If anything the ult seems far better, the kit allows him to get close very fast, and his potential to target more then one person makes his ult harder to counter
@@mdrago2098 idk, the point of skarner ult was to make picks and lock down high priority targets. You can’t really that if people can just dash/flash out of it now
@@tuckerspradley9592 people could always go QSS and counter it, hence why later during the game the ult became more useless, with this there's more potential plays in combo with e that would make the game more winnable. Not to mention if you want to lock down a high priority target, there are currently many other champs that already do that far better then old skarner.
@@mdrago2098 Forcing the biggest threat on the enemy team to waste gold and an item slot a QSS to not die (and still having a shorter ult cd than the cd on qss) is already a huge W Every other suppression an ally can save you from by stunning because they're channeled, and also don't potentially drag you out of position.
looks pretty nice the color palette on base skin is good (splashart made him look a little like a rugby player to me) his E seems to give him some extra earlygame agency Skarner top seems dead though
skarner top should be dead anyway. right now it's just a cheesepick. maybe skarner top is somewhat viable if it can clear waves/poke well enough with q. looks like a lot of burst and he is hard to gank, since he can hide in the wall and/or layer a ton of cc under turret.
As Skarner Top Main I can say that skarner top is absolutely fine. This rework should work in top too. I can see some E angles on the wall and the ult can make it easier to hit a good E
i like watching for nemesis thoughts but man do streamer chats give me aids whenever something like this comes out, silvers who can barely replicate an iota of what is happening on their screen half the time spamming riot and 200 years after every sentence uttered with 0 thought. Exhausting cycle of thoughtlessness to read/be around after a certain point, for me at least
@adamskvorak6865 people like them are why riot doesn't take the community seriously when there's an actual problem like yuumi or ksante, since so many people complain about every champ in the game. The community bitching is the standard for every champ, so the real problems don't seem as bad.
@@adamskvorak6865 like at least wait for that shit to be in your games before you start mindlessly hating lmao how do they not understand they literally know nothing about this champion in actual practice to be coming to conclusions by watching this or any video alone. It's like they have an premade idea of what they think is the champion , and then use the streamer's opinions to find common ground and validate themselves into just saying shit, even when thats not what the streamer is saying at all. Like how Nemesis said skarner looks easy, but these chatters will process that as him saying it's broken
Honestly this rework looks really great. His strength at this stage will entirely depend on what his numbers are like though, and it does seem like another bruiser that just stacks tenacity and tries to dive squishies all game in the same way a sett or volibear does.
No he actually seems best suited as a protector. He has so many easy to hit spells on divers trying to hit your backline. His w e is also basically undodgable, when you stand in his face. I think he is gonna play a lot like a poppy, but he is probably better with higher range comps, because his Q brings him some neutralgame poke. That also helps other poke champs hit skills, while his lockdown in a poke comp, basically always means a free kill. Poppy is still the better wall for tons of dashes though.
@@tomwanders6022 I respectfully disagree. Anti-dive / anti-engage is not favoured in the meta (or most previous) and no bruiser/tank builds to play that way. The damage and mobility creep means that the first team to get caught out always loses regardless of their disengage tools. You brought up Poppy interestingly enough. Most Poppys I see spend their time roaming, splitting, and looking to stat-check opponents. She uses her ult to divide the enemy team so they are outnumbered, or for extra burst. Even a champion like Galio, builds full ap and asks teammates to dive for aggressive ults rather than saving it to turn a fight elsewhere on the map.
@@seamusrichardson5601 I see him more of a Bruiser/Tank hybrid since he deals a lot of damage since his Q and E damage scale with health AND all of his spells (except Passive) have some type of CC.
I really like the rework at first glance. The q is still simple, the w is simple, the e really allows for creative ganks and invades, and the R is still effectively the same but more counterplay against it and aoe utility for Skarner. I like it a lot.
he's less flashy wombo combo and more catching people in bad positions I feel, and he's more of an actual brawler compared to rell who does 0 damage so even when he runs out of hard CC he'll stay to keep fighting for some damage and permaslows. similar but not the same
Looks like you will be able to do some pretty satisfying combo's with this. Very straightforward and easy to understand kit but it still leaves room for a little expression of skill. They knocked it out of the park with this one.
