Audio Engineer here. (apologies in advance) Two questions on this test: 1) Which output of the MOVEMIC RECEIVER did you connect to the 3.5mm to XLR cable adapter? [presumably you used the one labeled "out"] 2) what level setting did you have the receiver set at? -By default, the receiver output should be set at "Mic level" which has a signal strength of -24 dBV. The "Line level" setting is a much higher -6 dBV signal. Since you were going into the Zoom recorder using the 3.5mm TRS to XLR adapter, the Zoom input would need to be set for "Mic level" as well for best results. HOWEVER, if you set the MOVEMIC RECEIVER output to "Line level" and also set the ZOOM recorder "Line Level" there could a negative effect on the sound quality, because the Zoom recorder's "Line in" is rated for connection to a source with an impedance of 5 kΩ or more. The manual for the Shure MOVEMIC RECEIVER's somewhat ambiguously states the "Line out" specification as, "Minimum Load Impedance (Camera Out) 2k Ω." In theory, there should be no issue there. But, I have experienced more drastic hits on quality with even smaller impedance value differences. If you really want to do an apples-to-apples comparison, I would connect the 3.5mm outputs of the Shure and any other wireless mic in your round-up directly to a 3.5mm mic input on a camera. The Zoom recorder & 3.5mm to XLR adapter could very well be the culprit here.
I don't own any mic system, and don't intend to (or need to). But as I read your post, I both impressed by your apparent expertise and at the same time intimidated by the complexity of it. If I was NOT an audio engineer but wanted to buy a mic system, I would avoid at all costs a system that required me to understand what you're talking about in order for it to work. I suspect that many people want to buy a mic, have it work simply, and have it be nice quality. I'm impressed by your knowledge so please don't take any offense at my naive comment.
@@CostaMesaPhotography You are correct! Most companies currently making mics for use with prosumer camera systems (Rode, DJI, etc.) make them somewhat fool-proof (electronically) in order to accommodate the wide range of possible connection scenarios. Shure, being more or less the O.G. of microphone companies could/should have done better with this offering. As you say, it should just work.
"The Zoom recorder & 3.5mm to XLR adapter could very well be the culprit here". I agree on this. The whole test should've been done with a recorder with native 3,5mm line input. And the 32bit float doesn't add any value to the test. This is just unnecessary bad publicity for the Shure set, as many TH-camr's with higher knowledge on audio, has proven the Shure to be one of the best sounding mics in it's class.
You are actually right. The reason is Zoom recorder and adaptors used in test. I myself use Zoom H5 for my home records and found that there is a big difference when I use the headconnector with native 3.5mm and when I use the XLR adaptor on other channels. Even I have a more consumer model of Zoom, but the problem is almost identical.
It wasn't light years difference but the new ones sound like they had boosted mids and a little more presence while the old ones seemed scooped out and hollow. Interestingly when compared to the DJI, I preferred the DJI at a distance but the shure when it was super close. So go figure :)
I watched both of these reviews and then bought a MoveMic system anyhow, because I had trouble believing that Shure would put out as bad of a product as it sounds here. I'm a former audio engineer and something just seems off with gain staging or something on these tests. Plugged into a C70 at line level (with the c70 also set at line level) I'm finding the recording levels are a bit low, but they sound nothing like what I'm hearing here. It's crisp with a low noise floor, I can bring the audio levels up in post nicely and the speech preset brings a nice finished touch to interview audio. For comparison I'm usually using a Tentacle Sync and a Sanken Cos11d mic, so I know what decent lav audio sounds like. I've also used the new Rode wireless pro, and I think they sound pretty good, but shure seems to have a bit more headroom on peaks, better wireless processing overall, and the receiver and menu controls are much more intuitive. Also I can't emphasis how much nicer it looks with these little clips vs the square. For people who are watching this. I'm not saying Lee is lying, but this is simply not the experience I'm having with these mics. It's hard to believe that there isn't some flaw in the process. I'll gladly use these in most scenarios where I can monitor audio, especially for quick interview types of gigs. They've been rock solid, and very easy to work with. If that changes I'll update this comment.
Quick note I see on both videos. If you are using the 3.5mm output to a single XLR you get cancellation on all of the systems. And I hear that on all of them. I have the RODE system but I use a 3.5mm cable to dual XLR separating the channels as the 3.5mm output is a stereo output, not a mono output even if you sum the channels in the unit the out is actually stereo. Sending the same signal on both the tip and the ring with a common on the slave. So a single XLR is not getting the correct connection from the 3.5mm. You can check that cable method and you will note a much greater audio quality in any of the systems. Hope this helps you to really get the best result on any of them.
