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அற்புதமான ஆணித்தரமான பதில்கள்.பல விஷயங்களில் தெளிவு கிடைத்தது ,குறிப்பாக இளையராஜா அவர்களைப் பற்றிய நான் கொண்டிருந்த கருத்து மாறியது . மடை திறந்த வெள்ளமாக பேசினார். பாடகர் கிருஷ்ணவைப் பற்றி கூறியது சரியான கருத்து .super🙏🏻👍
My favorite and unique music composer. We need people him to come out and speak up about cine music rather than people like James Vasanthan who only attacks the personal side of Ilaiyaraja.
He is having clarity of thought, clear speech, facts. Simply ஒரு பிரவாகமாக கொட்டுகிறது. Already i am his fan, now the scale has increased.To understand his speech we need something in our head. Love your knowledge sir. 🎉
@@lawrencemathieson5422exactly. I follow Tesla Ganesh. He had clearly explained it. As you implied, bismi has no any basic idea about what he delivers. Emotionally biased view
Mr Ramesh Vinayagam, No Doubt, is a very knowledgeable person in the Music field. The interviewer Mr Shaji was good in putting only the relevant questions pointedly. As Mr Ramesh was both faster and comprehensive in his Responses, it was a bit difficult to follow. Like any artist, as a Composer he supports his fellow composers. But, it's heartening to see that he never denied the significant role being played by a Lyricist in creating a song which, of course, is a fact. But, his response about the role of the singers could have been much better and courteous. Though Singers cannot be termed as Creators, their contributory role is very very significant in making a song very beautiful. There's a Sea Difference between a song sung by an ordinary singer or a composer himself in his terrible voice and a song sung by a seasoned professional singer with his expertise touch. He can't simply brush aside the role of the singers and should give Due Respect to them. For example, a Song like Paattum Naane Bhavamum Naane can never be sung by any other singer like the way TMS sang nor a song like Oru NaaL iravu Pagal Poal Nilavu can be sung by any other singer like the way Susheela sung it soulfully nor a song like 7 SwarangaLukkul can be sung by any one else like the way Vani Jayaram did it nor a song like Bhajagovindam (AAdhi Sankarar) can be sung by any one else like the way Yesudas sung it so divinely nor a song like idhu Kuzhandhai Paadum Thaalaattu can be sung by another singer like the way SPB sung it so beautifully. So, let him give due respect to the singers. He can't just brush aside their roles. Seasoned Singers are both interior as well as exterior decorators. Without the aesthetics and embellishments given by a professional singer with his / her expertise touch or rather with his / her natural penchant , any song will go to a Dustbin if it's sung by a mediocre singer or a composer himself in a donkey's voice. So, even if you need not share your Royalty or Commercial interests in your creations with a Singer, you Need Not make them Beg to a Composer to seek his permission to sing their (own) songs - I mean the song already, originally sung by themselves in their own voice for a film or an album. After all, their singing is liked by many fans and that's why people keep watching them singing in Stage / TV Shows even though they can be quite content with what's already heard by them in a Radio Or a Cassette or in a You Tube Channel. Of late, I find many people in the Music field (whether a composer or a singer or a Musician) a bit arrogant as Music Knowledge and the related Popularity brings with them arrogance too; only the degree of arrogance varies from person to person. Let them keep in mind people love any art (including Music) only as a segment of Entertainment in Life and it's not something inevitable as openly admitted by the late Carnatic Vocalist Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer. In our country or for that matter in many countries, hero worshipping is being done so intensely when it came to Music or Acting or any form of art compared to other more valuable roles being played by Nuclear / Space / Computer Scientists. That's what is, arguably, making this section of people a bit more contemptuous / arrogant in their outlook and demeanour.
