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.357, awesomeness. RIP PAUL
Amen!!! Sad day , definitely a lose to the 2A community and the world
He did great 357sig videos
This guy died ?
@@stevenpatrick77Paul Harrell passed away yesterday. He has a channel on TH-cam. Him and Hickok 45 are the best.
@@willm5028 very saddened to hear that he was a great guntuber
RIP Paul, that "I'm dead" notification ripped my heart out
Respect that he made his own callout for us. Fucking legend.
Saw that thumbnail couldn't watch it.
@@kodadash903 Seeing his pre-recording with such a peaceful background, it saddens me deeply. I can shrug off the death of TH-camrs but Paul's is different; I stayed in the loop throughout his whole decline.
I'm 60 years old and I cried.
Me too that was tough to see
I saw your comment on Paul Harrell's video yesterday. That notification hit me hard. RIP to him and condolences to his family.
Looking at the trees in the background, apparently the 357 Sig’s muzzle blast blew the leaves off the trees!
paul harrel died?
@@RPhTom Yes, he had cancer if you're not aware
PAUL HARREL JUST TAUGHT CHUCK NORRIS HIS FINAL LESSON.
RIP Mr. Harrel
RIP Paul!
If you get confused easily and don't live in youtube land: Hickok is not Paul, he's alive.
Hickok 45 is Greg, is our youtube gun grandpa on our moms side, and Paul Harrell is our youtube gun grandpa on our Dad's side. Hickok is alive and well, we need him to be for a long time!
Two completely different great people. Paul passed away yesterday from pancreatic cancer. (9/3/24) RIP Paul
Well Explained?
Are you on dope? Every single person who is watching this video knows who Paul Harrell was.
You’re a lifesaver 😅 🙏🏻
@@jd9119 nope. And I don't know who this bloke is either, the yt algorithm mistaked me for a gun loving ameritard and threw this bs in I guess.
@@jd9119 Nope. I didn't.
I'm a retired Deputy Sheriff of 27 years also a SWAT commander and firearms instructor. I've EDC .357sig since the mid 90's. Yes it's expensive to shoot, yes it has a big blast. But in real world shootings it just works, it has that 96% one shot stop. So I go to the range with a 9mm conversion barrel and train with it. That takes care of the price for ammo. But I carry full power .357sig, underwood, Buffalo bore or double tap. Trust me. I've shot thousands and thousands of rounds. But still protects my life, and the life of my family. And yes, the .40 magazine sometimes will hang up on the barrel feed ramp on the .357sig. So for reliability use .357sig magazines or change the .40 follower. Thanks for the video.
Exactly, train with 124 NATO +p and carry the gold standard for effectiveness. It really is a no-brainer.
i thought the 40 and 357 lsig had same mag and follower?
@@allthingsconsidered3211the magazine followers are a little different, not sure how. .357sig will nose dive on the barrel feeding ramp with .40 mags . I only use .357sig magazines for carry. At the range , who cares. But for self defense only .357sig mags. Thanks for responding, hope you have a wonderful day.
@@joejones1779a question for you: do you change the ejector and extractor to practice fire with 9mm?
@@ted.angell7609Hi, I take liberty to answer your question based on S&W m&p 2.0,,,,mp2 either in 9mm or .40 s&w has the same build parts/ guts, .40s&w slide is bit beefier than 9mm slide but all the rest is exactly the same,,,,extractor on the slide or ejector on the sear block are the same parts,,, I had purchased KKM Precision 357sig barrel for mp2.0 .40 slide and that was all I needed. S&W mp2.0 in .40 comes with OE magazines stamped or .357sig / .40 bullets
I assume Glock is no different.
RIP Mr Harrell
Paul will missed, amazing gun guy in every way.
One quick observation: for the concealed carry market, I'd think the .40 would be superior to the .357 Sig specifically BECAUSE of the Sig's penetration. While a plus for LEO use - car doors and windshields, etc. - it seems contraindicated for private use. I would not want to hold on shots out of fear of over-penetration and danger to bystanders. Stopping within the target - even at the cost of marginal penetration - is preferable to injuring a bystander, by far.
On another subject, the outpouring of condolences and grief over the premature loss of Paul Harrell really crystallizes how we, as viewers, feel about you and others who enter our lives and consciousness through the medium of TH-cam. You end up meaning a lot to us, as "virtual pals" and "members of the tribe." We celebrate your presence - and thank you for your wisdom and good humor, shared generously with us. Live forever, Hickok.
