This is fun. Seeing you go through the same endless yammering that each of us goes through when it comes time to upgrade. I have the E-M1MkII and bought the E-M1X. I shoot mostly birds, but keep trying to branch out to other subjects. At first, i thought the X was too heavy to drag around everywhere in the field, but the more i used it, the more i came to enjoy the ergonomics of it over the MkII. Now that bird AI is finally here, i am glad i have adjusted to the size in the field. When the X was introduced, i thought - no way, misses the point of smaller and lighter, but i admit, i really like it.
I had the same thoughts about X when it was released. I did have a chance to test it again in November and I liked it. That is why I started to think about this.
@@ForsgardPeter I need a camera for my Zhiyun Weebill 2 Pro+ Gimbal, the Mk ii and the Mk iii are both compatible with my gimbal, I suspect the X is too. Chasing people outdoors I would consider wildlife photography. Anybody out there with any input ? Thanks for your efforts Peter 😁 ps I buy 2nd hand with low shutter counts, clearly owned by, and looked after, a genuine photographer.
I appreciate the realness of the review. Now two years after this review I’m looking at the M1X as it is a steal. It replaces a Panasonic G9 that has been the best camera I’ve owned. Looking forward to the even more robust M1X
Totally agree. The grip and feel makes for a great handling experience. I did wonder if it was too big, but now find my FF camera less comfortable to hold when compared with the EM1X
The E-M1X has one role, to make the most of compact telephoto lenses in micro four thirds format photography. For more modest focal lengths, you may as well go for a full frame camera which will be no bigger, or enjoy the compactness of the E-M1 MkIII. The 1X is a wildlife camera.
All the differences you have mentioned are important. For me there are some other points also very interesting. I think the photo qualitiy with the 1/3 is better, and in low light situations the noise is less and it is more easy to reduce the noise (I think this is a advantage of the new processor in the 1/3. You said, the focus-system in the 1X is more modern and I add, that the focus-system in the 1/X is much faster, a big point when photographically hunting birds. Another advantage I experienced, when I took photos of Neowise the comet. I could not see it with my eye, but when I activated starry-focus on my 1/3 I got a magnifecent view of Neowise and made a lot of photos...... and also a point is the weight, since I am not so young anymore, I get tired when shooting with the more heavy 1/X. Wish you all Happy Hollydays and much more important a lot of health!!!!! Best wishes Peter from Vienna, Austria
I bought the m3 for bird photography in may this year and now wishing I got the m1x because of the bird firmware. From this experience I have learned to go for the flagship model if you can afford it. I suspect the m1x maybe more likely to get upgraded face recognition and starry sky than the m3 is to get bird recognition
Good video summarizing the differences between to two great cameras. I am lucky enough to own both. I love the ergonomics and the larger magnification of the EVF on the E-M1X. I do photograph birds a lot and for this type of photography I use the E-M1X. I love the Starry Sky and the Face/eye detection plus the smaller camera size in the E-M1 MkIII. It is a real tough choice. I am lucky enough to own both.
In October, thinking of upgrading from EM5 mk 3. Doing research on EM1X and EM1 MK3. I have always added the grip to cameras, so I was looking at Em1x, but would I like to have the grip all the time. With the price, EM1 mk 3 would be higher in price with the grip. About £150 different. I was given a wispa that Em1x was on the November black friday list. So waited to see what price drop would come. The price did drop by £150 pounds. So I did get the Em1x and am very happy with it, still learning the system, got help with the 650 plus page maunel. I am more into animals and landscape photography, with a little into portrait. Peter have a lovely holiday season with family and stay safe.
I am using the E-M1 mkiii perfect camera, i use 80% for nature birds photography. Yess every one will say use em1x better with last firmware. But EM1X is too big to heavy. E-M1 mkiii with 300mmf4 perfect very very fast.
I rented both EM1X the em1 iii to test the waters when I was thinking of jumping ship from Nikon after over 25 years. I loved them both but ultimately bought the EM1X because I like the way it felt better in my (large) hands. After the firmware upgrade the only thing I feel I’m lacking is the starry AF from the 1 iii as I am a landscape and Astro photographer more than I am a portrait photographer. I hope they add that in a firmware update in the future or make a mark ii of the EM1X that has it all. I’ve since sold off almost all my Nikon gear but will be selling that off soon too now that I’ve gotten more used to the OM-D system and to help finance the new 150-400 coming out next month for my wildlife photography
I have the EM1 Mark III with adding grip and the 100-400mm and the teleconverter MC 20 wich is really great for birds photography. This camera is also great for night sky photography and for birds photography it is really easy to do nice shoots that is why I do not need the EM1X. I think the EM1 Mark III is the best compromise between the 2 camera.
Hi Peter -- this last week I purchased an E-M1x body -- but not at the original price -- I got a very clean second hand body, under 16,000 shutter clicks, for around 1/3 the original price. For that, for me, as an enthusiast, not not a pro, I could justify the purchase. So far, very pleased with it. Please keep up the great work! Your videos are very informative and topics are very timely. And we are so happy to see Finland deciding to join NATO!
I have both the EM1 Mark III and the E-MX1. I got the Mark III first and really like all of its features, the size and how easy it is to carry in my hand even with the 100mm-400mm lens attached. I had no intention of getting the E-MX1. But when Olympus dropped the price by $1000 and gave an extra $300 for just requesting a quote on selling old Olympus gear, I decided to get the E-M1X (add to that the Payboo card from B&H saving the tax). I find the E-M1X a great camera to handle, While I can shoot with the E-MX1 hand held it is bulkier and heavier than the Mark III so walking around with it is not as comfortable carry in my hand. I solved this by using the PD Slide strap. Since I often shoot birds on my trail walks the Bird Tracking is excellent. I found it will even find the eye of a deer, I have pre-ordered the 150-400mm lens and that should be a perfect for the E-MX1.
The EM1-3 can do birds in flight about as well as the EM1-x (Matthieu’s mirrorlessons review) and with practice I am sure you will do well enough with perched birds. I don’t feel bird detection is a deal breaker. Being a good birder might be!
I had the choice between M1-II and M1-X (when the X has been 1000 EUR more expensive) and took the X, just because it feels so much better in the hands, has a portrait-shutter, and 2 joysticks. Even the m1-III with battery grip does not provide the 2nd joystick. In my opinion, M1-X is the better option. I love my M1X.
I recently went through the same thought process and got the mark III. Features, weight and need guided my decision, just as you suggest. Be well and Happy Holidays.
This video is 3 years old but still relavent to me because I recently bought both of these cameras. I got two bodies because when I am working, I usually carry two bodies with different lenses mounted. I really like the EM1X. Even if I move on from M4/3 for work, the EM1X would be a keeper just for fun shooting. But results have been very good, so far. However, even though the EM1.3 is a good tool, I just cannot warm up to it.
If cameras are similar, size and versatility should be your deciding factor. With the Mkiii you have the option of battery grip or not for size and if you use large lenses you can put the grip on. This option you don’t have with the Em1x.
I'm planning to buy M1 mkIII because of the smaller size. But not now, i hope for a cheaper prize 2021 or 2022. I'am no pro and no birdshooter so i don't need the big E-M1X. I like my 5 Mark II and don't want to upgrade to the 5 Mark III. Why i wan't a E-M1 MKIII over my 5 Mark II? Because of the handheld High Res Shot, the better image stabilisation, and the ND filter. Again the E-M1X is too big an heavy for me. And Peter. You will choose the right one.
