TEJAS: Why it is a Success.
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- The LCA Tejas is a sleek small combat jet designed and built in India. It has a very particular story, different from what we are used to see in the West. In this video we try to understand the context of its inception and its position in India's defensive posture,
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You pronounced Vikramaditya accurately he was a great king...
5ttg2
U wouldn't believe but in last 4000+ Hours of sorty their is no incident of any failure or crash. It's a record
@necromancer 😂😂
Jf17 wears Chinese underwear masks to prevent covid
iron man you know,Jf17 can Defeat UFO too
@@xamanikia13 hhaha sahi kha
@@YashSingh-xs5yj sahi kha bhai 🤣🤣
It’s good enough, cheap enough, and indigenous enough. thats why it is a success.
@Haris Inam f21 is just an computer animated jet as of date and in india millions can make better looking fighter jet in their computer than what f21 looks.
@Haris Inam 16 ioc level are in service and 16nkire add within 24 months . Then 8 more twin seater trainers will add followed by 83 mk1a version . By 2026 total of 123 nos of lca tejas will be inducted in iaf then after iaf will start inducting 200 nos of mwf tejas @24 per year.
@Arup Ratan Mitra when you will make ?? In 2080?? Lol
Indigenous enough ??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...70 % of the jet is made somewhere else
Too little too late. It was useful as a research project but a terrible idea to produce in quantity now instead of alternative options.
The most of countries don't have the resources or even "balls" to build a air fighter from scratch! Indian resilience despite the obvious country problems is really impressive!
@Rick Rohl do explain how it copy's the mirage
Lol 80% of the jet is bought from others, like engine, radar, avionics, weapons, even the missiles..
Basically India just designed the frame, and no one thinks Tejas frame is good or revolutionary. Even Indian Air Force doesn't want it and prefer the French or Russians eats they bought.
From scratch? No,that's China who has domestic production capability to produce everything from frame to engine to avionics to missiles to radars or GPS satellites. India doesn't produce anything, even bullets for rifles are produced overseas.
@@ex0duzz the frame is good as it's mostly composite materials, Russians are interested in how it was done so they can try implament it into they're designs
@@VegetaWinning Russia can't do composite material frames? Lol wtf even china can do it for a long time now. Russia can create su_57 from scratch, pretty sure that is built with composite materials. if you can make 5th gen fighter from scratch pretty sure India can't teach Russia anything in jets.. or military tech full stop.
@@ex0duzz yeah they can but it's the first plane to be built mostly of composite materials at like 50 or 60%
It takes a lot to indigenously manufacture complex machines like this and I admire India. Hats off, from Pakistan!
First time a Pakistani praise tejas 😂
@@masterinsane_official it's salty comments like yours that results in people always making fun of you.
@@AliSidTexlemme correct it always some mullahs crying in replies not my problem ur jealous but I didn’t told u to cry
Im not even Indian and I liked that
Yes sir only an excellent engine is needed to be developed by us.
Performance is required to be liked
Respect
You need to be a human for liking anything, that's a basic parameter.
I don't understand what you want to say
You like that you are not indian.
Or
You like progress of India.
Please clear my thoughts.
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I liked one line... India is not cloning the foreign technology but instead developing things in its own way!!
The truth is that India will benefit more by having something developed by India for India than just copying the US or Russian designs. India will have a good jet that does exactly what it needs instead of the Chinese approach of stealing and then making bad copies of very expensive and costly to run American aircraft. This means the Chinese are stuck with expensive to run aircraft that meet US or Russian needs of the 80s or 90s when the jets were initially designed. India will have capable jets that cost a fraction and will probably be significantly more affordable to use and repair. India keeps it's self respect and that of the world and in turn gets better engineers who have a deeper understanding of the technology and industrial processes that they are working with. I see a future where India exports these to other countries needing an affordable solution to their military needs as well.
I agree. I do believe every nation benefits from collaboration. I personally believe India should end the Tejas program and use the lessons learned and resources to partner with one of the cutting edge aircraft manufacturers in the Western Democracies. To me a perfect partner would be one of the following. Boeing/Saab.. Lockheed Martin, BAE / Saab / Boeing. Or possibly Mitsubishi and BAE.
I know Lockheed has offers the f-21 with the most advanced systems to date with an oath that would lead to the F-35 and or 6-gen fighter. I’m positive BAE would welcome the expertise and partnership with Indian on the new Tempest platform. Im also certain the French would welcome a partnership on the next 6 gen fighter in its development.
This would give India an opportunity to further develope its own nations knowledge and skill sets. Then, in 15-20 years, India should be in a powerful position to develop a clean sheet fighter and not have partners if it didn’t want them.
When you have a gov like BJP. You will not get there anyways
@@devas1993 fuck off rice bag .
@@HelloWorld11332 hello bhakt
Did you get offended?
Give a man fish feed him for a day. Teach him to fish feed him for life. Teach himself to fish, cut out the middle man
very true ....thanks a lot
well said
Well said......I didn't get it thou.
That's is knowledge is transferred from generation to generation.
A quote from Gandhi- ji-“If you give a man a fish, he will be hungry tomorrow. If you teach a man to fish, he will be richer forever.”
The IAF is on record stating that during Gagan Shakti exercises, LCA did 6 sorties in 1 day, no malfunctions of any sort, and was the most accurate in bombing runs compared to Mirages and Sukhois.
This is what matters during war - availability ( as opposed to hangar queens) .
Wars are expensive. While the Rafales and Sukhois of the world do strategic tasks, you want a fighter which does CAP, bombing, reconnaissance and support roles at a nominal cost. The LCA does that job.
I do hope IAF and Indian defense agencies dont go for the shiny shiny and invest a lot in both MK1A and Mk2 variants. This will protect the home front.
GE F404 engine is reliable
There are many within the IAF who oppose Tejas because overseas aircraft manufacturers have them on their payroll.
Dude it might be the besr fighter but its if no use unless it's in inventory.
