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What you should be talking about instead of parroting BS that we might see next year. X870 and Z890 boards will give direct lane PCI 5.0 to the CPU that you might want to call "REBAR on steroids". Now you can call this as true dual silicon performance/architecture for INTEL ARC. Hence the early launch for the X870 even that the CPU's are maybe coming 2025 if not at all. In real life this means no queuing or waiting. This means no stutter or broken frames. Comparing performance it means ARC 60FPS is better than 120FPS from AMD/Nvidia for gaming experience without stutter at high resolution/demand. In Wattage it means Arrow Lake 250-295W (extreme) + Battlemage 250-275W = 500-570W combined power. Wattage in general = performance. AMD CPU would give you 170W max and loose 125W of combined performance in the worse case for ARC. Add to that no queuing and no waiting where every frame is good. 5080 for example 400W standalone card where the 400W is all you get and the CPU performance is minimal. Then we have the price. 5080 $1200-1500 predicted + Ryzen 9 9950X $650 + X870/Ram $600 = $2450- 2750. Arrow Lake 285K $600 + Battlemage $500 predicted + Z890 board/Ram $600 = $1700. Plus I predict the ARC all INTEL combo will wipe the floor with AMD/Nvidia combo plus saving you cool +$1000.
@@Austin1990 At this moment, I cannot play Helldivers 2 at Max Setting on my 3070 because it needs 12GB VRAM already. If I upgrade to the 5070 12GB, I can assume I'm going to in the same position in 2027 or 2028.
@@Austin1990 the Division2 back in 2019 was reserving 13.5 GB of memory on my Radeon VII ... a card from half a decade ago that had 16GB HBM2 memory ... in a game at a time when 6gb was the norm ... yes 12 GB of memory on a gpu in 2025 is a TOTAL joke ... and FYI this soon to be 6 year old grandpa of a GPU sports 1100 GBit/s memory bandwidth which is still faster than even 5080 ...
They'd also have to up the memory bus width in that case. With 2GB modules, you'll need 128-bit to get 16GB in clamshell mode (which is what they did with the 4060 Ti), or 256-bit without clamshell. The 5070's current (alleged) 192-bit config can do 12GB or 24GB in clamshell mode, and we know Nvidia won't even bother with a 24GB 5070. Nvidia likely won't be increasing memory bus widths either, since they're betting on larger caches. The best one can hope for is that a refresh (5070 Super?) eventually comes out with 3GB modules. That would mean 18GB at 192-bit. I'm not holding my breath to see a good 16GB card for a decent price, though. RDNA 4 or RDNA 5 will be in my next rig.
yeah they CAN do it, but why would they when their gimped trash cards sell like hotcakes anyway?? they dominate the market so they will always give the consumers scraps, and of course the consoomer will always blindly purchase
We don't know that yet and I doubt AMD will offer a better alternative. New RTX cards will likely feature a new version of DLSS and much better ray tracing. AMD will mess it up by pricing too high again.
@@motelghost477 Yes and no i mean my 4070 mobile deff blows a desktop 3060 out of the water. Both have 8gb of vram. But vram isnt everything. My desktop GPU is a 7800xt nitro + 16gb vram
Not increasing the vram on 5070 basically is nvidia saying "we dont care about anyone, but people at the very top". I max out 12g vram in 2k, and cant max out video settings on many games that are 1 to 5 years old. But ofc they increased from 24 to 32 on 5090
@@Haru_no_ki this is why amd is no longer trying to compete with the nvidia x090 cards, they can spend more money providing better value for people buying under $1000
What did people who normalized the new normal Nvidia practices by buying high end 30 and 40 series cards expect though? That they would reward your loyalty and give you a good deal next time?
its not when you realize they are making sure in +-2 years that gpu will not be enough to keep up forcing owner to either downgrade settings ... or buy new GPU when same one with higher memory would last 2+ years more ...
we need to vote with our wallets ... but unfortunately the whales went banannas with 4090 series and here we are with nvidia frothing like a rabid dawg
nobody needed a 32GB 5090, but everybody needed a 20GB 5080 and 16GB 5070. Come on Nvidia! RDNA 4 is going to absolutely destroy the $250-$700 GPU market. The 5060 and 5070 are going to be left in the dust.
5080 is just about ok with 16gb that's all you need for 4k gaming.... For now. Apparently vram usage will be more efficient this generation too. 5070 with 12gb would be more acceptable with a price cut, they will release an 18gb version with 3gb vram modules later.... Maybe the 5070Ti
Watch the 5070 give 4070 super/407ti performance at $600 resulting in more stagnation than ever. 3070 was a champ at 53% improvement over a 2070/3060 despite being an 8gb card
bro...fuckin same. i was mildly interested in a 5080 if its the same price as a 4080 super with 4090 ish perf, but the current rumors all but shot that down.
You are so lucky omg, that 4070 ti super should last you a good time, especially if you play 1440p, but even with 4k monitor using DLSS, it would be very playable :)
4060 Ti 16GB but same here. Seriously considering team red next go around. I've been team green for a while and the tech is sick but 12 GB on a 5070? Cmon now
@@haukionkannel that’s because Nvidia is the Apple of GPUs, overpriced, horrible value with the only upside being a few exclusive features here and there that people buy for one reason only: it’s Nvidia
12 GB is like Ferrari engine with bicycle tires, that's not going to last long. Nvidia what are you thinking? Did ChatGPT tell you this is how you maximize profits?
would be cool if they did a "customizable gpu" where you can choose your own amount of ram and additions to give a good tell of what people ACTUALLY want
This release is brutal. If you want a 5070, you're only going to beat the 4070 If you want 5080, only beating the 4080 Compared to EVERY other release, you could normally get around a 70 to match the 90
I may think GPUs are way overpriced, but unfortunately the market as a whole thinks GPUs are not expensive enough. The only way prices will drop is if/when actual sales drop.