I had an E-M5 II with the two-part vertical grip, and there was some flex between all those connections when it was on a tripod. I switched to the E-M1 II and the single-piece grip was fewer connections so it was more stable. The E-M1X would be perfect! I also like that it gives you a joystick in the vertical position, that the E-M1 III doesn't have because it re-uses the E-M1 II grip.
If your usual photo bag can allow for the bigger one or not is part of the answer. For others, package offered (12-40 as kit at a faire price) can make the difference also. But, if you're OK with your mark2, maybe wait a little bit of time to see the next firmware wave and see what differences are then (and prices would be lower then)
Had a similar dilemma, but GetOlympus helped when they put a 20% discount on the E-M1x refurbished on cyber Monday. I like using the battery holder on my E-M1 Mk2. I still have the E-M1 original...and have the battery holder on that. The problem with these battery holders is that the battery inside the camera is not easily accessible. You have to remove the holder. Yeah, it's not that hard, but still. I much prefer the battery holder on the E-M1x. I prefer the better weather sealing on the E-M1x. I like the bird detection on the E-M1x. The lens I most use is the 300mm f/4 Pro. Often I use it with the TC20 or TC14. The balance is better with a heavier camera and that lens. For you...maybe a tough call. For me...not so much. I actually like the feel of the E-M1x better than the E-M1 mk2 with battery holder. I haven't tried the mk3 with battery holder, but I'm guessing the E-M1x would win that battle too.
Hi Peter, as a casual photographer, I’d go for 📷 with emotional appeals (4 Fuji X series 📷 & 4 Olympus Pen series 📷). Each just beckons me to go out to 📸 & each yields a different emotive 📸 experience. You as a Pro, would need a workhorse that’s most suited for your bread earnings. There’s just too many choices than 💵 available. Have a safe & wonderful holidays.
This is the struggle I am currently facing. Right now they are blowing out new M1x's on the website for $1500, The used market has these priced similarly. Not sure what to do, but I doubt I would regret either. I currently use an old school em-5, which I love, but it is a little more sensitive in the dark and a little low on the resolution.
The Em1 mk3 and Em1x are pretty much the same price now and I went through the same decision process. I ended up with the EM1X. The slightly larger size worked better in my large hands and when out and about in the field the extra battery was another deciding factor. Lastly the bird AF was more useful than I thought it would be particularly for those tiny little buggers.
I’m shooting RAW to both card slots, and then the E-M1X is still useful when the buffer is full since it still have a high frame rate while the E-M1 halts when the buffer is full because of the slow second card slot. So if you use both card slots and shoot bursts that exceeds the buffer, then E-M1X is the only choise. Nothing is as painful as waiting for the buffer to clear while action is happening and you should be taking pictures.
I would buy the EM1 Mark III with the battery grip, this way you have a small camera and if you use large lenses and do portrait work you can install the grip.
@@ForsgardPeter Thanks. I just upgraded from the EM1 Mark II to Mark III. I notice the improvements in AF and I like having the dedicated ISO button and joystick. Now looking to get the grip so it becomes and EM1X with the grip and stays EM1 without the grip! I hope OM Digital puts a better sensor (maybe the Sony 37Mp) in future cameras, I love the Oly system!
I wanted the E-M1X for the subject detection (bird AF). However, I found the size of the body was the thing that made me choose the E-M1 MKIII. I have to work a little harder when photographing birds, but I can live with that. I also enjoy the Starry Sky AF, which, as you say, is a lot of fun. As you say your professional work involves a lot of portrait work, I would have thought the better AF in the MKIII would be a decision maker for you. But you also say you prefer the ergonomics of the M1X. All in all, I'm very happy with my MKIII. It does everything I need (and a whole lot more), but it's down to personal preference. From your video, I think that the ease of use of the M1X with the dual joysticks may make that the one you end up buying. Either way, you will have a superb tool for your work and leisure.
Among the several Olympus bodies that I am fortunate enough to possess, I have the original Em1 w/ a battery grip. I absolutely love it because the ergonomics are just so fun and based on that, I decided to try the Em1X thinking it’d be about the same size...no, sir. It is massive, it made me feel like I was back to using my Nikon D800E so I went with the Em1 Mark III and I am absolutely ecstatic that I did. I was a bit fussy when Bird AF was not introduced in the 1.3 but the AF is still good enough that I have no complaints. Em1 Mark III is just a fun little devil which has virtually all the capabilities of the Em1X and then some.
I think you should go with what you need which is Omd M1 Mark III. I have also the EM1MarkII and like you I find the EM1X too big. I think the next firmware update will bring some of its features to the EM1MARKIII.
I have decided on this a few months ago. I decided on the E-M1 III. I don't need the bird AF and I preferred the smaller body and the better face detection on the E-M1 III (as I usually do a lot of concert photography).
I have the same dilemma as you - I am a keen bird photographer so the X appeals but then the main reason I moved to Oly from Canon was to downsize and loose weight so in that respect the III appeals - it's a tough choice especially now the price is so similar
I have both the EM1x and the EM1 mk3 and quite simply for me it is to do with what I am wanting to photograph on the day as to what I carry. For general walkaround daily camera I use the Mk3 with the 12-100mm F4 pro. For all wildlife and especially Bird photography I use the 1x with the 300mm F4 pro + 1.4x tele. Most day's I have both setups in the bag in the bag to cover everything but I found the balance on the mk3 with the 300mm and 1.4x to be front heavy the 1x is actually very well balanced with this combo. Also the twin battery built in grip is brilliant on the 1x as I usually have the camera on more when doing wildlife. Also the 2 x UHS2 card slots is also an advantage for fast shooting on the 1x.
Will the M1X get the better face recognition? It is surprising and distressing to me that Olympus has gone and given the Mark III important critical features that the M1X does not have when M1X is supposed to be the professional flagship. Also bites that M1X did not get the Starry AF star/astro photography features the MIII got.... where does the differentiation make sense when the M1X should be getting ALL the features as pro flagship?
FWIW over "Black Friday" the E-M1X was discounted pretty heavily in Australia, while the E-M1 III wasn't. Add on the cashback offer Olympus is running here and the E-M1X was ~30% cheaper. You may find similar discounts locally over the holiday period? (I came very close to buying the E-M1X, despite not being a pro, but the weight put me off.)
Form factor versus features......features that you will actually use, regularly. In a camera such as the EM1x you cannot remove the battery grip. With a camera like the EM1 MkII. You can add a grip.
I already got the em1x , it is the most underrated camera in the market, it is a beast , with features ahead of competition leap years. sad Olympus dropped the ball, and I do not think OMD will fill the large shoe OLY left behind., however I took the risk and got it with Zuiko 300 f4 ( I can afford the 150-400 but it is large and takes the fun away, and nothing beats the prime's IQ)
I was exactly in the same situation, finally I opted for the X, mainly because I will keep the EM5 for it.a modularity. The AI functions are for me more inviting than the face detection. Honestly, as the only camera, I would also go for the Mark III
I bought the E-M1.iii this spring: my main reason at that time was (i) the price (the E-M1x was considerably more expensive then), and (ii) the size (I walk long trips, like 30-40 km carrying the gear). In general, I think there should be a marked improvement in order to upgrade. I'm quite happy with the E-M1.iii, in particular wrt. a slight improvement in IBIS, and the face/eye detection. But the camera is slightly small -- my pinkie slides off the grip. Although I'm not in the market for the 150-400, I think the E-M1x would be "necessary" to take full advantage of that lens. -- For professionals who mainly transport their gear by car, the size of the E-M1x is no big deal. You have longer battery time with two batteries. The only downside may be the lack of face/eye detection. But if that was not a huge problem on the E-M1.ii, then I think the E-M1x would be fine.
