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Your videos are much better than the content you discuss in them with the sequels... It's almost kind of a waste Not that your videos aren't still entertaining.... It's just not as compelling when the lore of the sequels is just a hot mess of inconsistent nonsense and your analysis of this just has a sifting through the rubble vibe at a certain point.
Good video... But nothing makes sense about 7,8,9... How did the get the materials, the crew without th republic knowing/hearing about it. Both the first and final order. Without anything to start with they build both fleets/super weapons. They kidnapped a shit ton of children etc... 10.000 ships... Crews of 20.000 ( taken off 3000 old empire people)... That's about 200 miljoin human ( first and final order seem to be human only) kids for the army... And that's just for the final order fleet. Not the first order, or ground army etc etc. And all the resources it takes to make these etc... Just a other jj plot hole. Think your reasoning is sounds. But it's just to insane. Hundreds of million kids abducted for the amrys. All the time and effort to train them. Making 2 super weapons for the first order, while making this fleet. With any of this coming back to the republic. While being in the unknown regions.... Yeah nope. Just nope
"You shall serve the Sith gloriously!" "How so, my lord?" *gets handed a shovel* "Start digging. These star destroyers aren't going to bury themselves." "Why--- why do we need to bury them?" "So I can dramatically lift them out of the ice in a decade or two. Duh."
Ya see, that's the same reason Luke was on that cliff. JJ thought it looked cool even though logically Luke would never abandon his friends. Only way it would make sense is if Luke did something so shameful that he couldn't trust himself to make the right call and felt the Galaxy would be better off without him... like considering killing your nephew.
@@Smellbringer but even if luke did try to kill his nephew, he whouldnt let him run around killing people, luke whould have tried to fix his mistakes instead of hiding in an island to die
watch Generation Tech's video on why Palpatine wanted The Empire to fall, he spins in it way that's pretty satisfying. It doesn't fix the dumb end of that plan though, nothing can. But he manages to connect discreet threads from all the way back from the OT, that colors it in a way that makes sense.
Симеон Колев in 1-3 I’d at least give him credit for weaseling his way to chancellor and then quietly playing both sides of a war against one another in order to militarize the republic and gain emergency powers
It seems the Star Forge or something similar was being hinted in the concept art as being essential for the fleet buildup. It’s too bad, that would be a great addon. It explains so much: how the fleet was created, why there’s so many people just living on an ice rock on Exegol, why Palpatine even bothered going to Exegol in the first place (to find the “origin of darkness”, a Star Forge).
Even better, it being un-replicable Xenotech removes the possibility that any rando with a slave army could make a stupidly enormous fleet in a short period of time.
Exegol was no ice rock. The novelisation states that it was just one hot, flat, dusty ball of rock with lightning striking everywhere and not a ray of sunlight to be seen. The only defining feature on Exegol at all was the Citadel of the Sith Eternal.
Would be a massive improvement for sure. But still then that would have been needed to be build up in the movie itself in a satisfying way. Or... even better that could have been a subplot for episodes seven and eight, just like Palestine returning at the end of episode eight would have been much better. But that would have required a lot more planning before they started making these movies.
@@raymondcoventry1221 One may argue Dark Empire was good it may have had some problems but atleast it was realistic and made it have sense while Rise of Skywalker they just uncaringly written them in saying "Fu*k it! It's too hard! I got a report due tomorrow, just take my crappy script maybe nobody in the audience will notice."
Yeah, honestly It makes so much more sense that they are just a huge collection of old SD's hidden after the fall of the DS2. Like really it makes sense and works with the story, idk why all these big movie makers decided that it was a great idea to just, have bigger star destroyers with planet killing weapons on each of them... so much tech that just wasn't used? Built and developed by resources NEVER established in ANY canon, legends, or even in the sequels. Its just disappointing
it would make much more sense if it was that way because there's not a lot of lore surrounding the onagers and it would explain why so many star destroyers disappeared
That would be pretty dope, although it'd require a lot of setup, star forge was destroyed and would have to be rebuilt. If somehow he got a hold of rakatan records and recreated the star forge and could fuel the production, that would be very interesting indeed. But a bit too "out there" and complex for a mainstream movie, I imagine
@@tarfeef101 Yeah. Let's say he discovers the Rakatan records on Rakata Prime and rebuilds the SF. I doubt he's simply enlarge the ISD-1 and put a giant laser on the bottom lol.
@@tarfeef101 Something like that needs at least a few movies worth of build-up. Honestly I'd dislike the movie even more if they just pulled the star forge out like it was nothing. Besides I'm still holding out hope for a KOTOR Disney+ series. KOTOR wouldn't work well as a trilogy imo and would be better suited to a series as you could fill in a lot more story and plot and give all characters a proper arc.
Another question is where did he get the 27 million crew members and the food to feed them? Figuring 27,000 per ship. Absurd plots and scenarios are all the rage in movies these days. But why ruin Star Wars in almost every way? It is like a complete ruination.
Ship Designers: JJ we have many new star destroyer designs that could serve as kylo's flagship, and new ship of the fir- JJ: or to make it cheaper, we should reused old footages and edit them, then put a big superlaser on a star destroyer then done. Ship Designers: but but but....... JJ: Get Out!
I like how it took almost 20 years to complete one death star and it took massive outsourced slave labor from multiple planets while taking resources from many more planets.
It's more silly when you take them at their word that the fleet is composed entirely of one class of capital ship in the thousands without anyone in the shipbuilding or financial sector having an inkling of the undertaking. And they kidnapped First Order prodigies without suspicion?
All the xystons combined wouldn't amount anything close to the mass of the death star. And remember, all these ships were crewed. There were millions of people on Exegol who could work on building the ships.
By that logic there is literally no explaination for how the second death star was built in a few years with completely new resources. We are made to assume that the empire learned a lot from the first death star which allowed the fast and cheaper creation of the second one and also made it possible to eventually create smaller death star tech as seen in the last jedi and the rise of skywalker. Don't think too much about it because in a big galaxy there is always an unlogical logical answer.
The real mystery is not how Palpatine made a secret fleet of 10,000+ super ships, but rather why he parked them in the one place in the galaxy where they can all be destroyed in an afternoon.
Actually, the other question is, why bothering with a gigantic resources starving Death Star when he could just have 3000 lads in one of these and destroy planets undercover. One of these destroyers were the peak of Star Wars power, now even 10K is easy to destroy 😂
"My Emperor; We have the infinite vastness of space to hide this titanic fleet in, where do you desire we put them?" Palpatine: "Bury them on this one barren wasteland of a planet."
The single detail of the Xystons rising from the ground is a real thorn on speculation's side, all because JJ found it visually appealing. My theory is that the hangars seen in the artbook are situated way underground and are actually where the fleet emerges from, and they break the ground level as they ascend.
