It seems to be the number one request! Personally I don't mind the current shape but I do agree that a cube form factor would be more modular and flexible. As long as it is easy to rig it up and doesn't cost double to make it actually usable with accessories and add ons.
@@OfTwoLands yeah, I'm on a zcam s6 for that very reason. But if BM made a cube people would love it. Especially if it had direct timecode in and 12g sdi.
Jerry, there’s no global shutter on the og pocket. Only the production camera 4k and og Ursa had it, with a pretty big hit to dynamic range as a result
For me, the ideal change for a new 6k pro successor would be a mirrorless lens mount for S35 or Full Frame sensors, as newer cinema cameras and hybrid cameras are using those mounts. Being able to adapt to other mounts can be super helpful for lots of projects, but the EF mount, being a reflex mount, has its limitations. RF mount would be ideal
Personally I don't really need a new mount but the ability to swap would be awesome! And I do understand the appeal of RF, although I have only ever used EF lenses on my Eos R.
@@OfTwoLands I find myself in that same position. I only use EF lenses and sometimes Nikon F lenses with an adapter, but one time I had to use PL lenses and having to change the Mount with the Wooden Camera PL mount kit was a pain (mostly because we rented the kit and once finished, I had to put back the original EF mount which was... Not a pleasing experience😂). But for example, being able to use Canon FD lenses without modifying the lens or using one of those cheap glass adapters would be really easy with a mirrorless mount, as you will 100% have that flange distance diference to adjust and adapt any reflex or vintage lens
I just want a firmware update for the 6kpro that that gives the option for custom anamorphic desqueeze monitering options in camera. (And being able to output it through the hdmi).
If I could wish for improvements on the 6k Pro: stable time / date that doesn't need resetting every other day; proper timecode functionality (with a dedicated TC in like on the GH6); and one more ND stop; oh, and better battery life. One really great add-on would be something like the slide for SSD on the Atomos Ninja, where you can easily use really cheap SSD... but well. A 4K Pro version would be nice but not necessary.
I personally would love to see an update to their Micro Cine Cam. Although quirky, that camera was severely underrated. Even if they used almost the same design but changed to an NPF style back plate and threw an interchangeable front mount or a PL option, it would be an incredible camera.
Update the Pocket 4K version, 4K is more than good enough for most jobs. As for the 6K, a better use of the S35 sensor size for higher frame rates would be good, and different lens mount options beyond EF. The important feature is to maintain the Blackmagic value for money price point.
What i'd love to see is : 1) Blackmagic Pocket 4K (MFT with a similar form factor as the first gen) for travel / super small setup 1) Blackmagic Micro (similar to the previous one) for crash cam / FPV cam / streaming cam in MFT 2) Blackmagic Cinema Camera 6K (APSC, FE / RF Mount) with internal ND and a cubic form factor. A semi pro camera that can be rigged and used easily on set side by side with the URSA
i moved on from the p4k (and black magic entirely) really quickly, but i would move back just as quickly if they released a p4kpro with internal nd and tilting screen. would not even necessarily replace my r5c but i would use it for all my personal stuff
Thanks, very interesting. A few wish list items for me: (a) optical low pass filter; (b) CF Express type B media; (c) Higher performance, which would improve rolling shutter and allow high frame rates without windowing; (d) more assignable physical buttons and wheels; (e) Audio controls in the physical form like C70.
Love my P6KPro. Very few complaints for what it is. But battery anxiety is a real thing with this camera. Also the IR pollution still causes me problems from time to time. Also would love to see them somehow be able to sample down the 6K sensor to a 4K image without crop and maintain braw codec. I love 6K braw but my hard drives are completely overwhelmed. 🙃
Can IR pollution be solved by simply putting an IR cut filter in front of lenses 24/7? Would 1 filter be ok or does every focal length require different strengths of IR cut?
@@jasontaycs7195 I use a Hoya UV+IR cut on all my lenses and it works great. Focal lengths under 24mm may suffer from a slight cyan vignette though but that is the case with all lens-mounted IR cut filters. Luckily it’s an easy fix in post and I rarely shoot under 24mm anyway.
Yes URSA micro!!! 8k, 120fps built-in ND, EF or PL mount, small but bright screen, basically a Komodo killer. I’d still keep the p6k, love how you can pull it out of a backpack and shoot without building up a rig!
I am craving a BMPCC 4K Pro. Am absolutely satisfied with 4K res, and would love to see a revamp of this model 5 or 6 years on from its initial release. I am happy with MFT lenses and working with the Panasonic Leica line i'm completely satisfied, I like to keep as nimble as possible for documentary work, and really don't want to go to larger EF or L lenses. 4K Pro with MFT mount full steam ahead!
