People ALWAYS forget the divine protection glyph that makes it 40% reduced magic damage instead of 20% all damage. I used that on many fights and it helped so much to with solo tank cheese strats.
I raid tanked with every plate class during Cata, and Blood is particularly OP if you know what you’re doing. Paladin is pretty strong, though not on the level it was during WotLK, and Warrior is definitely the weakest of the three, though still perfectly viable. I dungeon tanked as a Druid, and they’re pretty strong too, especially since they have the best damage as an OT.
...I'm pretty sure I saw a video of a Bear MT telling the DK OT to "STOP TAUNTING": But the DK wasn't "taunting" at all: His threat moves were just off-the-charts !!!
I think people dont realize how broken BDK is. If BDK is S tier every other tank is C tier and prot warrior D tier. There are many many many bosses that can be solo tanked only by BDK. Few bosses first tier and litteraly all of Firelands (even the spider boss with some cheesing)
Hey man, nice videos - keep it up! Small note; Vengeance caps at a number equal to Stamina plus 10% of base health, which is lower than 10% of health. The tooltip can be misleading and was written that way to keep it simple. There exists a bluepost from 2011 when searching for "wow cataclysm vengeance calculation".
amazing to me that basically every content creator is giving druid best OT over warrior, seems none of them are considering the amazing utility of the intervene talent, basically give the MT a mini pain supression every 30 seconds. Combined with things like vigilance giving you instant taunt CD on spider boss among others warrior provides a ton of unique ways to deal with mechanics as the offtank.
Still realt hoping they end up doing at least SOME tuning for the less desireable classes. Ill struggle through cata as a prot warrior if i have to, but id rather be at least closer to the others. Im not independant enough for DK and my brain doesnt process enough information quickly for all the utility of pally. ONLY ZUG!
paladin with glyph of daze for avenger's shield is what makes them superior. Can slow 3 mobs as your team finishes them off while you run to the next pack.
I main prot warrior currently and just recently started tanking 5 man heroics. in some heroics i feel pretty damn tanky, in others it can get pretty sketchy staying up. i've commited to gearing as prot though and even crafted myself the epic tank shield with blacksmithing! It's been a lot of fun though
Huge problem with magic dealers, massive damage if you stand in stuff that we can't negate. But tanking usually takes knowledge over classes but sometimes you just can't tank it like bdk
Fairly accurate but you'd have to argue that Feral tank is the clear winner for it's off DPS capabilities and doesn't lack too much survival that its a problem, DK is definitely the lone S tier, Druid A, Pala B, prot pala is just a bit too mid and underwhelming, Warriors C tier they're definitely the weakest of the bunch but if played well they're viable.
some of the biggest numbers are going to be druid and warrior as far as damage is concerned. Especially on multi target fights. Druid berserk spam not only can make you top damage meters on fights with 2-3 enemies for how strong it is, the nature of how 'savage defense' works gives you extra chances to proc it so you're almost always with that shield up The problem with warrior is that their lacking defensive utility and their mastery in this expansion is almost useless.
If DK is the best, then why there was a consensus in the US forum that he was too weak 10 years ago? And why the DK received a buff? => The 6 % damage reduction when the blood runes are on cooldown became a passive talent.
@@Riyaniwow Yes, but even with that buff the DK is not the best one. Remember: DK got an increase of armorbonus from 30 to 55 % in blood presence while the bear raised from 60 to 120 %! Also their endurance bonus raised from 10 to 20 %.
Although the commentary is nice, I found it difficult to actually watch though? What was with that ADHD screen movements throughout? And then you sped it up effectively creating a seizure inducing amount of screen wobbling? Please have more pleasing visuals, because the information you provide is actually valuable.
Thanks for the feedback! This was one of the first videos I made and if I would’ve remade the video, there would’ve been a lot of things I would’ve changed. Learning a lot and hopefully it translates to future videos.
Pretty much -- OT will depend on fight. Want extra dps + movement? Druid. Want extra defensives and utility for the raid + strong personal defensives to offload MT? Paladin. Overall my go-to recommendation would be DK MT and Druid OT, especially for 10m raiding.
Been leveling my dk in preparation for Cata. Blood tanking is hella fun. Who needs a healer when youve got a BDk. I kinda hope they tune warriors and pallys up tho just because i feel bad for people playing them 😂
This is further expanded upon when you remember there was a group of 25 blood dks doing dragon soul heroic and actually killing bosses. Video is still on youtube if u wanna see for yourself.
it doesnt matter how good a class is in the teir list if the person playing them cant play the class efficiently. everything looks so good on paper until its put into action and you realize your super S tier tank in your raid group sucks.
