Byf, I think the mentality of each faction executor in the tower could reflect the history of their respective race. Let me explain, Dead Orbit (which I am a part of): Arach Jalaal is an awoken. We know from the Awoken Grimoire card, that the Awoken were supposedly born in the Collapse and supposedly descended from those who tried to escape the Collapse. They fled to the asteroid belt. You mentioned that the Dead Orbits mentality was that everybody needed to leave the City to survive. New Monarchy: Executor Hideo is Human. The human Grimoire card mentions that they are descended from those who made the Golden Age just to see it ripped away. Now they are fighting to reclaim all that they lost. Again, the mentality of the New Monarchy is that we need to fight to reclaim everything that the Darkness has taken from us. Future War Cult: Lakshmi- 2 is an exo. Exo's were built as war-machines, that's all I need to say to explain the mentality of the Future War Cult. They believe war is in everything and can be found everywhere.
I think it's so they can think, they had the warframes which would probably make up the bulk of a fighting force, one that would be largely expendable. The exos, I'd imagine would serve as a commander for such a group. Having a commander that could think would give the fighting group a great deal of flexibility in dealing with varying threats, where a group entirely made up of warframes would have to rely solely on pre-set algorithmic responses.
Here's my thing with the monarchy, not that anyone really asked but when I allied with it I believed that the monarchy will never find its King. That there will never be this true leader. Instead the idea of this grand King would be a driving factor for its members and supporters. Their values are good, but the king should merely be a myth, an image that people look to, not a real person.
Zavala is that pick, but that’s because he’s a damn good commander. And truly understands the people. He’s been leading since day 1, so it’s only right he’s the leader
@@cityguard4847 Zavala wants nothing to do with leadership. He's only focused on the war. He falters when it matters most, and is too pragmatic. He would decide to sacrifice others for his ideals, let people die if it saves the majority. He would be easily swayed in any way that saves as many as possible, no matter the price; even if that price is a portion of those be a trying to protect. That's not a person new monarchy is looking for. I don't doubt that the monarchy would place that responsibility of leadership on our shoulders. We are the ones who put it all on the line. We are the ones who do the impossible. We are the ones Zavala, Osiris, and even Saint-14 look up to and rely on. We are the ones who can weild both light and darkness and not be dominated or swayed by either. We are the only ones who have in any way eased tensions between some of the fallen houses and last city on earth. We are the ones who confound every enigmatic all knowing or all powerful beings, even the Nine. We're also the ones who would refuse to be a monarch once given that power. Instead, we would likely end up using our one and only act of authority to set up a system ruled by the people, abolishing the monarchy, and ushering in a second golden age. Then, we would promptly wind up returning to our duties and journey, and people would follow not by order, but voluntarily. I think that's exactly what New Monarchy wants. They want a person to follow that doesn't lead from the front, but rather in lockstep with every one else.
@@kaitoudark1 No offense but dead orbit are cowards and new monarchy is corrupt! If we were in the D1 universe FWC would have been PREPARED for the red war! I don't agree with their testing however I will ally myself with them to not be dead!
+Tucker Hensley Natalie I know that's why I'm so interested plus what we saw in the last DLC for the taking king the Empire might be coming or sending more people stronger more tactical
New Monarchy's "king tenant" specifies that the consensus be abolished BY VOTE OF THE CONSENSUS! Meaning through a democratic process, not a coup or something of the like. It also specifies the the monarch be of unimpeachable CHARACTER, meaning not that they are unimpeachable, but that they are of such qualities that no one would feel the need to impeach them. There is also no mention of a hereditary "royal lineage" so the monarchy would always be assured to have no reservations preventing a better leader from ruling. Not every monarchy is a dictatorship. There are many advantages to having centralized power, the government would be able to react and make decisions much faster. The Reef is a monarch.
I caught this also to describe someone as unimpeachable is to say that they are completely honest or innocent, to say their character is unimpeachable would be to say that they are beyond reproach, and not necessarily that they could not be removed from power
Abolishing a branch of government by democratic process doesn't necessarily mean it's good. See 1984 as an example of this, when the Congress of [Oceania] voted to abolish itself and give all legislative power to Big Brother.
@@alphasaith8349 I think you are misunderstanding. New Monarchy is basically saying that if there ever is a person who is so absolutely perfect to be the King of Humanity, they should be allowed to with 100% agreement disassemble their current government and put up a monarchy around this person. A.K.A. if there is ever a person at the same level as The Emperor of Manking a la Warhammer 40k, he should be put up as the leader of all Human kind.
you completely misunderstood the word "unimpeachable". that doesn't mean that the person in question cannot be removed from power. it means that they are of an upstanding and wise character that you won't find fault in them so you would not need to remove them from power.
@5:57 Dead orbit fleets will be taking on the Cabal, Dead orbit definitely know something[like the awoken] "dark" about the light and know something shining "light" on their survival within the darkness. I definitely think the dead orbit are one of the coolest factions out there, also loving deconstructionism/existential nihilist notions help me respect the gothic undertones of the clan.
I'm really enjoying these lore videos Byf! A lot of people kinda just read the grimoire but you add so much personality to these different characters and you're a lot more analytical with what the grimoire is saying. I look forward for more!
Wow. I got into Byf's content way late, like Forsaken late. I didn't realize he had a more simple looking cat logo rather than the noble-looking lion he has now.
Every now and then I am tempted to say to Lakshmi-2, Keelah Se'lai sometimes, because when I first heard Shohreh Aghdashloo's voice in Mass Effect 2 as Shala'Raan vas Tonbay, it just stuck in my mind.
That's not what "unimpeachable character" means re: New Monarchy. You have interpreted that section absolutely wrong, and almost opposite it's intention.
