Nice work on the video. Just ordered this rig, and am looking forward to putting it to work. Gotta build the stand while waiting for unit to ship.Thanks Bryan and Jeff!
It's on a lift. Are you going to change the oil. Please don't tell me it's a transmission problem. Also, you're showing your age. In 1960 cycles (cps) was changed to Hertz to honor the man who discovered alternating current. Love your videos.
There must be another way to drop the cases neck down into the induction coil so the annealed case can be "plucked" out by the right hand, a new case dropped in by the left hand and step on the foot switch and then repeat. I could imagine 30 - 45 cases a minute.... hummm....
How hard is it to get a metal pan? Serious question, because the video would have been 100% better if more prepared. I had an Annie and I interfaced it with my Giraud. It worked fine, but sold the setup to get an AMP. My Annie is from 2016 I think, and wasn't as refined as this unit you have. Probably not made in the USA at that time. Glad they brought it in-house.
Well things may have changed since a year ago. You can always goto amazon. Lab Jack Scissor Stand Platform www.amazon.com/dp/B06XFVYMT3/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glc_fabc_HKl6FbTDZ844F
Price went up due to a few things but the newer model is stronger and faster then the one I have. If I had the $$ I’d go with the AMP but I didn’t. I mostly didn’t want to have a torch running at my desk and this method is more consistent.
I got the scissor lift from Fluxeon and the table design was a buddy of mines. I believe Fluxeon actually got the plans from him and were going to manufacture one for sale as well on their website.
From the Annie website under the Warranty Section "How Long Does this Coverage Last This limited warranty lasts for seven (7) years from the date of original purchase of this product. This is the realistic defined life of the product." You just spent something like $1400.00 that comes with a bundled death certificate??
We have both the Annie and Super Annie, considering how these unit works and exactly what they do and the volume you can do with them, 7 years is really good.
Understanding the science behind electromagnetic induction heating, I have to ask, is the water cooling really necessary? Seems like an unnecessary added cost to the unit. ??? Other than that one question mark in my head...this looks awesome.
No it’s not necessary. But it does help keep it from getting hot with heavy use. If you are only doing a piece of brass every 10 seconds or so it would be ok. But for running a heavier workload it helps a lot.
As Bryan has stated as well, the efficiency of the Annie is increased so that a case can be done every 3 seconds by decreasing heat over all. Coming from a flame annealing background this Annie unit is small, powerful and much more accurately anneals than flame. Stows easier as well. Since each Annie goes through a rigorous build and testing process you have to be patient when ordering as nothing leaves Fluxeon till it is perfect period. Enjoy.
Helical inductions coils have to be water cooled for continued use. Otherwise, you will kill the induction board itself. If you use a Ferrite core for induction, it requires no water cooling. Also with a Ferrite core you’re using litz wire and not copper tubing.
@@jetthreat5000 The coil in use is copper tubing and water cooled. Yes, If you use a Ferrite core for induction, it requires no water cooling or is optional with litz wire. There is much going on here.
@ $546 to what, over $1,000, it’s still well out of my league. @ just $362, right now, as it was only $268, I’ll likely go with the EP Integrations EP 2.0 Annealer.
@@hope121107 No. I am working soon on a new design that will be available directly from Fluxeon very soon. It will be compatible with all the Annie's in production. Should be available in a few weeks. I want the end user to have a one source shop and ship solution.
@@MrJeffreyTSanford Any updates on this? I see the scissors lifts on the Fluxeon site, but not the platform. Working on building one myself, but if I could buy one, ti would be much less hassel. Thanks!
That’s a really good question. My answer would be not so much in prolonging brass life, even though it does that, but the consistency in reloading the brass. Especially in working the neck. When you are wanting consistent sd’s it’s pretty important.
I agree with you but... how expensive a car does a person need to drive to work & to the grocery store? My car was just over $45K... so I guess it's relative to some....
I concur with Bryan Jollie. IMO Induction Annealing is Essential for competition shooting, where consistency is absolutely paramount but for hunters that just want extended brass life I’d go the salt bath method, with the right setup i believe is far more consistent than a gas burner system. I had a gas burner system & I hated using it, I looked at salt bath & I bought the AMP unit & I now anneal for other people so I’m getting a little bit back!