2:56 You see, that ship in the background can fly up without a tower, why aren't the others trying to get into a battle formation while they have time?
emp: lets build a huge fleet not in a orbiting shipyard but inside a middle of nowhere planet that none can even get to. officer: but sir how are we going to feed the massive workforce this will need, we cant ship it in without giving away the position of your new secret base. and nothing can grow on that dustball emp: Fuck it just let them eat rocks
So you're telling me dozens of cargo ships requiring hundreds of crewmen, all of which had to be in on the project were diverted through an incredibly dangerous hyperspace lane that you can only find using a holocron over and over for decades without anyone noticing?
I assume it came from the same place that pretorian guards knife went when he was fighting Rey. It’s a dimension with all kind of plot friendly items in it
@@lesliehawkins5778 that actually went the same place they kept center point station until they needed it for a book. It’s also the dimension marvel characters like the builders and perpetua come from
We need a video on why.. no.. HOW did old Palpatine have a massive fleet of star destroyers built that were incapable of flying UP, straight up, without a nav beacon. Did their animation software crash when they attempted to move the massive cut and pasted fleet on the Y-axis? Did they write all the star destroyer pilots to be nothing but Karens who argued with the rest of the bridge crew when told to just fly straight up? Did someone leave the air brakes on? Did they forget to fill the star destroyer space-DEF tanks before taking off triggering limp/idle mode right after rising out of the ground? When they stopped, was that the moment when the non-local-metaparticle and an anti-backwards crystal were brought together rendering their fuel completely useless?
I think it would be much better, if Exegol was a secret cloning center like Kamino; while Starkiller Base would be a shipyard, explaining where the First Order got it's fleet and army.
He always does... even and possibly most impressively when he tries to make sense and a rationalization of the Disney era... dang if only he were involved... we might have enjoyed the Disney trash lol
I only saw the movie once, but in the theatre I got the impression that Palpatine was conjuring them into existence using Exegol and the dark side of the force.
While the Xystons may not be Imperial 1 refits it is still possible that Palps sent out fleets of Imperial 1s into the unknown regions and had those ships cannibalized and broken down for materials with which to build his Xyston fleet. We already know he had seeded fleets of ships in the Unknown region along with The Eclipse so it’s likely the Sith Eternal broke down a lot of these ships for parts and then used schematics from Kuat to build them and subsequently burry them under Exegol to hide them from both the New Republic and First Order
There is a canon Eclipse... it’s just an Executor class however. My main issue with the theory is that, well... it’s lazy in the worst way imaginable. The changes some numbers on the model’s scaling to call the bigger and more threatening, and then slapped a super laser weak point so the it’s ten thousand Death Stars to scale up the visible stakes of the movie while continuing to neglect the heart and soul of Star Wars... the themes of family and friendship, and the struggle to do what’s right in the face of what is easy or natural for the given circumstances.
Rey: How did you get all these ships? The Senate: AH .... Hmmmmm... How did I get these ships? The fandom: You got me, by all accounts it makes no sense. The Senate: Anyways, Back to buisiness.
Joe Kerr with an entire galaxies worth of resources, millions of slaves, years and years to build, plus they already had plans they just upscaled them.
Some one told JJ about the Lusankya and he was like 'Oooooh i like that but what if bigger' 'then a super star destroyer tearing through the surface of the galactic capital ?' 'yesss...MOAR! GIVE ME MOAR!'
10,000 ships, 30,000 K per ship crew. 300,000,000 people atleast. Like I can understand the construction... but what the ever living fuck was going to be their explanation of that shit.
@@AF-sb3jk At least the Star Forge made, "theoretically", some sense. Couldn't they have just tied it in? I'm sick of Disney "inspiring" themselves on the EU stuff.
Ya know, I kinda thought of a way they could’ve done Luke’s character far better while also hinting at the return of Palpatine (or what I would’ve preferred far more, Abeloth) basically make it so when the First Order began to rise Luke could feel a massive disturbance in the force, at such an extent that he had never felt before, so he went to the island in search of knowledge but didn’t tell anyone so as not to cause unwarranted panic, he wanted to be sure before he told anyone, but when he arrives a storm knocks out the controls in his x-wing and causes it to crash, essentially stranding him and leaving him with no way to contact anyone, and while there he learns that something old and terrible is on the brink of returning but he can’t warn anyone to it’s coming, this could also be Kylo’s reason for turning as maybe he feels it too and believes that Luke has abandoned them as Luke had no way of telling anyone where he was, so he falls to the dark side to try and gain the power to oppose what is coming, and the whole time Luke is on the island waiting for someone to arrive, desperately hoping they will be on time for him to warn them of the coming calamity and for him to be able to train others to help him face it. It’s pretty rough and obviously would need more detail and probably a better explanation for why he didn’t tell anyone and why the map was in two parts but I would’ve liked something like that far more than what we got
nah, i'm just hoping they do not touch anything from the canon (aka EU) and stay away as far from any existing concept as they can. Just so they only destroy their own content as they create it and not do injustice to all the good writers and story of the expanded universe. I hope they never use any character from there again if they can even invent anything not retarded. At this point, i fear for anything created by them regardless of theme.
My fan theory to make sense of Episode IX: the atmosphere of Exegol is hallucinogenic. There was only ever one Xyston-class destroyer, the one that went to Kijimi. Everything about the Emperor and his fleet and the Rebel fleet (and especially the horses) was just the main characters tripping.
i think their both depressing, the only good thing disney can come up with is the mandalorian and clonewars episodes while legends can come up with thrawn trilogy and imperial remnant stories. Legends could've been great but then they came up with abeloth, yuuzhan vong, and a bunch of fuckin weird stuff. thats why i have my own canon made up of the good parts of disney canon and egends
So it was the Sith that built the fleet. Interesting, I didn't realise those who dabbled in the Darkside actually had the skill set of welders, pipefitters and Sparkys. More or less all the skills you need for building a fleet of ships.
They started building these during the Empire’s Heyday and continued throughout the decades since then in secret. This was covered in one of the new canon’s Darth Vader’s runs. I don’t know when it was released and such as I only seen vids covering this on StarWars Comics a lot. I think they did this around the time this vid was released as I somewhat remember those vid were released around the same time.
What would have happened if the Resistance hijacked the Xyston that destroyed Kijimi and used it to destroy Exegol while the fleet was still buried? Would that have destroyed them all and killed Palpatine again? Would the person who fired the superlaser be possessed by Palpatine through his "strike me down" force BS? This seems like it would have been a very easy way to solve every Final Order problem at the same time.
I literally thought that was how the movie would be solved when I first saw it. I thought they were going to infiltrate the ship, take it over in a "epic battle", and then blow Exegol up. It would still be dumb, just not quite as stupid.
it just seems so redundant, the first order was ALREADY a secret organization from the unknown regions, now there's ANOTHER even MORE secret organization. is there something even more secret than the Sith Eternal?