This is so freakin' good. Destiny has amazing lore and it's so easy to dive into the grimore and just get lost in it. That being said it would be nice to see a video on the Cabal Empire, though we don't really know a lot about them.
As a FWC High Member(i got the ship, the Exotic Bond, all shaders and emblems), i think FWC is the one who needs to rule, so through War(as violent as it sounds) we need to Survive, seing War in everything is not only blood and death, in rivalry, being competitive, seing a person as a possible enemy or ally, to make the hard choices that are needed to live, remember this is more like a Hunter, and we are the hunted, see the darkness as a tiger, and we as elephants, who need to fight in group and stand strong against the tiger, finishing him, surviving.
Just got to lv50 with New Monarchy and a brief period with Future War cult for NTE but picking a monarch or a dictator is the most efficient way to rule, only problem is that it might get in the hands of the wrong person which is why they're really careful on who they pick to unsure that doesn't happen.
Byf I appreciate how unbiased you are! I personally (As a member of dead orbit) Probably wouldn't be able to shine the other factions in a good light! And i hear other lore videos being biased as well! Thank you for your integrity :) I think thats why i havent made a video about the factions on my channel yet! I would represent dead orbit as the best choice and ultimatly ruin the video :(
+Praxic Fire well, i joined D.O. on the principles of FWC was a bit... crazy if you will, NM was a almost "god given rule" type ordeal, and that out of the 3 i think DO would be most useful if a sudden attack happened NM has followers, FWC has soldiers, But we got fleet on fleet of ships. But i really don't go for "mines Better" in this endless argument, like me being a warlock, i don't say any one class is the best, each have a flaw and pros for the Factions and classes, but good luck if you make a vid.
+Capr icorn You are absolutely right! And I like your logic! Mostly I joined because god forbid the city fall's we have an avenue of escape to help save the survivors and continue humanity's influence within the system :)
I respect all three factions equally. I know they all have their good intentions and I know the things that would drive some people away from their faction. I like that dead orbit doesn't sugar coat the possibility that the darkness will keep growing but their a little to disrespectful towards the vanguards and seem like there's no hope if they stay at the tower and eventually die. I like that new monarchy isn't as negative believing that there's hope at the tower they try to save what they stand for and not letting go of their home places so easily. But their last consensus sounds like to much dictatorship and with that power new monarchy could have complete control of the citizens who represent them besides that new monarchy sounds cool to me. Fwc is misunderstood in my opinion and should have the vanguards or someone try to understand why they believe in what they believe so they can better help the city.
NM has followers. FWC has soldiers. DO has fleets. Fleets on top of fleets. Fleets on fleets on top of fleets. You can't go anywhere in space without hearing about the fleet on fleet on top of fleets from DO.
The Final Lore Card for the Vex (Obtained in a Taken King Strike, I won't say which) does give a pretty solid tie to how the FWC got started, and where "The Device" came from. It makes the Faction and their obsession with the Vex all the more interesting.
Interesting to see the hallway around 3:30 and recognize it from the D2 beta (waiting for pc release). I'm catching up on Destiny lore and it impresses me.
It could be well put together from the No Time to Explain questline that the Exo Stranger was the Exo that entered the Device. She can be easily linked to the Cult (from No Time to Explain questline), and her Ghost is possibly referenced in the FWC Grimoire card at the end.
Dude! Great video! I do however feel like the chosen leader for New Monarchy isn't a dictator per se. But someone of "Unimpeachable character" Doesn't mean they can't be impeached, but rather someone you would have no reason to. but should the reason arise I'm sure the Guardians would step in.
I never played D1 because I'm not big on playing with other people and there was no campaign to solo. I have been playing the hell out of D2 and while it is necessary to play with others for some activities, for the most part the people I've actually talked to have been super positive and really cool to play with. Since I got into the game only right before Curse of Osiris came out there is a lot of the story I don't know about and these videos have been great to watch. It makes me appreciate the world building that Bungie is so good at. They did a hell of a job with Halo and Destiny, to me, is just as good.
Love the vid. Gives insight as to who these Orders are, and what they stand for, giving me a reason to actually join them. Due to the repeated Rule of Three (3 races, 3 classes, 3 subclasses, 3 factions), I'll probably make my Exo Warlock join New Monarchy, my Human Titan join Future War Cult, and my Awoken Hunter join Dead Orbit.
I know no-one will care, but I finally got my first Hawkmoon! after such a long time including getting 3 nlbs at the same time and 2 invectives rngesus blessed me with the Hawkmoon
The main problem is in heroic strikes and other high end pve content, it runs outta ammo too quickly. In PvP I'm sure its fine unless you unbroken every game
Dredgen Yor! You could talk about Jaren Ward too if you wanted but it'd be cool if you could also mention things like how great he was in the crucible and how he killed people like Pahanin and Thalor too, the little known stuff
i suggest reading the grimoire card: Ghost Fragment Vex 5. i think it details the origin of the future war cult. *spoiler* in short, it involves the logs of Maya Sundaresh who is partaking with others in experiments with a device that allows those who enter it to see the future. towards the end, he/she leaves the project as the group began worshipping the device as a god. he/she wonders if it'll become a tradition "the gospel of our little cult"
4:39 that flag, that should have been Dead Orbit's color scheme. At least anything but that baby puke green trim with copper they tried adding to the armor in the 3 season faction rally.
I hope we will have more faction based missions in destiny 2 ending up with the faction you chose for getting the lead leaving the city if you choose dead orbit, getting a unreplaceable King with new monarchy and preparing for war with the futurewarcult
I like the video! I am a huge lore nerd about destiny, but am really edgy/touchy on subjects. and here are some lore subjects that you might be able to go on. -Rasputin causing the collapse. -the vex picking us -maybe the house of scar things? just a couple of theories i would like to be debunked and just thought out a little more.
