a good base to start from. Another thing is that once you get into the $4k+ category of ebikes, most owners know what they're getting into and are most likely to mod it rather than keeping it stock.
@@RunPlayBack I agree that the surron has more potential with it's lighter frame and world wide modding community. The RCR is very stuck to what it is. Hub motors also can't change torque to speed ratios like you can on surron by swapping the rear sprocket. And I'll be honest, if I could have a better fit surron, and a 3,600$ price point, and the option to upgrade the battery in house rather than after market, I probably wouldn't have grabbed the rcr. The ability to upgrade the battery before purchased is super overlooked for ebikes. Which is incredibly sad because the battery is what makes an ebike. I think the reason why most companies don't let you upgrade is because they all use the same cookie cutter battery from China. A great example of this is the hype scrambler 2. The "upgrade" to the battery was to just throw another one on the frame of the bike.
@@RunPlayBack I primarily ride on paved trails and streets, so the moto tires grip way better! Overall I love the bike still! Bought the same peddle/power kit you did but haven't installed yet. Only gripe I have is my throttle hand gets numb from twisting on longer rides.
@@Dillon-ux6it That's awesome, sounds exactly like the kind of riding we do out here. Yeah I agree, the throttle hand can get a little sore on long rides. I'm pretty happy with the range so far.
@Jesse might be worth looking into. Traditional dirt bike style throttles don’t require as much rotation as the Surron. A 1/4 turn throttle would be better but haven’t seen avail yet?
I'm about the same height. I'd recommend getting lowering brackets from Surronshop and supermoto wheels to bring the bike lower. It's perfect for me now.
@@RunPlayBack thank you, you have no idea how much of a big help you’ve been :D I’m not sure if perception anxiety is even a thing lol but if it is, then I most likely have it 😂 worrying it’ll be too big or if Eboards are too wide, it also gets a plus since I’m also left handed
@@Withered_Souls187 any time! happy to help! you'll be fine! just check out some of the latest mods on the channel and you'll see its a much better ride for shorter riders.
Cool bike , I mean motorcycle. Unfortunately in commifornia everything is illegal . So I have a himiway cobra . & ready to mid drive it for more torq in the desert hills .
Surprised you have that perception, Surrons are really popular in CA, especially in the south. Based on what I can see, the Himiway Cobra comes with a mid-drive, which aftermarket kit are you planning on swapping to?
@@PlanetOwner exactly lol! They are a little sketchy if you're trying to bring this to the trail or do big jumps and wheelies. Pegs are more appropriate. But for just riding around town low key it's perfect.
@@RunPlayBack more than one bike is why the planets fucked, had hoped ebikers would Get that, but you yanks are very brainwashed to thinking this shit is acceptable even a good goal to aim for. DOH. its NOT
You are not in Calif but here in southern calif there is what I call the Sur Ron kids, that drive all over the place doing wheelies and going to fast on bike trails and are ruining the bike trails for all the type 1 ebikes. I hope you do not do the same.
Lol nope not just me. I have a small team that helps produce all the content on this channel. So when I say "we" it's our collective opinions of the things we've tested and discussed beforehand.
Out here in los Angeles ca. Everybody that has one of this bikes is driving them like irresponsible idiots which is what will eventually get them banned completely, unfortunately.
I have been looking at these but for the price why would you not want a Honda CRF250L? More power never run out of charge, faster, legal on the street and can actually do the dirt better. When they crack down you're going to be screwed on the streets. Most cities thousand-watt maximum and 20 miles an hour.
Great points! It's more just preference than price in this case. And in my city, it's not an issue regarding limits. If you prefer the Honda CRF250L that's cool too.
My name is my name is Shirley Brown so I need a serana top speed so I need one still need a bike yeah when I use battery I need one so I like to know you press who I'm still so what is the price one Serena yeah
For the asking price, just get a real dirt bike, much more reliable and you don’t have to worry about replacing the batteries when it no longer is taking a charge
@@RunPlayBack Man, you got me interested in all these bikes. Now I caan't decide if I should go RCR or Sur Ron...I know they are really for differn't styles of riding. But, I like to do both styles.
@@RunPlayBack it's quieter. It's a little bigger and heavier. Better battery. Better looking. No stupid broken belt to deal with on the regular. I could go on and on.
