Heck, Smash Ultimate has almost 100 fighters, and i'm struggling to find a character I adore, I can't imagine only having one with the rest essentially being DLC. They could've at least given a basic trio like an all-arounder, a power tank, and a rapid hitter and then have more advanced characters as DLC
@Raysay I mean excluding the lvl up mecahnic. For a free game. It's not bad. Unlocking fighters isn't bad. You get a bit for free like the person above said. There's alot of good starters to play until you unlock the guy you want. If you put the same amount of money for game you could just get the characters. So it's a good trade off.
I think that the problem is that there are too many characters in smash. Having it this way makes sure that you can learn each character fully before going into the next one
Idk why, but I think Mario and Sonic at the Olympic games would be a bangernof a game. And with multiple in the franchise who are technically different games, I see it as a few gaps filled for the rest of the year. Also, shoutouts to little bro, he popped off this episode.
Interesting- When you mentioned that the moves seemed to lack some oomph (or something along those lines) it reminded me of Sakurai's videos on the topic, and yeah, it really doesn't have the punchy sound effects that feel satisfying when you hit a big move, and there was no screen shake either. The low level of hitstun probably wasn't helping either. Perhaps it would feel a little better with those things added, if even just a little bit.
i love seeing you both play combo characters and not knowing what the combo's are it makes me feel alot better about get destroyed by your characters on ladder knowing its extualy not as easy as they sometimes make it look
Ive been playing this game for like 4 months Sivi is mario, he has up air combos for days You get Sophia, who is Marth, after 10 games Theres only ground attacks (not tilt/smash, but you have jab, fground, down ground and up ground) , but full up down neutral and side specials, and full aerial arsenal (up down neutral forward and back) Only forward and bqck throws. It has ultimate parries Wave dashing is fine, the jump you get sometimes is being fixed Theyre adding more funtionality to the training room and fixing controller support by adding more options Theres 15 characters with four types of characters Assaulter: they can cancel certain moves into jumps or dashes. Kamiki yuri and Sivi are both assaulters. The bkue flash you see is the cancel indicator Heavies: they have smash 4 rage, no one else does All rounders: fill a bar, get a super move. Impeders: special ability where if you hit their shiled you build meter and get a super grab Its pay to win because stickers, but honestly the game gives you plenty of chances to earn stuff free. And its pretty reasonably priced. Its a mobile game, so monetizatin does suck, but youll get what you need by playing the game regularly.
Okay honestly: A sudden death that doesn’t set you to neutral is actually pretty sick. Not winning the game because you were like 0.09 seconds away from the person you just Rested actually going offscreen has always been soft
I love how im seemingly the only person who cared about smash for 3ds, to the point other people cant even remember how the control config worked Honestly funny af
I’m sure the average retention on this video is gonna suck, and while I also don’t particularly want to watch this, for the sake of being different this is my new favorite podcast for the next half hour and no one can stop me.
I get that there's only so many ways in the world to animate punches and kicks for a humanoid character, but I really wish indie platform fighters would stop directly copying so many of their animations directly from Smash. It gives off a pretty bad impression, I think
Sivi's upair is straight up Terry up-air called somersault kick. Kamiki Yuri's up tilt also really looks eerily familiar to someone in smash but I can't put finger on it. Some of these animations might be stolen I wonder or just traced.
@@Shrow88 since both games use 3D animation, I don't think it's possible to directly "trace" it. However, I do agree they could fully imitate the animations, and it really looks like that's what they did.
You only start out with one character. After playing some matches, you unlock some other characters for free. If I remember correctly, one of them is the character Alpha started the video playing. That said, only having like 4 free characters is still stupid
Yeah, only having 1 character for free is bs. You wanna see how to do it right? Look at Smite. It’s a moba, not fighter, so numbers obviously a bit different, but principals are the same. To start you get 2 characters of each class, for a total of 10. In addition, you earn free currency (favor) easily, and can spend favor to unlock more gods. But not just that, there are something like 8 gods that have a significantly reduced favor cost. In addition to that, you can spend a much lower amount of favor to rent a god, to try them out for a short time. But it’s still not done, theres a weekly free rotation of 1 god of every role (5 total) where you can play them as much as you want for that week. Oh, and in jungle practice (their training room mode) all gods are free to use whenever, purchased or not. Oh, and they do a ton of promotions with free god unlocks, like right now they have a crossover with vshojo, and so theres a free perk for all game pass members that unlocks skadi, nemesis, nu wa, persephone, serqet, and izanami, plus gives some account boosters. So there are ample ways to unlock characters, obviously for a smaller game just starting out promos and free rotation not super great now, but could easily have an in game currency that is used to unlock new characters, have a couple of them especially cheap, and start with 2 or 3. Once you get a handful more characters, then make a free rotation 1 character per week free to use for everyone. The numbers don’t have to be larger, but they certainly shouldn’t be a 1.