The E-M1 MKIII and the E-M1 MKII share the same battery grip (and thus the same battery) so for me the E-M1 MKIII was a no-brainer. So happy I didn’t have to buy a new/different battery grip! I wanted the smaller body anyway (i.e. the grip is removable when desired). Face/Eye detection on the E-M1 MKIII is definitely better - it’s more sensitive (will grab a face when it’s small in the frame) and stickier than the E-M1 MKII. My only complaint is the AF joystick which I don’t need, and the addition of it caused the INFO and MENU buttons to move so I have to remember which camera I’m holding now - I can’t rely on muscle memory to find the INFO button. I got mine for $1399US also. Just need the 8mm fisheye now... gear acquisition never ends.
Greetings from southern Indiana, USA! I had the em 5 mk ii with grip and power pack as a backup. I never really liked the power pack. I don't take that many portrait shots that the power pack is beneficial. I didn't like the weight. Eventually, I got rid of the em5 and upgraded to an em1 mk2 (or 3 - never can keep those numbers straight!) But now the newer camera and backup use the same batteries, so it is one less charger to use. And bringing along an extra battery in my bag is very light. For me to stop and replace a battery isn't that big a deal. YOUR photography, however, may be more demanding where you don't want to change batteries while on the job.
Peter, while we both have almost all the M43 focal lengths we need if I wanted a bigger camera I would be looking at an APSc or small FF like the Sony A7riii, they are somewhere in size between the Mkiii and the EM1x, but the FF sensor would be good for subject isolation and high ISO also the sensor resolution is higher so cropping in for you portrait work would be an advantage. Buying a new camera is always a tuff decision.
EM-1 or EM-1X is not really a question I need to ask myself right now, but I did just upgrade my EM-10 Ⅲ to an E-M10 Ⅳ, and I got more megapixels and the ability to use the electronic shutter in more than a single SCN mode setting.
Hi Peter! I have got a huge wish. As a small Film-Maker and small TH-camr I am always very interested how each LENS you show works as a VLOG Lens. I love your Videos and like the style you show the Cameras and Lenses. But often I miss something like a short "Vlog Test". That is my wish for 2020. Something like a 10 Sequence in "Lens-Test-Videos" like "This is like the Lens looks like a Vlog Lens while walking outside" - I watched your 9-18mm Test 1000x times and I bought it :-) Daniel from Germany. Keep on rocking!
I'm a list maker because it helps me to sort my thoughts out better. I list what I subjects I shoot the most right now, what I want to try shooting for fun and what I might need that I don't have for that new subject. I also list if there are any things that might help me shoot my current subjects easier/better. When I've sorted out what I need I then look at what's around to fill those needs. Then if I can, I try to get a hands on feel in a shop. That's the most important step really. It doesn't matter what it looks like on paper. If it feels like crap in my hands I won't buy it. At the end of the day, people shoot great images with every camera brand out there, with all different sensor sizes and mp amounts, so the spec part really doesn't matter once you sort out the basic specs you need. After that you can buy any brand that feels comfortable to use. Ergonomics rule in the end.
I believe that you need to wait for further upgrade of the EM1-X, both in firmware and processor to add the extra benefits of face detection and star focusing. Thus, the EM1-X will have all the benefits, to meet any photographic situation. Furthermore, the heavier body weight and slight price difference for the EM1-X should not be an issue at all.
Hi Peter great channel just bought a second 1x as Olympus with their incentives make it cheaper than the mk3 my partner also loves the x and she does not have large hands she has a full frame for her portraits and macro but loves m43 for animals and birding will wait for sensor upgrade??? Hopefully to make a decision on a smaller camera but the ibis in the x is still very adequate and the feeling of the x in hand is still the best
Hi Peter I just upgraded from the EM1 mark 2 to the M1 X because of the bird recognition software however what I did like about the em1 mk2 was that when I went birding I will have the grip on to give me that extra Stability with the f4 lens. However when I was just photographing on holiday or doing landscapes then the grip come off and I liked the small portability of the em1 mk2 camera this I miss. I have now been out with the new camera to photograph birds and So far I haven’t really noticed that much difference between the two cameras even with a new recognition software I think I just need more time on the camera?
I went with the III earlier this year, and have benefitted from the handheld hi-res (also in the X) and starry sky autofocus. Technically, it is probably possible for either camera to get the features of the other one via firmware upgrades. Whether or not it will happen, and when, is another matter. Thomas Stirr's blog raves about the advantages of Bird AI.
Asked myself the same question (own an e-M1MkII too (currently under overhaul shortly before end of extended warranty) - and went for the E-M1X, as you mentioned the price is more reasonable now, and 'Black Week' offers gave me an additional discount of 10%, so this camera for EUR 1,800 was a 'bargain' taking into consideration the features (and dual-processor performance - although the 'old one') - and hoping that the additional face detection feature currently only in the 1MkIII will be implemented in firmare for the E-M1X one day soon ... ;-)
I'm fortunate to own one of each: I use my EM1X for birds and mammals and my EM1 mark III for macro - generally speaking. The EM1X is certainly more comfortable to hold in combination with my 300mm f4, but the EM1.3 is fine with my PL 200mm f2.8 and great with my 14 - 150mm f3.5 - 5.6 II and 60mm f2.8 macro. I certainly consider my EM1X to be my primary camera, but my EM1.3 is better for the occasional informal portraits I take of my family at parties - especially when used with my Meike 320P minispeedlite.
@@ForsgardPeter yes the joystick is a fantastic addition! I love that there’s a dedicated ISO button a well. It changes how I use the camera to a way I prefer. I also really love My Menu to quickly access other features without having to dig!
Hi Peter, I’ve been an. Olympus fan for Years - going back to Om4 and before. I bought E-M1MKll and enjoyed using it. However, some times when out and about and trying to get those “In the moment,” shots I got hung up on the controls. Maybe I’m clumsy! But of course I loved the compactness. Although battery charging minus USB was a hassle. When the E-M1X came along I went also to have a look - the moment I picked it up it fitted like a glove! Sure, it’s a bit heavier, ( And I miss the compactness) but it works for me. Battery life good, charge on the hoof, whatever the lens or whatever the shot, portrait or landscape, it’s there. I wouldn’t be surprised if face priority becomes available. After all, both models are unique in their own way? For me the X is better overall -
I went through the same process before I bought the em1 mkIII with the optional grip. Because I don’t have a spare camera, I wanted something smaller if I needed it. The grip is a good compromise for bigger lens to make the camera more balanced. If I had a spare, I might have gone for the m1x. Just to get the best of both worlds. I found the mkIII with grip a little too big for quick urban shooting with small lens. I’m sure I’d get used to the m1x at some point. It’s a tough decision but it’s fun to shop for a new camera. Enjoy the process and Merry Christmas.
As everything in life you can’t get it all, For a person with big Hands the em1x is fantastic and very comfortable. I’ve got my emx1 and I’m very happy with it.
I am an amateur, and have to limit the amount of money. I bought the E-M5 2012, restarting the hobby from my youth in the late 70s. I didn't upgrade to the E-M1, nor the E-M5ii, when they came out, but decided to wait and buy a E-M1 cheaper when the E-M1ii came out. However, I was so impressed with the E-M1ii that I got that (with the grip) and I still haven't used all features. I try to shoot birds, but I'm not really interested in sitting in a hide. I would love the bird focus though. My plan now is to get the x when the y come out.
Being honest Peter, a better or more expensive camera does not make a better Photographer. I guess just see how is my Budget and what i need from the camera and also of course the most important, If I buy one or another as a professional must be realistic and If my job will pay the camera itself. I find it very important. All the best Peter.
