aye, true. Then we'd probably be playing PS2 games in 4k 120fps on PS5 if they were given Sony resources. My guess is that it's cheaper to take employees already on the payroll and assign them to the project than to hire an outside crew. But this would be the dream.
@@bronzin1445 Nintendo's emulation efforts (developed by NERD) for Switch online were at least better than what Sony's been doing lately. If we ignore their N64 emulator, that one has issues too...
All they need to do is contract the emulator devs for the PC emulators and we'll have a better product, but Sony is still too Japanese to understand this.
@@Malinkadink I mean. they used an open source fan emulator for the PSX classic, it just didn't run on their hardware very well. Sony has not been good at emulation since the PS3.
people think just cause they spent money they have to have everything, when in reality sony doesn't need to do this but rather are making an attempt at least. If you are desperately wanting to play ps3 or ps2 all it takes is ebay and some cash.
@@pixeljauntvr7774Those Xbox fanboys looooove getting a hard on with the fact that they can use side loaded emulators. And they tote it like an actual feature the Xbox is sold with lol. I have an Xbox myself and side loading through dev mode is most definitely not a retail feature. Besides Microsoft themselves aren't the ones behind the emulators. The praise is mis placed on Microsoft instead of the emulator creators.
Sly 1 on PS3 had some issues. Controls felt a tad off to me and the music was all remixed and largely inferior IMO. The framerate also dipped a lot but that's an issue on a real PS2 as well.
The fact we have DuckStation that fixes wobble and warps, PCSX2 which is still the only way to get crystal clear PS2 rendering, and PPSSPP which works on refrigerators at like x8 resolution Is kinda insane when we have PS5 power levels of console oh and yeah RPCS3 is getting so good you can pretty much play most important exclusives/console exclusivers on it at 60/120 fps x2/x4 resolution, the only thing sony can do with PS3 emulation is to make it fully BC with physical disc support
PCSX2 has issues too on several games. Many are missing shadows, for example: Haunting grounds, soul calibur 3 etc. The ps2 is probably one of the hardest consoles to emulate properly IMO.
@@laughingseal2282 I think Haunting Ground shadow issues were fixed, at least in Vulkan and OpenGL mode. When you have an issue, I recommend you to check the PCSX2 wiki.
Sony is just half assing most of this backwards compatibility or “classics”. The PS1 classics showed great promise but they’ve been drip feeding games and just not releasing the bigger games. We got lucky to get some games like Legend of Dragoon and such. The PS2 emulator is still shit compared to what Microsoft was able to do for OG Xbox games on the Series X. Again it’s Sony half assing it. I’m not holding my breath for PS3 backwards compatibility to be great either. They’re going to half ass that one and just say “they play like they do on PS3”. So no higher resolution or boosted performance and all the screen tearing. I hope I’m wrong but god they like proving I’m right.
Seems to be regular occurence with them? Seems they are done that with the later half of the Vita's life and now we seeing similar with PSVR2, they didn't bother to make a good Adapter for PSVR2 on PC!
@TheSubZero187 They offer trophy support, save states, rewind, and controller configurations per game. Calling it half-assed isn't fair, Microsoft doesn't offer any of that.
@@MiguelRodriguez-lp9et that’s why I said PS1 is great at first but not all games have trophy support and again drip feeding. Resident Evil Directors Cut doesn’t have trophies. Half assing where it’s great if they keep going and improve upon it and give us more games. PS2 will be no different but also already off to bad start compared to OG Xbox emulation by Microsoft.
@@TheSubZero187 They JUST updated some games that lacked trophy support. The games are fairly priced at 10/5 dollars, in my opinion the extra features make it worth it. At least the performance on the new PS2 emulator has been perfect, I'm surprised they didn't talk about that, only pointing out the performance issues with some PSP games.
What's even the point of an official ps2 emulator on ps5 if you can't play from original ps2 discs? And let's not talk about pressure sensitive buttons. And, most importantly, WHY TOMB RAIDER LEGEND? Not only it has a superior 360 port, IT HAS A PC PORT DRM FREE ON GOG.
By that logic, what was the point of any platform ever emulating the PSP if we can't play from the original PSP UMDs? And people use PCSX2 and RCPS3 with modern controllers without a second thought, even for games that did utilise the pressure sensitive buttons. "B-but..." Look, it's okay, you can drop the whole 'I already own a copy (ISO) of this game!' facade now. We won't judge you.
@@strykah92 No, the logic still stand. Why would I want to emulate (poorly) a limited game library when I can alredy do it MILES BETTER on PC? Where not only the original pressure sensitive PS2 and PS3 controllers still works, but where there are even third party options (retro fighters sells a modern controller with both sixaxis and pressure sensitive buttons) that supports that feature, that was pretty important in major games like Metal Gear Solid and Gran Turismo. The only advantage to an official emulator on SONY's hardware would be to be able to directly use your own PS2 library and, maybe, fully emulate it with official hardware support. Instead we get a very limited and poorly executed experience on a minimal number of games. One of wich is NATIVELY AVAILABLE ON PC. I don't need to hide it: Ripping an ISO from the internet and play it on PCSX2 is still the best way to enjoy PS2 games today. Instead with a microsoft console you can pop in your game disc and play it. I have several 360 and OG xbox games that I play on microsoft consoles. GG WP on accomplishing the mission of looking like a nincompoop fanboy.
It's about making old games seem inaccessible and outdated... They did same with dumping PS2 back compatability on PS3... You need to go proper retro or move onto new gen - Sony doesn't care.
As far as I'm wear due to the open source license used by PCSX2, code from it cannot be used commercially, which would rule out many of the current PCSX2 developers. That being said, I've heard that some ex-pcsx2 developers worked on the more recent emulation projects.
You're better off getting an actual PS3, hacking it and using an upscaler like an MClassic for a better experience at this point, Sony will unfortunately never put in the kind of effort we want
FYI ps2 has a ton of proprietary hardware that does a lot of processing and post processing making emulation really hard. PC emulator on ps2 is still very iffy as well even after like, 15 years+. On the ps3 slim/super slim for instance it ran ok and playable but it had a crapload of input delay. Some games get notoriously harder because of that.
This is sad. I'm steadfastly losing faith in PlayStation's ability and respect for game preservation. If the PS5 had the ability to emulate PS3 exclusives from discs, like it does with PS4 titles, I would buy one just for that feature. I'll just stick to using PCSX2 and RPCS3. EDIT: Adjusted wording to emulate. I was using the term "native" as capable, straight out of the box.
@sphericalred You didn't read the comment fully he said, "native ability to play ps3" the only way to play a ps3 game natively is by a ps3 or something with the ps3's chip set. Emulation is not native. I never said the ps5 couldn't run a ps3 game if it had a good ps3 emulator like RPCS3 it could.
How can Sony's engineers, with access to documentation and microcode and all STILL do a worse job than a handful of nerds with nothing but talent and determination on their side? Lol
Tomb Raider Legend is not correctly emulated on the PS4/PS5. Because, the shadow's are missing. Which are actually present in the original PS2 release.
A lot of post process on ps2 was done by extra hardware parts. I tried the pc emulator and soul calibur 3 shadows also were missing. It's a difficult console to emulate.
Wait, the PS5 version of Sly is seriously limited to 4:3 aspect ratio? The PS3 remaster supported, and you can patch the ISO with widescreen hacks to run on a real PS2. Real shame.
Yeah… i bought it immediately when it came out because i thought it was the ps3 remaster that i played on ps now. But no… the blurry old ps2 version .. which is fine but damn they could have given it a little love :/
@@kriskater No offense but this sounds a bit like lack of research. Why would you think it's the PS3 remaster? There are no PS3 remasters on PS5, it's simply not a thing. Every PS2 game that was released on PS4 and PS5 since 2015 is just straight up emulation of the PS2 games. PS Now had actual PS3 games because they were cloud steamed from real PS3 hardware, you weren't playing it natively.
@@symphony137 i was just excited okay! Lol but yeah you’re right. I just expected it to be nicer and smoother looking. It doesnt even have widescreen ffs. I ALWAYS research games before i buy, heavily. But Sly Cooper (ps5 app) was a no brainer. But ive learned once again that research must ALWAYS be done. No exceptions 👍🏽
@@symphony137there's nothing wrong with him expecting a new re release of a game he likes to be at least as good as the re release released ten years ago. Its honestly insane that the only currently purchasable version of a game is worse than a version available so long ago.
It's the original PS2 version which didn't support widescreen. In fact most games didn't support native widescreen, opting to used the vert- method which zooms into a 4:3 image to fill in the sides, but crops out the top and bottom.
Yup, I can see that on SSX3 , Ninja Gaiden 1-2 on XSX and others like Jade Empire, etc and that's not counting Emulation on Xbox with it's amazing PS2, PS1, etc emulation.