Yes there always was a greater evil that is constantly fraught by the chiss syndicate. Think grand admiral thrawn but hes only one man of a elite force constantly fighting outside the edge of known space. The book Thrawn explains it in the first few chapters
I totally misread the title, I thought it said “Rise of Skyladder” and I was like “I see what you did there 😎” Then realized I was completely mistaken haha
Honestly I wish their answer was they were modified star destroyers that received a secret and mysterious transmission with coordinates and instructions in the voice of palpatine to go to exogal. it could have been a great addition to palpatine contingencies
I wonder which is more believable: 10,000 new, huge ships designed to look almost identical to decades old Star Destroyers that are made using materials & money without being noticed by the New Republic or The First Order OR Someone in The Empire developed a device that could change the size of an object and then Palpatine ordered 10,000 Star Destroyers to travel to an unknown location which were then made bigger using said device. The ships were made bigger just so the new planet-killing lasers can actually fit on the ships which would take a lot of time & resources to develop & manufacture....but the ships would've already been taken care of.
So it's basically Bane's Rule of Two compacted into a generation. We have the same process of Sith infiltrating halls of power, diverting the Republic's financial and industrial capacity to secret military projects, and attempts to wipe out the Jedi in one fell swoop. We've seen all of this before, just done better.
"And be sure to not make fighters or anything to defend those ships. That huge ass cannon and turrets should be enough to defend them. And make them all be controlled from just one of the ships. Also don't forget to send one of the ships alone ahead of every other ship to destroy this one random backwards planet to make a tramatic display of.... something".
This throws up even more questions than answers. How can the "secretive" Final Order siphon off enough resources and man-power that not even the Empire had? Furthermore, if, production capabilites and interconnectivity existed within the Unknown Regions, one would assume that they would be more included into the wider galactic community. We've been told that the Unknown Regions is a mostly dispopulated area that has very few stable hyperlanes, so somebody would have had to notice the vast amounts of freighters, transports and material going into the unknown regions. Furthermore, where do all these people come from? Yes, some of them are "poached" from the First Order, which is still actually a fringe organization far smaller than the Empire ever was. Did the Emperor somehow transplant all these people from the Galactic Empire to the Unknown Regions? Neverminding the amount of people that would be needed to simply crew the fleet you need a huge logistical network to support such a fleet. Dozens of massive shipyards, mines on a planetary or system-wide scale and all the manufacturing processes inbetween. That would already be a huge amount of people. And even of we say that he's done this since the beginning of his ascension as a sith, and a very generous birthrate of 2 per person, it would still take a huge number of people. If we add all the other essential industries necessary, breaking it down into food, medicine, clothing, combat equipment, basic furniture, and more that you can think of, it seems very unlikely to me that Palpatine could have ever pulled off extracting that many resources without it being noticed, even as Emperor. The whole movie is just so frustratingly non-logical, even in-universe (ignoring the bits were it doesn't stay internally consistent. Frigging shields in atmosphere not working) it's stupid. And if anybody will argue that the Sith Eternal or whatever they are called have been there since even before Palpatine, what were they doing out there? Just biding their time, being peaceful Dark Side monks? Because they seemed to have alot of galsctic events pass them by, especially the annihilation of the Jedi. Would've been a perfect opportunity to announce themselves then. But then who was their leader? Somebody like Naga Sadow after fleeing from the Jedi?
Exegol's atmosphere must have been hallucinogenic. If everything that happened there was just a hallucination by the main characters, the movie makes so much more sense.
Even though they're definitely not Imperial-class Destroyers I like to pretend that they're the ones that "disappeared" at the end of the war. They came to Exegol and were refit/upgraded by the Sith cult.
My head canon is that the Xyston class SD were left over ISD 1s that Palpatine sent to Exogol where the Sith Cultist modified them with the super laser. This would be an easy retcon too
One thing I think we should think about. Is how did Palpatine manage to acquire the amount of manpower necessary to crew all of the Xyston class star destroyers. Due to each Xyston having a crew of 29,000, so if Palpatine had 10,000 ships that would mean he would have to get around 290,000 crew for all the star destroyers. Just a quick thought.
My interpretation was always that it was similar to the Mt. Tantis operation, using cloning to supply the talent and manpower the Sith Eternal needed to build this fleet. I can see a massive planetside drydock facility churning these out steadily for years, 10000 is a lot but if you can actually dedicate a planetary population and all the planet's resources to the project I think you can get pretty far. You still need the First Order and the preceding Imperial Remnant in the Unknown Regions to provide certain resources, cloning templates, and research in particular, but with all the knowledge of the Empire at their disposal I think they could've pulled it off in secrecy even from the first order on a handful of planets if not just on Exegol
Rise of Skywalker is a carefully crafted treatise on how to make a movie where the audience does not care about the characters or even what is happening next in the plot. It will be studied in film schools for decades as an example of what not to do.
#askeck Why did it feel like the death of the World Brain of Coruscant (formerly Yuuzhan'tar) in Legacy of the Force didn't really do much to affect Coruscant? Shouldn't the death of the entity coordinating the climate and nature of the planet for the last 12 or so years have caused huge disruption?
Great video. No real problem with size of the fleet. In my mind one system should have plenty of resources to build that many ships. I mean the size of the Death Star wasn't a problem, it was working out the issues with the superlaser. I think it's not a good comparison to the Legends 25,000+ Imperial-class either, because I think there would be other Star Destroyer classes, plus smaller and larger ships. In the end that's how you get millions of warships for the orginal Empire. Only bad part IMO was the dumb no shields in atmosphere, they are all in one place, and the Resistance plot armor single navigational beacon thing.
I imagine a IX episode better than TROS. I think Snoke was a fail clone of Palpatine who wants to keep the heritage of the sith turning Ben Solo in the dark side. Snoke willingly let die by Kylo Ren. I create also a sith clone of Anakin with Palpatine DNA. A episode IX in which Rey and Ben Solo after his redemption fight this sith clone of Anakin Skywalker would be so great. At the end, Ben and Rey decide to not create a new jedi order but to share the force bending for everyone.
Perhaps Exegol has massive underground caverns and the ships were built there. It's a good place to hide a project that big, and it explains why they were buried
#AskEck Can you do a video about the Chimera from Resistance vs the Locast from Gears of War? Which two factions is more deadlier and has more powerful legions?
you can say the same about the clones, they came out thinn air(not really but few knew about it) these ships could have been planned for the von invasion way back by Palpatine
except we know how clones are made and where. Also, why wouldn't Palpatine have used these to crush the Rebels then? Imagine the rebel fleet trying to fight an armada of death star destroyers.
The ideea of Star Destroyers going through the ice through osmosis kracked me up. Makes me remember the days I was studying for medicine school. Did Miss EckhartsLadder had an input on this joke?