I don't get why you used the F6 instead of just going into a camera like most would actually use it. Not all mics work properly with a xlr to 3.5mm adapter like you used. I've tried many mics with such an adapter, some mics sound just like they should but some sound totally broken, like they don't use the full frequency spectrum. I think that's what your issues are caused by. Your shure sounds bad, there's no way it's broken, and it simply can't sound that bad. You should try using those mics like intended with a camera. Your results feel wrong and misleading, not from your side but more like wrong use
Patrick here, we use our mics in both applications, directly into a camera with 3.5mm cord and also into the F6 when recording multiple people or wanting 32bit float to salvage any loud mics that might occur. In my mind the more professional thing to do is use the F6 as fewer professionals think inputting the mics directly into the camera is professional. I don’t know what is going on with these tests but I’d prefer to err on the side of using an external recorder versus the gain staging of a prosumer camera. -P
@@FStoppersthe F6 and cable used for converting could be where the problem is though. Did you check with the other reviewers and see how they were recoding the audio? I also think in future reviews like this that the recoding method should be pointed out. This receiver and all the others in the original review are designed for on camera use. The hot shoe clip for mounting should be a dead giveaway… 😜
@@FStoppers I think what he means is if you put multiple wireless 2.4ghz transmitters with in inches of each other they can cause interference. In this second test you only had the Shure attached to you.
Your right but if your at a big event don't you want the mic system that would be less interfered with? I would I would stick with the industry leader DJI or Rode.
I prefer the sound of my Shure MoveMic to either my DJI's Mics or tmy similar R0DEs. No problem connecting. The Shure Movmic has nice choices of compression levels or flat and eq, should you want that. I reach for the Shure every time now based on how they sound.
Can you turn off the default compressor on the receiver? I understand your going "out of the box" config, but I agree that your audio doesn't sound as good as other reviews. I think the audio of this video is not great in general. The off-camera mic sounds really boomy, what are you using? The Shure mic was actually refreshing in a way, like I cleared some water out of my ears.
Shure usually puts out a good product but in this case I don't think they are the best for consumers. No internal recording, to expensive, and the receiver is not compact! Plus the mics and receiver have to be charged separately (Also did I mention no 32 bit float or 3.5 jack for Lav mic, but being so small I guess that will make up for that) at 500 no thanks.
I think something is wrong with your TRS to XLR connector. try to record to other device for example 1. use TYPE C and record straight to PC or to yout Smrtphone 2. record via OUT 3.5 TRS straight to 3.5 of your camera. Just to see if the result is diffrent from your recorder
I personally don’t like these new types of wireless kits I just stick to my trusted sennheiser g3 and g4 wireless kits Way better . From memory you can’t change frequencies on these kits right? So if you’re out shooting and someone else has the same kit will you have interference?
I wonder if the difference is input impedance on the recorder. XL connectors can obviously be used for mic or line, but will often have a lower impedance for mic inputs, because that reduces thermal noise. That could have an effect on distortion (sounding "low bit rate"), and bass response. The Shure receiver may not like driving a low impedance input.
This is why I think it's important to have audio people do audio reviews. This seems like user error. I reviewed the MoveMic on my channel and had completely different results. My opinions are similar to Curtis Judd's. Did you switch off the limiters, EQ, compressors, etc in the menu? I think you're also using an XLR adapter. Why not use the 3.5mm in on the F6. Also, 32 BITS have nothing to do with audio quality - only dynamic range. There are a lot of possible mistakes you've made doing this, and an audio professional would immediately understand what's going on. But, there is still some value in this review. It seems the MoveMic is not plug n play. This is something I overlooked in my own review. Newbs might have some difficulty with this system. I never considered that. I just set it up and away I went without considering the possibility that less experienced users may not fully understand what all these settings do.
The low bitrate/heavily processed audio quality was the first thing I noticed when I saw Shure's live Q&A when they released the product. It is a shame, because this product has some neat features. The direct to phone connection would make it a great everyday carry for emergency recordings ect.
@@INFOXlive We might be on to something.... I dont think SHURE would release something this bad for more money.. I use SHURE products in Broadcast and never ran into this problem... even consumer products sound good from SHURE but not this one...
@@360MIX, seems odd for sure. Until he has not made comparisons between different presets, I don’t believe that mic has poor sound. Sample in video sound processed. Processing is meant for extreme conditions, for audio recovery.
I'm not an audio nerd by any means, but I also have the F6 specifically for the 32-bit float capabilities which come in handy with recording music instruments and dialogue. Did you record it 32 or 24-bit mode? I wonder could that somehow hinder it's capabilities. Also, did you try a different recorder? When the Shure is close to the mouth it has this broadcast sound quality, seems like it's picking up more of the sibilance. To my ears the Rode was best from your previous video. However, I couldn't really tell the difference from the Shure and Rode in the Curtis Judd video. Audio in general can be a difficult beast to tame.
I suspect the relationship between cable/adapter and levels and maybe even phantom power between the mic and the recorder because I've had similar issues with lav mics and recorders in the past. (In my case switching to a Deity 3.5mm > XLR adapter cleared up the issue.)