Wait i just realized you didn't even claim S-17. They give her away with any purchase, and if you spent money to get Yuri and Tina you should definitely claim her
Smash has been pay to win as long as Smash has had DLC characters. They intentionally make the DLC characters better than the core cast to drive sales.
Flash Party is an ok game, there's nothing inherently wrong with the way it plays... that is, if you understand it. The game lacks tutorials, any way to communicate information on how characters work, and it doesn't even have a training mode. It's just very difficult to get into it, specially if you don't have the opportunity to truly explore your character's options
There's always been character specific tutorials explaining the basics of every character. They added a training mode shortly after your comment, but always had a bare bones training (now there's a few settings for ai behaviour, damage, di lines, etc)
Pay to win but not quite,since you can unlock the characters without paying a cent, same with the most op ones. Just pick Sophia, it's the way to go. Yeah, you start with one character but unlock a few new ones playing the game.
The pay-to-win in the game comes from the stickers, which fundamentally change your character's playstyle and increases their stats. The stickers are also primarily only earned through a gacha system.
I really like flash party. They want your money bad but I enjoy the online. You can combo consistently and connections are better then smash online at least
I think that's intentional? There are a few characters that have very different art styles, like a magician who's basically just Wario. I believe it's to give the same "crossover" feeling as Smash, even if the characters are all original.
Some would argue U.B. Funkeys is pay to win because of the need to buy the silly toys. *WRONG!* The game has been modded in order to be played on modern machines, removing the need to spend any money on figures! Day 30 of requesting U.B. Funkeys post 625 Sandwich Stacker.
I think most platform fighters fail so quickly is because they cater to the competitive scene instead of the casuals. The stages are ps2 or battlefield with a 3 stock rule set. These games need items, wacky stages, and at least an arcade mode if not some campaign.
Seeing as how you guys are playing fighting games where 2 characters cost 15 dollars now can you play Pokken Tournament (This is my super well thought out plan to get them to play Pokken Tournament don't tell jacob and jo)
"I don't know what you're supposed to do when I hit your shield" The game seems to have counter hits like a traditional fighter; I think most smash likes don't do CHs. Another thing I know is meta in smash is punishing unsafe moves with grabs. But that's not meta in traditional FGs. So maybe you're supposed to just attack? You tried a lot of things but not this, I guess because maybe block punishment isn't a common thing in smash likes?
I know they're talking over it, and I haven't played the game myself, but something about the sound design feels off. For example, why is the airdodge or wavedashing sound louder than everything else??
Day 12 x 12 of me asking Alpharad Gold to try the less floaty Yandere Simulator. Free to play, pay to lose, uninstall to win. YanSim Fun Fact: Ayano Aishi used to have pure black eyes when in Yandere Vision.
Please, play Touhou. (The danmaku game or the fighting game.) It could be cool, I think. 😆 Never played this game but I think I like it. Maybe I'll try to play it with my siblings.
Imagine having to pay for your characters, when you could be playing Nintendo Switch Jump Rope Challenge for free! It has oodles of costumes, at no extra cost!
Idk if you've heard of it but there's a Smash Bros. fangame with online called Super Smash Bros. Crusade you two tryt. (Also Super Smash Flash 2 but you've probably heard of that one) There's also a Roblox 3D platform fighter called Encounters
oh cool they’re finally playing smash
Do they know?
Heck, Smash Ultimate has almost 100 fighters, and i'm struggling to find a character I adore, I can't imagine only having one with the rest essentially being DLC. They could've at least given a basic trio like an all-arounder, a power tank, and a rapid hitter and then have more advanced characters as DLC
money
Once you finish the tutorial you pretty much straight away unlock two more and the currency to unlock the other characters is unlockable for free too
@@jimmityjam9319it may be "free" but how much of the currency do you need to spend and how easy is it to earn the currency.
@Raysay I mean excluding the lvl up mecahnic. For a free game. It's not bad. Unlocking fighters isn't bad. You get a bit for free like the person above said. There's alot of good starters to play until you unlock the guy you want. If you put the same amount of money for game you could just get the characters. So it's a good trade off.