It’s pretty cool. There is SOME skill expression with q skill shot and R , more than a lot of other fighter tanks, so that’s cool. He seems like he will be very viable almost always because his kit has a lot of utility. His ult might be a little too clunky tbh but it’s hard to tell if that’s ok or not given how powerful his other abilities seem to be. It woulda been cool if he can turn enemies around like his live kit does but that might be too broken given the new abilities.
He seems really terrifying in lane with all his slows, imgagine running him with phase rush he approaches you slows you and with phase rush runs begins you and Es you into tower range. He also is very powerful for gank setups for his jungler. With his Q ranged ability and w schield and e appraoch he also doesnt seem to be bad against range champion. Honestly he looks like a much more terrifying laner than jungler.
always love the ill chat reactions splash art is fine and looks good but since my strimmer said "what??" I will change my opinion to "ughh disgusting" ult looks more useful now but since my strimmer said "huh that looks.." I will now hate on riot and say "RIOT r looks worse than before ew"
I mean the old R was for sure more fun, just dragging someone away was amusing. You don't get the same distance now but the tradeoff is a lot more team play potential
His splash is fine, I'm surprised you didn't mention he's the size of a FUCKING MOUNTAIN. Like, Malphite okay, but this is a glow-up from what he used to be in terms of creature size.
The fact that the E is interruptible and when interrupted there is no cooldown refund is criminal. Especially since it looks like there is 20 second cooldown to begin with
Yeah, the thing no one talking about if u playing any melee champ mid with no cc rip, he can charge u out thru the tower back down the lane how that ok. It's like Voli but he moves u out the tower and can slow u going back to it why even need R when E Sion ult that stuns lol. I hope the speed scales with level or the level two gank is not ok.
nemesis mentioning the positioning of the enemy relative to you when you ult being completely useless in a 1v1 is something i hadnt thought of before his ulti feels really nice now because it has counterplay but them getting stuck in the same position means you can't really put them up between you and a wall to force an E. i kinda liked old ult better
You definitely can still put them into a wall, just takes a little bit more thought beforehand. They even show a combo in the video of how you can put people into a wall with it.
Alot of the skill expression seems to be in FORCING people into bad positions. E ing the into your team or pushing people together to abduct them with R. Making sure not to mindlessly bring them towards your team and potentially make it easier to engage on carries. Making them stay in damaging abilities like Anivia R, Viktor R, Rumble R, etc. Or making them get further CCd in your team "keeping them on Viktor E, putting them in Rell R" letting your team reposition around them as they cant move. Biggest one will be clear speed though IMO. Finding the most optimal pathing using E through walls, getting to scuttle easier and being able to quickly run to the next if enemy JG is behind, and how easily he can clear into ganks that would be tough fir other champs (new top lane) but wont for him because of E.
but silence probably wont interrupt skarner E-ability as usual, its thee thing im currently triggered about - silence not interrupting aurelion sol flight etc. i love that you can steer during skarner E-ability makes it look good and fun to play.
Hell no, movement abilities should not be able to be interrupted by silence, it would mess with a lot of champion's kits. Kassadin and Malzahar matchups would become completely unplayable for Asol when half the midlane roster counter him already, imagine putting out Kha's invisibility by Soraka just putting a big AOE under him, or Kayn's wall walk, or if it interrupted dashes. No skill expression, just broken ass cc. The game has enough cc already.
@@masterblaster2678 idk. maybe im just wrong. but btw... kassadin havent silenced since february 2014, idk if you are testing me or if you havent played the game in 10 years. i wouldnt mind seeing soraka cuck asol and kayn though idk. other champs gets cucked by untargetable and blocking and flash abuses so fuck it, bring more suffering into the game.
@@Light-qi8olIt does not "silence" in the most EXACT sense, but it does disrupt abilities that are currently being channeled, so it really really is not far from a silence.
7:40 skarner actually suppresses whoever he catches, so i imagine him playing like a kidnapper champ. Charge from wall, take adc and run away then kill adc.
as a skarner player, I dont think this will help him. he looks like hes gonna be OP on release then be nerfed into oblivion then forgetton again... which is fine by me... This current patch hes actually insane asf so I can see why they are changing him...