Idk man, the raids and dungeons are infinitely better than wrath and we're back to the old world, though changed of course. To me cata is closer to vanilla than wrath is.
I do remember blood dk's being absolutely insane. I'd also like to say I am excited for Cata but it's definitely a different game than the first 3 versions of the game. I wish we would've gotten an Era version for BC and Wrath, thousands of us still want it and are all over the forums. It's not too late, if you want an Era BC or Wrath server let your voice be heard! All in all I am still excited for Cata and would love an Era version for Cata as well, after that MoP had it's greatness in PvP but I didn't enjoy the xpac. at all. It would be fine with me to stop after Cata imo.
Best or most fun? All healers are really good, kinda hard to actually make a list for them. My list for most fun to least fun would be: Druid, then tied for second is disc(atonement) priest and shaman, holy priest and non atonement disc being 3rd with pally being the least fun. At least for me personally. Leveled all healers up and did a couple firelands with each on a private server.
@@Riyaniwow really liked the video by the way. Just salty about how blizzard just has to intentionally fuck up every game. Also figured I would comment and like for the sake of engagement.
Bro ✋ some people have to work 12 hrs and have 5 kids. I don’t have time to grind gold, I spend every day i work either working or sleeping. If I want to compete I need to use my hard earned money to play. If you can play 8+hrs a day and don’t have to work 10-12 then kudos to you. However not everyone can be a stay at home dad or a 30 yo virgin in their parents house.
Really? Feral has like 2 buttons when tanking? DK has a lot of stuff going on and does some of the best damage of all tanks. I was playing on a private server for 8 months and DK is by far the most fun of all tanks(played every tank and healer up to firelands). Pallys are the most boring tanks and healers.
The game is great, it's the player who ruin it. The whole, come join our guild, and help us level up to raids. Then you get the message, sorry we've brought in others from a different guild to help "us" level. You're not invited, even though you were our second tank for like... ever.
@@Variia You might want to check out The Ðreamcatchers Kazzak EU from 2009 to 2015 , I was Warr MT and my best friend was Paladin OT. Hurts when you are wrong does it not
Just because every tank can clear content doesn't mean their performance is the same. DK is the best tank by far in cata, and warrior is the worst. It's not up for debate.
@@Mediiiicc clearly you are deluded, i can assure you A dk wont handle halfuss on 25hc with the whelps AT the same time 100%. Nothing to do with a possability, they wont hold aggro on whelps and boss.
Allegedly blizzard has stated that, if there was ever enough lashback and desire for a wrath Era server, they have a plenty of resources to do so. With the infrastructure they have, releasing old content over again is nearly zero cost. This has already been addressed according to the buzzings I've heard around discussion posts. Something that boils down to "we already did this, we have the backups, and you idiots keep paying for something that doesn't cost us a penny to maintain indefinitely"- my own words
People ALWAYS forget the divine protection glyph that makes it 40% reduced magic damage instead of 20% all damage.
I used that on many fights and it helped so much to with solo tank cheese strats.
Keep the Cata vids cranking!
Cataclysm hype
Any way we can get a Wotlk ui guide?@@Riyaniwow
@@Strongo-o5p I have some opinions on UIs, sure-- will get to it at some point :)
I raid tanked with every plate class during Cata, and Blood is particularly OP if you know what you’re doing. Paladin is pretty strong, though not on the level it was during WotLK, and Warrior is definitely the weakest of the three, though still perfectly viable. I dungeon tanked as a Druid, and they’re pretty strong too, especially since they have the best damage as an OT.
You don’t really have to even know what you’re doing.
...I'm pretty sure I saw a video of a Bear MT telling the DK OT to "STOP TAUNTING": But the DK wasn't "taunting" at all: His threat moves were just off-the-charts !!!
I think people dont realize how broken BDK is. If BDK is S tier every other tank is C tier and prot warrior D tier. There are many many many bosses that can be solo tanked only by BDK. Few bosses first tier and litteraly all of Firelands (even the spider boss with some cheesing)
This
Thunder clap and demo shout are still 2 best debuffs in pve that warrior have. Shockwave too
@@GamingDualitiesya but BDK is strong through every phase.
@@GamingDualities everyone and their mom gives these debuffs
I cleared all the heroic raids as a prot warr just fine in og cata idk why people act like these tier lists are viability lists.
