@@zachpugh4768I think this is made using AI. Once it’s heard the Darth Plagueis voice, it can replicate it. But it is an excellent production. Both the audiobook and the video we’re watching.
@@DarthKorrin Yes it is AI which has made massive leaps in recent years. They can now even take recorded voices from people of the past such as Hitler, use his exact voice, make him speak English and give the exact same speech he gave back then. It's crazy how far tech has come.
Sidious's biggest mistake making his empire was that he was to obsessed with ruling through blind fear, ambition and obedience. His empire lacked the core fundamentals that form the foundation of any truly long lasting nation that being true loyalty, a founding positive Ideal to aspirer too and a merit basses structure rather than one that promotes cutthroat and incompetent leaders more focused on their carers and power to care about the roles they fill
God....I love this also. Even Plageuis basically telling his former apprentice that he is on borrowed time also and he chastises him on anakin also. Also beautiful line from Plageuis "A Throne Carved from of the corpses of pawns"
I watched another of these videos between Vader and Qui Gon and asked ChatGPt to write an exchange between the two. I got the following: **Scene: A dark, empty chamber with dim lighting. The air feels thick with tension. Qui-Gon Jinn, his robes flowing with the Force, stands across from Darth Vader, his former padawan. The sound of Vader’s mechanical breath is the only noise that fills the room.** --- **Qui-Gon Jinn:** *(calmly, yet with a hint of sadness)* Anakin... I never believed this would be the path you would choose. This is not the destiny I envisioned for you. **Darth Vader:** *(his voice is cold and mechanical)* You do not understand, Master. There was no other way. The Jedi failed me. The galaxy was falling apart, and I had to act. I did what I had to do. **Qui-Gon Jinn:** *(stepping closer, his voice firm but gentle)* I never failed you, Anakin. But you’ve chosen something darker. The darkness you’ve embraced-it clouds your judgment. Can you still feel the light within you, or has it truly been extinguished? **Darth Vader:** *(pauses, a flicker of internal conflict in his eyes before the mask of indifference returns)* The light is gone. You saw what the Jedi were. Weak. Ineffective. The Republic was crumbling, and the Jedi could not stop it. I *chose* power, I chose control. Only through power can I bring order, to save Padmé… to save everyone. **Qui-Gon Jinn:** *(his gaze unwavering, filled with sorrow)* Is that what you truly believe, Anakin? That power can save those you love? You sought to save Padmé, but you’ve lost her, not just in body, but in soul. You’ve become the very thing you swore to destroy. **Darth Vader:** *(slams his fist into the ground, the room shakes)* *I* am the only one who can save them! The Jedi were too bound by their codes, their rules. I was forced to make a choice to protect what was mine. I did what I had to do! I did it for her! For the galaxy! **Qui-Gon Jinn:** *(quietly, his voice a soft whisper of truth)* Did you ever think that perhaps the true path to power was not through domination, but through compassion, through selflessness? The path I offered you was not the easy one, Anakin. It was the one of balance. Of peace. **Darth Vader:** *(scoffs, his voice tinged with bitterness)* Peace? Peace is a lie. It’s all just words. *Order* is what the galaxy needs. The Jedi were so caught up in their ideology that they failed to see the truth. The Emperor-he knows that, he understands power. Only he can bring true stability. **Qui-Gon Jinn:** *(with a sad shake of his head)* Stability through fear, Anakin? Through oppression? That is not peace. That is tyranny. You’re so blinded by your belief that you’re protecting the galaxy that you fail to see how much you’ve already lost. Look at yourself, at what you've become. You wear a mask, but it’s not just your face that’s hidden-it's your heart, your soul. **Darth Vader:** *(his breath grows heavier, almost a growl)* You are wrong. You don't understand! I was *forced* into this. I did it for her! For my future! No one else would understand. No one would act as I did! **Qui-Gon Jinn:** *(softly, with unwavering compassion)* Anakin... it was never about force or control. You had the choice-always. The darkness is powerful, but it is not the only way. You can still choose to turn back, to find the light again. You’re not beyond redemption. But you have to *choose* it. **Darth Vader:** *(a long silence, the sound of his mechanical breathing filling the air as his hands ball into fists)* It’s too late for me, Qui-Gon. I’ve made my choices. I have to live with them now. **Qui-Gon Jinn:** *(stepping even closer, his tone pleading)* It is never too late, Anakin. The Force is always there to guide you back, if only you let it. But I can’t do it for you. You must make the choice. Will you continue down this path of destruction, or will you find your way back to the light? **Darth Vader:** *(pauses, his head tilting slightly as if considering the words, but then the cold determination returns to his voice)* There is no going back. **Qui-Gon Jinn:** *(whispers, his eyes filled with sadness but not resignation)* I hope, one day, you will find peace again. You were meant for so much more, Anakin. Don't let that be forgotten. *(Qui-Gon’s figure begins to fade, his Force spirit slipping into the ether, leaving only the sound of Darth Vader’s mechanical breathing in the still, dark chamber.)* **Darth Vader:** *(softly, to the empty room)* It’s too late. --- **End.**
Plagus once said an apprentice does not need to be stronger, merely more clever and that's exactly what sidious did he was clever and he killed his master
But that's not what he meant. The core of the rule of two is the apprentice beating the master in a fair fight. The sith destroyed each other for centuries until Darth bane introduced it. Bane wanted to find a new apprentice as he noticed Zannah wasnt going to fight him until he's so old it's not a challenge anymore. He thought she was weak. If the apprentice just betrays the master and takes over power, the rule of two is destroyed as its shown in the movies. Sidious didn't want his apprentices to destroy him. He wanted to replace them with someone better every time. If Sidious would have followed the rule of two, he would have seen vaders betrayal. In the end it was Sidious fault the sith failed. If plagueis would have been emperor im sure the empire would have lasted longer
Yes the incredible dynamic between Bane and Zannah. Its not that Zannah loved Bane, sith dont love. But she saw Bane as her father being a frightened child all alone on Ruusan. She was content with her role. It was Bane forcing her hand. @Zerberster213
Plagueis didn't care about the Rule of Two either. Plagueis was obsessed with immortality cause he wanted to rule forever, which goes against the Rule of Two @Zerberster213
@@Zerberster213no such thing as fair fight. Treachery is Sith 101. Plagueis himself killed his master when he was distracted saving them from a mining explosion.