@@Zorban13 well too be fair, for either of these situations to occur, it's either: You're next to a wall bcs u got hit by k'sante third Q which is easier to dodge now. OR You are pinned by Skarner at 700 movespeed and stunned/slowed for 6 seconds, 3 of those seconds where u cant use ur keyboard.
There are plenty of champs that have CC on all abilites, and two of his abilities are only soft CC anyways. I have seen some skarner gameplay, and he is strong, but not exactly OP mechanically (his numbers probably need some tuning)
I do not give a fuck about the rework i still want my thresh lantern skarner R combo work i want to play thresh again he is so trash right now i want a reason to play thresh again dude
The combo does work, and as someone who has been playing quite a bit of Thresh, I assure you Thresh is fine, just somewhat more difficult than other supports.
As a former skarner otp (before spire rework) I get that they wanted to preserve his old identity with ult but as said in the video it feels cluncky, bad and disconnected from the rest of his kit. I wish they had scrapped the suppression idea entirely. Maybe it could've been a similar channel but it applied a slow and poison effect (like a scorpion) that would deal damage over time. Could even make a combo where you can detonate this ult poison by throwing your q rock and it would deal the rest of the poison damage as true damage for example. Another more tanky idea, maybe ulti could've covered his model in rock which would indicate Skarner gaining bonus armor and magic resist or just damage reduction like alistar for a certain duration. He could then detonate this armor after some time to deal damage like sion w. It would deal more damage These were just off the top of my head but tldr reworked ult just feels like a needles homage to old skarner when it could've been much more. The point of the old ulti was to drag an important carry away from his team but this new ulti is too short and too easily dodged to accomplish that goal. It's basically just a glorified stun.
What part of this did you watch that makes it look anything like ksante ult? The best part of ksante ult is isolating a target with yourself, now flipped into a DPS threat, this only lets Skarner go over walls. It's more like a nunu snowball with a poppy E attached.
Once you grab a target with E, it can no longer go through a wall. K'sante takes people through walls with him, Skarner can only go through by himself.
It had better be, its a tank that can go straight through walls with a basic ability. Would be pretty broken if it was not. Granted, it turns about as sharply as new rift herald does, so it isn't too bad if you get good with it.
The only thing i dont care for is the fact that riot is just shoving even more %max hp damage into the game. Its getting old, and it's getting annoying. At this point its almost detrimental for tanks to build ANY hp, as all the hp they build inevitably ends up just healing the enemies more. Everything else looks hot af tho
Well so far as I'm concerned it isnt so bad, because its damage over time, and neither of the three hit %max procs do true damage. One does magic damage, the other does Physical, and the passive %max only scales with level and nothing else. To be completely honest with you, they also didnt really "add more" percent max to the game, since old skarner ALSO had BOTH %max magic AND physical damage already.
I like this version of Skarner so far only exception is his E. It looks soo bad they didn't even come up with any type of excuse why he can just phase through walls. And it's not like this kind of Ability is unique (Kasante, Kain tec.) Ok lemme give some examples on how this weird looking ability could have been made awesome: He could curl up to form a drill with his Claws and Tails and Drill through the walls. Or he just Dig through the walls just like Reksai but the enemy just hears the ground shattering giving them a sign that skarner is coming. that could have been really good. Ok and the last Idea i have is really amazing but that one could also be a Ultimate. but i mean Bard kinda has the same ability as well. When Skarner presses E he stands up on his Tail jumps up and flips in the air to strike the Wall giant Slicing Tail attack to split the wall open like Moses would the Sea and he and his Teammates can go through the wall.
He's a member of the race that gave the people of Ixtal earth magic, he's an extremely powerful geomancer basically. Walking through stone/walls is pretty on brand and in the scope of his abilities.
"HOLY ESSAY" literally 2 sentences on the screen. twitch chatter mind has been rotted to the point where 2 sentences is an essay and too much to read...
With like a fraction of the range, single target, less damage, less speed... I swear people who post shit like this lack critical thinking, they just jump around and point like a monkey when they see two vaguely similar things.
he looks so bad with 3 tails, i reckon they scrap his character model and ult and start again with all the other skills. why tf can you push champs that you are pulling with 3 tails, makes no sense
i think the ult being worse allows them to put more power into his other 4 abilities which imo makes sense if theyre looking to change the champion.