You know what would happen if every consumer stopped buying Nvidia GPUs? Nothing, they would still be rich af because 80+% of their revenue is from Data centers, they could care less even if they sell a 5070 for $1000, in their eyes, they are doing you a favor because they are neglecting opportunity cost in the data center market. This is what a dystopian society looks like ladies and gentlemen, corporations have grown so much power that they can literally do whatever they please and you would still have to buy from them because they own the industry essentially.
Sorta, they sell gaming GPUs to have something to fall back onto, so they don't specialize in less areas and to keep leading the market. If it wasn't important they wouldn't be making them, It's still an important market for Nvidia. If people don't buy their GPUs and buy from a competitor they'll have to change their strategy, because it opens doors for their competitor to grow big and compete even in data center market. I don't think it's hopeless, even if it may seem so at a glance. What makes it hopeless is consumers choosing to continue paying extreme prices and supporting the monopoly, for instant gratification.
@@eriya8274 I would've agreed with you if not for the fact that Nvidia has 88% market share and their marketing budget was essentially triple of AMD last year. So no, there is a high chance they could still sell you a 5070 for $1000 and get away with it because they are a monopoly straight up
@@madrain9898 I think market share doesn't matter too much, Intel has huge market share on CPUs but AMD is still beloved and they innovate. AMD just needs more capital and innovation in GPUs which they currently don't have. I remember when AMD wasn't that good though, it was about 12 years ago or so. Advertising will definitely turn a lot of people away but it won't work long-term unless Nvidia can continue to innovate and stay competitive price wise. If they get too out of line people will basically "switch to android". Humans have limited capital, so they will buy a cheaper Nvidia card, which will eventually be noticeably slower than a competitors card and they will get laughed at. I'm actually an Nvidia fan, but I'm starting to feel with the pricing, my next buy will be team Red. Unless they somehow mess it up badly again.
It's even worse and more dystopian than that. Nvidia basically has two-tier service, the regular folks are getting shit/purposely gimped products... ALL WHILE their high end/rich customers are getting products that are actually engineered to be as good as they can be. I mean really whos able to afford $2500-3000+ GPU except the rich/upper class people?
12gb at $600, they will never learn will they. AMD already offering 16gb at $450-$500. At this point I would have much preferred if the GPU was 10% slower but has 16gb vram.
You can't even enable FG with 12gb in some games at max settings because it leads to frequent stutters and bad textures, and that's an advertised feature.
I'm done with Nvidia. My used 3080 is the last one I will own. Sure, AMD is inferior but at least you get what you pay for. Nvidia has not offered any real value since 2017 with the GTX 1080 Ti which even today is still a decent GPU.
I wouldn't compare the 5070 to the 4070 as it was horrendous value. A fair comparison is the 4070 super. A step down in Cores form 7160 to a max of 6400 possible is disappointing. But no wonder as the gb 504 is missing this generation making it a 60 class product, which is sold for twice what it should be.
how does 12GB of GDDR7 stack up against 16 gb of GDDR 6? I read GDDR 7 has 40% more bandwidth and 60% more speed, is 12gb of GDDR 7 better than 16 of Gddr6?
If that relates to gaming performance then fine, if the 5070 is let's say as good as a 4080 then honestly it's just better to get a used 4080 since you will have 16gb of vram compared to 12gb of vram.
@@russb7 fast ram and high memory bandwidth is irrelevant if you don't have enough ram size to simply store video data in. The moment you run out of VRAM and system has to borrow any system RAM to fit all the data in performance goes out of the window completely and speed means nothing
11:40 consumers mainly decide prices because of supply and demand so if consumers almost don’t buy the 5070 for $599 then the prices will drop because they still need to get the produced cards sold.
I think the issue today is more one of value. Anyone spending as much as an entire new console on their GPU wants it to last at least as long as the console does, and this used to be true, but at least as of the 3070 generation, it's just not anymore. I'd consider the 5070 at $600 if it had at least 16GB VRAM but we know there isn't any pressure for nVidia to do any differently.
them giving the 5080 16gb of Vram and the 5070 12gb, instead of 24gb - 16gb respectively, are just blatant scams. and i blame it all on AMD for not stepping up.
Definitely not. AMD has had modern Displayport 2.x for last 2 gens whereas Nvidia is stuck on 1.4. heavily affects high refresh rate gaming on 43 or larger ultra widescreen setups. Also found overall frame times and latency was better on my Radeon units. Nvidia does have excellent stack's but the Apple affect is in full swing here.
There's no reason to adjust prices for inflation when factoring in old models. That's because wages have not increased to even keep up with cost of living, let alone inflation. So now people are making about the same amount of money but have less of it to spend, while prices of products have gone up. Doesn’t matter if you adjust for inflation. People had more money to spend back then, so $450 ten+ years ago is still better than $600 now
The scariest part of the video is the inflation from 2019 to today. The most asinine part is Nvidia using Vram to limit performance of its $600+ cards definitely in the past 2 gens at least
The problem with current video game climate is that hardware has increasingly become better while software has become worse than ever. Devs are not even able to efficiently perform VRAM compressions and we have modern games constantly suffering from VRAM leaks and other optimization problems with overdependence on DLSS for performance
I laugh, there will be a 5070 12 GB, 5070 Super 12 GB, 5070 Ti ? GB, 5070 Ti Super GB so quit crying and wait for them to drop OR Get a 4080 or 4060 or heck, go AMD if it upsets you so much!
This price per value issue is why a lot of people, myself included have switched to AMD. I mean for value and pricing, the 7700xt, 7800 xt, 7900xt and 7900xtx are much more on point when you consider price and value. Yah they arent Nvidia, but they really get the job done and my eyes really cant see a ton of difference. Plus AMD has the 7800 X3D cpu that is dominating everything right now. I"ll save money and just run a full AMD build !
@@passivevii4052 Next generation Xbox(2028). Probably overall Xbox is a better platform but Playstation is good also even if they leave some of their coolest IPs in Japan. Basically the majority of Namco Bandai games. PS6 should be capable of full PS3 emulation which means all generations of Playstation games would be playable on one console (PS1-3 emulated... PS4-6 native).