Sur-Ron X Black Edition: lunacycle.com/sur-ron-x-bike-black-edition/
Battery life???
@@StreamerTV Battery range is about 30-35 miles. How much do you weigh? What kind of riding do you do? Sport or Eco mode? You have hills where you live? All of those things are dependent on the rider so battery life for me will probably be different for you. I don't weigh that much and I live near a downtown with not many inclines. I get about 35+ miles of range.
Do you mind if I ask how tall you are? You said it's a bit tall so I was wondering if it would be too tall for me
@@bobtheblob9739 I'm 5'5" so most things don't really fit me lol.
@@RunPlayBack in around the same hight
Glad you like the bike. I've owned mine for four years and put 8100 miles on him to date. I tested the Kaniwaba pedal kit for Juan and gave him feedback before he offered it to the public. I ride with the flow of traffic so being respectful means I'm not ruining it for everyone else. I was one of the few who obtained a CA moped plate in the beginning, but the state is no longer issuing them to Sur Ron owners. I never use mine simply because I don't want to be seen as anything more than a fancy ebike. Once someone sees a bike with signals and a plate you are viewed as something more than an ebike. I ride on the street and the dirt. Respectful on both and I tend to ride during the week so trails are empty. I've never had anyone complain to me on dirt or the street. Being respectful is key. I've had two CHP motor officers pull up next to me at a signal. I try not to make eye contact with people because after four years I got tired of the same questions. But I looked over at the officers, got down in a tuck position and pretended to blip my throttle and gave the head motion "Let's go!" They both laughed and shook their heads NO! LOL I wrote a long term review of the bike for WebBikeWorld.
That's awesome thanks for sharing! Sounds very similar to how we like to ride in our city. Stay safe and enjoy the ride!
Sur-Ron actually makes street legal version of Light Bee X, available in rest of the world. Luna is just not importing it to US.
Oh that's right..with the different headlight and indicators. Interesting that Luna doesn't import that version.
The cost and details of homologation here in the US would make it cost prohibitive. Dirt only is the reason we see so many light PEV players here. Street legal is a whole different legal animal.
Mine tops out at 49 mph in sport mode and I didn't cut the wire. I'm 6" 1" and 205lbs. and it still gets me to that speed. I've had mine for a year.
Nice! Are you using GPS or the stock display?
@@RunPlayBack I bet it is the stock display these bikes do not do more than 45mph tops.
@@RunPlayBack Stock display.
@@Tonyplat98 not until you mod
Damn 49 mph on 205 pounds? Thats fucking nice
its more than worth the hype. i cant live without it now so much so i got another one
That's awesome! I can see why, it's definitely a fun bike!
I watch thousands of e bikes all around the world the Sur-ron is the best thing out there! Hope you have years of fun on yours Dude!
Definitely my favorite bike so far! Lots of fun to ride and mod! 👍
Cool vid. Nice to watch a new person jump on one for the first time. See that initial stoke. I’m trying to get motivated and do a review on our Sur Ron X’s after beating the crap out of 2 of them for 2-1/2 years week in and week out. I mean, we been riding them HARD. Haha. We’re blown away they’re both still going strong
That's awesome! I probably don't ride it nearly as hard as I could but that's good to hear that it can take a beating! Thank you for watching!
Blane you and your crew ride your bikes tougher than most I know.
Hey man loved the video I'm also short I was wondering how tall you were if you don't mind me asking
5'5"
Great review once again! Loving the production on your channel. I’m personally following your tips on lighting and electric diy for my ebikes. I’ve been on the fence for a Surron but now leaning towards it. Thanks for the inspiration.
Thanks! These videos take awhile to produce and edit and it's comments like yours that make it all worth it. In the next video, we'll try to do a similar DIY lighting kit on the SurRon which should be fun. Hit me up anytime if you have any questions on rigging it up!
Love the review bro. Im getting close to purchasing one. Any luck on registering as a moped? (If that was an option for ya). I live in cali so regs suck out here
Thanks! Yeah actually just did a video about making it street legal here: th-cam.com/video/WwFqntp9WnQ/w-d-xo.html
@@RunPlayBack my dude appreciate you. Where do you live? Might have to jam out with u one day
@@robjazful Michigan!