And there doesn't seem to be a random territory capturing minigame. Useless without it, but can't be too strong with it either.
If anything the ult seems far better, the kit allows him to get close very fast, and his potential to target more then one person makes his ult harder to counter
@@mdrago2098 idk, the point of skarner ult was to make picks and lock down high priority targets. You can’t really that if people can just dash/flash out of it now
@@tuckerspradley9592 people could always go QSS and counter it, hence why later during the game the ult became more useless, with this there's more potential plays in combo with e that would make the game more winnable.
Not to mention if you want to lock down a high priority target, there are currently many other champs that already do that far better then old skarner.
@@mdrago2098 Forcing the biggest threat on the enemy team to waste gold and an item slot a QSS to not die (and still having a shorter ult cd than the cd on qss) is already a huge W
Every other suppression an ally can save you from by stunning because they're channeled, and also don't potentially drag you out of position.
POV: You get Sion ulted by Skarner through the wall..
Except it isn't AOE and can be interrupted with hard cc.
@@12171010011010it doesn’t seem to last very long either
It's pretty mediocre if you dont hit them into a wall to stun them too
@@iRiDiKi cause is not a Ult 🫠
looks pretty nice
the color palette on base skin is good (splashart made him look a little like a rugby player to me)
his E seems to give him some extra earlygame agency
Skarner top seems dead though
skarner top should be dead anyway. right now it's just a cheesepick. maybe skarner top is somewhat viable if it can clear waves/poke well enough with q. looks like a lot of burst and he is hard to gank, since he can hide in the wall and/or layer a ton of cc under turret.
As Skarner Top Main I can say that skarner top is absolutely fine. This rework should work in top too. I can see some E angles on the wall and the ult can make it easier to hit a good E
I could see him being a good mid laner playing around roam timings with junglers.
"color palette on base skin is good" Are you people paid shills?
league players when someone has opinions megalul@@Zorban13
i like watching for nemesis thoughts but man do streamer chats give me aids whenever something like this comes out, silvers who can barely replicate an iota of what is happening on their screen half the time spamming riot and 200 years after every sentence uttered with 0 thought. Exhausting cycle of thoughtlessness to read/be around after a certain point, for me at least
Yeah there's no critical thinking at all. They just join the riot hate mob because its trendy. Nemesis' criticisms were valid but his chat is so bad
@adamskvorak6865 people like them are why riot doesn't take the community seriously when there's an actual problem like yuumi or ksante, since so many people complain about every champ in the game. The community bitching is the standard for every champ, so the real problems don't seem as bad.
@@adamskvorak6865 like at least wait for that shit to be in your games before you start mindlessly hating lmao how do they not understand they literally know nothing about this champion in actual practice to be coming to conclusions by watching this or any video alone. It's like they have an premade idea of what they think is the champion , and then use the streamer's opinions to find common ground and validate themselves into just saying shit, even when thats not what the streamer is saying at all. Like how Nemesis said skarner looks easy, but these chatters will process that as him saying it's broken
"W: Skarner slows in an AoE and gets a shield"
Chat: "WTF IS THIS GAME?" "AH HELL NAW" "200 YEARS" "GAME IS DEAD" "NERF THIS"
I can do it instead of chat
as a skarner player, glad he actually looks fun and keeps the personality
I’m kinda sad the old passive is removed but really cool concept
@@Josph4 yeah no it was horrible
@@Josph4 i thought it was cool but playing with it sucks, you either have it and are strong or dont have it and you are useless
@@Josph4 cool concept but really shit in game, Very outdated
Honestly this rework looks really great. His strength at this stage will entirely depend on what his numbers are like though, and it does seem like another bruiser that just stacks tenacity and tries to dive squishies all game in the same way a sett or volibear does.
No he actually seems best suited as a protector. He has so many easy to hit spells on divers trying to hit your backline.
His w e is also basically undodgable, when you stand in his face.
I think he is gonna play a lot like a poppy, but he is probably better with higher range comps, because his Q brings him some neutralgame poke. That also helps other poke champs hit skills, while his lockdown in a poke comp, basically always means a free kill.
Poppy is still the better wall for tons of dashes though.