Hey man, nice videos - keep it up! Small note; Vengeance caps at a number equal to Stamina plus 10% of base health, which is lower than 10% of health. The tooltip can be misleading and was written that way to keep it simple. There exists a bluepost from 2011 when searching for "wow cataclysm vengeance calculation".
Thanks bud! Yeeeeaah good ol' tooltip letting us down on that one, haha.
Surely "dead on arrival" is a bit of a stretch right? I do agree with weakest in terms of mitigation but surely viable
A bit hyperbolic- initially made these to be focused at the high end of raiding. But yeah, you can definitely clear the content as any tank.
amazing to me that basically every content creator is giving druid best OT over warrior, seems none of them are considering the amazing utility of the intervene talent, basically give the MT a mini pain supression every 30 seconds. Combined with things like vigilance giving you instant taunt CD on spider boss among others warrior provides a ton of unique ways to deal with mechanics as the offtank.
Still realt hoping they end up doing at least SOME tuning for the less desireable classes. Ill struggle through cata as a prot warrior if i have to, but id rather be at least closer to the others. Im not independant enough for DK and my brain doesnt process enough information quickly for all the utility of pally. ONLY ZUG!
Me warrior, me smash
I've been a prot warrior since 2003
And I’ll be one till 3003, tier lists be damned… I will conquer Cata
My guild doesnt really care about what's best, we just play what we like. Playing a Prot Pally, myself :D
Chad
How it should be!
paladin with glyph of daze for avenger's shield is what makes them superior. Can slow 3 mobs as your team finishes them off while you run to the next pack.
I main prot warrior currently and just recently started tanking 5 man heroics. in some heroics i feel pretty damn tanky, in others it can get pretty sketchy staying up. i've commited to gearing as prot though and even crafted myself the epic tank shield with blacksmithing! It's been a lot of fun though
Playing prot warrior as an alt as well- enjoying it a lot
Huge problem with magic dealers, massive damage if you stand in stuff that we can't negate. But tanking usually takes knowledge over classes but sometimes you just can't tank it like bdk
I’ve been running a lot more arms warrior now. Haven’t touched prot in probably over a week and a half now
@@IsaacFNghost What do you enjoy more :D ?
Fairly accurate but you'd have to argue that Feral tank is the clear winner for it's off DPS capabilities and doesn't lack too much survival that its a problem, DK is definitely the lone S tier, Druid A, Pala B, prot pala is just a bit too mid and underwhelming, Warriors C tier they're definitely the weakest of the bunch but if played well they're viable.
Yep, this is my current view of the tanks.
I know it might sound weird. But i like to solo content as tank, so i need big numbers. On WOTLK Prot Pal was king, what about Cata?
some of the biggest numbers are going to be druid and warrior as far as damage is concerned. Especially on multi target fights. Druid berserk spam not only can make you top damage meters on fights with 2-3 enemies for how strong it is, the nature of how 'savage defense' works gives you extra chances to proc it so you're almost always with that shield up
The problem with warrior is that their lacking defensive utility and their mastery in this expansion is almost useless.
DKs are still the biggest pumpers. On most fights you're beating DPS on the meters, not to mention the self sustain.
If DK is the best, then why there was a consensus in the US forum that he was too weak 10 years ago? And why the DK received a buff? => The 6 % damage reduction when the blood runes are on cooldown became a passive talent.
Because we're playing on 4.3.4 tuning; they were not that strong in OG cata
@@Riyaniwow Yes, but even with that buff the DK is not the best one. Remember: DK got an increase of armorbonus from 30 to 55 % in blood presence while the bear raised from 60 to 120 %! Also their endurance bonus raised from 10 to 20 %.
@@csac1979 I mean, Cata is live now, we don't have to guess-- DK is by far the best main tank.
@@Riyaniwow Prove it! The blood shield has a great problem: Damage peaks are possibe which you dont survive if you have no shield active!
Any chance u can make a video like this for the healers? :)
Yes! On vacation at the moment but this one is in the pipeline ☺️
@@RiyaniwowGreat to hear, take your time and relax tho!
@@RiyaniwowStill planning on making that healer guide for Classic Cata? XD
@@skaldtoast7747 Yep! Coming out hopefully tomorrow, maybe friday.
Is feral Druid’s gonna be the best option for off tanking ?