I love this. For those who don’t know, Sidious basically designed the empire so that it couldn’t function without him. Everything ran through him. Plagueis is basically warning him about that here, that it’s only a matter of time before it will collapse. I love him chastising sidious about anakin too. Some sith hated fallen jedi, they didn’t deem them true Sith Lords. They thought only those that were sith from the beginning were true sith.
Your exactly right and the he whole sidiius designed the empire to work for him was a lot of how that mustache man from 1933 built his. Star Wars was created on real life events etc
No, the Austrian Painter did not operate or think like that. He wished for the German people and its third Imperial iteration to go on for a long time after his death.
I think it is very possible that the Empire would have survived, and even thrived, if Luke joined forces with Darth Vader. There is no doubt that Vader would have been able to seamlessly take command. Plus, unlike Sidious, Vader's instincts were right about a lot of things, including need for the Death Star. Luke could have functioned as the "Good Cop" to Vacer's Bad Cop. The only fly-in-the-ointment would have been Leia.
I just discovered this channel. Holy guacamole this is absolutely amazingly written. I’ve been having a blast going through all the videos. Thank you for this. THIS is real Star Wars. This is what it was supposed to be. Keep up the amazing work.
“I crafted you to be more…more than a schemer, more than a coward. Yet you reduced our legacy to manipulation and deceit.” My goodness, this dialogue is sheer poetry!!! This guy knows these characters like old friends. Who can it be?!?!? For one thing, it is certainly not someone that works for Disney.
Lmfao. The fact you think fucking Plageuis would unironically whine that Sidious was a good schemer and manipulater, or even worse, that it's an accurate representation of his character, is geniunely astonishing. God I hate the SW fanbase.
This is why I love about Darth Plagueis, as he is a sith, but a lot more wiser and honest than half of the Sith, to the point that he points out to Palpatine that Anakin is far too dangerous and powerful to be used by the Sith and also pointing out his mistakes and flaws in running the first Galactic Empire, which in the end he was right and also what a coward he is as well. I have read Darth Plagueis and I got to say I enjoyed it as it shows the last of the Sith line started by Darth Bane and Darth Zannah and giving Plagueis a major role and also showing how evil Palpatine really was and that he is the devil of Star Wars itself as he was the one who succeeded where many Sith failed in doing or close in doing it but failed and that was destroying the Old Jedi Order and the Old Republic that stood for thousands of years which is saying something and brought changes to the galaxy over hundreds of years in a century.
Palpatine killing Plagueis was the biggest failure he ever made Plagueis was on the verge of discovering true immortality not crappy essence transfer Palpatine should have waited a few more years and let Plagueis teach him that trick thats the main goal of the sith but sidious was too impatient and that knowledge died with Plagueis Palpatine never figured it out and had to keep jumping into new bodies this with failure to train a decent apprentice meant the sith were always doomed to fail on his watch.
I’m not sure he would’ve discovered it. I think that George Lucas wanted it so that the dark side didn’t offer it. That’s the whole irony of all of it. The dark side can grant a sith unimaginable power, but they’ll never be able to find immortality, only the light side offers it. As sidious said, he could save others, but not himself
Not really, Plagueis already worked with Tenebrous about that, and many years later he also worked with Sidious still Plagueis couldn't ressurect himself, although he could resurrect others but we see this a similar ability to Force heal.
Plagueis discovered it and taught it to Palpatine. It's literally outright stated in the same damn novel in the last chapter as Palpatine was torturing him.
"You chose the cowards path to defeat me, and now you clutch to skywalker like a crutch" That's rich coming from plagueis of all people, considering he is guilty of both those things in the plagueis novel. Instead of challenging his master to a duel, he used deception to undercut him and he was naive enough to fully trust sidious, thinking he was willing to go along with his plan for them both to control the galaxy, only for sidious to betray him so he can keep all the power to himself. Remember what sidious said? "There is no way, but my way." Such is the way of the sith.
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Tenebrous was at least awake. Plagueis was half drunk and not really awake.
Baseless to claim that, Palpatine is a better and more skilled politician, he barely tricked Jedi and Senators. I doubt Plaguies could do the same, he would be discovered earlier and fail.
Palpatine was highly skilled at gaining power. However, when it came to actually ruling he was comically terrible. For a thousand years the Sith plotted their rise and for what? An empire that at it's strongest was barely held together and ultimately fell within 20 years Had Sidious been half as skilled a ruler as he was a schemer the empire might have at least lasted a generation.
@@HisShadow12It's clear. Sidious didnt actually care about ruling or the Empire. It was a means to an end, he used the Empires resources to collect ancient relics and texts, destroy old temples after collecting everything within and master his powers. He gave high ranking positions to the ones who.sucked up the most and didnt offer any true insight intk battles/polotics of the Empire. Sidious was as he always has been, an ambitious power hungry oerfectionist who uses everything/everyone to achieve it.
Damask wanted to be the shadow emperor to whom the official emperor answers to. The true power behind the throne. But Palpatine felt that was unnecessary. Ultimate direct rule and power - that was Palpatine's vision. No more games with the senate or any other power-faction, once the Death Star is in place, and the Alliance destroyed.
Absolute perfection! When I first scrolled through the videos, I saw one of these and skipped right over it without a second thought. I am glad I decided to give this one a go! This should have been canon. This video is quite captivating, amd I could have watched the conversation/debate carry on much longer. Excellent work! 🖤
Exactly what I was thinking. A little, shall we call it, opportunistic conniving murder in the caves atop a plasma mining shaft. Or something like that.