Agree,but with a qualifier, best single engine multi role fighter,and the the mark 2 with the upgraded GE F414 engine with more thrust will be even better. Jai Hind
CAP is better suited for the SU30MKI,agree LCA is the best thing for IAF since sliced bread.
Tejas experience will be a stepping stone to much sophisticated aircraft in the years to come.
Definitely.
Your last point is the greatest takeaway really. Tejas is not an aircraft for India. It is the centerpiece around which its aero industries are shaping up.
Thank you for covering this aircraft 👍👍..in the 13 minutes of this video I have learned a great deal that I haven't seen from countless articles on other aerospace outlets. I am impressed by how far India has come in this endeavor🤔👍
... 🤔just be prepared for the shear lunacy and vitriol that will follow in the comments 😂😂🤣😎👍
you surely have faced it to be so confident about the lunacy
@@abhiyantrik7189 🔥🔥🔥
Tejas helped Indian to regain its lost knowledge of HF marut.
1) India No cloning technology.
2) successful failure.
Realistic review.
Thank you sir.
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first learn to walk then learn to run, thats the lesson learned
@@liran547 Lets say they learned to jogg, Kaveri will be used in unmanned CAV.
The engine for new Teja's Mk 2 is American not Indian, Israeli radar copy ...not 100 percent Indian.
Mk 2 big improvement on what was needed, it might sell in future
@@LeonAust
Thank you 🙏😊
Building anything is hard. Tejas shows India can build anything we put our mind to. Good job, team Tejas. 👍
I hope Mexicans buy atleast one just to fly it over Texas while pronouncing it as Téhas.
Edit: Tejas isn't the first plane actually built in India. There was the Marut & Ajith before it. But they had lot of design help from Kurt Tank & West Germany. Infact the work done by Germany with India was bought over in the design phase of the Tornado with the British.
India realised the importance of trying to develop indigenous components after Rolls Royce refused to supply powerful engines for the Marut & the Soviets refused to sell engines for use in any plane involving West German engineers. Meanwhile the US was selling F-16s to Pakistan back then so US engines was out of the question.
Edit: The first bit is a joke that Spanish speakers in the US would understand. Secondly, why are there so many Pakistanis in the comments talking shit about how bad the Tejas is & how useless it is. Talk to me in a decade or two from whichever state of your country you haven't had to sell to China to finance your millitary budget for that year.
Program started in 1983 and first flight took place in 2003 and got initial Operations clearance is 2011 and not yet no final official clearance........ And with foreign engine and radar.....
FUN FACTS!!
TEJAS is also Roof Tiles in Spanish
India made mistake by premature retiring of hf24 and not preserving drawing and technology achieved while developing hf24.
@@munmunhazarika5247 except Russians all source LRUs of their fighter jets from multiple nations .
@@pravirchandragadkari88 the best thing of tejas is the f414 engine.... Reliable with great safety record
You were spot on with radar. LRDE (not ADA) is the agency in charge of it. LRDE in the agency which has come up with the ground based radars and radar for the AEW&C all of which have been tested in our constant border skirmishes. Anyhow, LRDE has developed an AESA radar called Uttam by scaling down the systems tested for the AEW&C program. The radar is roughly analogous to the Elta's 2052 (which will go on the Tejas Mk1A). The radar has completed testing based on roof mounted structure (on a tall building), followed by testing on a business jet with a modified nose and has just entered testing on limited series production (LSP) Tejas airframe.
Great indian self made figher craft , stunning look very small , easy to handle . Oh man many features included in bharath dynamic and DRDO ,this is the sign of india still successfully running her next feature level of india , iam proud of our nation. 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
Same here brother. This was our first step . There were many hurdles but we overcame them as a nation. It's good that we have now identified it's failures and shortcomings. The future generation of Indian built aircrafts won't have those issues and definitely will keep getting better.
@@thediamond1028 as a french, i'm totally agree with your point of view. The first step is globally a success. Now, i think the next step is to be able to developp a efficient engine, which is a real challenge, then to improve electronics systems, which make the real difference, between life or death, sovereignty or dépendance, and commercials opportunities, indian's aircrafts industry come from very, very far, has already done a very good job, but still a lot of job to do to be one of the leaders in this industry, good luck to India 😉
@@tfjdfhozs3s849 I thought only French gov is friendly, quiet suprised to see you encouraging us😬😂.
A partir d'aujourd'hui, j'ai commencé à faire encore plus confiance aux français. :)
@@tfjdfhozs3s849 India is jointly developing 125 kn jet engine with safran after failing in indigenous kaveri engine. Which will be used in AMCA( 5.5 gen jet plane, first flight is expected in 25-26) And India will hold IP rights of the engine
It has developed completely indigenous AESA radar called Uttam which is superior to Israeli radar used before. Su30 nd mig29 will also get it as an update.
India has developed Anti radiation missile called rudram for ew. It also have it's own indigenously EW suite called Mayavi. But it will be integrated only on mk2 version of tejas as mk1 has less space
It has also developed Bvr missile Astra mk1 which is currently in service. Has range of 110km
With Astra mk2 which is expected to complete its final trials by first half of this year has a range of 160 km.
Astra mk 3 will be Sfdr bvr missile nd will be comparable with meteor missile. It will be inducted most probably by next year.
Another Variant of Astra will be short range with IR
Just as i have said all the time. The Tejas was made in order to make India self suffient in the design of aircraft.
I like this episode because of how open ended the discussion is, and he did not hesitate to call a spade a spade.
Want more such insightful discussions.
You have earned a sub, sir! Congratulations.
Finally an unbiased video on Tejas from someone who knows what he is talking about. The first step is always a difficult one. And for Pakistani trolls citing JF-17, what Pakistan is doing with JF-17, India has already done it with SU-30 MKI, i.e assembling Russian/Chinese supplied kits domestically with some amount of local manufacturing. In fact, India is ahead because Indian MSMEs manufacture and export many spare parts for Su-30 to countries that operate similar fleet.