@@tomwanders6022 I respectfully disagree. Anti-dive / anti-engage is not favoured in the meta (or most previous) and no bruiser/tank builds to play that way. The damage and mobility creep means that the first team to get caught out always loses regardless of their disengage tools. You brought up Poppy interestingly enough. Most Poppys I see spend their time roaming, splitting, and looking to stat-check opponents. She uses her ult to divide the enemy team so they are outnumbered, or for extra burst. Even a champion like Galio, builds full ap and asks teammates to dive for aggressive ults rather than saving it to turn a fight elsewhere on the map.
He is a tank, he pretty much only has Health ratios.
@@seamusrichardson5601 I see him more of a Bruiser/Tank hybrid since he deals a lot of damage since his Q and E damage scale with health AND all of his spells (except Passive) have some type of CC.
I really like the rework at first glance. The q is still simple, the w is simple, the e really allows for creative ganks and invades, and the R is still effectively the same but more counterplay against it and aoe utility for Skarner. I like it a lot.
Skarner's ult also allows him to place his enemies in front of walls before using E again to stun them, so it has a bit of self-synergy.
You could also go phase rush and go for q slow ult into w for phase rush if you wanna nab people, looks fun
@@kaheichan6228But you wouldn't be able to proc phase rush with only 2 abilities?
@@federicosimkus7979you can cast w during ult
he kinda just seems like Rell jungle where hes just a super team oriented utility jungler
this is 100% going to be a broken Dog Jungler in pro
he's less flashy wombo combo and more catching people in bad positions I feel, and he's more of an actual brawler compared to rell who does 0 damage so even when he runs out of hard CC he'll stay to keep fighting for some damage and permaslows. similar but not the same
Looks like you will be able to do some pretty satisfying combo's with this. Very straightforward and easy to understand kit but it still leaves room for a little expression of skill. They knocked it out of the park with this one.
WE GRABBING SOME(ONE) WITH THIS ONE
It’s pretty cool. There is SOME skill expression with q skill shot and R , more than a lot of other fighter tanks, so that’s cool. He seems like he will be very viable almost always because his kit has a lot of utility. His ult might be a little too clunky tbh but it’s hard to tell if that’s ok or not given how powerful his other abilities seem to be. It woulda been cool if he can turn enemies around like his live kit does but that might be too broken given the new abilities.
I don't think the ult is worse, its going to have a lot of combo potential with Orianna, Syndra, Rumble, Seraphine, etc
He seems really terrifying in lane with all his slows, imgagine running him with phase rush he approaches you slows you and with phase rush runs begins you and Es you into tower range. He also is very powerful for gank setups for his jungler. With his Q ranged ability and w schield and e appraoch he also doesnt seem to be bad against range champion. Honestly he looks like a much more terrifying laner than jungler.
The worst thing about this is no more Skarner VGU waiting room memes.
Looks fun tbh. Not really that 1 dimensional theres a couple ways you can cycle the CC.
He feels like he will lay a team up pretty well for a fight. The supress is a big deal too, you cant cleanse that. Should be a very good pick up.
“Awe shit here we go again”
I finally got why I had the dream about a Skorpion.
Reading twitch chat in this video makes me think that people are just crying about balance for the sake of crying
Yeah, it really bothers me when people just sit there and bitch because a champion can in fact play the game.
He looks like he'll be a strong roaming support!
8:45 what kind of back animation is that? anyone else expected he would burrow into the ground or some shit?
yeah instead he just shows his ass and shakes his tails like a fucking mating dance LMAO
wait what the fuck. i've never been more disappointed... wtf, he literally turns back, then twirls and is in base
im gona assume skarner is at a size that rivals galio or or something
I wonder if you can R then flash backwards. Do the enemy come to you?
Q, E and flash are locked out during ult now.
@@Bladius_ are they locked instantly when you press R or after the channel? Maybe i should check the video back.
@@XIKaMuIXinstantly lock moving ability
I look forward to Skarner now being a support
I have a felling like this is going to be my next favorite champ, I freaking love Leona and Nautilus because of the heavy CC and tanking
I’m just glad we don’t have 3 paragraphs and it looks fun to play
always love the ill chat reactions
splash art is fine and looks good but since my strimmer said "what??" I will change my opinion to "ughh disgusting"
ult looks more useful now but since my strimmer said "huh that looks.." I will now hate on riot and say "RIOT r looks worse than before ew"
I mean the old R was for sure more fun, just dragging someone away was amusing. You don't get the same distance now but the tradeoff is a lot more team play potential
looks like a new champ to add to the ADC nightmare list xD
He was already an ADC nightmare lmao
His splash is fine, I'm surprised you didn't mention he's the size of a FUCKING MOUNTAIN. Like, Malphite okay, but this is a glow-up from what he used to be in terms of creature size.