So there's more to annealing than just brass life. It's a common misunderstanding. Annealing changes the characteristics of neck tension in relation to holding the bullet over non-annealed cases. The Annealing Made Perfect folks did a lot of research on this and have it on their website. One thing that must be understood in competitive shooting long-range or benchrest. Consistency is what it takes to win consistently. Annealed brass offers a brass case with a neck that is in the same condition consistently and that is annealed (returned to a softer condition with metals aligned properly and cracks reduced or removed.) Cases which aren't annealed can vary in hardness depending on the number of firings, method of resizing, measurement of resizing, etc, etc. That isn't consistent. Flyers are exponentially more likely using unannealed brass. With annealed brass you may see one or two flyers out of a 100 round group maintaining all other factors consistent in a custom rifle. There's a reason the Hall of Fame bench rest shooters and national competitors in F-Class anneal their brass after every firing. I wouldn't spend this much on an annealer (I bought the AMP Mk2 after doing flame annealing for a few years) unless I saw the difference it makes. My groups out of my custom rifle go from 1.5" to 0.75" MOA unannealed to anywhere from 0MOA to 0.1-0.2" annealed, at 100 yds. You might ask, well that's not a big deal. You're right it isn't, until I multiply those numbers by 10 for 1k yard competitions and 1.6 or greater for ELR. Then that X ring of 5" at 1k goes to the 8, 9, or 10 ring. One being winning matches and the other clapping for the winner. I'm not telling you that you need to buy a $1500 annealer, but I am saying it makes a difference and at least anneal with a drill and a propane torch until you get sick of it and decide this is a faster, safer option when you're annealing the same case out of 1000 case lot for the 15th time.
@@MrBryanJollie I think you meant the slime not the mold. I use walmart neon green additive for water cooling race bikes. It's been running for years in my water cooled PC.
I searched and tried others. Bought this and have been very pleased with this unit. Have done thousands of cases and all have been done right.
You’ve done a great job with your lighting! Excellent!
Thanks!
Nice work on the video. Just ordered this rig, and am looking forward to putting it to work. Gotta build the stand while waiting for unit to ship.Thanks Bryan and Jeff!
700F seems pretty low for a full anneal. For example, Annealing Made Perfect anneals a .243 case to 1000F in 3.4 seconds for full anneal.
It should be 750 degrees I believe.
I see a spot for a simple solenoid. Put the arm underside and pull it out from underneath at end of the time cycle.
That’s a great idea and could be controlled by the annie.
I’m glad I spent the extra money on my AMP annealer
why did they cheap out on the fans? they should be silent!
It's on a lift. Are you going to change the oil. Please don't tell me it's a transmission problem. Also, you're showing your age. In 1960 cycles (cps) was changed to Hertz to honor the man who discovered alternating current. Love your videos.
I am getting old....lol
There must be another way to drop the cases neck down into the induction coil so the annealed case can be "plucked" out by the right hand, a new case dropped in by the left hand and step on the foot switch and then repeat. I could imagine 30 - 45 cases a minute.... hummm....
20% assembled in the USA. they should take that made in the usa sticker off that thing.
How hard is it to get a metal pan? Serious question, because the video would have been 100% better if more prepared. I had an Annie and I interfaced it with my Giraud. It worked fine, but sold the setup to get an AMP. My Annie is from 2016 I think, and wasn't as refined as this unit you have. Probably not made in the USA at that time. Glad they brought it in-house.
The stands are NOT showing up on the fluxeon site.
Well things may have changed since a year ago. You can always goto amazon.
Lab Jack Scissor Stand Platform www.amazon.com/dp/B06XFVYMT3/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glc_fabc_HKl6FbTDZ844F
At $546 to over $1,000, it’s still out of my league. And it's now $362, was $268, I’ll likely go with the EP Integrations 2.0 Annealer.
Price went up due to a few things but the newer model is stronger and faster then the one I have. If I had the $$ I’d go with the AMP but I didn’t. I mostly didn’t want to have a torch running at my desk and this method is more consistent.
Where do you get the scissor lift and plans for the table
I got the scissor lift from Fluxeon and the table design was a buddy of mines. I believe Fluxeon actually got the plans from him and were going to manufacture one for sale as well on their website.
What thickness is the plexiglass and how tall is the table
I bought 1/2 inch plex and the table is 8 inches I believe
From the Annie website under the Warranty Section "How Long Does this Coverage Last
This limited warranty lasts for seven (7) years from the date of original purchase of this product. This is the realistic defined life of the product." You just spent something like $1400.00 that comes with a bundled death certificate??
We have both the Annie and Super Annie, considering how these unit works and exactly what they do and the volume you can do with them, 7 years is really good.
7 years of consistent neck tension is well worth $1400 for those of us who actually shoot. And it doesnt cost 1400. It costs half that.
Understanding the science behind electromagnetic induction heating, I have to ask, is the water cooling really necessary? Seems like an unnecessary added cost to the unit. ???
Other than that one question mark in my head...this looks awesome.
No it’s not necessary. But it does help keep it from getting hot with heavy use. If you are only doing a piece of brass every 10 seconds or so it would be ok. But for running a heavier workload it helps a lot.
