Unless VW switch to cylindrical cells too, they're going to really struggle to compete. Just look at how complex the production lines are for pouch cells compared to cyliindrical ones. Winding a jelly roll takes much less space and is much easier than stacking and connecting all of those plates.
Large companies big egos. Hard to mention competitors names when egos on the line. Jim Farley one of the first to admit Tesla major player. GM I think recently had learned how to say, Tesla. Germany use to being the leader and everyone follows. Nice usa is leaving for once. Even emissions standards are Germany based
Not every blue collar worker needs a big truck or oversized SUV. Trades contractors will probably opt more for vans or carry actual, genuine, real life, honest working class cargo in the truck bed without worrying about scuffing the precious paint job. Too many F150/250/350s + equivalents (EV or burner) are ego-based, over-polished security blankets. The vast majority of commuters don't need dangerously bloated vehicles of any kind. The road accident and pedestrian death data backs this up. Hopefully, VW will make EVs in North America using batteries from their planned manufacturing plants in Canada and the US, then introduce models more suited to the urban setting where 85% of North Americans live. Products like the ID2 and ID3 would sell well at half the price of a Lightning never used to haul cargo, except for groceries and to impress gullible women who think big trucks make a guy tougher. The joke is on the insecure compensating male ... and their bank laughs the hardest. Women ranchers excepted.
Makes me laugh all these companies think they know anything about batteries. They just team up and ask for a battery company them to do it they are not engines and they bring a fat zero to the table.
Batteries are totally different from engines. Engines and ancillary parts have been made and perfected over decades. Batteries have requirements for ultra-pure chemicals - which have to be constantly tested. And the assembly methods - at scale- have to be close to perfect for consistent, reliable performance. You are basically talking lab quality, at huge scale quantity. And that, as I'm sure you know, is hard, very hard ! And then the millions of hours of testing, to charge, discharge over thousands of cycles for your batteries, as you go from prototypes to production...battery factories cost billions, and take years to ramp production ...even established battery manufacturers have problems...
They can adopt any better technology and it stll doesn't matter if they don't know how to correctly design and build a USEFUL car for the common man, the regular blue collar worker.
Its not a Q of "correctly", its simply cost of the technology. On top of that most ppl buy second hand cars anyway which are far more affordable which is what I did.
protag9 • In this point, of voltage architecture, you're correct. Tesla has become lazy and now the engineers there are sleeping on their crown. Soon they will face the result of their mistakes, because the competition doesn't sleep, as we all can see.
Hm, anyhow eyerything comes from Tesla. However, Idra claims that they invented the gigapress and offered them to Tesla, and the same goes with the dry coating process that was offered to Tesla from a german company. But yes, Tesla must have invented the car itself. Who will say otherwise?
Idra didn't offer tesla the injection molding presses. Tesla contacted them&they built it together over almost 3 year's. The dry battery electrode process or dbe was patented by Maxwell and tesla bought them out back in 2019. 👍🏻
Viking, you look tired. Take some rest.
The machines that make these batteries are pretty incredible.
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Volkswagen is really very amazing. Wastage seems to be Tesla's biggest hurdle
Tesla is battery guru
Wastage seems to be Tesla's biggest hurdle and by that I mean the number of dud cells that have to be recycled (at cost).
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Unless VW switch to cylindrical cells too, they're going to really struggle to compete. Just look at how complex the production lines are for pouch cells compared to cyliindrical ones. Winding a jelly roll takes much less space and is much easier than stacking and connecting all of those plates.
Many companies going with 4680 tabless
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Jumping over the wet slurry is a pain
Tabless and DEB both make cheaper, faster batteries
Large companies big egos. Hard to mention competitors names when egos on the line. Jim Farley one of the first to admit Tesla major player. GM I think recently had learned how to say, Tesla. Germany use to being the leader and everyone follows. Nice usa is leaving for once. Even emissions standards are Germany based
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Not every blue collar worker needs a big truck or oversized SUV. Trades contractors will probably opt more for vans or carry actual, genuine, real life, honest working class cargo in the truck bed without worrying about scuffing the precious paint job. Too many F150/250/350s + equivalents (EV or burner) are ego-based, over-polished security blankets. The vast majority of commuters don't need dangerously bloated vehicles of any kind. The road accident and pedestrian death data backs this up. Hopefully, VW will make EVs in North America using batteries from their planned manufacturing plants in Canada and the US, then introduce models more suited to the urban setting where 85% of North Americans live. Products like the ID2 and ID3 would sell well at half the price of a Lightning never used to haul cargo, except for groceries and to impress gullible women who think big trucks make a guy tougher. The joke is on the insecure compensating male ... and their bank laughs the hardest. Women ranchers excepted.
Makes me laugh all these companies think they know anything about batteries. They just team up and ask for a battery company them to do it they are not engines and they bring a fat zero to the table.
Batteries are totally different from engines. Engines and ancillary parts have been made and perfected over decades. Batteries have requirements for ultra-pure chemicals - which have to be constantly tested. And the assembly methods - at scale- have to be close to perfect for consistent, reliable performance. You are basically talking lab quality, at huge scale quantity. And that, as I'm sure you know, is hard, very hard ! And then the millions of hours of testing, to charge, discharge over thousands of cycles for your batteries, as you go from prototypes to production...battery factories cost billions, and take years to ramp production ...even established battery manufacturers have problems...
They can adopt any better technology and it stll doesn't matter if they don't know how to correctly design and build a USEFUL car for the common man, the regular blue collar worker.
Its not a Q of "correctly", its simply cost of the technology. On top of that most ppl buy second hand cars anyway which are far more affordable which is what I did.
If the batteries are easier to make and so smaller and cheaper, the affordable car you call for is far more attainable.
Tesla still at 400V architecture while Zeekr, BYD, Porsche, Lotus all at 800V.
Lucid at 920. How far back Tesla has fallen
Lucid ahead of Tesla lol. They need to focus on not going bankrupt.
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They are ahead on 920V versus meagre 400V. For only cults like you it's a laughing matter
protag9 • In this point, of voltage architecture, you're correct.
Tesla has become lazy and now the engineers there are sleeping on their crown.
Soon they will face the result of their mistakes, because the competition doesn't sleep, as we all can see.
Hm, anyhow eyerything comes from Tesla. However, Idra claims that they invented the gigapress and offered them to Tesla, and the same goes with the dry coating process that was offered to Tesla from a german company. But yes, Tesla must have invented the car itself. Who will say otherwise?
Idra didn't offer tesla the injection molding presses. Tesla contacted them&they built it together over almost 3 year's.
The dry battery electrode process or dbe was patented by Maxwell and tesla bought them out back in 2019. 👍🏻