What makes this an excellent case study is in how Plagus sees the faults sidious either fails to see, denies, or thinks himself beyond reproach and reach of all concequences, never seeing that now that he is in the center of everything, he must then struggle not to be burried under the very empire he has formed and it was always precarious and fragile. The weight of it all, the resistance of the force, the people and the very system of incompitence of his underlings will crumble the foundations and he will fall. If one seeks unlimited power, one must understand their own limits or be destroyed by the very thing they covet.
@@timurjack8773 yepp, that is literally the way of the Sith.. and it was the idea of Plaugeis to live forever and don't continue the way of the sith, so yeah, Sidious just followed his vision
“I trained you to be more, more than a schemer..” That to me is essentially the true great tragedy of Plageuis the wise, not that he dies, but that Sidious kills him. He dies before teaching Sidious the secret to midichlorians, and ultimately wanted Sidious to be more than just another Sith.
I sense a theme whenever you have Palpatine talking to other Sith they scold him but are in their own way trying to alert him to the Empire’s eventual fall Yet prideful as ever the Emperor all fires back justifications and does not listen to the advise of his elders
I love this idea that Darth Sideous influence had misunderstood the philosophy of the Sith and took their beliefs of fear and power and immortality and diluted them for himself.
I've never been a fan of AI voices (or pretty much AI "anything") but Palpatine sounds very convincing and Plagueis' voice sounds fitting enough although when I read his lines, I always imagine James Hong's voice.
The dialogue in these videos feels more authentic with each release. I love how Plaguis sounds just like his book adaptation. That's the quintessential voice of Plaguis as far as I'm concerned.
In short, he was fixated on cheating death. To the point of also being responsible for the Rules of the Sith starting to fade. It was his intention that Palpatine would be the face of the empire and the new order and he would continue to exist, do what he wanted in pursuit of mastering death. As fun as this video is, it fails to actually represent Plagues. He was the one that set Palpatine up to enter the Senate. Half if not more of the whole scheme against the Jedi was his idea. He was the one that orchestrated the plot with Naboo to instigate a state of emergency to force an election and get Palpatine in office. Plagues does not die until a day or so after Palpatine is elected. Then Palpatine kills him in his sleep. Near about the end of The Phantom Menace. Plagues is not often credited for how much work he put into the master plan. Much of it was also backed by his own direct funding to allow the Trade Federation to begin mass militarization. The fault with Plagues is that he trusted Palpatine TOO much. Literally. If I recall right, is hardly held anything back from him. He served up everything he had on a silver platter and basically held a sign up saying "kill me at your next best chance". And Palpatine took it. Again, if I recall right, Plagues was of the impression that after their coup and the fall of the republic, the Rule of Two would end. This is also why there was a more frequent attempt to obtain more acolytes and apprentices.
This was soooo good!! Almost like two old evil philosophers debating. We need to see a Darth Plagueis TV backstory! All you need to do is just deage Ian McDiarmid.
I feel like Sideous could have thrown out "you were weak, and I destroyed you..." Just like Anakin did. And "I Am The Sith..." As a rebuttal to all Plageous' claims of the sith traditions.
I really enjoy watching these mini episodes. It is great to see how the true Sith chastise Sidious for being a coward and rebuking him. The Sith were supposed to be victorious through strength, not manipulation.
I'm no expert but I believe that an apprentice always challenged their master in combat to prove that they are stronger than them in the darkside. Palpatine was just a little bitch.
Darth Plaguis the wise says some deep things like Don't create a weapon that you can't control. And Darth Vader being the embodiment of the Jedi that Sidious failed to destroy.
Plagueis wasn't that noble either.. In 67 BBY, Tenebrous and his apprentice, Plagueis, traveled to the planet Bal'demnic to investigate a lode of cortosis ore. However, their M-2 mining probe droid had been sabotaged by Subtext Mining, and ignited a pocket of lethane gas, causing a massive explosion. Though Tenebrous managed to contain the explosion, Plagueis saw the opportunity to get rid of his master by dropping the ceiling to his head
Plagueis was pretty much right in this debate. Skywalker ended up dethroning Palpatine, because Skywalker wasn't truly Sith, he was just a very souped up Dark Jedi who was lied to. If we account for all of the pieces of media leading up to ROTJ, about the times Vader has had second thoughts on Palpatine and the Sith and his purpose of living, it's clearly evident. And Plagueis was in the middle of trying to meddle with science and the dark arts to achieve immortality. Something Palpatine had cut short and hadn't known how much that would cost him, until he was finding himself hopping clone bodies and eventually his spirit being extinguished.
I wanted Star Wars to die. I needed it to die after Disney. But this? Palpatine even resembles his og Empire Strikes Back hologram. I haven’t cared about Star Wars for years, because I felt betrayed by Disney. But this, this feels like real Star Wars again.
Disney "Star Wars" is not true Star Wars. It is simply another cash cow, consisting of nothing more than references and empty spectacle. Led by activists and shareholders. But we, the Lucas loyalists, remember the TRUE Star Wars. The philosophy. The epic conflict between good and evil. The rich lore. We remember, we preserve and we create.
I agree with Palpatine in this scenario. Literally every Sith Lord since Darth Bane has either killed their master and taken their place, or died in the attempt.
Do you know of the Rule of Two? It was meant to be a religious process of evolving through the dark side. Through death they gain strength, and that gives them power. Not betrayal like Palpatine to his own master and his apprentices, especially Vader. Bane understood this well when the power of the Sith was too diluted in the Sith Empire, and knew that dark side could be focused and evolved through a legacy of student and master. When the student kills the master, its a sense of trust from the master that their legacy will grow and be developed further in the dark side. A selfish act for the Sith, not merely for themselves. Palpatine violated this by instating the power of one by crippling vader and desiring immortality through the dark side, which cowardly and parasitic in nature. Even Emperor Valkarion would call him a poor excuse for a Sith, even if hes extemely poweful.