O wow, i remember you from my DIY-eskate time on eskate-builders. I have been riding on a Surron for a year now and still puts a big smile on my face.
Oh yeah those were the days! Do you still ESK8? I basically sold all my boards and got into ebikes. And I agree the Sur-Ron is a lot of fun!
I'm a short guy too and they do have a lowering kit for the seat you could have also ordered it as a Supermoto it's a little bit more money it comes with mirrors and lights and pretty much everything you need and 17-inch Wheels with street tires I have the same one as you but I'm thinking about ordering another one only a Supermoto
Yup, thought of that but didn't want to wait so just ordered the standard. Ordered the supermoto wheels separately. We actually just bought some used x160 wheels as well for 17" knobbies for winter.
Worth every penny Not a rocket but what you get for the money cant be beat (i am not affiliated with Sur Ron in any way)
I agree!
Have you figured out how to set up and or adjust the fast ace forks?
If so could you please do a video on it. Your videos are great and as of today 9-27 no one has done a video on adjusting them froks
isnt it just like any other air suspension
@@finnhayes5926 nope. Its air and oil but its set up is odd
@@ghettogrower5734 strange, good luck!
Do you think you’ll get pulled over when police sees u on one of these on the street? Thinking of buying one but mostly for street use.
Depends on where you live, generally you won't get bothered unless you do something that draws attention or put others in danger.
I know you have the onxy RCR would like to see a side bye side but also would love if the rcr display came on the sur-ron
yup I will work on a Sur-Ron vs Onyx video
how tall are u if u don't mind me asking? I'm bout 5'5 an been looking at ebikes.
I'm the same height
How tall are you? Curious as I’m very short as well!
5'5"
Great video, does anyone know if you can buy the "street legal" version in USA? It comes with mirrors, blinkers, and turn signals, and is available in other countries.
Not available in the US. Most of the riders here have buy parts and do it themselves to make it street legal.
I have a question, do you have to register the bike or can you drive it without registering?
You can ride it without registering as long as you don't do anything that draws too much attention. Technically it's not street legal but it's very rarely enforced on this bike.
And another question, did you unlock the bike by cutting the green wire inside the bike?
Yes I did!
@@RunPlayBack ok thx for the info
Do you know how to register that as a moped in NJ?
Not sure about NJ but this is how I registered in MI th-cam.com/video/Q-L_GEjN8SQ/w-d-xo.html
Can you tell us where you got the bar end mirror? Thanks.
Hafny Bar End Bike Mirror amzn.to/3GKRGxe
Hey so i live in New york city and i want the sur ron mainly for street riding. Would it still be worth it?
I think so. There seems to be a large community of Sur-Rons in NYC if you search the Sur-Ron Facebook groups. They don't seem to have any issues riding on the streets.
@@RunPlayBack okay cool thanks. Also after changing the tires, how much range have you gotten on average on Ep mode or in general?
Tip for your build; look into "Prickly Motors Sports" for SurRon parts they have some lower mounts & footpegs that would match your supermoto very well. 👌
Nice! Yeah I definitely want to get some of their stuff. They make some really solid parts.
@@RunPlayBack indeed, looking at those graphite lowers w/ pegs & orange studs for you 😉
Well good to know, it seems they are very unknown and have no one doing any promotion for them on TH-cam, maybe you can help them out 😆
hey how tall are you, I'm vertically challenged as well :) i want to make sure it fits me
5'5" but I modded it with 17" supermoto wheels and lowering brackets so it fits much better.
How tall are you cuz I’m short as well and was concerned if the bike would be too tall
5'5" - with the Supermoto conversion and the SurronShop lowering brackets it's perfect.
My new favorite bike! Thanks for sharing
You bet!
Great review! But are we just goin to ignore the goggle strap on the helmet isn’t wear it’s supposed to be I know its stoopid to mention but It’s kinda funny 😂😂😂
Lol yeah, didn't notice it until I started editing the video.
Can't find them anywhere in UK
The Surron? What about surron.co.uk/
Second hand available mas ?
Where is the DeLorean screensaver/Wallpaper from ???
is there a reason that people buy the offroad then convert to road rarther than just buying the road legal one......like is ther better susspention on the offroad for example ????
