I wrote my own Skyport called Barak Thaig who are a subport of Barak Thryng. Their leaders are very traditional and interested in acquiring old artefacts from before the age of Chaos. Because these are also worth a lot, they attract a lot of low level arkanauts from other ports who haven't been able to strike it rich in a traditional way, and so now are resorting to the dangerous dungeon delving of Barak Thaig. In addition, they have various other Duardin who make up a solid chunk of the expeditions, Dispossessed who also have connections to the holds they're exploring and even some spirits of the ancestors (ghostly longbeards) appear to help them fight whatever menace destroyed or defiled the old holds.
If you are making a army for the board game maybe you could make a Dispossessed ghostly Warden Lord to add to the army. To show the support of the spirit of their ancestors.
Disposessed with Fyreslayers at dinner: D: Those chaos guys are so weird. They are a problem F: You shoulda been there when we fought alongside them. Very weird D: *stops eating* Excuse me?
I think the change of 'dwarf' to 'duardin,' and the other species name changes, has a lot more significance than just being able to trademark it. Part of it has to do with just having names for things that aren't confused with others. Just as an example, before 2015, GW was making three different varieties of orc (space orks, fantasy orcs, and Middle-Earth Orcs tm). This a marketing thing, for sure, but it's understandable since so many games have dwarves, elves, orcs, etc, and they want to make theirs unique. Also, it helps separate the AoS line from the Fantasy/Old World line, which I think will only become more stark as time goes on.
It is totally 100% trademark and not mixing up names. The duradin is the only name I feel they flopped on. The other races sound like there common fantasy names when you sound them out but duradin sounds nothing like dwarfs.
The Legion of Azgor is coming. Probably not but evil dwarves are definitely missing from AOS and they seem like they’d fit in perfectly with the AOS aesthetic. Also, Warcry keeps mentioning them.
I feel like gw missed a trick with the duardin. You've got three factions, two of them themed round duardin gods (ko get the artisan god, Grungni, fyre get slayer god, Grimnir). There was a third diety, the goddess Valaya of home and hearth. I don't know what happened to her in endtimes, but she would be a perfect diety for the Dispossessed, rather than just sigmar.
Dispossesed still can revere Grungni and Grimnir. Also, abscence of Valaya is seem to be a major part of the future lore, because with his wife gone missing, with dead brother and rightfuly hateful children Grungni's soul has been broken, and his mind is probably too. This can cause him to do crazy things for the plot in the future
Also, there is a blurb in the Fyreslayers Battletome 2.0 about Grungi working on something to reunite his children. May be a forshadowing of a possible Valaya's return. Heard the rumours on various Duardin groups.
I'm not sure if they'll have to fight. You see during the feast of the Ghuzfest (duration: 1 week, food: liquid bread) the vostarg lodge extended a friendly hand to their dispossessed cousins and even a Kharadron skyfleet (not mentioned which) and they basically got drunk together. What happened after, is that Runeson Rolth accidentally divulged the truth of ur-gold and Grimnir. To their surprise, the other duardin supported the fyreslayers and this led to the birth of the duardrazhal, the common dwarven tongue. There is only a tiny blurb on it in the Fyreslayers tome.
Neat. I imagine that relations depend highly on the Lodges, Ports, and Holds/Cities involved though. Cause we know that Barak Thyng absolutely gets along with Dispossessed and Fyreslayers, whereas a more radical port probably has shakier relationships.
@@adambielen8996 I'd even go so far as to argue that, at their core, the duardin aren't very different from eachother (apart from being stunties). Basically KO and Fyreslayers are both mercenaries to survive (for different resources, though). In that respect, they'd have trouble with the dispossessed.
I imagine that asking why they follow their Runefather would result in a long listing of all his many deeds and the massive regret of asking that question.