As Bryan has stated as well, the efficiency of the Annie is increased so that a case can be done every 3 seconds by decreasing heat over all. Coming from a flame annealing background this Annie unit is small, powerful and much more accurately anneals than flame. Stows easier as well. Since each Annie goes through a rigorous build and testing process you have to be patient when ordering as nothing leaves Fluxeon till it is perfect period. Enjoy.
Helical inductions coils have to be water cooled for continued use. Otherwise, you will kill the induction board itself. If you use a Ferrite core for induction, it requires no water cooling. Also with a Ferrite core you’re using litz wire and not copper tubing.
@@jetthreat5000 The coil in use is copper tubing and water cooled. Yes, If you use a Ferrite core for induction, it requires no water cooling or is optional with litz wire. There is much going on here.
@ $546 to what, over $1,000, it’s still well out of my league.
@ just $362, right now, as it was only $268, I’ll likely go with the EP Integrations EP 2.0 Annealer.
Outstanding video Bryan. Thank you for crediting my design of the stand and putting it to good use. Really well done.
Jeffrey Sanford do you sell the stands?
@@hope121107 No. I am working soon on a new design that will be available directly from Fluxeon very soon. It will be compatible with all the Annie's in production. Should be available in a few weeks. I want the end user to have a one source shop and ship solution.
Jeffrey - are the plans for the stand available?
@@MrJeffreyTSanford Any updates on this? I see the scissors lifts on the Fluxeon site, but not the platform. Working on building one myself, but if I could buy one, ti would be much less hassel. Thanks!
@@gcoyle441 Call Fluxeon. He has all my designs.
How much life would you need to get out of brass to justify the cost. Thanks for the video tho, very informative and well done
That’s a really good question. My answer would be not so much in prolonging brass life, even though it does that, but the consistency in reloading the brass. Especially in working the neck. When you are wanting consistent sd’s it’s pretty important.
I agree with you but... how expensive a car does a person need to drive to work & to the grocery store? My car was just over $45K... so I guess it's relative to some....
I concur with Bryan Jollie. IMO Induction Annealing is Essential for competition shooting, where consistency is absolutely paramount but for hunters that just want extended brass life I’d go the salt bath method, with the right setup i believe is far more consistent than a gas burner system. I had a gas burner system & I hated using it, I looked at salt bath & I bought the AMP unit & I now anneal for other people so I’m getting a little bit back!
So there's more to annealing than just brass life. It's a common misunderstanding. Annealing changes the characteristics of neck tension in relation to holding the bullet over non-annealed cases. The Annealing Made Perfect folks did a lot of research on this and have it on their website. One thing that must be understood in competitive shooting long-range or benchrest. Consistency is what it takes to win consistently. Annealed brass offers a brass case with a neck that is in the same condition consistently and that is annealed (returned to a softer condition with metals aligned properly and cracks reduced or removed.) Cases which aren't annealed can vary in hardness depending on the number of firings, method of resizing, measurement of resizing, etc, etc. That isn't consistent. Flyers are exponentially more likely using unannealed brass. With annealed brass you may see one or two flyers out of a 100 round group maintaining all other factors consistent in a custom rifle. There's a reason the Hall of Fame bench rest shooters and national competitors in F-Class anneal their brass after every firing. I wouldn't spend this much on an annealer (I bought the AMP Mk2 after doing flame annealing for a few years) unless I saw the difference it makes. My groups out of my custom rifle go from 1.5" to 0.75" MOA unannealed to anywhere from 0MOA to 0.1-0.2" annealed, at 100 yds. You might ask, well that's not a big deal. You're right it isn't, until I multiply those numbers by 10 for 1k yard competitions and 1.6 or greater for ELR. Then that X ring of 5" at 1k goes to the 8, 9, or 10 ring. One being winning matches and the other clapping for the winner. I'm not telling you that you need to buy a $1500 annealer, but I am saying it makes a difference and at least anneal with a drill and a propane torch until you get sick of it and decide this is a faster, safer option when you're annealing the same case out of 1000 case lot for the 15th time.
Nice machine Bryan!
How "warm" does the litz wrapped concentrator coil get?
I havent seen any reviews of the litz coil method, is anyone using them?
With the water cooling it doesn't get very warm. I can touch it with my hands just a few seconds after annealing
Is it "Water" or something else like glycol?
additude obx it’s just distilled water and there is some pink stuff you add to keep out the mold.
@@MrBryanJollie I think you meant the slime not the mold. I use walmart neon green additive for water cooling race bikes. It's been running for years in my water cooled PC.
Great review, 👍
What is the price
For current prices look here fluxeon.com/product/annie-induction-annealer/
FL1800 Super Annie Induction Heater
$1,211.00 - $1,372.00 December 2020
12-1400 for a manual feed annealer? That’s stupid.
FL1800 Super Annie Induction Heater
$1,211.00 - $1,372.00 December 2020