How did the Empire build, (& man), ten thousand ships? I'm still wondering how the resistance came up with even more, but not a one comes to aid Leia in Ep. 8?
I think it would be much better, if Exegol was a secret cloning center like Kamino; while Starkiller Base was a shipyard, explaining where the First Order got it's fleet and army.
I have put a little thought into this. I think a false ground layer was established around the destroyers. Similar to the ground in Rebels episode 21-22 with the Sith temple on Malachor. Would explain the rising out of the ground. Would allow you to service and load crew and munitions on such a fleet well waiting for the right time to strike.
I would say the pulled the Executor trick: Every shipyard was building the same ship(s). Legends had it that the imperial senate approved only the Executor to be built, so Palpentine had 4 shipyards each build the Executor.
Ok, I would accept that the Xystons were built underground - just like the Yamato. But to imagine digging a hole in the ice a 1km long and 500 wide - not to mention the depth - is insane. And I am not even considerating the energy required, but just the time to buylid those ships, dig the hole and cover them back.
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You can't keep me away forever eck, you can't block me on here
Your videos are much better than the content you discuss in them with the sequels... It's almost kind of a waste
Not that your videos aren't still entertaining.... It's just not as compelling when the lore of the sequels is just a hot mess of inconsistent nonsense and your analysis of this just has a sifting through the rubble vibe at a certain point.
#AskEck
*Attempt 777*
Do the Forerunners vs the Imperium of Man faction versus video.
Good video... But nothing makes sense about 7,8,9... How did the get the materials, the crew without th republic knowing/hearing about it. Both the first and final order.
Without anything to start with they build both fleets/super weapons. They kidnapped a shit ton of children etc... 10.000 ships... Crews of 20.000 ( taken off 3000 old empire people)... That's about 200 miljoin human ( first and final order seem to be human only) kids for the army... And that's just for the final order fleet. Not the first order, or ground army etc etc.
And all the resources it takes to make these etc... Just a other jj plot hole.
Think your reasoning is sounds.
But it's just to insane.
Hundreds of million kids abducted for the amrys. All the time and effort to train them.
Making 2 super weapons for the first order, while making this fleet. With any of this coming back to the republic.
While being in the unknown regions....
Yeah nope. Just nope
Use this 1 weird trick to become a galactic power (Fans hate this!)
Yes because we don’t need a terrible story with no plot
Sidious used cheat codes . it's not a code the Jedi would teach you
Nitpicking Nerd very well then
Nitpicking Nerd ah yes he used
/give emperor_palpatine 10000 star destroyers
Surprising that the mods didn’t ban him for that tho
@@jjwang7597
It was an older code, but it checked out.
“So guys, I did some building off camera”
Here’s a fleet I prepared earlier
Kuat Drive Yards must have made a *fortune* off of this contract!
Luckily, I've Premade this fleet.
Get this man more likes
Was gonna ask the same thing, isn't the star forge a huge ship building factory.
The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some considered to be _bad writing._
But aren't the Jedi the evil ones? ... From a certain point of view
This is the best comment on this entire channel.
3 years later and this is still the best answer.
No
"You shall serve the Sith gloriously!"
"How so, my lord?"
*gets handed a shovel*
"Start digging. These star destroyers aren't going to bury themselves."
"Why--- why do we need to bury them?"
"So I can dramatically lift them out of the ice in a decade or two. Duh."
Boisegang
“Well it’s taken about 30 years but we finally buried all the star destroy-“
Star destroyers begin rising out of the ground
“... SON OF A”
Your comment needs to be part of a How It Should Have Ended!
@@tolcheen I wouldn't mind if someone animated it, TBH. It's just a funny little thought I had when Eck mentioned the Xystons may have been buried.
Here's how they did it
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@@Pacisback84 dude....... Why!?!?!? XD
Why are they coming out of the ground?
JJ. Abrams: What? Looks cool
Ya see, that's the same reason Luke was on that cliff. JJ thought it looked cool even though logically Luke would never abandon his friends. Only way it would make sense is if Luke did something so shameful that he couldn't trust himself to make the right call and felt the Galaxy would be better off without him... like considering killing your nephew.
@@Smellbringer but even if luke did try to kill his nephew, he whouldnt let him run around killing people, luke whould have tried to fix his mistakes instead of hiding in an island to die
Agreed. Legends Luke would try retcify the mistake than run away
@@Smellbringer originally, luke was supposed to be floating like rey in ros, but Johnson asked to change for last jedi
He's the same guy that had the Enterprise hiding in a sea... despite being a SPACE ship with teleporters!
Palpatine in episodes 1-3: a masterful, complex plan to take over the galaxy
Palpatine in episode 9: 10,000 star destroyers!!
He clearly has gone senile😂
Old age gets to people.
From 3d chess plays to the guy who spams the same unit in an rts game.
watch Generation Tech's video on why Palpatine wanted The Empire to fall, he spins in it way that's pretty satisfying. It doesn't fix the dumb end of that plan though, nothing can. But he manages to connect discreet threads from all the way back from the OT, that colors it in a way that makes sense.
Симеон Колев in 1-3 I’d at least give him credit for weaseling his way to chancellor and then quietly playing both sides of a war against one another in order to militarize the republic and gain emergency powers
It seems the Star Forge or something similar was being hinted in the concept art as being essential for the fleet buildup. It’s too bad, that would be a great addon. It explains so much: how the fleet was created, why there’s so many people just living on an ice rock on Exegol, why Palpatine even bothered going to Exegol in the first place (to find the “origin of darkness”, a Star Forge).
Even better, it being un-replicable Xenotech removes the possibility that any rando with a slave army could make a stupidly enormous fleet in a short period of time.
It would have at least given a reason for this fleet.
Exegol was no ice rock. The novelisation states that it was just one hot, flat, dusty ball of rock with lightning striking everywhere and not a ray of sunlight to be seen. The only defining feature on Exegol at all was the Citadel of the Sith Eternal.
if I remember the first rumors suggested the something like star forge
Would be a massive improvement for sure. But still then that would have been needed to be build up in the movie itself in a satisfying way. Or... even better that could have been a subplot for episodes seven and eight, just like Palestine returning at the end of episode eight would have been much better.
But that would have required a lot more planning before they started making these movies.
Shorter answer: From Creative mode
Star Wars Universe: The oldest anarchy server in Minecraft
Or.. just lazy and dont actually give a dang
Shortest answer: Creative
True honest answer: Lazy uncaring writing that ripped off Dark Empire but did it very very stupid.
YES
They could have done it better, and admitted that they copied that story and it could have been pretty cool
Which is quite the challenge considering how shitty Dark Empire was.