I'd like to see more about the classes, subclasses, and their various orders. I probably already missed that video, so my vote is for the Cabal since they're likely the focus of the next DLC.
I think the "Sovereign of Unimpeachable Character" statement with regards to the New Monarchy is meant as a description of the prospective sovereign - someone of "unimpeachable character" is somebody of such quality that their character would never be called into question - a person you'd never say was acting unethically. Not someone who could never be removed, per se, but trying to find the "good king," as it were.
I feel like perspective of the factions depends on where you're looking at them from. I feel like a lot of people look at them from the position of a guardian, and not one of the civilians that comprise the majority of the factions. Once you shift perspective to that someone who isn't essentially made immortal by the Traveler, I would argue that you would see it takes a lot more courage to decide that you should venture away from comforts of the City, the shields of the Traveler, and the security provided by the guardians, to try and establish a home elsewhere.
I'm fairly certain that the seventh tenant for new monarchy didn't mean an unimpeachable ruler, but rather a ruler with unimpeachable character- which would mean a ruler that would be such a good person that their actions wouldn't lead to them being impeached and overall bring prosperity to the city. Though it's all in the eyes of the reader I suppose
Okay I know that this may not be like the greatest idea but I think it would be very interesting to have a video on The Battle of Twilight Gap and show the assault on the city and show the roles Shaxx and Lord Saladin and their relationship with each other. And then maybe tie in some G-horn lore with that. Idk sounds cool
Interesting note is that Dr Maya Suresh seems to be the founding matriarch of the fwc and from some of cayde-6 entries i wouldn't be surprised if he is or have been a member. I love what Zavala says about new monarchy & kinds 😂. I wanna know more about the iron wolves.
Not sure if this has been brought up or not but I just came off of watching the Book of Sorrows videos and FWC's core tenants sound a lot like the Sword Logic. Makes fighting for them in the Crucible a little interesting.
Can I just say that with new monarchy it says that there will be a king if the consensus votes that there should which I am guessing the only time they will vote upon that is when all is almost lost
is the concordat that other faction opposite new monarchy on bannerfall? that would mean that bannerfall is supposed to be the final battle where the concordat was defeated. that also explains the name bannerfall. that's where a the concordat banner fell. I've also noticed that the green symbol for the concordat can be seen around tower west. near new monarchy...
Is it possible that Toland the Shattered was a FWC member as well? On one piece of the war cult armor, the lore description has a quote from someone mentioning the three queens.
This is so awesome byf but I would really like to learn about my favourite house.. The house of judgement .. Also I really want to learn more about brother Vance and Osiris because I have a feeling they could be potential big roll characters in the future ... Also the warmind .. Will Rasputin take form and control over every Exo again ? I'm loving the series so far good work
My name is Byf I think you kind of misinterpreted the seventh tenet of New Monarchy. When they say, "unimpeachable character," I read it as "a morally perfect leader". I may be wrong, though. Either way, though, the vagueness of that tenet could eventually prove a mistake. Even as a diehard NM supporter, I'm not gonna deny that. XD
+Andrew S you are correct about the 7th tenet. it speaks to the character of the leader not the state of the position. however a monarch by definition cannot be impeached or removed. I'm also a staunch supporter of new monarchy
Not going to lie. The only reason I pledged FWC was because Lakshmi-2 is voiced by the same lady that did Admiral Shala'Raan vas Tonbay from Mass Effect. I love that character, the Quarian race as a whole, and her voice.
I think each faction brings a social,political, and economical advantage dead orbit has a realist view of a situation a view outside of the mindset of a gaurdian, not having immorality and only having one life to live will make you a bit negative, and then there's the other two factions FWC being very straight forward of what they want and what they expect for the future these factions bring a balance but the problem is arriving to a middle ground which may only come about after a massive event forcing them to cooperate.
Of unimpeachable character means they would pick someone that they would have no reason to impeach. Whatever fits their bill, not that they cannot or they would give power to someone rotten. But who is rotten? Opinions may vary, batteries not included.
Dead Orbit since the beginning. But it took some time for me to actually understand their ideals and plan of action. Now that I know, I like them even more. As a Hunter, we explore the galaxy and learn what's out there, which goes every well in line with DO. And as a hunter, we are survivors, out in the wild and behind enemy lines, we have to. This is why I'm a Hunter main allied with Dead Orbit.
It's such a shame we don't really get to explore the factions in the game, would be so cool if there were quests for them that took us specifically to new locations just for our faction, not only that but to perhaps participate in wars against the other factions
the lore in destiny is expansive and great, too bad we need t look it up online. instead of orbit we should go direct from tower to locations and during loadout have these grimoire cards up, like battlefield 2 and other old ps2 games :P where facts appeared in the loadout menu.. a 'did you know', wihth coool concept art too. :D ps. dead orbit all the way, lets explore other galaxies :D
Considering Dead Orbit's main principle of mass exodus from the City, wouldn't a Titan (wall-builder and defender) in Dead Orbit be like a shark in a desert? or like a Titan Order disqualification?
I think there is a difference between unimpeachable character and unimpeachable power. I think that statement is more saying "a person who is just and right and selfless" rather than someone who has basically unlimited power and no way to remove or stifle it. There is also several new monarchy armor pieces that talk about the leader being someone on the same level as the people, not above. So I find it hard to believe that it means to give that leader unimpeachable power.
can you perhaps go into a bit on the relation ship of thorn and last word, if i remember one of the thorn pages was he's the last relative of dregdion (think i spelled it right) yor, that wizard that was a big deal, and its rather interesting how they actually relate. or maybe on saint 14?