A throne carved by the corpses of pawns ,,, sidious legacy summed up right there
I don't see it, where is it? Did you mean that to describe Sidious?
Like Obi-Wan said. The empire founded on treachery and innocent blood? It will never have peace.
And like all corpses, they rot away, crumble, and eventually collapse. Much like Palpatine's Empire.
“Even the greatest architects are prisoners of their own design” like damn Pleagus wasn’t holding back on them verbal bombs
He’s not called Pleagus the wise for nothing if even he could see through sidious’s deleusions and lies
Similar concept in arcane this season from Silco. "We build our own prisons"
He was salty
Well it is Plageus and not modern woke Disney so it makes sense.
Well it is Plageus and not modern woke Disney so it makes sense.
"Spoken like a snake slithering through the cracks of the Sith code." Plagueis wasn't just a master of the dark side. He was a master of comebacks.
😂😂😂
I immediately thought of the turn down for what meme 😂
Thing is, plagueis did the same. He waited for his master to drop his guard and ended him. He's insulting Palpatine for doing exactly what he did
gift of the gab.
I love that Plagueis' voice is so close to the voice Daniel Davis uses for him in the Darth Plagueis audiobook.
I have it audiobook. It one of my favorite
@@zachpugh4768I think this is made using AI. Once it’s heard the Darth Plagueis voice, it can replicate it. But it is an excellent production. Both the audiobook and the video we’re watching.
@@zachpugh4768 As do I
Are you talking about Niles from the nanny?
@@lyleeggmolesse5330 what
Man, Sidious here actually sounds like Ian McDiarmid. That's spooky
actually ya is that AI or what the hell ? because if it is VO'd, Disney should hire him as a backup.
@@DarthKorrinAI
Plagueis sounds like Daniel Davis, as in the audiobook.
@@DarthKorrin Yes it is AI which has made massive leaps in recent years. They can now even take recorded voices from people of the past such as Hitler, use his exact voice, make him speak English and give the exact same speech he gave back then. It's crazy how far tech has come.
@@mspionage1743 Of all the people through all of recorded history, that's the example you went with? Weird.
I just don't understand how a TH-cam video can be better than the entirety of the sequel trilogy. This is excellent
No Agenda
It's very easy to understand. Anything is better than the sequels.
Devotion. That's how.
Disney had No vision that’s why
This is a shitty AI slop and nothing more. Not mention that Plagueis looks awful
Like how plagueis is right about one thing his empire won’t last forever, especially Anakin won’t stay by his side for long after he betrayed him.
No empire lasts forever though, a demise of an empire in inevitable etc
@@94462duh you must be a genius 😂.
@@94462Eternal empires do last forever
Like Obi-Wan said. The empire founded on treachery and innocent blood? It will never have peace.
Sidious's biggest mistake making his empire was that he was to obsessed with ruling through blind fear, ambition and obedience.
His empire lacked the core fundamentals that form the foundation of any truly long lasting nation that being true loyalty, a founding positive Ideal to aspirer too and a merit basses structure rather than one that promotes cutthroat and incompetent leaders more focused on their carers and power to care about the roles they fill
God....I love this also. Even Plageuis basically telling his former apprentice that he is on borrowed time also and he chastises him on anakin also. Also beautiful line from Plageuis
"A Throne Carved from of the corpses of pawns"
“He’s a flame burning too brightly.”
Chill Plageuis bro that burn was worse than Mustafar
Anakin did burn pretty brightly on Mustafar; between that, the smoke, and the smell, he wasn't too hard to find.
And that's how Darth Vader became the hottest guy in the galaxy.
pls never stop doing these
and why should he stop?
@@manugaming2157 the horrendous quality and lack of work involved, given its AI generated…
@@exempligratia101 Let's see yours?
@@exempligratia101 Are you kidding me? The dialogue is fantastic!
I dont know who's making these videos but Bravo. They clearly have a deeper understanding of Star Wars lore and their characters than Disney ever has.
Bruh they're just LLMs trained on Star Wars debating each other 😅
@@Armageist They are doing a pretty good job at it though... ;)
@@TheUnklecueball i don't think so...
I watched another of these videos between Vader and Qui Gon and asked ChatGPt to write an exchange between the two. I got the following:
**Scene: A dark, empty chamber with dim lighting. The air feels thick with tension. Qui-Gon Jinn, his robes flowing with the Force, stands across from Darth Vader, his former padawan. The sound of Vader’s mechanical breath is the only noise that fills the room.**
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**Qui-Gon Jinn:**
*(calmly, yet with a hint of sadness)*
Anakin... I never believed this would be the path you would choose. This is not the destiny I envisioned for you.
**Darth Vader:**
*(his voice is cold and mechanical)*
You do not understand, Master. There was no other way. The Jedi failed me. The galaxy was falling apart, and I had to act. I did what I had to do.
**Qui-Gon Jinn:**
*(stepping closer, his voice firm but gentle)*
I never failed you, Anakin. But you’ve chosen something darker. The darkness you’ve embraced-it clouds your judgment. Can you still feel the light within you, or has it truly been extinguished?
**Darth Vader:**
*(pauses, a flicker of internal conflict in his eyes before the mask of indifference returns)*
The light is gone. You saw what the Jedi were. Weak. Ineffective. The Republic was crumbling, and the Jedi could not stop it. I *chose* power, I chose control. Only through power can I bring order, to save Padmé… to save everyone.
**Qui-Gon Jinn:**
*(his gaze unwavering, filled with sorrow)*
Is that what you truly believe, Anakin? That power can save those you love? You sought to save Padmé, but you’ve lost her, not just in body, but in soul. You’ve become the very thing you swore to destroy.