Noticed he doesn’t have to get decked out in military garb just to shoot some guns how refreshing
That's because that's not who he is. Nothing wrong with or without the gear depending on people watch who they watch.
When I see a guy in tactical gear in a gun video, I keep scrolling.
Those of us who have actually been there, don't need to cosplay.
And the guys that do cosplay, are usually full of crap.
@@bruceshepard1193Hmmm....Garand Thumb? I know hes suuuuuper popular and a vet.....but he cosplays. Frogman Tactical? Cool dude. Hes a SEAL. Cosplays all the time. Plenty of vets "cosplay". Helpful for us civvies.
@bruceshepard1193 right!! Who wants to look like Rambo! Sylvester Stallone has that covered.😂😂
The beauty of the 357 magnum and 44 magnum is that they are so flexible with the ability load for everything from small game to dangerous critters of the 4 or 2 legged variety.
If you're a loader, you don't have to have a easter egg
hunt in the grass for ejected
cases
I just purchased my first firearm. I went with a 1911 Government model. Thanks for all your videos.
I bought a ,45 cal 1911 Commander as my first auto pistol
It's a RIA - Low end model that I upgraded with a bunch of Wilson Combat and EGW parts.
It just keeps getting better...
And with the info you find online, it's possible to become fairly competent as a pistolsmith
using tools that you can buy for $20 to $100.
Depending on whose advice you listen to.
My first handgun was a full-size 1911A1. I have to warn ya... the fantastic trigger pull of the 1911 design can ruin a lot of other guns for you! You'll appreciate 'em, maybe, but you'll always know how much better they could be. Hope you're having fun with it!
@@eljefeamericano4308 Thank you. I actually almost got the Rock Island model first. But when the time came I couldn’t resist the original.
My primary carry piece is a lowly Glock 19 gen 3 I've used for 15 years - with a HoloSun EPS green MRS optic, a custom threaded barrel with a suppressor or compensator depending on need, an OLight combination tac light and red laser, custom trigger, & mag extenders. On the other hand, the first time I ever fired a rifle, I was 10 at camp & I put all my shots in the 9, 10 & X ring. That was 66 years ago. Since then, I've had military combat training, have done some competition shooting (which will develop bad habits unless it is combat simulation competition), have had 2 years of combat shooting training from 2 retired Israeli special forces soldiers in NYC (and 2 years of Krav Maga alongside that). I don't care what weapon you are carrying. Even a Stacatto XC like the one I used to use in competition won't help you if you can't shoot it effectively. As long as a weapon is decently accurate & the trigger mechanism is decent and the barrel is long enough for reasonable distance and the ammo is reasonably effective, it ALWAYS comes down to who's behind the weapon, not the weapon itself. The real question is have you ever been in a real gunfight situation? Have you learned to control the adrenaline flow & other bodily actions that make you lose muscle control when somebody is shooting back at you. You can't develop this from TH-cam videos or all of the hundred drills you like to go through firing at paper or metal targets at a range.
I have a friend who used to be a Philadelphia cop. For a number of years, he worked undercover in North Philly in an area known as the Badlands (one of the 3 or 4 largest fentanyl distribution centers in the country). He was a highly skilled marksman with his Glock 17 & had won numerous awards in Police competitions. One day he was in a bust that went bad (he was playing the guy picking up the drugs). One of the bad guys took off at a run & my friend went after him, holding his Glock in the mid-ready position with both hands, a round in the chamber & 17 in the mag. The perp dodged into an alley & in a fit of adrenaline, he didn't turkey peek around the corner, but followed him into the alley. It was a blind alley and he ended up standing fully exposed, his pistol with 18 rounds pushed forward in a shooting stance, facing a similarly unprotected perp with a Sig. It was his first live gunfight. They were 10 feet apart. Both emptied their entire mags at each other with neither scoring a hit - at 3 meters or so!!! The perp fumbled his mag swap & my buddy tackled him. He said that he never again took it for granted that carrying a firearm gave him ANY real safety.
@@BlueSun4886 You're not wrong. The gun doesn't solve the problem. It just gives the person carrying it the chance to. Even Browning himself couldn't invent a magic wand, in .45 ACP or otherwise!
Hickok lives hopefully many years! He’s one of the best like Paul was ! Paul RIP !😢 He will be missed!😢
Having a pop tart in honor of Paul this morning
Had one with a coffee after
watching " I'm dead" yesterday.
Least I could do
The answer is always a resounding YES. We do NEED that much power.
I was thinking that would be a serious step down from my .41 mag. lol
Rather Have to Much Then Not Enough!