@@MarbleThumbs i'm not saying sony did a good job here. i'm just saying just setting the resolution higher the simple way is a bad idea. sony did it the right way, on ps4. their high res technique avoids all of those problems (but only renders in multiples). not sure what's going on with some of the games on ps5 now.
The TH-camr Mystic did a good dive. This new emulator needs to run on the PS4 as well. The PS4 starts that games with the enhancements turned off. I think there’s an issues running on the PS4 and they’re trying to make it compatible with both generations.
Them talking about how weird it is that Sony decided to put the PS2 version of Tomb Raider Legends/PSP version of Tekken 6 is a good reminder that Sony thought it made sense to put not only the PS2 version of Psychonauts on PS4 but also the PS2 version of MAX PAYNE. The port of Max Payne that doesn't have rendered bullets in bullet-time. If those selections aren't an example of people being asleep at the wheel somewhere at Sony, I don't know what is.
Wow dude i didn't know there were extra versions of those games that they could put on PSN instead!!! Lol except they are the only versions available so of course they released those versions duh you must be asleep at the wheel. Do you expect them to put the PC versions on PS5 lol? It's called PlayStation backwards compatibility, not PC compatibility. Tekken 6 has a PS3 version but no PS3 emulation exists on PS5 so PSP was the only option. If you want the PC versions of the other games, play them there, they are always the best versions. Complaining about the PS versions makes no sense, if you have a PS, you'll play the PS versions, that's how consoles work. Do you not understand how consoles work?
@@nickblomgren Sony doesn't own those games so they can't port the PC versions of those games, this is BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY, not new ports. It means compatibility with previous PlayStation versions of those games, that's the point, why would you expect something else lol? Learn what it means instead of being a kid who can't even Google. Quality of their implementation deserves criticism but what you are saying is nonsense.
@@berkaydemirci "Sony doesn't own those games so they can't port the PC versions of those games" Jesus kid. Sony owns the Playstation 2 version of Max Payne, as much as it owns the original PC version of Max Payne. They don't. You're also consistently getting "backwards compatibility" and "emulation" mixed-up. Which is kinda funny. They are not the same thing. Backwards compatibility is the function of a device playing software from a previous version of said hardware. You can _achieve_ this via _emulation_ or dedicated hardware. In context to games media: It is almost always correlated to physical media, or previously purchased digital content. The point is that if you've previously purchased it, that specific device/and or software should be compatible with the new hardware. For example: The Xbox is backwards compatible. While the game still needs to be downloaded, you can put in your original disk into the new hardware and (eventually) play your game. There's extra-steps involved, but at the end of the day this is an example of previously purchased "thing" running on the new "thing". Backwards compatibility through software emulation. These, by contrast, are pre-packaged emulators and games being sold piecemeal. They are as much being "backwards compatible" than you trying to fit an N64 cart into a Switch. You wouldn't call a Wii "backwards compatible with an NES". It's the reason why none of these are marketed as backwards compatible options. Thus they are sold as what they are: _New digital versions of said games._ They package the image files with their emulator because it's the _cheapest_ way to go about re-releasing these games. That's it. Back to the "Sony owns other peoples 3rd party releases", or whatever that was. If they wanted too, they could get in-touch with Remedy or Double-Fine and talk about an actual re-release. But that costs money. And it also assumes the people that own the original games would want to follow through with that. That's when it starts to get into port territory. So they come to the developer with this option, ask for a fee and then pop this out. Nobody has their hands tied to put the PC version of Psychonauts on a PS5. But it's way easier and cheaper to toss this out the door and be done with it. For certain games that were not released on other platforms this makes sense. For the games I cited: It does not, and it actually makes less sense to do so because of all the reasons previously listed. It's lazy. And apply the per-mentioned initiative, with I assume is an underfunded budget, and you get moments where you have to ask yourself: Who is planning the releases here? Do they not know that every-other device under the sun has -insert this version- of said game, which is far superior than what they are offering? They are not constrained by having to only release that version, why choose to do this with this game? Who is running this thing? Is their some-sort of metaphorical wheel they are asleep in-front of?
Yeah I play ps2 games on my phone and can play the whole ps2 library and can go up to 4k and 60fps over sony small selection of games at sd resolution and 30fps lol
We just need options. I would personally put them at raw native res if I could, for example. Particularly with PS1, where I have to use one of the shabby CRT filters to get it looking anywhere close to original.
Sony did a good PS1 emulator for the PS3 and PSP but then proceeded to never do it again. PS2, PS3, never well emulated. Even the PS Classic came out pretty bad.
PS3 actually had a hardware PS2 compatibly at first then software PS2 emulation that they never advertised. It only came to light when people started to hack it for pirated games and emulators.
@@ibrohiem Launch units actually had this enabled, the problem is that it came out with a lot of bugs on the software side. So they disabled it on later units and I think later models like the Slim and Super Slim just don't have the hardware. But of course the software emulation stayed throughtout, and you can even buy those games today.
It's ironic how inside developers don't understand how their old school consoles worked and should look but instead emulators do better job of conveying original hardware.
It's probably because the people making these emulators in their free time care about making them as good as possible, while Sony just wants something good enough to sell to people
@@Cleoli2 that's the answer. Someone doing it for a hobby is working with passion and love for the games, while Sony is thinking in terms of ROI and that emulation isn't going to sell as much as first-party games or their latest hardware. That's not to say that the Sony employees don't also have passion and love for the very same games, but when you're billing hours, given a directive and a specific timeline, you do as much as you're paid to do. Which apparently is just, "Make these old games work on PS5."
@@Espadasilenciosa Yeah. As I said, it says so in the manual. Lots of stuff ran at odd resolutions/aspect ratios back in the day and were stretched/compressed to a proper 4:3.
Honestly Sony should've just set the PS2 emulator to run on CPU mode, and spend the rest of budget on nearest neighbor scaling and good CRT filter. That would've saved all the headache with per game custom configs and game compatibilities. Games would run at 448p/576p only but at least they WORK and scaled properly.
I would actually say PS3 games should be easier to present properly on a PS5. The only hurdle is that you need much more raw power to emulate it in the first place. But the games already used HD resolutions of 720p and 1080p and that scales much better, so there's less to fuck up. That of course doesn't mean there there can't be other issues, like sound glitches etc.
When Sony made the PS3 backwards compatible with PS2 and PS1 games, everyone said.... nah. Love me some 360 red rings. And when Microsoft made 360 games run beautifully on the Series X, people said... nah... I want to buy TLOU remastered-twice on the PS5.
To be fair there are people like me who jumped from PS2 to PS5 and loved playing TLOU1 and 2 for the first time on PS5 as remasters. However I admit that is not the most common situation. Series X back compat is much better than PS this gen. I wish I could pop my old PS2 discs in to my PS5 like I can with 360 games in the XSX. I'd even mod, jailbreak, or otherwise void my PS5 warranty for it.
wish they took a page from xbox and let us put a disc in as proof of purchase ( i know its not actually reading from the disc on xbox but still its a nice feature for collectors)
What pisses me off is that 6th gen consoles require cosiderable uprgrade in resolution to stay faithfull when played on modern display - what i mean by that is that their resolution was high enough so that there was no "low res" when playing on crt tv (unlike much more jagged psx). So when i think of Gran Turismo 3 i think of sharp image and stellar 60fps, and not some blurr. Outputing slightly upscaled ps2 games on large modern tv is not doing it justice, becasue if these screens were the majority back then, all of 6th gen consoles would be built to accomodate for it. So upscaling it to even native screen resolution is the way to do it justice becasue that is way closer to how these games felt when played on a screen meant for them. Also you can buy a handheld for like 250 dollars, that will handle most ps2 games on 2x native res, with smaller screen where even native res will look great. How on earth sony who have all the specs for ps2, can't program actually decent emulator? My honest opinion is that all these older consoles should have all their specs released, there should be official tools to recompile the code of every game, so that fans can make better emulators, and custom ports that would use much less resourcess. Or at least they could make an emulator that would compete with what we have on pc and handhelds.
Yeah I gave up waiting on Sony to make a good emulator. I got into PCSX2 Nightly when I built my new 14900k and 4090 desktop and oh my God it is like I am able to remaster every game. Playing at 8x scale 60 fps with a widescreen cheat is stupid good.
I don't like how oldschool games on 8x and more fps. It kinda ruins ascetic of the original and makes it look old or cheap. But each on their own. Everyone likes different things.
@@TheDarkguide To be fair, you can just not scale the game of choice to 4k/2k/1080p. You can keep it the way you want and still enhance some aspects. 😊
Saw this coming ever since Shawn Laden left Playstation. Tim Ryan running it into the ground. Swapped to PC in 2019 and never touched a sony console again. Have an Xbox Series X as my retro console for PS2 and PS3 era games tbh cos all the Splinter Cells, MGS games and classic Tomb Raider etc. all run perfect on it and look great. I expect Xbox to be ran into the ground now with Sarah Bond now though since Phil Spencer's replacement seems closer to a Tim Ryan than a Shawn Laden.