For most people, yes! :)
druid also has tranq + innervate as utility.
tranq is limited value, but innervate is good stuff for sure
@@Riyaniwow fair enough, tranq doesnt increase healing taken like priest hymn does it ?
@@hiddenname7210 Na it's just raw healing
@@Riyaniwow tranq now heals for a lot, even on a feral, and it's raid (was party), it's a legit healing rotation spell
Although the commentary is nice, I found it difficult to actually watch though? What was with that ADHD screen movements throughout? And then you sped it up effectively creating a seizure inducing amount of screen wobbling? Please have more pleasing visuals, because the information you provide is actually valuable.
Thanks for the feedback! This was one of the first videos I made and if I would’ve remade the video, there would’ve been a lot of things I would’ve changed. Learning a lot and hopefully it translates to future videos.
@@Riyaniwow Cheers Riyani.
My new favo classic content maker! Currently leveling a blood DK so I’m super excited. Just need to level to 80 and then start making some real Gold 😂
That's very kind ❤ And welcome over to the true hero class!
@@Riyaniwow tyvm! Not sure if I’m going to raid I’m mostly a farm/profession person 😊
do you do something like that for dds too?
Healer next, but melee + ranged coming
Everyone will be playing blood dk because it simply out performs everyone by miles. feral is nice for off-tanking :)
Yep, hard time seeing any other outcome even if they change mastery values for block tanks.
They should release the game as it was back in 4.0 :)
I dunno, balancing was a little off then too, haha. If anything, 4.3.4 balancing but mastery adjusted to follow patch cycles.
Blood DK S Tier MT, Feral Druid S Tier OT, Paladin A, Warrior B that is what I remember
Pretty much -- OT will depend on fight. Want extra dps + movement? Druid. Want extra defensives and utility for the raid + strong personal defensives to offload MT? Paladin.
Overall my go-to recommendation would be DK MT and Druid OT, especially for 10m raiding.
Been leveling my dk in preparation for Cata. Blood tanking is hella fun. Who needs a healer when youve got a BDk.
I kinda hope they tune warriors and pallys up tho just because i feel bad for people playing them 😂
Why ask for heals when you can become the healer.
This is further expanded upon when you remember there was a group of 25 blood dks doing dragon soul heroic and actually killing bosses. Video is still on youtube if u wanna see for yourself.
You say to abandon my warry?😢
Only if you’re doing too end progression, otherwise, na- you’ll be just fine!
If less people have an raid wide DR, it becomes better, not worse.
_sad warrior noises_
At least you have heroic leap
Warriors and dk eventually overtake druid and pally by a landslide, so just wait it out for a bit and keep zug zug up lol.
it doesnt matter how good a class is in the teir list if the person playing them cant play the class efficiently. everything looks so good on paper until its put into action and you realize your super S tier tank in your raid group sucks.
There'll definitely be quite a few flavor-of-the-month blood DKs dying like flies because they don't know how to utilize their skillset for sure.
Personally, I still think warriors are the most fun to play :)
Playing the game for fun seems so 2005
@@Riyaniwowwrong lol, playing thea brain dead spec like bdk just because ViAbLe makes you a total idiot
gives this guy a sub
I really hope it doesnt for those that are interested - but I think this is going t tank big time and will be shocked if it doesn't
I would have stated this before SOD - however SOD has been so amazing I can not see this competing at all
Cata has amazing raiding, so I think it'll become a raidlogging expansion very quickly.
Idk man, the raids and dungeons are infinitely better than wrath and we're back to the old world, though changed of course. To me cata is closer to vanilla than wrath is.
Druid / DK / paladin these 3 are god tier but Warrior is not that good in cataclysm first 2 tiers :D
I do remember blood dk's being absolutely insane. I'd also like to say I am excited for Cata but it's definitely a different game than the first 3 versions of the game. I wish we would've gotten an Era version for BC and Wrath, thousands of us still want it and are all over the forums. It's not too late, if you want an Era BC or Wrath server let your voice be heard! All in all I am still excited for Cata and would love an Era version for Cata as well, after that MoP had it's greatness in PvP but I didn't enjoy the xpac. at all. It would be fine with me to stop after Cata imo.
TLDR: Paladin mains, level a DK now, you won't regret it.