The fact that the E is interruptible and when interrupted there is no cooldown refund is criminal. Especially since it looks like there is 20 second cooldown to begin with
so is skarner malphite size in the lore now?
his e seems stronger than his ult given the low CD.
i wonder what a movementspeed build will look like on him. Like yhomus and stuff.
Imagine Skarner rework with his purple crystal Look
i think hes e looks really fun and i like his q as well
He looks really good as long as your team is up 40 kills
Yeah, the thing no one talking about if u playing any melee champ mid with no cc rip, he can charge u out thru the tower back down the lane how that ok. It's like Voli but he moves u out the tower and can slow u going back to it why even need R when E Sion ult that stuns lol.
I hope the speed scales with level or the level two gank is not ok.
looks kinda decent in proplay, similiar to leesin/poppy/jarvan
simple to learn and really good playmaking
Rell+Skarner combo
nemesis mentioning the positioning of the enemy relative to you when you ult being completely useless in a 1v1 is something i hadnt thought of before
his ulti feels really nice now because it has counterplay but them getting stuck in the same position means you can't really put them up between you and a wall to force an E. i kinda liked old ult better
You definitely can still put them into a wall, just takes a little bit more thought beforehand. They even show a combo in the video of how you can put people into a wall with it.
@@seamusrichardson5601 i meant if the wall is behind you or to your side. only if you have a wall with the right orientation next to you
@yurilopes420 you can grab them and then curve the shove really sharply. Even if you are facing parallel to a small wall you can still combo it.
Alot of the skill expression seems to be in FORCING people into bad positions. E ing the into your team or pushing people together to abduct them with R.
Making sure not to mindlessly bring them towards your team and potentially make it easier to engage on carries.
Making them stay in damaging abilities like Anivia R, Viktor R, Rumble R, etc.
Or making them get further CCd in your team "keeping them on Viktor E, putting them in Rell R" letting your team reposition around them as they cant move.
Biggest one will be clear speed though IMO. Finding the most optimal pathing using E through walls, getting to scuttle easier and being able to quickly run to the next if enemy JG is behind, and how easily he can clear into ganks that would be tough fir other champs (new top lane) but wont for him because of E.
gives Sej vibes! Tankier, lots of cc, but low ceiling
but silence probably wont interrupt skarner E-ability as usual,
its thee thing im currently triggered about - silence not interrupting aurelion sol flight etc.
i love that you can steer during skarner E-ability makes it look good and fun to play.
Nobody wants Soraka to be Z-tier bro
Hell no, movement abilities should not be able to be interrupted by silence, it would mess with a lot of champion's kits. Kassadin and Malzahar matchups would become completely unplayable for Asol when half the midlane roster counter him already, imagine putting out Kha's invisibility by Soraka just putting a big AOE under him, or Kayn's wall walk, or if it interrupted dashes. No skill expression, just broken ass cc. The game has enough cc already.
@@masterblaster2678 idk. maybe im just wrong.
but btw...
kassadin havent silenced since february 2014,
idk if you are testing me or if you havent played the game in 10 years.
i wouldnt mind seeing soraka cuck asol and kayn though idk.
other champs gets cucked by untargetable and blocking and flash abuses so fuck it,
bring more suffering into the game.
@@Light-qi8olIt does not "silence" in the most EXACT sense, but it does disrupt abilities that are currently being channeled, so it really really is not far from a silence.
@@Light-qi8ol He still has a mini silence on Q that still does what silence is supposed to be for, interrupting channels.
Skarner looks cool tbh. I like it
Everybody thinking about how good he is, meanwhile I'm thinking about making beats with musical emotes from other champions. We are not the same.
This champ feels like a nightmare for Yasuo
Genuinely this looks good without killing his identity. Way more balanceable too
Can you do r and then e through wall
doesnt seem too bad
Jesus the hive mind of twitch chat is crazy. Talking about how bad his ult is then the moment nemesis explains why its good they call it broken.