I've got the Shure Movemic reciever kit 2, and out of all the wireless lav microphones that ive got here (about 35 plus sets ) including the DJI Mic 2 and the Rode, and the Shure Movemic receiver kit 2 was by far the best, and kicked both Rode and DJI out of the water ..... so far the Shure Movemic 2 are without a doubt the best microphones yet, and the only wireless lav microphones that I've not tested, are the Saramonic BlickMe B2, Hollyland Lark M2 and the Hollyland Lark Max (these 3 are still on my wish list) ...... Maybe its the device that your using, perhaps try them out on a range of devices like I do on my other separate YT Tech channel that I do
I have had great sounding microphones sound like ass when there is a impedance mismatch. Mic vs line vs instrument level Etc... Perhaps look at setting on your recorder for those different choices. My high end Transformer balanced Neve pre-amps sound good with any microphone choice. Cheaper ones, not so much. I just ordered one and will try it through my Sound Devices MixPre-10 II and the Neve! :)
*Not* a consumer device. I picked up a MoveMic system a few days ago to cover some solo run-and-gun standup interviews. I got through the day (barely) but the useability of these Shure mics is awful when compared to the other wireless systems you’ve reviewed. During initial setup the two transmitters paired with the receiver no problem. Yet half way through my shoot one of the mics dropped off the receiver and I could not get it to pair again. I did the rest of the shoot with one mic. Not good. After I got home and had a chance to find the reset instructions, I did reconnect the transmitter. But there’s no excuse for a $500.00 mic system to be that finicky! And then this morning I started testing one of the mics with my iPhone (and what a pain to have to reset the transmitter so you can use it temporarily with the phone) after which no matter what I did the receiver would not recognize the mic at all even after multiple resets. I’m now running a firmware update (the Shure approach to that feels like a throwback to the 90s! - complicated and slow). Maybe it will work better, but my first instinct is to send it all back for a refund. And regardless, this is not a product design which will tend to trip people up. For most watching this video the DJI or Rode will be a much better choice!
It’s your recording device. The Shure doesn’t record at 32 bit float, record to your phone, with both systems and give it a listen. When you have DSP like Shure do, then 32 bit float is not necessary really.
Testing mics can be very subjective. So many things factor into how something will sound. First and foremost is the frequency response of the mic. Then at least dozens of other things in how the mic captures the audio, the environment, and each individual's voice. Then how we are watching/listening to the video. Curtis is the best in the business when it comes to audio. He's very straightforward and transparent in his reviews. He has a "system" of sorts depending on the piece of equipment. Not necessarily in a real world use case however. So, while his Shures might have sounded fine compared to yours, that doesn't make it better or worse. I didn't get the impression that the newer pair of Shures you got sounded lower quality at all. Just about any mic, regardless of type and cost, can sound just fine to the average person. Case in point, I bought my lavaliers several years ago. They were described as "Hands Free Computer Clip on Mini Lapel Microphone." I bought 2 for $10 and then 5 for $6.50 a couple years later. I honestly don't know exactly which one I use, but each set is slightly different aurally than the other. It took years of on and off experimentation and learning more about audio (Curtis Judd was a big resource), but now I'd argue that my audio sounds just as good as someone else's $100+ mic. At least to the average person. I'm sure in a side--by-side comparison, the more expensive mic will sound better raw, but maybe not. While you want a mic that best suits your voice and use case and requires the least amount of work to make is sound how you want. If your normal videos are always produced in the same environment, then once you got the EQ, and other audio sweetening, down, it's just a matter of doing the same thing every time. What's important to me in your review is functionality versus others and reliability. Internal recording would be important to me as well as being able to use any lavalier mic. 32-bit float is the icing on the cake. I don't care about wireless in how I make my videos.
Some of the range test could be variables that you have no control over. Microwave, solar burst, electromagnetic? Since the range test was not repeatable there had to be another variable overlooked.
While Jordan said he liked the shure's sound, watching the video most of us in the comments agreed it wasn't great. So I still think it stands that it is the worst sounding of the bunch. DJI mic 2 is the sweet spot with performance and price IMO.
Think the Shure sounded as you said. But when you placed it higher on your shirt it sounded amazing. Better than the DJI 2 and I have the Mic 2. So what I'd say to Shure is that it's something to do with your voice projection in relation to the capsule. Your voice is strong and I've seen this happening before. But one thing I would suggest is update the units ASAP and get internal recording in the TXs and 32 bit float if possible. Shure are a great company so this is an odd one. 😮😮
It's really weird. I agree it sounds really bad also in other videos I've seen. I wonder how this made it to a released product. I would like to hear how it sound after adding some editing to the voice
I saw the other reviews who liked the Shure audio quality and I was baffled with the discrepancy. Maybe they are in an acoustic treated room or they sweetened the audio? But I've noticed this a lot for these wireless mics. In one review they sound great and the next they sound bad. Btw, the DJI also sounded thin and not good...
I would eliminate variables. I would plug the receiver directly into the camera. Use the cord that came with the replacement unit to eliminate a bad cord. It could be the zoom f6, the XLR to 3.5mm or the old cord from the receiver to the recorder.
Maybe we can argue about old vs new Shure in sound quality, but DJI was the best sounding by far at 1/2 the price, that is the real takeaway of this review.
On my laptop speakers the Shure's sound the most like radio mics (SM7B, EVRE20, ect). Maybe good as redundancy for a podcast, but I agree, they do not sound natural.