I think that the problem is that there are too many characters in smash. Having it this way makes sure that you can learn each character fully before going into the next one
Idk why, but I think Mario and Sonic at the Olympic games would be a bangernof a game. And with multiple in the franchise who are technically different games, I see it as a few gaps filled for the rest of the year.
Also, shoutouts to little bro, he popped off this episode.
I can’t believe they bought Steve in smash bros!!! It truly is pay 2 win!
😡😡😡!!!!
@@gilgameshtheexcalipooruser177 *grrr
@@mrwaffleman8732 whatever.
Colin popping off with that leaf transition around 11:20, keep up the good work king
Interesting-
When you mentioned that the moves seemed to lack some oomph (or something along those lines) it reminded me of Sakurai's videos on the topic, and yeah, it really doesn't have the punchy sound effects that feel satisfying when you hit a big move, and there was no screen shake either. The low level of hitstun probably wasn't helping either.
Perhaps it would feel a little better with those things added, if even just a little bit.
alpharad gold really brings me back to the plussy era, stuff is just back to being so simple and consistently inconsistent i love it
yeah i love when they just play shitty garbage
i love seeing you both play combo characters and not knowing what the combo's are it makes me feel alot better about get destroyed by your characters on ladder knowing its extualy not as easy as they sometimes make it look
Really love the time old matchup of Kairi vs Sora
they're trying so hard not to hate this game and it is not going very well
Hate would be a feeling that they have about it. They’re trying to not be bored
Ive been playing this game for like 4 months
Sivi is mario, he has up air combos for days
You get Sophia, who is Marth, after 10 games
Theres only ground attacks (not tilt/smash, but you have jab, fground, down ground and up ground) , but full up down neutral and side specials, and full aerial arsenal (up down neutral forward and back)
Only forward and bqck throws.
It has ultimate parries
Wave dashing is fine, the jump you get sometimes is being fixed
Theyre adding more funtionality to the training room and fixing controller support by adding more options
Theres 15 characters with four types of characters
Assaulter: they can cancel certain moves into jumps or dashes. Kamiki yuri and Sivi are both assaulters. The bkue flash you see is the cancel indicator
Heavies: they have smash 4 rage, no one else does
All rounders: fill a bar, get a super move.
Impeders: special ability where if you hit their shiled you build meter and get a super grab
Its pay to win because stickers, but honestly the game gives you plenty of chances to earn stuff free. And its pretty reasonably priced.
Its a mobile game, so monetizatin does suck, but youll get what you need by playing the game regularly.
Fkn why though?
Okay honestly: A sudden death that doesn’t set you to neutral is actually pretty sick. Not winning the game because you were like 0.09 seconds away from the person you just Rested actually going offscreen has always been soft
I love how im seemingly the only person who cared about smash for 3ds, to the point other people cant even remember how the control config worked
Honestly funny af
I love listening to these guys just talk shop. People who know what they're talking about talking is always interesting.
My favorite part of all gold videos is the editing, keep up the good work Lil bro
why does sudden death not reset you to neutral
Game design
Game design
Checking out the video again knowing how much Jo loves this game. Crazy rewatch
You know what's not pay to win? A Tux and Fanny Playthrough!
It's so weird that the "healing orbs" only appear when the sword fighter is selected. It's also weird how there's that little meter up there.
That was the biggest call out of my life. I always make Y my grab in Smash and it was just a habit. Forgot about Smash for 3DS 💀
I’m sure the average retention on this video is gonna suck, and while I also don’t particularly want to watch this, for the sake of being different this is my new favorite podcast for the next half hour and no one can stop me.
Actually I muted it and watched One Piece. Glad for the background images.
@@illialidur8244You sick monster.
@@illialidur8244 unfathomably based
@@illialidur8244 🗿
I actually watched it🗿
Bruh forgot to censor the room code, how did he not get swarmed by fans 😂
We didn't out of kindness
Cause no one has this game
we
Cuz it's not live?
Offloading jump to one of your bumpers is actually really helpful for certain combos
I was genuinely waiting for this
I get that there's only so many ways in the world to animate punches and kicks for a humanoid character, but I really wish indie platform fighters would stop directly copying so many of their animations directly from Smash. It gives off a pretty bad impression, I think
Sivi's upair is straight up Terry up-air called somersault kick. Kamiki Yuri's up tilt also really looks eerily familiar to someone in smash but I can't put finger on it. Some of these animations might be stolen I wonder or just traced.
@@Shrow88 since both games use 3D animation, I don't think it's possible to directly "trace" it. However, I do agree they could fully imitate the animations, and it really looks like that's what they did.
@@xerveeon Trace was certainly the wrong word but I'm glad you see it too.