You need to stop imagining Pakistani trolls everywhere, mate. But otherwise I agree with your comment.
Dude calm down lol. You sitting thousands of miles away know we're assembling kits. We did make initial JF17s from kits as per contract. We still do get a lot of major Avionics Suites from China but we manufacture 99% of Hardware here in Pakistan and this exactly was the project and we successfully accomplished it. Tejas failed as a project, accomplished very little. Thank you.
@@mijlal.haider 👈here he comes 😄
@@mijlal.haider tell me the name of one system/sub system or a weapon that your country has manufactured and is integrated with your 3rd gen fighter??
@@faraztanvir4641 Dual seater version was simply assembled. Please don't fall for PAC propaganda. And for the production, India produced Orpheus engines in 1957, assembled Mig-21s since 1960s, Do-228 aircraft...and recently, RD-33k engines, Chassis for Apache helicopters, parts for P-8..and the list goes on. There is simply no comparison. Also JF-17 was an abandoned Russian design which China bought and further developed. This is one of the reasons that it relies on RD-33 series engines because original design was developed by Russia keeping this engine in mind.
One interesting fact I would like to highlight. Off course there were nagging technical issues but the biggest problem was the mindset of our earlier politicians. They didn't stand behind the project firmly and rather were interested to make money in kickbacks from foreign aircrafts. An Indian Italian family has a big hand in Tejas delay.😔
That is always the first thing I'd like to assess when diving into a projects history. How much of the failure is due to technical inabilities and how much due to impossible requirements. The blame is usually placed on the engineers, but most of the time it are the politics and incompetence among decision makers that make the project delay, overrun in cost and under perform.
@Marcos B Thanks for the info, in business it is usually because managers are out of touch with the technical realities, but I guess politicians can take that to an other level. Which is basically treason but in an obscure and deniable way. Here in the Netherlands we have the same sometimes. They sold a profitable company: KLM to Air France which was in financial trouble back then. Good for the french, but not good for us.
And, yes, we need more engineers in management and politics to make things right.
It was given to the IAF during congress times.
Raneshkumar Talwar even now, when there are some great project, the opposition always block it. The BJP party’s have to fight every time. At the end it’s very tiring
@@rmlnlulucknow4617 congress will never come back to power 😄
The aesa radar problem is almost complete. Indegenous radar has proved to be evenly matched with the Israeli aesa radar in initial tests. More tests are being conducted to make it mass produced and fit it in mk2 version and even upgrade the sukhois
Good job, but I would recommend India to use the GaN radar that SAAB now is providing to the Jas C. The radar has 1000 GaN TR modules.
Such a radar would give the Tejas a 70% increased detection range compared to the Gallium Arsenide radar systems used by the Israeli radar.
It would be a gamechanger for any model of Tejas.
The new Jas C radar not being as powerfull as the Jas E radar would still out class everything that the Chinese and Pakistani have today. Even the USA would have problems facing a low RCS fighter like Tejas Equipt with this radar.
For me it is a no brainer by the new Jas C radar
Ask SAAB to provide a 700 TR module to Tejas Mk2.
I would think that buying 200 GaN radar systems from SAAB would make the Indian Airforse into a regional Airpower not to trifle.
The fact that the Brahmos missile could be fired from a Tejas Mk2 at a distance of more than 300km or from a Jas E at a distance of over 400km would at least scare any Chinese hangar ship of the coast.
Using a Jas E going 1300 km out from the coast would force the Chinese to station their fleet at a distance of at least 1700km away from the coastline.
Unfortunately the Chinese they do not have a plane with a combat radius that cans start from a Hangar shipp.
Nor do they have the capacity to protect against the Brahmos in such a scenario.
@@sorennilsson9742 yes. You're definitely on point. The new gripen radar would be a game changer for us Indians. But on the other hand the present government is hell-bent on indigenous development to save every penny and use it for further development. Basically India needs to be self sufficient if we're to avoid sanctions if we ever had to blow the lights out of pakistan. Even though it has nuclear missiles, it doesn't have a ballistic missile shield program. India has one and also the s400 russian systems will go a long way in providing another layer of security. US had prevented us from using gps during kargil war. Hence, we had to develop our own system. India had missed the opportunity to fully modernise its forces due to the economic sanctions after the nuclear testings in late 90s. But, we are quite hopeful that just like ISRO has become a popular name in the field of space technology by developing everything from scratch, other agencies will be able to do that in their respective fields. Also, it's would be a hellride for Chinese if some conflict happens in the Indian Ocean. We have air and naval bases in the south and also in Andaman Islands. Sukhois, p-8 sub hunters and submarines are stationed there. Both have similar type of ballistic shield programs. Also, the two nations are not stupid enough to kill each other and slide down to a poverty and destruction. Yet, i hope a few Jas E are procured to equip 2 squadrons of Tejas to be more effective against the adversaries.
@@subasishhalder7251There are many good thing humanity should spend money on arms is not a good thing.
India has unfortunately little choice, since 1950 India has been in five wars.
The precent situation is becoming more and more hazardous since the Chinese is under preasure from the USA, resulting in a huge armament program.
That program is in itself a treath to India.
To meet a stronger China that supports Pakistan there India has to arm ithemself.
The most important factor in today's war is airpower. India has for a long time neglected its airforce both in quantity and quality.
India has no longer the luxury of time, India is getting further and further behind China.
Within 20 years India will hopefully have cought up to the rest of the world in important technological areas, today it has not.
Equiping the airforce with systems that are expensive and that will be unmodern within 10 years is not a good investment.
China will have GaN radars within 10 years making the Indian planes sitting ducks. It took SAAB 10 years to construct the GaN radar. I do not want to insult India but it will take longer for India since it starts from further behind.
The French are some years from a usable GaN radar so is the USA.