The editing done by Shaji is so fast.Dont You see that there are no pauses between Questions and Answers often in this broadcast? Ramesh Vinayakam had ,as You Yourself say,is comprehensive in His answers, replies.As far being fast it is due to Ramesh Vinayakam 's Clarity of thought cogency in expressing it in clear words.Ramesh Vinayakam when asked about composer or creator, lyricist,producer real rights etc., Ramesh Vinayakam clearly states about copyrights and such matters and speaks the ambit within which those people fall in place.Having said that Ramesh Vinayakam goes on to state about the real place for singers in it.A singer is also like an instrument as even a child will know that voices are from the throat which is an instrument by itself with the only advantage being it can express words directly unlike other instruments used in a song preparation.If all the songs You have mentioned have been sung by other singers other than those You have mentioned how can You be so sure that it would not be popular unless it is tested in the same way?Anyway all these years we have been saying...Spb song,jesudas song,TMS song...was all wrong in reality.we also say it is MGR song, Sivaji song etc.,.It it pure ignorance and hero worship to singers and actors and also Your addiction due to repetitive hearing of good songs....I mean good songs to the heater by the composer...that makes You subjectively blind to the actual fact of creation itself.You need not be so kind to singers.
@@ParameshVinayakam I am very clear in my thoughts about the Value Additions made by Professional Singers to a song and No way their roles can be belittled. Certainly the songs mentioned by me can't be sung better by another singer. I stick to what are all I have stated in my Comments . Nothing wrong in being kind enough towards singers when a composer seeks to belittle their roles unreasonably; of course it's a sort of disrespect only. (You are talking like a spokesperson for Mr Ramesh Vinayagam.) Tks for yr response. I don't want to prolong this debate.
I agree with your observation about the importance of acknowledging the contribution of singers to film songs. Contrary to popular opinion, singers are not mere executors' of composer's vision in many instances. Composers such as KVM/Pughazhendi and A.R.Rahman provide sufficient space for the singers to improvise and in a sense 'co-create' the song along with the composer. You could have avoided 'Donkey'' voice comment- Film composers ,when they sing, although they may not be technically perfect in pitching or have honey-tainted voices are able to convey the 'soul' of the song because they had conceived it in the first place.
@@Musiclover22897 Agreed Sir. But, I don't repent. It's an expression of my frustration only as I can't digest some good compositions getting killed by poor voices, for want of Sruthi, Wayward singing without any control and lack of adequate expressions, etc. So if a composer can justify demanding Royalty, as an intolerant Rasika we can also justify penalising them with a penalty for punishing us with their reckless singing. 😊 Thanx a lot Sir for your kind Response.
1986 even few years before karaikudi subramanian a Veena exponent have done his thesis for gamaka writing , where he used notation for gamaka in graphic, visually can see and sing …. He has named it as EGR ( emotional graphic representation ) Many people silently doing great jobs ..
Eppa, editor, why are you in a rush, is it automated editing! Too fast cuts and no pauses between the segments. This makes it feel too rushed and hard to follow.
Try to keep an interview for a minimum of 45 minutes continuously. Most of us will forget to watch divided videos in the pace of life and clutter of content from TH-cam.
The clarity in his speech and down to earth 😊 wish he should be composing lot of Tamil songs. We are done with all the dandanaka music. Podhum nu iruku. Konja melody sethukalame. I love folk but ipo konjam over ah Djing panra madhiri iruku. There are no originality. These kids are liking whatever which are too noisy for the party. I don't say it's wrong but everything should be balanced so all kind of people can enjoy the music.
This guy is very intense in terms of thoughts, tries to condense so much information and context within few words. Understand why he is under utilized he may not be understood by many
இளையராஜா காப்பி ரைட்ஸ் சார்பாக போராடும் நேரமையும் அதற்காக அவர் முன் வைக்கும் விளக்கமும் சரியானதே என்று அனைத்து இசை விற்பன்னார்களும் கூறிய பின்பும் இந்த கேள்வி கேட்பது சரியானதா? சரியானதுதான். ஏன் என்றால் இன்னமும் copy ரைட்ஸ் பற்றி நம் நாட்டில் அனைவருக்கும் சரியான அறிவு இல்லை. இளையராஜா பிற்கால இசை சந்ததிகளுக்காக போராடிக்ககொண்டிருக்கிறார்.