It's weird, I don't think the PS4 version of parappa 2 suffered from these issues. I did notice a few visual glitches in one part but besides that it seemed fine
7:45 heck even if you hook one of those $5 cheap HDMI 2 PS2 adapters up to an original PS2 (using the ypbpr setting and not RGB, the image is still miles better than what you're seeing on the emulator on the PS5). This is close to what you see if you use a PS2 using the RGB setting and hook up by composite into a TV
Sony used to have good emulation up until the PS3 life cycle. PS2 had full PS1 chipsets until the slim models after 7000x replaced it with emulation. Said emulation was rocky, but got more compatibility by the time the last PS2 model released and the PS3 was rearing its 600 dollar head. The PS3 was more capable of emulation so it used PS1 emulation, but put the full PS2 chip on board. They later removed it to cut costs, naturally. This was pretty justified, but the models of ps3 that emulated ps1 and ps2 had the SOFTWARE removed entirely! This meant that past a firmware update, you couldn’t play the games you owned because Sony removed the software emulator from your console! Sony made this change around the same time they introduced slim model PS3s and around the same time they started working on PS2 classics in the store. This meant you couldn’t play your PS2 games but instead had to rebuy *a couple* of them on the digital store to play them with arguably worse emulation. The PS4 has support for CDs, DVDs, and Blu-Ray, but Sony took away the software to read CDs in order to introduce streaming with Spotify on their consoles. The PS4 was also planned to release with or have software emulation for ps1 and ps2 native to the console, but of course they took it away when selling classics on the store became profitable. Whenever you see Sony selling any of this stuff, remember that it’s all based on BS that is being drip fed to us because they’re too scared to do anything that could appease actual PlayStation fans over investors because it has a slight risk of losing profit.
@@MichaelM28 I’m talking about rumors, as I’ve now read, but this doesn’t mean Sony is just a-ok nor does it mean anything else I said is wrong. Soon after Sony removed any traces of backwards compatibility from PS3 models starting with the 400 dollar 40gb model onwards, they introduced PSN games that are PlayStation 2. So that people would get their games instead of buying used from GameStop for example, they didn’t allow for any discs to play ps2 games. This means that the emulation for ps2 games was now on Sony’s end and not on the players end. Custom firmware gives you the software to run ps2 games like the emulator already does, but it shouldn’t have to be an option. Truth is, the ps2 compatibility would actually be very beneficial to the console if Sony had just stuck through with making it a console feature that supported discs, too. Instead, they locked away every piece of it.
They never removed the software emulator on PS3. The only thing they did is they locked the PS2 emulator in later models, so it wasn't accessible officially. With a hacked consoles you can still use it. And PS1 emulation was never removed, you can play PS1 discs on every single PS3 model...
@@TheOnlyPedroGameplays”the models of ps3 that emulated ps1 and ps2 had the SOFTWARE removed entirely!” Even if you meant something else by that statement, it does insinuate that PS1 emulation was removed, which is false. Also the software PS2 emulation never allowed non-PS2 hardware PS3 models to play PS2 discs at any point. PS2 classics on the PSN were first released late 2010ish but the situation in which PS3 models could or could not play PS2 discs never changed. Respectfully, you might have some Mandela effect going on. On a side note, I do have a jailbroken PS3, and while yes you can rip PS2 discs to the system and use the software emulation to play them, the vast majority of games have varying degrees of visual and performance issues. It’s debatable whether PS2 games via software emulation ever should’ve been made commercially available.
I wish Sony would build more PS3 hardware. It would be super cool if they made a PS5 that also included PS3 hardware in it. I'd pay up to $800 for something like that.
I hope they update the emulator to allow for boosting the resolution, converting the resolution to progressive scan, & maybe opening up the sides for widescreen for games that dont have that natively. Playing these games at 480i is cancer.
Maybe its the added trophy support and the rewind features that make it more demanding. On ps4 these features are disabled by default, and turning it on drops performance.
I imagine that Sony is just assigning these port duties to random employees on their payroll, and either these employees don’t care about the end result, or maybe they do care but aren’t given proper time and support from Sony to make good-quality emulation. And I’m sure Sony doesn’t want to invest much money into anything that isn’t the over-the-shoulder 3rd person cinematic walking simulator
Xbox has had better emulation with their old consoles then PS I believe. I would pay more for a console to emulate the previous consoles and have like 90% library even to emulate at original resolution
I don’t get why Sony can’t do like Microsoft does with original Xbox games on series X/S. Those are super clean & clear & sharp but when Sony does it for ps2 games it’s all super blurry looking. What is the deal with Sony & emulating their old games??
This is pretty close to what PS2 emulation looks like on my Opti system with a 1GB HD 8570. 720P render res to 1080p with 2X AA (and 16:9/wide screen patches)
5:05 I've never been a Nintendo guy but I got a Wii for free and the biggest problem I have looks-wise is that it sits in purgatory between 4:3 and 16:9. The console can't produce widescreen so it squeezes top and bottom and let's whatever TV you have force a zoomed perspective instead. That's what I believe happens anyway, because no buttons or circular items look circular at all on a widescreen TV. It's all olive-shaped, including the letters in written text. That's a common problem even today with subtitles created for 4:3 and then applied to a widescreen release which makes the letters go w i d e. You may not think of it, but if you force such a DVD into 4:3, the letters look nice and normal. It's a shame that this purgatory persists with PS2/other emulation in modern days.
I suspect that Sony is doing a 1.2 upscale for some reason and that's why it looks slightly higher res. I don't understand why Sony doesn't give us a choice to choose our custom resolutions when Sony obviously has no problem with upscaling since they were upscaling to 1080p on PS4, also PCSX2 gives you a convenient drop down menu for different resolutions + integer scaling so that's one of the dozen of reasons why stick with community emulators
I platinumed Ghosthunter and clone wars over the weekend and both look incredible on ps5. There is no aliasing or flickering, it’s such a nice clean image Yes the resolution could be higher, but it’s still looks like 900-1080p to me
I'm surprised that you guys didn't mention how dark Tomb Raider Legends is. Even when you turn the in game brightness all the way up, it's still hard to see. It's been a long time, but I don't remember the PS2 version looking that dark (although i'm far more used to the GameCube version). Why didn't they just use the PS3 version? People would have complained that it wasn't the full trilogy, but at least it would have run better.
That has always been the move 💯 people that are waiting to play ps2 games on ps5 is wasting their time. Wish Sony would just focus on modern stuff and stop go backwards..
@@WhirlPoolMedia just get an Xbox, play all that's recent, enjoy gamepass and emulate all of the ps2 games for a one time purchase of 15 euros. I have a 2tb harddisk filled with ps1, ps2, n64, gamecube, wii,.. games. Some people are really allergic to owning an xbox
I hate the analogs limited directional input that I’ve noticed in sly cooper. Jak and daxters is worst (8 way directional input) rather than the original smooth 360 direction
It’s such a shame that it is still really difficult to access and play these old titles. There’s a huge market of consumers who were teenagers during PS2, PS3, PSP, etc. who want to play these games again but have to jump through hoops to do so. You’d think Sony would realise this and have better backwards compatibility support. Surely we are at the point where we can have a PS2 and a PS3 shrunk down to a SoC.
It's a huge bummer that the retro community is now coming out with amazing recompilations of older titles and yet none of these companies seem to want to do this for their older game re-releases. It would allow them to give each game major upgrades without messing with the game code and ruining the experience. I know it may be some work for each title, but you'll have a version of each game that'll be in far better shape for future consoles moving forward. Also, I love Rich's Bespoke shirt.
Outside emulation is true innovation that the actual development team behind the hardware could not bring us any faster! For decades emulation has challenged the standards and introduced better options for playing our favorite titles in their absolute best.
Even if they could up the resolution 2 to 4 times of the original game, it's still going to look weird and out of place, and all UI and text is still going to be hella ugly if not unreadable. Only thing I feel really fixes both things at once is a really good CRT filter, and there are some really good ones out there, but they're not as common as they should.
One of the many reasons why I stick to original hardware. PS2 (or any older console) with the RT4K looks absolutely beautiful, especially when you set up nice looking CRT effects.
@@mattmccaughen7371 the last 10 years say otherwise, there's alot more to gaming then old games and gamepass, yea I can't wait to play helldivers 2, rise of the ronin, and black myth wuking, oh wait I can't play it...
Well yeah and not only for og xbox/360 games, even xbox one/one x games are amazing on series consoles. The backward compatibility is really amazing on xbox compared to ps5
Actually this is the same interface used for ps1 games, and the filters work great with ps1, tried Grandia, Legend of Dragoon, Arc of the Lad and Wild Arms 2.