You only start out with one character. After playing some matches, you unlock some other characters for free. If I remember correctly, one of them is the character Alpha started the video playing. That said, only having like 4 free characters is still stupid
I was wondering when they would actually play smash 4 and I am glad they are playing it!!!
This Smash bros copy is not as pay to win as Naughty Bear for the xbox 360 and ps3!
All this comments about Naughty bear makes me question what even is Naughty bear.
I am once again humbly recommending Your only move is Hustle
Wii bowling, however if you pay your friend a dollar he can punch you
Video 714 of asking for Super Paper Mario.
Been facing some very uncomfortable feels recently
Yeah, only having 1 character for free is bs. You wanna see how to do it right? Look at Smite. It’s a moba, not fighter, so numbers obviously a bit different, but principals are the same. To start you get 2 characters of each class, for a total of 10. In addition, you earn free currency (favor) easily, and can spend favor to unlock more gods. But not just that, there are something like 8 gods that have a significantly reduced favor cost. In addition to that, you can spend a much lower amount of favor to rent a god, to try them out for a short time. But it’s still not done, theres a weekly free rotation of 1 god of every role (5 total) where you can play them as much as you want for that week. Oh, and in jungle practice (their training room mode) all gods are free to use whenever, purchased or not. Oh, and they do a ton of promotions with free god unlocks, like right now they have a crossover with vshojo, and so theres a free perk for all game pass members that unlocks skadi, nemesis, nu wa, persephone, serqet, and izanami, plus gives some account boosters. So there are ample ways to unlock characters, obviously for a smaller game just starting out promos and free rotation not super great now, but could easily have an in game currency that is used to unlock new characters, have a couple of them especially cheap, and start with 2 or 3. Once you get a handful more characters, then make a free rotation 1 character per week free to use for everyone. The numbers don’t have to be larger, but they certainly shouldn’t be a 1.
I just realized that a Pretend episode is a possiblity
I think my favorite non-smash platform fighter is Rivals of Aether.
The reason people don’t like pay to win games is because we play games to escape reality and reality is already pay to win
Oh man, I almost started playing this game myself. That is, until I found out every single character was locked behind a grind lol.
Brawlhalla makes it non pay to win with its character rotation
@Random Username coins arent nearly as hard to get tho
My dyslectic ass read “play on wii” instead of “pay to win” 🙃
I kinda wish one of these videos would be ONLY Leaf transitions thought the whole video
YIIK: A Postmodern RPG, but it's not pay to win because it's awesome
Are you saying that YIIK is pay to win and this game is an equivalent that isn't?
@@Zorro9129 errrrm... what the yiik?
im yiiking out bro
@@Spyridon1337 a self-insert god complex rpg
@@_Hawkeswith a main character so annoying that you want to throw your pc out the window
I've unlocked 5 characters in this game without spending money, you get tons of hero coins just from playing the game
I don't think Alpharad ever figured out what his second character's gimmick/meter was.
For a sec I thought this was the break in case of emergency episode
Video Title: Smash
Tags: Flash Party
TH-cam: *LEAGUE OF LEGENDS*
Ha, jokes on you!
I played Smash 3ds casually, but my R button broke.
Im glad you're finally playing this game. Next time get a sponsor for it
Wait i just realized you didn't even claim S-17. They give her away with any purchase, and if you spent money to get Yuri and Tina you should definitely claim her
Smash has been pay to win as long as Smash has had DLC characters. They intentionally make the DLC characters better than the core cast to drive sales.
This is the nicest thing I've seen someone say about piranha plant
Multiversus's beta is going down within the next month so you guys better play that before June 25th
Flash Party is an ok game, there's nothing inherently wrong with the way it plays... that is, if you understand it.
The game lacks tutorials, any way to communicate information on how characters work, and it doesn't even have a training mode.
It's just very difficult to get into it, specially if you don't have the opportunity to truly explore your character's options
There's always been character specific tutorials explaining the basics of every character. They added a training mode shortly after your comment, but always had a bare bones training (now there's a few settings for ai behaviour, damage, di lines, etc)
you can try all the character in training
14:54 is my place so I don’t lose my place. Thanks
Pay to win but not quite,since you can unlock the characters without paying a cent, same with the most op ones.
Just pick Sophia, it's the way to go.
Yeah, you start with one character but unlock a few new ones playing the game.
It's Pay 4 Convenience then
The pay-to-win in the game comes from the stickers, which fundamentally change your character's playstyle and increases their stats.
The stickers are also primarily only earned through a gacha system.