Nvidia will price their 5070 around 649-699$. No way they're ready to drop the price of their 4070 super yet. I mean they didn't even drop the price of their "2 year old" RTX 3050 8gb . They had to cut the specs first before dropping it. Which was messed up imo.
Not being flippant but I’m going to take 16gb on a A770 for half the price , fit into primary PC system and upgrade to a Battlemage in a few years. That leaves me change for a Titan XP or 1080 Ti to fit in my legacy setup.
I have a 4070 Super and 4080 here, and simply skip the Geforce 5000 and 6000 class. my 5700XT survived 5 years, and works now in the PC of my best friend. Space Marine 2 & co even now works fine with... ^^
On Linux the Radeon Mesa driver performance has been exceptionally good. Been playing SM2 co-op etc with the 7900xt. Excited to see what next gen AMD will bring.
Not sure where those performance/increase estimates are coming from for the 5070. IIRC MLID's source, Nvidia were comparing the 5070's performance favorably to only the 4070 Ti (not to the Ti Super) while also floating an MSRP of $600 to 700. Now *that* would be my main gripe with this card as it seems to continue the trend established with the OG 4070. All according to Techpowerup: 2070 = 112% vs 1080 (and I seem to remember that the 2070 non-Super was considered a bit of a disappointment itself at launch) 3070 = 105% vs 2080 Ti (!!) -- 120% vs 2080 Super -- 126% vs 2080 4070 = 114% vs 3070 Ti -- 94% vs 3080 (only the 4070 Super-update brought the card to the performance I would've expected at launch) Based on the leak claiming that Nvidia were only mentioning the 4070 Ti (but not the Ti Super) getting beat by the 5070, I'll add my own speculation: 5070 = ~ 95% vs 4070 Ti Super -- ~103% vs 4070 Ti -- ~83% vs 4080 .... and with only 12 GB and, supposedly, for at least $600, possibly 700. If all of this is only roughly correct, I might as well wait for a good deal on a 4070 Ti Super (or buy 2nd hand) and get the same (or slightly higher) level of performance than I would from the 5070. Plus the Ti Super *does* have 16 instead of 12 GB. Or I'd just keep my current 4070 Super which is very close to OG 4070 Ti levels of performance and also only has 12 GB. My point being: Why would I even upgrade to 50xx, given the price points and performance per dollar values? For that I'd be looking for 5070 Ti Super performance (as a minimum) and for 4070 kind of money (550 to 600).
Thanks for the pick me up! Wasn't having such a great day, but your "cheeks" made me smile at around 1:25 when testing the strength of the motor. Lol thx! 😂👍
The 4070 Super is a sub 600 dollar GPU that will barely be beat by the 5070, years later in an entirely new generation. This is ridiculous. Consumers have got to step their game up and understand the overarching snowball they are helping to cause when they purchase these things. This is going to change gaming forever, and if you are buying these as a gamer, that includes you. Unless people want crappy CPU releases every year because the mid range doesn't need to worry about bottlenecking on mid range GPUs, and if you want all your games to rely solely on AI Upscaling in the future as a substitute for rasterization, and if you want only people who can afford to buy these things as the only people in your empty game lobbies, you need to think about how you affect the consumers in your communities. Go buy a used 4070 Super. F these guys. Turn the settings down. Buy a used ADA card. I will not buy a GPU at these prices even if it means playing on Legacy drivers or just not gaming on AAA games at all. This is just ridiculous. 2500 for the 5090 even is as much as your kid's first used car will cost you. For gaming... Just to play games... No...
12GB isn’t bad for now…but for a card that’s potentially $700? Even $600… Anything over $300 should be 12GB. Hardware Unboxed has said almost the same thing from like a year ago. VRAM doesn’t cost that much. Nvidia is strangling their own products to encourage more sales every generation because they know they can get away with it. Consumers should demand better.
This channel supports Nvidia ! Your facts are always Internet rumours . $600 is not affordable mid range card and that's only the 1 AIB MSRP card Nvidia will mandate for marketing/legal purposes, other AIB cards will be even higher. Expect the 5070 available in most of the world to be $750 or more.
same situation here, i will wait. if 5070 have +25 increase perfomance than 4070 in the worst case, already gonna be better than 4070 ti and close to 4070 ti super.
What nobody talks about technically is the memory size vs GPU cores. I don’t know shineola about hardware design and internal workings…but I would assume there is a “minimum” amount of VRAM is needed or reserved for base GPU functionality. The rest of the VRAM is game textures ect. Are they intentionally bottlenecking the card by keeping memory size lower? With every iteration of card…as they become more powerful does the memory needs of each GPU core increase over time? They are definitely doing the same thing as apple which is massively profiting off of those incremental upgrades like internal memory which can’t be upgraded later. AND it also forces a consumer to buy a more expensive card because even though a lower grade card is available to purchase every gamer knows you can’t ever have enough computing power to experience the best game play.
5070 has 6*2gb=12gb… nvidia can use 3gb memory chips in super version, so 6*3gb= 18gb is possible. Does the nvidia do it and how many hundres more will it cost…
So here we are... Unfortunately AMD doesn't care to make anything better than a 5070 so if you want an actual GPU with vram you're gonna have to buy a 5090 or hope Intel stops their horrible practices and releases a decent high end GPU 💀
The real reason for these prices compared to what you are getting is to force you to spend more money. They did this with the 4080 and it was priced too close to the 4090 and for a few hundred more you got a lot more. And worked. Most people bought a 4090 instead. They want to move everyone up the stack the best they can.
And it will still be selling. And people will still be saying stuff like "12gb is perfectly acceptable for gaming, you don't need more than that at the moment, and you will still need to upgrade in a year anyway and etc, etc...."