He is very talented... definitely he will get more projects in cinema definitely good times will come..and he is a good human and good at heart..he will rock❤
He is a good composer, and the concept of the stream flow of music -Beethoven can be applied to Ilaiyaraja too, as he thinks of the music in mind and writes the notes without playing, which Beethoven did too. He says that he doesn't believe in divisions so why did he mention S.Janaki as Brahmin, all these years no one cared to look in, this is like taking pride, also wrong in his view against T.M. Krishna. So many languages thrived and existed without having writing form.
Copyright violation is there the only problem is who is the real owner as per the contract is the main issue. The question is, is Ilayaraja sir is the sole owner of the entire song??? I don't think so unless it is there in any legal contract.
This guy has done something , but he doesn’t have basic courtesy by saying the geniuses with respect. Rather he is just saying their names as if they are his friends and he is equal to their achievements level. .. .
Sorry uncle, I strongly disagree with you. The intellectual property belongs to the Producer, unless it is contractually agreed differently. If I work for a company and I develop a software program, the IP belongs to the company. I can not reproduce or use it anywhere else.
@@krishvinay you are wrong. When you develop a product whether it is real or abstract for another person after obtaining remuneration, you lose the right over it. In fact my son in law has developed a lot of programs and the same were patented by the company in which he worked. He was adequately funded for developing the program and was also rewarded separately for the same. The patent is owned by the company. Like music, software programing is also abstract. I agree with the person, who said so.
You are again comparing apples with oranges as put by krishvinay.By revealing Your ignorance,Mr raghunathansrinivasaraghav,You are encouraging the already ignorant to repeat further perhaps You are seconding "krishvinay's Keep it up'' indirectly.Keep it up!!! Man!!!For heaven's sake go and read the copyright laws.,patent etc.How Do You compare a professional composer with a office going guy who gets his or her whatnot?If Your son in law is doing something really original ask him to come out with his inventions and be independent and stand on his own legs.
@@Uyou-op7ec in that case, ilaiyaraja should be paying to the folks he copied from. For example, th-cam.com/video/hdZQUSbdlxk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=e8PRe5JleeQyYty3
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அற்புதமான ஆணித்தரமான பதில்கள்.பல விஷயங்களில் தெளிவு கிடைத்தது ,குறிப்பாக இளையராஜா அவர்களைப் பற்றிய நான் கொண்டிருந்த கருத்து மாறியது . மடை திறந்த வெள்ளமாக பேசினார். பாடகர் கிருஷ்ணவைப் பற்றி கூறியது சரியான கருத்து .super🙏🏻👍
அற்புதமான கலைஞன், தெளிவான பார்வை, தன்னலம் இல்லா பதில்கள் வேற லெவல் தலைவா
As a proud grandson, I can say The first person to break this myth is Sirkazhi Govindarajan 12:25
அருமை அருமை இசையமப்பாளர் ரமேஷ் வினயாகம் என்ன நேர்மையான பதிவு
தெளிவான பேச்சு.. 👏🏼👏🏼 நல்ல விளக்கம்
அருமையான பேட்டி.தெளிவானகருத்து.வாழ்கரமேஷ்மாணிக்கம்.
My favorite and unique music composer. We need people him to come out and speak up about cine music rather than people like James Vasanthan who only attacks the personal side of Ilaiyaraja.
புது இசை கலைஞர்களுக்கு இது நல்ல கருத்துள்ள பேட்டி..! இவர் திறம் படைத்தவர்!❤🙏💁
Very True
இவர் பேசுறதே அவ்வளவு அழகா இருக்கு ❤
Yes,You are correct.I also felt the same way.
Clear and sensible views on copyright, I think
விழிகளின் அருகிலில் வானம் still ruling my playlist ❤
Your Krishna Janardhana is my favourite album. Last 20 years I listen to it at least once a week
Real chat..tq both of u..👍🙏
Fantastic explanation Sir👏🤝👍🙏🙏🙏
@ 10.05. நெத்தியடி !! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Very correctly said sir
பாரதி + செம்மங்குடி + வாஞ்சிநாதனின் ஒருமித்த கலவை இந்த ரமேஷ் விநாயகம் - வாழ்க வளமுடன் வளர்க உன் சங்கீதத்துடன்
He is having clarity of thought, clear speech, facts. Simply ஒரு பிரவாகமாக கொட்டுகிறது. Already i am his fan, now the scale has increased.To understand his speech we need something in our head. Love your knowledge sir. 🎉
Very true🎉
Paa wat a clear talk 👍
அசத்தல் 👏🏻👏🏻
@13.05, Absolutely lucid clarification on Copyright. With this, all the nincompoops, completely ignorant of the relevant Law shud shut up.