Seems that Shure don't know what usability is, and they will fail major because of that. SM58 is fantastic and some other mics are fantastic, but they don't require usability
They do not sound the same at all...listening on Genelec 8340. The new one sounds better....though both of them sounds meh compared to professional equipment (Wisycom, Sanken)
He is the best test subject. Most Consumers will be just like this, plug and play. Shure should have had a better test group of potential buyers of today’s market, this looks like Shure had a bunch on “YES MEN” pleasing some Board of Directors about getting into this Market Space. 😅 Disappointing
I’m a big fan of Lee, but I do agree this is a bad review.There are so many unanswered and unasked questions, it’s very unsatisfying. Lee acts like he wants it to just work and this undermines the feeling that he has given the device a fair review; it’s important to convey authority and diligence and this review doesn’t.
You and all your referenced videos are just dudes reviewing how their own voice sounds to themself. Yeah, if you're a really well trained vocal artist and audio engineer that might be enough to draw more general comparisons based on your experience, but for all y'all this is a finger to the wind vibes check. You need to record different people's, and different types of people's voices for comparison. Generally I've appreciated the tests, but disagreed with conclusions. Different setups are going to work differently with different voices. It's really disappointing to look up mic sound tests and the results are dozens of white dudes navel gazing at their own voice with little to no diversity.
The newer Shure mic sound crisper to me with better clarity in the high end. The older one does sound muffled. The difference between the DJI and the Shure is that the DJI sounds like it is mid range boosted or the highs and lows have been rolled off, where as the Shure sound like it is flatter eq where the entire frequency range is included.
He is the best test subject. Most Consumers will be just like this, plug and play. Shure should have had a better test group of potential buyers of today’s market, this looks like Shure had a bunch on “YES MEN” pleasing some Board of Directors about getting into this Market Space. 😅 Disappointing
What is it with you and not being able to review microphones? First with the Sennseiser UHF system, where you had less range than 2.4 ghz systems (against laws of physics, the actual real world experience of any user, or even Sennheiser themselves), and now this mess? The mic clearly works with other reviewers; Its clear the problem lies with you. I will skip any mic review here from now, people like Curtis Judd are not only much more knowledgeable in audio, but also have consistent reviews with no such problems. Maybe focus on your core competencies, because audio is clearly not it.
@@FStoppers Maybe just stop reviewing audio gear if you get results that are clearly not representative of what people more experienced as audio professionals get? Instead of putting the onus on the viewer? Because this does no one any favor, not the viewer, not you. If this happens once like with the UHF system, it can be a fluke, but again? Something on your end has to be the problem. Some special, very unique interference? Special combination of devices? Or everyone else is just lucky or lying (i very much doubt that).
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Audio Engineer here. (apologies in advance) Two questions on this test: 1) Which output of the MOVEMIC RECEIVER did you connect to the 3.5mm to XLR cable adapter? [presumably you used the one labeled "out"] 2) what level setting did you have the receiver set at? -By default, the receiver output should be set at "Mic level" which has a signal strength of -24 dBV. The "Line level" setting is a much higher -6 dBV signal. Since you were going into the Zoom recorder using the 3.5mm TRS to XLR adapter, the Zoom input would need to be set for "Mic level" as well for best results. HOWEVER, if you set the MOVEMIC RECEIVER output to "Line level" and also set the ZOOM recorder "Line Level" there could a negative effect on the sound quality, because the Zoom recorder's "Line in" is rated for connection to a source with an impedance of 5 kΩ or more. The manual for the Shure MOVEMIC RECEIVER's somewhat ambiguously states the "Line out" specification as, "Minimum Load Impedance (Camera Out) 2k Ω." In theory, there should be no issue there. But, I have experienced more drastic hits on quality with even smaller impedance value differences. If you really want to do an apples-to-apples comparison, I would connect the 3.5mm outputs of the Shure and any other wireless mic in your round-up directly to a 3.5mm mic input on a camera. The Zoom recorder & 3.5mm to XLR adapter could very well be the culprit here.
I don't own any mic system, and don't intend to (or need to). But as I read your post, I both impressed by your apparent expertise and at the same time intimidated by the complexity of it. If I was NOT an audio engineer but wanted to buy a mic system, I would avoid at all costs a system that required me to understand what you're talking about in order for it to work. I suspect that many people want to buy a mic, have it work simply, and have it be nice quality. I'm impressed by your knowledge so please don't take any offense at my naive comment.
@@CostaMesaPhotography You are correct! Most companies currently making mics for use with prosumer camera systems (Rode, DJI, etc.) make them somewhat fool-proof (electronically) in order to accommodate the wide range of possible connection scenarios. Shure, being more or less the O.G. of microphone companies could/should have done better with this offering. As you say, it should just work.
"The Zoom recorder & 3.5mm to XLR adapter could very well be the culprit here". I agree on this. The whole test should've been done with a recorder with native 3,5mm line input. And the 32bit float doesn't add any value to the test. This is just unnecessary bad publicity for the Shure set, as many TH-camr's with higher knowledge on audio, has proven the Shure to be one of the best sounding mics in it's class.
