Destiny Lore - The Factions and the Faction Wars (Extra Lore)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ต.ค. 2024
- Destiny's Lore is vast and expansive in these extra episodes of lore I'll be looking into it. In this episode we'll be exploring the politics of the last city and the factions that make up that scene. We'll also touch on the faction wars and why they happened at the beginning of the Dark age.
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Byf, I think the mentality of each faction executor in the tower could reflect the history of their respective race. Let me explain,
Dead Orbit (which I am a part of): Arach Jalaal is an awoken. We know from the Awoken Grimoire card, that the Awoken were supposedly born in the Collapse and supposedly descended from those who tried to escape the Collapse. They fled to the asteroid belt. You mentioned that the Dead Orbits mentality was that everybody needed to leave the City to survive.
New Monarchy: Executor Hideo is Human. The human Grimoire card mentions that they are descended from those who made the Golden Age just to see it ripped away. Now they are fighting to reclaim all that they lost. Again, the mentality of the New Monarchy is that we need to fight to reclaim everything that the Darkness has taken from us.
Future War Cult: Lakshmi- 2 is an exo. Exo's were built as war-machines, that's all I need to say to explain the mentality of the Future War Cult. They believe war is in everything and can be found everywhere.
+Jesse Duke Damn...
+Jesse Duke A really good catch man. I'd never thought of it that way.
Give this guy a cheer :)
That's a very good point
"There are circles within circles, what makes you think you deserve to know what's on the inside"
-Lackshimi-2
I think it's so they can think, they had the warframes which would probably make up the bulk of a fighting force, one that would be largely expendable. The exos, I'd imagine would serve as a commander for such a group. Having a commander that could think would give the fighting group a great deal of flexibility in dealing with varying threats, where a group entirely made up of warframes would have to rely solely on pre-set algorithmic responses.
Here's my thing with the monarchy, not that anyone really asked but when I allied with it I believed that the monarchy will never find its King. That there will never be this true leader. Instead the idea of this grand King would be a driving factor for its members and supporters. Their values are good, but the king should merely be a myth, an image that people look to, not a real person.
+Taos Briggs Cue 1984's Big Brother perhaps? ...but in a better way
Exactly. In a non-40k universe, this is how it should be. Well said, Taos.
Zavala is that pick, but that’s because he’s a damn good commander. And truly understands the people. He’s been leading since day 1, so it’s only right he’s the leader
@@cityguard4847 Zavala wants nothing to do with leadership. He's only focused on the war. He falters when it matters most, and is too pragmatic. He would decide to sacrifice others for his ideals, let people die if it saves the majority. He would be easily swayed in any way that saves as many as possible, no matter the price; even if that price is a portion of those be a trying to protect. That's not a person new monarchy is looking for. I don't doubt that the monarchy would place that responsibility of leadership on our shoulders.
We are the ones who put it all on the line. We are the ones who do the impossible. We are the ones Zavala, Osiris, and even Saint-14 look up to and rely on. We are the ones who can weild both light and darkness and not be dominated or swayed by either. We are the only ones who have in any way eased tensions between some of the fallen houses and last city on earth. We are the ones who confound every enigmatic all knowing or all powerful beings, even the Nine.
We're also the ones who would refuse to be a monarch once given that power. Instead, we would likely end up using our one and only act of authority to set up a system ruled by the people, abolishing the monarchy, and ushering in a second golden age. Then, we would promptly wind up returning to our duties and journey, and people would follow not by order, but voluntarily. I think that's exactly what New Monarchy wants. They want a person to follow that doesn't lead from the front, but rather in lockstep with every one else.
@@kaitoudark1 No offense but dead orbit are cowards and new monarchy is corrupt! If we were in the D1 universe FWC would have been PREPARED for the red war!
I don't agree with their testing however I will ally myself with them to not be dead!
you completely misunderstood the word "unimpeachable". that doesn't mean that the person in question cannot be removed from power. it means that they are of an upstanding and wise character that you won't find fault in them so you would not need to remove them from power.
I understand why Zavala turned down the invitation to become a ruler. I would rather be city's protector than it's leader.