Me too man! Of course I love using my EF lenses on the 6K and Pro but having a 4K Pro would be so handy in a lot of situations. For me it would be a great travel and personal camera!
would like an boxy 8K FF Sensor without crop and central shutter. I love the BM colors. Don't need to change that much from my OG 6K RIG, clients are happy. Man I want to remind on your awesome Australia video, definetly one of your best works, colors are on point! Cheers
Thanks for the wish list - I agree with a lot of what you said including; the adjustment to the lineup to include a small 4K model - that would be cool as the 6K tends to get chunky when you stick a cage on it. Generally I love the 6K Pro - it's my A camera on everything I shoot - but I dream about some improvements that would make my life easier: 1a. The ability to lower resolution without crop like the 12K (as you've already suggested) 1b. A handle that has control over start/stop, iris, focus (on auto photo lenses), and a couple of buttons for user presets like FC or peaking, OR the ability to connect 3rd party handles that achieve all of that functionality (so frustrating that you can do all of those things on the RS2 - but not on a 3rd party handle - sheesh) 1c. Better dynamic range, control of highlights and better roll-off 2. Full Frame sensor, but still only 6K or maybe 8K max 3. Better gyro internally to improve the stabilisation in Resolve, as well as improvements in Resolve to control the stabilisation in post 4. Higher frame rates 5. Slight redesign to make it thinner so it fits on other camera peripherals better and balances more easily 6. User interchangeable internal M.2 SSD for storage (Fast 2TB drives for well under $200USD!!) This is kind of what Tilta tried to implement with the screen mod. 7. Better internal battery life 8. Better, cleaner proper IRND's to replace the existing ones 9. Stronger, less plasticky body with stronger weather resistance 10. Less noise across the board with all of the ISO's that suffer (1000 ISO - unusable...) 11. Next level colour science 12. Better spacing on the connections for people with bigger fingers 🙂 I'd also love to see some improvements to BRAW at NAB, like more compressions (15:1, 18:1) - cleaner compression on the higher end of the scale. Also I have some ideas for Blackmagic Cloud service (which is already amazing) - but I'll save those for another post... Thanks
Thanks so much for your comprehensive list! Lots of great ideas and hopefully we will see some implemented in a new model. Looking forward to what BM has in store for us :)
I’m still rocking the pocket 4k, tbh I love it. With all the updates and tips from you I’ve made a great workhorse. I use the Anton Bauer battery and 1TB Angel-bird Cfast card
I definitely agree on an extra stop of internal ND, as well as better weather sealing! Full window 4k 120fps would also be an incredible feature to have too. The above with a similar price tag would make for a worthy upgrade in my eyes!
Always loved your videos and your insights into filmmaking. Thanks for making such informative, chill, and fun content. As for what I want from Blackmagic… global shutter box camera would be up there! And something with a decent enough autofocus to help with gimbal and fast moving one-man-band shoots, because right now I’m weighing Sony vs canon bodies to get something to compliment my 6K pro and 4K for events work.
Thanks so much for the positive feedback and for taking the time to watch the video! And yes, autofocus would definitely help in a lot of situations! So far my Eos R has been a good B cam but I would rather use a blackmagic cam for sure!
Ive been wanting a "Ursa micro" for years now. I personally want the exact camera you described. something between pocket 6k and Ursa. C70 is almost perfectly that. Just has a horrible grip design as you can't rotate it like on the C100-C500 series cams. But I would want this Ursa micro to be more robust and metal. doesn't have to be the perfect cube form factor. just something slightly smaller than Ursa. Great video!
Thanks!! And yes, totally agree. I also don't need a perfect cube factor either, but something smaller than the Ursa with a strong body! I loved my UMP as it felt super strong but as a solo shooter it was a bit too much sometimes to carry around or travel with.
Fantastic review. I'd also love to see a new camera from blackmagic that is in the BOX format like the komodo perhaps. Strong body, redesign, IBIS + Gryo data like what sony is doing. Lastly autoND.
I hope they bring back cinema dng. Braw just doesn't have the look that made blackmagic special- which is why the pocket and 2.5k have gained popularity. Their cameras Lackmagic. Allow cdng through HDMI port Also global shutter.
I'm so close to buying bmpcc 6k pro, i could buy it today if i want to, but I have a feeling that the moment i do it, something new will be released next day lol. Currently pocket 4k gets my jobs done, but Im constantly thinking about optimizing my workflow with internal ND and tilting screen. As for wish list - Pocket 6k image quality, menu system and codecs in Sony FX6 style body with good selection of ports, rear battery and good hand grip. That would be really good sweet spot. I really like the FX6 body and ND filters, but im not impressed with codec and compression options and extremely deep menu system. BM menus have spoiled me.
Haha you never know! There is definitely a big gap between the 4k and 6K pro already. And yes, I understand your idea of mixing the Fx6 and 6K Pro together, would be a pretty impressive cam!
Would love to have a firmware update. For example. Like to have 800 iso as an option in the menu. Now you have to push forward to get to 800 iso. Would be nice to have split screen option with false color and view at the same time. If they release a new pocket version i think they should have better placement for the second record button. An updated original pocket version would be cool too.
if we could get an BMPCC OG form factor with 4k and better frame rates (and braw)? i'm all in, without question. Oh yeah, they'd have to get back to the original Fairchild sensor. My OG's sensor is just so buttery smooth that it just begs to be used every day!
I thought I was the only person having an issue with the date and time stamp slipping either a month ahead and in some cases behind 🙆♂ I thought I must have had a faulty 6K PRO... Sadly I'm kind of relieved to hear that you have this issue with yours as well... It would be great if they could fix this with a firmware update?