Chaos Dwarves! (On a side note if you allow legends then KO can take the Hellcannon in one of the skyport armies because it has the keyword Duardin. There was a community page article somewhere explaining that they just see this as an footnote in the code. Totally legal)
Having all 3 Duardin factions (old fantasy/Warcry/AoS) I love the differences. Would be interesting to see them interact more within the lore. In fantasy they had hill dwarfs and those Dawi who were more traditional with bolt thrower and had mistrust of tech. But the differences between these 3 factions is greatly awesome. Great vid 👏
You got my like and my Abo when you said that dwarfs are probably you're favourite faction! I'm just getting back into age of sigmar and started a combined force of all 3 duardin factions (which will lead to 3 different armies one day :D)
If the K.O. Duarden are from Barak Thryng then they'd probably get along better with Dispossessed and Fireslayers then they would with other Kharadron Overlords.
They still described as religious only compared to other KO, which isn't saying much. They revere old traditions more, than gods. They revere duardin gods because they ancestors did, not because they genuinly devout. One of they rules is says "Praise the gods, just in check".
@@АрвигБадмаев-и1э yes and they also have a rule that lets them bring Fireslayers and Dispossessed units in their army without it counting towards the allied unit limit. Tho I do see your point. But then again don't the different skyports have rivalries with each other? I could see a Duarden from barak thryng preferring the company of his Dispossessed and Fireslayer friends over some jerk from Barak Urbaz that screwed him out of a trade deal by undercutting his prices last month.
Just wanted to say that I enjoyed this one! I've got the idea of doing a mixed Duardin Cities of Sigmar army that draws from all 3 factions. My internal lore is that some Dispossessed dug too deeply and uncovered the sleeping god Hashut from the world that was. Word of Hashut spreads from the Dispossessed to the Kharadron and Fyreslayers and members of each faction fall under his sway.
I really enjoyed this video, I have always loved dwarves and I really do like seeing how they interact with each other in this world, especially because the 3 factions seem pretty much all sides of the spectrum. The dispossessed are my favourite, I like their aesthetics and units the most
@@2Tough that is one of 3 cities armies I want to form (other 2 being dark elves and wood elves) only problem is that I wish I could find some good dwarf artillery crew, but am really keen to get some iron breakers and gyrobombers
What do all the different Aelf factions think about humans and what are their thoughts about how 1/5 of them seem to prefer to worship Sigmar over an Aelf God
I don't think there is enough lore on all the aelf factions for him to answer that to be perfectly honest but I might be wrong and if so yea that would be an awesome video.
Love your vids Doug 😊 I have always wanted to start a duardin army.. I have always preferred the dispossessed aesthetic but I hesitate jumping in as I fear they will not be supported outside of the "soup battletome" 😞
I feel like "letter of thr law" vs "spirit of the law" would come up a lot between KO and Fyreslayers. Also I get the feeling, "well technically" would inadvertently escalate things between them a lot XD
Thank you so much for making this video, you truly brightened my day. The innovative takes on the classic dwarven trope are what dragged me into AoS (notably KO). A lot of settings just copy-paste tolkien's dwarves, but AoS created the most unique duardin cultures I've ever seen. I can't wait to see how GW will build upon those unique foundations and factions. The big thing I want to see however is more female duardins. Bring back Valaya and make some female duardin models. As a massive dwarf fan, the lack of female presence always felt like it reduced the depth of dwarf society... it's often formulated as a silly joke about them not existing and what-not. I'm so glad Code of the Skies and Soulbound put their foot down and added female duardins.
Dude, I'm literally not starting a campaign for 4 of my Soulboung players, because I don't have enough time to read through the books properly and I just wait for your vids to get the overview of the lore via listening while I work. Thank you man! I'm piss-poor tier on Patreon, but at least I can give you that back! :)
If you ever need to put out a video just for Algorithm's sake you could always do a "How do the different Aelves get along" one: "They don't. Thanks for watching and until next time, Happy Wargaming 💜"
Yeah what there doing with the Duardin imparticular is something much harder than just "they are at war because of differences." They are being portrayed as "how do they fight/live together inspite of differences." Which from a narrative perspective is something that's much harder to do but can be more narratively rewarding.