@@raymondcoventry1221 yea, I guess but it would still be better than what we got
@@raymondcoventry1221
One may argue Dark Empire was good it may have had some problems but atleast it was realistic and made it have sense while Rise of Skywalker they just uncaringly written them in saying "Fu*k it! It's too hard! I got a report due tomorrow, just take my crappy script maybe nobody in the audience will notice."
What I thought would happen from the trailers: They are Imperial I Class Star Destroyers, and part of the fleet are Onager Siege Breakers.
Same here
Yeah, honestly It makes so much more sense that they are just a huge collection of old SD's hidden after the fall of the DS2. Like really it makes sense and works with the story, idk why all these big movie makers decided that it was a great idea to just, have bigger star destroyers with planet killing weapons on each of them... so much tech that just wasn't used? Built and developed by resources NEVER established in ANY canon, legends, or even in the sequels. Its just disappointing
same
It's really not that deep. They just wrote them in. Blatant shoehorning
it would make much more sense if it was that way because there's not a lot of lore surrounding the onagers and it would explain why so many star destroyers disappeared
If he wanted a massive fleet like in the movie, he should've rediscovered the StarForge and used his dark side powers to create it IMHO.
That would be pretty dope, although it'd require a lot of setup, star forge was destroyed and would have to be rebuilt. If somehow he got a hold of rakatan records and recreated the star forge and could fuel the production, that would be very interesting indeed. But a bit too "out there" and complex for a mainstream movie, I imagine
yes the disney execs don't know what that is and if they did they wouldn't care, besides nobody has the force ability to control it
@@tarfeef101 Yeah. Let's say he discovers the Rakatan records on Rakata Prime and rebuilds the SF. I doubt he's simply enlarge the ISD-1 and put a giant laser on the bottom lol.
It might've worked if, instead of a map to Luke, it was a map to another Star Forge.
@@tarfeef101 Something like that needs at least a few movies worth of build-up. Honestly I'd dislike the movie even more if they just pulled the star forge out like it was nothing.
Besides I'm still holding out hope for a KOTOR Disney+ series. KOTOR wouldn't work well as a trilogy imo and would be better suited to a series as you could fill in a lot more story and plot and give all characters a proper arc.
Q: Where did Palpatine get the massive fleet in The Rise of Skywalker?
A: One mouse's quiet desperation to save face.
HAHA he wasted all that time to male that many ships to create a terrible plothole movie
J.J. Abrams got that scene of Palpy's massive fleet from the ground from EU Legends
@@TheWarmachine375 you got a reliable source for that buddy?
@@sammywhite5127 X-Wing Rogue Squadron book series that had a SSD rise from the surface of Coruscant reminicent of the scene from ROS.
Another question is where did he get the 27 million crew members and the food to feed them? Figuring 27,000 per ship. Absurd plots and scenarios are all the rage in movies these days. But why ruin Star Wars in almost every way? It is like a complete ruination.
I’m wondering how Palpatine got laid, not how he got his massive fleet.
It's apparently clones, he didn't actually have a kid. Which is unfortunate.
Attila The Hun in Legends he fucked an Umbaran so it's possible
His kid is a clone, which makes Rey (genetically) his daughter
He got laid because he has a "massive flag ship"
Because he is the senate, duh
Ship Designers: JJ we have many new star destroyer designs that could serve as kylo's flagship, and new ship of the fir-
JJ: or to make it cheaper, we should reused old footages and edit them, then put a big superlaser on a star destroyer then done.
Ship Designers: but but but.......
JJ: Get Out!
Well they ya have just ended up stealing fan art again
Jar-Jar Abrams is too lazy to be creative
It’s not reusing footage, just models, but yeah. Still a great film though, imo.
And lens flares!!!
"I view it. Great move JJ. Make it so."
Disney: it just happened
Starforge 🤷🏾♂️
Rise of Skywalker.
More like the Dark Empire copyrighted aborted reject.
"We kinda forgot how World building works"
I am sure there are a lot of people at Lucas Film/Disney that dislike this kind of things.
It just works! It just works! Little lies stunning shows; people buy money flows it just works!
I like how it took almost 20 years to complete one death star and it took massive outsourced slave labor from multiple planets while taking resources from many more planets.
It's more silly when you take them at their word that the fleet is composed entirely of one class of capital ship in the thousands without anyone in the shipbuilding or financial sector having an inkling of the undertaking. And they kidnapped First Order prodigies without suspicion?
All the xystons combined wouldn't amount anything close to the mass of the death star. And remember, all these ships were crewed. There were millions of people on Exegol who could work on building the ships.
@@davidkippy101 yeah, and 300,000,000 to crew all 10,000
(At least as far as another commenter calculated, I don't care enough to look it up.)
@@userequaltoNull is it confirmed there were that many ships?
By that logic there is literally no explaination for how the second death star was built in a few years with completely new resources. We are made to assume that the empire learned a lot from the first death star which allowed the fast and cheaper creation of the second one and also made it possible to eventually create smaller death star tech as seen in the last jedi and the rise of skywalker. Don't think too much about it because in a big galaxy there is always an unlogical logical answer.
The real mystery is not how Palpatine made a secret fleet of 10,000+ super ships, but rather why he parked them in the one place in the galaxy where they can all be destroyed in an afternoon.
Actually, the other question is, why bothering with a gigantic resources starving Death Star when he could just have 3000 lads in one of these and destroy planets undercover.
One of these destroyers were the peak of Star Wars power, now even 10K is easy to destroy 😂
"My Emperor; We have the infinite vastness of space to hide this titanic fleet in, where do you desire we put them?"
Palpatine: "Bury them on this one barren wasteland of a planet."
*sweating profusely*
*sweating intensifies*
"It will be done my Lord."
Sidious never learned from his mistake of putting all his eggs in one basket
@@NitpickingNerd At his age Alzheimers is virtually guaranteed.
I’m wanted for tax evasion and I’m now hiding from the authorities and later will die in a shootout with the irs
ok
thats very nice
Wait what!
That’s very unfortunate yoda
stop with the ketamine, you should
The single detail of the Xystons rising from the ground is a real thorn on speculation's side, all because JJ found it visually appealing.
My theory is that the hangars seen in the artbook are situated way underground and are actually where the fleet emerges from, and they break the ground level as they ascend.
Yeah, this is clearly what is happening. I don't know why people are so blind to it haha
2:56
You see, that ship in the background can fly up without a tower, why aren't the others trying to get into a battle formation while they have time?
That's when the command ship is acting as the tower. Notice how the Command Ship is staying still.
emp: lets build a huge fleet not in a orbiting shipyard but inside a middle of nowhere planet that none can even get to.
officer: but sir how are we going to feed the massive workforce this will need, we cant ship it in without giving away the position of your new secret base. and nothing can grow on that dustball
emp: Fuck it just let them eat rocks
You do an excellent job of explaining the just so silly sith fleet, thingy!