The origins, beliefs, and life styles of the 3 classes. (Warlock, Hunter, Titan)
I'm kinda interested in the Cabal & their empire
+Henry Coker Well sorry to say but there is such a small amount on them compared to the other races
+Tucker Hensley Natalie I know that's why I'm so interested plus what we saw in the last DLC for the taking king the Empire might be coming or sending more people stronger more tactical
CABAL IS LIFE
+Adam Camacho CABAL IS LOVE
Lol
Unimpeachable character means that they are without flaw not that they cannot be impeached
It's also what a monarchy is. They want to instill a king, that's all.
Well, a king with high morals and empathy.
The only time I would agree to instill a monarch would be that they are the complete apex of our entire species mentally and physically.
New Monarchy's "king tenant" specifies that the consensus be abolished BY VOTE OF THE CONSENSUS! Meaning through a democratic process, not a coup or something of the like. It also specifies the the monarch be of unimpeachable CHARACTER, meaning not that they are unimpeachable, but that they are of such qualities that no one would feel the need to impeach them. There is also no mention of a hereditary "royal lineage" so the monarchy would always be assured to have no reservations preventing a better leader from ruling. Not every monarchy is a dictatorship. There are many advantages to having centralized power, the government would be able to react and make decisions much faster. The Reef is a monarch.
I caught this also to describe someone as unimpeachable is to say that they are completely honest or innocent, to say their character is unimpeachable would be to say that they are beyond reproach, and not necessarily that they could not be removed from power
Abolishing a branch of government by democratic process doesn't necessarily mean it's good. See 1984 as an example of this, when the Congress of [Oceania] voted to abolish itself and give all legislative power to Big Brother.
@@alphasaith8349 I think you are misunderstanding. New Monarchy is basically saying that if there ever is a person who is so absolutely perfect to be the King of Humanity, they should be allowed to with 100% agreement disassemble their current government and put up a monarchy around this person. A.K.A. if there is ever a person at the same level as The Emperor of Manking a la Warhammer 40k, he should be put up as the leader of all Human kind.
Thus video made me sit on the toilet way too long. Anyway, great... Talking, Byf.
+Rune Ytterland lol :P
My name is Byf o.O omg
Rune Ytterland same
I think there is a difference between unimpeachable character and unimpeachable power. I think that statement is more saying "a person who is just and right and selfless" rather than someone who has basically unlimited power and no way to remove or stifle it. There is also several new monarchy armor pieces that talk about the leader being someone on the same level as the people, not above. So I find it hard to believe that it means to give that leader unimpeachable power.
+Zedekiah Fries Looking back on this there's a good chance you're correct. However abolishing a democracy sort of doesn't sit well with me. :P
+My name is Byf Yeah, I think that idea is a bit unsettling. But maybe it's more like having another person on the same power level as the speaker. Because the way that things like exotic warlock bond for new monarchy talks about it, I think it's more that they are looking for a leader that is knowledgable about the people's issues, not just the guardians. I don't know, I'm going to look into it more.
That's not what "unimpeachable character" means re: New Monarchy. You have interpreted that section absolutely wrong, and almost opposite it's intention.
Yeah, I caught that as well.
Byf I appreciate how unbiased you are! I personally (As a member of dead orbit) Probably wouldn't be able to shine the other factions in a good light! And i hear other lore videos being biased as well! Thank you for your integrity :) I think thats why i havent made a video about the factions on my channel yet! I would represent dead orbit as the best choice and ultimatly ruin the video :(
+Praxic Fire well, i joined D.O. on the principles of FWC was a bit... crazy if you will, NM was a almost "god given rule" type ordeal, and that out of the 3 i think DO would be most useful if a sudden attack happened NM has followers, FWC has soldiers, But we got fleet on fleet of ships. But i really don't go for "mines Better" in this endless argument, like me being a warlock, i don't say any one class is the best, each have a flaw and pros for the Factions and classes, but good luck if you make a vid.