Equiping the Indian airforce with superior radar system would make them very strong for the next 15 years. A license production of the Jas C radar ought to be possible. Yeas SAAB would ask a high price for such a technology transfer but it would be well spent money. They are in a strong position and they know it. GaN technology also makes it possible to have an enormus edge inf E warfare so the future is a strong airforse with GaN technology.
The precent technology became very old very fast. Even the USA is equipping their navy with SAAB radars.
I promise MAGA Trump would not do this it they had they had the technology. Even the F35 and F22 has reasons to fear the GaN radar and E warfare suites with GaN technology. So it is realy a gamechanger.
@@sorennilsson9742 then, India should buy it to equip like half of the fleet, while the other half could be run on homegrown ones to make the investment feasible and fruitful. But I would be against equipping the whole fleet with the Saab radar, as this would make the investments and research made on indian radars go in a mothball.
@@sorennilsson9742 Agni works as a potent deterrent. China will not go beyond skirmishes and posturing.
Tejas is the 2nd fighter jet to come out of HAL, first one was HF-24 marut, I believe !
Yes , very few people know
Right! HF24 Marut was the first fighter to be developed by India, it was a twin engine jet
HF-24s USED BRITISH ENGINES
It looks like mirage😂🤣 marut
India is making the same mistake with Tejas, dragging out a program past the point of being useful when better alternatives exist.
The Mark 1 A version is integrating different genres of missiles. It’s simply possible because all source codes are INDIAN. India is almost ready to integrate ASTRA LR in its new model with an Israeli AESA radar with its own data link. It’s Indias own Combinations and we know best what is needed ft work for us
LCA MK1A already. Under metal cutting phase +99 GE 414 are already. Being baught from 🇺🇸
As for ASEA based radar first batch will have ELTA EL 2052 then LRDEs UTTAM AESA already it ground testing abd 1st phase of Air testing is complete on a slow turboprop now 2nd phase going to start after lockdown opens on LCA and it may also find a version on mighty SU 30 mki
Sorry to say no, SAAB is now upgrading JAS 39 C with a GaN radar the upgrade will start within a month. It is 1000 TR moduels radar and it has a detection range 70% larger than a Gallium Arsenide based radar.
The Israeli radar that is going to be put into the Tejas MK1 exists in 300, 500 and a 1500 TR moduals versions. The Tejas MK1 will probebly have a new variant with 400 to 450 TR. This is not good enough. Tejas MK1 is unmodern when it arrives.
@@sorennilsson9742 drdo is also upgrading uttam GaAs radar to GaN radar.
@@kumarvibhooshahi7501 in 15 years doing it yourself.
@@sorennilsson9742 drdo wont take that much time after they get the funds.
As an Indian Is sincerely thankyou for making this video.
The Tejas is a success because it has provided India with the knowledge & experience to built better fighters in the future. Engines are very difficult for even western nations & Russia to build. Let alone India who tried from scratch and look at China who stole designs still struggle to build jet engines. So yes the Tejas is a success and will only get better with every new version.
Indians thought same when they built HF24 Marut :D
@@rougeangle1 we don't have congress to ruin us...
So let's see.
@@rougeangle1 now game is different
We are in the future now. Where is that new fighter jet?
@@just_wanna_create_shorts not the failed tejas but the future aircraft
Tejas have a record it was never crashed from it's first test flight in 2001 to present 2020
First flight of tejas was in 2000 I guess.
@ _psychopath yes 4 January 2001
It's a showplane. It doesn't do dogfight unlike the F15, 16 and 18.
@@machinehead4436 ask the developers how many times did all of these planes you mentioned gave a problem of malfunction or any other problems in testing the fact is tejas never gave any problems during the tests nor till now any problem occured in it. And don't worry India have a volatile borders so it will be in combat sooner or later.
there aeren't enough of them in service to register a crash
I'm glad To find one of my favourite Book "why the west rules for now" by "Ian Morris" on your Bookshelf.👍
Very insightful....
Bravery !
Although I might sound like a fanboy, I have been fighting misinformation (not your video which is well made, but reporting in general) for more than a decade. Let me leave behind a few stats and then let you be the judge.
1. The Rafale purchase was the result of an medium weight multirole combat aircraft competition (MMRCA) which is unrelated to LCA. BEyond the selection, everything is a sorry saga and the in the current purchase, there will be no ToT.
2. The aircraft weighs 6.5 tons empty, 9.8 tons clean TOW and is powered by a 89 kN AB engine. Is such an aircraft underpowered. If yes, all version of Gripen, Mirage2000, JF-17s etc. are even more underpowered.
3. Naval-LCA or NLCA Mk1 is indeed overweight. With a skijump launch, it will only be able to carry a centerline 725 ltr tanks and 6 A2A missiles only: 2 CCMs and 4 BVRAAMs. Being single engined is another cause for concern in the Indian Navy.
4. Its first operations on the Vikramaditya which you covered took the Indian Navy by surprise. For a team and aircraft which had never been on an aircraft carrier, they showcased 3 test sorties per aircraft per day from day 2. On day 3, one of the aircraft showcased 3 continuous sorties with hot refueling for a total flight duration of 2.5 hours. Consequently, NLCA Mk1 may see use as LIFT trainer in the Indian Navy.
Thanks for point 3 and 4, good extra info. Point 1, you are technically right, I suppose, but if the Mk2 had been ready and working as expected, there would likely be no Rafale.
About Point 2, yes, all the planes that you have mentioned are underpowered. In one of the Gripen videos I explain how Sweden deliberately underpowered the Gripen to save costs and complexities, for example.
In any case the T/W ratio that better represents the aircraft capability is Full Military/MTOW. The wet thrust can be used for a very short time and it is relevant almost only during air to air WVR fight; which is very important, but it is not everything.