Its not a new idea, but I love the idea of the traveler being evil. I like to think it allowed humanity "the golden age" to reproduce and inhabit loads of planets with long life periods and then on "the collapse" it revealed its true intentions which is why in caydes "the collapse" grimoire it says "it wants me to see this". After the collapse there are four factions (hive, fallen, cabal, and guardians). All are actually human with different abilities and its the travelers deception that makes them appear as monsters. We're all killing eachother to extinction for the travelers entertainment and when we're done it'll move on and repeat. Its an immortal godlike being with nothing better to do. The nine could be a different race that follow to watch the destruction and sell weapons to make it more interesting. Thats why the future warcult are also mysterious, an exo with some memory could lead the fwc and understands somewhat whats going on and realises its all about war. When humans enter a view into the future and understand whats going on they go insane. Theres loads of little links you could bring in. Im sures theres loads of flaws with the idea. But i think it'd be the darkest and coolest end if you were the last fireteam on the last raid and the traveler lifts the veil and it turns out the 6 of you just made humanity extinct.
By "unimpeachable character" I think the New Monarchy is saying they will put a person WITH an unimpeachable character, that's why the approached Zavala about the position, because he had an ever present and an unchangeable character
I go with Dead Orbit in game simply because I like their gear the best but when it comes to the beliefs/objectives of the factions Im 50/50 with both Dead Orbit and New Monarchy
Well. I guess that the Exo Stranger must be a member of the FWC. I mean the connections are there. FWC is obessed with war and has machines that can give you insight at different periods of time, The VoG team was obsessed with the vex and their time travelling and so is the Exo Stranger obsessed with the Vex in particular over anything else. Also the No Time to Explain is a gift we get from the FWC From all these three factions I think that the Dead Orbit is the closest to being right. Staying on that spot where we are now will lead to our doom. We need to expand ourselves and have more than one place that we could call home. Staying where we are is just lead the enemy to our last remains of a home. The next closest Faction is the Future War Cult. They prepare for a big war and I think that's pretty damn good to do so simply for the fact that on every inch of our solar system there are enemies just waiting to kill us. We need to be prepared for that and for every fight that comes before this supposed big war. then there's the new monarchy which I believe are the furthest away from being right. Having one ruler that stands above all and everyone will bring us closer to our doom than our enemies could bring us. We need several leaders that will lead all of us. not one, but two or three or more. be a democracy. not a monarchy.
My Name is Byf, any chance of a video about the Reef Wars? I think that'd be interesting, a lot of events happened that's kinda hard to keep up with by switching through grimoire cards.
Byf, I think the mentality of each faction executor in the tower could reflect the history of their respective race. Let me explain,
Dead Orbit (which I am a part of): Arach Jalaal is an awoken. We know from the Awoken Grimoire card, that the Awoken were supposedly born in the Collapse and supposedly descended from those who tried to escape the Collapse. They fled to the asteroid belt. You mentioned that the Dead Orbits mentality was that everybody needed to leave the City to survive.
New Monarchy: Executor Hideo is Human. The human Grimoire card mentions that they are descended from those who made the Golden Age just to see it ripped away. Now they are fighting to reclaim all that they lost. Again, the mentality of the New Monarchy is that we need to fight to reclaim everything that the Darkness has taken from us.
Future War Cult: Lakshmi- 2 is an exo. Exo's were built as war-machines, that's all I need to say to explain the mentality of the Future War Cult. They believe war is in everything and can be found everywhere.
+Jesse Duke Damn...
+Jesse Duke A really good catch man. I'd never thought of it that way.
Give this guy a cheer :)
That's a very good point
"There are circles within circles, what makes you think you deserve to know what's on the inside"
-Lackshimi-2
I think it's so they can think, they had the warframes which would probably make up the bulk of a fighting force, one that would be largely expendable. The exos, I'd imagine would serve as a commander for such a group. Having a commander that could think would give the fighting group a great deal of flexibility in dealing with varying threats, where a group entirely made up of warframes would have to rely solely on pre-set algorithmic responses.
Here's my thing with the monarchy, not that anyone really asked but when I allied with it I believed that the monarchy will never find its King. That there will never be this true leader. Instead the idea of this grand King would be a driving factor for its members and supporters. Their values are good, but the king should merely be a myth, an image that people look to, not a real person.
+Taos Briggs Cue 1984's Big Brother perhaps? ...but in a better way
Exactly. In a non-40k universe, this is how it should be. Well said, Taos.
Zavala is that pick, but that’s because he’s a damn good commander. And truly understands the people. He’s been leading since day 1, so it’s only right he’s the leader
@@cityguard4847 Zavala wants nothing to do with leadership. He's only focused on the war. He falters when it matters most, and is too pragmatic. He would decide to sacrifice others for his ideals, let people die if it saves the majority. He would be easily swayed in any way that saves as many as possible, no matter the price; even if that price is a portion of those be a trying to protect. That's not a person new monarchy is looking for. I don't doubt that the monarchy would place that responsibility of leadership on our shoulders.
We are the ones who put it all on the line. We are the ones who do the impossible. We are the ones Zavala, Osiris, and even Saint-14 look up to and rely on. We are the ones who can weild both light and darkness and not be dominated or swayed by either. We are the only ones who have in any way eased tensions between some of the fallen houses and last city on earth. We are the ones who confound every enigmatic all knowing or all powerful beings, even the Nine.