+Capr icorn You are absolutely right! And I like your logic! Mostly I joined because god forbid the city fall's we have an avenue of escape to help save the survivors and continue humanity's influence within the system :)
I respect all three factions equally. I know they all have their good intentions and I know the things that would drive some people away from their faction. I like that dead orbit doesn't sugar coat the possibility that the darkness will keep growing but their a little to disrespectful towards the vanguards and seem like there's no hope if they stay at the tower and eventually die. I like that new monarchy isn't as negative believing that there's hope at the tower they try to save what they stand for and not letting go of their home places so easily. But their last consensus sounds like to much dictatorship and with that power new monarchy could have complete control of the citizens who represent them besides that new monarchy sounds cool to me. Fwc is misunderstood in my opinion and should have the vanguards or someone try to understand why they believe in what they believe so they can better help the city.
Jonathan martinez WOW! Perfect summery! I agree completely!
+Jonathan martinez the road to hell is paved with good intentions ;)
could listen to you all day about the lore of Destiny. You just seem to bring it to life, look forward to next lore video.
With Factions about to drop this week wanted to refresh my history. This was perfect! Thank you
I'm really enjoying these lore videos Byf! A lot of people kinda just read the grimoire but you add so much personality to these different characters and you're a lot more analytical with what the grimoire is saying. I look forward for more!
please please keep the extra lore series going, very much love it. Thanks byf
NM has followers.
FWC has soldiers.
DO has fleets. Fleets on top of fleets. Fleets on fleets on top of fleets. You can't go anywhere in space without hearing about the fleet on fleet on top of fleets from DO.
BYF I can't go very long without a video from you. your my favorite destiny guy. just wanted you to know.
Dude! Great video! I do however feel like the chosen leader for New Monarchy isn't a dictator per se. But someone of "Unimpeachable character" Doesn't mean they can't be impeached, but rather someone you would have no reason to. but should the reason arise I'm sure the Guardians would step in.
I might just switch from New Monarchy because of this video. Solid points across the board. Very well done, as usual!
@5:57 Dead orbit fleets will be taking on the Cabal, Dead orbit definitely know something[like the awoken] "dark" about the light and know something shining "light" on their survival within the darkness.
I definitely think the dead orbit are one of the coolest factions out there, also loving deconstructionism/existential nihilist notions help me respect the gothic undertones of the clan.
This was awesome, it was nice to hear all the details about the faction wars, and get a better look into the factions. (FWC for life!)
Bungie needs to give you a call. Your lore presentations are becoming more interesting than the game itself. Good work!
As a FWC High Member(i got the ship, the Exotic Bond, all shaders and emblems), i think FWC is the one who needs to rule, so through War(as violent as it sounds) we need to Survive, seing War in everything is not only blood and death, in rivalry, being competitive, seing a person as a possible enemy or ally, to make the hard choices that are needed to live, remember this is more like a Hunter, and we are the hunted, see the darkness as a tiger, and we as elephants, who need to fight in group and stand strong against the tiger, finishing him, surviving.
FWC FOR THE WIN!
+Zaking Gaming FUTURE WAR CULT, FUTURE WAR CULT, FUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >:D
FWC FTW FWC FTW FWC FTW FWC FTW!!!!!!!!
+Zaking Gaming new monarchy is cool too
Just got to lv50 with New Monarchy and a brief period with Future War cult for NTE but picking a monarch or a dictator is the most efficient way to rule, only problem is that it might get in the hands of the wrong person which is why they're really careful on who they pick to unsure that doesn't happen.
Great video, love seeing the lore presented in a concise and easily parsed way.
Would love to see an episode about The Nine- Xur's mysterious masters.
I love watching old speculation videos and seeing just how much we got right.
Loved the lore video and OMG for the last bit. I can hardly wait for this coming Monday!
How about the lore behind the classes or subclasses?
Yeah that would be great.
I want that too, Byf you should definitely do that for your next lore video. And good job on his one!
+Daylon Orr Next one is going to be something rather special.
+My name is Byf The suspens
This is so freakin' good. Destiny has amazing lore and it's so easy to dive into the grimore and just get lost in it.
That being said it would be nice to see a video on the Cabal Empire, though we don't really know a lot about them.
Amazing video, Byf. This makes me love my faction even more. And the trailer at the end was great!
