That's incorrect his and mine where straight out the package 1st fill up butane goes everywhere I actually had to play with it until I hit a sweetspot where I saw the gas go in slowly drop by drop that's the best I was able to get it and I'm no novice. Today it's time for partial fillup 2 let's see how that goes.
If you light a cigar with a Zippo don't put the flame on the cigar, hover the cigar about half an inch above the Zippo flame and you won't get any of the fuel taste. Same goes with cigarettes, joints, blunts whatever you are smoking;)
I have used both. The Thunderbird gave me about 6 months service before it failed to light, even though full. The Z-pipe lighter has been in constant use for years, and has yet to fail me. The Z-pipe version is a soft flame, but comes out from the side instead of the top. This is designed to light a pipe as opposed to a cigar. But I've lit many, many cigars with the soft lighter. Got rid of my Zippo liquid fuels long ago and never looked back. BTW, the Z-Pipe version is clear so you can see all the 'fluid' inside. I strongly recommend the Z-Pipe (not Z-Plus) version.
Thanks for the great video. Can I suggest that you look carefully at the design of your VS Plus jet flame insert. The chimney seems to emulate that of the Ronson flip top lighter which has a slightly bigger case. This would explain why your insert had difficulties when you tried to force it into the smaller sized Zippo case. They make another version which has a chimney in the style of a Zippo, although the holes are fake and are simply markings in the casting. There's a good chance that this type would fit into a Zippo case beautifully.... I'm going to get myself the Thunderbird soft flame insert for two reasons.... One- I bet it uses less gas than the jet flame, therefore lasts longer on one refill . Two- It looks more like the original Zippo with this flint system of ignition. Let's face it, most smokers have been let down by electronic ignition lighters at some stage, they aren't reliable or long lasting and they can't be repaired.
i have the zplus soft flame flint striker zippo insert,, it fits and looks just like a regular zippo insert ,, no problem filling it ,, or otherwise ( so far ) and you can tell it needs refilled as the flame starts to burn lower but will still ignite for a day or two after that ,, the only problem is i am going to have to get another one for my backup lighter as well now
The Thunderbird line is made by Vector, one of the best butane lighter manufactures. They also have jet models with one or two jets, probably a better bet for a jet type. The soft flame Thunderbird looks great, I expect I'll get one soon, I already have a Vector jet on my Desk.
If you're concerned about the taste imparted by your flame, a wooden match is going to give the best result. Butane will give a hotter flame, more stable outdoors (where most people smoke these days), and more direct, but it also has an off-flavor if held too close. A zippo with ordinary fuel is fine for cigarettes (which start fast and don't need to roast), but they don't work well for pipes because you end up having to pull unburnt fuel vapor into the bowl as you start your coal. Zippos can work for cigars, but you must not apply the flame to the cigar --- holding the cigar tip slightly above the visible flame is the only way to avoid fumes, and it's not workable outside. As odd as it may be, a wooden match is actually the best way to light anything you plan to smoke for flavor... it's going to be the hottest, gentlest and most controllable flame and will only offer the most modest cellulose soot, which is essentially flavorless. You can only get the same level of flavorlessness and heat out of beeswax punk (a very thin (lollypop stick?) beeswax candle), but that's bulky and awkward to carry. (Nobody carts a tinderbox around, for good reason.) Matches. Smoke with wooden matches. We need to support match-makers, anyway. My. $.02. Worth nothing, really. Do what you want. Even though I have a zippo in my pocket every day I'll also always carry a box of wooden matches for anything tasty or flavorful that I want to smoke.
Always light a cigar with a stick match or candle, IMO. How long does the insert last per-fill ... ? File down the plastic so it fits gooder... lol & I'm not a big fan of using plastic for the environment.
It seems like any torch butane insert I encounter has problems with air in the line. I recently bought a zippo brand single torch insert, and no matter how many times I purged it and refilled it, it consistently would go back to sputtering out like the Z plus does in this video. I'm thinking about getting a thunderbird soft flame :^), I hope I'm not disappointed.