We're also the ones who would refuse to be a monarch once given that power. Instead, we would likely end up using our one and only act of authority to set up a system ruled by the people, abolishing the monarchy, and ushering in a second golden age. Then, we would promptly wind up returning to our duties and journey, and people would follow not by order, but voluntarily. I think that's exactly what New Monarchy wants. They want a person to follow that doesn't lead from the front, but rather in lockstep with every one else.
@@kaitoudark1 No offense but dead orbit are cowards and new monarchy is corrupt! If we were in the D1 universe FWC would have been PREPARED for the red war!
I don't agree with their testing however I will ally myself with them to not be dead!
I'm kinda interested in the Cabal & their empire
+Henry Coker Well sorry to say but there is such a small amount on them compared to the other races
+Tucker Hensley Natalie I know that's why I'm so interested plus what we saw in the last DLC for the taking king the Empire might be coming or sending more people stronger more tactical
CABAL IS LIFE
+Adam Camacho CABAL IS LOVE
Lol
New Monarchy's "king tenant" specifies that the consensus be abolished BY VOTE OF THE CONSENSUS! Meaning through a democratic process, not a coup or something of the like. It also specifies the the monarch be of unimpeachable CHARACTER, meaning not that they are unimpeachable, but that they are of such qualities that no one would feel the need to impeach them. There is also no mention of a hereditary "royal lineage" so the monarchy would always be assured to have no reservations preventing a better leader from ruling. Not every monarchy is a dictatorship. There are many advantages to having centralized power, the government would be able to react and make decisions much faster. The Reef is a monarch.
I caught this also to describe someone as unimpeachable is to say that they are completely honest or innocent, to say their character is unimpeachable would be to say that they are beyond reproach, and not necessarily that they could not be removed from power
Abolishing a branch of government by democratic process doesn't necessarily mean it's good. See 1984 as an example of this, when the Congress of [Oceania] voted to abolish itself and give all legislative power to Big Brother.
@@alphasaith8349 I think you are misunderstanding. New Monarchy is basically saying that if there ever is a person who is so absolutely perfect to be the King of Humanity, they should be allowed to with 100% agreement disassemble their current government and put up a monarchy around this person. A.K.A. if there is ever a person at the same level as The Emperor of Manking a la Warhammer 40k, he should be put up as the leader of all Human kind.
Unimpeachable character means that they are without flaw not that they cannot be impeached
It's also what a monarchy is. They want to instill a king, that's all.
Well, a king with high morals and empathy.
The only time I would agree to instill a monarch would be that they are the complete apex of our entire species mentally and physically.
I understand why Zavala turned down the invitation to become a ruler. I would rather be city's protector than it's leader.
you completely misunderstood the word "unimpeachable". that doesn't mean that the person in question cannot be removed from power. it means that they are of an upstanding and wise character that you won't find fault in them so you would not need to remove them from power.
The origins, beliefs, and life styles of the 3 classes. (Warlock, Hunter, Titan)
@5:57 Dead orbit fleets will be taking on the Cabal, Dead orbit definitely know something[like the awoken] "dark" about the light and know something shining "light" on their survival within the darkness.
I definitely think the dead orbit are one of the coolest factions out there, also loving deconstructionism/existential nihilist notions help me respect the gothic undertones of the clan.
Thus video made me sit on the toilet way too long. Anyway, great... Talking, Byf.
+Rune Ytterland lol :P
My name is Byf o.O omg
Rune Ytterland same
I'm really enjoying these lore videos Byf! A lot of people kinda just read the grimoire but you add so much personality to these different characters and you're a lot more analytical with what the grimoire is saying. I look forward for more!
Wow. I got into Byf's content way late, like Forsaken late. I didn't realize he had a more simple looking cat logo rather than the noble-looking lion he has now.
could listen to you all day about the lore of Destiny. You just seem to bring it to life, look forward to next lore video.
How about the lore behind the classes or subclasses?
Yeah that would be great.
I want that too, Byf you should definitely do that for your next lore video. And good job on his one!
+Daylon Orr Next one is going to be something rather special.
+My name is Byf The suspens
please please keep the extra lore series going, very much love it. Thanks byf
Bungie needs to give you a call. Your lore presentations are becoming more interesting than the game itself. Good work!
With Factions about to drop this week wanted to refresh my history. This was perfect! Thank you
Every now and then I am tempted to say to Lakshmi-2, Keelah Se'lai sometimes, because when I first heard Shohreh Aghdashloo's voice in Mass Effect 2 as Shala'Raan vas Tonbay, it just stuck in my mind.
That's not what "unimpeachable character" means re: New Monarchy. You have interpreted that section absolutely wrong, and almost opposite it's intention.
Yeah, I caught that as well.
This is so freakin' good. Destiny has amazing lore and it's so easy to dive into the grimore and just get lost in it.
That being said it would be nice to see a video on the Cabal Empire, though we don't really know a lot about them.
As a FWC High Member(i got the ship, the Exotic Bond, all shaders and emblems), i think FWC is the one who needs to rule, so through War(as violent as it sounds) we need to Survive, seing War in everything is not only blood and death, in rivalry, being competitive, seing a person as a possible enemy or ally, to make the hard choices that are needed to live, remember this is more like a Hunter, and we are the hunted, see the darkness as a tiger, and we as elephants, who need to fight in group and stand strong against the tiger, finishing him, surviving.
FWC FOR THE WIN!
+Zaking Gaming FUTURE WAR CULT, FUTURE WAR CULT, FUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >:D
FWC FTW FWC FTW FWC FTW FWC FTW!!!!!!!!
+Zaking Gaming new monarchy is cool too
Just got to lv50 with New Monarchy and a brief period with Future War cult for NTE but picking a monarch or a dictator is the most efficient way to rule, only problem is that it might get in the hands of the wrong person which is why they're really careful on who they pick to unsure that doesn't happen.