You are actually right. The reason is Zoom recorder and adaptors used in test. I myself use Zoom H5 for my home records and found that there is a big difference when I use the headconnector with native 3.5mm and when I use the XLR adaptor on other channels. Even I have a more consumer model of Zoom, but the problem is almost identical.
@@JSwift2012 glad someone was able to confirm this! - You! 👏👏👏
Hey I ordered the Shure Movemic off Amazon and tried it out. What I recorded sounds much better and louder than this video.
same. my quality is way better directly to an iphone through bluetooth. no transmitter
It wasn't light years difference but the new ones sound like they had boosted mids and a little more presence while the old ones seemed scooped out and hollow. Interestingly when compared to the DJI, I preferred the DJI at a distance but the shure when it was super close. So go figure :)
I had the same thoughts
I watched both of these reviews and then bought a MoveMic system anyhow, because I had trouble believing that Shure would put out as bad of a product as it sounds here. I'm a former audio engineer and something just seems off with gain staging or something on these tests. Plugged into a C70 at line level (with the c70 also set at line level) I'm finding the recording levels are a bit low, but they sound nothing like what I'm hearing here. It's crisp with a low noise floor, I can bring the audio levels up in post nicely and the speech preset brings a nice finished touch to interview audio. For comparison I'm usually using a Tentacle Sync and a Sanken Cos11d mic, so I know what decent lav audio sounds like. I've also used the new Rode wireless pro, and I think they sound pretty good, but shure seems to have a bit more headroom on peaks, better wireless processing overall, and the receiver and menu controls are much more intuitive. Also I can't emphasis how much nicer it looks with these little clips vs the square.
For people who are watching this. I'm not saying Lee is lying, but this is simply not the experience I'm having with these mics. It's hard to believe that there isn't some flaw in the process. I'll gladly use these in most scenarios where I can monitor audio, especially for quick interview types of gigs. They've been rock solid, and very easy to work with. If that changes I'll update this comment.
Quick note I see on both videos. If you are using the 3.5mm output to a single XLR you get cancellation on all of the systems. And I hear that on all of them. I have the RODE system but I use a 3.5mm cable to dual XLR separating the channels as the 3.5mm output is a stereo output, not a mono output even if you sum the channels in the unit the out is actually stereo. Sending the same signal on both the tip and the ring with a common on the slave. So a single XLR is not getting the correct connection from the 3.5mm. You can check that cable method and you will note a much greater audio quality in any of the systems. Hope this helps you to really get the best result on any of them.
Aha ! problem solved ... thanks for your post ! Has been driving me to distraction trying to figure out why they sounded so bad !
whaat - sound identical, old and new? The new one does sound def better to me. More open; less muffled somehow.
The Shure mic sounds like it has aggressive noise cancellation going on.
Did you test presets? It comes with speech, singing and flat modes. You might have processing on. Try flat mode.
I don't get why you used the F6 instead of just going into a camera like most would actually use it.
Not all mics work properly with a xlr to 3.5mm adapter like you used.
I've tried many mics with such an adapter, some mics sound just like they should but some sound totally broken, like they don't use the full frequency spectrum.
I think that's what your issues are caused by.
Your shure sounds bad, there's no way it's broken, and it simply can't sound that bad.
You should try using those mics like intended with a camera.
Your results feel wrong and misleading, not from your side but more like wrong use
Patrick here, we use our mics in both applications, directly into a camera with 3.5mm cord and also into the F6 when recording multiple people or wanting 32bit float to salvage any loud mics that might occur.
In my mind the more professional thing to do is use the F6 as fewer professionals think inputting the mics directly into the camera is professional. I don’t know what is going on with these tests but I’d prefer to err on the side of using an external recorder versus the gain staging of a prosumer camera. -P
@@FStoppersthe F6 and cable used for converting could be where the problem is though. Did you check with the other reviewers and see how they were recoding the audio?
I also think in future reviews like this that the recoding method should be pointed out.
This receiver and all the others in the original review are designed for on camera use. The hot shoe clip for mounting should be a dead giveaway… 😜
Will you be testing the Lark M2 wireless mics?
The range was better because none of these consumer systems are designed to be used right next to each other.
Probably, but interference is around us all the time, especially in real world paid gigs so I would argue my first test was more realistic.
Exactly my first thought ...
@@FStoppers I think what he means is if you put multiple wireless 2.4ghz transmitters with in inches of each other they can cause interference. In this second test you only had the Shure attached to you.
Your right but if your at a big event don't you want the mic system that would be less interfered with? I would I would stick with the industry leader DJI or Rode.
@@Mikephotos Go with something professional then ... UMF. All these consumer grade wireless mics are prone to intererence.
I prefer the sound of my Shure MoveMic to either my DJI's Mics or tmy similar R0DEs. No problem connecting. The Shure Movmic has nice choices of compression levels or flat and eq, should you want that. I reach for the Shure every time now based on how they sound.
After watching his wireless headphones comparison it is clear that his ears are not like ours. Lol
Can you turn off the default compressor on the receiver? I understand your going "out of the box" config, but I agree that your audio doesn't sound as good as other reviews. I think the audio of this video is not great in general. The off-camera mic sounds really boomy, what are you using? The Shure mic was actually refreshing in a way, like I cleared some water out of my ears.