That was always one of the problems with butane lighters the backspray when you refill them you always lost a certain amount of the gas by the combination of the size or the refill valve and size of filling tube on the butane can
I just wish the metal/coating (whatever they used) on the t-bird looked real. It looks like cheap chrome rims. I would definitely buy one if they improved the metal. Let's be honest nobody watching this NEEDS a zippo we're all here because zippos are aesthetically pleasing. A bic or any other lighter with a flint wheel and butane will work fine.
I had issues with filling my zplus tooo that's why I'm here now. It's leaks all over my hands and everywhere. I recently had this new butane which had plastic adapters built into the top you could pop out first time I saw something like that. But In wondering if indeed the zplus may need one of those adapters? Idk I prefer torch bit with the same issues u had I'm gonna get that thunderbird I didn't even know that existed and I was indeed wondering how the it lights so thanks for showing us inquisitors lol. Ps I've had Many torchs but this is my first(long awaited) where the flames arc together its brilliant.
My question is simple, which has the longest burn time and or is best for lighting a campfire? I don't smoke you see but i keep a zippo fueled and with me for emergencies. But the evaporation is annoying and only serves to make it iffy at best for this purpose, but i love the zippo case and want to keep it.
The Commenter torch style is the way to go. I go camping too and things get windy. That being said your kindling has to be on point if you wanna save butane.
Z-Plus butane ones, or the turbo type always eat through the coil and end up fked. I like them, but no longevity. Will have to be the thunderbird therefore
i have the zplus soft flame flint striker zippo insert,, it fits perfectly and looks just like a regular zippo insert ,, no problem filling it ,, or otherwise ( so far ) and you can tell it needs refilled as the flame starts to burn lower but will still ignite for a day or two after that ,, the only problem is i am going to have to get another one for my backup lighter as well now
@@roostero i had a thunderbird (soft flame) and the lever went within 2 months, i then bought two z-plus (soft flame) and i have had them years with no problems.
Dude my Z-plus is hit 'n' miss on the refill spray. I feel lucky that I've not blown out the O-ring because of how I hammer down a full 5 seconds sometimes when it stops over spraying on my hand. I fact my only complaint other than that is that there's not a fuel gauge window. Oh, and also my Z-plus demands to be no less than 1/2 flame adjustment, for even a 1/2 millimeter to the less and it's dead. That said I swear by my "Z-plus!" because it seems to go for 2 1/2 - 3 weeks on my 1 1/2 pack of ciggies a day. The only time my Z-plus went dead I brought it back to life by intermittently vacuuming it and spraying both the flame nozzle and butane fill port with keyboard duster.
Did you vent out the residual gas before refilling? I used to have a hit or miss chance when refilling my thunder bird inserts until i started pressing down the fill nozzle on the insert until all the gas has vented out, then refilling.
No I haven't. I was afraid I'd create a vapor lock or ruin the intake. I'll keep that in mind. Meanwhile I tried what you said on a old Zippo butane candle lighter and it didn't work-- it vented and there's still an electronic spark but it's dead :-( And the keyboard duster didn't help either.
I don't smoke ,but I do use lighter for heating heat shrink tubeing ,candle rarely ,someone should compile a list of lighters other use for us non smokers .
Highly compressed gas can turn into liquid in many situations. You can see it by clear disposable butain lighters have liquid form gas inside, or hearing liquid noise when you give shakes to butain gas canisters.
You couldn't fill the torch insert because it was full & the flame adjustment was turned down too low to light. The soft flame filled easily because you had the cam open the entire video & leaked fuel the whole time so the insert was always empty. It's absurd because you even mentioned your mistake halfway through your video but for some bizarre reason continued to keep the cam open & waste fuel the entire time.