16gb for $599 would be excellent. But NVIDIA knows dang well that have total domination on the market share and they’re gonna charge a premium for that. So until other people start buying competitive AMD cards, they’re always going to have a higher price tag
Nvidia's next generation RTX 50 Blackwell GPUs are looking interesting...
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What you should be talking about instead of parroting BS that we might see next year.
X870 and Z890 boards will give direct lane PCI 5.0 to the CPU that you might want to call "REBAR on steroids". Now you can call this as true dual silicon performance/architecture for INTEL ARC. Hence the early launch for the X870 even that the CPU's are maybe coming 2025 if not at all. In real life this means no queuing or waiting. This means no stutter or broken frames. Comparing performance it means ARC 60FPS is better than 120FPS from AMD/Nvidia for gaming experience without stutter at high resolution/demand. In Wattage it means Arrow Lake 250-295W (extreme) + Battlemage 250-275W = 500-570W combined power. Wattage in general = performance. AMD CPU would give you 170W max and loose 125W of combined performance in the worse case for ARC. Add to that no queuing and no waiting where every frame is good. 5080 for example 400W standalone card where the 400W is all you get and the CPU performance is minimal.
Then we have the price.
5080 $1200-1500 predicted + Ryzen 9 9950X $650 + X870/Ram $600 = $2450- 2750.
Arrow Lake 285K $600 + Battlemage $500 predicted + Z890 board/Ram $600 = $1700.
Plus I predict the ARC all INTEL combo will wipe the floor with AMD/Nvidia combo plus saving you cool +$1000.
Let you know the GTX 770 had 2gb and 4gb cards.
console have access 16GB ram while unknow how much their os took
@@BastyTHz System takes 4gb.
So 12gb of free space.
There is no excuse for the 5070 not having 16 and the 5080 having 20. They are purposefully gimping them to sell super versions a year or two later.
Yup Nvidia has done that for a decade and it is blatantly obvious.
Which is why I'm probably waiting until the super refresh
And the super will almost be at the same price as the 5080.
I'm praying AMD are still making a solid card to compete with the 5070 as theyre not making high end cards anymore
@@thehomiesrule123 apparently the 8800 xt might be a bit better than a 5070. Closer to a 5080 at 600 USD.
nobody is gonna talk about the ad at the beginning of this video...
@@alvarg no I have sponsor block
@@andreaspatsalides1914 yes
If it's a you tube add it's not the same for everyone. And a LOT of people use add-block software as recommended for safety by the FBI among others.
He’s talking about the double cheek shit haha
i dont watch ads
Having 12GB in 2025 wound be an absolute joke. Make it 16GB for $500 and I'm buying it.
Is it really a joke? How much VRAM would a HD texture mod on a 1440p game use?
@@Austin1990 In Unreal Engine 5, a lot.......
@@Austin1990 At this moment, I cannot play Helldivers 2 at Max Setting on my 3070 because it needs 12GB VRAM already. If I upgrade to the 5070 12GB, I can assume I'm going to in the same position in 2027 or 2028.
@@Austin1990 the Division2 back in 2019 was reserving 13.5 GB of memory on my Radeon VII ... a card from half a decade ago that had 16GB HBM2 memory ... in a game at a time when 6gb was the norm ...
yes 12 GB of memory on a gpu in 2025 is a TOTAL joke ...
and FYI this soon to be 6 year old grandpa of a GPU sports 1100 GBit/s memory bandwidth which is still faster than even 5080 ...
@@Austin1990 i use about 12-14gb in some games already with max settings 1440p
If Nvidia can slap 16 gigs on a 4060ti skew, then they can do it for the 5070. This is just them upselling, and it pisses me off.
@@jhxc64 they will slap 16 on the 5070. It will be called the 5070 super and be $200 more
dont be pissed off you need to remember that the more you buy the more you save. your welcome.
@@jhxc64 so is double of 4060, man now im dreaming of 5070 double... (24 Vram version) 🤩
They'd also have to up the memory bus width in that case. With 2GB modules, you'll need 128-bit to get 16GB in clamshell mode (which is what they did with the 4060 Ti), or 256-bit without clamshell. The 5070's current (alleged) 192-bit config can do 12GB or 24GB in clamshell mode, and we know Nvidia won't even bother with a 24GB 5070. Nvidia likely won't be increasing memory bus widths either, since they're betting on larger caches. The best one can hope for is that a refresh (5070 Super?) eventually comes out with 3GB modules. That would mean 18GB at 192-bit.
I'm not holding my breath to see a good 16GB card for a decent price, though. RDNA 4 or RDNA 5 will be in my next rig.
yeah they CAN do it, but why would they when their gimped trash cards sell like hotcakes anyway?? they dominate the market so they will always give the consumers scraps, and of course the consoomer will always blindly purchase
Bro what is that position on the desk 😂
FlexiGYATT 🤣🤣
i was gonna say what do you mean then a scrolled back up
Was gonna say...and the way he deadpans me while stroking those armrests is disquieting
Dat averting
@@BloodGTRproductions😭😂🤣 entertainment challenged.
Bottom line is, Nvidia doesn't give a shit. Jensen needs the money for more leather jackets.
If the 8800xt comes in at $550 with 16gb of vram, its a much better value than the 5070 imo!
I think it should be $499
We don't know that yet and I doubt AMD will offer a better alternative.
New RTX cards will likely feature a new version of DLSS and much better ray tracing. AMD will mess it up by pricing too high again.
@@cellardoor9882 seriously bro..700 dollars for crap and all you can say is ray tracing and fake frames? you are ridiculous
$500-550 is where it should be at. $600 is what I'm predicting(for now).
@@Spazzfrom.1989 go to school
bro i got a 7800XT for $425 and it has 16GM OF VRAM! WHY DOES A $600 CARD ONLY HAVE 12GM OF VRAM?!?!?!?
To sell you the 16gb super version for 700+
For sell you later 6070 with 16 GB for 800$
Why, you ask?