@@lawrencemathieson5422exactly. I follow Tesla Ganesh. He had clearly explained it. As you implied, bismi has no any basic idea about what he delivers. Emotionally biased view
In TN Media is under (cryptos) and so they mix Ilayaraja's religion & political stand
Fantastic human being , wonderful musician, exponent . Pray for more recognition
Nice speech...
Super super arumiyanana pathivu
Excellent answer
கேட்க சகிக்காத குத்து பாடல்கசுளுக்கு நீங்க music பண்ணியிருந்தா
100 படங்களுக்கு மேல் music செய்திருக்கலாம்..
பரந்த மனம் உள்ள சகோதரே இது தான் உங்களுக்கு-------.
❤️❤️👍🏽👍🏽.... Hai shaji iam siji
Previous episode & this, why you cut fast? Duration problem'ah... ?!!
2 of his songs are my all time favorits .... viligalin aruginil & ena idu //
Mr Ramesh Vinayagam, No Doubt, is a very knowledgeable person in the Music field. The interviewer Mr Shaji was good in putting only the relevant questions pointedly. As Mr Ramesh was both faster and comprehensive in his Responses, it was a bit difficult to follow. Like any artist, as a Composer he supports his fellow composers. But, it's heartening to see that he never denied the significant role being played by a Lyricist in creating a song which, of course, is a fact. But, his response about the role of the singers could have been much better and courteous. Though Singers cannot be termed as Creators, their contributory role is very very significant in making a song very beautiful. There's a Sea Difference between a song sung by an ordinary singer or a composer himself in his terrible voice and a song sung by a seasoned professional singer with his expertise touch. He can't simply brush aside the role of the singers and should give Due Respect to them. For example, a Song like Paattum Naane Bhavamum Naane can never be sung by any other singer like the way TMS sang nor a song like Oru NaaL iravu Pagal Poal Nilavu can be sung by any other singer like the way Susheela sung it soulfully nor a song like 7 SwarangaLukkul can be sung by any one else like the way Vani Jayaram did it nor a song like Bhajagovindam (AAdhi Sankarar) can be sung by any one else like the way Yesudas sung it so divinely nor a song like idhu Kuzhandhai Paadum Thaalaattu can be sung by another singer like the way SPB sung it so beautifully. So, let him give due respect to the singers. He can't just brush aside their roles. Seasoned Singers are both interior as well as exterior decorators. Without the aesthetics and embellishments given by a professional singer with his / her expertise touch or rather with his / her natural penchant , any song will go to a Dustbin if it's sung by a mediocre singer or a composer himself in a donkey's voice. So, even if you need not share your Royalty or Commercial interests in your creations with a Singer, you Need Not make them Beg to a Composer to seek his permission to sing their (own) songs - I mean the song already, originally sung by themselves in their own voice for a film or an album. After all, their singing is liked by many fans and that's why people keep watching them singing in Stage / TV Shows even though they can be quite content with what's already heard by them in a Radio Or a Cassette or in a You Tube Channel. Of late, I find many people in the Music field (whether a composer or a singer or a Musician) a bit arrogant as Music Knowledge and the related Popularity brings with them arrogance too; only the degree of arrogance varies from person to person. Let them keep in mind people love any art (including Music) only as a segment of Entertainment in Life and it's not something inevitable as openly admitted by the late Carnatic Vocalist Semmangudi Srinivasa Iyer. In our country or for that matter in many countries, hero worshipping is being done so intensely when it came to Music or Acting or any form of art compared to other more valuable roles being played by Nuclear / Space / Computer Scientists. That's what is, arguably, making this section of people a bit more contemptuous / arrogant in their outlook and demeanour.