So the road legal one isn't available in the United States which is why most of the riders here end up getting the supermoto kit and adding their own brake lights and turn signals.
Range is for me is about 50ish miles in eco mode (im 200lbs + bag 220lbs)
Cool, yup I haven't tested the full range as my rides are pretty short but that sounds about right! Thank you!
How tall are you? Trying to compare to my height
5'5"
I live in Toronto, is there anyway to make the sur ron street legal?
I don't know too much about the laws in Toronto. But out here where I live you just need functioning signals, brake light and speed limited to 30mph to register as a moped.
@@RunPlayBack ill have to do my research on the ebike laws here. Thanks for your help! Loved the video too
@@BranDMZ No problem, happy to help!
@@RunPlayBack what about pedals?
@@ellestar2306 pedals would technically make it street legal as long as they function.
I saw you tip towing, how tall are you?
5'5"
@@RunPlayBack big thanks 🙏🏼
How would you compare this to the onyx rcr e bike
It really depends on the kind of riding that you like to do. If you're in an area that has some rough terrain and doesn't have super strict ebike regulations than the Sur-Ron is a good choice. If you do mainly street riding and want something that feels like a moped, the Onyx is better.
Thank you!!
I think I prefer the onyx because it's virtually silent is that enough to choose it over the suron?
I mean most ebikes are pretty silent, not sure if that's a major feature to choose an Onyx over a Sur-Ron. The Sur-Ron is pretty silent as well.
In every video, Surons are not silent and quite loud, only tire noise on onyx. Is it just the camera microphone?
@@Onetazien yeah that's true I guess I don't really notice it that much when I'm riding either the Onyx or Sur-Ron.
Which do you prefer to ride, Surron or the Onyx?
Surron
@@RunPlayBack, thank you so much for answering this question. I’m deciding between the two. I’m 5’7” and was looking at the ONYX RCR shorty because of my height. Do you have the shorty for the RCR? May I ask what your height is for reference?
They make a seat lowering bracket too.
Yup! Already got it installed!
I built my own ebike and am looking for better suspension and a more powerful motor. But any sort of upgrade takes me over the legal limit and on a used mountain bike that’s not at all built for 3,000+ watts. Also with a terrible, terrible safety issue where the pedal is inches away from the spokes of the wheel. (Don’t ask me how I know it’s a terrible, terrible safety issue) So I think a more reliable and well built bike is the way to go.
So in the near future I’ll get a Sur Ron X and run it stock. And then once I get my license, I’ll register it as a moped/motorcycle and run it as a daily driver with all the power unlocked. The used car market is just insanely high right now. So anyway I slice it (including hospital bills) it ends costing less and is way more fun than a car. And I can see myself riding it through the first leg of college till the Tesla Network finally comes online.
That's a good idea, I've definitely built some high powered DIY ebikes with components that were a little too powerful for the frame. The Sur-Ron X is a great choice. Ride safe!
My dude looking like Dark Helmut in this video. 🤣🤣🤣 Good review though. Love my x260...
Haha gotta keep the noggin safe! 😂
I'm always little paranoid riding this on west Michigan streets... or even an onyx. Head turners
Yup I hear ya, I feel the same way!
You had anytrouble with the law or naw I'm from there to was thinking buying one
@@dark_brother_hood none so far. Always on the look out tho.
@@dark_brother_hood nope no trouble at all...I also ride with signals, slow down near pedestrians and follow traffic rules in my city.
Nice video man!!
Much appreciated, thank you for watching!
@@RunPlayBack 🤗
So I can't just keep it under 28mph and ride it in the bike lanes around town?? Bummer
You can, depending on where you live. But its a grey area that is hardly enforced unless you put others in danger.
I’ve gone 52 down hill fresh out and now that I use it on any ground it’s 46-47
Luna need to drop the Edition the true surron black edition had debonair forks. any thing else is just a std black surron same as all the rest.
Didn't realize that...good to know!
The fork is not what defines a Sur Ron. Supply issues have seen every shipment of Sur Rons running whatever fork was available to the factory in China .
😎 I got the Sur Ron so I can go anywhere my OneWheel homies can go. It can jump up and down curbs also climb stairs. You can’t do that on a Onyx or Super 73!
Yup, the suspension on the Surron makes it very agile!