When I was young, only pussies carried guns with them. Now people are afraid to leave their house without carrying a gun.
*Full Power 357SIG And 10MM FTW!!💪🥳*
MORE POWER, *_Man Grunt_*
My favorite carry gun since I began carrying in 2013 has been a Glock 32 Gen 4 and more recently a P229 Legion in .357 sig
Yea I love my g32. Got mine new around 2004
Never know when you might need to shoot through a refrigerator.
R I P Paul you will be missed !
He passed away ?
@@user-zn5tv5lj6z yes he did. The farewell video that he prerecorded was published in his channel.
Paul Harrell did, not Hicock45
@@user-zn5tv5lj6z Yeah :/ Paul Harrell was a Legend, I can't even believe it still. I'm glad we still have Hickok45
Yes his brother will continue to make videos 😔
The most accurate handgun I've ever shot was a .357 sig. I'm a retired 36 year Deputy Sheriff Sergeant, firearm instructor, rangemaster, sniper. I carried a sig 220/midel 19 and a model 57 over my career.
Its the velocity, before it can kick, the sig bullets are out of the gun. . I love the sig, but a high pressure 40, is better, due to the size, and penetration exceeding the sig. .. listen to this guy, he is telling the truth. I hate the hollow point 180 grains, because its so snappy with regular winchesters.,,, but 😂winchester silvertips are 155 grains of slappery, and will rival the sig any day. Also buffalo bore, doubletap, and some others are pushing .40 to 10mm grounds. The sig isnt too snappy, just a hell of alot of fire behind that baby bullet🎉
If I couldn't have my .45 ACP 1911 pistol, I would have a.357 magnum.
Both time tested
I am so grateful you and John put out so much great content. I watch everyday. Thank you! RIP Paul.
LOVE MY 357 THREE SCREW BLACKHAWK 6.5 INCH BARREL MADE IN 1971 OLD SCHOOL 🇺🇸
Indeed. I have a newer Blackhawk from the early 1980s in .41 mag that is one of my favorite handguns. Would like to get a S&W Model 57 as well.
The Blackhawk is ruger ?
Yep have a 3 screw blackhawk 357 also never fails to put a smile on my face.
I purchased 2000 once fired .357 Sig cases a few years back. The cost was not great. The 357 uses a truncated 9mm bullet. I get them on sale. 40 SW and 38 spec. bullets are double the cost. The 9mm loads with 4.5 grains of powder. The 357 takes 9 grains. Now that's almost twice a much, so the cost is higher there. I use small rifle primers in the 357. With what I have on hand I could blast away for years. My bundle of joy is a P229 with two slides and all three barrels. My 7 shot three inch 686 loads up with 11.5 grains of powder and the blast from that is harsher that the Sig.
I once went into a self-loading phase, but not for long. A good friend advised me that he quit self-loading & stuck to factory ammo after a couple of squibs blew a crack in his barrel. Interestingly, in his case (a Glock 17), in both instances both bullets came out & hit the target when he fired the second cartridge. But, he was out a good aftermarket barrel each time & had to replace it. Go figure. I've never had a squib with my Hornaday Critical Defense 115 grain 9mm.
One of my friends has truly taken to 357 Sig on the Glock platform. I watched him firing the full size model at bricks at 200 metres from prone. He never missed... very expensive in South Africa though. RIP Paul..
RIP Paul Harrell….🇺🇸✊
I carried a Gen2 G31 for 20 years. Used 40 & 357 mags interchangeably. Never an issue. For my P226 and 229, the packaging is marked 357 Sig & 40 S&W.
Nice presentation.
I found LEO trade-in cases of Speer Gold Dot and Lawmen recently in 357S. The Gold Dot was $20/50rds. The Lawmen was $14/50rds. I bought all the Gold Dot they had (3 cases) and 6 cases of the TMJ Lawman. I should be good for a while.
Daaannngg nice find
More is better then not enough !😊
Love the 357 RIP PAUL
Don't forget how big he is and how the recoil looks small in his hands! Great video!
"wisdom from the forums...." as he chuckles. lol
357Sig is the most optimal self defense round available when using properly loaded ammo(SAAMI spec) 357Sig is NOT a 40S&W necked down, it's a necked down 10mm. The problem when most of "experts", including Dr Gary K Roberts, test 357Sig they use a reduced velocity 357Sig from the mass produced ammo companies and compare it the 9mm +P(they do thus purposely to try and protect their garbage 9mm).