@@k1z4cz3k pal displays had higher vertical resolution and with the PS2, there were 60hz options for most games. This was due to the difference between AC & DC power
If you use Open Source GPL licensed code depending you have to release your code based on it. If Sony did this then all would have access to PS5 code which could be a risk for Sony So Sony, if respecting the PCSX2 license cannot use PCSX2 code as a basis for their emulator and with the need for signed programs on console the two cannot co-exist.
I didn’t have the music glitch in sly 1 lol. Still if they are going to be charging money for the games…then the emulator should reflect that, unfortunately it doesn’t.
Meanwhile X Box One X could display Elder Scrolls Morrowind at 16x resolution, and SSX2 at 4K... Sony need to essentially bring the dev team for PCSX2 on board so they can sort this for them. PC is definitely best place to play PS2 games
It’s a convenient shorthand to distinguish between both “versions” of a given game. PAL games were 25 FPS/50hz and NTSC games were 30 FPS/60hz because of the different electrical standards.
@@venomfuryx3250 TVs these days are mostly 4K. You have to do some kind of upscaling at the very least to display games from that era on modern screens.
I thought the PS4 versions were just ports, not in an emulator. Only just finished the first Jak and Daxter game yesterday. I don't see why Sony would keep failing at the emulation here, but they do.
Sony obviously doesn't give a shit about its own legacy so why should we? It's truly maddening because so many of us grew up with these bangers and would love to play them all again conveniently on modern hardware. Time to start up PCSX2 again.
My curiosity is given that Sony doesn’t own the rights to tomb raider perhaps they’re limited by legality not the technicals (this is notable due to the tomb raider 1-3 remaster stuff) also I totally expect with a PS5 pro with the PSSR they’re going to leverage that in the backward compatibility aspect of the PS5 generation to entice people to buy the pro model
They don't want you playing these older games - even on their own new hardware - they are always pushing the current systems playing newer games narrative.
I had a Japanese PS3 import with the PS2 emulator chip on it. I was devastated when I switched to a non-import version and it was gone. However I'm no fool. I do my emulation on a PC and get all the goods, not the least amount of effort.
They need to bite the bullet and see of ways they can work with the PCSX2 emulation team to see what could be accomplised to making a fully realised PS2 emulator.
I've been rebuilding my classic console collection and got PS3 and PS2 fats this summer. U don't need a tink or mods. The $30 hyperkin looks GREAT on my 65-inch 4k FALD tv.
14:40 I don't think the bottom line is really an issue here, Nintendo and Valve have shown that you CAN profit off of a legacy library if presented with quality. PlayStation has a legacy issue because their previous leadership was very openly anti-legacy. These new emulators may be a step thowards something good, but it's clear they got a lot of work to do.
Many are saying Sony should just hire or buy PCSX2 not realizing that they would have to start paying for those roms now. It's also just kinda bad to compare a emulator thats been active for many years vs a newer one, but yeah it's bad that it's not performing well since they have the original ps2 code.
The console companies just throw money away with the emulation. They do such as bad job every time which costs them money, yet they if they just did a decent job they would sell consoles off of it. I bought an Xbox One soley for Halo, and yet it flopped, then i sold the console as it had nothing to offer. Meanwhile i'd buy a PS5 if they could just give me old titles i'd like to play. Sailing the seven seas becomes even more tempting despite my lack of time and enthusiasm for setting it up, but yet once i start i'm sure they'll have lost me as a potential customer forever.
Xbox has amazing backwards compatibility currently across the board. A large chunk of 360 games run at 4K60 on a Series X, and you can use your physical discs. Early Xbox One era was bad, but currently Xbox is offering the best console for gamers looking to play multi-gen backlogs.
Just let me pop in my old discs. No way in hell im paying for my own games again
ho oh, and put value back in the customer's hands? I don't think so sister, you will buy the things you used to own 10 times over.
@@deathtoraiden2080 no I won't. Watch
@@myscorebigyes you will and you’ll like it
@@deathtoraiden2080the MarioTax is now the Crash- Tax too 😂
You better pay for your games at least twice. Otherwise, you don't support the devs.
Not sure why Sony didn't get the PCSX2 team on board to make a PS5 version.
Because Sony is no better than Nintendo. As far as they’re concerned, only they know better and what’s best
aye, true. Then we'd probably be playing PS2 games in 4k 120fps on PS5 if they were given Sony resources. My guess is that it's cheaper to take employees already on the payroll and assign them to the project than to hire an outside crew. But this would be the dream.
they hired 2 of them over 10 years ago to help with emulation on ps3 and 4, and both left eventually. i doubt it would be possible again.
@@bronzin1445 Nintendo's emulation efforts (developed by NERD) for Switch online were at least better than what Sony's been doing lately. If we ignore their N64 emulator, that one has issues too...
13:15 I did this exact same thing 😭 I thought it was gonna be the ps3 version of Tekken 6, but it was for PSP. Such a fake out.
If they can’t get PS2 right, I have little faith PS3 is coming…
Dark Cloud 1 and 2 are PS2 games that seem to run fine on my PS5.
All they need to do is contract the emulator devs for the PC emulators and we'll have a better product, but Sony is still too Japanese to understand this.
@@Malinkadink I mean. they used an open source fan emulator for the PSX classic, it just didn't run on their hardware very well. Sony has not been good at emulation since the PS3.
@@Malinkadinkdude it's well more then just asking someone online to help lol
people think just cause they spent money they have to have everything, when in reality sony doesn't need to do this but rather are making an attempt at least. If you are desperately wanting to play ps3 or ps2 all it takes is ebay and some cash.
It's funny that on PCSX2 we get a crystal clear image while an in-house Sony emulator just produces blur and dares to sell that.
It's funny that Xbox has better PS2 emulation, especially when retail mode emulators were a thing.
@@deathtrooper2048Xbox isn't emulating it. PCSX is. Keep it real.
@@pixeljauntvr7774Those Xbox fanboys looooove getting a hard on with the fact that they can use side loaded emulators. And they tote it like an actual feature the Xbox is sold with lol. I have an Xbox myself and side loading through dev mode is most definitely not a retail feature. Besides Microsoft themselves aren't the ones behind the emulators. The praise is mis placed on Microsoft instead of the emulator creators.
That's because Sony forgot to disable the PS2 blur filter.
PCSX2 actually has a setting for that which is why it looks so clear
Isn't PCSX2 open source? Why can't Sony just use it and base their version on it? It'd be better than this mess.
What's sad is that they already remastered the Sly games in HD on PS3. The PlayStation legacy is a mess.
Similar issue with Code Veronica X. The PS3 remastered version was better than the PS4 ones, which were a blurry mess.
The PS3 versions of sly and code Veronica had numerous issues that weren’t present in the PS2 versions.
@@Cruxis_Angel now that you mention it, I do remember CVX have an issue with black balance on PS3. Some areas were very dark.
@@Cruxis_Angel they must have been pretty minor. I platinum’d Sly 1 on PS3 and never noticed a single issue.
Sly 1 on PS3 had some issues. Controls felt a tad off to me and the music was all remixed and largely inferior IMO. The framerate also dipped a lot but that's an issue on a real PS2 as well.
The fact we have DuckStation that fixes wobble and warps, PCSX2 which is still the only way to get crystal clear PS2 rendering, and PPSSPP which works on refrigerators at like x8 resolution
Is kinda insane when we have PS5 power levels of console
oh and yeah RPCS3 is getting so good you can pretty much play most important exclusives/console exclusivers on it at 60/120 fps x2/x4 resolution, the only thing sony can do with PS3 emulation is to make it fully BC with physical disc support
PCSX2 has issues too on several games. Many are missing shadows, for example: Haunting grounds, soul calibur 3 etc. The ps2 is probably one of the hardest consoles to emulate properly IMO.
Try playing clock tower 3. The FMV's are so messed up lol. Just tried today.
@@SomeRetroGuy I'm grateful for my modded PS2 and the ability to play this game on native hardware
Yeah you said it best, Sony should work with those people not go against them
@@laughingseal2282 I think Haunting Ground shadow issues were fixed, at least in Vulkan and OpenGL mode. When you have an issue, I recommend you to check the PCSX2 wiki.
Sony is just half assing most of this backwards compatibility or “classics”. The PS1 classics showed great promise but they’ve been drip feeding games and just not releasing the bigger games. We got lucky to get some games like Legend of Dragoon and such. The PS2 emulator is still shit compared to what Microsoft was able to do for OG Xbox games on the Series X. Again it’s Sony half assing it. I’m not holding my breath for PS3 backwards compatibility to be great either. They’re going to half ass that one and just say “they play like they do on PS3”. So no higher resolution or boosted performance and all the screen tearing. I hope I’m wrong but god they like proving I’m right.
Seems to be regular occurence with them? Seems they are done that with the later half of the Vita's life and now we seeing similar with PSVR2, they didn't bother to make a good Adapter for PSVR2 on PC!
@@Deliveredmean42 yeah as much as it sucks to say it’s classic Sony at this point.