I was thinking so many times about buying a 6k Pro but finally did not pull the trigger. I felt always that I have to wait. Would be great something rugged as the RED Komodo, with the possibility of autofocus if that is needed. With an 8k sensor for being able to crop in or for content which needs more resolution, with 120 fps in 4k or 6k without crop, would be fantastic. I would not hesitate to buy it. Probably the price tag would be different but would worth it. Thank you for the video!
I definitely would like the 6K Pro to be more rugged! And yes, with the specs you listed it would be an amazing camera for sure! Thanks for watching :)
Those are reasonable expectations. I would personally love to see Blackmagic join the L-Mount alliance. There is a plethora of lenses available and being an open system, it will have support for a long time. This would also allow EF-L adapters with swappable filters (such as ND, CPL etc) and open up even more options for adapting vintage lenses, thanks to the change in flange distance. Also, there are excellent L-PL and L-EF adapters available in the market already for those with EF/PL glass :)
This makes me want a 6k pro, I really feel they finally nailed what it is about. I got the zcam E2 M4 over the 6k OG as I didnt want to haver to rig a camera that already had a screen and everything on it. though as i shoot just for myself I think the pro offers that flexibility that I could have the camera with me always and get great footage. as the zcam always feels a bit bulky and i feel people watching. . . even if they're not. That said what I would do to improve the pro is. add better ND glass less IR pollution and have it so it has the extended mode like canon, going upto 10 stops. Better battery performance. Potentially using their own battery so it shows %. Dual CFexpress type B cards, higher frame rate in 6k, even just prores if has too. potentially a second USBC slot. a modular version also would be dope.
They really did! And yes, I love the 6K Pro because I can just grab it and go and I don't need to think too much about accessories etc. I agree as well about your wishes for a new Pro, especially getting better/stronger ND/IR glass and better battery. Thanks for watching man!!
@@OfTwoLands very welcome Flo! Finally got round to getting your filmmaking guide! Hopefully it can help me get going on a few projects. I think with the pocket pro it really isn't about going all crazy it's just honing what they have and making it better. Mirrorless mounts sound interesting but you'd end up paying a lot more. Any way all the best Flo
I own the 6k and the R5C and I’ll go for the 6k any day when. I just happened to own the R5C for photos and thought the cinema side will make me get ride of the pocket 6k but that never happened
Yeah I find it really to use hybrid cameras as main video cameras. They are super handy as a last resort or if you are a photographer doing a bit of video but cannot replace a video focused one for sure. I love my R for youtube videos but wouldn't use it for an actual project as the A cam.
All I ask is for better build quality. Stories of pushing in the hdmi/usb ports or screens delaminating is not what I want to be dealing with especially since you got to send it to Australia to get fixed. I don’t care about new sensors or frame rates or any of that. The image and menus and DaVinci Resolve still can’t be beat even by todays camera bodies and pocket line is getting old in the tooth and that’s impressive.
Still just too many quality control issues with the Blackmagic for me to use on a professional shoot. And what’s up with the monitor placement? Not great when rigged with a v-mount battery. Also, form factor. They should just shape the design like a traditional cinema camera. It’s not a dslr so why try to shape it like one? Doesn’t make any sense. 6 stops of nd is not enough. I really hope Blackmagic improves because the image quality is excellent. Charger just a little more and make a better camera I say.
Hi Flo, great video! I was wondering if you also tried/checked out the Canon C70 (since that's also a great camera for travel/docmentary stuff and I saw you have also used a Canon R in the past) In case you did, what did you think about it? And why did you choose to go/stick with the BMPCC6K?
Thanks!! I did think about the C70 at some point to replace my Eos R for youtube videos (talking heads) and as a B Cam but couldn't justify the price really. I made a video about why I sold my C200 and kept the 6K which will probably answer your question in depth :) : th-cam.com/video/cIQNQqEQgd0/w-d-xo.html
I’ve got both and use them together. Some of the functions are better on the C70, such as autofocus, battery life and 4K120 however I still prefer the 6KPro. The C70 is quite soft and despite on paper having more dynamic range it doesn’t seem to be that noticeable. I think the 6K colours are better too plus BRAW is just impossible to beat as a codec. It’s hard to go back from using a 5 in daylight viewable screen as well.
@@JonathanPalfrey I rented the C70 for a documentary and really loved it. I was looking into buying one, but every time I see footage from a 6K Pro it makes makes me hesitating. But the longer battery life, dual card slots and better build quality of the C70 are doing it for me.
@@rickpostdp that’s exactly it. There’s just something really special about the 6K Pro image. Hopefully a new version could resolve a lot of the issues, simple things like a more energy efficient sensor and processor could solve battery life for example with needing to use a much larger camera. FX3 seems to achieve that on tiny batteries.
I believe 6k is the sweet spot but if BM is going 8K I wouldn't be mad. A global shutter for sure and 120fps at 4k or higher would be nice. The Super 35 sensor is great and I personally don't have a need for a full frame upgrade. I've always liked the shape of the body but if BM wants to change it up then so be it. I'd be lying if I said I'm not excited or curious for NAB! Cheers!