When properly loaded 357Sig from companies like Underwood, Double Tap, Buffalo Bore and Cor-Bon there's absolutely no comparison. Properly loaded 357Sig has slightly more recoil than 9mm +P yet the 9mm cultists can't handle 9mm so anything stronger than 9mm+P seems hard to them! LMFAO
40 S&W is also a great round and also enjoys the "one shot stop" the 357Mag and 357Sig both enjoy while 9mm takes at least 3 to 4 rounds to stop the threat, sadly as an LEO I found out the hard way. 357Sig/40S&W/10mm made the garbage 9mm and 45AARP obsolete years ago.
R.I.P. Paul Harrell
40S&W also is from the 10mm case. They are both shortened 10mm and have both the same length.
@@Gieszkanne Correct
The.357 Sig is made from necked down 10mm cases. I form my own since factory cases aren’t found at the range so often. I took my Glock 23 and added the.357 Sig barrel to it. It’s my go to when I play in old abandoned mines. I’ve come across 2 mountain lions and one bear so far but, fortunately, I haven’t had to shoot them. They all backed up as did I. So I have one gun, the Glock 23 that fires the 9mm, 40 S&W and the.357 Sig with just a barrel (and magazine (9mm), change.
The guy in Kansas who recently won a case on his Glock switch had the Glock 32, which shoots 357 Sig. I can't imagine 357 Sig at full auto, but it would be fun to try!
Look up John Dillingers 1911 in 38 special. Similar ballistics.
@@nobodyimportant4171 similar ballistics but much less recoil.
@@nobodyimportant4171That's several interesting words in a row, I'm definitely looking that up.
@@MichaelPoage666 38 super not special. Crazy gun though.
RIP Paul ❤
As a retired LE officer, I always felt soo much more confident carrying the .40 than the 9mm in the event of an OIS. The recoil of the .40 is negligible compared to 9mm, but so many GunTubers have the general populous so convinced of the "snappiness" of the .40 that people that have not even shot a .40 will tell you how "snappy" it is. I shoot all calibers, but if I had to choose only one pistol it would be one chambered in .40 that could be easily converted to .357 Sig with just a barrel swap. And for those who say many pistols cannot handle the stress of the .40 because they were just basically 9mm's with different barrels (Glock 22, 23) the fifth gen Glock 22 slide is definitely "beefed" up over previous generations eliminating any durability concerns.
With the 135gr loads you dont even need 357 Sig. They have the same energy as the 125gr 357 SIg loads.
40 tried bridging the gap between 9mm and the lords round 45. I think it did fairly well of accomplishing that. 45 acp is my favorite round tho. Reason why seals carry those hk USPs or used too.
Your comment struck a chord with me. I have identical CCW pistols - Taurus G2s - one in 9mm, one in .40. The 9mm's recoil is sharper, without question. I say that because I, and 3 others I've had compare them at the range, have the same opinion. The 9mm is "snappier" and slower back on target for follow-up shots. It may be the recoil spring rate or some such, but there's no doubt. The interesting thing is that the classic LEO .40 - the S&W 4006 - recoils more than the G2, and it's a pound heavier; the slide is too heavy, resulting in muzzle rise at the end of recoil travel rearward. Physics matters.
@@MrGsteele Recoil comes NOT from the slide. A heavier slide soak up more recoil.. Its called mass eneratia. Otherwise 9mm from a revolver would have less recoil than from a auto pistol but its the opposite. But its kind of logical that a 124gr 9mm p+ at 1200fps feels more snappy as a 180gr 40S&W at 950gr. Its always a question which loads you compare.
@@Gieszkanne That's not correct - if I understand what you're trying to say. The slide moving backwards has momentum - as all moving bodies with mass have. The slide, at the end of its rearward travel, comes to a sudden stop by impacting the frame's slide stop. That transfers part of the momentum of the slide to the now-coupled slide and frame, and is felt as recoil. A heavier slide will accelerate rearward less than a light slide, and impart less recoil energy, but the same momentum as the light slide at higher velocity. I can tell you categorically that my heavy slide 4006 imparts more rearward force against my hand than does the much lighter slide of the G2.
The difference between a revolver and a semi-auto comes from the fact that a revolver has no independent moving parts - it acts as a uniform mass. The semi-auto decouples the slide and (if the barrel reciprocates) barrel mass from the frame. As a result, it accelerates more rapidly, for a given applied energy, than the entire mass of the revolver. Being lighter than the gun as a whole, it achieves a higher rearward velocity. Energy scales as the square of velocity. So the lighter, but much faster-moving slide produces a relatively high energy.