It’s funny how not that long ago I was still using Class 2 on my S2 and now I’m going 38 down hills and want to go faster. Lol
Same here :) I guess once you develop the skills and feel comfortable at higher speeds you end up wanting more!
Would a surron work for someone who is 6ft?
Definitely! Plus lots of accessories to add if you want it to feel bigger. Like seat riser brackets and bigger seats.
How tall are you? I’m 5’5
Me too. Same height.
How tall are you?
5'5"
@@RunPlayBack my height is the same and my sur ron is coming soon. I may get seat lowering brackets as I don't want it to be slower with smaller wheels.
I feel like they had a good price point, before they decided to up the price by 500. At 4,100 and a 200$ pedal kit you're now at the price of a oync rcr, but only a 60 volt. Not to mention the size is basically unacceptable for anyone over 5'10. There are raiser sets, for more money.
Getting a new 72 volt battery, you need a new controller. Assuming you sell the old battery and old controller, you're still going to have to pay out at least another grand. That puts you at over 5 grand and you now have to try and sell your old battery to recoup the cost.
Unfortunately it's just not worth the hassle for the street when you can get something from oynx for less work, less money and less hassle. HOWEVER, for someone who's going to take this off road more than on? Well, there's not many other options out there. The RCRs stock suspension is garbage and cannot handle off-road in the least. Their price was exactly what it should have been when it was 3,600. Now? No way.
Fun overview! Hope you enjoy the bike.
Thank you for the thoughtful, detailed comment. I definitely agree with you on a lot of those points and $3,500-3,600 is the sweet spot for this bike. I didn't mean to pick on the Onyx in this review, I still think it's a dope bike and a fun part of our collection. I just find myself choosing to ride the Surron more often because it's more nimble. As far as cost goes, I didn't include my comments on that yet, maybe the next video. But yes you can go down a deep rabbit hole of modding and spending and find yourself spending more than anticipated. Again, great points and I'll try to address it in the next video. Thank you!
Very accurate comment there mate. In Australia we don’t have many options when it comes to electric dirt bikes. My SurRon is about to be $15,000 Aud invested now! Waiting on my 72v set up. I don’t regret a thing! If somewhere sold a kuberg or a Cake OR I would have seriously thought about getting one of those instead! At the entry level price point they are a great project to buy and progressively upgrade. You really notice every dollar you spend on it when it comes to suspension, ergonomics and power!
@@antssta Great points! I'll try to mention that in the next video - that you can slowly upgrade and mod depending on your riding style. I was originally considering doing a DIY enduro build but then realized it made more sense for me to pick up a Surron since it really is a good base to start from. Another thing is that once you get into the $4k+ category of ebikes, most owners know what they're getting into and are most likely to mod it rather than keeping it stock.
@@RunPlayBack I agree that the surron has more potential with it's lighter frame and world wide modding community. The RCR is very stuck to what it is. Hub motors also can't change torque to speed ratios like you can on surron by swapping the rear sprocket.
And I'll be honest, if I could have a better fit surron, and a 3,600$ price point, and the option to upgrade the battery in house rather than after market, I probably wouldn't have grabbed the rcr.
The ability to upgrade the battery before purchased is super overlooked for ebikes. Which is incredibly sad because the battery is what makes an ebike. I think the reason why most companies don't let you upgrade is because they all use the same cookie cutter battery from China. A great example of this is the hype scrambler 2. The "upgrade" to the battery was to just throw another one on the frame of the bike.
Its worth the hassle i owned a fully upgraded sur ron. No other bike compares and it smokes the onyx.
Just wondering how tall are u
5'5"
God I love my Sur Ron ✊ banger vid !!
Definitely our favorite bike so far! So much fun to ride! 👍
Got mine last December and converted to Super Moto!
Nice! How do you like it so far? Do you miss the offroad tires?
@@RunPlayBack I primarily ride on paved trails and streets, so the moto tires grip way better! Overall I love the bike still! Bought the same peddle/power kit you did but haven't installed yet. Only gripe I have is my throttle hand gets numb from twisting on longer rides.
@@Dillon-ux6it That's awesome, sounds exactly like the kind of riding we do out here. Yeah I agree, the throttle hand can get a little sore on long rides. I'm pretty happy with the range so far.