I hate the sequels. But I love Eckhartsladder!
Keep up the good work!
So you're telling me dozens of cargo ships requiring hundreds of crewmen, all of which had to be in on the project were diverted through an incredibly dangerous hyperspace lane that you can only find using a holocron over and over for decades without anyone noticing?
Yes, that's exactly what Disney wants to tell you.
I assume it came from the same place that pretorian guards knife went when he was fighting Rey. It’s a dimension with all kind of plot friendly items in it
so i...um ...good point, good point, but where did Rey's blaster go in episode VII?
@@lesliehawkins5778 that actually went the same place they kept center point station until they needed it for a book.
It’s also the dimension marvel characters like the builders and perpetua come from
"But JJ liked more the imagery of the Star Destroyers being buried"
How the fuck they let this guy directing the end of the greatest movie saga ever?!
We need a video on why.. no.. HOW did old Palpatine have a massive fleet of star destroyers built that were incapable of flying UP, straight up, without a nav beacon. Did their animation software crash when they attempted to move the massive cut and pasted fleet on the Y-axis? Did they write all the star destroyer pilots to be nothing but Karens who argued with the rest of the bridge crew when told to just fly straight up? Did someone leave the air brakes on? Did they forget to fill the star destroyer space-DEF tanks before taking off triggering limp/idle mode right after rising out of the ground? When they stopped, was that the moment when the non-local-metaparticle and an anti-backwards crystal were brought together rendering their fuel completely useless?
Well, they already had the cloning facility on Exegol, so they just built one Xyston-class, and then cloned it.
"We'll just use cloning."
"That's not how cloning works!"
Copy and Paste lol
I think it would be much better, if Exegol was a secret cloning center like Kamino; while Starkiller Base would be a shipyard, explaining where the First Order got it's fleet and army.
To be honest, that sounds almost dumb enough to work.
@@zachhecita There is Star Forge and it requires one Force user to make it work
Eck at it again with the good content
Friggin Ecks, what is he thinking?
Of course he has good content
Eck yeah!
He always does... even and possibly most impressively when he tries to make sense and a rationalization of the Disney era... dang if only he were involved... we might have enjoyed the Disney trash lol
I only saw the movie once, but in the theatre I got the impression that Palpatine was conjuring them into existence using Exegol and the dark side of the force.
Unnatural powers indeed :D
That would have at least been an *explanation.* JJ can't have that, though, the mystery is more important.
10.000 ships in 30 years? I'm no mathematician but that's s beyond ridiculous.
@@jasonmussett2129 Agreed, haha.
No lol
While the Xystons may not be Imperial 1 refits it is still possible that Palps sent out fleets of Imperial 1s into the unknown regions and had those ships cannibalized and broken down for materials with which to build his Xyston fleet. We already know he had seeded fleets of ships in the Unknown region along with The Eclipse so it’s likely the Sith Eternal broke down a lot of these ships for parts and then used schematics from Kuat to build them and subsequently burry them under Exegol to hide them from both the New Republic and First Order
Ricardo Valdes I don't believe the Eclipse is cannon. Is it?
@@eridor
Nope.
None of that is canon
FBI 1987 Yea I didn't think so
There is a canon Eclipse... it’s just an Executor class however. My main issue with the theory is that, well... it’s lazy in the worst way imaginable. The changes some numbers on the model’s scaling to call the bigger and more threatening, and then slapped a super laser weak point so the it’s ten thousand Death Stars to scale up the visible stakes of the movie while continuing to neglect the heart and soul of Star Wars... the themes of family and friendship, and the struggle to do what’s right in the face of what is easy or natural for the given circumstances.
Rey: How did you get all these ships?
The Senate: AH .... Hmmmmm... How did I get these ships?
The fandom: You got me, by all accounts it makes no sense.
The Senate: Anyways, Back to buisiness.
The same way he built a second Death Star?
Joe Kerr with an entire galaxies worth of resources, millions of slaves, years and years to build, plus they already had plans they just upscaled them.
@@MCJonCRLKLLR Its never a good idea to Just Upscale a ship and think it will work the same, Just Ask the Northumbria.
USS Prinz Eugen it wasn't a ship tho
Some one told JJ about the Lusankya and he was like 'Oooooh i like that but what if bigger'
'then a super star destroyer tearing through the surface of the galactic capital ?'
'yesss...MOAR! GIVE ME MOAR!'
The Plot Forge. An ancient director's artifact.
Everyone, together now!
"Rip-Off Star Forge!
Rip-Off Star Forge!"
Yup!
10,000 ships, 30,000 K per ship crew. 300,000,000 people atleast. Like I can understand the construction... but what the ever living fuck was going to be their explanation of that shit.
@@AF-sb3jk At least the Star Forge made, "theoretically", some sense. Couldn't they have just tied it in? I'm sick of Disney "inspiring" themselves on the EU stuff.
Remember when it took an entire galaxy's governmental funding to build and man a fleet? Good times. Good times.
@@thelaughingrouge Disney: Psh, get that realism outta 'ere! It's zombie fleets and McGuffins from here on out!
Ya know, I kinda thought of a way they could’ve done Luke’s character far better while also hinting at the return of Palpatine (or what I would’ve preferred far more, Abeloth) basically make it so when the First Order began to rise Luke could feel a massive disturbance in the force, at such an extent that he had never felt before, so he went to the island in search of knowledge but didn’t tell anyone so as not to cause unwarranted panic, he wanted to be sure before he told anyone, but when he arrives a storm knocks out the controls in his x-wing and causes it to crash, essentially stranding him and leaving him with no way to contact anyone, and while there he learns that something old and terrible is on the brink of returning but he can’t warn anyone to it’s coming, this could also be Kylo’s reason for turning as maybe he feels it too and believes that Luke has abandoned them as Luke had no way of telling anyone where he was, so he falls to the dark side to try and gain the power to oppose what is coming, and the whole time Luke is on the island waiting for someone to arrive, desperately hoping they will be on time for him to warn them of the coming calamity and for him to be able to train others to help him face it. It’s pretty rough and obviously would need more detail and probably a better explanation for why he didn’t tell anyone and why the map was in two parts but I would’ve liked something like that far more than what we got
nah, i'm just hoping they do not touch anything from the canon (aka EU) and stay away as far from any existing concept as they can. Just so they only destroy their own content as they create it and not do injustice to all the good writers and story of the expanded universe. I hope they never use any character from there again if they can even invent anything not retarded. At this point, i fear for anything created by them regardless of theme.
I like this it’s good much better then the movie way of showing it
My fan theory to make sense of Episode IX: the atmosphere of Exegol is hallucinogenic. There was only ever one Xyston-class destroyer, the one that went to Kijimi. Everything about the Emperor and his fleet and the Rebel fleet (and especially the horses) was just the main characters tripping.