7:40 skarner actually suppresses whoever he catches, so i imagine him playing like a kidnapper champ. Charge from wall, take adc and run away then kill adc.
ult being weaker and actually counterable makes him so much more balanced even as a cc hell champion
This skarner rework kinda good for sup the best no?
Depending on his ad ratios, imagine if he goes lethality.
Tho I doubt that will be the optimal build path anyway, probably more tank/Ad bruiser .
Oryginal Skarner got HUGE ap scalings. I even got my own records from replay with full ap build. It was broken.
Everything except ult scales with health only I think
@@vio9788 if that's the case #Heartsteelgaming
Too bad health scale only
@@vio9788 Many people writed to dev they want ap scalings. We will see.
AoE Suppress might be strong
New Ksante
Has Skarner always been the size of a mountain?
No, thats a new thing because they are rewriting his lore for the rework.
his rework looks great but how did it took them this long to finally deliver on this lmao this champ has barely any skins aswell
The ult being skill shot is the skill expression 😂
as a skarner player, I dont think this will help him. he looks like hes gonna be OP on release then be nerfed into oblivion then forgetton again... which is fine by me...
This current patch hes actually insane asf so I can see why they are changing him...
It's gonna be way easier to balance this than a version of Skarner that has the crystals. That shit was the real balance nightmare.
i wonder whats gonna be more wholesome to hear. "I WILL NOT YIELD" or "FEEL MY STING"
One of these is point and click, the other is a Sion Q
@@Zorban13 well too be fair, for either of these situations to occur, it's either:
You're next to a wall bcs u got hit by k'sante third Q which is easier to dodge now.
OR
You are pinned by Skarner at 700 movespeed and stunned/slowed for 6 seconds, 3 of those seconds where u cant use ur keyboard.
at least it looks like skarner does 0 dmg unlike the yielding guy
I think it's kinda toxic gameplay, all 4 of his abilities have cc. I hope I'm wrong though, it's a bit too early to judge
There are plenty of champs that have CC on all abilites, and two of his abilities are only soft CC anyways. I have seen some skarner gameplay, and he is strong, but not exactly OP mechanically (his numbers probably need some tuning)
I think he should be allowed to move and flash while charging ult, making it a channel will make it feel too clunky
I do not give a fuck about the rework i still want my thresh lantern skarner R combo work i want to play thresh again he is so trash right now i want a reason to play thresh again dude
The combo does work, and as someone who has been playing quite a bit of Thresh, I assure you Thresh is fine, just somewhat more difficult than other supports.
gonna be a big fimbulwinter abuser with all the slows and ccs he has
As a former skarner otp (before spire rework) I get that they wanted to preserve his old identity with ult but as said in the video it feels cluncky, bad and disconnected from the rest of his kit. I wish they had scrapped the suppression idea entirely.
Maybe it could've been a similar channel but it applied a slow and poison effect (like a scorpion) that would deal damage over time. Could even make a combo where you can detonate this ult poison by throwing your q rock and it would deal the rest of the poison damage as true damage for example.
Another more tanky idea, maybe ulti could've covered his model in rock which would indicate Skarner gaining bonus armor and magic resist or just damage reduction like alistar for a certain duration. He could then detonate this armor after some time to deal damage like sion w. It would deal more damage
These were just off the top of my head but tldr reworked ult just feels like a needles homage to old skarner when it could've been much more. The point of the old ulti was to drag an important carry away from his team but this new ulti is too short and too easily dodged to accomplish that goal. It's basically just a glorified stun.
Seems tight but also ksante ult on e kinda crazy no?
What part of this did you watch that makes it look anything like ksante ult?
The best part of ksante ult is isolating a target with yourself, now flipped into a DPS threat, this only lets Skarner go over walls.
It's more like a nunu snowball with a poppy E attached.
Once you grab a target with E, it can no longer go through a wall. K'sante takes people through walls with him, Skarner can only go through by himself.
his E looks very clunky to use.
It had better be, its a tank that can go straight through walls with a basic ability. Would be pretty broken if it was not. Granted, it turns about as sharply as new rift herald does, so it isn't too bad if you get good with it.