Peter, I just got a new em1 mk 3 for $ 1399 from B&H on sale on 11/29/20 I also have the Pany G9, I am not sure if the Pany in lens ois is compatable 100 percent between brands, so I have one body each brand, in case there are issues. Also, the G9 may be a better video camera. But if your interested in the feel in the hand, my XL size hands likes the Olympus better expecially with the L brackets extra quarter inch height. The G9 has a better EVF, Olympus kept the lower rez EVF and older sensor but that didn't bother me, because, the 7 stop IBIS and the use of phase detect AF is better than the G9. If the image isn't in focus or sharp because of shake less noise and better EVF isn't a big help. If you can get a deal for what I paid get the Mark 3.
I am very used to the size and feeling of my GH5 with a battery grip, so now I am having a hard time getting used to how small the Em1 mark iii is. I think I would have loved the ergonomics of the EM1X
Not that I know of. Haven't used G9II or XT-5 so cannot really say. I can say that XT-5 is meant for a bit different type of photography that E-M1X for example. Those two cameras cannot really be compared.
The E-M1 MK III was an easy choice for me. I switched from Canon. The perfect camera for my needs. Professional device that has great features, it's small and light, great ergonomics and adjustable buttons, good price. The only reason it's not the best is that it doesn't have a new feature called "bird detection", which is sad, but I understand Olympus policy. I believe the E-M1X is an excellent camera, the same in many ways, but I personally don't like the size. You don't make a mistake with any of them, it's more about personal needs and small differences.
I own a E-M1ii and am sitting on the fence between these two. I used the E-M1X with the 300 f/4 using Olympus's WOW campaign and liked the lens but didn't like the size of the E-M1X body. I lean more towards the E-M1iii but don't consider it a significant upgrade from what I have. I'll probably wait for the next iterations of the E-M1 and E-M1X before upgrading.
Consider you heart and age... go for the fun part and go shoot some birds 😍 I think you did pretty well with the 150-400 mm test in the soaking rain... that was a great video - thanx
I am not a professional photographer, so I don't have to consider client assignments. On my photo walks I like to have two lenses at the ready, most of the time the 12-40mm and the 100-400mm. For me to have both bodies, EM1X and EM1MKIII makes sense. It's a hobby for me and I don't have to consider the profit factor.
I would go for EM1.3 and add grip when needed. You can make bigger the EM1.3 but can't make smaller the EM1X. Andy Rose wrote some limitations on Bird AF (check his article) and since you are not a full time wildlife photographer, then EM1.3 makes more sense.
I have the MK3 and LOVE it! I mainly shoot studio stuff--product/furniture with it. But I recently started doing some bird photography and that bird AF on the EM1-X looks amazing! So of course, now I'm wishing I had the EM1-X. I wonder if there is any chance of bird AF coming to the MK3? BTW, loved your review of the 150-400. Thanks for all the great content and stay safe!
If I was looking to upgrade from my EM1 MkII and could keep the II then I would get the EM1X. When I absolutely needed a lightweight rig I would take the II with me and when I didn't I would use the X. The X may yet get the Face Recognition upgrade but is it REALLY necessary? I find the FR on the MkII to be pretty damn good.
Peter; many Olympus users switched to Micro 4//3s because of size advantage and the convenience of reduced weight. Based on that there is a significant advantage of the Em1 Mark III in both. Carrying around the extra weight of the E-M1X with its extended camera bulk and required extra battery may not provide you much other than the potential of being able to take pictures of fast birds now and then. Last I checked birds are not paying customers. If it was me I would select the EM1 Mark III. Of course your selection must be on your needs and wants.
Just for the ergonomics alone I would go for the Em1x. I love mine but I will prob also buy the em1 mk3 for the face and eye detect unless they add a firmware update to the Em1x
It was was easy for me. I rented the X, and fell in love with it. it was mostly for the ergonomics and how it felt in my hands. I also shoot critters and birds in the wild and wanted a tough camera. Also, the dual batteries was important as I have always gripped my cameras, and the dual battery setup is very accessible. Using the X with big lenses is also important to me.
Size & price would convince me significantly, given that performance is pretty similar. EM1iii for me on that basis. If you shoot the longest lenses, handling may tip the balance the other way.
For me, the EM1 MIIIand size was the choice , I am travelling a lot, so the weight and size are for me the point.s After 6 month, I think it was the right choice for me
Shall be interested to see which one you choose. I would probably go for the 3, due to the weight. Mind you I would love the bird AF. What a lovely position to be in. Have a fantastic Christmas Peter.
I know this is an older video and you've probably decided on e-m1.3. In your shoes I would have gone with e-m1x probably. Since you'd be keeping your e-m1.2 you still have that form factor of having the smaller size body and you can use e-m1x to try something different.
Off topic question but would you consider the OMD EM1 mkii as a worthwhile purchase? I am looking to possibly move from another mirrorless camera. Thanks
My understanding is that while using any AI option, including Bird AI, they use one processor, and focusing and camera overhead uses the other processor. The Mark III has the faster processor, but in the end, it still isn't enough for Bird AI and camera focusing/overhead. Also, the buffer on the M1X is much larger than the Mark III's. This is easily found on the net, and I think it came from the recently retired Olympus engineer who was the senior guy on the M1X project.
This is fun. Seeing you go through the same endless yammering that each of us goes through when it comes time to upgrade. I have the E-M1MkII and bought the E-M1X. I shoot mostly birds, but keep trying to branch out to other subjects. At first, i thought the X was too heavy to drag around everywhere in the field, but the more i used it, the more i came to enjoy the ergonomics of it over the MkII. Now that bird AI is finally here, i am glad i have adjusted to the size in the field. When the X was introduced, i thought - no way, misses the point of smaller and lighter, but i admit, i really like it.
I had the same thoughts about X when it was released. I did have a chance to test it again in November and I liked it. That is why I started to think about this.
love my X
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@@ForsgardPeter I need a camera for my Zhiyun Weebill 2 Pro+ Gimbal, the Mk ii and the Mk iii are both compatible with my gimbal, I suspect the X is too. Chasing people outdoors I would consider wildlife photography. Anybody out there with any input ? Thanks for your efforts Peter 😁 ps I buy 2nd hand with low shutter counts, clearly owned by, and looked after, a genuine photographer.
I appreciate the realness of the review. Now two years after this review I’m looking at the M1X as it is a steal. It replaces a Panasonic G9 that has been the best camera I’ve owned. Looking forward to the even more robust M1X
Go for the E-M1X , for the times you want a smaller camera you still have the MK II I'm guessing.
Yes, I will keep the E-M1 MKII.
The ergonomics of the E-M1x is fantastic !! Best I have ever experienced.
Agreed!
Absolutely agree, I also use a Sony A9 and ergonomically the EM1X is superior (also to my old em1.2)
Totally agree. The grip and feel makes for a great handling experience. I did wonder if it was too big, but now find my FF camera less comfortable to hold when compared with the EM1X
The E-M1X has one role, to make the most of compact telephoto lenses in micro four thirds format photography. For more modest focal lengths, you may as well go for a full frame camera which will be no bigger, or enjoy the compactness of the E-M1 MkIII. The 1X is a wildlife camera.
For me it’s the E-M1X, it’s a superb all weather wildlife camera. Top notch.