Hi! Can you please check Hollyland Lark Max microphone system ?
Shure usually puts out a good product but in this case I don't think they are the best for consumers. No internal recording, to expensive, and the receiver is not compact! Plus the mics and receiver have to be charged separately (Also did I mention no 32 bit float or 3.5 jack for Lav mic, but being so small I guess that will make up for that) at 500 no thanks.
In this video, the Shure sounds a lot better!
wireless go 2 can do internal recording as well just not 32bit. But totally fine for me.
What mic did you use to record this video? Because that’s the one that sounds the best.
I think something is wrong with your TRS to XLR connector. try to record to other device for example
1. use TYPE C and record straight to PC or to yout Smrtphone
2. record via OUT 3.5 TRS straight to 3.5 of your camera.
Just to see if the result is diffrent from your recorder
I personally don’t like these new types of wireless kits
I just stick to my trusted sennheiser g3 and g4 wireless kits
Way better .
From memory you can’t change frequencies on these kits right? So if you’re out shooting and someone else has the same kit will you have interference?
Though maybe not a "main system", the Ulanzi AM18 does indeed have onboard recording for each wireless mic just like the Rode and DJI wireless mics.
I wonder if the difference is input impedance on the recorder. XL connectors can obviously be used for mic or line, but will often have a lower impedance for mic inputs, because that reduces thermal noise. That could have an effect on distortion (sounding "low bit rate"), and bass response. The Shure receiver may not like driving a low impedance input.
That's the second mic sent to you with production issues DJzi mic 2 now Shure mic
Maybe we need an A/B test of Lee v1 versus Lee v2.
Did you test the mic with the receiver plugged directly into the camera?
I listened with headphones to this test and i am sorry to say but i think the Shure sounds better than the DJI
One reviewer mentioned, that a firmware update is necessary right away.
This is why I think it's important to have audio people do audio reviews. This seems like user error. I reviewed the MoveMic on my channel and had completely different results. My opinions are similar to Curtis Judd's. Did you switch off the limiters, EQ, compressors, etc in the menu? I think you're also using an XLR adapter. Why not use the 3.5mm in on the F6. Also, 32 BITS have nothing to do with audio quality - only dynamic range. There are a lot of possible mistakes you've made doing this, and an audio professional would immediately understand what's going on.
But, there is still some value in this review. It seems the MoveMic is not plug n play. This is something I overlooked in my own review. Newbs might have some difficulty with this system. I never considered that. I just set it up and away I went without considering the possibility that less experienced users may not fully understand what all these settings do.
The low bitrate/heavily processed audio quality was the first thing I noticed when I saw Shure's live Q&A when they released the product. It is a shame, because this product has some neat features. The direct to phone connection would make it a great everyday carry for emergency recordings ect.
Did the Shure mic have noise cancellation on? thats what it sounds like... muffiled old walkie talkie feel to the sound....
Yes, seems like some preset is applied.
@@INFOXlive We might be on to something.... I dont think SHURE would release something this bad for more money.. I use SHURE products in Broadcast and never ran into this problem... even consumer products sound good from SHURE but not this one...
@@360MIX, seems odd for sure. Until he has not made comparisons between different presets, I don’t believe that mic has poor sound. Sample in video sound processed. Processing is meant for extreme conditions, for audio recovery.
I'm not an audio nerd by any means, but I also have the F6 specifically for the 32-bit float capabilities which come in handy with recording music instruments and dialogue. Did you record it 32 or 24-bit mode? I wonder could that somehow hinder it's capabilities. Also, did you try a different recorder? When the Shure is close to the mouth it has this broadcast sound quality, seems like it's picking up more of the sibilance. To my ears the Rode was best from your previous video. However, I couldn't really tell the difference from the Shure and Rode in the Curtis Judd video. Audio in general can be a difficult beast to tame.
32. And all the mics were recorded the same way.
I suspect the relationship between cable/adapter and levels and maybe even phantom power between the mic and the recorder because I've had similar issues with lav mics and recorders in the past. (In my case switching to a Deity 3.5mm > XLR adapter cleared up the issue.)
I've got the Shure Movemic reciever kit 2, and out of all the wireless lav microphones that ive got here (about 35 plus sets ) including the DJI Mic 2 and the Rode, and the Shure Movemic receiver kit 2 was by far the best, and kicked both Rode and DJI out of the water ..... so far the Shure Movemic 2 are without a doubt the best microphones yet, and the only wireless lav microphones that I've not tested, are the Saramonic BlickMe B2, Hollyland Lark M2 and the Hollyland Lark Max (these 3 are still on my wish list) ...... Maybe its the device that your using, perhaps try them out on a range of devices like I do on my other separate YT Tech channel that I do
I have had great sounding microphones sound like ass when there is a impedance mismatch. Mic vs line vs instrument level Etc... Perhaps look at setting on your recorder for those different choices. My high end Transformer balanced Neve pre-amps sound good with any microphone choice. Cheaper ones, not so much.