The editing done by Shaji is so fast.Dont You see that there are no pauses between Questions and Answers often in this broadcast? Ramesh Vinayakam had ,as You Yourself say,is comprehensive in His answers, replies.As far being fast it is due to Ramesh Vinayakam 's Clarity of thought cogency in expressing it in clear words.Ramesh Vinayakam when asked about composer or creator, lyricist,producer real rights etc., Ramesh Vinayakam clearly states about copyrights and such matters and speaks the ambit within which those people fall in place.Having said that Ramesh Vinayakam goes on to state about the real place for singers in it.A singer is also like an instrument as even a child will know that voices are from the throat which is an instrument by itself with the only advantage being it can express words directly unlike other instruments used in a song preparation.If all the songs You have mentioned have been sung by other singers other than those You have mentioned how can You be so sure that it would not be popular unless it is tested in the same way?Anyway all these years we have been saying...Spb song,jesudas song,TMS song...was all wrong in reality.we also say it is MGR song, Sivaji song etc.,.It it pure ignorance and hero worship to singers and actors and also Your addiction due to repetitive hearing of good songs....I mean good songs to the heater by the composer...that makes You subjectively blind to the actual fact of creation itself.You need not be so kind to singers.
You need not be so kind to singers And cast aspersion on someone who is clear in his music and speech.I have not seen a composer speaking so clearly.
@@ParameshVinayakam I am very clear in my thoughts about the Value Additions made by Professional Singers to a song and No way their roles can be belittled. Certainly the songs mentioned by me can't be sung better by another singer. I stick to what are all I have stated in my Comments . Nothing wrong in being kind enough towards singers when a composer seeks to belittle their roles unreasonably; of course it's a sort of disrespect only. (You are talking like a spokesperson for Mr Ramesh Vinayagam.) Tks for yr response. I don't want to prolong this debate.
I agree with your observation about the importance of acknowledging the contribution of singers to film songs. Contrary to popular opinion, singers are not mere executors' of composer's vision in many instances. Composers such as KVM/Pughazhendi and A.R.Rahman provide sufficient space for the singers to improvise and in a sense 'co-create' the song along with the composer. You could have avoided 'Donkey'' voice comment- Film composers ,when they sing, although they may not be technically perfect in pitching or have honey-tainted voices are able to convey the 'soul' of the song because they had conceived it in the first place.
@@Musiclover22897 Agreed Sir. But, I don't repent. It's an expression of my frustration only as I can't digest some good compositions getting killed by poor voices, for want of Sruthi, Wayward singing without any control and lack of adequate expressions, etc. So if a composer can justify demanding Royalty, as an intolerant Rasika we can also justify penalising them with a penalty for punishing us with their reckless singing. 😊 Thanx a lot Sir for your kind Response.
Awesome sir
He is bang on and amazing view points ❤
Nice
Very good sir.,
1986 even few years before karaikudi subramanian a Veena exponent have done his thesis for gamaka writing , where he used notation for gamaka in graphic, visually can see and sing …. He has named it as EGR ( emotional graphic representation ) Many people silently doing great jobs ..
Eppa, editor, why are you in a rush, is it automated editing! Too fast cuts and no pauses between the segments. This makes it feel too rushed and hard to follow.
full ah ve trailer cut maadhiri irukku
Previous episode & this, why you cut fast? Duration problem'ah... ?!!
Yes, I felt it, too... I think they have tried to give everything that he has spoken within the stipulated time!!!!! I'm just guessing!!
Genius 👌
Try to keep an interview for a minimum of 45 minutes continuously. Most of us will forget to watch divided videos in the pace of life and clutter of content from TH-cam.
Yessss...now I am consciously waiting for the 3rd part....😢😢
what about the contribution of the lyricist?
❤❤❤
Raja....................
The clarity in his speech and down to earth 😊 wish he should be composing lot of Tamil songs. We are done with all the dandanaka music. Podhum nu iruku. Konja melody sethukalame. I love folk but ipo konjam over ah Djing panra madhiri iruku. There are no originality. These kids are liking whatever which are too noisy for the party. I don't say it's wrong but everything should be balanced so all kind of people can enjoy the music.