Jensen said it some time ago:
"THE MORE YOU BUY, THE MORE YOU SAVE"
So you can't use it for many years
where you get one for 425? I LITERALLY bought one yesterday for $500 😭😭😭
From the 50 series onwards 12GB should be a thing of the past.
10-12gb should be still entry lvl for xx50 and xx60 cards. Those are mostly 1080p cards after all, depending on the game.
@@motelghost477 Yes and no i mean my 4070 mobile deff blows a desktop 3060 out of the water.
Both have 8gb of vram. But vram isnt everything. My desktop GPU is a 7800xt nitro + 16gb vram
Not increasing the vram on 5070 basically is nvidia saying "we dont care about anyone, but people at the very top". I max out 12g vram in 2k, and cant max out video settings on many games that are 1 to 5 years old. But ofc they increased from 24 to 32 on 5090
Lies haha
Give the L for consumers 😢😢😢
@@Haru_no_ki this is why amd is no longer trying to compete with the nvidia x090 cards, they can spend more money providing better value for people buying under $1000
What did people who normalized the new normal Nvidia practices by buying high end 30 and 40 series cards expect though? That they would reward your loyalty and give you a good deal next time?
@@Haru_no_ki Remember they know we will buy the Super or TI version of a card as well. These will have them correct Ram
You should join the ginyu force
Don't forget to grow the long mullet first....
Recoome flashbacks😂
not adding more VRAM while Ray Tracing, DLSS and FG demand more memory than Raster sure is baffling.
its not when you realize they are making sure in +-2 years that gpu will not be enough to keep up forcing owner to either downgrade settings ... or buy new GPU when same one with higher memory would last 2+ years more ...
Don’t worry, at least NVIDIA isn’t Graphically Challanged, just Mentally Challenged
They invited Apple over to their house and were never the same.
we need to vote with our wallets ... but unfortunately the whales went banannas with 4090 series and here we are with nvidia frothing like a rabid dawg
I think they are afraid of cannibalizing their commercial and data center grade cards. Some of us also want to run stable diffusion and smaller LLMs.
nobody needed a 32GB 5090, but everybody needed a 20GB 5080 and 16GB 5070. Come on Nvidia! RDNA 4 is going to absolutely destroy the $250-$700 GPU market. The 5060 and 5070 are going to be left in the dust.
5080 is just about ok with 16gb that's all you need for 4k gaming.... For now. Apparently vram usage will be more efficient this generation too. 5070 with 12gb would be more acceptable with a price cut, they will release an 18gb version with 3gb vram modules later.... Maybe the 5070Ti
5060 and 5070 will destroy AMD variants in ray tracing, new version of DLSS and any kind of 3D modeling work
@@cellardoor9882 Absolutley not LMFAO
@@cellardoor9882 who really cares abt RT on low-mid range GPU? All we care is raw perf and amount of GB ( ideal 16+ )
Native 4K high-fps max-settings PT gamers need 9090 already!
lol nvidia charging $700 for a 70 class card is absolutly nuts
$800
NVIDIA can because they sell more of $700 gpus than AMD can sell $400 gpus…
Bro, holy shit. That was some weird ass marketing for the chair and table.
Ngl, bro got sturdy
Watch the 5070 give 4070 super/407ti performance at $600 resulting in more stagnation than ever. 3070 was a champ at 53% improvement over a 2070/3060 despite being an 8gb card
Hopefully amd delivers the 8800xt at 500/550$ matching a rtx 4070ti super at 16gb vram
@@letsplay1097 Yep, if that happens(or something similar) I would definitely buy it!
Same 5nm node as Ada Lovelace, just new VRAM and higher clock speed. You won’t see big improvement till 6000 series
I read on another site that its supposed to be similar performance to the 4070. I got a 3080 which is slightly better so i will sit this gen out
@@letsplay1097also if it could be compact and efficient and improved ray tracing better upscaler then i might think about amd
4070 Ti super owner, i'll wait 2 gens more to upgrade, and it'll probably be a team red card
@@dgc2780 same
bro...fuckin same.
i was mildly interested in a 5080 if its the same price as a 4080 super with 4090 ish perf, but the current rumors all but shot that down.
You are so lucky omg, that 4070 ti super should last you a good time, especially if you play 1440p, but even with 4k monitor using DLSS, it would be very playable :)
4060 Ti 16GB but same here. Seriously considering team red next go around. I've been team green for a while and the tech is sick but 12 GB on a 5070? Cmon now
@@bjamez007 Yes I'll avoid the 5070 as well. Absolutely zero reason, other than greed, that it shouldn't have 16gb.
You can tell a lot by a generation by the 70 series.- Sun Tzu
Thanks Reptar.
$600 for a "mid - range" GPU... I'm going amd now.
Same prices here on average in Australia between the 2.
Somehow I read mad instead of amd .... lol
Most people still buy nvidia!
The 4070 is a 60 class card and the 5070 looks like it'll be one, too.This is what greed, deception, and a lack of competition look like.
And 5070 will sell more than AMD and Intel can sell all their gpus together!
@@haukionkannel that’s because Nvidia is the Apple of GPUs, overpriced, horrible value with the only upside being a few exclusive features here and there that people buy for one reason only: it’s Nvidia
@@shadowcastyt 88% of buy NVIDIA so most people belongs to that croup!
Sorry i dont have much knowledge but isnt the AD104 die true 70 class die and the supposedly rumored 5070 will be a 60 class card if its GB205?
It depends. Nvidia do say that it is xx70 so it is xx70. But xx70 used to be closer highend in the past and many people are pi**** about it.
reminder that a sh*tty 4060ti had 16gb, a 5070 with only 12gb is a total joke.... i mean ngreedia does think gamers are a joke
I’m so glad I bought a used 3090 for $700 a little over a year ago….24gb and a memory bandwidth of 384 bit….these prices are ridiculous 😮
@@noname-g3k5g melt ??…those are 4090 not 3090 ?
12 GB is like Ferrari engine with bicycle tires, that's not going to last long. Nvidia what are you thinking? Did ChatGPT tell you this is how you maximize profits?