The attenuation of the rearward momentum of the slide prior to stopping at the end of its travel is provided by the recoil spring. If the recoil spring tension is insufficient to completely stop the slide, the slide impacts the frame; if it stops it mid-travel, there will be no impact against the frame, and the recoil impulse will be gradual over the period of travel. If it stops the slide just before impact, the deceleration will take place over the entire period of rearward travel, making for a soft recoil impulse.
Recoil springs matter - they extend the period of recoil, resulting in less perceived sharpness compared to that resulting from a high-velocity slide impacting the frame without being slowed. Try shooting a 1911 without its recoil spring. In your example, however, the .40 has greater momentum than the 9mm, not less.
That’s why I bought seven rounders. The seventh one is a surprise when everyone thinks you only have six
I have a S&W M&P 357c new since 2010. It came with three 10 round mags and I added two 15 round mags. I have a S&W .40S&W barrel too. I also have a 9mm S&W barrel with three 12 round and two 17 round mags.
It's a blast to shoot on my range. To buy this setup today would be about a Grand. I wouldn't trade it for the world.
Yes, we need this much power at our disposal, whether we use it much or not.
Legacy Sig P229 357sig/40 SW...Perfection.
Speaking of the cost of ammo. That would be a good subject for another video. I took my Dan Wesson 44 Magnum to the range recently because one of my grandsons wanted to shoot it. I had not shot it in quit a while. 44 magnums are basically a dollar per shot now. Nice thing is, 44 Specials are not quite as expensive. I shoot mostly 38 Specials with my 357 magnum guns. But I have really gotten into shooting 22lr. But even that is not as cheap as it used to be. Nothing is!
I normally did same thing 38 reloads for cheapest option.
If you have to take out a loan to go to the range, it is not fun. You definitely need to be proficient in the firearm you carry.
Yeah, I spent over $400 in one afternoon and no time at all. Went to the 9 mm.
@@ironmikehallowweenif you have a g23 or 32 or any 40-357sig model you can purchase a conversion barrel and mag and train the same.
My younger sister was military police officer, a captain in the Army. When she retired, She bought a 357 sig. Two boxes of ammo, and she hasn't shot that pistol NOT ONCE, still has the two boxes of ammo. She's 70 years old now. I told her she needs to shoot that pistol to make sure it will operate properly! Her come back was, IT'S A SIG, IT WILL WORK JUST FINE IF I NEED IT.!!!
Um, what? 🤔
Lol, yup. When I was younger, we didn't use earplugs for working with chainsaws, tractors, feedmills, or pistols 9mm and under. And as I often say to my son, who asks me what the hell we were thinking back then: "Huh?"
Rest In Peace Paul! and Thanks to Hickok45 For staying above ground for a while longer and entertaining/ teaching us more!!!
.357 SIG has significant upsides. Nearly .357 Magnum ballistics with excellent barrier (windshields etc) penetration. The slightly bottlenecked case feeds fantastically. The first widely used semiauto pistol, the Mauser C-96, was initially chambered in a very similar cartridge (30 Mauser) for good reasons.
Downsides: it is wicked LOUD! The only time I ever developed a flinch was when I started shooting .357 SIG. Ammo is not always readily available and it’s expensive. Hand loading is a challenge, mostly because the neck is so short compared to the diameter of the bullet. Setback is a serious concern.
Solution? 9x23 Winchester FTW 😜
When I was a rookie cop, I was asked in court by a defense attorney why I carried a Glock 45 ACP, I answered "Because they don't make a 46 ACP. The judge and court room laughed, that was 1989.
Condolences to Mr. Harrell's family and friends. I have loved the .357 Sig since it came out. It has plusses and minuses. One of the downsides is bullet setback when a round is chambered multiple times due to the small amount of case contact to the projectile. Can equal dangerous chamber pressures.
People knocked the old .38 but it saved my life more than once during my 30 yr career, and my EDC in retirement is a light weight J Frame. On another matter, condolences to the family & friends of Paul Harrell. His loss is felt by everyone in the 2A community.
Good aim beats terminal energy for most situations.
YES! .357 sig isn't the first handgun you buy for self-defense, it's your second. Once you can handle 9mm, you should have no problem with .357 Sig. A lot more blast and the recoil is not snappy, but you got to hold it tight and you'll have extremely quick follow up shots. Not so easy with a 40. It's not cheap, but you can practice mostly with 9mm, and the self-defense ammo is the same as any other.