@@Millennium7HistoryTech There was no question of Mk2 being ready or not. The MMRCA competition predates the first flight of the first prototype of LCA Mk1. Around 2000, India was in need for more aircraft. IAF was impressed by the Mirage2000s weapon delivery during the Karhil war of 1999. Dassault offered to move the Mirage 2000 pipeline to India. The politics in India came up and said this is favoritism towards one company and there should be a competition instead. All in the medium weight category. The technical evaluation was completed in 2011. Very professionally done. But then came in the bureaucracy and politics. Finally everything was dropped and a direct purchase was made. It is a comedy of errors
Regarding point 2. I really like your rebuttal. I have no problems with that. I have a problem when people say Tejas is underpowered but Mirage, Gripen is not. Apparently, the laws of physics change from one plane to the other for many of these guys.
Your point of TWR being only one aspect of a complex interplay is also well taken (who can disagree) .Brings us to another important feature which is the wing loading. Tejas has a huge wing compared to its size/weight. It has almost the same wing area as a Rafale! This very low wing loading comes with its attendant strengths and weaknesses. Actually this aircraft was designed to Indian conditions of high temperatures. On top of that most of our border skirmishes are in the mountainous regions. This gives rise to hot and high take off conditions. At Leh, airplanes have to take off at 10.500 feet at 40 C. Tejas did it with 2 * 1200 ltr tanks, 2 *450 kg bombs, LDP and 2 * CCM which is about 80% of its max payload of 4 tons.
Lol you are here sir ??
Thanks for the well balanced, presentation.
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@Millennium7HistoryTech thank you
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83 Tejas mk1a got ordered, finally.
Keep it going, fly high India.😎
Dassault's design theory is clearly visible in the deltawing design of Tejas..
Small brother of Mirage 2000 😉
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Glad you enjoyed it
@@Millennium7HistoryTech This was nice video I love your channel requesting you to make video on Indian LCH (Light Combat Helicopter)🙏
@@Millennium7HistoryTech Can we hope to see a video on your Channel for:
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If India can reach Moon and Mars (on its maiden attempt) with indigenous tech, one would not be surprised with it building Fighter planes.
As clearly pointed out in the video, the objective was to be self-reliant and stop importing costly machines when you can develop an entire industry in your home.
India is not completely there yet but this story (of taking risk) should serve an an inspiration for others.
While Tejas is going to be upgraded to Mark1a and Mark2 later, India has also made concrete plans for 5th gen multirole fighter called AMCA. All the failures and experiences will definitely help in the long run.
Thanks!
Sandeep Panda 'If' Didn't its moon lander crash?
@@loveforworld7062 Look who is talking whose countries science minister is a illiterate man and whole country filled with terorists
A) No Indo-Pak squabble or everyone will be banned!
B) You would be surprised to learn how it is technologically less challenging going to space than building a state of the art fighter.
Millennium 7 * HistoryTech _____ Don't talk nonsense.
@@Millennium7HistoryTech indo-pak squabble will keep on continuing for who knows how many years 😅
But thank you for the insight. I am curious about your 2nd statement though. We would love to hear the reason in one of your videos.
Thanks again.
Pointed to be noted that the Tejas started as small interceptor plane design to replace aging Mig 21 bison. So it's airframe design is based on that requirement later IAF want it perform as Multi role fighter instead of just interceptor. This is also a reason for shortfalls of Tejas as design done for interceptor plane need to accommodate multi role fighter features. All these short comings are being rectified in Mark2 version which will be interesting to see true power of Tejas.
Very accurate analysis. ❤️❤️
The Indian aerospace industry was next to non existent when the Tejas was proposed sometime in the early 1980s.
India had developed an indigenous fighter jet called the HF 24 MARUT in the 1960s. But owing to difficulties in procuring a powerful engine, that program eventually failed and the learnings from it were lost with time.
With that backdrop it won't be wrong to say that the single most significant success of the TEJAS program has been the development of the aerospace ecosystem in India because unlike China we strived to developed our own systems rather than brazenly copying others.
A very well made video.
Thank you. 🙏🏻🙏🏻
And your pronounciation of VIKRAMADITYA, was spot on. 👍🏻👍🏻
Great channel man. Very informative. Deserves million of subs thanx
The Tejas has promise. All I can say.
promise to fail
To the guy above me. We don't trust the Tejas either but it's failure will be our success. It has a radical design altho we could've followed our Western counterparts but we didn't. It is just a LCA and so we can improve it heavily in the long run and learn more stuff in the way. But most importantly it has paved the way for AMCA. Which will be India's first 5.5 gen aircraft. Also we have faith that we will succeed to produce Kaveri engine within this decade and furthermore it's advancements will be rapid.
@@airtech9629 Why ? what makes you think so ?
@@kaushikchatterjee7025 his nationality..
@@airtech9629
You are trolling.You have not the slightest idea of what a tremendous boost the Tejas has been to the aircraft industry in India.I expect this industry now to take off with an exponential growth.
India has AESA/EW suite ready. The only lacking part is good Thrust to weight ration propulsion of its own.
And there is no jet currently in Indian AF that can land at Leh-Ladakh including its russian / French jets which are way more expensive, So that's a big big win for India.
IAF buys it's jets with one their requirements being that they can land in Leh-Ladakh.
@@the_fabulous_p14 I meant any jet with full load capacity as theres no longer runways as in Tibet ..Leh is above 14k ft.
@@raptorraptor597 yes
I think the whole point of making Tejas indigenously is that if one aircraft is lost in war another one or more can be built for which we have the technology and resources. If an imported plane is lost, buying a new one for replacement is time consuming and often results in political controversy. No matter how much time it takes to develop our own plane it should always be the first choice.
Have you forgotten the engines are American, avionics are Israeli, and French, British ejection seats..???
Love your detailed and unbiased explanations. Keep up the good work.👍
Liked and Subscribed coz you were able to say Vikramaditya...with so much pain.
It's a beautiful beast. India is most likely gonna have over 100 Tejas and 100 Rafales by 2026
@Marcos B The Rafale numbers are easily gonna grow. IAF wont stop at just 36 Rafale acquisition.