Janne Heino theoretically any gas will become liquid under enough pressure. Regardless, liquids and gassed are both fluids, so when you said “butane is not a lighter fluid” you weren’t correct. That’s my point.
@@benyusuf6873 so zippo lighter fluid bottles say lighter liquid and butane bottles say lighter liquid. This was not a chemistry class, this is what People call these things when they talk about them. You fill your zippo with lighter fluid and butane lighter with a gas
LMFAO you amatuer. It spirting out because the nozzle on the butane can is to big for the Zplus. You need to use those little adapters that come with butane cans to find the right size so itll fit into the refill port on the Zplus. I had the EXACT same problem with my colibri lighter, which i was using Xikar butane. Then i used the correct adapt and it filled up just fine.... I saw the fill ports on both inserts and it seems like the Thunderbird was much bigger.
I mean i'm just nitpicking here but jesus christ you need to work on your grammar. If you want to present a point and sound even remotely intelligent, you need to have good grammar. You, my good sir, do not.
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The reason there was trouble filling was because it was full.
Was ganna say the same thing
That's incorrect his and mine where straight out the package 1st fill up butane goes everywhere I actually had to play with it until I hit a sweetspot where I saw the gas go in slowly drop by drop that's the best I was able to get it and I'm no novice. Today it's time for partial fillup 2 let's see how that goes.
If you light a cigar with a Zippo don't put the flame on the cigar, hover the cigar about half an inch above the Zippo flame and you won't get any of the fuel taste. Same goes with cigarettes, joints, blunts whatever you are smoking;)
Thx i call it toasting
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Except for bong hits, you cant take bong hits with a zippo, worst experience
Right bcuz at that point fuel is spent, also zippo brand fluid burns clean doesn't leave oil taste in cigarettes
If fluid is leaking out of your lighter and into your pocket that means you overfilled your lighter completely.
Lol yeah I was like who tf just filla it that much😂😂😂🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
This guy really just trynna justify these inserts. Waaaack
Right? I don't think I've ever had a pocket full of lighter fluid.
I have used both. The Thunderbird gave me about 6 months service before it failed to light, even though full. The Z-pipe lighter has been in constant use for years, and has yet to fail me. The Z-pipe version is a soft flame, but comes out from the side instead of the top. This is designed to light a pipe as opposed to a cigar. But I've lit many, many cigars with the soft lighter. Got rid of my Zippo liquid fuels long ago and never looked back. BTW, the Z-Pipe version is clear so you can see all the 'fluid' inside. I strongly recommend the Z-Pipe (not Z-Plus) version.
Thanks for the great video.
Can I suggest that you look carefully at the design of your VS Plus jet flame insert. The chimney seems to emulate that of the Ronson flip top lighter which has a slightly bigger case. This would explain why your insert had difficulties when you tried to force it into the smaller sized Zippo case.
They make another version which has a chimney in the style of a Zippo, although the holes are fake and are simply markings in the casting. There's a good chance that this type would fit into a Zippo case beautifully.... I'm going to get myself the Thunderbird soft flame insert for two reasons....
One- I bet it uses less gas than the jet flame, therefore lasts longer on one refill .
Two- It looks more like the original Zippo with this flint system of ignition.
Let's face it, most smokers have been let down by electronic ignition lighters at some stage, they aren't reliable or long lasting and they can't be repaired.
i have the zplus soft flame flint striker zippo insert,, it fits and looks just like a regular zippo insert ,, no problem filling it ,, or otherwise ( so far ) and you can tell it needs refilled as the flame starts to burn lower but will still ignite for a day or two after that ,, the only problem is i am going to have to get another one for my backup lighter as well now
The Thunderbird line is made by Vector, one of the best butane lighter manufactures. They also have jet models with one or two jets, probably a better bet for a jet type. The soft flame Thunderbird looks great, I expect I'll get one soon, I already have a Vector jet on my Desk.
It would be nice if it came in Brass.
I love the smell of zippo fluid myself that's why I use one.