I have found that the 357 Sig is a good carry round with the 124/25 grain round at 1450 fps range. I am using this as my primary carry. It is equal to the 357 Mag something that I carried for years and still do when I am hunting. I also have a 9mm slide and barrel that fits my 229 which makes it cheaper to train with like shooting 38 special in a 357 mag. Plus I have a steel frame 229 making easier giving me better second shot control. I also have a 40 S&W barrel so I can use this great round also. I like your videos they are informative and fun to watch. Keep up the good work.
The .357 Sig existed long before the .357 Sig existed.. Russia did it with the 7.62 X 25mm.. Never understood why manufacturers didnt just work on improvements with that round. Guess Sig wanted their name associated with it is all..
7.63X25 is too long for most pistol.
So .30 calibre is the same ( according to you !?? ) diameter as 9 mm = .355”!! NOT , and .357” = 38 calibres
And therefore bullet weight (s)??? Are 😂 not any where the same …… etc
Cz52 7.62x25 85gr mv 1400.@@texassabre7214
What do you mean? 9mm is .35 caliber not .30 caliber and so is .357 Magnum (it's literally in the name .357). All these rounds are the same caliber. They should just round up to .36 caliber and should have made them all .36 caliber or .35 caliber exactly because why did they make them five thousandths of an inch and seven thousandths of an inch over .35? Like why in the world would would they make a round a few thousandths of an inch off and such weird diameter instead of just
.350? Why .355 or .357 but I digress what that all means is they're all the same caliber. 9mm, .357 Magnum, 38 special, and .357 Sig are all the same caliber. Neither .38 special or .357 Magnum are .38 caliber actually they are only called .38 special because long ago when they first made the round they measured the case diameter instead of the bullet diameter for some reason and the case is .38 inch. Also it's dumb that the .380 called that when that's also a .36 caliber round like the others and not .38 caliber and they have no excuse or reason at all for calling that round .38 caliber.
@@aethelred9781 as said 9 mm = .355” that’s not point 357” and originally the what’s called 38s generally ( not all are .357” now )
Were heel type projectiles ! Like 22LR still is ! Which was a hold over from cap and ball revolvers etc , they were trickier to produce and not as
Consistent and accurate as inside case dia projectiles also hard to make different bullet weights and keep overall finished lengths down / same .
I was being sarcastic to @ sixoaksfarm1556 ! ….. whom couldn’t even say / write 357 mag 😂 wrote sig twice . And says that .76* ( *= 2 , 3 , 5 )
Equivalent to 9mm or .357
Nice to see ear protection. Some of these guys on here don't take that seriously. I'm new to the channel, great stuff so far.
If you don't want hearing protection, you'll end up like
me and hear WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !
every waking hour for the rest
of your life.
Besides other cumulative effects, it only took one shot
while hunting to ruin me
Hickock is about 6ft 7in height
I just picked up x2 complete uppers (slides, barrels, springs, and ejectors) to convert my Glock Gen 4 19 and 26 from 9mm to 40 S&W. Glad you mentioned the follower issue with the 357 Sig since I was considering picking up a Glock 31 'uppe' for my Glock 17. My Ruger Blackhawk in 30 Carbine has an insane muzzle blast sending a fire ball down range with every pull of the trigger.
WORD TO THE WISE HAND LOADER. 357 is not a "neck down 40". Parent case for both is 10mm. If you neck a 40, your case length will be too short! Doesn't matter if it headspaces on a shoulder. Plus the head webbing isn't as robust as 10mm so it won't safely handle the same pressure!
Was looking for this comment. Thanks for stating what others always get wrong.
Finally
Thank you for pointing this out, as someone who has been hand loading 357 Sig for a couple decades. This is hard round to get good crimp and prevent bullet set back. I use both a taper crimp die and prefer a lower bulk density powder to fill the case as much possible so if the crimp fails, it can't move much.
@@schinderiapraemeturus6239 Thanks for the info. I only had good luck loaded 1 batch of nickel plated 357 (in wich my Hornady decapper definitely enlarged all the flash holes) but so far have had very good success with 124gr XTP JHP and AA7 powder. around 1300 fps give or take depending on barrel length. Using medium Lee crimp.
@@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevel Warms my heart to see so much intelligence among gun guys. First gun was a Sig 40 LEO trade in now its converted and I have 2 357s. My 10 is a long slide Tanfoglio with 200 gr FMJ in a chest rig. but I really enjoy loading 460 Rowland on my converted 45. Most loads 1300 fps but a soft impractical XTP does 1600. Basically only 2 are right (hard cast coated, or hard cast core, thick jacketed XTP mag resized with special Corbin tooling). soft 230 XTP does make a water jug go BOOM though! lol You have to use Accurate 7 or Longshot. Expect flattened primers. Back off when the cases bulge... this is in a gun with a supported chamber. NOT A GLOCK.