@Jesse might be worth looking into. Traditional dirt bike style throttles don’t require as much rotation as the Surron. A 1/4 turn throttle would be better but haven’t seen avail yet?
So the Kit would be perfect for me since I’m 5’4
I'm about the same height. I'd recommend getting lowering brackets from Surronshop and supermoto wheels to bring the bike lower. It's perfect for me now.
@@RunPlayBack thank you, you have no idea how much of a big help you’ve been :D I’m not sure if perception anxiety is even a thing lol but if it is, then I most likely have it 😂 worrying it’ll be too big or if Eboards are too wide, it also gets a plus since I’m also left handed
@@Withered_Souls187 any time! happy to help! you'll be fine! just check out some of the latest mods on the channel and you'll see its a much better ride for shorter riders.
@@RunPlayBack oh I will, I already subbed
How tall are you? I’m 6’2
I'm only 5'5" so the bike is probably a little small for you. But you can add seat extenders and things to make it more comfortable.
Cool bike , I mean motorcycle. Unfortunately in commifornia everything is illegal . So I have a himiway cobra . & ready to mid drive it for more torq in the desert hills .
Surprised you have that perception, Surrons are really popular in CA, especially in the south. Based on what I can see, the Himiway Cobra comes with a mid-drive, which aftermarket kit are you planning on swapping to?
Defo worth the money can’t get off mine
Same!
Damn! Nice rides! What’s next? Huck Stinger? Lol
I think we're done for now lol! I'd love to test out a Huck though!
Where do I buy a sur Ron?
Link is in the description - Luna Cycle if you are US based.
It’s a hybrid via dirt bike and mountain bike .
I agree!
I love the bike and it performs well but not enough places for me to legally ride it.
Yeah I hear ya, but depending on where you live you can register it as a moped if you keep it on eco mode and add signals.
@@RunPlayBack definitely, leave it to you to figure out the awesome loophole!🤘
@@PlanetOwner I also have the Kaniwaba pedal kit on it. Does it propel the bike? No. Does it make you street legal on first glance? Kind of :)
@@RunPlayBack hell yeah, whatever works and even if the pedals are like a beer coozy they are definitely key to being a little less suspect 😆
@@PlanetOwner exactly lol! They are a little sketchy if you're trying to bring this to the trail or do big jumps and wheelies. Pegs are more appropriate. But for just riding around town low key it's perfect.
We share the same last name. That’s cool
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wish nyc made these legal, would get one and reduce traffic and emissions
Yeah I agree, seems like they've been cracking down on Onyx's and Sur-Ron's lately. :(
Rode a full year straight in nyc with the sur ron x. No issues with cops. Just ride it like a motorcycle. Its not an ebike
@@RunPlayBack mostly scoots.
@@tintin6291 ahh ok cool, yeah I was going off what I was seeing on the Onyx FB groups from the NY riders
@@tintin6291 did you have the pedals on or straight pegs? And did you have a rego on it?
For that price you can buy a pretty nice supermoto/ dual sport mortocycle, why go with less?
To avoid all the training for me it would be worth it don't don't deal with dmv or anything
Where can I buy a Sur Ron they are all sold out
Looks like Luna Cycle may have more in stock this month. I put a link in the description.
I really like this ..but but i already order the cyber x for 2800$
That's a cool bike, definitely want to try that out one day!
Me too with the add ons ended up to be $4,700, 50 ah battery, bac4000
Would you sell the cyber x and get a surron? Lmk what you think when you get yours
BAC 4000 and 72 volt battery coming soon ? lol
Oh man, we'll see! I'm actually really enjoying the stock parts for now!
@@RunPlayBack for sure, enjoy. A respectable stable of ebikes ya got now 🤘🏻
thank you! Yes some good options depending the style of riding for the day. Really enjoying the Surron as the best all around bike right now. :)
@@RunPlayBack more than one bike is why the planets fucked, had hoped ebikers would Get that, but you yanks are very brainwashed to thinking this shit is acceptable even a good goal to aim for. DOH. its NOT
@@H4N5O1O I mean...I can't disagree with you. That's a fair assessment.
Frivilous spending, I love it! Ordering one for sure. Also, I think the irresponsible riding aura surrounding Sur Ron owners is 100% warranted lol
Good point!