Man thank you for your videos and thank you for the update on my second favorite race in Warhammer. Love where GW is taking all the factions and how much they differ from one another and from the old world lore, especially how the Fire slayers will even work for Chaos. I wonder if Hashut is getting pissed lol
If they were going to make a Dispossessed Army they would have to really change up the model line since Warhammer: The Old World is coming out and they would be the same thing.
Wicked and interesting video. I collect all 3. Originally fantasy dwarfs, then fyreslayers, then kharadron overlords and then city of sigmar majority of it is dwarfs. The best stubborn, unmovable strong army.
The thing that GW seems to be unsure of how to keep clear is the Fyreslayer Urgold issues. In the battletome they don't tell anyone that it holds the fragments of Grimnir. Once a drunk youngling let it slip to other duardin. Then it seems like in other books it's not secret at all and even Chaos knows about it.
For the beginning of vampires in Lahmia as well as the history of Nagash you have got to read the Rise of Nagash Omnibus from the Warhammer Chronicles Omnibus series. So many awesome books going over the history of Old World WH Fantasy and worth collecting them all honestly. From there you can continue with vampires factions in Vampire Wars Omnibus, also GW has a book on Strigoi and one on Necrarch bloodlines if you can find them on eBay.
Why are there no aelves devoted to chaos gods? I understand how Slaanesh wouldn't have many (if any) aelven devotees, but how do Khainites not fall to Khorne, or Lumineth to Tzeentch?
Kharadrons and Dispossessed are the same race and came from the same place, the old Khazalid Empire. The difference is just where they fled too when that old empire fell. So I'd say yes that those 2 could jump the gap.
In LOTR lore I’m more of an elf guy. I like the dwarves, they kick ass but it’s hard to compete with the awesomeness of the Tolkien elves. But in AOS, it’s all about the duardin. I like the fire ones, the flying ones and even just the regular ones. My diagnosis: duardin beat dwarves.
So my main Army is actually a Cities of Sigmar using the tempest eye rules so I can have all 3 in one army. My lore is still developing but essentially my Warden King wants to make a true home for Duradin like the age of myth and goes about setting up an expedition with those that would follow him and hire a clan of KO to both aid and trade once it's established. While planning out where to settle a Fyreslayer battlesmith tells them about how his lodge's homeland was taken over by night haunt in the necroquake causing them to retreat after losing everything. The lodge offers the mountain they called home in exchange for the urgold still in their vaults and vengeance for all those lost. Thus the Anvilmar Expedition was formed to travel the ashen wastes into the middle of Bloodbound territory. Still working on it all but I love all the dwarves in this game I couldn't keep to just one.
A Duardin civil war would be the shortest civil war in AOS history.
I see what you did there
Pinned, because you win ;)
Hahahaha XD
SHORT???
Dispossessed: "Our word is our bond, and you can't put a price tag on that."
Fyreslayers & Kharadron: "Yes we can."
Chaos Duardin: [laughs in dishonor]
And then there’s Gotrek- who thinks ALL THREE factions are pathetic shadows of the great, Dwarven race. 😂
Dawi > Duardin
I wrote my own Skyport called Barak Thaig who are a subport of Barak Thryng. Their leaders are very traditional and interested in acquiring old artefacts from before the age of Chaos. Because these are also worth a lot, they attract a lot of low level arkanauts from other ports who haven't been able to strike it rich in a traditional way, and so now are resorting to the dangerous dungeon delving of Barak Thaig. In addition, they have various other Duardin who make up a solid chunk of the expeditions, Dispossessed who also have connections to the holds they're exploring and even some spirits of the ancestors (ghostly longbeards) appear to help them fight whatever menace destroyed or defiled the old holds.
Nice
Awesome
Oh thats so rad!!! Thank you for sharing it!
If you are making a army for the board game maybe you could make a Dispossessed ghostly Warden Lord to add to the army. To show the support of the spirit of their ancestors.
Disposessed with Fyreslayers at dinner:
D: Those chaos guys are so weird. They are a problem
F: You shoulda been there when we fought alongside them. Very weird
D: *stops eating* Excuse me?