This was awesome, it was nice to hear all the details about the faction wars, and get a better look into the factions. (FWC for life!)
BYF I can't go very long without a video from you. your my favorite destiny guy. just wanted you to know.
Byf I appreciate how unbiased you are! I personally (As a member of dead orbit) Probably wouldn't be able to shine the other factions in a good light! And i hear other lore videos being biased as well! Thank you for your integrity :) I think thats why i havent made a video about the factions on my channel yet! I would represent dead orbit as the best choice and ultimatly ruin the video :(
+Praxic Fire well, i joined D.O. on the principles of FWC was a bit... crazy if you will, NM was a almost "god given rule" type ordeal, and that out of the 3 i think DO would be most useful if a sudden attack happened NM has followers, FWC has soldiers, But we got fleet on fleet of ships. But i really don't go for "mines Better" in this endless argument, like me being a warlock, i don't say any one class is the best, each have a flaw and pros for the Factions and classes, but good luck if you make a vid.
+Capr icorn You are absolutely right! And I like your logic! Mostly I joined because god forbid the city fall's we have an avenue of escape to help save the survivors and continue humanity's influence within the system :)
I respect all three factions equally. I know they all have their good intentions and I know the things that would drive some people away from their faction. I like that dead orbit doesn't sugar coat the possibility that the darkness will keep growing but their a little to disrespectful towards the vanguards and seem like there's no hope if they stay at the tower and eventually die. I like that new monarchy isn't as negative believing that there's hope at the tower they try to save what they stand for and not letting go of their home places so easily. But their last consensus sounds like to much dictatorship and with that power new monarchy could have complete control of the citizens who represent them besides that new monarchy sounds cool to me. Fwc is misunderstood in my opinion and should have the vanguards or someone try to understand why they believe in what they believe so they can better help the city.
Jonathan martinez WOW! Perfect summery! I agree completely!
+Jonathan martinez the road to hell is paved with good intentions ;)
NM has followers.
FWC has soldiers.
DO has fleets. Fleets on top of fleets. Fleets on fleets on top of fleets. You can't go anywhere in space without hearing about the fleet on fleet on top of fleets from DO.
Amazing video, Byf. This makes me love my faction even more. And the trailer at the end was great!
Great video, love seeing the lore presented in a concise and easily parsed way.
Would love to see an episode about The Nine- Xur's mysterious masters.
Loved the lore video and OMG for the last bit. I can hardly wait for this coming Monday!
I might just switch from New Monarchy because of this video. Solid points across the board. Very well done, as usual!
The Final Lore Card for the Vex (Obtained in a Taken King Strike, I won't say which) does give a pretty solid tie to how the FWC got started, and where "The Device" came from. It makes the Faction and their obsession with the Vex all the more interesting.
Interesting to see the hallway around 3:30 and recognize it from the D2 beta (waiting for pc release). I'm catching up on Destiny lore and it impresses me.
very much enjoying your newish lore productions Byf . Keep it going ... steady and consistent . Take it nice and slow . Love the content !
It could be well put together from the No Time to Explain questline that the Exo Stranger was the Exo that entered the Device. She can be easily linked to the Cult (from No Time to Explain questline), and her Ghost is possibly referenced in the FWC Grimoire card at the end.
Dude! Great video! I do however feel like the chosen leader for New Monarchy isn't a dictator per se. But someone of "Unimpeachable character" Doesn't mean they can't be impeached, but rather someone you would have no reason to. but should the reason arise I'm sure the Guardians would step in.
I never played D1 because I'm not big on playing with other people and there was no campaign to solo. I have been playing the hell out of D2 and while it is necessary to play with others for some activities, for the most part the people I've actually talked to have been super positive and really cool to play with. Since I got into the game only right before Curse of Osiris came out there is a lot of the story I don't know about and these videos have been great to watch. It makes me appreciate the world building that Bungie is so good at. They did a hell of a job with Halo and Destiny, to me, is just as good.
Dude I love your lore videos they're so in depth and awesome keep em' coming
Love the vid. Gives insight as to who these Orders are, and what they stand for, giving me a reason to actually join them. Due to the repeated Rule of Three (3 races, 3 classes, 3 subclasses, 3 factions), I'll probably make my Exo Warlock join New Monarchy, my Human Titan join Future War Cult, and my Awoken Hunter join Dead Orbit.
I know no-one will care, but I finally got my first Hawkmoon! after such a long time including getting 3 nlbs at the same time and 2 invectives rngesus blessed me with the Hawkmoon
To bad its getting nerfed so hard its gonna be horrible
Yeah... Sucks but what ever at least it looks good in my vault
+Anne Pennycook Not that bad. You'll still be able to two shot if the bullets proc.
Didn't Xur sell it like the 2nd week of ttk?
The main problem is in heroic strikes and other high end pve content, it runs outta ammo too quickly. In PvP I'm sure its fine unless you unbroken every game
Watching this just before the Destiny 2 faction event to ensure my correct decision!
Ollie Horne same
Ollie Horne yea same
I really do enjoy your synopsis of each individual faction this was a great video very well written thanks please keep it up
BYF really like the content, great job on these lore videos!
I love watching old speculation videos and seeing just how much we got right.
So the traveller is awake now...I wonder how DO feels about that.
Good question
Been waiting for this! Thanks Byf!
Dredgen Yor! You could talk about Jaren Ward too if you wanted but it'd be cool if you could also mention things like how great he was in the crucible and how he killed people like Pahanin and Thalor too, the little known stuff
i suggest reading the grimoire card: Ghost Fragment Vex 5. i think it details the origin of the future war cult.