Of coarse it downt have a reputation like Ari it’s also 50-150k cheaper also if you look at how many of these replaced cheap GoPros and are agilely used on set I’d say it equals Arri (obviously not as a main camera ) as a car crash or gimbal or w.e camera it cna be used on Sony Venice sets red sets and even arri sets in sync with those camera shooting different things becuas of the quality. I gairentee almost evey swt had one or like it to shoot theatricals etc…now adays
I replaced the 6K Pro once as the screen had a glitch and I needed a quick replacement as I was mid shoot. The regular 6K is still the same since 2019 though :)
The 6k line has been stale for a while. I don’t like the crop even without high frame rate. I think the only meaningful change would be full frame or a super35 Bayer sensor in maybe 4-8k. Things like ibis or smaller body would be great same with codecs and frame rate options but not enough to warrant a new camera imo. Small QoL changes won’t push people that don’t have a Blackmagic camera to shift
Full frame would be an interesting change for sure!! I think a smaller body with IBIS could definitely push people to jump into the blackmagic ecosystem but not necessarily upgrade for BM owners.
I wish Blackmagic would announce an 8K BMPCC so the price of the 6K would drop. Jokes apart, what I would like is not very different from what you would like: I would like an Ursa Mini in a body that resembles the Sigma FP or the Sony FX30 and Fx3. I really like the idea of the modular camera that can be adapted as needed. I wouldn't rule out that Blackmagic would ride the wave of cube cameras and present a 6K Micro Cinema Camera with EF mount and S35 sensor. Let's see what the NAB will bring us
Haha it might happen, who knows! And yes, a fx3-sized new camera from Blackmagic would be awesome! I also think you have a point with the 6K Micro Cinema Camera with EF mount and S35 sensor.
Nice one Flo as always. I was hoping to have an URSA 12k by now but it's still a way off so I'm thinking of getting a P6K Pro to complement my P4K (I'd expect to keep both once I get the 12K). New camera wishes from BMD for me would be a smaller bodied 8K camera with all the features of the URSA 12K but with a 4:3 sensor for maximising anamorphic a smaller body and a little cheaper and only 8K (oh and with a better screen than the ursa line-up has!) That would be a dream camera for me °¬) Luckily I'm not ready to buy yet so it gives them time to get this camera designed.
Thanks man! The 6K Pro and the 4K make a pretty sweet combo for sure. And yes! I would be very happy with your 'dream' cam too. 4:3 would be awesome, I didn't think about it!
Today I share my thoughts on the BMPCC6K Pro after having it for 2 years.
What are you predictions and wishes for NAB?
Cheers,
Flo
6kpro in box format with global shutter! I will buy 2 directly.
@@TLFILMS That would be pretty sweet, especially for sports and docos!
let them increase the price but I wish them producing a Metallic body in a cube format with 4 inch screen.
@@YounusYousuf I take one too
6k with less noise in low light and a 300fps@2k
Cube form factor would be a complete win for BM. Would be so much more practical
It seems to be the number one request! Personally I don't mind the current shape but I do agree that a cube form factor would be more modular and flexible. As long as it is easy to rig it up and doesn't cost double to make it actually usable with accessories and add ons.
@@OfTwoLands yeah, I'm on a zcam s6 for that very reason. But if BM made a cube people would love it. Especially if it had direct timecode in and 12g sdi.
Wish list next version... Give it a global shutter!
I can understand why people would want that for sure!!
@@OfTwoLands especially when they gave it on much earlier pocket CC’s! Like come on Black Magic, actually try to compete with Red….
Jerry, there’s no global shutter on the og pocket. Only the production camera 4k and og Ursa had it, with a pretty big hit to dynamic range as a result
For me, the ideal change for a new 6k pro successor would be a mirrorless lens mount for S35 or Full Frame sensors, as newer cinema cameras and hybrid cameras are using those mounts. Being able to adapt to other mounts can be super helpful for lots of projects, but the EF mount, being a reflex mount, has its limitations. RF mount would be ideal
Personally I don't really need a new mount but the ability to swap would be awesome! And I do understand the appeal of RF, although I have only ever used EF lenses on my Eos R.
@@OfTwoLands I find myself in that same position. I only use EF lenses and sometimes Nikon F lenses with an adapter, but one time I had to use PL lenses and having to change the Mount with the Wooden Camera PL mount kit was a pain (mostly because we rented the kit and once finished, I had to put back the original EF mount which was... Not a pleasing experience😂). But for example, being able to use Canon FD lenses without modifying the lens or using one of those cheap glass adapters would be really easy with a mirrorless mount, as you will 100% have that flange distance diference to adjust and adapt any reflex or vintage lens
If they gave better frame rate options and RF mount, I’d be seriously temped
I just want a firmware update for the 6kpro that that gives the option for custom anamorphic desqueeze monitering options in camera. (And being able to output it through the hdmi).
I want that too, I think it would be pretty easy for them to add it in a firmware as you said!
I’m going NAB next week here in Vegas. I’m excited to see what they launch. Hoping for a Komodo box style body.
I’m so jealous mate, haha!! Keen to see what they have in store ☺️
@@OfTwoLands You're always invited here in Vegas. Maybe a future event! :)
This is a large feat, but one can dream. I'm hoping that they bring that RGB CMOS sensor to their other cameras.
Only a few days now so we will see :)
Yes, please please please!
If I could wish for improvements on the 6k Pro: stable time / date that doesn't need resetting every other day; proper timecode functionality (with a dedicated TC in like on the GH6); and one more ND stop; oh, and better battery life. One really great add-on would be something like the slide for SSD on the Atomos Ninja, where you can easily use really cheap SSD... but well.