**Darth Vader:**
*(slams his fist into the ground, the room shakes)*
*I* am the only one who can save them! The Jedi were too bound by their codes, their rules. I was forced to make a choice to protect what was mine. I did what I had to do! I did it for her! For the galaxy!
**Qui-Gon Jinn:**
*(quietly, his voice a soft whisper of truth)*
Did you ever think that perhaps the true path to power was not through domination, but through compassion, through selflessness? The path I offered you was not the easy one, Anakin. It was the one of balance. Of peace.
**Darth Vader:**
*(scoffs, his voice tinged with bitterness)*
Peace? Peace is a lie. It’s all just words. *Order* is what the galaxy needs. The Jedi were so caught up in their ideology that they failed to see the truth. The Emperor-he knows that, he understands power. Only he can bring true stability.
**Qui-Gon Jinn:**
*(with a sad shake of his head)*
Stability through fear, Anakin? Through oppression? That is not peace. That is tyranny. You’re so blinded by your belief that you’re protecting the galaxy that you fail to see how much you’ve already lost. Look at yourself, at what you've become. You wear a mask, but it’s not just your face that’s hidden-it's your heart, your soul.
**Darth Vader:**
*(his breath grows heavier, almost a growl)*
You are wrong. You don't understand! I was *forced* into this. I did it for her! For my future! No one else would understand. No one would act as I did!
**Qui-Gon Jinn:**
*(softly, with unwavering compassion)*
Anakin... it was never about force or control. You had the choice-always. The darkness is powerful, but it is not the only way. You can still choose to turn back, to find the light again. You’re not beyond redemption. But you have to *choose* it.
**Darth Vader:**
*(a long silence, the sound of his mechanical breathing filling the air as his hands ball into fists)*
It’s too late for me, Qui-Gon. I’ve made my choices. I have to live with them now.
**Qui-Gon Jinn:**
*(stepping even closer, his tone pleading)*
It is never too late, Anakin. The Force is always there to guide you back, if only you let it. But I can’t do it for you. You must make the choice. Will you continue down this path of destruction, or will you find your way back to the light?
**Darth Vader:**
*(pauses, his head tilting slightly as if considering the words, but then the cold determination returns to his voice)*
There is no going back.
**Qui-Gon Jinn:**
*(whispers, his eyes filled with sadness but not resignation)*
I hope, one day, you will find peace again. You were meant for so much more, Anakin. Don't let that be forgotten.
*(Qui-Gon’s figure begins to fade, his Force spirit slipping into the ether, leaving only the sound of Darth Vader’s mechanical breathing in the still, dark chamber.)*
**Darth Vader:**
*(softly, to the empty room)*
It’s too late.
---
**End.**
@@borjab. I think so.
“a throne carved from the corpses of pawns” is a god tier line that sums up Sidious’ rise to power flawlessly.
This is so well done. It feels like a snippet of an epilogue form the Darth Plagueis novel. I wish we got more stuff like this in canon.
The voice actor for Plagueis here sounds just like the narrator from the audiobook of the Plagueis novel.
@@farid1406 Yep, sounds just like Daniel Davis
Plagus once said an apprentice does not need to be stronger, merely more clever and that's exactly what sidious did he was clever and he killed his master
But that's not what he meant.
The core of the rule of two is the apprentice beating the master in a fair fight. The sith destroyed each other for centuries until Darth bane introduced it.
Bane wanted to find a new apprentice as he noticed Zannah wasnt going to fight him until he's so old it's not a challenge anymore. He thought she was weak.
If the apprentice just betrays the master and takes over power, the rule of two is destroyed as its shown in the movies. Sidious didn't want his apprentices to destroy him. He wanted to replace them with someone better every time.
If Sidious would have followed the rule of two, he would have seen vaders betrayal. In the end it was Sidious fault the sith failed. If plagueis would have been emperor im sure the empire would have lasted longer
Yes the incredible dynamic between Bane and Zannah. Its not that Zannah loved Bane, sith dont love. But she saw Bane as her father being a frightened child all alone on Ruusan. She was content with her role. It was Bane forcing her hand. @Zerberster213
@Zerberster213 , nope, Plagueis meant that because Plagueis also destroyed Tenebrous by betraying him, it was not in a fair fight.
Plagueis didn't care about the Rule of Two either. Plagueis was obsessed with immortality cause he wanted to rule forever, which goes against the Rule of Two @Zerberster213
@@Zerberster213no such thing as fair fight. Treachery is Sith 101. Plagueis himself killed his master when he was distracted saving them from a mining explosion.
Plagueis is very wise. You can learn a lot from someone like this
Even though Plagueis is my boy, I appreciate that Sidious doesn’t back down.
Sidious is a narcissist who thinks he is always right and never wrong. And as Luke once said "Your over confidence is your weakness"
@@DeMarcusFountain-sv6fiYour faith in your friends is yours
@@DeMarcusFountain-sv6fihe is a narcissistic fascist and a threat to democracy
Whoever is writing the scripts is way to good, "an angry boy teetering on the edge of madness" damn he was cutting deep.
I just hope it is not AI
@@metinabay6884 Obviously it is.
@ Damn it! Can't we come up with cool stuff anymore?
@ I meant the voices. I'm pretty sure the guy writes his own scripts or at least pays someone to.
“The Dark Side does not forgive.”
I love this. For those who don’t know, Sidious basically designed the empire so that it couldn’t function without him. Everything ran through him. Plagueis is basically warning him about that here, that it’s only a matter of time before it will collapse. I love him chastising sidious about anakin too. Some sith hated fallen jedi, they didn’t deem them true Sith Lords. They thought only those that were sith from the beginning were true sith.
Your exactly right and the he whole sidiius designed the empire to work for him was a lot of how that mustache man from 1933 built his. Star Wars was created on real life events etc
@@jummyranmustache man had plans for his successor, not Goring as he failed to fully grasp the true purpose of National socialism true nature.