@TheSubZero187 They offer trophy support, save states, rewind, and controller configurations per game. Calling it half-assed isn't fair, Microsoft doesn't offer any of that.
@@MiguelRodriguez-lp9et that’s why I said PS1 is great at first but not all games have trophy support and again drip feeding. Resident Evil Directors Cut doesn’t have trophies. Half assing where it’s great if they keep going and improve upon it and give us more games. PS2 will be no different but also already off to bad start compared to OG Xbox emulation by Microsoft.
@@TheSubZero187 They JUST updated some games that lacked trophy support.
The games are fairly priced at 10/5 dollars, in my opinion the extra features make it worth it.
At least the performance on the new PS2 emulator has been perfect, I'm surprised they didn't talk about that, only pointing out the performance issues with some PSP games.
What's even the point of an official ps2 emulator on ps5 if you can't play from original ps2 discs?
And let's not talk about pressure sensitive buttons.
And, most importantly, WHY TOMB RAIDER LEGEND? Not only it has a superior 360 port, IT HAS A PC PORT DRM FREE ON GOG.
You cant play from discs because sony are anti consumer its a port to buy again
Hey man, what's GOG? DRM free sounds amazing
By that logic, what was the point of any platform ever emulating the PSP if we can't play from the original PSP UMDs?
And people use PCSX2 and RCPS3 with modern controllers without a second thought, even for games that did utilise the pressure sensitive buttons.
"B-but..."
Look, it's okay, you can drop the whole 'I already own a copy (ISO) of this game!' facade now. We won't judge you.
@@strykah92 No, the logic still stand. Why would I want to emulate (poorly) a limited game library when I can alredy do it MILES BETTER on PC?
Where not only the original pressure sensitive PS2 and PS3 controllers still works, but where there are even third party options (retro fighters sells a modern controller with both sixaxis and pressure sensitive buttons) that supports that feature, that was pretty important in major games like Metal Gear Solid and Gran Turismo.
The only advantage to an official emulator on SONY's hardware would be to be able to directly use your own PS2 library and, maybe, fully emulate it with official hardware support.
Instead we get a very limited and poorly executed experience on a minimal number of games. One of wich is NATIVELY AVAILABLE ON PC.
I don't need to hide it: Ripping an ISO from the internet and play it on PCSX2 is still the best way to enjoy PS2 games today.
Instead with a microsoft console you can pop in your game disc and play it. I have several 360 and OG xbox games that I play on microsoft consoles.
GG WP on accomplishing the mission of looking like a nincompoop fanboy.
It's about making old games seem inaccessible and outdated... They did same with dumping PS2 back compatability on PS3... You need to go proper retro or move onto new gen - Sony doesn't care.
They should have outsource this project to the pcsx2 and ppsspp teams Sony can't get software emulation right compared to the hardware one
They did.
@@otherprisma7354proof?
@@ReveriePass How so? If they get paid, I'm sure they wouldn't say no.
Sony bought Connectix and Bluepoint, they have talent and tech under their belt. They just don't care. RIP bleem!
As far as I'm wear due to the open source license used by PCSX2, code from it cannot be used commercially, which would rule out many of the current PCSX2 developers. That being said, I've heard that some ex-pcsx2 developers worked on the more recent emulation projects.
And we're supposed to be excited for PS3 backwards compatibility?
Yeah aren’t you looking forward to playing PS3 games in 360p resolution?
@@retrogamer64007Extra Screen Tearing modes?
You're better off getting an actual PS3, hacking it and using an upscaler like an MClassic for a better experience at this point, Sony will unfortunately never put in the kind of effort we want
FYI ps2 has a ton of proprietary hardware that does a lot of processing and post processing making emulation really hard. PC emulator on ps2 is still very iffy as well even after like, 15 years+.
On the ps3 slim/super slim for instance it ran ok and playable but it had a crapload of input delay. Some games get notoriously harder because of that.
And we're supposed to be excited for the PS5 Pro and PS6?
6:54 rare footage of Rich losing his composure. The state of PS2 emulation must be dire indeed.
This is sad. I'm steadfastly losing faith in PlayStation's ability and respect for game preservation. If the PS5 had the ability to emulate PS3 exclusives from discs, like it does with PS4 titles, I would buy one just for that feature. I'll just stick to using PCSX2 and RPCS3.
EDIT: Adjusted wording to emulate. I was using the term "native" as capable, straight out of the box.
If it had that ability it wouldn't cost 500 dollars more like 1000 would you still buy that?
@@Ghost-Zilla12 Xbox emulates 360 just fine. The PS5 CPU can emulate PS3 just fine.
@sphericalred You didn't read the comment fully he said, "native ability to play ps3" the only way to play a ps3 game natively is by a ps3 or something with the ps3's chip set. Emulation is not native. I never said the ps5 couldn't run a ps3 game if it had a good ps3 emulator like RPCS3 it could.
Sony is too lazy to develop a PS3 emulator
Rpcs3 is utter crap
How can Sony's engineers, with access to documentation and microcode and all STILL do a worse job than a handful of nerds with nothing but talent and determination on their side? Lol
Tomb Raider Legend is not correctly emulated on the PS4/PS5. Because, the shadow's are missing. Which are actually present in the original PS2 release.
A lot of post process on ps2 was done by extra hardware parts. I tried the pc emulator and soul calibur 3 shadows also were missing. It's a difficult console to emulate.
@@laughingseal2282 Shadow's seems to work fine with PCSX2. So clearly Sony is not doing a good job.
Wait, the PS5 version of Sly is seriously limited to 4:3 aspect ratio?
The PS3 remaster supported, and you can patch the ISO with widescreen hacks to run on a real PS2. Real shame.
Yeah… i bought it immediately when it came out because i thought it was the ps3 remaster that i played on ps now. But no… the blurry old ps2 version .. which is fine but damn they could have given it a little love :/
@@kriskater No offense but this sounds a bit like lack of research. Why would you think it's the PS3 remaster? There are no PS3 remasters on PS5, it's simply not a thing. Every PS2 game that was released on PS4 and PS5 since 2015 is just straight up emulation of the PS2 games. PS Now had actual PS3 games because they were cloud steamed from real PS3 hardware, you weren't playing it natively.
@@symphony137 i was just excited okay! Lol but yeah you’re right. I just expected it to be nicer and smoother looking. It doesnt even have widescreen ffs. I ALWAYS research games before i buy, heavily. But Sly Cooper (ps5 app) was a no brainer. But ive learned once again that research must ALWAYS be done. No exceptions 👍🏽
@@symphony137there's nothing wrong with him expecting a new re release of a game he likes to be at least as good as the re release released ten years ago. Its honestly insane that the only currently purchasable version of a game is worse than a version available so long ago.
It's the original PS2 version which didn't support widescreen. In fact most games didn't support native widescreen, opting to used the vert- method which zooms into a 4:3 image to fill in the sides, but crops out the top and bottom.
Sony are lazy for it to be this bad 🤦🏽♂️ you can run a PS2 emulator on X Box Series S and play games at 4k 60fps 💀💀
Sony continues to half ass their emulation. They could have easily up rezed the game to 1440p-4K and they would have looked incredible.
Yup, I can see that on SSX3 , Ninja Gaiden 1-2 on XSX and others like Jade Empire, etc and that's not counting Emulation on Xbox with it's amazing PS2, PS1, etc emulation.
@jc_dogen It's Sony's job to solve those problems, I don't really care how difficult it is, they're getting payed alot to do a poor job.
@@MarbleThumbs i'm not saying sony did a good job here. i'm just saying just setting the resolution higher the simple way is a bad idea. sony did it the right way, on ps4. their high res technique avoids all of those problems (but only renders in multiples). not sure what's going on with some of the games on ps5 now.
Sony's business model is half assed... That's why Nintendo Switch still wiping the floor with the competition 😂😂😂
@@Marmite101 Kinda wild that Nintendo is doing a better job with emulation than Sony is atm
Just something to add, the emulator is also being used on PS4 👀 it even has the PS5-like menu!
Thanks!
Sony put an entire team of 2 unpaid interns on this project, what more do you want?
The TH-camr Mystic did a good dive. This new emulator needs to run on the PS4 as well. The PS4 starts that games with the enhancements turned off. I think there’s an issues running on the PS4 and they’re trying to make it compatible with both generations.
Sony’s trying to get phase out the ps4, why add new features?
PS2 via component cable was the bomb. Also running PS2 games on PS3 phat .
That’s because the original ps3 fat (not the second version) had the PS2’s hardware included, not an emulator.
Them talking about how weird it is that Sony decided to put the PS2 version of Tomb Raider Legends/PSP version of Tekken 6 is a good reminder that Sony thought it made sense to put not only the PS2 version of Psychonauts on PS4 but also the PS2 version of MAX PAYNE.