A 4K Pro version would be nice but not necessary.
I would love that too! Hopefully they will be a live camera update conference soon :)
I personally would love to see an update to their Micro Cine Cam. Although quirky, that camera was severely underrated. Even if they used almost the same design but changed to an NPF style back plate and threw an interchangeable front mount or a PL option, it would be an incredible camera.
I think it would be, I forgot about that one! A slightly more rugged and beefier version of it would be pretty sweet :)
Ursa Micro 8K. An 8K, 1.3X crop sensor, no windowing and more. Great video!
Thank you!! Sounds like a good cam :)
Update the Pocket 4K version, 4K is more than good enough for most jobs. As for the 6K, a better use of the S35 sensor size for higher frame rates would be good, and different lens mount options beyond EF. The important feature is to maintain the Blackmagic value for money price point.
I really a 4K Pro! And yes, I totally agree, as I was saying in the video the value is a very strong point for the bmpcc line!
I’d love to see a 4K pro as well. The smaller file sizes are nice over the 6K
Yes
What i'd love to see is :
1) Blackmagic Pocket 4K (MFT with a similar form factor as the first gen) for travel / super small setup
1) Blackmagic Micro (similar to the previous one) for crash cam / FPV cam / streaming cam in MFT
2) Blackmagic Cinema Camera 6K (APSC, FE / RF Mount) with internal ND and a cubic form factor. A semi pro camera that can be rigged and used easily on set side by side with the URSA
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
People have been asking for a modular one for a long time so maybe this year will be the one :)
i moved on from the p4k (and black magic entirely) really quickly, but i would move back just as quickly if they released a p4kpro with internal nd and tilting screen. would not even necessarily replace my r5c but i would use it for all my personal stuff
A 4K Pro would be amazing!!
Thanks, very interesting. A few wish list items for me: (a) optical low pass filter; (b) CF Express type B media; (c) Higher performance, which would improve rolling shutter and allow high frame rates without windowing; (d) more assignable physical buttons and wheels; (e) Audio controls in the physical form like C70.
Love my P6KPro. Very few complaints for what it is. But battery anxiety is a real thing with this camera. Also the IR pollution still causes me problems from time to time. Also would love to see them somehow be able to sample down the 6K sensor to a 4K image without crop and maintain braw codec. I love 6K braw but my hard drives are completely overwhelmed. 🙃
Totally agree with your feedback!
4K BRAW would be super handy, most of the time I shoot BRAW for the flexibility not the resolution.
Can IR pollution be solved by simply putting an IR cut filter in front of lenses 24/7? Would 1 filter be ok or does every focal length require different strengths of IR cut?
@@jasontaycs7195 I use a Hoya UV+IR cut on all my lenses and it works great. Focal lengths under 24mm may suffer from a slight cyan vignette though but that is the case with all lens-mounted IR cut filters. Luckily it’s an easy fix in post and I rarely shoot under 24mm anyway.
Yes URSA micro!!! 8k, 120fps built-in ND, EF or PL mount, small but bright screen, basically a Komodo killer. I’d still keep the p6k, love how you can pull it out of a backpack and shoot without building up a rig!
Ursa Micro as A Cam and the 6K for B cam as well as personal content :)
I am craving a BMPCC 4K Pro. Am absolutely satisfied with 4K res, and would love to see a revamp of this model 5 or 6 years on from its initial release. I am happy with MFT lenses and working with the Panasonic Leica line i'm completely satisfied, I like to keep as nimble as possible for documentary work, and really don't want to go to larger EF or L lenses. 4K Pro with MFT mount full steam ahead!
Me too man! Of course I love using my EF lenses on the 6K and Pro but having a 4K Pro would be so handy in a lot of situations. For me it would be a great travel and personal camera!
would like an boxy 8K FF Sensor without crop and central shutter. I love the BM colors. Don't need to change that much from my OG 6K RIG, clients are happy. Man I want to remind on your awesome Australia video, definetly one of your best works, colors are on point! Cheers
Thanks so much man, we had such a good time during our trip :)
A boxy 8K FF I'd say would be the choice for many people!
Thanks for the wish list - I agree with a lot of what you said including; the adjustment to the lineup to include a small 4K model - that would be cool as the 6K tends to get chunky when you stick a cage on it.
Generally I love the 6K Pro - it's my A camera on everything I shoot - but I dream about some improvements that would make my life easier:
1a. The ability to lower resolution without crop like the 12K (as you've already suggested)
1b. A handle that has control over start/stop, iris, focus (on auto photo lenses), and a couple of buttons for user presets like FC or peaking, OR the ability to connect 3rd party handles that achieve all of that functionality (so frustrating that you can do all of those things on the RS2 - but not on a 3rd party handle - sheesh)
1c. Better dynamic range, control of highlights and better roll-off
2. Full Frame sensor, but still only 6K or maybe 8K max
3. Better gyro internally to improve the stabilisation in Resolve, as well as improvements in Resolve to control the stabilisation in post
4. Higher frame rates
5. Slight redesign to make it thinner so it fits on other camera peripherals better and balances more easily
6. User interchangeable internal M.2 SSD for storage (Fast 2TB drives for well under $200USD!!) This is kind of what Tilta tried to implement with the screen mod.