I think the change of 'dwarf' to 'duardin,' and the other species name changes, has a lot more significance than just being able to trademark it. Part of it has to do with just having names for things that aren't confused with others. Just as an example, before 2015, GW was making three different varieties of orc (space orks, fantasy orcs, and Middle-Earth Orcs tm). This a marketing thing, for sure, but it's understandable since so many games have dwarves, elves, orcs, etc, and they want to make theirs unique. Also, it helps separate the AoS line from the Fantasy/Old World line, which I think will only become more stark as time goes on.
It is totally 100% trademark and not mixing up names. The duradin is the only name I feel they flopped on. The other races sound like there common fantasy names when you sound them out but duradin sounds nothing like dwarfs.
legion of azgorh: am I a joke to you?
Well they're disappearing from Forge World, sooooo....
@@kenhouston814 damn, this is news to me
Yeah, kinda blows, but kinda gives hope of official ones
yeah... theres barely a paragraph of lore for them, which makes me sad
The Legion of Azgor is coming. Probably not but evil dwarves are definitely missing from AOS and they seem like they’d fit in perfectly with the AOS aesthetic. Also, Warcry keeps mentioning them.
I feel like gw missed a trick with the duardin. You've got three factions, two of them themed round duardin gods (ko get the artisan god, Grungni, fyre get slayer god, Grimnir).
There was a third diety, the goddess Valaya of home and hearth. I don't know what happened to her in endtimes, but she would be a perfect diety for the Dispossessed, rather than just sigmar.
Dispossesed still can revere Grungni and Grimnir.
Also, abscence of Valaya is seem to be a major part of the future lore, because with his wife gone missing, with dead brother and rightfuly hateful children Grungni's soul has been broken, and his mind is probably too. This can cause him to do crazy things for the plot in the future
@@АрвигБадмаев-и1э i thought Grungni got torn to bits along with the salamanda queen? Can he still manifest?
@@ryansullivan7349 Grimnir was killed by salamander gos, not Grungni. And yes, Fyreslayers trying to resurrect him
@@АрвигБадмаев-и1э right, thanks for clearing that up
Also, there is a blurb in the Fyreslayers Battletome 2.0 about Grungi working on something to reunite his children. May be a forshadowing of a possible Valaya's return. Heard the rumours on various Duardin groups.
I'm not sure if they'll have to fight. You see during the feast of the Ghuzfest (duration: 1 week, food: liquid bread) the vostarg lodge extended a friendly hand to their dispossessed cousins and even a Kharadron skyfleet (not mentioned which) and they basically got drunk together. What happened after, is that Runeson Rolth accidentally divulged the truth of ur-gold and Grimnir. To their surprise, the other duardin supported the fyreslayers and this led to the birth of the duardrazhal, the common dwarven tongue.
There is only a tiny blurb on it in the Fyreslayers tome.
Neat. I imagine that relations depend highly on the Lodges, Ports, and Holds/Cities involved though. Cause we know that Barak Thyng absolutely gets along with Dispossessed and Fyreslayers, whereas a more radical port probably has shakier relationships.
@@adambielen8996 I'd even go so far as to argue that, at their core, the duardin aren't very different from eachother (apart from being stunties). Basically KO and Fyreslayers are both mercenaries to survive (for different resources, though). In that respect, they'd have trouble with the dispossessed.
I imagine that asking why they follow their Runefather would result in a long listing of all his many deeds and the massive regret of asking that question.
hahah thats a good point!
Chaos Dwarves! (On a side note if you allow legends then KO can take the Hellcannon in one of the skyport armies because it has the keyword Duardin. There was a community page article somewhere explaining that they just see this as an footnote in the code. Totally legal)
Having all 3 Duardin factions (old fantasy/Warcry/AoS) I love the differences. Would be interesting to see them interact more within the lore. In fantasy they had hill dwarfs and those Dawi who were more traditional with bolt thrower and had mistrust of tech. But the differences between these 3 factions is greatly awesome. Great vid 👏
You got my like and my Abo when you said that dwarfs are probably you're favourite faction! I'm just getting back into age of sigmar and started a combined force of all 3 duardin factions (which will lead to 3 different armies one day :D)
Laughed out loud in the lunchroom at "When they turn into glowing hot pockets"
If the K.O. Duarden are from Barak Thryng then they'd probably get along better with Dispossessed and Fireslayers then they would with other Kharadron Overlords.