Profits can only happen if fools buy this crap....
12GB was already borderline but with the PS5 pro coming out we may as well begin burying all new cards with less than 16GB vram
A used 4080 seems a better deal than the 5070.
would be cool if they did a "customizable gpu" where you can choose your own amount of ram and additions to give a good tell of what people ACTUALLY want
RTX 5070 is definitely not playing gta 6 in 4K 60fps
This release is brutal.
If you want a 5070, you're only going to beat the 4070
If you want 5080, only beating the 4080
Compared to EVERY other release, you could normally get around a 70 to match the 90
I may think GPUs are way overpriced, but unfortunately the market as a whole thinks GPUs are not expensive enough. The only way prices will drop is if/when actual sales drop.
I just got an RX 6800 for $280 so I think I will pass on the 5000 series.
1:42 skip them ads bro😊
Thanks dude
You know what would happen if every consumer stopped buying Nvidia GPUs? Nothing, they would still be rich af because 80+% of their revenue is from Data centers, they could care less even if they sell a 5070 for $1000, in their eyes, they are doing you a favor because they are neglecting opportunity cost in the data center market. This is what a dystopian society looks like ladies and gentlemen, corporations have grown so much power that they can literally do whatever they please and you would still have to buy from them because they own the industry essentially.
and the more you buy the more you save......
Sorta, they sell gaming GPUs to have something to fall back onto, so they don't specialize in less areas and to keep leading the market. If it wasn't important they wouldn't be making them, It's still an important market for Nvidia. If people don't buy their GPUs and buy from a competitor they'll have to change their strategy, because it opens doors for their competitor to grow big and compete even in data center market. I don't think it's hopeless, even if it may seem so at a glance. What makes it hopeless is consumers choosing to continue paying extreme prices and supporting the monopoly, for instant gratification.
@@eriya8274 I would've agreed with you if not for the fact that Nvidia has 88% market share and their marketing budget was essentially triple of AMD last year. So no, there is a high chance they could still sell you a 5070 for $1000 and get away with it because they are a monopoly straight up
@@madrain9898 I think market share doesn't matter too much, Intel has huge market share on CPUs but AMD is still beloved and they innovate. AMD just needs more capital and innovation in GPUs which they currently don't have. I remember when AMD wasn't that good though, it was about 12 years ago or so. Advertising will definitely turn a lot of people away but it won't work long-term unless Nvidia can continue to innovate and stay competitive price wise. If they get too out of line people will basically "switch to android". Humans have limited capital, so they will buy a cheaper Nvidia card, which will eventually be noticeably slower than a competitors card and they will get laughed at. I'm actually an Nvidia fan, but I'm starting to feel with the pricing, my next buy will be team Red. Unless they somehow mess it up badly again.
It's even worse and more dystopian than that. Nvidia basically has two-tier service, the regular folks are getting shit/purposely gimped products... ALL WHILE their high end/rich customers are getting products that are actually engineered to be as good as they can be. I mean really whos able to afford $2500-3000+ GPU except the rich/upper class people?
12gb at $600, they will never learn will they. AMD already offering 16gb at $450-$500. At this point I would have much preferred if the GPU was 10% slower but has 16gb vram.
You can't even enable FG with 12gb in some games at max settings because it leads to frequent stutters and bad textures, and that's an advertised feature.
I'm done with Nvidia. My used 3080 is the last one I will own. Sure, AMD is inferior but at least you get what you pay for. Nvidia has not offered any real value since 2017 with the GTX 1080 Ti which even today is still a decent GPU.
I wouldn't compare the 5070 to the 4070 as it was horrendous value. A fair comparison is the 4070 super. A step down in Cores form 7160 to a max of 6400 possible is disappointing. But no wonder as the gb 504 is missing this generation making it a 60 class product, which is sold for twice what it should be.
You can smell the 5070 super with 3gb vram modules with a total of 16gb from a mile away at this point
Actually it'll be 18GB since the 3GB VRAM modules will have 18GB on 192-bit bus.
This will be the 3rd Nvidia Gpu line that is strangle holding gamers on vram to sell more high end
Ive been on twitter so much i thought he was about to twerk
I just got a 7900 GRE for $600(after taxes) last week. Was contemplating the 4070 Super or waiting for the 5070. I’m glad I made my decision.
would people be more forgiving of the 5070 having 12 gigs of memory if it had a Memory Interface of 256-bit instead of 192-bit?
No. That wouldn't even be possible anyway. Each memory chip needs a 32 bit bus. Using 6 x 2gb memory modules gives the 192 bit bus
@@mojojojo6292 Thanks for the correction, I didn’t know.
how does 12GB of GDDR7 stack up against 16 gb of GDDR 6? I read GDDR 7 has 40% more bandwidth and 60% more speed, is 12gb of GDDR 7 better than 16 of Gddr6?
Depends, I'd pick 16GB GDDR6.
16gb all day, it is better to have more lanes than fewer lanes, 😊
If that relates to gaming performance then fine, if the 5070 is let's say as good as a 4080 then honestly it's just better to get a used 4080 since you will have 16gb of vram compared to 12gb of vram.
@@russb7 fast ram and high memory bandwidth is irrelevant if you don't have enough ram size to simply store video data in. The moment you run out of VRAM and system has to borrow any system RAM to fit all the data in performance goes out of the window completely and speed means nothing
The squat he hit...
Ill just wait for a 16gb 5060 ti or something idek anymore
That card will be $900 + look at the current and used market on on older cards. They are still $550-900 depending on the model.
Work with me here...! The more you buy.. the more you save!
Ive subbed purely because of that insane ad 😂
11:40 consumers mainly decide prices because of supply and demand so if consumers almost don’t buy the 5070 for $599 then the prices will drop because they still need to get the produced cards sold.