All the differences you have mentioned are important. For me there are some other points also very interesting. I think the photo qualitiy with the 1/3 is better, and in low light situations the noise is less and it is more easy to reduce the noise (I think this is a advantage of the new processor in the 1/3. You said, the focus-system in the 1X is more modern and I add, that the focus-system in the 1/X is much faster, a big point when photographically hunting birds. Another advantage I experienced, when I took photos of Neowise the comet. I could not see it with my eye, but when I activated starry-focus on my 1/3 I got a magnifecent view of Neowise and made a lot of photos...... and also a point is the weight, since I am not so young anymore, I get tired when shooting with the more heavy 1/X. Wish you all Happy Hollydays and much more important a lot of health!!!!! Best wishes Peter from Vienna, Austria
I love the bigger viewfinder on 1X 👌
I bought the m3 for bird photography in may this year and now wishing I got the m1x because of the bird firmware. From this experience I have learned to go for the flagship model if you can afford it. I suspect the m1x maybe more likely to get upgraded face recognition and starry sky than the m3 is to get bird recognition
I did the same. Have recently got the EM1X in the Black Friday deals because of the new firmware.
Good video summarizing the differences between to two great cameras. I am lucky enough to own both. I love the ergonomics and the larger magnification of the EVF on the E-M1X. I do photograph birds a lot and for this type of photography I use the E-M1X. I love the Starry Sky and the Face/eye detection plus the smaller camera size in the E-M1 MkIII. It is a real tough choice. I am lucky enough to own both.
Thanks Peter. I waiting for my em1x . Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas.
In October, thinking of upgrading from EM5 mk 3. Doing research on EM1X and EM1 MK3. I have always added the grip to cameras, so I was looking at Em1x, but would I like to have the grip all the time. With the price, EM1 mk 3 would be higher in price with the grip. About £150 different. I was given a wispa that Em1x was on the November black friday list. So waited to see what price drop would come. The price did drop by £150 pounds. So I did get the Em1x and am very happy with it, still learning the system, got help with the 650 plus page maunel. I am more into animals and landscape photography, with a little into portrait. Peter have a lovely holiday season with family and stay safe.
The price of the grip is a good point. I do have a grip for E-M1 MKII and I could use that with E-M1 MKIII.
I am using the E-M1 mkiii perfect camera, i use 80% for nature birds photography. Yess every one will say use em1x better with last firmware. But EM1X is too big to heavy. E-M1 mkiii with 300mmf4 perfect very very fast.
I rented both EM1X the em1 iii to test the waters when I was thinking of jumping ship from Nikon after over 25 years. I loved them both but ultimately bought the EM1X because I like the way it felt better in my (large) hands. After the firmware upgrade the only thing I feel I’m lacking is the starry AF from the 1 iii as I am a landscape and Astro photographer more than I am a portrait photographer. I hope they add that in a firmware update in the future or make a mark ii of the EM1X that has it all. I’ve since sold off almost all my Nikon gear but will be selling that off soon too now that I’ve gotten more used to the OM-D system and to help finance the new 150-400 coming out next month for my wildlife photography
I have the EM1 Mark III with adding grip and the 100-400mm and the teleconverter MC 20 wich is really great for birds photography. This camera is also great for night sky photography and for birds photography it is really easy to do nice shoots that is why I do not need the EM1X. I think the EM1 Mark III is the best compromise between the 2 camera.
Excellent video comparison between both cameras. Portrait photography is important for me so I would go with the EM 1 Mark 3.
Thanks. Glad it was helpful.
Hi Peter -- this last week I purchased an E-M1x body -- but not at the original price -- I got a very clean second hand body, under 16,000 shutter clicks, for around 1/3 the original price. For that, for me, as an enthusiast, not not a pro, I could justify the purchase. So far, very pleased with it. Please keep up the great work! Your videos are very informative and topics are very timely. And we are so happy to see Finland deciding to join NATO!
Thanks and congrats! E-M1X is a marvelous camera. About the other thing 👍!
Funny... i'm just buying a 1x body and i'm really happy to see Finland in NATO too, and that Orban has finally been bought out by the Swedes as well.
I have both the EM1 Mark III and the E-MX1. I got the Mark III first and really like all of its features, the size and how easy it is to carry in my hand even with the 100mm-400mm lens attached. I had no intention of getting the E-MX1. But when Olympus dropped the price by $1000 and gave an extra $300 for just requesting a quote on selling old Olympus gear, I decided to get the E-M1X (add to that the Payboo card from B&H saving the tax). I find the E-M1X a great camera to handle, While I can shoot with the E-MX1 hand held it is bulkier and heavier than the Mark III so walking around with it is not as comfortable carry in my hand. I solved this by using the PD Slide strap. Since I often shoot birds on my trail walks the Bird Tracking is excellent. I found it will even find the eye of a deer, I have pre-ordered the 150-400mm lens and that should be a perfect for the E-MX1.
Thanks once more Peter, I have tried 4 days several moths ago the EM1 MkIII for free from Germany. I like very much.
The EM1-3 can do birds in flight about as well as the EM1-x (Matthieu’s mirrorlessons review) and with practice I am sure you will do well enough with perched birds. I don’t feel bird detection is a deal breaker. Being a good birder might be!
I had the choice between M1-II and M1-X (when the X has been 1000 EUR more expensive) and took the X, just because it feels so much better in the hands, has a portrait-shutter, and 2 joysticks. Even the m1-III with battery grip does not provide the 2nd joystick.
In my opinion, M1-X is the better option.
I love my M1X.
Addon-Remark:
The EVF from the M1-X is a little bit larger, might be useful für people who need eye-glasses.
I recently went through the same thought process and got the mark III. Features, weight and need guided my decision, just as you suggest. Be well and Happy Holidays.
Thanks. Happy Holidays to you too!
This video is 3 years old but still relavent to me because I recently bought both of these cameras. I got two bodies because when I am working, I usually carry two bodies with different lenses mounted. I really like the EM1X. Even if I move on from M4/3 for work, the EM1X would be a keeper just for fun shooting. But results have been very good, so far. However, even though the EM1.3 is a good tool, I just cannot warm up to it.
Sounds like you would enjoy the E-M1x more, and if the price is that close, I'd go that direction.
If cameras are similar, size and versatility should be your deciding factor. With the Mkiii you have the option of battery grip or not for size and if you use large lenses you can put the grip on. This option you don’t have with the Em1x.
I'm planning to buy M1 mkIII because of the smaller size. But not now, i hope for a cheaper prize 2021 or 2022. I'am no pro and no birdshooter so i don't need the big E-M1X. I like my 5 Mark II and don't want to upgrade to the 5 Mark III.
Why i wan't a E-M1 MKIII over my 5 Mark II? Because of the handheld High Res Shot, the better image stabilisation, and the ND filter. Again the E-M1X is too big an heavy for me.
And Peter. You will choose the right one.
Im in exact dilemma. Thank you for this episode. Im years late when this came out. 1 would go for 1x for endurance or 1iii for newer processor.
I had an E-M5 II with the two-part vertical grip, and there was some flex between all those connections when it was on a tripod. I switched to the E-M1 II and the single-piece grip was fewer connections so it was more stable. The E-M1X would be perfect! I also like that it gives you a joystick in the vertical position, that the E-M1 III doesn't have because it re-uses the E-M1 II grip.
If your usual photo bag can allow for the bigger one or not is part of the answer.
For others, package offered (12-40 as kit at a faire price) can make the difference also.
But, if you're OK with your mark2, maybe wait a little bit of time to see the next firmware wave and see what differences are then (and prices would be lower then)
Had a similar dilemma, but GetOlympus helped when they put a 20% discount on the E-M1x refurbished on cyber Monday. I like using the battery holder on my E-M1 Mk2. I still have the E-M1 original...and have the battery holder on that. The problem with these battery holders is that the battery inside the camera is not easily accessible. You have to remove the holder. Yeah, it's not that hard, but still. I much prefer the battery holder on the E-M1x. I prefer the better weather sealing on the E-M1x. I like the bird detection on the E-M1x. The lens I most use is the 300mm f/4 Pro. Often I use it with the TC20 or TC14. The balance is better with a heavier camera and that lens.