7. Better internal battery life
8. Better, cleaner proper IRND's to replace the existing ones
9. Stronger, less plasticky body with stronger weather resistance
10. Less noise across the board with all of the ISO's that suffer (1000 ISO - unusable...)
11. Next level colour science
12. Better spacing on the connections for people with bigger fingers 🙂
I'd also love to see some improvements to BRAW at NAB, like more compressions (15:1, 18:1) - cleaner compression on the higher end of the scale.
Also I have some ideas for Blackmagic Cloud service (which is already amazing) - but I'll save those for another post...
Thanks
Thanks so much for your comprehensive list!
Lots of great ideas and hopefully we will see some implemented in a new model.
Looking forward to what BM has in store for us :)
I’m still rocking the pocket 4k, tbh I love it. With all the updates and tips from you I’ve made a great workhorse. I use the Anton Bauer battery and 1TB Angel-bird Cfast card
Nice, glad to hear!! I love that camera so much :)
I definitely agree on an extra stop of internal ND, as well as better weather sealing! Full window 4k 120fps would also be an incredible feature to have too. The above with a similar price tag would make for a worthy upgrade in my eyes!
100%! Extra internal ND, weather sealing and no crop in 4k 120fps would be near perfect for me, if it is around the same price :)
Always loved your videos and your insights into filmmaking. Thanks for making such informative, chill, and fun content.
As for what I want from Blackmagic… global shutter box camera would be up there! And something with a decent enough autofocus to help with gimbal and fast moving one-man-band shoots, because right now I’m weighing Sony vs canon bodies to get something to compliment my 6K pro and 4K for events work.
Thanks so much for the positive feedback and for taking the time to watch the video!
And yes, autofocus would definitely help in a lot of situations! So far my Eos R has been a good B cam but I would rather use a blackmagic cam for sure!
A new Pocket size bmpcc would be great!
Finger crossed haha!! Would be so good for travel and personal content :)
Your shots look like a references for a big movie project. Great job, keep going.
Thank you!!
@@OfTwoLands but i still can`t believe you are not slowing down the videos (from 24 fps to 20-22) for "cinema magic"
Ive been wanting a "Ursa micro" for years now. I personally want the exact camera you described. something between pocket 6k and Ursa. C70 is almost perfectly that. Just has a horrible grip design as you can't rotate it like on the C100-C500 series cams. But I would want this Ursa micro to be more robust and metal. doesn't have to be the perfect cube form factor. just something slightly smaller than Ursa. Great video!
Thanks!! And yes, totally agree. I also don't need a perfect cube factor either, but something smaller than the Ursa with a strong body! I loved my UMP as it felt super strong but as a solo shooter it was a bit too much sometimes to carry around or travel with.
I would like to see an update to the original cinema camera geared toward bigger budget productions.
I actually didn't think about the original bmcc. I think the Ursa Micro I describe is pretty similar to what an update to the bmcc would look like.
Fantastic review. I'd also love to see a new camera from blackmagic that is in the BOX format like the komodo perhaps. Strong body, redesign, IBIS + Gryo data like what sony is doing. Lastly autoND.
Thank you!! This would be an awesome camera and I am sure a lot of people would be into it!
gyro is already done mate
better rolling shutter is must or global if its possible, also proper s35 sensor, 1.6 crop is too much
Global shutter would be sweet! I don't really mind 1.6 to be honest, but 1.4 would be nice too.
Imagine if they made a camera with autofocus and IBIS. I know that's not the point but peoples minds would be blown!
Haha, yes they really would!!
I hope they bring back cinema dng. Braw just doesn't have the look that made blackmagic special- which is why the pocket and 2.5k have gained popularity.
Their cameras Lackmagic.
Allow cdng through HDMI port
Also global shutter.
I'm so close to buying bmpcc 6k pro, i could buy it today if i want to, but I have a feeling that the moment i do it, something new will be released next day lol.
Currently pocket 4k gets my jobs done, but Im constantly thinking about optimizing my workflow with internal ND and tilting screen.
As for wish list - Pocket 6k image quality, menu system and codecs in Sony FX6 style body with good selection of ports, rear battery and good hand grip. That would be really good sweet spot.
I really like the FX6 body and ND filters, but im not impressed with codec and compression options and extremely deep menu system. BM menus have spoiled me.
Haha you never know! There is definitely a big gap between the 4k and 6K pro already.
And yes, I understand your idea of mixing the Fx6 and 6K Pro together, would be a pretty impressive cam!
The reason I don’t fear something will come out tomorrow is they just released the streaming version of the 6k pro that’s almost exactly the same😂
Would love to have a firmware update. For example. Like to have 800 iso as an option in the menu. Now you have to push forward to get to 800 iso. Would be nice to have split screen option with false color and view at the same time. If they release a new pocket version i think they should have better placement for the second record button. An updated original pocket version would be cool too.
Split screen is a good idea actually, would help when you don't have a monitor!
And yes, a new true pocket sized camera would be great!
if we could get an BMPCC OG form factor with 4k and better frame rates (and braw)? i'm all in, without question. Oh yeah, they'd have to get back to the original Fairchild sensor. My OG's sensor is just so buttery smooth that it just begs to be used every day!