They still described as religious only compared to other KO, which isn't saying much. They revere old traditions more, than gods. They revere duardin gods because they ancestors did, not because they genuinly devout. One of they rules is says "Praise the gods, just in check".
@@АрвигБадмаев-и1э yes and they also have a rule that lets them bring Fireslayers and Dispossessed units in their army without it counting towards the allied unit limit. Tho I do see your point.
But then again don't the different skyports have rivalries with each other? I could see a Duarden from barak thryng preferring the company of his Dispossessed and Fireslayer friends over some jerk from Barak Urbaz that screwed him out of a trade deal by undercutting his prices last month.
I was literally thinking this last night when listening to realmslayer again last night, good timing!
That's me, expert mind reader!!!
Just wanted to say that I enjoyed this one!
I've got the idea of doing a mixed Duardin Cities of Sigmar army that draws from all 3 factions. My internal lore is that some Dispossessed dug too deeply and uncovered the sleeping god Hashut from the world that was. Word of Hashut spreads from the Dispossessed to the Kharadron and Fyreslayers and members of each faction fall under his sway.
I really enjoyed this video, I have always loved dwarves and I really do like seeing how they interact with each other in this world, especially because the 3 factions seem pretty much all sides of the spectrum. The dispossessed are my favourite, I like their aesthetics and units the most
Glad you enjoyed it! I've been tempted by a Greywater Fastness army many... many times haha
@@2Tough that is one of 3 cities armies I want to form (other 2 being dark elves and wood elves) only problem is that I wish I could find some good dwarf artillery crew, but am really keen to get some iron breakers and gyrobombers
Duardin deserve more love from GW.
I need my Dispossessed cannons in the Ironweld. I also need like fire-goat cav for the Fyreslayers.
Did someone say “we need more Chaos Duardin”?!
@@fumarc4501 I do need terrain for my Dispossessed's bases.
What do all the different Aelf factions think about humans and what are their thoughts about how 1/5 of them seem to prefer to worship Sigmar over an Aelf God
I don't think there is enough lore on all the aelf factions for him to answer that to be perfectly honest but I might be wrong and if so yea that would be an awesome video.
Yeah, I'll dig around and find what I can. Info like that is scant at best lol
Love u Doug xx
Love your vids Doug 😊 I have always wanted to start a duardin army.. I have always preferred the dispossessed aesthetic but I hesitate jumping in as I fear they will not be supported outside of the "soup battletome" 😞
I feel like "letter of thr law" vs "spirit of the law" would come up a lot between KO and Fyreslayers.
Also I get the feeling, "well technically" would inadvertently escalate things between them a lot XD
AHahahahahaha when they turn into flaming hot-pocket zellots hahahahahahahahahah
That's great
Thank you so much for making this video, you truly brightened my day.
The innovative takes on the classic dwarven trope are what dragged me into AoS (notably KO).
A lot of settings just copy-paste tolkien's dwarves, but AoS created the most unique duardin cultures I've ever seen. I can't wait to see how GW will build upon those unique foundations and factions.
The big thing I want to see however is more female duardins. Bring back Valaya and make some female duardin models. As a massive dwarf fan, the lack of female presence always felt like it reduced the depth of dwarf society... it's often formulated as a silly joke about them not existing and what-not.
I'm so glad Code of the Skies and Soulbound put their foot down and added female duardins.
Dude, I'm literally not starting a campaign for 4 of my Soulboung players, because I don't have enough time to read through the books properly and I just wait for your vids to get the overview of the lore via listening while I work. Thank you man! I'm piss-poor tier on Patreon, but at least I can give you that back! :)
If you ever need to put out a video just for Algorithm's sake you could always do a "How do the different Aelves get along" one:
"They don't. Thanks for watching and until next time, Happy Wargaming 💜"
Yeah what there doing with the Duardin imparticular is something much harder than just "they are at war because of differences." They are being portrayed as "how do they fight/live together inspite of differences." Which from a narrative perspective is something that's much harder to do but can be more narratively rewarding.