I think the issue today is more one of value. Anyone spending as much as an entire new console on their GPU wants it to last at least as long as the console does, and this used to be true, but at least as of the 3070 generation, it's just not anymore. I'd consider the 5070 at $600 if it had at least 16GB VRAM but we know there isn't any pressure for nVidia to do any differently.
them giving the 5080 16gb of Vram and the 5070 12gb, instead of 24gb - 16gb respectively, are just blatant scams.
and i blame it all on AMD for not stepping up.
wdym not stepping up people have ignored everything both AMD and Intel has done for years now
And how can AMD improve their GPUs if people don't buy them? and don't forget the two CEOs are related.
@@kishin9 You have your logic skewed.
You cant expect people to buy AMD GPUs when nvidia is better at every turn.
@@utopic1312 did they give a better value than Nvidia?
Definitely not. AMD has had modern Displayport 2.x for last 2 gens whereas Nvidia is stuck on 1.4. heavily affects high refresh rate gaming on 43 or larger ultra widescreen setups. Also found overall frame times and latency was better on my Radeon units. Nvidia does have excellent stack's but the Apple affect is in full swing here.
There's no reason to adjust prices for inflation when factoring in old models.
That's because wages have not increased to even keep up with cost of living, let alone inflation. So now people are making about the same amount of money but have less of it to spend, while prices of products have gone up. Doesn’t matter if you adjust for inflation. People had more money to spend back then, so $450 ten+ years ago is still better than $600 now
I like it, it means i can keep my 8gb gpu for longer
The scariest part of the video is the inflation from 2019 to today. The most asinine part is Nvidia using Vram to limit performance of its $600+ cards definitely in the past 2 gens at least
0:16 is that a Dragon ball reference!? 🧐
The problem with current video game climate is that hardware has increasingly become better while software has become worse than ever. Devs are not even able to efficiently perform VRAM compressions and we have modern games constantly suffering from VRAM leaks and other optimization problems with overdependence on DLSS for performance
Remember the days when the 70 class traded blows with the former flagship? R.I.P. performance gains
What really pisses us off is it looks for all intensive purposes is that it seems no faster than its predecessor for $200 more
$600 for 12gb in year 2025 is insane, 16gb should be the standard vram if the price more than $600
I laugh, there will be a 5070 12 GB, 5070 Super 12 GB, 5070 Ti ? GB, 5070 Ti Super GB so quit crying and wait for them to drop OR Get a 4080 or 4060 or heck, go AMD if it upsets you so much!
This price per value issue is why a lot of people, myself included have switched to AMD. I mean for value and pricing, the 7700xt, 7800 xt, 7900xt and 7900xtx are much more on point when you consider price and value. Yah they arent Nvidia, but they really get the job done and my eyes really cant see a ton of difference. Plus AMD has the 7800 X3D cpu that is dominating everything right now. I"ll save money and just run a full AMD build !
gyattttttttttt bro got the broly caked up pose on point
1:56 - a 5070 ti for 699 would be a card I'd actually buy. If it's 16 GB.
Eff these specs. Not upgrading until 7000 series. PS6/Nextbox will force them to up the Vram.
Next box it's Xbox and is better than gay station
Nextbox... now that a clever portmanteau.
@@passivevii4052 Next generation Xbox(2028). Probably overall Xbox is a better platform but Playstation is good also even if they leave some of their coolest IPs in Japan. Basically the majority of Namco Bandai games. PS6 should be capable of full PS3 emulation which means all generations of Playstation games would be playable on one console (PS1-3 emulated... PS4-6 native).
@@cjmunnee3356 5th generation Xbox(2026-2028 release). It will have some stupid nomenclature I'm sure. I'm thinking like Xbox Unity.... or Xbox World.
Nvidia will price their 5070 around 649-699$. No way they're ready to drop the price of their 4070 super yet. I mean they didn't even drop the price of their "2 year old" RTX 3050 8gb . They had to cut the specs first before dropping it. Which was messed up imo.
Not being flippant but I’m going to take 16gb on a A770 for half the price , fit into primary PC system and upgrade to a Battlemage in a few years. That leaves me change for a Titan XP or 1080 Ti to fit in my legacy setup.
Feeling pretty ok with my 7800XT purchase for $500 brand new early this year. With my 16GB VRAM ill have a solid card for some time..... hopefully
People were expecting value for money from Nvidia, lol that's cute.
Those days when the 1060 matched the performance of the 980...
I have a 4070 Super and 4080 here, and simply skip the Geforce 5000 and 6000 class. my 5700XT survived 5 years, and works now in the PC of my best friend. Space Marine 2 & co even now works fine with... ^^
On Linux the Radeon Mesa driver performance has been exceptionally good. Been playing SM2 co-op etc with the 7900xt. Excited to see what next gen AMD will bring.
12GB isn't enough. They should seriously do 16GB on it.
Not sure where those performance/increase estimates are coming from for the 5070. IIRC MLID's source, Nvidia were comparing the 5070's performance favorably to only the 4070 Ti (not to the Ti Super) while also floating an MSRP of $600 to 700. Now *that* would be my main gripe with this card as it seems to continue the trend established with the OG 4070.
All according to Techpowerup:
2070 = 112% vs 1080 (and I seem to remember that the 2070 non-Super was considered a bit of a disappointment itself at launch)
3070 = 105% vs 2080 Ti (!!) -- 120% vs 2080 Super -- 126% vs 2080
4070 = 114% vs 3070 Ti -- 94% vs 3080 (only the 4070 Super-update brought the card to the performance I would've expected at launch)
Based on the leak claiming that Nvidia were only mentioning the 4070 Ti (but not the Ti Super) getting beat by the 5070, I'll add my own speculation:
5070 = ~ 95% vs 4070 Ti Super -- ~103% vs 4070 Ti -- ~83% vs 4080 .... and with only 12 GB and, supposedly, for at least $600, possibly 700.