Heya Eck, can we get some more Legends content. The Cannon trilogy is really depressing.
Sad but true
I'd like to talk about the sith imperial war during Cade Skywalker era 🤷🏿♂️
*Canon
Real talk
i think their both depressing, the only good thing disney can come up with is the mandalorian and clonewars episodes while legends can come up with thrawn trilogy and imperial remnant stories. Legends could've been great but then they came up with abeloth, yuuzhan vong, and a bunch of fuckin weird stuff. thats why i have my own canon made up of the good parts of disney canon and egends
The planet derrière in the J.J system.
He's not a system, he's a man. Scoundrel ... You wouldn't like him
@@danbrown5736 He's a man, not a system! Come on comrades!
So it was the Sith that built the fleet. Interesting, I didn't realise those who dabbled in the Darkside actually had the skill set of welders, pipefitters and Sparkys. More or less all the skills you need for building a fleet of ships.
Ah yes, the hidden sith knowledge of pipefitting
They started building these during the Empire’s Heyday and continued throughout the decades since then in secret. This was covered in one of the new canon’s Darth Vader’s runs. I don’t know when it was released and such as I only seen vids covering this on StarWars Comics a lot. I think they did this around the time this vid was released as I somewhat remember those vid were released around the same time.
What would have happened if the Resistance hijacked the Xyston that destroyed Kijimi and used it to destroy Exegol while the fleet was still buried? Would that have destroyed them all and killed Palpatine again? Would the person who fired the superlaser be possessed by Palpatine through his "strike me down" force BS? This seems like it would have been a very easy way to solve every Final Order problem at the same time.
I literally thought that was how the movie would be solved when I first saw it. I thought they were going to infiltrate the ship, take it over in a "epic battle", and then blow Exegol up. It would still be dumb, just not quite as stupid.
it just seems so redundant, the first order was ALREADY a secret organization from the unknown regions, now there's ANOTHER even MORE secret organization. is there something even more secret than the Sith Eternal?
In my rewrite of the sequel trilogy, I would have the Sith Eternal just be the religious sect within The First Order.
Palpatine probably have another secret planet with other clone bodies for him return again in episode x
Yes there always was a greater evil that is constantly fraught by the chiss syndicate. Think grand admiral thrawn but hes only one man of a elite force constantly fighting outside the edge of known space.
The book Thrawn explains it in the first few chapters
I totally misread the title, I thought it said “Rise of Skyladder” and I was like “I see what you did there 😎”
Then realized I was completely mistaken haha
Honestly I wish their answer was they were modified star destroyers that received a secret and mysterious transmission with coordinates and instructions in the voice of palpatine to go to exogal. it could have been a great addition to palpatine contingencies
Where did you come from, where did you meet, where did you come from Cotton-Eye Fleet?
I wonder which is more believable:
10,000 new, huge ships designed to look almost identical to decades old Star Destroyers that are made using materials & money without being noticed by the New Republic or The First Order
OR
Someone in The Empire developed a device that could change the size of an object and then Palpatine ordered 10,000 Star Destroyers to travel to an unknown location which were then made bigger using said device.
The ships were made bigger just so the new planet-killing lasers can actually fit on the ships which would take a lot of time & resources to develop & manufacture....but the ships would've already been taken care of.
"Palpatine, where did you get this fleet?"
"... It fell off a truck, you know, a truck truck"
So it's basically Bane's Rule of Two compacted into a generation.
We have the same process of Sith infiltrating halls of power, diverting the Republic's financial and industrial capacity to secret military projects, and attempts to wipe out the Jedi in one fell swoop.
We've seen all of this before, just done better.
I don't need 9 minutes to explain where he got it. It was from the same place the directors got their scripts. From their asses.
They reached down deep into their dark side to pull out a steaming hot pile of script.
In this video; One man tries his absolute hardest to rationalise something so completely illogical it's beyond rationalisation.
"Nobody knows how to find this place, but let's bury our ships just in case. Also, make sure they can't leave the atmosphere in an emergency."
"And be sure to not make
fighters or anything to defend those ships. That huge ass cannon and turrets should be enough to defend them. And make them all be controlled from just one of the ships. Also don't forget to send one of the ships alone ahead of every other ship to destroy this one random backwards planet to make a tramatic display of.... something".
There were so many stupid things in ep 9 that i walked out with half an hour to go,like how do you bury a hundred mile long star destroyers .
This throws up even more questions than answers. How can the "secretive" Final Order siphon off enough resources and man-power that not even the Empire had? Furthermore, if, production capabilites and interconnectivity existed within the Unknown Regions, one would assume that they would be more included into the wider galactic community. We've been told that the Unknown Regions is a mostly dispopulated area that has very few stable hyperlanes, so somebody would have had to notice the vast amounts of freighters, transports and material going into the unknown regions. Furthermore, where do all these people come from? Yes, some of them are "poached" from the First Order, which is still actually a fringe organization far smaller than the Empire ever was. Did the Emperor somehow transplant all these people from the Galactic Empire to the Unknown Regions? Neverminding the amount of people that would be needed to simply crew the fleet you need a huge logistical network to support such a fleet. Dozens of massive shipyards, mines on a planetary or system-wide scale and all the manufacturing processes inbetween. That would already be a huge amount of people. And even of we say that he's done this since the beginning of his ascension as a sith, and a very generous birthrate of 2 per person, it would still take a huge number of people. If we add all the other essential industries necessary, breaking it down into food, medicine, clothing, combat equipment, basic furniture, and more that you can think of, it seems very unlikely to me that Palpatine could have ever pulled off extracting that many resources without it being noticed, even as Emperor. The whole movie is just so frustratingly non-logical, even in-universe (ignoring the bits were it doesn't stay internally consistent. Frigging shields in atmosphere not working) it's stupid.
And if anybody will argue that the Sith Eternal or whatever they are called have been there since even before Palpatine, what were they doing out there? Just biding their time, being peaceful Dark Side monks? Because they seemed to have alot of galsctic events pass them by, especially the annihilation of the Jedi. Would've been a perfect opportunity to announce themselves then. But then who was their leader? Somebody like Naga Sadow after fleeing from the Jedi?
Look, if you're gonna approach it sensibly...
...then Disney has no place for you on their creative team.
Exegol's atmosphere must have been hallucinogenic. If everything that happened there was just a hallucination by the main characters, the movie makes so much more sense.
Oh that intro music never gets old.
He stole it from HOME
Maybe the Senate started a fundraising campaign
"I am once again asking you for your support."
Palpatine, kidnaps 3 million children
the republic : nothing to weird here
*NOTHING WILL STOP
THE RETURN OF THE SITH!*
*DUBSTEP*
I guess Palpatine hired Euron Greyjoy's lumberjacks. They were able to build 1000 ships in 3 weeks on a tree-less island
Even though they're definitely not Imperial-class Destroyers I like to pretend that they're the ones that "disappeared" at the end of the war. They came to Exegol and were refit/upgraded by the Sith cult.