K'sante 2.0 :D
i dont think he looks turbo op for soloq probably gonna be the next rell jg for pro
New skarner looks incredibly unfun to play against
The only thing i dont care for is the fact that riot is just shoving even more %max hp damage into the game. Its getting old, and it's getting annoying. At this point its almost detrimental for tanks to build ANY hp, as all the hp they build inevitably ends up just healing the enemies more.
Everything else looks hot af tho
Well so far as I'm concerned it isnt so bad, because its damage over time, and neither of the three hit %max procs do true damage. One does magic damage, the other does Physical, and the passive %max only scales with level and nothing else. To be completely honest with you, they also didnt really "add more" percent max to the game, since old skarner ALSO had BOTH %max magic AND physical damage already.
2yrs for this when we could’ve got shyvana 😂🎉
My only gripe is why is his color so bland and what the actual hell is he doing in his recall
I like this version of Skarner so far only exception is his E. It looks soo bad they didn't even come up with any type of excuse why he can just phase through walls. And it's not like this kind of Ability is unique (Kasante, Kain tec.) Ok lemme give some examples on how this weird looking ability could have been made awesome: He could curl up to form a drill with his Claws and Tails and Drill through the walls. Or he just Dig through the walls just like Reksai but the enemy just hears the ground shattering giving them a sign that skarner is coming. that could have been really good. Ok and the last Idea i have is really amazing but that one could also be a Ultimate. but i mean Bard kinda has the same ability as well. When Skarner presses E he stands up on his Tail jumps up and flips in the air to strike the Wall giant Slicing Tail attack to split the wall open like Moses would the Sea and he and his Teammates can go through the wall.
He's a member of the race that gave the people of Ixtal earth magic, he's an extremely powerful geomancer basically.
Walking through stone/walls is pretty on brand and in the scope of his abilities.
I hope that he's r channelling cannot be cancel
He is unstoppable while channeling ult
Pretty terrible champ still no? Why pick this over so many tank junglers? That ult is the equivalent of a normal cc ability but 0 dmg
Q is a straight rip off of tiny's tree grab from dota2
I mean its basicly primal beast reskinned
Is that a proplem?
so?
there already champions with skills like this its not exactly a unique concept
I dislike that he has 3 tails
They should have kept the passive, contesting it was a fun part of the game
It really looks like they just gave the fuck up and settled for using all of their goofiest ideas
Oh wow another 3 hit passive so unique 😒
How to make a garbage champion better, make him go through walls. They need to stop doing this, the walls are there for a reason
Yo first??!!
"HOLY ESSAY" literally 2 sentences on the screen. twitch chatter mind has been rotted to the point where 2 sentences is an essay and too much to read...
why is he so beeeeg
They rewrote his lore, so he is basically an earth spirit now.
Ah yeah so he does Sion ult on E but better... Ok
With like a fraction of the range, single target, less damage, less speed...
I swear people who post shit like this lack critical thinking, they just jump around and point like a monkey when they see two vaguely similar things.
@@Bladius_ That's like the majority of gamers, see something, compare it to something else, call it broken, repeat. 0 critical thinking.
@@Bladius_It also is not unstoppable, which Sion ult indeed is. League has a lot of monkeys in the community.
Adc's just got worse with this rework
he looks so bad with 3 tails, i reckon they scrap his character model and ult and start again with all the other skills. why tf can you push champs that you are pulling with 3 tails, makes no sense
Looks completely broken
😂😂😂
looks so trash wym
Because playtest rioters are silver at most
A champion countered by ghost can't be broken you're trolling.
Would be like saying oh udyr is broken. How does that make sense for a stat stick ?
full combo 5% damage please gut thsi champiomn immedialy
Passive - Fizz passive
Q- Shen Q
W- J4 W
E- Kayn E/ Qiyana R
ah yess recycled rework again
fizz passive? fizz literally has no passive
There are only W and E which are actually copy of other abilities in the game with some juice. You're trolling rn
You just blow in from stupid town, buddy?
what a fail of a rework. Mark my words
hes gonna flop, he does nothing after he misses his e for example and in ult is useless in 1v1 2v2s
i love how this 3rd world country guy cant say any word in english
u would understand just fine if u didnt get ur education in azerbaijan
@@Goblinlord370 your moms a hooor