I do love the sensor from the OG too, such a good image and texture! I don't think it'll happen though. A new OG would be sooo good!!
I thought I was the only person having an issue with the date and time stamp slipping either a month ahead and in some cases behind 🙆♂ I thought I must have had a faulty 6K PRO... Sadly I'm kind of relieved to hear that you have this issue with yours as well... It would be great if they could fix this with a firmware update?
Yeah it can be frustrating, always has been the case :(
All I want is more dynamic range :)!
Wouldn't say no to that :)
I was thinking so many times about buying a 6k Pro but finally did not pull the trigger.
I felt always that I have to wait. Would be great something rugged as the RED Komodo, with the possibility of autofocus if that is needed. With an 8k sensor for being able to crop in or for content which needs more resolution, with 120 fps in 4k or 6k without crop, would be fantastic. I would not hesitate to buy it.
Probably the price tag would be different but would worth it.
Thank you for the video!
I definitely would like the 6K Pro to be more rugged! And yes, with the specs you listed it would be an amazing camera for sure!
Thanks for watching :)
Ursa 12K can do all that at an amazing pricepoint 💁♂️
@@florianropers isn’t that too big?
good show chap, I am going to surprise my daughter with a new cin cam, What do you recommend, the bm4k or the bmpcc 6k pro?
Thanks!! In my opinion the 6K Pro is much more versatile and doesn't require as many accessories so I would pick it :)
Those are reasonable expectations. I would personally love to see Blackmagic join the L-Mount alliance. There is a plethora of lenses available and being an open system, it will have support for a long time. This would also allow EF-L adapters with swappable filters (such as ND, CPL etc) and open up even more options for adapting vintage lenses, thanks to the change in flange distance. Also, there are excellent L-PL and L-EF adapters available in the market already for those with EF/PL glass :)
That's a very good point! Maybe it'll be added to the list :)
Boxed style/modular Ursa 4.6k or BMPCC 6k pro. That will be the only thing I want.
This seems to be the main request!
This makes me want a 6k pro, I really feel they finally nailed what it is about. I got the zcam E2 M4 over the 6k OG as I didnt want to haver to rig a camera that already had a screen and everything on it. though as i shoot just for myself I think the pro offers that flexibility that I could have the camera with me always and get great footage. as the zcam always feels a bit bulky and i feel people watching. . . even if they're not. That said what I would do to improve the pro is. add better ND glass less IR pollution and have it so it has the extended mode like canon, going upto 10 stops. Better battery performance. Potentially using their own battery so it shows %. Dual CFexpress type B cards, higher frame rate in 6k, even just prores if has too. potentially a second USBC slot. a modular version also would be dope.
They really did! And yes, I love the 6K Pro because I can just grab it and go and I don't need to think too much about accessories etc.
I agree as well about your wishes for a new Pro, especially getting better/stronger ND/IR glass and better battery.
Thanks for watching man!!
@@OfTwoLands very welcome Flo! Finally got round to getting your filmmaking guide! Hopefully it can help me get going on a few projects. I think with the pocket pro it really isn't about going all crazy it's just honing what they have and making it better. Mirrorless mounts sound interesting but you'd end up paying a lot more.
Any way all the best Flo
I own the 6k and the R5C and I’ll go for the 6k any day when. I just happened to own the R5C for photos and thought the cinema side will make me get ride of the pocket 6k but that never happened
Yeah I find it really to use hybrid cameras as main video cameras. They are super handy as a last resort or if you are a photographer doing a bit of video but cannot replace a video focused one for sure. I love my R for youtube videos but wouldn't use it for an actual project as the A cam.
Really want to know where do you normally licensing your video, wanna try to upload some too. thanks
Filmsupply. I made a video last year about it so feel free to watch it :)
A shorter mount. Please!
All I ask is for better build quality. Stories of pushing in the hdmi/usb ports or screens delaminating is not what I want to be dealing with especially since you got to send it to Australia to get fixed.
I don’t care about new sensors or frame rates or any of that. The image and menus and DaVinci Resolve still can’t be beat even by todays camera bodies and pocket line is getting old in the tooth and that’s impressive.
A more rugged and stronger body would be great for sure!!
And couldn't agree more on the menus and image :)
Still just too many quality control issues with the Blackmagic for me to use on a professional shoot. And what’s up with the monitor placement? Not great when rigged with a v-mount battery. Also, form factor. They should just shape the design like a traditional cinema camera. It’s not a dslr so why try to shape it like one? Doesn’t make any sense. 6 stops of nd is not enough. I really hope Blackmagic improves because the image quality is excellent. Charger just a little more and make a better camera I say.
A bmpcc6k pro in a boxcam format like a komodo. Add a global shutter super 35mm sensor and I’m in
Sounds quite possible!
Hi Flo, great video! I was wondering if you also tried/checked out the Canon C70 (since that's also a great camera for travel/docmentary stuff and I saw you have also used a Canon R in the past) In case you did, what did you think about it? And why did you choose to go/stick with the BMPCC6K?
Thanks!! I did think about the C70 at some point to replace my Eos R for youtube videos (talking heads) and as a B Cam but couldn't justify the price really.