My head canon is that the Xyston class SD were left over ISD 1s that Palpatine sent to Exogol where the Sith Cultist modified them with the super laser. This would be an easy retcon too
I mean regardless of if there's an answer, we all know its just a post hoc justification for something that JJ prolly just though looked cool
And this, right here, is the problem. Creating movies and stories not on what would make at least some sense, but on what looks cool.
Shipbuilder: This is going to take a lot of power to build the fleet. How much do we have?
Sidious: Unlimited.
The shipyards were probably on Exegol, and the exits were just covered over by weather over time or outright camouflaged.
One thing I think we should think about. Is how did Palpatine manage to acquire the amount of manpower necessary to crew all of the Xyston class star destroyers. Due to each Xyston having a crew of 29,000, so if Palpatine had 10,000 ships that would mean he would have to get around 290,000 crew for all the star destroyers. Just a quick thought.
Actually man, it’s 290,000,000 crew 😂
RE: the title of this video...
"You don't actually think they spend 20,000 on a hammer, 30,000 on a toilet seat, do ya?"
I understand that reference lol 😂
I understood that reference.
@@Parocha sounds familiar but can't place the reference
SFisher1993 - "Two words, Plausible deniability".
kristian dahl Independence Day (1996).
My interpretation was always that it was similar to the Mt. Tantis operation, using cloning to supply the talent and manpower the Sith Eternal needed to build this fleet. I can see a massive planetside drydock facility churning these out steadily for years, 10000 is a lot but if you can actually dedicate a planetary population and all the planet's resources to the project I think you can get pretty far. You still need the First Order and the preceding Imperial Remnant in the Unknown Regions to provide certain resources, cloning templates, and research in particular, but with all the knowledge of the Empire at their disposal I think they could've pulled it off in secrecy even from the first order on a handful of planets if not just on Exegol
From the Disney Plot department
😂🤣😆
Rise of Skywalker is a carefully crafted treatise on how to make a movie where the audience does not care about the characters or even what is happening next in the plot. It will be studied in film schools for decades as an example of what not to do.
I still don't understand why they needed another fleet when the First Order had already conquered the galaxy.
It hadn't.
"It actually boggles the mind could be created out of basically thin air."
Acclamators, Venators and two Death Stars sweating profoundly.
Everytime we revisit the Sequel trilogy, it just makes me sad for what could have been. Everything is so basic and rushed.
Another banger from Eck
#askeck Why did it feel like the death of the World Brain of Coruscant (formerly Yuuzhan'tar) in Legacy of the Force didn't really do much to affect Coruscant? Shouldn't the death of the entity coordinating the climate and nature of the planet for the last 12 or so years have caused huge disruption?
Great video. No real problem with size of the fleet. In my mind one system should have plenty of resources to build that many ships. I mean the size of the Death Star wasn't a problem, it was working out the issues with the superlaser. I think it's not a good comparison to the Legends 25,000+ Imperial-class either, because I think there would be other Star Destroyer classes, plus smaller and larger ships. In the end that's how you get millions of warships for the orginal Empire. Only bad part IMO was the dumb no shields in atmosphere, they are all in one place, and the Resistance plot armor single navigational beacon thing.
I imagine a IX episode better than TROS. I think Snoke was a fail clone of Palpatine who wants to keep the heritage of the sith turning Ben Solo in the dark side. Snoke willingly let die by Kylo Ren. I create also a sith clone of Anakin with Palpatine DNA. A episode IX in which Rey and Ben Solo after his redemption fight this sith clone of Anakin Skywalker would be so great. At the end, Ben and Rey decide to not create a new jedi order but to share the force bending for everyone.
I think you did a really good job at trying to make sense of a moment in episode 9 that was probably more for looks than to make sense
Sad moment when I’ve seen the last episode of the clone wars 20 times and can’t survive watching the episode 9 without falling asleep 😴
Perhaps Exegol has massive underground caverns and the ships were built there. It's a good place to hide a project that big, and it explains why they were buried
The fact this comment section is not a row of "from his axx" shows how mature is eck's audience.
from his axx
TBF its totally out of his ass and believing the writers did it because it made sense is just ignorance
#AskEck
Can you do a video about the Chimera from Resistance vs the Locast from Gears of War?
Which two factions is more deadlier and has more powerful legions?
you can say the same about the clones, they came out thinn air(not really but few knew about it) these ships could have been planned for the von invasion way back by Palpatine
except we know how clones are made and where.
Also, why wouldn't Palpatine have used these to crush the Rebels then? Imagine the rebel fleet trying to fight an armada of death star destroyers.
@Expired Milk Don't listen to the mouse. The mouse doesn't know what he's talking about.
The ideea of Star Destroyers going through the ice through osmosis kracked me up. Makes me remember the days I was studying for medicine school.
Did Miss EckhartsLadder had an input on this joke?
“Why are they bursting out of the ground? We have hangar doors”
“It looks more menacing, and I like that”
How did the Empire build, (& man), ten thousand ships? I'm still wondering how the resistance came up with even more, but not a one comes to aid Leia in Ep. 8?
"Plot Convince, Mr. Frodo. Plot Convince."
Plot convince? Doesn't make sense. Maybe plot convenience or plot contrivance.
I think it would be much better, if Exegol was a secret cloning center like Kamino; while Starkiller Base was a shipyard, explaining where the First Order got it's fleet and army.
I love how Eck is doing a better job at rationalizing that trash than Disney.
I have put a little thought into this. I think a false ground layer was established around the destroyers. Similar to the ground in Rebels episode 21-22 with the Sith temple on Malachor. Would explain the rising out of the ground. Would allow you to service and load crew and munitions on such a fleet well waiting for the right time to strike.
Sidius has discoverd the art of cloning star destroyers
Its called: The Plotsmith
I would say the pulled the Executor trick: Every shipyard was building the same ship(s). Legends had it that the imperial senate approved only the Executor to be built, so Palpentine had 4 shipyards each build the Executor.
This video made me finally realize that the sequel trilogy is worse than the crappy parts of EU. What a shame.
JJ. A:Where did you the Screen writer:Because.
JJ. A:That works.
7-9 aren't canon
+1
I disregard anything Disney, canon means not Disney.
Ok, I would accept that the Xystons were built underground - just like the Yamato. But to imagine digging a hole in the ice a 1km long and 500 wide - not to mention the depth - is insane. And I am not even considerating the energy required, but just the time to buylid those ships, dig the hole and cover them back.
Easy answer to the video’s question
Palpy got the fleet from Disney
I know where. Straight from J.J. Abram's Death Star Exhaust
He got it from Jar Jar Abraham's lack of creativity