I didnt know india made a fighter until yesturday and I have been reading quite a lot about fighters lol
Brilliant video . It shows how dedicated india is at moving ahead and breaking away from reliance on US and russian imports . More countries that do this the more pressure it puts on the US to not waste money .
One issue that I've always wondered , the more a country relies on foreign procurement what does that do to open security of their armed force . Eg if a country buys a fleet of f35 what's to stop the US from grounding that fleet with a back door via the data link systems?
Bullshit. If that was the case IAF won't need to buy Rafales
@@edmundscycles1 no such thing you donkey
Such fun seeing people intentionally miss represent what I say . In no way are india or most other countries able to break away from foreign procurement at this moment . But are on the road to doing so . India are probably where the UK was in the 1940's as far as the size of the aerospace industry . I.e equivalent to a small cottage based industry.
They are just trying to play catch up as far as home based technical knowledge and production.
@@edmundscycles1 nope. Why you keep being delusional?
Very good and balanced analysis. Otherwise from the title I was thinking its just another video to get attention from huge indian TH-cam traffic.
A very informative video. I like your channel more and more!
Good video, and balanced review of a very difficult subject! I was part of the LCA core team 1984-87, specializing in the development of the aerodynamic configuration. There is no question that the LCA has been a great source of pride for India's aeronautical technologists. The program needs an aggressive fillip, especially in view of China's rapid development of some very advanced fighter platforms in an amazingly short time frame. The Chinese have undoubtedly stuck to a rigorously focused strategy, that countries like India can emulate. One advantage the Chinese industry enjoys is that their Air Force cannot, for reasons of national prestige, pressure the Government to import aircraft. They used to do this from the Russians in the past, but no more. India's indigenous industry is up to the task of developing advanced fighter aircraft & associated weapon systems, but only if the Government makes this a national priority by forbidding its air force from importing aircraft. As always, this is a catch 22 situation, but if the Chinese can do it, so can India.
You are forgetting the primary knowledge base for the chinese came from reverse engineering and espionage. Its lot easier to catchup when you don't have to spend any effort on R&D. Yes the chinese have advanced rapidly but how much of that is realy indigenous. Props to them though for sticking with their strategy and really working hard to master and use what they learned.
Indian has the enviable position that neither US nor Russian see it as strategic competitor and are eager to woe it on my hardware sale and technology transfer to some degree.
For China, both see it as competitor. Even one of Putin’s close advisor admits that they need to go for Ukraine now so that they can deal with the Chinese threat in the coming years. So Russian sales to China is always about cash grab, not helping establish its military industry compound.
In a sense, India’s enviable position is also a curse in disguise, in the sense that politicians doesn’t need to push through indigenous capabilities since the option to buy is always there and it would be far quicker and cheaper for peace time deterrence. One may not like Modi for his anti-democracy leaning and stroke of nationalism (but then which politician across the spectrum isn’t doing so these days? Maybe except Macron and a few Nordic ones), but he is the one politician who probably has the will to push through some of these very difficult tasks.
@@Ma_nerd China didn’t copy the design. Instead, they learnt the principles (albeit through some reverse engineering) and use these principles to come up with indigenous designs. In the process they built up their own industry base. India are luckier. They had the French to hold their hands and taught them these principles then apply to their own design.
Both are indigenous. Though China had its back against a cliff whilst India has many cushions to fall back on. So China’s learning process can be more thorough. That said, because they don’t have a hand to hold on, they are also more prone to make unnecessary detours and repeat mistakes that the west has made in the past half a century. So each approaches have their own pros and cons and were constrained by geo-political circumstances each of them face.
why you think India equal China?
I graduated as a Metallurgical Engineer in 1994 and worked in Software Technology since. I know the Material Science challenges involves in creating an engine whose fins/turbines are operate at high temperate, pressure that comes with it moving at more than the speed of sound(yes..the tips of the fan). Software simulation and in general ‘Systems Engineering’ and ‘Systems Integration’ is something that I know we are reasonably good and perhaps just a step or two behind the best in the world. This means that with sustained focus, over the next 15 years we would be among the best of not the absolute best. Building an entire aerospace Eco system is a challenge that can only be accomplished over several generations...or at lest more than one generation. Also even though Tejas started 30years back..the current version is 4-4.5 gen.... it’s not like it’s a plane from the 90s Design...
A balanced presentation. Tejas needs to be measured in the context of developjng an aerospace eco system in India. Its sustainability will depend upon export competitiveness of complete aircraft or export of sub-systems e.g. different missiles, radar, design software or avionics etc.
Please elaborate on potential of design simulation software to improve its future design capabilities.
What is still missing?
1. India has still not developed independent verification and technology assessment process. This is largely opposed by Indian scientists bureaucracy.
2. The project should have integrated: a) Tejas and sub-systems R&D, testing, evaluation, implementation with b) long term financial allocations; c) periodical reviews of South Asian air
threat assessments, d) Investment for manpower output in aero design and R&D should have been made in 1980s to develop broader knowledge, testing and evaluation experience through 20-25 years of Tejas development
India needs more engineers like you
Saurav Sen :) fortunately India is not short of engineers far more brilliant than me(I went to IIT)... it’s only a matter of political leadership and direction...and I think Modi is the right man(even Nehru and Indira did ok despite their other flaws..but Sonia/Manmohan Sign poisoned India...happy that they are gone)
@@MrNitKap my assumptions were correct you were from IIT because as of now only IIT provides metallurgical engineering. Looks like we have the next Sundar pichai here but this time he will be in India.
Saurav Sen hehe since Sundar Pichai came into lime light I have been telling everyone 🕺 about metallurgists... but I moved out of the game long back(pretty much from same era)... 🙃🤪🙃
I am an Indian and naturally proud of any progress India makes. With the help of friendly nations and determination we can scale new heights.
That's a good attitude 👌
We have recently received FOC version of Tejas and inducted second squadron.
40 jets are under manufacturing and 83 Tejas Mk1 is going to be signed in next few months. After that we are making MK1A and then AMCA 5+ gen fighter jet whose design is almost in final stage.