Thank you for another great video Hickok 45!!!! #RIPPaulHarrel #Godspeed
Disadvantages of .357 SIG: add that, if one reloads, there aren't any carbide sizers, so brass has to be lubed and then unlubed.
I body size with a .40 carbide die with no decapper, then I full length size with the steel 357 sig size die without lube since it's only really sizing the neck. Never had a problem over the course of probably at least a thousand reloads.
its a necked down 10mm to handle the pressure not a necked down 40 s and w
Huge fan of your channel,long live Hickok45
I just wanna go on record saying that when it comes to hand guns there is no such thing as stopping power point blank period. The attacker either feel the pain or they don't. You hit the right spot or you don't!
So then a .22 has the same effectiveness as a .357 in your thinking?
Great video. I purchased my Sig P239 back in 2005/6 mostly because my duty assignment required a compact handgun and I wanted stopping power with penetration. Using Speer Gold Dot 125 grain HJP since purchase and I'm very happy with the performance for what I require of the gun. This has been my EDC for decades and other than price of ammo, I have zero complaints.
Rip Paul
Coonan has a semi-auto which fires the same rimmed .357 magnum which revolvers fire - it's been around since 2009 - and is based off of the 1911 platform, in fact, it actually accepts several 1911 accessories.
The Coonan has been around since the 1980s !!
Everybody's a big shot. We are civilians. We are not on the front lines. We are not state police, swat or SEALS. To each his own. I'll stick 95% of the time with a 9 followed by 380, 32H&R and 38spl. In younger year, I used a 40 and 44 mag in bear country hikes. But since that is way past time, no. Oh, and PS Ayoob is a windbag, and Harrell had the best content presented in the best way. He is one of a kind. RIP. Live Long and Prosper Hickok45. The world needs good information. CIAO!
Essentially all special forces use 9mm sidearms.
Ayoob is definitely a windbag, I'll give you that.
@@chrisseger2346I tend to agree.
@@chrisseger2346 lol
@@edteller5821 lol
The .357 Magnum 125 JHP is definitely superior to a .45 A.C.P. 230 grain.
The Texas DPS ditched the Sig Sauer P220 for many OIS that failed to stop the bad guy. The .357 Sig became the new .357 Magnum. The Magic Pill and Lightning were the names given to the .357 in Law Enforcement.
Try 10mm, 135gr @ 1600FPS. It is THEE .357 Magnum load known as "the man stopper".
@@RNG-999 CorBon made a 135 grain Nosler JHP .40 S&W +P in the 90’s that was known as a very effective one shot fight stopper. CorBon had some quality control issues that hurt their reputation.
@@boostimalaka1The quality controle issues were real. I had a box of corbon 9mm that the bullets weren't seated deep enough in the casing, causing a jam in a browning high-power bad enough thatI needed a screw driver to get them out.
@@RNG-999It isn't 10mm. .357 caliber is 9mm.
My S&W .357 revolver has been my carry for decades. Heavy, but effective.
Had one in the late 90's. Thanks for the memories!
Great Job!❤
Glad you did this comparison!
Loving the 357
The 357 sig is basically an expensive 7.62x25
Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner!
Slight problem with bullet weight there...
Love the 357 sig. I load it with 90 grain xtp’s shooting close to 1700. 450 SMC is also a beast of an auto. Cartridge that almost touches .357 magnum performance
Same here .357 sig UW 124 grain.
Sig Sauer P320 full size in 357 SIG.
Ruger Blackhawk RULES!!!
10mm FTW
I believe it was Paul Harrell who pointed out that in the "common" caliber ballistics effectiveness pyramid 40 S&W falls right behind 357 magnum and just ahead of 45 ACP... If memory serves it runs 96% for 357(125 gr SJHP), 94% for 40 (regardless of gr), 92-94% for 45 (depending on gr)... As i recall 9 mm came in somewhere around 67- 72%.
Dick Fairburn also has some stats in his videos, and his own life experience, which supports 40 S&W as the "Goldielocks" caliber for law enforcement.
As a former, and perhaps returning, law enforcement officer... I tend to agree with Dick, 9 mm is adequate for civilian self defense, but a bit under performing for leo applications.
A handgun only suffers by comparison, taken on its own merits, it fulfills its role.