No, the Austrian Painter did not operate or think like that. He wished for the German people and its third Imperial iteration to go on for a long time after his death.
@ he had to be involved in everything is what I meant just like palps. He would of won more battles had he listened to others especially his generals
I think it is very possible that the Empire would have survived, and even thrived, if Luke joined forces with Darth Vader. There is no doubt that Vader would have been able to seamlessly take command. Plus, unlike Sidious, Vader's instincts were right about a lot of things, including need for the Death Star. Luke could have functioned as the "Good Cop" to Vacer's Bad Cop. The only fly-in-the-ointment would have been Leia.
I just discovered this channel. Holy guacamole this is absolutely amazingly written. I’ve been having a blast going through all the videos. Thank you for this. THIS is real Star Wars. This is what it was supposed to be. Keep up the amazing work.
Plagueis: *Calling Sidious a deceitful manipulative coward snake in every possible way *
Sidious: I missed you too, master
This is transcendent.
This is everything I want if we ever see these two in a conversation. It’s amazing.
“I crafted you to be more…more than a schemer, more than a coward. Yet you reduced our legacy to manipulation and deceit.”
My goodness, this dialogue is sheer poetry!!! This guy knows these characters like old friends. Who can it be?!?!? For one thing, it is certainly not someone that works for Disney.
Lmfao. The fact you think fucking Plageuis would unironically whine that Sidious was a good schemer and manipulater, or even worse, that it's an accurate representation of his character, is geniunely astonishing. God I hate the SW fanbase.
Superb dialogue! The voices and the characteristic are true to the darth Plageuis book and add such a richness to the established lore. Brilliant .
A few seconds in and I got chills
He should have told him "The dark side itself whispered to me that it was my opportunity to destroy you"
This tales of Star wars is INSANELY amazing. Please keep it coming!!!
I love it so much that Plagueis sounds like Daniel Davis. Such an indescribable joy!
I second that. I enjoy listening to that Audio Book read by Daniel Davis.
It's considered Legends, but I would still recommend the DARTH PLAGUEIS book. Especially the audio book.
Legends are canon too bad
Good book
@@chadbrad8100 still better than the current canon under Kennedy and Filoni.
One of the best audiobook readings I have ever heard.
Hell yes, the audio book is the best SW novel I've ever listened to. The narrator does a fantastic job.
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This is why I love about Darth Plagueis, as he is a sith, but a lot more wiser and honest than half of the Sith, to the point that he points out to Palpatine that Anakin is far too dangerous and powerful to be used by the Sith and also pointing out his mistakes and flaws in running the first Galactic Empire, which in the end he was right and also what a coward he is as well. I have read Darth Plagueis and I got to say I enjoyed it as it shows the last of the Sith line started by Darth Bane and Darth Zannah and giving Plagueis a major role and also showing how evil Palpatine really was and that he is the devil of Star Wars itself as he was the one who succeeded where many Sith failed in doing or close in doing it but failed and that was destroying the Old Jedi Order and the Old Republic that stood for thousands of years which is saying something and brought changes to the galaxy over hundreds of years in a century.
Oh look, The Acolyte as it should have been. But we're not allowed to have nice things.
Palpatine killing Plagueis was the biggest failure he ever made Plagueis was on the verge of discovering true immortality not crappy essence transfer Palpatine should have waited a few more years and let Plagueis teach him that trick thats the main goal of the sith but sidious was too impatient and that knowledge died with Plagueis Palpatine never figured it out and had to keep jumping into new bodies this with failure to train a decent apprentice meant the sith were always doomed to fail on his watch.
I’m not sure he would’ve discovered it. I think that George Lucas wanted it so that the dark side didn’t offer it. That’s the whole irony of all of it. The dark side can grant a sith unimaginable power, but they’ll never be able to find immortality, only the light side offers it. As sidious said, he could save others, but not himself
I agree with you. But interpunctation.. try to use it 😂
Not really, Plagueis already worked with Tenebrous about that, and many years later he also worked with Sidious still Plagueis couldn't ressurect himself, although he could resurrect others but we see this a similar ability to Force heal.
Plagueis discovered it and taught it to Palpatine. It's literally outright stated in the same damn novel in the last chapter as Palpatine was torturing him.
@edwardhyde7512 You are not very smart.
"You chose the cowards path to defeat me, and now you clutch to skywalker like a crutch"
That's rich coming from plagueis of all people, considering he is guilty of both those things in the plagueis novel. Instead of challenging his master to a duel, he used deception to undercut him and he was naive enough to fully trust sidious, thinking he was willing to go along with his plan for them both to control the galaxy, only for sidious to betray him so he can keep all the power to himself. Remember what sidious said? "There is no way, but my way." Such is the way of the sith.
Tenebrous was at least awake. Plagueis was half drunk and not really awake.
I just discovered your channel literally 10 minutes ago and am already more immersed than at any point watching the sequel trilogy. Fantastic work!
Plaguies would've been a much better emperor. At least in terms of running the galaxy
Baseless to claim that, Palpatine is a better and more skilled politician, he barely tricked Jedi and Senators. I doubt Plaguies could do the same, he would be discovered earlier and fail.
@@timurjack8773 Wasn't the fall of Jedi design of Plagueis and Sidious?
Palpatine was highly skilled at gaining power. However, when it came to actually ruling he was comically terrible. For a thousand years the Sith plotted their rise and for what? An empire that at it's strongest was barely held together and ultimately fell within 20 years
Had Sidious been half as skilled a ruler as he was a schemer the empire might have at least lasted a generation.
@@HisShadow12It's clear. Sidious didnt actually care about ruling or the Empire. It was a means to an end, he used the Empires resources to collect ancient relics and texts, destroy old temples after collecting everything within and master his powers.