I just ordered one and will try it through my Sound Devices MixPre-10 II and the Neve! :)
*Not* a consumer device. I picked up a MoveMic system a few days ago to cover some solo run-and-gun standup interviews. I got through the day (barely) but the useability of these Shure mics is awful when compared to the other wireless systems you’ve reviewed. During initial setup the two transmitters paired with the receiver no problem. Yet half way through my shoot one of the mics dropped off the receiver and I could not get it to pair again. I did the rest of the shoot with one mic. Not good. After I got home and had a chance to find the reset instructions, I did reconnect the transmitter. But there’s no excuse for a $500.00 mic system to be that finicky! And then this morning I started testing one of the mics with my iPhone (and what a pain to have to reset the transmitter so you can use it temporarily with the phone) after which no matter what I did the receiver would not recognize the mic at all even after multiple resets. I’m now running a firmware update (the Shure approach to that feels like a throwback to the 90s! - complicated and slow). Maybe it will work better, but my first instinct is to send it all back for a refund. And regardless, this is not a product design which will tend to trip people up. For most watching this video the DJI or Rode will be a much better choice!
It’s your recording device. The Shure doesn’t record at 32 bit float, record to your phone, with both systems and give it a listen. When you have DSP like Shure do, then 32 bit float is not necessary really.
Hey! My question is, what mic did you use for your main audio on this video? LOL
As a result of your previous review, went ahead and ordered the DJI Mic 2s. Nothing comes close.
Testing mics can be very subjective. So many things factor into how something will sound. First and foremost is the frequency response of the mic. Then at least dozens of other things in how the mic captures the audio, the environment, and each individual's voice. Then how we are watching/listening to the video.
Curtis is the best in the business when it comes to audio. He's very straightforward and transparent in his reviews. He has a "system" of sorts depending on the piece of equipment. Not necessarily in a real world use case however. So, while his Shures might have sounded fine compared to yours, that doesn't make it better or worse. I didn't get the impression that the newer pair of Shures you got sounded lower quality at all.
Just about any mic, regardless of type and cost, can sound just fine to the average person. Case in point, I bought my lavaliers several years ago. They were described as "Hands Free Computer Clip on Mini Lapel Microphone." I bought 2 for $10 and then 5 for $6.50 a couple years later. I honestly don't know exactly which one I use, but each set is slightly different aurally than the other. It took years of on and off experimentation and learning more about audio (Curtis Judd was a big resource), but now I'd argue that my audio sounds just as good as someone else's $100+ mic. At least to the average person. I'm sure in a side--by-side comparison, the more expensive mic will sound better raw, but maybe not.
While you want a mic that best suits your voice and use case and requires the least amount of work to make is sound how you want. If your normal videos are always produced in the same environment, then once you got the EQ, and other audio sweetening, down, it's just a matter of doing the same thing every time. What's important to me in your review is functionality versus others and reliability. Internal recording would be important to me as well as being able to use any lavalier mic. 32-bit float is the icing on the cake. I don't care about wireless in how I make my videos.
My MV-TWO-Z6 also have connection problem. The SHURE dont test it before selling?
Baby tools 😂 Deity Theos 👍🏼
Are you sure you didn’t accidentally have it set up to transmit over Bluetooth?
Some of the range test could be variables that you have no control over. Microwave, solar burst, electromagnetic? Since the range test was not repeatable there had to be another variable overlooked.
While Jordan said he liked the shure's sound, watching the video most of us in the comments agreed it wasn't great. So I still think it stands that it is the worst sounding of the bunch. DJI mic 2 is the sweet spot with performance and price IMO.
Did you have Lo Cut set on the DJI Mic2 or accidentally switched on DJI's noise reduction?
I can tell the older mic sounded different than the newer mic. Perhaps comparing both as files in Audition would be better, less subjective.
Your correct. The DJI sounds bright ,the Shure sounds dull. You've done a good test,i wouldn't take it any further 👍
That was me in the white Beamer coming to kick your butt for diss'n a Shure!
Think the Shure sounded as you said. But when you placed it higher on your shirt it sounded amazing. Better than the DJI 2 and I have the Mic 2. So what I'd say to Shure is that it's something to do with your voice projection in relation to the capsule. Your voice is strong and I've seen this happening before. But one thing I would suggest is update the units ASAP and get internal recording in the TXs and 32 bit float if possible. Shure are a great company so this is an odd one. 😮😮
07:28 Why did you loose connection on your last video:?: Its because a blue BMW car got in-front of the signal....
For the price they’re charging for this thing, it ought to be damn near perfect. And I have 3 shure mics at home that I love -- no way I’d buy this.
The new one definitely sounds better even on crappy PC speakers, but not great overall.
It's really weird. I agree it sounds really bad also in other videos I've seen. I wonder how this made it to a released product.
I would like to hear how it sound after adding some editing to the voice
Completely unrelated but I loved the picture and sound of this video. Would like to know what gear you used!
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I saw the other reviews who liked the Shure audio quality and I was baffled with the discrepancy. Maybe they are in an acoustic treated room or they sweetened the audio? But I've noticed this a lot for these wireless mics. In one review they sound great and the next they sound bad. Btw, the DJI also sounded thin and not good...