For you...maybe a tough call. For me...not so much. I actually like the feel of the E-M1x better than the E-M1 mk2 with battery holder. I haven't tried the mk3 with battery holder, but I'm guessing the E-M1x would win that battle too.
Hi Peter, as a casual photographer, I’d go for 📷 with emotional appeals (4 Fuji X series 📷 & 4 Olympus Pen series 📷). Each just beckons me to go out to 📸 & each yields a different emotive 📸 experience. You as a Pro, would need a workhorse that’s most suited for your bread earnings. There’s just too many choices than 💵 available. Have a safe & wonderful holidays.
This is the struggle I am currently facing. Right now they are blowing out new M1x's on the website for $1500, The used market has these priced similarly. Not sure what to do, but I doubt I would regret either. I currently use an old school em-5, which I love, but it is a little more sensitive in the dark and a little low on the resolution.
I am considering buying another em1ii. There are still some left at amazing prices. It is enough camera for me.
The Em1 mk3 and Em1x are pretty much the same price now and I went through the same decision process. I ended up with the EM1X. The slightly larger size worked better in my large hands and when out and about in the field the extra battery was another deciding factor. Lastly the bird AF was more useful than I thought it would be particularly for those tiny little buggers.
I’m shooting RAW to both card slots, and then the E-M1X is still useful when the buffer is full since it still have a high frame rate while the E-M1 halts when the buffer is full because of the slow second card slot. So if you use both card slots and shoot bursts that exceeds the buffer, then E-M1X is the only choise. Nothing is as painful as waiting for the buffer to clear while action is happening and you should be taking pictures.
I would buy the EM1 Mark III with the battery grip, this way you have a small camera and if you use large lenses and do portrait work you can install the grip.
That is a good point.
@@ForsgardPeter Thanks. I just upgraded from the EM1 Mark II to Mark III. I notice the improvements in AF and I like having the dedicated ISO button and joystick. Now looking to get the grip so it becomes and EM1X with the grip and stays EM1 without the grip! I hope OM Digital puts a better sensor (maybe the Sony 37Mp) in future cameras, I love the Oly system!
I wanted the E-M1X for the subject detection (bird AF). However, I found the size of the body was the thing that made me choose the E-M1 MKIII. I have to work a little harder when photographing birds, but I can live with that. I also enjoy the Starry Sky AF, which, as you say, is a lot of fun. As you say your professional work involves a lot of portrait work, I would have thought the better AF in the MKIII would be a decision maker for you. But you also say you prefer the ergonomics of the M1X. All in all, I'm very happy with my MKIII. It does everything I need (and a whole lot more), but it's down to personal preference. From your video, I think that the ease of use of the M1X with the dual joysticks may make that the one you end up buying. Either way, you will have a superb tool for your work and leisure.
Among the several Olympus bodies that I am fortunate enough to possess, I have the original Em1 w/ a battery grip. I absolutely love it because the ergonomics are just so fun and based on that, I decided to try the Em1X thinking it’d be about the same size...no, sir. It is massive, it made me feel like I was back to using my Nikon D800E so I went with the Em1 Mark III and I am absolutely ecstatic that I did. I was a bit fussy when Bird AF was not introduced in the 1.3 but the AF is still good enough that I have no complaints. Em1 Mark III is just a fun little devil which has virtually all the capabilities of the Em1X and then some.
I think you should go with what you need which is Omd M1 Mark III.
I have also the EM1MarkII and like you I find the EM1X too big.
I think the next firmware update will bring some of its features to the EM1MARKIII.
I have decided on this a few months ago. I decided on the E-M1 III. I don't need the bird AF and I preferred the smaller body and the better face detection on the E-M1 III (as I usually do a lot of concert photography).
I have the same dilemma as you - I am a keen bird photographer so the X appeals but then the main reason I moved to Oly from Canon was to downsize and loose weight so in that respect the III appeals - it's a tough choice especially now the price is so similar
My go to camera for work and for out and about is my Olympus M1 Mark II with my Lumix 12-35mm 2.8 lens. I don't need any more features.
I have the EM1X with the updated software for Bird AF . This also seems to recognise other animals as well and focuses on their eye .
I have both the EM1x and the EM1 mk3 and quite simply for me it is to do with what I am wanting to photograph on the day as to what I carry. For general walkaround daily camera I use the Mk3 with the 12-100mm F4 pro. For all wildlife and especially Bird photography I use the 1x with the 300mm F4 pro + 1.4x tele. Most day's I have both setups in the bag in the bag to cover everything but I found the balance on the mk3 with the 300mm and 1.4x to be front heavy the 1x is actually very well balanced with this combo. Also the twin battery built in grip is brilliant on the 1x as I usually have the camera on more when doing wildlife. Also the 2 x UHS2 card slots is also an advantage for fast shooting on the 1x.
I always want to know if my other equipment, like a remote controller, will work with the new camera.
I like my M1X enough that I bought a second one. With My large hands the M1X's work better for me than my MK II/III did.
Will the M1X get the better face recognition? It is surprising and distressing to me that Olympus has gone and given the Mark III important critical features that the M1X does not have when M1X is supposed to be the professional flagship. Also bites that M1X did not get the Starry AF star/astro photography features the MIII got.... where does the differentiation make sense when the M1X should be getting ALL the features as pro flagship?
I absolutely agree with you. That's why I sold m1x and bought m1mkiii
FWIW over "Black Friday" the E-M1X was discounted pretty heavily in Australia, while the E-M1 III wasn't. Add on the cashback offer Olympus is running here and the E-M1X was ~30% cheaper. You may find similar discounts locally over the holiday period?
(I came very close to buying the E-M1X, despite not being a pro, but the weight put me off.)
That is a big difference.
Form factor versus features......features that you will actually use, regularly. In a camera such as the EM1x you cannot remove the battery grip. With a camera like the EM1 MkII. You can add a grip.
I already got the em1x , it is the most underrated camera in the market, it is a beast , with features ahead of competition leap years. sad Olympus dropped the ball, and I do not think OMD will fill the large shoe OLY left behind., however I took the risk and got it with Zuiko 300 f4 ( I can afford the 150-400 but it is large and takes the fun away, and nothing beats the prime's IQ)
I was exactly in the same situation, finally I opted for the X, mainly because I will keep the EM5 for it.a modularity. The AI functions are for me more inviting than the face detection.
Honestly, as the only camera, I would also go for the Mark III
I bought the E-M1.iii this spring: my main reason at that time was (i) the price (the E-M1x was considerably more expensive then), and (ii) the size (I walk long trips, like 30-40 km carrying the gear). In general, I think there should be a marked improvement in order to upgrade. I'm quite happy with the E-M1.iii, in particular wrt. a slight improvement in IBIS, and the face/eye detection. But the camera is slightly small -- my pinkie slides off the grip. Although I'm not in the market for the 150-400, I think the E-M1x would be "necessary" to take full advantage of that lens.
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For professionals who mainly transport their gear by car, the size of the E-M1x is no big deal. You have longer battery time with two batteries. The only downside may be the lack of face/eye detection. But if that was not a huge problem on the E-M1.ii, then I think the E-M1x would be fine.