That petroleum smell is so badass
If you're concerned about the taste imparted by your flame, a wooden match is going to give the best result.
Butane will give a hotter flame, more stable outdoors (where most people smoke these days), and more direct, but it also has an off-flavor if held too close. A zippo with ordinary fuel is fine for cigarettes (which start fast and don't need to roast), but they don't work well for pipes because you end up having to pull unburnt fuel vapor into the bowl as you start your coal. Zippos can work for cigars, but you must not apply the flame to the cigar --- holding the cigar tip slightly above the visible flame is the only way to avoid fumes, and it's not workable outside.
As odd as it may be, a wooden match is actually the best way to light anything you plan to smoke for flavor... it's going to be the hottest, gentlest and most controllable flame and will only offer the most modest cellulose soot, which is essentially flavorless. You can only get the same level of flavorlessness and heat out of beeswax punk (a very thin (lollypop stick?) beeswax candle), but that's bulky and awkward to carry. (Nobody carts a tinderbox around, for good reason.)
Matches. Smoke with wooden matches. We need to support match-makers, anyway.
My. $.02. Worth nothing, really. Do what you want. Even though I have a zippo in my pocket every day I'll also always carry a box of wooden matches for anything tasty or flavorful that I want to smoke.
I bought one of the torch flame inserts for my Zippo over ten yrs ago...I wasn't happy with it.
I do like the Thunderbird much better.
you have to empty zplus before you refill it helps alot
This is best viewed at X2 speed, unless you have a lot of time on your hands.
Always light a cigar with a stick match or candle, IMO.
How long does the insert last per-fill ... ?
File down the plastic so it fits gooder... lol & I'm not a big fan of using plastic for the environment.
It seems like any torch butane insert I encounter has problems with air in the line. I recently bought a zippo brand single torch insert, and no matter how many times I purged it and refilled it, it consistently would go back to sputtering out like the Z plus does in this video. I'm thinking about getting a thunderbird soft flame :^), I hope I'm not disappointed.
Perfect video answered probably everything I could've asked. Thank you for making this made my day :)
I was laughing while watching this. Since I knew you had the gas flowing haha. Good vid though.
Richard Golias dude same I was looking at it and like: does he know he's breathing gas ALL this time
I got REALLY nervous about that...
@@TOAD_BOI can you explain
@@Ale-cf1ff Watch the video. It's explained from about the 7:00 min mark until about 8:15.
That was always one of the problems with butane lighters the backspray when you refill them you always lost a certain amount of the gas by the combination of the size or the refill valve and size of filling tube on the butane can
You have to allow the air to escape. Up side down depress the button, make sure there is no active flame.
I just wish the metal/coating (whatever they used) on the t-bird looked real. It looks like cheap chrome rims. I would definitely buy one if they improved the metal. Let's be honest nobody watching this NEEDS a zippo we're all here because zippos are aesthetically pleasing. A bic or any other lighter with a flint wheel and butane will work fine.
Exactly why I have one
No it's in all the way it just has that lip to help stop the lid from bending
Helped me a lot to choose the insert. Thanks!
I use soft flame insert and I'll have a tripe torch sugar lighter with a built in punch on me as well
I had issues with filling my zplus tooo that's why I'm here now. It's leaks all over my hands and everywhere. I recently had this new butane which had plastic adapters built into the top you could pop out first time I saw something like that. But In wondering if indeed the zplus may need one of those adapters? Idk I prefer torch bit with the same issues u had I'm gonna get that thunderbird I didn't even know that existed and I was indeed wondering how the it lights so thanks for showing us inquisitors lol. Ps I've had Many torchs but this is my first(long awaited) where the flames arc together its brilliant.
I use a disposable bic in a zippo type case. Best of both worlds
My question is simple, which has the longest burn time and or is best for lighting a campfire? I don't smoke you see but i keep a zippo fueled and with me for emergencies. But the evaporation is annoying and only serves to make it iffy at best for this purpose, but i love the zippo case and want to keep it.