I would eliminate variables. I would plug the receiver directly into the camera. Use the cord that came with the replacement unit to eliminate a bad cord.
It could be the zoom f6, the XLR to 3.5mm or the old cord from the receiver to the recorder.
Leave audio reviews to audio guys, I almost didn't get these because of ur uneducated review. In Curtis we trust
Maybe we can argue about old vs new Shure in sound quality, but DJI was the best sounding by far at 1/2 the price, that is the real takeaway of this review.
The Shure sounds best when compared to the DJI
On my laptop speakers the Shure's sound the most like radio mics (SM7B, EVRE20, ect). Maybe good as redundancy for a podcast, but I agree, they do not sound natural.
Thanks for the update
Did you know about the solar storm last weekend?
Running them both that close together won't help the situation
The shure is slightly low quantity
The Comica Boom-X Pro also has internal recording.
The ionosphere caused the success on the second attempt, as the first attempt took place during the daytime.
Seems that Shure don't know what usability is, and they will fail major because of that. SM58 is fantastic and some other mics are fantastic, but they don't require usability
They do not sound the same at all...listening on Genelec 8340. The new one sounds better....though both of them sounds meh compared to professional equipment (Wisycom, Sanken)
It still sounds very bad. I'm glad i bought the dji after watching your review.
He is the best test subject. Most Consumers will be just like this, plug and play. Shure should have had a better test group of potential buyers of today’s market, this looks like Shure had a bunch on “YES MEN” pleasing some Board of Directors about getting into this Market Space. 😅
Disappointing
4:00 NO, they sound very different to me!
I'm waiting for Patrick's mac endeavor
You never did respond back to me. At your last video on mics 😔
Great that you are repeating the tests over and over again. I guess the lesson of the day if get internal recording.
Dude the older you get, the more I think you should've also been a professional actor.
I’m a big fan of Lee, but I do agree this is a bad review.There are so many unanswered and unasked questions, it’s very unsatisfying. Lee acts like he wants it to just work and this undermines the feeling that he has given the device a fair review; it’s important to convey authority and diligence and this review doesn’t.
I am so sorry to say but these Shure mics sound really bad. DJI’s aren’t sounding that great either
You had issues with dji mic and now a shure mic 😅..... I think its a human error 😂😂 ✌️😂😅
People calling shure's quality as best have wax in their ears lmao.
For a microphone , it sounds too dull and low. 👎
You and all your referenced videos are just dudes reviewing how their own voice sounds to themself.
Yeah, if you're a really well trained vocal artist and audio engineer that might be enough to draw more general comparisons based on your experience, but for all y'all this is a finger to the wind vibes check.
You need to record different people's, and different types of people's voices for comparison.
Generally I've appreciated the tests, but disagreed with conclusions.
Different setups are going to work differently with different voices. It's really disappointing to look up mic sound tests and the results are dozens of white dudes navel gazing at their own voice with little to no diversity.
The newer Shure mic sound crisper to me with better clarity in the high end. The older one does sound muffled. The difference between the DJI and the Shure is that the DJI sounds like it is mid range boosted or the highs and lows have been rolled off, where as the Shure sound like it is flatter eq where the entire frequency range is included.
Please stop reviewing audio gear. You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about..
He is the best test subject. Most Consumers will be just like this, plug and play. Shure should have had a better test group of potential buyers of today’s market, this looks like Shure had a bunch on “YES MEN” pleasing some Board of Directors about getting into this Market Space. 😅
Disappointing
You clearly missed the point, if this guy who isn’t stupid can’t figure it out then it’s too complex for the market it’s aimed at.
Both bad. Terrible mics. Shure should be ashamed of this product
That shure is trash. I expected more from them. Smh
What is it with you and not being able to review microphones? First with the Sennseiser UHF system, where you had less range than 2.4 ghz systems (against laws of physics, the actual real world experience of any user, or even Sennheiser themselves), and now this mess?
The mic clearly works with other reviewers; Its clear the problem lies with you. I will skip any mic review here from now, people like Curtis Judd are not only much more knowledgeable in audio, but also have consistent reviews with no such problems.
Maybe focus on your core competencies, because audio is clearly not it.
Wow.......😅
You’re right. The Shure MoveMic 2 is clearly the best and you should spend $500 on it.
@@FStoppers No introspection why your review is totally opposite to reviews by actual audio professionals?
I thought.
Thanks for proving my point.
@@TDCIYB77I literally told you and showed you exactly what I was doing in my tests. You tell me what I did wrong.
@@FStoppers Maybe just stop reviewing audio gear if you get results that are clearly not representative of what people more experienced as audio professionals get?
Instead of putting the onus on the viewer?
Because this does no one any favor, not the viewer, not you.
If this happens once like with the UHF system, it can be a fluke, but again?
Something on your end has to be the problem.
Some special, very unique interference? Special combination of devices?
Or everyone else is just lucky or lying (i very much doubt that).
So, Shure must have reached out and either threatened or offered a carrot for the change of heart. GTFOH!
did you even watch the video? u sound dumb lol