I made a video about why I sold my C200 and kept the 6K which will probably answer your question in depth :) : th-cam.com/video/cIQNQqEQgd0/w-d-xo.html
@@OfTwoLands Thanks! I will definitely watch that one :)
I’ve got both and use them together. Some of the functions are better on the C70, such as autofocus, battery life and 4K120 however I still prefer the 6KPro.
The C70 is quite soft and despite on paper having more dynamic range it doesn’t seem to be that noticeable. I think the 6K colours are better too plus BRAW is just impossible to beat as a codec.
It’s hard to go back from using a 5 in daylight viewable screen as well.
@@JonathanPalfrey I rented the C70 for a documentary and really loved it. I was looking into buying one, but every time I see footage from a 6K Pro it makes makes me hesitating. But the longer battery life, dual card slots and better build quality of the C70 are doing it for me.
@@rickpostdp that’s exactly it. There’s just something really special about the 6K Pro image.
Hopefully a new version could resolve a lot of the issues, simple things like a more energy efficient sensor and processor could solve battery life for example with needing to use a much larger camera. FX3 seems to achieve that on tiny batteries.
i want only improved rolling shuter. like on 8k ursa12k, 7.9ms
Fingers crossed!!
I believe 6k is the sweet spot but if BM is going 8K I wouldn't be mad. A global shutter for sure and 120fps at 4k or higher would be nice. The Super 35 sensor is great and I personally don't have a need for a full frame upgrade. I've always liked the shape of the body but if BM wants to change it up then so be it. I'd be lying if I said I'm not excited or curious for NAB! Cheers!
I'm the same, very happy with the current model but also keen for some upgrades and pretty much anything they have to offer :)
I'm curious how do you check exposure on the BMPCC 6k? Waveform?
Histogram mostly, as well as false colour :)
Of coarse it downt have a reputation like Ari it’s also 50-150k cheaper also if you look at how many of these replaced cheap GoPros and are agilely used on set I’d say it equals Arri (obviously not as a main camera ) as a car crash or gimbal or w.e camera it cna be used on Sony Venice sets red sets and even arri sets in sync with those camera shooting different things becuas of the quality. I gairentee almost evey swt had one or like it to shoot theatricals etc…now adays
2 years of every-day use! Did you wear out any or are you still on the same camera you first bought?
I replaced the 6K Pro once as the screen had a glitch and I needed a quick replacement as I was mid shoot. The regular 6K is still the same since 2019 though :)
@@OfTwoLands Quite impressive!
The 6k line has been stale for a while. I don’t like the crop even without high frame rate. I think the only meaningful change would be full frame or a super35 Bayer sensor in maybe 4-8k. Things like ibis or smaller body would be great same with codecs and frame rate options but not enough to warrant a new camera imo. Small QoL changes won’t push people that don’t have a Blackmagic camera to shift
Full frame would be an interesting change for sure!! I think a smaller body with IBIS could definitely push people to jump into the blackmagic ecosystem but not necessarily upgrade for BM owners.
I wish Blackmagic would announce an 8K BMPCC so the price of the 6K would drop.
Jokes apart, what I would like is not very different from what you would like: I would like an Ursa Mini in a body that resembles the Sigma FP or the Sony FX30 and Fx3. I really like the idea of the modular camera that can be adapted as needed.
I wouldn't rule out that Blackmagic would ride the wave of cube cameras and present a 6K Micro Cinema Camera with EF mount and S35 sensor. Let's see what the NAB will bring us
Haha it might happen, who knows!
And yes, a fx3-sized new camera from Blackmagic would be awesome! I also think you have a point with the 6K Micro Cinema Camera with EF mount and S35 sensor.
A new 4K pro would be fine! 🙂
I really want one haha!!
@@OfTwoLands Black Magic take my money. 💵⬛🪄
Give us the 4kpro for the price of 6k in s35 or full frame. I am all set to buy it asap.
Fingers crossed!!
Short flange mount pls! :) EF mount is such a turn off for this Nikon shooter :)
You are not the only one wanting this it seems!
Great job! Keep it up! Thank you!
Thanks!!
Nice one Flo as always. I was hoping to have an URSA 12k by now but it's still a way off so I'm thinking of getting a P6K Pro to complement my P4K (I'd expect to keep both once I get the 12K). New camera wishes from BMD for me would be a smaller bodied 8K camera with all the features of the URSA 12K but with a 4:3 sensor for maximising anamorphic a smaller body and a little cheaper and only 8K (oh and with a better screen than the ursa line-up has!) That would be a dream camera for me °¬) Luckily I'm not ready to buy yet so it gives them time to get this camera designed.
Thanks man! The 6K Pro and the 4K make a pretty sweet combo for sure. And yes! I would be very happy with your 'dream' cam too. 4:3 would be awesome, I didn't think about it!
@@OfTwoLands Especially now that you can get more 'affordable' anamorphics like the Atlas Mercury range.
did they remove 72fps 6k on the latest update?
I haven't checked, but I doubt it.
@@OfTwoLands i cant find it anymore 🥲
i want higher fps (200+) at 4k/6k without crop
200+ is pretty crazy but I did have fun with 240 on the 12K! I'd settle for 120 no crop I think :)
You probably hate it, but I would love to have IBIS
I wouldn’t hate it at all, it would be super handy! It’s just not a priority for me at the moment.
Totally understand!
Better firmware for their cameras haha
Haha fair enough!