The Commenter torch style is the way to go. I go camping too and things get windy. That being said your kindling has to be on point if you wanna save butane.
Thunderbird makes blue flame inserts that are excellent in single or double jet models. They are better than the z insert shown in this video.
Damn, you took that insert out enough times in the first 2 minutes. Jeez! Lmao
but u still have that thing open that's why your gas is out
If you really want to not taint cigs and I’ve been told this by my dad and from the movie hellboy is to just use matches they don’t emit a smell
boy you would burn your hand before the cigar lights.. matches burn quickly or you migh get yourself a longer matches sticks not the regular ones.
You need a adapter for the z plus's it's designed for a wider nozzle
But that’s one of the things with a zippo either everyone fixes it in some way or deals with
Should have compared thunderbird torch with the Z plus. Soft flame is different.
1:55 if you use the Zippo lighter fluid or Ronsonol lighter fluid wick are proper destilates it doesn't matter
Yea the Z plus screwed up my case top part. It fits so badly it moved the hinge back.
Z-Plus butane ones, or the turbo type always eat through the coil and end up fked. I like them, but no longevity. Will have to be the thunderbird therefore
I like the T Bird, but I'm concerned about the longevity of that lever that controls the gas valve. Looks kind of flimsy to me.
i have the zplus soft flame flint striker zippo insert,, it fits perfectly and looks just like a regular zippo insert ,, no problem filling it ,, or otherwise ( so far ) and you can tell it needs refilled as the flame starts to burn lower but will still ignite for a day or two after that ,, the only problem is i am going to have to get another one for my backup lighter as well now
@@roostero i had a thunderbird (soft flame) and the lever went within 2 months, i then bought two z-plus (soft flame) and i have had them years with no problems.
Butane is clean burning? Nuts
I had a z plus insert... for a few hours. After that it was in the trash.
If George Blaisdell gets wind of this he'll be turning over in his coffin!
I wonder how they would do in high altitude? The soft flame is really nice
hi, at high altitude jet flame doesn't work well, the best thing is natural flame with flint are much more reliable.
If you just blow it out without shouting the lid or flipping the leaver isn't the fluid still leaking out ?
Am I incorrect in saying I think the "solid brass" zippos are a tighter fit. Maybe the z-plus isn't meant for it...
I like your zippo I hate all of the corny designs nice brushed chrome or brass is the nicest looking
Dude my Z-plus is hit 'n' miss on the refill spray. I feel lucky that I've not blown out the O-ring because of how I hammer down a full 5 seconds sometimes when it stops over spraying on my hand. I fact my only complaint other than that is that there's not a fuel gauge window. Oh, and also my Z-plus demands to be no less than 1/2 flame adjustment, for even a 1/2 millimeter to the less and it's dead.
That said I swear by my "Z-plus!" because it seems to go for 2 1/2 - 3 weeks on my 1 1/2 pack of ciggies a day.
The only time my Z-plus went dead I brought it back to life by intermittently vacuuming it and spraying both the flame nozzle and butane fill port with keyboard duster.
Did you vent out the residual gas before refilling? I used to have a hit or miss chance when refilling my thunder bird inserts until i started pressing down the fill nozzle on the insert until all the gas has vented out, then refilling.
No I haven't. I was afraid I'd create a vapor lock or ruin the intake. I'll keep that in mind.
Meanwhile I tried what you said on a old Zippo butane candle lighter and it didn't work-- it vented and there's still an electronic spark but it's dead :-( And the keyboard duster didn't help either.
I prefer to lit my cigar's with a wooden match much better flavor profile than any lighter can give
Mabey it was already filled up you just needed to adjust the flame
I don't smoke ,but I do use lighter for heating heat shrink tubeing ,candle rarely ,someone should compile a list of lighters other use for us non smokers .