I own an Eletric scooter that eats all SirSurRonSters 😅
Sounds delicious!
Need.
Surron said 7000 watts for 2021
You have learn how to wheelie with the sur-ron
I'll try! I'm not very good at it.
You are not in Calif but here in southern calif there is what I call the Sur Ron kids, that drive all over the place doing wheelies and going to fast on bike trails and are ruining the bike trails for all the type 1 ebikes. I hope you do not do the same.
Not as many Surrons in Michigan and no, none of them are ruining bike trails. Plenty of offroad space and private land out here.
You keep saying WE, but its only just you. Multiple personalities? Lol
Lol nope not just me. I have a small team that helps produce all the content on this channel. So when I say "we" it's our collective opinions of the things we've tested and discussed beforehand.
Bro how tall are you? That helmet looks massive on you!🤣
Lol 5'5" but I also have a big head hah, XL helmet
@@RunPlayBack I think it looks pretty normal. My dirt bike helmet is a xxxl😆
I'm thinking Sur-ron or Onyx.
Depends on the kind of riding you like to do. Offroad and stunts, definitely the Surron. Onyx if you mainly do street riding and cruising.
Bro I'm like the light adult riding a sur ron I'm 130 lbs
Me too!
bruh i am 5'5 and i am scared i am not tall enough pls help me
I'm the same height. You'll be fine!
Out here in los Angeles ca. Everybody that has one of this bikes is driving them like irresponsible idiots which is what will eventually get them banned completely, unfortunately.
Yeah I can see that. I'd say here in Michigan, most of us are pretty respectful. But it's also way less dense and less traffic.
I'm trying to get one on a payment plan lol willing to pay 200 a week someone help me get my dream bike 🏍
I have been looking at these but for the price why would you not want a Honda CRF250L? More power never run out of charge, faster, legal on the street and can actually do the dirt better. When they crack down you're going to be screwed on the streets. Most cities thousand-watt maximum and 20 miles an hour.
Great points! It's more just preference than price in this case. And in my city, it's not an issue regarding limits. If you prefer the Honda CRF250L that's cool too.
Why you can finance a big house and a expensive car but not a damn electric bike.??
Well you can with things like Klarna but we usually try to save up and pay cash.
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TLDR: I'm super short, but you may not be.
You're right.
It is a nice bike there are better ones out there for the price I think it's too expensive.….... Most of them are,, your better off building your own.
That's a good point. I thought of building my own, but preferred to get something that has a big community.
My name is my name is Shirley Brown so I need a serana top speed so I need one still need a bike yeah when I use battery I need one so I like to know you press who I'm still so what is the price one Serena yeah
How tall are you dude lol
5'5"
19" wheels ?? wtf
Too big, too small? Elaborate
I have like 6 of those bikes there ok 👍🏻
For the asking price, just get a real dirt bike, much more reliable and you don’t have to worry about replacing the batteries when it no longer is taking a charge
Wow, it's really noisy!
Compared to a hub motor yeah. But there's things that you can adjust that change the noise levels like tire tread, sprocket, chain etc.
Sounds kinda noisey
It’s the cost of a mid drive motor with a secondary chain. There is an option to change to belt drive which basically makes it silent.
@@RunPlayBack Man, you got me interested in all these bikes. Now I caan't decide if I should go RCR or Sur Ron...I know they are really for differn't styles of riding. But, I like to do both styles.
"the reality is, unless you're doing something really dumb, or putting others in danger . . . " COUGH, COUGH, ̶S̶u̶r̶ ̶R̶o̶n̶s̶t̶e̶r̶, COUGH, COUGH.
I would love to know and see the story of how you eventually make this bike legal. Please make a new video for that
We will definitely do that once we figure it out!
If you are in NYC, just add the pedal kit and you are good to go. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
@@MARKLINMAN1 is this available in nyc?
The Talaria Sting is better.
Care to elaborate?
@@RunPlayBack it's quieter. It's a little bigger and heavier. Better battery. Better looking. No stupid broken belt to deal with on the regular. I could go on and on.
@@KillabeeTsting9erGurl Makes sense. However, this video was out way before the Talaria launched.
@@RunPlayBack ok. You got that. But now you know. Knowledge is power
How tall are you? Trying to compare to my height
About 5’5