Very good overview. Well done! More of those, please.
you got it!
Man thank you for your videos and thank you for the update on my second favorite race in Warhammer. Love where GW is taking all the factions and how much they differ from one another and from the old world lore, especially how the Fire slayers will even work for Chaos. I wonder if Hashut is getting pissed lol
haha you are very welcome!!!
If they were going to make a Dispossessed Army they would have to really change up the model line since Warhammer: The Old World is coming out and they would be the same thing.
You are a great story teller and narrator, sir. Keep up the work.
Hi Doug , so glad ya did this video, I have both fyerslayers and disposed, and now overlords as was always into dwarf in the old world 🌎 👍👹
Wicked and interesting video. I collect all 3. Originally fantasy dwarfs, then fyreslayers, then kharadron overlords and then city of sigmar majority of it is dwarfs. The best stubborn, unmovable strong army.
Great video. I love dwarves just waiting for a combined force of them
Same here!
Great topic and great video! You nailed it with this one ;)
The thing that GW seems to be unsure of how to keep clear is the Fyreslayer Urgold issues. In the battletome they don't tell anyone that it holds the fragments of Grimnir. Once a drunk youngling let it slip to other duardin. Then it seems like in other books it's not secret at all and even Chaos knows about it.
It is one of those secrets that people try to keep but everyone already knows about it. Not everyone takes the idea of Ur-Gold seriously though.
I'll take good old fashioned Dwarfs over Fyreslayers or KO any day.
For the beginning of vampires in Lahmia as well as the history of Nagash you have got to read the Rise of Nagash Omnibus from the Warhammer Chronicles Omnibus series. So many awesome books going over the history of Old World WH Fantasy and worth collecting them all honestly. From there you can continue with vampires factions in Vampire Wars Omnibus, also GW has a book on Strigoi and one on Necrarch bloodlines if you can find them on eBay.
Thanks for the info!
Please do more videos like this about the other races in AOS
You got it! :)
So what are the Greywater Fastness faction considered are they dispossessed or something else?
Why are there no aelves devoted to chaos gods? I understand how Slaanesh wouldn't have many (if any) aelven devotees, but how do Khainites not fall to Khorne, or Lumineth to Tzeentch?
No Legion of Azgorh?? Minus 40 TH-cam points!
Its basically a shoot on sight policy.
And gotrek hates them all.
I've been wondering if it is possible for any Duardin to assimilate to a new culture. Can a KO become a Dispossessed become a Fyreslayer
Kharadrons and Dispossessed are the same race and came from the same place, the old Khazalid Empire. The difference is just where they fled too when that old empire fell. So I'd say yes that those 2 could jump the gap.
Why is GW so reserved about Chaos Duardin? Is Forgeworld’s copywrite that good?
In LOTR lore I’m more of an elf guy. I like the dwarves, they kick ass but it’s hard to compete with the awesomeness of the Tolkien elves. But in AOS, it’s all about the duardin. I like the fire ones, the flying ones and even just the regular ones. My diagnosis: duardin beat dwarves.
I lean the exact same say!
You forgot about Gotrek. I know he has a moderate dislike for fyreslayers but what about the rest?
I wonder whats going on with chaos dwarves
Interesting
So my main Army is actually a Cities of Sigmar using the tempest eye rules so I can have all 3 in one army. My lore is still developing but essentially my Warden King wants to make a true home for Duradin like the age of myth and goes about setting up an expedition with those that would follow him and hire a clan of KO to both aid and trade once it's established. While planning out where to settle a Fyreslayer battlesmith tells them about how his lodge's homeland was taken over by night haunt in the necroquake causing them to retreat after losing everything. The lodge offers the mountain they called home in exchange for the urgold still in their vaults and vengeance for all those lost. Thus the Anvilmar Expedition was formed to travel the ashen wastes into the middle of Bloodbound territory. Still working on it all but I love all the dwarves in this game I couldn't keep to just one.