Raja sir ❤❤❤
This guy is very intense in terms of thoughts, tries to condense so much information and context within few words. Understand why he is under utilized he may not be understood by many
He sung a song for yuvan
இளையராஜா காப்பி ரைட்ஸ் சார்பாக போராடும் நேரமையும் அதற்காக அவர் முன் வைக்கும் விளக்கமும் சரியானதே என்று அனைத்து இசை விற்பன்னார்களும் கூறிய பின்பும் இந்த கேள்வி கேட்பது சரியானதா?
சரியானதுதான். ஏன் என்றால் இன்னமும் copy ரைட்ஸ் பற்றி நம் நாட்டில் அனைவருக்கும் சரியான அறிவு இல்லை. இளையராஜா பிற்கால இசை சந்ததிகளுக்காக போராடிக்ககொண்டிருக்கிறார்.
somehow i feel i am watching this video in 1.5x speed
Illyaraja is one of the best music director in the world 🌍
Bathroom poga venum,!athanaal thaan editing fast.
Isai Gnani Ilayaraja sir 🔥 🔥
Editor ji, kannu valikithu ya... ivolo fast cuts vendam ya... its not a debate show with some hot topics. So be cool and relax eh work pannunga.
He is very talented... definitely he will get more projects in cinema definitely good times will come..and he is a good human and good at heart..he will rock❤
You work for a company, then all IP you produce there belongs to the company not to the employee. Similarly, MDs cannot get any royalty
Super interview. Thank you
He is a good composer, and the concept of the stream flow of music -Beethoven can be applied to Ilaiyaraja too, as he thinks of the music in mind and writes the notes without playing, which Beethoven did too.
He says that he doesn't believe in divisions so why did he mention S.Janaki as Brahmin, all these years no one cared to look in, this is like taking pride, also wrong in his view against T.M. Krishna. So many languages thrived and existed without having writing form.
Edit worst ra dei … 20 mins iirunthaa dhaan enna .. sharp edit makes the soul missing
Copyright violation is there the only problem is who is the real owner as per the contract is the main issue. The question is, is Ilayaraja sir is the sole owner of the entire song??? I don't think so unless it is there in any legal contract.
Sir pls dont get into cenema no scope for music any more
Instead focus on other platforms
This guy has done something , but he doesn’t have basic courtesy by saying the geniuses with respect. Rather he is just saying their names as if they are his friends and he is equal to their achievements level. .. .
👍😂. S. His Response & Remarks to the Questions about the Singers were disrespectful. Read my Comments too.
@@vasudevancv8470You can see my thoughts to Your comment You have made earlier
I see no disrespect in Ramesh Vinayakam 's Answers to anyone..
Ilayaraja God of music
Sorry uncle, I strongly disagree with you. The intellectual property belongs to the Producer, unless it is contractually agreed differently.
If I work for a company and I develop a software program, the IP belongs to the company. I can not reproduce or use it anywhere else.
@blackkhat6020->You are comparing apples with oranges! Sorry you have revealed your ignorance! Keep it up!
@@krishvinay you are wrong.
When you develop a product whether it is real or abstract for another person after obtaining remuneration, you lose the right over it. In fact my son in law has developed a lot of programs and the same were patented by the company in which he worked. He was adequately funded for developing the program and was also rewarded separately for the same. The patent is owned by the company.
Like music, software programing is also abstract.
I agree with the person, who said so.
You are again comparing apples with oranges as put by krishvinay.By revealing Your ignorance,Mr raghunathansrinivasaraghav,You are encouraging the already ignorant to repeat further perhaps You are seconding "krishvinay's Keep it up'' indirectly.Keep it up!!! Man!!!For heaven's sake go and read the copyright laws.,patent etc.How Do You compare a professional composer with a office going guy who gets his or her whatnot?If Your son in law is doing something really original ask him to come out with his inventions and be independent and stand on his own legs.
@@Uyou-op7ec in that case, ilaiyaraja should be paying to the folks he copied from. For example, th-cam.com/video/hdZQUSbdlxk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=e8PRe5JleeQyYty3
If that is so do it.We are talking only about original out puts.
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இசையமைப்பாளர் அதே போல் பாட முடியுமென்றால் பேசலாம் .
இளையராஜா பாடினார் கழுதை கத்துவது போல் உள்ளதே!?