The E-M1 MKIII and the E-M1 MKII share the same battery grip (and thus the same battery) so for me the E-M1 MKIII was a no-brainer. So happy I didn’t have to buy a new/different battery grip! I wanted the smaller body anyway (i.e. the grip is removable when desired). Face/Eye detection on the E-M1 MKIII is definitely better - it’s more sensitive (will grab a face when it’s small in the frame) and stickier than the E-M1 MKII. My only complaint is the AF joystick which I don’t need, and the addition of it caused the INFO and MENU buttons to move so I have to remember which camera I’m holding now - I can’t rely on muscle memory to find the INFO button. I got mine for $1399US also. Just need the 8mm fisheye now... gear acquisition never ends.
Greetings from southern Indiana, USA! I had the em 5 mk ii with grip and power pack as a backup. I never really liked the power pack. I don't take that many portrait shots that the power pack is beneficial. I didn't like the weight. Eventually, I got rid of the em5 and upgraded to an em1 mk2 (or 3 - never can keep those numbers straight!) But now the newer camera and backup use the same batteries, so it is one less charger to use. And bringing along an extra battery in my bag is very light. For me to stop and replace a battery isn't that big a deal. YOUR photography, however, may be more demanding where you don't want to change batteries while on the job.
The EM1-X seems like it is targeted at a niche group of M43 photogs so I'd go with the G9. If I had to get an Olympus then I'd have an EM1-III
Peter, while we both have almost all the M43 focal lengths we need
if I wanted a bigger camera I would be looking at an APSc or small FF
like the Sony A7riii, they are somewhere in size between the Mkiii and the EM1x, but the FF sensor would be good for subject isolation and high ISO
also the sensor resolution is higher so cropping in for you portrait work
would be an advantage.
Buying a new camera is always a tuff decision.
It is a very hard decission.
For me E-M1X the best..
EM-1 or EM-1X is not really a question I need to ask myself right now, but I did just upgrade my EM-10 Ⅲ to an E-M10 Ⅳ, and I got more megapixels and the ability to use the electronic shutter in more than a single SCN mode setting.
If you have the possibility to upgrade, do it. E-M10 MKIV is a better camera than E-M10 MKIII.
Hi Peter! I have got a huge wish. As a small Film-Maker and small TH-camr I am always very interested how each LENS you show works as a VLOG Lens. I love your Videos and like the style you show the Cameras and Lenses. But often I miss something like a short "Vlog Test". That is my wish for 2020. Something like a 10 Sequence in "Lens-Test-Videos" like "This is like the Lens looks like a Vlog Lens while walking outside" - I watched your 9-18mm Test 1000x times and I bought it :-) Daniel from Germany. Keep on rocking!
I'm a list maker because it helps me to sort my thoughts out better. I list what I subjects I shoot the most right now, what I want to try shooting for fun and what I might need that I don't have for that new subject. I also list if there are any things that might help me shoot my current subjects easier/better. When I've sorted out what I need I then look at what's around to fill those needs. Then if I can, I try to get a hands on feel in a shop. That's the most important step really. It doesn't matter what it looks like on paper. If it feels like crap in my hands I won't buy it. At the end of the day, people shoot great images with every camera brand out there, with all different sensor sizes and mp amounts, so the spec part really doesn't matter once you sort out the basic specs you need. After that you can buy any brand that feels comfortable to use. Ergonomics rule in the end.
Good points.
I chose E-M1 III because of the smaller size and weight. That was in spite of the bird AF and I do like bird photographing.
Does the image stabilisation in the new 150 - 400 lens work with the mark I camera?
I believe that you need to wait for further upgrade of the EM1-X, both in firmware and processor to add the extra benefits of face detection and star focusing. Thus, the EM1-X will have all the benefits, to meet any photographic situation. Furthermore, the heavier body weight and slight price difference for the EM1-X should not be an issue at all.
Hi Peter great channel just bought a second 1x as Olympus with their incentives make it cheaper than the mk3 my partner also loves the x and she does not have large hands she has a full frame for her portraits and macro but loves m43 for animals and birding will wait for sensor upgrade??? Hopefully to make a decision on a smaller camera but the ibis in the x is still very adequate and the feeling of the x in hand is still the best
Hi Peter I just upgraded from the EM1 mark 2 to the M1 X because of the bird recognition software however what I did like about the em1 mk2 was that when I went birding I will have the grip on to give me that extra Stability with the f4 lens. However when I was just photographing on holiday or doing landscapes then the grip come off and I liked the small portability of the em1 mk2 camera this I miss. I have now been out with the new camera to photograph birds and So far I haven’t really noticed that much difference between the two cameras even with a new recognition software I think I just need more time on the camera?
I went with the III earlier this year, and have benefitted from the handheld hi-res (also in the X) and starry sky autofocus. Technically, it is probably possible for either camera to get the features of the other one via firmware upgrades. Whether or not it will happen, and when, is another matter. Thomas Stirr's blog raves about the advantages of Bird AI.
Sounds like me between the Nikon D800 and D3s. Solution? Pick ONE thing that is NON-NEGOTIABLE. I needed 6fps or more, so it was the D3s, period.
Asked myself the same question (own an e-M1MkII too (currently under overhaul shortly before end of extended warranty) - and went for the E-M1X, as you mentioned the price is more reasonable now, and 'Black Week' offers gave me an additional discount of 10%, so this camera for EUR 1,800 was a 'bargain' taking into consideration the features (and dual-processor performance - although the 'old one') - and hoping that the additional face detection feature currently only in the 1MkIII will be implemented in firmare for the E-M1X one day soon ... ;-)
I was hesitating between these two. After reading through those comments below I am more firm to go for EM1x.
I'm fortunate to own one of each: I use my EM1X for birds and mammals and my EM1 mark III for macro - generally speaking. The EM1X is certainly more comfortable to hold in combination with my 300mm f4, but the EM1.3 is fine with my PL 200mm f2.8 and great with my 14 - 150mm f3.5 - 5.6 II and 60mm f2.8 macro. I certainly consider my EM1X to be my primary camera, but my EM1.3 is better for the occasional informal portraits I take of my family at parties - especially when used with my Meike 320P minispeedlite.
I’ve had my em1 mark iii for a little over a month and I LOVE IT! There’s actually more of a usable difference compared to em1 mark II than I thought!
There ares ome good improvments in E-M1 MKIII. I like the joystick, what is our favorite?
@@ForsgardPeter yes the joystick is a fantastic addition! I love that there’s a dedicated ISO button a well. It changes how I use the camera to a way I prefer. I also really love My Menu to quickly access other features without having to dig!
Hi Peter, I’ve been an. Olympus fan for Years - going back to Om4 and before. I bought E-M1MKll and enjoyed using it. However, some times when out and about and trying to get those “In the moment,” shots I got hung up on the controls. Maybe I’m clumsy! But of course I loved the compactness. Although battery charging minus USB was a hassle. When the E-M1X came along I went also to have a look - the moment I picked it up it fitted like a glove! Sure, it’s a bit heavier, ( And I miss the compactness) but it works for me. Battery life good, charge on the hoof, whatever the lens or whatever the shot, portrait or landscape, it’s there. I wouldn’t be surprised if face priority becomes available. After all, both models are unique in their own way? For me the X is better overall -
I went through the same process before I bought the em1 mkIII with the optional grip. Because I don’t have a spare camera, I wanted something smaller if I needed it. The grip is a good compromise for bigger lens to make the camera more balanced. If I had a spare, I might have gone for the m1x. Just to get the best of both worlds.
I found the mkIII with grip a little too big for quick urban shooting with small lens. I’m sure I’d get used to the m1x at some point.
It’s a tough decision but it’s fun to shop for a new camera. Enjoy the process and Merry Christmas.