Poor prot warrs in the C tier when nobody is even in the B tier. Prot wars really got it dirty for the majority of WoW's lifespan
they were literally the only tank in the early days of wow
@@nymez6968 early days does not equal to the majority of WoW's lifespan :)
Blood DK= best dps/best tank/best healer.
unironically
best healer rank
Best or most fun? All healers are really good, kinda hard to actually make a list for them. My list for most fun to least fun would be:
Druid, then tied for second is disc(atonement) priest and shaman, holy priest and non atonement disc being 3rd with pally being the least fun. At least for me personally. Leveled all healers up and did a couple firelands with each on a private server.
Paladin and DIsc priest top healers at all phases
Will definitely be making a video on healer ranking along with commentary before release!
bear > bdk > ppal > war
BDK main tank, feral OT > ppal/pwar
I wont be playing Cataclysm unless wow tokens are removed. And since bliz will definitely not do that, I'll definitely not be playing.
Yeah, a bit sadge about the wow token. Not like the classic economy isn't already fked by 3rd party gold-buying and GDKPs, though.
@@Riyaniwow really liked the video by the way. Just salty about how blizzard just has to intentionally fuck up every game. Also figured I would comment and like for the sake of engagement.
@@TanToRza Thanks bud, I'm with you on the tokens, no question about that, haha!
And of course, hehe, keep it up
so you're crying about mega expensive wow tokens... wait till you learn about the black market that existed before tokens.
Bro ✋ some people have to work 12 hrs and have 5 kids. I don’t have time to grind gold, I spend every day i work either working or sleeping. If I want to compete I need to use my hard earned money to play. If you can play 8+hrs a day and don’t have to work 10-12 then kudos to you. However not everyone can be a stay at home dad or a 30 yo virgin in their parents house.
People sleeping on prot warrior
Good thing I have a dk, pally and Druid tank 😂
You're set
Yep only those 3 you need for cataclysm classic
Warrior tank is lacking a lot in that expansion
but ARMS is godtier so at least one of 3 specs is good
@@lukeluckynblue1873 I have a arcane and fire mage also, but I prefer to tank
Warrior car stop 60%damage on shild if hé as critiques Block sorry but for me it,s op
S: DK
A: Druid
B: Paladin
C: Warrior
it's a shame that blood is so boring
I thought so too for the longest time, but idk, started really liking the control and flexibility they have.
Really? Feral has like 2 buttons when tanking? DK has a lot of stuff going on and does some of the best damage of all tanks.
I was playing on a private server for 8 months and DK is by far the most fun of all tanks(played every tank and healer up to firelands). Pallys are the most boring tanks and healers.
I mean dk feels okay until you have to tank more than one mob@@ahetzel9054
lol, 'druids have little damage reduction' okay.
For pure utility and ass saving moments I would place Pally over DK's there will be more bad DK tanks than Pally Tanks
Guy didn't mention lay on hands .... lolol
The game is great, it's the player who ruin it. The whole, come join our guild, and help us level up to raids. Then you get the message, sorry we've brought in others from a different guild to help "us" level. You're not invited, even though you were our second tank for like... ever.
BDK > feral > prot pala > prot warr...but for HC raids dont take warr and pala during progress, useless...
TURN DOWN THE BASS ON YOUR MIC
Awh we must have failed in og cata with warr mt and 2 pala ot, you are just as clueless as the other streamers
Stop sniffing glue
@@Variia You might want to check out The Ðreamcatchers Kazzak EU from 2009 to 2015 , I was Warr MT and my best friend was Paladin OT. Hurts when you are wrong does it not
Just because every tank can clear content doesn't mean their performance is the same. DK is the best tank by far in cata, and warrior is the worst. It's not up for debate.
@@Mediiiicc clearly you are deluded, i can assure you A dk wont handle halfuss on 25hc with the whelps AT the same time 100%. Nothing to do with a possability, they wont hold aggro on whelps and boss.
@Kenjo626 it will be patch 4.3 so yeah they will hold threat just fine
Yo, im not interested in those tank shit videos !
CASTERS FTW
Closest I come to being a caster is using avenger’s shield
wtf is wrong with u
Cata is a just waste of blizzards resources and money
Retail*
Allegedly blizzard has stated that, if there was ever enough lashback and desire for a wrath Era server, they have a plenty of resources to do so. With the infrastructure they have, releasing old content over again is nearly zero cost. This has already been addressed according to the buzzings I've heard around discussion posts. Something that boils down to "we already did this, we have the backups, and you idiots keep paying for something that doesn't cost us a penny to maintain indefinitely"- my own words
@@calebsmith1926 but we don't pay for this as for new expancion. Subscription only, isn't ? And servers have a cost.