*spoiler* in short, it involves the logs of Maya Sundaresh who is partaking with others in experiments with a device that allows those who enter it to see the future. towards the end, he/she leaves the project as the group began worshipping the device as a god. he/she wonders if it'll become a tradition "the gospel of our little cult"
personally i would like to learn more about the different classes and their subclasses and how they obtained those powers and such
That spawn at the end, great job Bungie. You're really promoting those spawn kills.
4:39 that flag, that should have been Dead Orbit's color scheme. At least anything but that baby puke green trim with copper they tried adding to the armor in the 3 season faction rally.
I hope we will have more faction based missions in destiny 2 ending up with the faction you chose for getting the lead leaving the city if you choose dead orbit, getting a unreplaceable King with new monarchy and preparing for war with the futurewarcult
I like the video! I am a huge lore nerd about destiny, but am really edgy/touchy on subjects. and here are some lore subjects that you might be able to go on.
-Rasputin causing the collapse.
-the vex picking us
-maybe the house of scar things?
just a couple of theories i would like to be debunked and just thought out a little more.
I'd like to see more about the classes, subclasses, and their various orders. I probably already missed that video, so my vote is for the Cabal since they're likely the focus of the next DLC.
awesome! like the fact that you are slowly leaning towards lore.
I like Dead Orbit just because of their shaders and emblems. In other words, style. I haven't made my decision based on the lore.
I think the "Sovereign of Unimpeachable Character" statement with regards to the New Monarchy is meant as a description of the prospective sovereign - someone of "unimpeachable character" is somebody of such quality that their character would never be called into question - a person you'd never say was acting unethically. Not someone who could never be removed, per se, but trying to find the "good king," as it were.
I feel like perspective of the factions depends on where you're looking at them from. I feel like a lot of people look at them from the position of a guardian, and not one of the civilians that comprise the majority of the factions. Once you shift perspective to that someone who isn't essentially made immortal by the Traveler, I would argue that you would see it takes a lot more courage to decide that you should venture away from comforts of the City, the shields of the Traveler, and the security provided by the guardians, to try and establish a home elsewhere.
great video, as always byf!
that bit about the FWC, is why my Warlock is a devout member.
"The Universe is in a constant state of conflict. Why fight the flow?"
great video,interesting to know more about the factions
Also, as far as the NM goes it says "Unimpeachable character" not saying that he is unimpeachable. It just means that his character is unquestionable.
I would love to see your ideas on the fate of Mara Sov and the possible future for the reef and awaken. great video. Keep it up!!!
*awoken.... Damn phone!
I'm fairly certain that the seventh tenant for new monarchy didn't mean an unimpeachable ruler, but rather a ruler with unimpeachable character- which would mean a ruler that would be such a good person that their actions wouldn't lead to them being impeached and overall bring prosperity to the city. Though it's all in the eyes of the reader I suppose
13:32 when Byf predicts the Red War two years beforehand
Okay I know that this may not be like the greatest idea but I think it would be very interesting to have a video on The Battle of Twilight Gap and show the assault on the city and show the roles Shaxx and Lord Saladin and their relationship with each other. And then maybe tie in some G-horn lore with that. Idk sounds cool
Interesting note is that Dr Maya Suresh seems to be the founding matriarch of the fwc and from some of cayde-6 entries i wouldn't be surprised if he is or have been a member. I love what Zavala says about new monarchy & kinds 😂. I wanna know more about the iron wolves.
Not sure if this has been brought up or not but I just came off of watching the Book of Sorrows videos and FWC's core tenants sound a lot like the Sword Logic. Makes fighting for them in the Crucible a little interesting.
Can I just say that with new monarchy it says that there will be a king if the consensus votes that there should which I am guessing the only time they will vote upon that is when all is almost lost
is the concordat that other faction opposite new monarchy on bannerfall? that would mean that bannerfall is supposed to be the final battle where the concordat was defeated. that also explains the name bannerfall. that's where a the concordat banner fell. I've also noticed that the green symbol for the concordat can be seen around tower west. near new monarchy...
Is it possible that Toland the Shattered was a FWC member as well? On one piece of the war cult armor, the lore description has a quote from someone mentioning the three queens.
This is so awesome byf but I would really like to learn about my favourite house.. The house of judgement ..
Also I really want to learn more about brother Vance and Osiris because I have a feeling they could be potential big roll characters in the future ...
Also the warmind .. Will Rasputin take form and control over every Exo again ?
I'm loving the series so far good work
Iron banner lore????
That wasn't meant to be rude. I love you videos and would like to hear more about iron banner
+Briggsyy55 chill dude :) you good :)
+Briggsyy55: agreed. would be awesome to know what happened to the Iron lords.
My name is Byf I think you kind of misinterpreted the seventh tenet of New Monarchy. When they say, "unimpeachable character," I read it as "a morally perfect leader". I may be wrong, though.
Either way, though, the vagueness of that tenet could eventually prove a mistake. Even as a diehard NM supporter, I'm not gonna deny that. XD
+Andrew S you are correct about the 7th tenet. it speaks to the character of the leader not the state of the position. however a monarch by definition cannot be impeached or removed. I'm also a staunch supporter of new monarchy
Not going to lie. The only reason I pledged FWC was because Lakshmi-2 is voiced by the same lady that did Admiral Shala'Raan vas Tonbay from Mass Effect. I love that character, the Quarian race as a whole, and her voice.
I think each faction brings a social,political, and economical advantage dead orbit has a realist view of a situation a view outside of the mindset of a gaurdian, not having immorality and only having one life to live will make you a bit negative, and then there's the other two factions FWC being very straight forward of what they want and what they expect for the future these factions bring a balance but the problem is arriving to a middle ground which may only come about after a massive event forcing them to cooperate.