I have recently noticed that the smell of zippo lighter fluid causing headeche somtimes
Technically a cigar should be lit with a wooden match
petergunz16 technically sponges should be made with actual sea sponges
nobody uses wooden matches anymore
technically a cigar should be lit with whatever the person smoking the cigar wants to light it with
I use a Clipper lighter.
Em i only use one of my zippos. To light my pipes and my zigars
"Butane lighter *fluid*"? Uhm... I'm pretty sure butane is a gas, right?
Highly compressed gas can turn into liquid in many situations. You can see it by clear disposable butain lighters have liquid form gas inside, or hearing liquid noise when you give shakes to butain gas canisters.
yeah butane is gas, which would make it a fluid since both liquids and gasses are fluids by definition.
Under enough pressure butane is a liquid...release the pressure and it makes a phase change into gas.
I feel so embarrassed for the CEO of the tourch lighter's company
4:42 ... Should b careful.. not to light when close to face..
My z plus has fit issues with some of my zippos and not others strangely.
What powers the ignition on the Z-Plus insert? If it's a battery, is there a way to change it?
Zippobmakes a pipe lighter butane 16.00
does any case size work with that insert ? are all cases the universal size?
You don't blow a zippo out it will make the wick burn up
Keep in mind, the inserts dont have wicks
where do you get the zplus soft flame thanks
Does your Thunderbird let out good butane pressure over time? Mine has its flame flickering quite frequently.
Do they have these for the smaller zippos
You use a match to light cigars.
Or butane lighters. As long is its not lighter fluid.
@@tomcat122200 If you can afford cigars, then you can afford a Dunhill butane lighter.
Cool
where in stores can get the vector
will it fit 1941 replica ?
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You couldn't fill the torch insert because it was full & the flame adjustment was turned down too low to light. The soft flame filled easily because you had the cam open the entire video & leaked fuel the whole time so the insert was always empty. It's absurd because you even mentioned your mistake halfway through your video but for some bizarre reason continued to keep the cam open & waste fuel the entire time.
can you fill the first one with normal zippo fuel?
No. Butane is a gas not a fluid like regular Zippo uses.
@@MFD00MTR33 gasses are a type of fluid, you mean 'liquid'. fluids and liquids aren't the same thing, both liquids and gasses are considered fluids.
What stores could i find one of these?
Butane IS not a lighter fluid it is a combustible gas..
gasses are fluids. Therefore butane gas is a fluid. its used in lighters. So in other words its lighter fluid. 'fluid' does NOT mean 'liquid'
@@benyusuf6873 butane is liquid under pressure so whatever. Your remark is pretty silly because you know what I ment and it was correct
Janne Heino theoretically any gas will become liquid under enough pressure. Regardless, liquids and gassed are both fluids, so when you said “butane is not a lighter fluid” you weren’t correct. That’s my point.
@@benyusuf6873 so zippo lighter fluid bottles say lighter liquid and butane bottles say lighter liquid. This was not a chemistry class, this is what People call these things when they talk about them. You fill your zippo with lighter fluid and butane lighter with a gas
Why Buy a Zippo if your REplacing the inside??? whats the sense ??? in that case just buy a disposable Lighter ???
Anyone try with a 1941 Replica?
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LMFAO you amatuer. It spirting out because the nozzle on the butane can is to big for the Zplus. You need to use those little adapters that come with butane cans to find the right size so itll fit into the refill port on the Zplus. I had the EXACT same problem with my colibri lighter, which i was using Xikar butane. Then i used the correct adapt and it filled up just fine.... I saw the fill ports on both inserts and it seems like the Thunderbird was much bigger.
You say, "LMFAO you amatuer" and then admit you did the same thing? Seems like you're as equally stupid.
I mean i'm just nitpicking here but jesus christ you need to work on your grammar. If you want to present a point and sound even remotely intelligent, you need to have good grammar. You, my good sir, do not.
spyderspic666 amateur*