He gave high ranking positions to the ones who.sucked up the most and didnt offer any true insight intk battles/polotics of the Empire. Sidious was as he always has been, an ambitious power hungry oerfectionist who uses everything/everyone to achieve it.
Damask wanted to be the shadow emperor to whom the official emperor answers to. The true power behind the throne. But Palpatine felt that was unnecessary. Ultimate direct rule and power - that was Palpatine's vision. No more games with the senate or any other power-faction, once the Death Star is in place, and the Alliance destroyed.
2:35 🥶 That's COLD, Plagueis.
This looks amazing. It's both terrifying and awesome💯
Absolute perfection! When I first scrolled through the videos, I saw one of these and skipped right over it without a second thought. I am glad I decided to give this one a go! This should have been canon. This video is quite captivating, amd I could have watched the conversation/debate carry on much longer. Excellent work! 🖤
@1:02 Pot meet kettle there Hego. I'm sure Darth Tenebrous might have a thing or two to say about having a cowardly apprentice.
Exactly what I was thinking. A little, shall we call it, opportunistic conniving murder in the caves atop a plasma mining shaft. Or something like that.
Plagueis did not have a nose. Did you forget that he was a Muun? Perfectly and truly canon.
If you can ignore the nose 👃 or pretend it’s not there it looks better or like a Muun!
Honestly dude minor errors like that don’t matter when this dude is creating masterpiece videos
Go watch your Disney star wars then, soy 👦
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Yea this video is very well done, but honestly I was looking for someone to point out this doesn't look like Plageuis 😂 Sounds like him, though.
What makes this an excellent case study is in how Plagus sees the faults sidious either fails to see, denies, or thinks himself beyond reproach and reach of all concequences, never seeing that now that he is in the center of everything, he must then struggle not to be burried under the very empire he has formed and it was always precarious and fragile. The weight of it all, the resistance of the force, the people and the very system of incompitence of his underlings will crumble the foundations and he will fall. If one seeks unlimited power, one must understand their own limits or be destroyed by the very thing they covet.
yeah but Plaugeis is very very out of character in this vid.. in reality Sidious just continued what Plaugeis started to the letter
If they had stayed together they would have been truly unstoppable.
@marco002 , I agree, also Plagueis can't complain about Sidious betraying him when Plagueis also betrayed Tenebrous same way.
@@timurjack8773 yepp, that is literally the way of the Sith.. and it was the idea of Plaugeis to live forever and don't continue the way of the sith, so yeah, Sidious just followed his vision
@@marco002You missed the point of what he was saying, he’s not out of character at all.
"Spoken like a snake"
Man, some of these lines hit hard.
“I trained you to be more, more than a schemer..” That to me is essentially the true great tragedy of Plageuis the wise, not that he dies, but that Sidious kills him. He dies before teaching Sidious the secret to midichlorians, and ultimately wanted Sidious to be more than just another Sith.
I sense a theme whenever you have Palpatine talking to other Sith they scold him but are in their own way trying to alert him to the Empire’s eventual fall
Yet prideful as ever the Emperor all fires back justifications and does not listen to the advise of his elders
Like Luke said to him on the Death Star his overconfidence is his weakness and eventually it became his doom
“He is a flame burning too brightly”
no better way to describe Anakin.
Anakin was just imitating his favorite Fantastic Four character, The Human Torch.
@ I see what you did there 😂
Dude, Plagueis ROASTS Palpatine!
"You clutch to Anakin skywalker like a crutch hoping he'd be the weapon you never could be."
He basically just called Palpatine a little bitch
Who cares? Plaguies is dead, Palpatine was alive and realising his purposes.
I love this, reminds me of the star wars the old republic dialogue
I like that Daniel Davis’ voice for Plagueis from the audiobook was used. He did such a great job.
This the Star Wars prequel stories we need. These are great.
I would pay $100 for a Star Wars movie ticket if dialogue like this appears in it.
Amazing. A genuine piece of Star Wars here.
These are amazing and contains everything the modern era of Star Wars lacks. Well done!
I love this idea that Darth Sideous influence had misunderstood the philosophy of the Sith and took their beliefs of fear and power and immortality and diluted them for himself.
I've never been a fan of AI voices (or pretty much AI "anything") but Palpatine sounds very convincing and Plagueis' voice sounds fitting enough although when I read his lines, I always imagine James Hong's voice.
Damn I love this Plagueis content. Nailing it.
Damn in a minute and twelve seconds Plaguies completely sums up the flaw in Sidious’ plan
The dialogue in these videos feels more authentic with each release. I love how Plaguis sounds just like his book adaptation. That's the quintessential voice of Plaguis as far as I'm concerned.
I heard about Darth plagues so much but never know what kind of sith he is
Great video
Sorry for the bad English. I’m Vietnamese
In short, he was fixated on cheating death. To the point of also being responsible for the Rules of the Sith starting to fade.
It was his intention that Palpatine would be the face of the empire and the new order and he would continue to exist, do what he wanted in pursuit of mastering death.
As fun as this video is, it fails to actually represent Plagues. He was the one that set Palpatine up to enter the Senate. Half if not more of the whole scheme against the Jedi was his idea. He was the one that orchestrated the plot with Naboo to instigate a state of emergency to force an election and get Palpatine in office. Plagues does not die until a day or so after Palpatine is elected. Then Palpatine kills him in his sleep. Near about the end of The Phantom Menace. Plagues is not often credited for how much work he put into the master plan. Much of it was also backed by his own direct funding to allow the Trade Federation to begin mass militarization.
The fault with Plagues is that he trusted Palpatine TOO much. Literally. If I recall right, is hardly held anything back from him. He served up everything he had on a silver platter and basically held a sign up saying "kill me at your next best chance". And Palpatine took it.
Again, if I recall right, Plagues was of the impression that after their coup and the fall of the republic, the Rule of Two would end. This is also why there was a more frequent attempt to obtain more acolytes and apprentices.