The port of Max Payne that doesn't have rendered bullets in bullet-time. If those selections aren't an example of people being asleep at the wheel somewhere at Sony, I don't know what is.
And then they took time to feature every version of MediEvil and Ape Escape on the store.
Wow dude i didn't know there were extra versions of those games that they could put on PSN instead!!! Lol except they are the only versions available so of course they released those versions duh you must be asleep at the wheel. Do you expect them to put the PC versions on PS5 lol? It's called PlayStation backwards compatibility, not PC compatibility. Tekken 6 has a PS3 version but no PS3 emulation exists on PS5 so PSP was the only option. If you want the PC versions of the other games, play them there, they are always the best versions. Complaining about the PS versions makes no sense, if you have a PS, you'll play the PS versions, that's how consoles work. Do you not understand how consoles work?
@@berkaydemirci _"Do you expect them to put the PC versions on PS5"_
Yes kid.
@@nickblomgren Sony doesn't own those games so they can't port the PC versions of those games, this is BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY, not new ports. It means compatibility with previous PlayStation versions of those games, that's the point, why would you expect something else lol? Learn what it means instead of being a kid who can't even Google. Quality of their implementation deserves criticism but what you are saying is nonsense.
@@berkaydemirci "Sony doesn't own those games so they can't port the PC versions of those games"
Jesus kid.
Sony owns the Playstation 2 version of Max Payne, as much as it owns the original PC version of Max Payne. They don't.
You're also consistently getting "backwards compatibility" and "emulation" mixed-up. Which is kinda funny. They are not the same thing. Backwards compatibility is the function of a device playing software from a previous version of said hardware. You can _achieve_ this via _emulation_ or dedicated hardware.
In context to games media: It is almost always correlated to physical media, or previously purchased digital content. The point is that if you've previously purchased it, that specific device/and or software should be compatible with the new hardware.
For example: The Xbox is backwards compatible. While the game still needs to be downloaded, you can put in your original disk into the new hardware and (eventually) play your game. There's extra-steps involved, but at the end of the day this is an example of previously purchased "thing" running on the new "thing". Backwards compatibility through software emulation.
These, by contrast, are pre-packaged emulators and games being sold piecemeal. They are as much being "backwards compatible" than you trying to fit an N64 cart into a Switch. You wouldn't call a Wii "backwards compatible with an NES". It's the reason why none of these are marketed as backwards compatible options.
Thus they are sold as what they are: _New digital versions of said games._ They package the image files with their emulator because it's the _cheapest_ way to go about re-releasing these games. That's it.
Back to the "Sony owns other peoples 3rd party releases", or whatever that was.
If they wanted too, they could get in-touch with Remedy or Double-Fine and talk about an actual re-release. But that costs money. And it also assumes the people that own the original games would want to follow through with that. That's when it starts to get into port territory. So they come to the developer with this option, ask for a fee and then pop this out. Nobody has their hands tied to put the PC version of Psychonauts on a PS5. But it's way easier and cheaper to toss this out the door and be done with it. For certain games that were not released on other platforms this makes sense.
For the games I cited: It does not, and it actually makes less sense to do so because of all the reasons previously listed. It's lazy. And apply the per-mentioned initiative, with I assume is an underfunded budget, and you get moments where you have to ask yourself: Who is planning the releases here? Do they not know that every-other device under the sun has -insert this version- of said game, which is far superior than what they are offering? They are not constrained by having to only release that version, why choose to do this with this game? Who is running this thing? Is their some-sort of metaphorical wheel they are asleep in-front of?
It's funny that every free ps2 emulator on PC and android is more detailed that an official emulator that cost money.
Yeah I play ps2 games on my phone and can play the whole ps2 library and can go up to 4k and 60fps over sony small selection of games at sd resolution and 30fps lol
We just need options. I would personally put them at raw native res if I could, for example. Particularly with PS1, where I have to use one of the shabby CRT filters to get it looking anywhere close to original.
Sony did a good PS1 emulator for the PS3 and PSP but then proceeded to never do it again. PS2, PS3, never well emulated. Even the PS Classic came out pretty bad.
PS3 actually had a hardware PS2 compatibly at first then software PS2 emulation that they never advertised. It only came to light when people started to hack it for pirated games and emulators.
@@ibrohiem Launch units actually had this enabled, the problem is that it came out with a lot of bugs on the software side. So they disabled it on later units and I think later models like the Slim and Super Slim just don't have the hardware. But of course the software emulation stayed throughtout, and you can even buy those games today.
There's rumors that the PS1 emulator on PSP/PS3 was based off the Bleem code they bought. So not completely done in-house...
They did? Because if so, they didn't use that emulator on the PlayStation Classic Mini since that has terrible input lag.
@@CeceliPS3 I'm guessing you stopped reading my comment halfway through.
They look blury and awful.
Embarrassing in so many level.
yup when u can run ps2 games in 4k and 1080p on xbox series x and s
It's ironic how inside developers don't understand how their old school consoles worked and should look but instead emulators do better job of conveying original hardware.
It's probably because the people making these emulators in their free time care about making them as good as possible, while Sony just wants something good enough to sell to people
Old technology. Devs moved on
Cell is a nightmare to deal with and Sony abandoned it long ago
@@KingAgniKai cell it's PS3's chip. Emotion it's the one you're thinking.
@@Cleoli2 that's the answer. Someone doing it for a hobby is working with passion and love for the games, while Sony is thinking in terms of ROI and that emulation isn't going to sell as much as first-party games or their latest hardware. That's not to say that the Sony employees don't also have passion and love for the very same games, but when you're billing hours, given a directive and a specific timeline, you do as much as you're paid to do. Which apparently is just, "Make these old games work on PS5."
Tomb Raider: Legend ran at 525p on PS2. Says so in the manual.
Are you sure? I think the game supported 480p. 525p is a weird resolution, since NTSC TVs were 480p and PAL TVs were 576i)
@@Espadasilenciosa Yeah. As I said, it says so in the manual. Lots of stuff ran at odd resolutions/aspect ratios back in the day and were stretched/compressed to a proper 4:3.
Honestly Sony should've just set the PS2 emulator to run on CPU mode, and spend the rest of budget on nearest neighbor scaling and good CRT filter. That would've saved all the headache with per game custom configs and game compatibilities. Games would run at 448p/576p only but at least they WORK and scaled properly.
what is your take on the rumored ps3 emulation then? i mean if they can't really do a good ps2 emulation.
someone saw the mystic video huh
Thats in tbe toilet now lol
@@notafanboy355ironic name you have xbot lol
I would actually say PS3 games should be easier to present properly on a PS5. The only hurdle is that you need much more raw power to emulate it in the first place. But the games already used HD resolutions of 720p and 1080p and that scales much better, so there's less to fuck up. That of course doesn't mean there there can't be other issues, like sound glitches etc.
@@MichaelM28 cry pony cry
When Sony made the PS3 backwards compatible with PS2 and PS1 games, everyone said.... nah. Love me some 360 red rings. And when Microsoft made 360 games run beautifully on the Series X, people said... nah... I want to buy TLOU remastered-twice on the PS5.
Me:Xbox 360 got great Backwards Compatibility at 1080p!!
Also me:Oooo free upgrades on my 360 and OG Xbox games for Xbox One X and Series X!
To be fair there are people like me who jumped from PS2 to PS5 and loved playing TLOU1 and 2 for the first time on PS5 as remasters. However I admit that is not the most common situation. Series X back compat is much better than PS this gen. I wish I could pop my old PS2 discs in to my PS5 like I can with 360 games in the XSX. I'd even mod, jailbreak, or otherwise void my PS5 warranty for it.
wish they took a page from xbox and let us put a disc in as proof of purchase ( i know its not actually reading from the disc on xbox but still its a nice feature for collectors)
What pisses me off is that 6th gen consoles require cosiderable uprgrade in resolution to stay faithfull when played on modern display - what i mean by that is that their resolution was high enough so that there was no "low res" when playing on crt tv (unlike much more jagged psx). So when i think of Gran Turismo 3 i think of sharp image and stellar 60fps, and not some blurr. Outputing slightly upscaled ps2 games on large modern tv is not doing it justice, becasue if these screens were the majority back then, all of 6th gen consoles would be built to accomodate for it. So upscaling it to even native screen resolution is the way to do it justice becasue that is way closer to how these games felt when played on a screen meant for them.
Also you can buy a handheld for like 250 dollars, that will handle most ps2 games on 2x native res, with smaller screen where even native res will look great. How on earth sony who have all the specs for ps2, can't program actually decent emulator?
My honest opinion is that all these older consoles should have all their specs released, there should be official tools to recompile the code of every game, so that fans can make better emulators, and custom ports that would use much less resourcess. Or at least they could make an emulator that would compete with what we have on pc and handhelds.