Thanks. Merry Christmas
As everything in life you can’t get it all, For a person with big Hands the em1x is fantastic and very comfortable. I’ve got my emx1 and I’m very happy with it.
I am an amateur, and have to limit the amount of money. I bought the E-M5 2012, restarting the hobby from my youth in the late 70s. I didn't upgrade to the E-M1, nor the E-M5ii, when they came out, but decided to wait and buy a E-M1 cheaper when the E-M1ii came out. However, I was so impressed with the E-M1ii that I got that (with the grip) and I still haven't used all features.
I try to shoot birds, but I'm not really interested in sitting in a hide. I would love the bird focus though. My plan now is to get the x when the y come out.
Thanks for sharing.
Being honest Peter, a better or more expensive camera does not make a better Photographer. I guess just see how is my Budget and what i need from the camera and also of course the most important, If I buy one or another as a professional must be realistic and If my job will pay the camera itself. I find it very important.
All the best Peter.
Peter, I just got a new em1 mk 3 for $ 1399 from B&H on sale on 11/29/20
I also have the Pany G9, I am not sure if the Pany in lens ois is compatable
100 percent between brands, so I have one body each brand, in case there
are issues. Also, the G9 may be a better video camera.
But if your interested in the feel in the hand, my XL size hands likes the Olympus better expecially with the L brackets extra quarter inch height.
The G9 has a better EVF, Olympus kept the lower rez EVF and older sensor
but that didn't bother me, because, the 7 stop IBIS and the use of phase detect AF is better than the G9. If the image isn't in focus or sharp because
of shake less noise and better EVF isn't a big help.
If you can get a deal for what I paid get the Mark 3.
Thanks for sharing.
I am very used to the size and feeling of my GH5 with a battery grip, so now I am having a hard time getting used to how small the Em1 mark iii is. I think I would have loved the ergonomics of the EM1X
2024...is the starry AF or face detection added yet? How does this still stack up to g9ii and xt5?
Not that I know of. Haven't used G9II or XT-5 so cannot really say. I can say that XT-5 is meant for a bit different type of photography that E-M1X for example. Those two cameras cannot really be compared.
The E-M1 MK III was an easy choice for me. I switched from Canon. The perfect camera for my needs. Professional device that has great features, it's small and light, great ergonomics and adjustable buttons, good price. The only reason it's not the best is that it doesn't have a new feature called "bird detection", which is sad, but I understand Olympus policy. I believe the E-M1X is an excellent camera, the same in many ways, but I personally don't like the size. You don't make a mistake with any of them, it's more about personal needs and small differences.
If you use a grip for the MK11, then the 1X would be the one I would go for. Both cameras can be fun. Its down to any extra cost latter.
I own a E-M1ii and am sitting on the fence between these two. I used the E-M1X with the 300 f/4 using Olympus's WOW campaign and liked the lens but didn't like the size of the E-M1X body. I lean more towards the E-M1iii but don't consider it a significant upgrade from what I have. I'll probably wait for the next iterations of the E-M1 and E-M1X before upgrading.
Consider you heart and age... go for the fun part and go shoot some birds 😍
I think you did pretty well with the 150-400 mm test in the soaking rain... that was a great video - thanx
Thanks.
Good gawd, the E-M1X is massive for a micro 4/3 sensor camera
I am not a professional photographer, so I don't have to consider client assignments. On my photo walks I like to have two lenses at the ready, most of the time the 12-40mm and the 100-400mm. For me to have both bodies, EM1X and EM1MKIII makes sense. It's a hobby for me and I don't have to consider the profit factor.
I'm loving your videos. Between the Em-1 Mkiii and the m-1x, for video work priority, which would you pick?
I would choose E-M1 Mark III.
I would go for EM1.3 and add grip when needed. You can make bigger the EM1.3 but can't make smaller the EM1X.
Andy Rose wrote some limitations on Bird AF (check his article) and since you are not a full time wildlife photographer, then EM1.3 makes more sense.
I have the MK3 and LOVE it! I mainly shoot studio stuff--product/furniture with it. But I recently started doing some bird photography and that bird AF on the EM1-X looks amazing! So of course, now I'm wishing I had the EM1-X. I wonder if there is any chance of bird AF coming to the MK3? BTW, loved your review of the 150-400. Thanks for all the great content and stay safe!
I have both and I prefer the EM1X and funnily enough it is because it is heavier. It is much better to hold and the bird AF is very good.
Same here Carol, and totally agree
Thanks Peter, interesting insight on the recent changes.
If I was looking to upgrade from my EM1 MkII and could keep the II then I would get the EM1X. When I absolutely needed a lightweight rig I would take the II with me and when I didn't I would use the X. The X may yet get the Face Recognition upgrade but is it REALLY necessary? I find the FR on the MkII to be pretty damn good.
Thanks. A good point.
Peter; many Olympus users switched to Micro 4//3s because of size advantage and the convenience of reduced weight. Based on that there is a significant advantage of the Em1 Mark III in both. Carrying around the extra weight of the E-M1X with its extended camera bulk and required extra battery may not provide you much other than the potential of being able to take pictures of fast birds now and then. Last I checked birds are not paying customers. If it was me I would select the EM1 Mark III. Of course your selection must be on your needs and wants.
for me I always like the vertical grip even though it is bigger and heavier , so I'm going to end up with the em1x
Just for the ergonomics alone I would go for the Em1x. I love mine but I will prob also buy the em1 mk3 for the face and eye detect unless they add a firmware update to the Em1x
It was was easy for me. I rented the X, and fell in love with it. it was mostly for the ergonomics and how it felt in my hands. I also shoot critters and birds in the wild and wanted a tough camera. Also, the dual batteries was important as I have always gripped my cameras, and the dual battery setup is very accessible. Using the X with big lenses is also important to me.
Good points.
Size & price would convince me significantly, given that performance is pretty similar. EM1iii for me on that basis. If you shoot the longest lenses, handling may tip the balance the other way.
For me, the EM1 MIIIand size was the choice , I am travelling a lot, so the weight and size are for me the point.s After 6 month, I think it was the right choice for me
Size was a big factor for me, but you have the EM1mk2. However you seem to want the face detection more than bird af?
Face Priority is the one I need for work. Thats why it is quite important. On the other hand I have managed ok so far with E-M1 MKII.
how can I use the Hi Rez mode and a shutter delay. I have a EM5 Mark 11 Thanks
I am not sure if you can do that. If I remember correctly there is only a setting for flash delay between shots.
i think the next x2 next year will be very strong camera
Shall be interested to see which one you choose. I would probably go for the 3, due to the weight. Mind you I would love the bird AF. What a lovely position to be in. Have a fantastic Christmas Peter.
Thanks you! You too Merry Christmas.
I know this is an older video and you've probably decided on e-m1.3. In your shoes I would have gone with e-m1x probably. Since you'd be keeping your e-m1.2 you still have that form factor of having the smaller size body and you can use e-m1x to try something different.
Off topic question but would you consider the OMD EM1 mkii as a worthwhile purchase? I am looking to possibly move from another mirrorless camera. Thanks
It certainly is. I will be still using it even though I most likely get a E-M1 MKIII or the X.
For the X there is a chance you will get the face detect and star AF in the future. Bird AI will probably never come to the mark III.
My understanding is that while using any AI option, including Bird AI, they use one processor, and focusing and camera overhead uses the other processor. The Mark III has the faster processor, but in the end, it still isn't enough for Bird AI and camera focusing/overhead. Also, the buffer on the M1X is much larger than the Mark III's. This is easily found on the net, and I think it came from the recently retired Olympus engineer who was the senior guy on the M1X project.