The Darth Plagueis novel is a must read!
No need to apologize my friend
The Dark side never forgive, what a powerful line !
Keep it coming..this is excellent!
This was soooo good!! Almost like two old evil philosophers debating.
We need to see a Darth Plagueis TV backstory! All you need to do is just deage Ian McDiarmid.
I disagree. Revealing his backstory would diminish his mystique. Some things should be left unknown.
@@leonrobinson8180 To each their own
These tales are amazing and this one was the best one yet! Exceptionally done!
You deserve a sub and many more. The Sith intellect is spot on.
Incredible. Truly Incredible. Thank you for making this.
Honestly, am I the only one seeing some "father/son" relationship in their dialogue? Like some sort of bond? 8/
Mad props for that writing.
I'd love to see Dooku, Jorus C'Baoth, and a younger Baylon Skoll discuss the then-current state of the Jedi.
In my head, it’s secretly George Lucas making these
He doesn't consider the expanded universe his.
Whoever makes these keep making them. 👏
This Plagueis is so cool and well spoken that I'd love to sit down and drink Jawa juice with him.
I've been saying to make Palpatine vs Emperor of Mankind & see how their dialogue goes. But I wonder if Plagueis could be friends with the emperor
If we ever seen Plagueis again in live action, Daniel Davis has to voice his character!
Jesus these videos are just so damn good. Plagueis here is so savage.
I feel like Sideous could have thrown out "you were weak, and I destroyed you..." Just like Anakin did. And "I Am The Sith..." As a rebuttal to all Plageous' claims of the sith traditions.
I really enjoy watching these mini episodes. It is great to see how the true Sith chastise Sidious for being a coward and rebuking him. The Sith were supposed to be victorious through strength, not manipulation.
I'm no expert but I believe that an apprentice always challenged their master in combat to prove that they are stronger than them in the darkside. Palpatine was just a little bitch.
Plagueis sounds too much like Kelsey Grammer to be a coincidence
dialogue is fantastic in this one bro, straight bars 😭🔥
This is absolutely great. Please keep on producing them, even if only with the sound.
Darth Plaguis the wise says some deep things like Don't create a weapon that you can't control. And Darth Vader being the embodiment of the Jedi that Sidious failed to destroy.
Plagueis wasn't that noble either.. In 67 BBY, Tenebrous and his apprentice, Plagueis, traveled to the planet Bal'demnic to investigate a lode of cortosis ore. However, their M-2 mining probe droid had been sabotaged by Subtext Mining, and ignited a pocket of lethane gas, causing a massive explosion. Though Tenebrous managed to contain the explosion, Plagueis saw the opportunity to get rid of his master by dropping the ceiling to his head
Awesome hearing Plagueis lambast Sidious, especially on how Sidious is only out for himself. 😉
Plagueis must have been laughing when Palpatine died twice. Each time louder than the last
Dude was a great man
"Cowardice is a term used by the defeated..."
OW. Damn Palpy I thought Anakin was the one with burn wounds!
This 4 minutes were better than the sequel trilogy and some live action series.
Plagueis was pretty much right in this debate. Skywalker ended up dethroning Palpatine, because Skywalker wasn't truly Sith, he was just a very souped up Dark Jedi who was lied to. If we account for all of the pieces of media leading up to ROTJ, about the times Vader has had second thoughts on Palpatine and the Sith and his purpose of living, it's clearly evident.
And Plagueis was in the middle of trying to meddle with science and the dark arts to achieve immortality. Something Palpatine had cut short and hadn't known how much that would cost him, until he was finding himself hopping clone bodies and eventually his spirit being extinguished.
Darth Plagueis “The Wise” would have been a great Jedi.
loving these reality checks sith spirits keep handing out
Better dialogue than the whole sequel trilogy
and prequels
Props to using the audiobook Plagueis voice to mimic 🔥
Brilliant writing, makes me want too read the novel all pver again.
This is the StarWars true fans want
I have never been a big fan of Star Wars but WOW AND THE DIALOGUE ( a very sophisticated one) BETWEEN THE TWO AWESOME!!!
Wow, heavy and deep conversation
1:02 Plagueis has some nerve to chastise Sidious for defeating him through trickery when Plagueis did the same thing to his master.
Awesome. Would love to see Revan and Nihilus and some other Sith too 🙏
I wanted Star Wars to die. I needed it to die after Disney. But this? Palpatine even resembles his og Empire Strikes Back hologram. I haven’t cared about Star Wars for years, because I felt betrayed by Disney. But this, this feels like real Star Wars again.
Disney "Star Wars" is not true Star Wars. It is simply another cash cow, consisting of nothing more than references and empty spectacle. Led by activists and shareholders.
But we, the Lucas loyalists, remember the TRUE Star Wars. The philosophy. The epic conflict between good and evil. The rich lore. We remember, we preserve and we create.
It does.
Leave.
You've just out Star Warsed Disney and it only took 4 minutes! Absolutely phenomenonal work!
1:35 Scary and terror of Star Wars
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise….
This is some of the most amazing and enriching star wars dilologue i have ever heard
I agree with Palpatine in this scenario. Literally every Sith Lord since Darth Bane has either killed their master and taken their place, or died in the attempt.
Do you know of the Rule of Two? It was meant to be a religious process of evolving through the dark side. Through death they gain strength, and that gives them power. Not betrayal like Palpatine to his own master and his apprentices, especially Vader. Bane understood this well when the power of the Sith was too diluted in the Sith Empire, and knew that dark side could be focused and evolved through a legacy of student and master. When the student kills the master, its a sense of trust from the master that their legacy will grow and be developed further in the dark side. A selfish act for the Sith, not merely for themselves. Palpatine violated this by instating the power of one by crippling vader and desiring immortality through the dark side, which cowardly and parasitic in nature. Even Emperor Valkarion would call him a poor excuse for a Sith, even if hes extemely poweful.