When you need to protect your life you need the power. When it is only a conversation a 22 short might work
who knows.
I carry my service revolver 4" Smith & Wesson Model 686, AKA the "Distinguished Combat Magnum" since 1982 I can read and write with it. I only need one shot for a kill. I think this is the best cal there is for self-defense. lots of ammo options. R.I.P Paul
Paul 😢
Love the 357 SIG! 5" barrel is fantastic with this cartridge. Handloading it's nearly the same cost as 9mm.
Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
Tell that to the cop who just discovered you were concealed carrying without proper CCW papers in most states. Though, if I had to choose between a felony gun rap or being laid out on an autopsy table, the graybar hotel is my pick, too. I'm now 76 and my motto is "The older you get, the less of a deterrent life in prison is."
@@BlueSun4886 That's why I carry legally.
The auto version in my mind the 10mm.
Yes, exactly and 10mm also works really well in a PCC yet there are very few out there at the moment. I'm surprised PSA hasn't brought one out yet.
It is 9x25 mm Dillon.
I started out with a .357 Ruger short barrel in the 1970's. It was a great totally reliable firearm. From there, I bought a Dan Wesson .357 kit. Then I started to get into 9mm handguns after the data said they work with the newer ammunition as an adequate protection caliber.
A few years ago, I bought my first .40 caliber. That's a great pistol and it gives me added confidence in its ability to provide sufficient stopping power.
If I was starting out now, knowing (or at least thinking I know) what I do now, I would use only .40 cal as my handgun of choice. And yes, I'm very familiar with the .45 having used it many times in the Marine Corps.
It’s weird how people are running from the .40 and declaring it dead/obsolete.
If nothing else, a .40 Glock can easily be converted to 9 and Sig, so for about a grand you get a three-in-one sidearm.
If you own a SIG SP2022 chambered in .40 S&W, you can change the barrel to shoot a .357 SIG and still use the same .40 cal clip. It will accommodate the two rounds. If you change the barrel once more to shoot 9mm, you have to buy new clips. The SP2022 is a multi-caliber unit. You have the best of both mentioned calibers ( .357 & .40 ) as mentioned.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and keep your videos coming please. RIP Paul
Paul?
Thats a good question Hickok
The right bullet composition in that weight sweet spot of ~125gr pushed at high velocities is indeed very effective at what you’re trying to accomplish with a defensive pistol for human threats. Nothing is an end all be all, but for an average size person this particular combination offers sufficient penetration as well as lots of temporary wounding due to its energy dump which is of course a result of velocity. Heavier slower bullets penetrate deeper so they’re better for hunting and such but the energy dump isn’t as impressive and the temporary wounding follows suit. Lighter “hyper velocity” bullets have a great energy dump, but they tend to not penetrate as much. This is why for handguns that middle weight, high velocity projectile such as in the .357 mag, .357 sig, some really hot 9mm +P+ etc. has proven so effective.
Can personally vouch. It's a beast. Great fireball with about a 8 in diameter. Draws peeks from people in indoor gun ranges. The sig P229 has a great purchase too. I would instantly buy a magnum version that would be insane lol.
Have both, love both!
Hickok please get a full scan and check up and take care of yourself... im guessing you do...but cant take the risk of losing you too!
357 is awesome. They need to make them in carbines
Hickok 357? Don't sound right to me.
Several of the firearm manufacturers have magazines marked for both 40 S&W and 357 SIG. Also, “357” SIG is marketing - the round is .355 or nine mm.
More power and more calibers is always a good thing.
Love my Coonan!!! RIP PAUL🇨🇦
I have a Glock G20 with .40 S&W, and .357 Sig barrels. Very versatile.
Hi, I have the same 10mm Glock. I will be investing in a couple of barrels, thanks for the tip.
i just turned 17 today Mr Hickok45 love your vids bro
Hickok45, I agree completely with your analysis of the .357 SIG which is the same reason I don’t own a 10MM among my dozens of handguns.
Yes, hit the cylinder ejector rod like Paul Harrell said in years past. Don't slap the ejector rod like Caleb taught.
Life is good
Yes, it is, and we all need a friendly reminder of that from time to time.
There's always somebody somewhere that's worse off
than you are.
I think about that daily
I had a Sig 229, in .357 Sig and .40 (it came with 2 barrels and 2 main springs) and loved it. Man, that was a long time ago too, right after the .357 Sig got popular. But you're right, I couldn't afford to shoot a lot of the .357 Sig, and I wasn't a fan of the .40 either, so I ended up trading it in. What a pistol though.