Corruption was the only thing that stooped lca from getting commissioned earlier... It is a beautiful aircraft and very capable in its segment.. It can hold its own...
The mk1a variants especially are really good..
The mk2 variant is integrated into the medium weight aircraft project and will be developed alongside amca... Which is a 5th gen fighter.. We are late, very late, but better late than never..
India has made its own AESA radar
India
@@nishantaadi sorry just corrected
Love the calm tone in the video. Very informative. Thank you.
This aircraft has on board oxygen generator system which is now being used to help covid patient in need of oxygen supply and it is saving life this is clear example how technology developed for military use can help in civilian use. Tejas has provided indian aircraft industry many innovation.
On avionics , fully indigenous CLAW, quadraplex FBW, health manager, 3 MfDs indigenous, avionics is where Tejas outshines every other aircraft in IAF inventory apart from rafales, in precision bombing it is better than mirages 2000 as found out in exercise GAGAN Shakti. Can carry various AAM (Israeli,Indian,Russian) thus making difficult of adversery to prepare a counter measure. Comes with indeginious software defined radios and data link.
Is I derby er integrated?
@@dipayansaha4101 not yet, it is on proposal for mk1a... Airforce has to decide what it want, any missile can be integrated on Tejas, be it meteors or astra..
@@prashantsharmastunning so what are the bvr missiles of mk1
@@dipayansaha4101 derby.. right now
@@prashantsharmastunning its range?
Thanks man! I requested for this video
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Good Video but multiple issue,
First Tejas has around 70% indeginous system by value, even the modified elta2032 radar used has Indian backend,
Its indeginous quad axis FBW is far better than any in IAF fleet, its handling is better than mirage 2000,
It is one of the few fighter jets that can do Hot refulling with full weapon load
Recently it got big praises while performing in bombing in IAF exercise,
It was better than out dedicated bomber Jaguar.
Ultimately IAF would buy around 300+ Tejas variants in coming years.
I loved your explanation and I hope my country will sell this marvelous wonder to other countries too....❤️❤️
It's refreshing to read an independent pov and review with out the usual hipe or melodrama of supporters and critics.
very detailed,loved it 💛
Thank you! 😊
It is younger brother of Mirage 2000. Another fine video 👌👌👌.
No Tejas lca ioc/doc/mk1a is hybrid of gnat, mig21bison and miraj2k.
Had india chosen EJ2000 for Tejas as per wish of IAF it would be much better fighter hey due to higher thrust without afterburner and higher thrust to weight ratio compared to ge404. But geopolitical equations plays bigger role than technical requirements in fighter jet and jet engine purchase. Today also india has less trust in european union hence selected earlier muraj2k and now rafale .
Don't compare French with Indian chutiya jet
@@goodputin4324 initial design consultancy was provided by Dassault that is why I made the remark.
@@darveshzamindar so your point is not valid then.
Mwf tejas with 98kn engine will be much much better than miraj2k. It will he rafale with 65%weapon carrying capacity, range and sensor fusion just at around 60 million dollars per unit. indian uttam radar will have greater range than Rafale radar range . Cross section too will be lesser than rafale
Thank you sir for Making a video on Tejas :)
Bro you are the man! Great channel and very in depth and clear. Thank you I love learning from all point of views
Who said its a failure
Actually its progress...
Just learning day after day
The next 10 years and the performance of the 83 mk1a on order and 200 odd mk2 planned will determine how successful tejas was.
One of the biggest reason for delay in Tejas program was money was not allocated in time. Approval for the program was accorded in 1983, but funds were given for the development only in 1993, 10 years later.
I don't mean to take political turn here, in 10 year's time between 1983-93, ruling elite of India chose to import military hardware rather than developing homegrown solutions. Apart from that the analysis was spot on 👍
The best military history channel, with deep technical underpinnings.
On Kaveri engine : cleared for flight testing by snecma , currently producing 81kn wet thrust and 52kn dry thrust more than GEf404 but less than what it was designed for i.e 90kns, TWR is same as GE404 (7.8). 1700K temp sustained in turbines. GE engines are excellent , responsive and reliable engines thus serving tejas well.
@prashant sharma : Do you have any links on what you have mentioned? The deal with snecma was dropped long back as they demanded a heavy price for fixing Kaveri issues. Also, Kaveri is offically delinked from Tejas project
It can produce a wet thrust of 81kn but it can't sustain it and it's not reliable. And inlet turbine temperature is also lower than required. Major hindrance is developing a crystal blade technology.
I think that they were looking for 125Kn engine for MarkII and they were hoping Kaveri would be there by the time they are ready to use it
I'm by no means a Tejas expert , but I've followed the program very closely , so few points .
When we started the program , we were our capabilities in the aerospace sector were hopeless .
Though the program was thought of in the 1980s the program never went anywhere and also suffered heavy sanctions and embargos after a nuclear weapons test . The first flight was only in 2001 . It took about 15 years to get operational which is slow but nowhere near the 30 years claimed and I would say par for the course given our capabilities at that point .
Delays have been because of technology and technical issues and general bureaucracratic inefficiencies of govt but also in large way by our air force who kept changing requirements throughout the program leading a lot of redesigning .
On the radar front , we have developed a AESA radar which in testing has outperformed the ELTA 2052 on quite a few tests . We have also developed a modern integrated EW suite which first saw service on our upgraded Mig 29s.
Also I would disagree with the hopelessly underpowered jibe the LCA gets , it has the same GEF404 as the Gripen-C and is a tad lighter .
Engine development has been a huge problem and will probably continue to be .
The current version of the fighter us far from being a world beater in terms of capabilities but gets the job and has impressed pilots at IAF with good performances at exercises . The MK1A version will have initially the ELTA 2052 AESA and later our own AESA along with a decent jamming pod as well the Astra missile and will be a capable cost effective fighter . The MK2 will feature the GE414, with close coupled canards a and other aerodynamic improvements and also our AESA radar and EW suite with Digital Frequency memory RWR , MAWS and phased array jamming as well a moden LAD in the cockpit and will be able to compete with Gripen NG fairly well , probably not surpassing it . The MK2 is coming along well and should fly by 2022-23 .