Nothing make poor John sad like bad quality commercial emulation of classic consoles 😢
Plus he's such a Pony is funny
@@Marmite101And you're an xbot with no games 😂😂😂
@@MichaelM28really? lol
Seems you pony_boys still wanting PS2 games to play on your PS5 😂😂😂🤦♂️
Should have bought a Switch
@@MichaelM28enjoy paying MS for your Call of Duty 😂😂😂 SaltPony
Yeah I gave up waiting on Sony to make a good emulator. I got into PCSX2 Nightly when I built my new 14900k and 4090 desktop and oh my God it is like I am able to remaster every game. Playing at 8x scale 60 fps with a widescreen cheat is stupid good.
It’s also stupidly expensive and inconvenient 💀
I don't like how oldschool games on 8x and more fps. It kinda ruins ascetic of the original and makes it look old or cheap. But each on their own. Everyone likes different things.
@@TheDarkguide You're right. Even ignoring the potential graphical issues that come up with upscaling certain games.
@@TheDarkguideyeah I sometimes play on 4:3 just for the old vibe (The Punisher and Manhunt for example)
@@TheDarkguide To be fair, you can just not scale the game of choice to 4k/2k/1080p. You can keep it the way you want and still enhance some aspects. 😊
super important topic. great analysis rich/john
haha, I love watching Rich's face as John relays the details.
And Tomb Raider is the most expensive of the Classics too.
OG Consoles forever.
Saw this coming ever since Shawn Laden left Playstation. Tim Ryan running it into the ground.
Swapped to PC in 2019 and never touched a sony console again. Have an Xbox Series X as my retro console for PS2 and PS3 era games tbh cos all the Splinter Cells, MGS games and classic Tomb Raider etc. all run perfect on it and look great.
I expect Xbox to be ran into the ground now with Sarah Bond now though since Phil Spencer's replacement seems closer to a Tim Ryan than a Shawn Laden.
xbox series x can run any ps1 ps2 psp gamecube wii and more in 4k in dev mode
It's weird, I don't think the PS4 version of parappa 2 suffered from these issues. I did notice a few visual glitches in one part but besides that it seemed fine
7:45 heck even if you hook one of those $5 cheap HDMI 2 PS2 adapters up to an original PS2 (using the ypbpr setting and not RGB, the image is still miles better than what you're seeing on the emulator on the PS5). This is close to what you see if you use a PS2 using the RGB setting and hook up by composite into a TV
Sony used to have good emulation up until the PS3 life cycle.
PS2 had full PS1 chipsets until the slim models after 7000x replaced it with emulation. Said emulation was rocky, but got more compatibility by the time the last PS2 model released and the PS3 was rearing its 600 dollar head.
The PS3 was more capable of emulation so it used PS1 emulation, but put the full PS2 chip on board. They later removed it to cut costs, naturally.
This was pretty justified, but the models of ps3 that emulated ps1 and ps2 had the SOFTWARE removed entirely! This meant that past a firmware update, you couldn’t play the games you owned because Sony removed the software emulator from your console!
Sony made this change around the same time they introduced slim model PS3s and around the same time they started working on PS2 classics in the store.
This meant you couldn’t play your PS2 games but instead had to rebuy *a couple* of them on the digital store to play them with arguably worse emulation.
The PS4 has support for CDs, DVDs, and Blu-Ray, but Sony took away the software to read CDs in order to introduce streaming with Spotify on their consoles.
The PS4 was also planned to release with or have software emulation for ps1 and ps2 native to the console, but of course they took it away when selling classics on the store became profitable.
Whenever you see Sony selling any of this stuff, remember that it’s all based on BS that is being drip fed to us because they’re too scared to do anything that could appease actual PlayStation fans over investors because it has a slight risk of losing profit.
Sony never removed emulation in a software update. What are you talking about?
@@MichaelM28 I’m talking about rumors, as I’ve now read, but this doesn’t mean Sony is just a-ok nor does it mean anything else I said is wrong. Soon after Sony removed any traces of backwards compatibility from PS3 models starting with the 400 dollar 40gb model onwards, they introduced PSN games that are PlayStation 2.
So that people would get their games instead of buying used from GameStop for example, they didn’t allow for any discs to play ps2 games.
This means that the emulation for ps2 games was now on Sony’s end and not on the players end. Custom firmware gives you the software to run ps2 games like the emulator already does, but it shouldn’t have to be an option.
Truth is, the ps2 compatibility would actually be very beneficial to the console if Sony had just stuck through with making it a console feature that supported discs, too. Instead, they locked away every piece of it.
They never removed the software emulator on PS3. The only thing they did is they locked the PS2 emulator in later models, so it wasn't accessible officially. With a hacked consoles you can still use it. And PS1 emulation was never removed, you can play PS1 discs on every single PS3 model...
@@symphony137 never ever once said they removed ps1
@@TheOnlyPedroGameplays”the models of ps3 that emulated ps1 and ps2 had the SOFTWARE removed entirely!”
Even if you meant something else by that statement, it does insinuate that PS1 emulation was removed, which is false.
Also the software PS2 emulation never allowed non-PS2 hardware PS3 models to play PS2 discs at any point. PS2 classics on the PSN were first released late 2010ish but the situation in which PS3 models could or could not play PS2 discs never changed. Respectfully, you might have some Mandela effect going on.
On a side note, I do have a jailbroken PS3, and while yes you can rip PS2 discs to the system and use the software emulation to play them, the vast majority of games have varying degrees of visual and performance issues. It’s debatable whether PS2 games via software emulation ever should’ve been made commercially available.
I wish Sony would build more PS3 hardware. It would be super cool if they made a PS5 that also included PS3 hardware in it. I'd pay up to $800 for something like that.
I hope they update the emulator to allow for boosting the resolution, converting the resolution to progressive scan, & maybe opening up the sides for widescreen for games that dont have that natively. Playing these games at 480i is cancer.
Maybe its the added trophy support and the rewind features that make it more demanding.
On ps4 these features are disabled by default, and turning it on drops performance.
That makes sense.
I imagine that Sony is just assigning these port duties to random employees on their payroll, and either these employees don’t care about the end result, or maybe they do care but aren’t given proper time and support from Sony to make good-quality emulation. And I’m sure Sony doesn’t want to invest much money into anything that isn’t the over-the-shoulder 3rd person cinematic walking simulator
They just updated the game, I wonder if they did anything to it?
Xbox has had better emulation with their old consoles then PS I believe. I would pay more for a console to emulate the previous consoles and have like 90% library even to emulate at original resolution
I don’t get why Sony can’t do like Microsoft does with original Xbox games on series X/S. Those are super clean & clear & sharp but when Sony does it for ps2 games it’s all super blurry looking. What is the deal with Sony & emulating their old games??
They half ass it just to charge for it none of this is compatability
The old Blur station times.
the modern video game industry loves TAA so much they put it into ps2 games
Can you put your old PS2 disks in the ps5 or are these PS2 games download only?
They're included in PS Plus and you can purchase them from the store. So yes, it's a download like any other digital game.
Imagine a world where you’re allowed to keep using something you own instead of repurchasing.
This is pretty close to what PS2 emulation looks like on my Opti system with a 1GB HD 8570. 720P render res to 1080p with 2X AA (and 16:9/wide screen patches)
5:05 I've never been a Nintendo guy but I got a Wii for free and the biggest problem I have looks-wise is that it sits in purgatory between 4:3 and 16:9. The console can't produce widescreen so it squeezes top and bottom and let's whatever TV you have force a zoomed perspective instead. That's what I believe happens anyway, because no buttons or circular items look circular at all on a widescreen TV. It's all olive-shaped, including the letters in written text. That's a common problem even today with subtitles created for 4:3 and then applied to a widescreen release which makes the letters go w i d e. You may not think of it, but if you force such a DVD into 4:3, the letters look nice and normal. It's a shame that this purgatory persists with PS2/other emulation in modern days.
I suspect that Sony is doing a 1.2 upscale for some reason and that's why it looks slightly higher res. I don't understand why Sony doesn't give us a choice to choose our custom resolutions when Sony obviously has no problem with upscaling since they were upscaling to 1080p on PS4, also PCSX2 gives you a convenient drop down menu for different resolutions + integer scaling so that's one of the dozen of reasons why stick with community emulators
1:36 PS button (Been called that since PS3). Or The Oval button “Options” button since PS4.
Pcsx2:
Software render
Vulkan
Opengl
Dx11/12
240p to 8k for free
You just need a cheap used 70$ pc .
I platinumed Ghosthunter and clone wars over the weekend and both look incredible on ps5. There is no aliasing or flickering, it’s such a nice clean image
Yes the resolution could be higher, but it’s still looks like 900-1080p to me
JOHN! What game do you have there plugged into your SNES? 😁
I'm surprised that you guys didn't mention how dark Tomb Raider Legends is. Even when you turn the in game brightness all the way up, it's still hard to see. It's been a long time, but I don't remember the PS2 version looking that dark (although i'm far more used to the GameCube version). Why didn't they just use the PS3 version? People would have complained that it wasn't the full trilogy, but at least it would have run better.