I really like flash party. They want your money bad but I enjoy the online. You can combo consistently and connections are better then smash online at least
It's not hard to make online better than smash ultimate
Why does sword girl look like she comes from a different game? The way her face and hair are stylized looks completely different from the other two
I think that's intentional? There are a few characters that have very different art styles, like a magician who's basically just Wario. I believe it's to give the same "crossover" feeling as Smash, even if the characters are all original.
What is that profile picture on alphas character it reminds me of a black and white tifa
You know what would we be really cool? If y'all played Naughty Bear for the Xbox 360 and PS3.
Every time see the "this game, but" title I think it's a main channel video.
I played a game called Gaia’s Melody, and it’d be fun to see these two play it on Gold
I would love to watch alpharad gold play the rest of the pikmin games, the rest of the fnaf games, shantae, the luigis mansion series and danganronpa
I LOVE LEAGUE OF LEGENDS
As a smash 3ds player I can confirm that I never grabbed because I was like 7 amd only used kirby hammer because it was strong
yo i love this game so much tong is amazing btw
Some would argue U.B. Funkeys is pay to win because of the need to buy the silly toys. *WRONG!* The game has been modded in order to be played on modern machines, removing the need to spend any money on figures!
Day 30 of requesting U.B. Funkeys post 625 Sandwich Stacker.
leaf jumpscare at 11:16
fully expected smash 4 given the thumbnail lol
day 143 of asking alpharad gold to play fate grand order: technically in order to win any game you have to pay to buy it so
90% of games are free
I think most platform fighters fail so quickly is because they cater to the competitive scene instead of the casuals. The stages are ps2 or battlefield with a 3 stock rule set. These games need items, wacky stages, and at least an arcade mode if not some campaign.
The healing orbs are not just stage things they are from the sword character your playing that her gimmick basically
I would love to see them play skullgirls one of these days
You know this is really funny because I did not look at a tier list and I play both of those characters
Seeing as how you guys are playing fighting games where 2 characters cost 15 dollars now can you play Pokken Tournament
(This is my super well thought out plan to get them to play Pokken Tournament don't tell jacob and jo)
You know what fighting game would be really cool to play on the channel. Jump Force
That title is literally just normal smash
"I don't know what you're supposed to do when I hit your shield"
The game seems to have counter hits like a traditional fighter; I think most smash likes don't do CHs. Another thing I know is meta in smash is punishing unsafe moves with grabs. But that's not meta in traditional FGs. So maybe you're supposed to just attack? You tried a lot of things but not this, I guess because maybe block punishment isn't a common thing in smash likes?
womp womp
I know they're talking over it, and I haven't played the game myself, but something about the sound design feels off. For example, why is the airdodge or wavedashing sound louder than everything else??
Day 12 x 12 of me asking Alpharad Gold to try the less floaty Yandere Simulator.
Free to play, pay to lose, uninstall to win.
YanSim Fun Fact: Ayano Aishi used to have pure black eyes when in Yandere Vision.
I've been wondering this for a while, but who is alpha's steam pfp?
Probably Tifa
have you played kirby fighters 2, the all kirby platform fighter
rushdown revolt is a free platform fighter that i hear is like if smash and guilty gear had a baby, would love to see what it's like
Please, play Touhou.
(The danmaku game or the fighting game.)
It could be cool, I think. 😆
Never played this game but I think I like it. Maybe I'll try to play it with my siblings.
Isn’t that just all the DLC?
25:35 jo, that's how the average F2P game works
I feel called out with the grab on y
Loved the super Ubisoft brothers! Ps day 144 of suggesting Danganronpa :)
title is deceptive, dlcs already made smash bros a pay to win
Imagine having to pay for your characters, when you could be playing Nintendo Switch Jump Rope Challenge for free! It has oodles of costumes, at no extra cost!
Idk if you've heard of it but there's a Smash Bros. fangame with online called Super Smash Bros. Crusade you two tryt. (Also Super Smash Flash 2 but you've probably heard of that one)
There's also a Roblox 3D platform fighter called Encounters
I gotta see jo and Jacob play ctr nitro fuelled on gold
I got cancer watching josniffy try to play Sivi at the beginning.
Hi Jo
Poptropica episode would be pretty cool ngl
No tf it wouldnt 💀
This reminds me of episode one of flash party
Super pickleball adventure
no way we made it to my birthday i had 0 faith
leaf transition, good video
flash party is good I swear
elsword episode when
Thought it was just smash four. Literally pay to win smash bros.
Its weird that you only start with one, When I started playing it like a year ago I had like 3