Of unimpeachable character means they would pick someone that they would have no reason to impeach. Whatever fits their bill, not that they cannot or they would give power to someone rotten.
But who is rotten? Opinions may vary, batteries not included.
Dead Orbit since the beginning.
But it took some time for me to actually understand their ideals and plan of action. Now that I know, I like them even more.
As a Hunter, we explore the galaxy and learn what's out there, which goes every well in line with DO. And as a hunter, we are survivors, out in the wild and behind enemy lines, we have to.
This is why I'm a Hunter main allied with Dead Orbit.
It's such a shame we don't really get to explore the factions in the game, would be so cool if there were quests for them that took us specifically to new locations just for our faction, not only that but to perhaps participate in wars against the other factions
I would really like to learn about the Iron Lords and the battle of Twilight Gap.
the lore in destiny is expansive and great, too bad we need t look it up online. instead of orbit we should go direct from tower to locations and during loadout have these grimoire cards up, like battlefield 2 and other old ps2 games :P where facts appeared in the loadout menu.. a 'did you know', wihth coool concept art too. :D
ps. dead orbit all the way, lets explore other galaxies :D
Considering Dead Orbit's main principle of mass exodus from the City, wouldn't a Titan (wall-builder and defender) in Dead Orbit be like a shark in a desert? or like a Titan Order disqualification?
I think there is a difference between unimpeachable character and unimpeachable power. I think that statement is more saying "a person who is just and right and selfless" rather than someone who has basically unlimited power and no way to remove or stifle it. There is also several new monarchy armor pieces that talk about the leader being someone on the same level as the people, not above. So I find it hard to believe that it means to give that leader unimpeachable power.
can you perhaps go into a bit on the relation ship of thorn and last word, if i remember one of the thorn pages was he's the last relative of dregdion (think i spelled it right) yor, that wizard that was a big deal, and its rather interesting how they actually relate. or maybe on saint 14?
Its not a new idea, but I love the idea of the traveler being evil. I like to think it allowed humanity "the golden age" to reproduce and inhabit loads of planets with long life periods and then on "the collapse" it revealed its true intentions which is why in caydes "the collapse" grimoire it says "it wants me to see this". After the collapse there are four factions (hive, fallen, cabal, and guardians). All are actually human with different abilities and its the travelers deception that makes them appear as monsters. We're all killing eachother to extinction for the travelers entertainment and when we're done it'll move on and repeat. Its an immortal godlike being with nothing better to do. The nine could be a different race that follow to watch the destruction and sell weapons to make it more interesting. Thats why the future warcult are also mysterious, an exo with some memory could lead the fwc and understands somewhat whats going on and realises its all about war. When humans enter a view into the future and understand whats going on they go insane. Theres loads of little links you could bring in.
Im sures theres loads of flaws with the idea. But i think it'd be the darkest and coolest end if you were the last fireteam on the last raid and the traveler lifts the veil and it turns out the 6 of you just made humanity extinct.
The furthest you can go back into the fallen history would be an awesome ome video
Thank you for the lore vid!
Anyone else watching this right before faction rally in d2 to get caught up on faction lore?
Watching this in 2021 for the first time, and like....
😳😐☕
why couldn't all this awesome and extensive lore been included in destiny's story. It would've been amazing
Do The Nine, they would be awesome. P.S Long episodes are great ;)
I'm sure it's been mentioned in a previous comment, but does the FWC ascribe to a version of the Sword Logic? It sounds like they do.
By "unimpeachable character" I think the New Monarchy is saying they will put a person WITH an unimpeachable character, that's why the approached Zavala about the position, because he had an ever present and an unchangeable character
I go with Dead Orbit in game simply because I like their gear the best but when it comes to the beliefs/objectives of the factions Im 50/50 with both Dead Orbit and New Monarchy
Well. I guess that the Exo Stranger must be a member of the FWC. I mean the connections are there. FWC is obessed with war and has machines that can give you insight at different periods of time, The VoG team was obsessed with the vex and their time travelling and so is the Exo Stranger obsessed with the Vex in particular over anything else.
Also the No Time to Explain is a gift we get from the FWC
From all these three factions I think that the Dead Orbit is the closest to being right. Staying on that spot where we are now will lead to our doom. We need to expand ourselves and have more than one place that we could call home. Staying where we are is just lead the enemy to our last remains of a home.
The next closest Faction is the Future War Cult. They prepare for a big war and I think that's pretty damn good to do so simply for the fact that on every inch of our solar system there are enemies just waiting to kill us. We need to be prepared for that and for every fight that comes before this supposed big war.
then there's the new monarchy which I believe are the furthest away from being right. Having one ruler that stands above all and everyone will bring us closer to our doom than our enemies could bring us. We need several leaders that will lead all of us. not one, but two or three or more. be a democracy. not a monarchy.
My Name is Byf, any chance of a video about the Reef Wars? I think that'd be interesting, a lot of events happened that's kinda hard to keep up with by switching through grimoire cards.
Dead orbit for the shader and hung jury new monarchy for the Viking Titan gear and ship future war cult for the Titan hockey mask and great guns
I think the diction in Ghost Fragment: Vex 5 implies that the FWC started with the Ishtar Collective.
Do one on Osiris and the guardians that joined him and/or any guardians that "did their own thing"
Idea: Do the lore of Preadyth.
P.S I've done the story Paradox. But I really want to know more.
See ya on the next lore. :)
this video started like a shoodycast lore video
Shoddy cast FTW
OMG I thought he was about to ramble on about high elves or kahjiit
great video! stand with the new monarch
How about the lore behind the Fallen? Like, say, the different houses or even about Variks and his own House?