I'm sorry this has been so long.
All good points that depict a plane that is still evolving.
However, the Gripen is under-powered too.
@Marcos B the LCA does carry slightly less fuel though.
I'm an aerospace engineering undergraduate at IITB(India's best engineering school ). We had a professor who was project leader for the LCA , for the aircraft design course he showed quite a few semi classified graphs for the LCA's turn and climbed performance in comparison to other modern fighters , the LCA had better STR and ITR then the F16 .
@Marcos B oh I'm sorry yeah , what I meant was the the Gripen has longer range in that configuration then the the LCA .
@Nick Emerson Tejas has lower wing loading than Gripen.. Check your facts.
Loved your video Sir! Greetings from India, its a refreshing change to hear an unbiased realistic video about the Tejas coming from the west. The gripen was an ace candidate for the Indian Aerospace industry, sadly not much fruit came out of it. What India does need most crucially is state of the art indigenous engine propulsion technology and an indigenous aircraft with the ability to supercruise. This factor as you said the greatest limiting factor and the weakest link in the chain for Indian technological self- sufficiency.
The thing is that people think tejas is just a plane
But it have bought the aviation industry to a height that india has never seen before.
Like new projects like AMCA TEJAS MK2, NAVAL TEJAS AND THE TWIN ENGINE JETS
Love from Pakistan for Tejas.... I hope this Aircraft will arrive very soon in DCS and other Flight Simulators
Chutiya jet lol
@@goodputin4324 There is no benefit in hating each other. GIVE RESPECT HAVE RESPECT.......
@@SM_Fato nope. It is all false
Thanks brother
@@defenceosprey983 No problem 👍👍👍
I think these things need to be considered infrastructure projects rather than fighter acquisitions.
Good point
ADVANCE STRUCTURE SIMULATION SOFTWARE IS ONE OF THE BEST ACHIEVEMENTS OF TEJAS PROJECT AND WILL CONTINUE TO PLAY CRUCIAL IN FUTURE PROJECTS.
UTTAM AESA Radar is a success now which is an indian made radar..well specifically for Tejas. You should check it once.
From now onwards yours YT channel will be subscribed by millions n millions anyways again very excellent presentation 👌👌👌
Yes the Indians have opted for this path of not cloning foreign technologies even in the automotive industry. For example TATA cars are not copies or inspired by foreign brands like Chinese cars like HAVAL with some sucess. But this path is more difficult. With cars, you have the issue of design, for example Chinese cars look much more 'western' than their Indian counterparts.
Thanks for presenting this good video.👍👍
And considering they build it "from scratch" it was a big success. They try to develop everything, but what they can't at the time they bought (and analyzed-reverse engineered) or have been cooperating to develop to make their own variant in the future.
As they're simultaneously developing their own versions they can analyze/understand that bought tech much better.
Interesting video... keep it up
Well balanced vedio. Keep it up
Really happy that you discuss these things man, people often ignore this due to fear of criticism. Thanks for putting the facts straight and right. There was some incorrect things when discussing the air intakes, but still, phenomenal vid!
Highly knowledgeable and well discussed.
Sir, I watch this video and i appreciate your work. I have a question for you that what makes gripen and tejas differ from each other, in both fighters major and main equipments like radar and engine are imported from other countries.
I like watching military aviation channels on TH-cam, but even ignoring that, I can see that developing a an efficient jet engine for non other than a top of the line fighter , is a colossal undertaking . I have no idea how India will be able to develop a wholly native jet fighter engine
in our modern day, latest-technology environment.
Mirage 2000 replica … though indians would never except this. It has multinational involvement as technology has been imported from number of countries.
I really like how knowledgeable and intelligent he is unlike many other youtubers who just shows specification and their dumb opinions.
and tactfully avoiding certain details. lol
Hey, I just wanted to say that I would love to see other asian giants such as japanese (the Mitsubishi f 2) and Taiwan and south Korea getting some attention too.
Indian Navy is complete opposite of Indian Airforce when it comes to operating & adopting indigenous weapons & weapon systems.
we have IAC-1, INS arihant class nuclear subs bcoz navy wanted indigenous systems. N-LCA was not accepted bcoz navy wanted a twing engine fighter, which will provide better survivability.
Actually its the reverse. Indian Navy is the only branch of the Indian military that insists on Indian made products. The Tejas program when sanctioned by the Govt in 1983 was funded from funds of the Indian Navy which wanted a plane to replace their sea harriers. HAL disregarded the navy's interest because Navy contract would be 24 to 30 planes while the Air Force would be 300. In the IAF always wanted the Mirage 2000 to replace their MiG21s. There was a deal in 1980 to buy them but eventually only 50 were purchased. That time Air Force wanted 125 Mirage 2000.
Thanks for showing your respect toward india.
Well explained. Thank you
I like this video because you did point limitations at the same time focused on the core objective of the program. Build capabilities in aero space to reduce reliance on other countries. Tejas is a test bed for learning and each version iteratively will be more indigenous, better and delivered quicker if funding keeps coming. Kaveri engine is still a few steps behind as they have had problems with thrust to weight and thrust variations with altitudes but hopefully they can partner with someone who can resolve these..
I have said this again and again. The Tejas program had two major aims not one. To develop an aircraft and a fairly capable aviation industry. Most of the so called internet experts miss this very vital feature of the program. I could be wrong, but doesn't the Arjun tank has the same story as well?
LCA Tejas is small but it does the job for which it is made. Afterall it is more accurate even than Mirag 2000. It's service availability is unmatched in the inventory of IAF. It is also a secure aircraft to fly because it is not crashed for a single time since it's first flight. That's why it is a success.
Update and part 2 is very much needed.
Nice video, to see an unbiased review.