Good thing I took the time to replace the power board on my old 39000 fat PS2. Running fine and with RT5x it's looking pretty nice.
Guess I'll just stick with my PS2 with component cables
Get the pixelfx retrogem. It's awesome
That has always been the move 💯 people that are waiting to play ps2 games on ps5 is wasting their time. Wish Sony would just focus on modern stuff and stop go backwards..
@@WhirlPoolMedia just get an Xbox, play all that's recent, enjoy gamepass and emulate all of the ps2 games for a one time purchase of 15 euros. I have a 2tb harddisk filled with ps1, ps2, n64, gamecube, wii,.. games. Some people are really allergic to owning an xbox
Being able to play "Contra - Shattered Soldier" in good quality on PS5 would be more exciting to me than any new game from Insomniac.
You're definitely in the minority
I hate the analogs limited directional input that I’ve noticed in sly cooper. Jak and daxters is worst (8 way directional input) rather than the original smooth 360 direction
It’s such a shame that it is still really difficult to access and play these old titles. There’s a huge market of consumers who were teenagers during PS2, PS3, PSP, etc. who want to play these games again but have to jump through hoops to do so. You’d think Sony would realise this and have better backwards compatibility support. Surely we are at the point where we can have a PS2 and a PS3 shrunk down to a SoC.
It's a huge bummer that the retro community is now coming out with amazing recompilations of older titles and yet none of these companies seem to want to do this for their older game re-releases. It would allow them to give each game major upgrades without messing with the game code and ruining the experience. I know it may be some work for each title, but you'll have a version of each game that'll be in far better shape for future consoles moving forward.
Also, I love Rich's Bespoke shirt.
Outside emulation is true innovation that the actual development team behind the hardware could not bring us any faster! For decades emulation has challenged the standards and introduced better options for playing our favorite titles in their absolute best.
Even if they could up the resolution 2 to 4 times of the original game, it's still going to look weird and out of place, and all UI and text is still going to be hella ugly if not unreadable.
Only thing I feel really fixes both things at once is a really good CRT filter, and there are some really good ones out there, but they're not as common as they should.
Is there anything that Sony produces that ISN'T sloppy?
One of the many reasons why I stick to original hardware. PS2 (or any older console) with the RT4K looks absolutely beautiful, especially when you set up nice looking CRT effects.
Backwards compatibility is one of the few things xbox does better the playstation
Edit everyone ignore Michael28, he's a waste of life console fanboy
*One of the many things Xbox does better
@@iconofsin4578 no, not really
Xbox Kills sony in features and even games now sorry
@@mattmccaughen7371 the last 10 years say otherwise, there's alot more to gaming then old games and gamepass, yea I can't wait to play helldivers 2, rise of the ronin, and black myth wuking, oh wait I can't play it...
Well yeah and not only for og xbox/360 games, even xbox one/one x games are amazing on series consoles. The backward compatibility is really amazing on xbox compared to ps5
Actually this is the same interface used for ps1 games, and the filters work great with ps1, tried Grandia, Legend of Dragoon, Arc of the Lad and Wild Arms 2.
So I live in NZ and we use PAL. Is NTCS better and how?
Lower vertical resolution, but has a higher refresh rate of 60hertz as opposed to the 50hertz on pal displays
Back then in PS1 PS2 NTSC had 60Hz output and lower resolution where PAL had 50hz output with higher resolution
Now there are no differences.
@@k1z4cz3k pal displays had higher vertical resolution and with the PS2, there were 60hz options for most games.
This was due to the difference between AC & DC power
It's called the "PS-Button". I mean it's a button in the shape of the PS logo, come on John you gamer XD
Yeah I said this above to and it kinda stung when at 1:34 he said that.
there is no reason those ps2 games should not run on a high resolution and 60fps on ps5
If you use Open Source GPL licensed code depending you have to release your code based on it.
If Sony did this then all would have access to PS5 code which could be a risk for Sony
So Sony, if respecting the PCSX2 license cannot use PCSX2 code as a basis for their emulator and with the need for signed programs on console the two cannot co-exist.
I didn’t have the music glitch in sly 1 lol. Still if they are going to be charging money for the games…then the emulator should reflect that, unfortunately it doesn’t.
What??? I didnt know they do emulation again
Meanwhile X Box One X could display Elder Scrolls Morrowind at 16x resolution, and SSX2 at 4K... Sony need to essentially bring the dev team for PCSX2 on board so they can sort this for them. PC is definitely best place to play PS2 games
NTSC and PAL are not regions.
It’s a convenient shorthand to distinguish between both “versions” of a given game. PAL games were 25 FPS/50hz and NTSC games were 30 FPS/60hz because of the different electrical standards.
@@purplepioneer5644 I know. Still not regions. Better to call it JP, EU, US etc.
If this is how PS2 games run in PS5, then im worried for PS3 games in PS5.
I'm considering just getting a PS3 outright for that.
What's up with all this nonsense on Sony's part? My Xbox runs ps2 games in 4k flawlessly
Some comment section have neither the humor nor the brains
@@NB-1 some comment sections have neither the humor nor the smarts
@@Tricolorrr533That dude went to the park to play catch with his dad and his dad told him he was gonna get some milk.
Yes, because 4K was a thing when these games came out on the PS2
@@venomfuryx3250 TVs these days are mostly 4K. You have to do some kind of upscaling at the very least to display games from that era on modern screens.
Why this Tomb Raider? It's also on PS3
I thought the PS4 versions were just ports, not in an emulator. Only just finished the first Jak and Daxter game yesterday. I don't see why Sony would keep failing at the emulation here, but they do.
Sony obviously doesn't give a shit about its own legacy so why should we?
It's truly maddening because so many of us grew up with these bangers and would love to play them all again conveniently on modern hardware.
Time to start up PCSX2 again.
Just an FYI - I have GTA4 on PC and Xbox Series S backward compat and you can clearly see that the Xbox emulator does not upscale GTA4 too great.
How does the Tomb Raider Legend PS2 version on PS5 run compared to the Xbox 360 version on Xbox Series X?
My curiosity is given that Sony doesn’t own the rights to tomb raider perhaps they’re limited by legality not the technicals (this is notable due to the tomb raider 1-3 remaster stuff) also I totally expect with a PS5 pro with the PSSR they’re going to leverage that in the backward compatibility aspect of the PS5 generation to entice people to buy the pro model
Don't you dare disrespect the pal versions!
They don't want you playing these older games - even on their own new hardware - they are always pushing the current systems playing newer games narrative.
Then all they do is resell games
I had a Japanese PS3 import with the PS2 emulator chip on it. I was devastated when I switched to a non-import version and it was gone. However I'm no fool. I do my emulation on a PC and get all the goods, not the least amount of effort.
They need to bite the bullet and see of ways they can work with the PCSX2 emulation team to see what could be accomplised to making a fully realised PS2 emulator.
I've been rebuilding my classic console collection and got PS3 and PS2 fats this summer. U don't need a tink or mods. The $30 hyperkin looks GREAT on my 65-inch 4k FALD tv.
14:40 I don't think the bottom line is really an issue here, Nintendo and Valve have shown that you CAN profit off of a legacy library if presented with quality. PlayStation has a legacy issue because their previous leadership was very openly anti-legacy. These new emulators may be a step thowards something good, but it's clear they got a lot of work to do.
Sad that sony keeps fumbling their legacy content while xbox has had great Back compat for years.
Many are saying Sony should just hire or buy PCSX2 not realizing that they would have to start paying for those roms now. It's also just kinda bad to compare a emulator thats been active for many years vs a newer one, but yeah it's bad that it's not performing well since they have the original ps2 code.
I was so excited when hearing PS2 titles would be coming on PS Plus. But when I actually played it, it was so disappointing.
This is why I love pc gaming. Even there you can play old Playstation better than the actual company. An open platform cannot be beat
PSP Ridge Racer 2 on PS5 looks amazing
The console companies just throw money away with the emulation. They do such as bad job every time which costs them money, yet they if they just did a decent job they would sell consoles off of it. I bought an Xbox One soley for Halo, and yet it flopped, then i sold the console as it had nothing to offer. Meanwhile i'd buy a PS5 if they could just give me old titles i'd like to play. Sailing the seven seas becomes even more tempting despite my lack of time and enthusiasm for setting it up, but yet once i start i'm sure they'll have lost me as a potential customer forever.
Xbox has amazing backwards compatibility currently across the board. A large chunk of 360 games run at 4K60 on a Series X, and you can use your physical discs. Early Xbox One era was bad, but currently Xbox is offering the best console for gamers looking to play multi-gen backlogs.
@@Mancan76My Xbox 360 Backwards compatibility is good to and HD because Updates and I finished Crash Twinsanity on it and looked great and Widescreen.