If all of this is only roughly correct, I might as well wait for a good deal on a 4070 Ti Super (or buy 2nd hand) and get the same (or slightly higher) level of performance than I would from the 5070. Plus the Ti Super *does* have 16 instead of 12 GB. Or I'd just keep my current 4070 Super which is very close to OG 4070 Ti levels of performance and also only has 12 GB.
My point being: Why would I even upgrade to 50xx, given the price points and performance per dollar values? For that I'd be looking for 5070 Ti Super performance (as a minimum) and for 4070 kind of money (550 to 600).
Thanks for the pick me up! Wasn't having such a great day, but your "cheeks" made me smile at around 1:25 when testing the strength of the motor. Lol thx! 😂👍
$599 MSRP but the Asian market will double that price.
Sadly true, I'm in the PH. That $600 will just be 1 mandated SKU by AIB's for legal/marketing reasons all other SKU's will be much higher.
The 4070 Super is a sub 600 dollar GPU that will barely be beat by the 5070, years later in an entirely new generation. This is ridiculous. Consumers have got to step their game up and understand the overarching snowball they are helping to cause when they purchase these things. This is going to change gaming forever, and if you are buying these as a gamer, that includes you. Unless people want crappy CPU releases every year because the mid range doesn't need to worry about bottlenecking on mid range GPUs, and if you want all your games to rely solely on AI Upscaling in the future as a substitute for rasterization, and if you want only people who can afford to buy these things as the only people in your empty game lobbies, you need to think about how you affect the consumers in your communities. Go buy a used 4070 Super. F these guys. Turn the settings down. Buy a used ADA card. I will not buy a GPU at these prices even if it means playing on Legacy drivers or just not gaming on AAA games at all. This is just ridiculous. 2500 for the 5090 even is as much as your kid's first used car will cost you. For gaming... Just to play games... No...
12GB isn’t bad for now…but for a card that’s potentially $700? Even $600…
Anything over $300 should be 12GB. Hardware Unboxed has said almost the same thing from like a year ago. VRAM doesn’t cost that much. Nvidia is strangling their own products to encourage more sales every generation because they know they can get away with it. Consumers should demand better.
This is what happens when there is no competition from other brands.
You actually bowed that desk.😂
whoops, my pants are spatially challenged🤨
I upgraded to a 4070 ti super. I think it was worth it instead of waiting for 50 series.
Same
I'd like to do it too but i need good discounts , not that 6-10% crap.
This channel supports Nvidia ! Your facts are always Internet rumours . $600 is not affordable mid range card and that's only the 1 AIB MSRP card Nvidia will mandate for marketing/legal purposes, other AIB cards will be even higher. Expect the 5070 available in most of the world to be $750 or more.
Okay, that sponsored ad was funny I gotta give that... 0:27 🤣🤣
Please never do an ad read like this again maybe do it in another site I don’t wanna see that again
+1 100% agree. It's not appropriate. I know some kids in the comments got excited about it but the childish behavior turns off a lot of people.
Should I buy a 4070S now or wait for the new 5070 I have an intel i7 10 gen
same situation here, i will wait. if 5070 have +25 increase perfomance than 4070 in the worst case, already gonna be better than 4070 ti and close to 4070 ti super.
@@tabomi311 yes I think about the same but I have a pice 3.0 motherboard I am scared that is gonna bottleneck the gpu too much
Nvidia: *takes a dump on the table* This is what you guys wanted right? That'll be 700 bucks.
The inflation adjustment gets less accurate as time goes on because inflation is underreported by our government.
$600 used to be the flagship card. Well played Nvidia. Well played.
12gb again....utterly crazy in this age.
At least it's not 3.5gb with one of the best memes.
@@pdrey100 most of the kids building pcs now don't remember Maxwell lol
NVIDIA can! They sell more 5070 than Intel and AMD sell all their gpus together!
I wouldn’t mind the price if the vram was higher
That ad beginning absolutely killed me and made my day, that was the least expected thing to do! 😂
599 so its 800 🤷♂
rtx5070 is there going to be a 18Gb version too?? read it somewhere so im just woundering?
What nobody talks about technically is the memory size vs GPU cores. I don’t know shineola about hardware design and internal workings…but I would assume there is a “minimum” amount of VRAM is needed or reserved for base GPU functionality. The rest of the VRAM is game textures ect. Are they intentionally bottlenecking the card by keeping memory size lower? With every iteration of card…as they become more powerful does the memory needs of each GPU core increase over time? They are definitely doing the same thing as apple which is massively profiting off of those incremental upgrades like internal memory which can’t be upgraded later. AND it also forces a consumer to buy a more expensive card because even though a lower grade card is available to purchase every gamer knows you can’t ever have enough computing power to experience the best game play.
hope RTX 5070 super comes with 16-18GB and same/lower MSRP as 5070
5070 has 6*2gb=12gb… nvidia can use 3gb memory chips in super version, so 6*3gb= 18gb is possible. Does the nvidia do it and how many hundres more will it cost…
So here we are...
Unfortunately AMD doesn't care to make anything better than a 5070 so if you want an actual GPU with vram you're gonna have to buy a 5090 or hope Intel stops their horrible practices and releases a decent high end GPU 💀
The real reason for these prices compared to what you are getting is to force you to spend more money. They did this with the 4080 and it was priced too close to the 4090 and for a few hundred more you got a lot more. And worked. Most people bought a 4090 instead. They want to move everyone up the stack the best they can.
Want better value.....BUY AMD!!!
Thankfully I’m not loyal to GPU brand loyalty. I made the switch.
That's most likely what I'm doing in 2025.
And it will still be selling. And people will still be saying stuff like "12gb is perfectly acceptable for gaming, you don't need more than that at the moment, and you will still need to upgrade in a year anyway and etc, etc...."
16gb for $599 would be excellent. But NVIDIA knows dang well that have total domination on the market share and they’re gonna charge a premium for that. So until other people start buying competitive AMD cards, they’re always going to have a higher price tag
The big question is how much L1 and L2 cache these GPUs will use. Also the memory architecture may change leading to faster access to VRAM.