I know no-one will care, but I finally got my first Hawkmoon! after such a long time including getting 3 nlbs at the same time and 2 invectives rngesus blessed me with the Hawkmoon
To bad its getting nerfed so hard its gonna be horrible
Yeah... Sucks but what ever at least it looks good in my vault
+Anne Pennycook Not that bad. You'll still be able to two shot if the bullets proc.
Didn't Xur sell it like the 2nd week of ttk?
The main problem is in heroic strikes and other high end pve content, it runs outta ammo too quickly. In PvP I'm sure its fine unless you unbroken every game
very much enjoying your newish lore productions Byf . Keep it going ... steady and consistent . Take it nice and slow . Love the content !
Dude I love your lore videos they're so in depth and awesome keep em' coming
Watching this just before the Destiny 2 faction event to ensure my correct decision!
Ollie Horne same
Ollie Horne yea same
Love the vid. Gives insight as to who these Orders are, and what they stand for, giving me a reason to actually join them. Due to the repeated Rule of Three (3 races, 3 classes, 3 subclasses, 3 factions), I'll probably make my Exo Warlock join New Monarchy, my Human Titan join Future War Cult, and my Awoken Hunter join Dead Orbit.
Wow. I got into Byf's content way late, like Forsaken late. I didn't realize he had a more simple looking cat logo rather than the noble-looking lion he has now.
Every now and then I am tempted to say to Lakshmi-2, Keelah Se'lai sometimes, because when I first heard Shohreh Aghdashloo's voice in Mass Effect 2 as Shala'Raan vas Tonbay, it just stuck in my mind.
Not having to do with the factions, but what if Guardian's abilities are only linked to our solar system. So if we are to leave that we lose the power of the light.
That's a nice idea because the guardians have a link with the Traveler, maybe the link grant us the abilities and it might have an effective range
+divius98 But we see that Eris morn an other have been cut off from the traveler, and even the player guardians have been cut off from the solar system. As when Oryx is initially slain, he moves the player into a realm that the only light there, is emanating from the player. I prefer to think of it as that each guardian is a light "generator" of sorts. Then it can grow without the aid of the traveler, and then we can take back our system and defend it, and when the traveler awakens.... oh shit! Maybe the traveler created the guardians so it could feed off of our light! After all, even Oryx and Crota can feed off of our light. What's to say that the traveler isn't part of the darkness, and it's defeat was only part of a rivalry, and it planted a seed of light to fight its enemies for it without the light see that it was serving the darkness, and the traveler will consume all of our light and become insanely strong once all of its enemies have been defeated for it! What an insidious idea...
I never played D1 because I'm not big on playing with other people and there was no campaign to solo. I have been playing the hell out of D2 and while it is necessary to play with others for some activities, for the most part the people I've actually talked to have been super positive and really cool to play with. Since I got into the game only right before Curse of Osiris came out there is a lot of the story I don't know about and these videos have been great to watch. It makes me appreciate the world building that Bungie is so good at. They did a hell of a job with Halo and Destiny, to me, is just as good.
BYF really like the content, great job on these lore videos!
I really do enjoy your synopsis of each individual faction this was a great video very well written thanks please keep it up
That spawn at the end, great job Bungie. You're really promoting those spawn kills.
The Final Lore Card for the Vex (Obtained in a Taken King Strike, I won't say which) does give a pretty solid tie to how the FWC got started, and where "The Device" came from. It makes the Faction and their obsession with the Vex all the more interesting.
Dredgen Yor! You could talk about Jaren Ward too if you wanted but it'd be cool if you could also mention things like how great he was in the crucible and how he killed people like Pahanin and Thalor too, the little known stuff
Been waiting for this! Thanks Byf!
I like the video! I am a huge lore nerd about destiny, but am really edgy/touchy on subjects. and here are some lore subjects that you might be able to go on.
-Rasputin causing the collapse.
-the vex picking us
-maybe the house of scar things?
just a couple of theories i would like to be debunked and just thought out a little more.
This is so awesome byf but I would really like to learn about my favourite house.. The house of judgement ..
Also I really want to learn more about brother Vance and Osiris because I have a feeling they could be potential big roll characters in the future ...
Also the warmind .. Will Rasputin take form and control over every Exo again ?
I'm loving the series so far good work
So the traveller is awake now...I wonder how DO feels about that.
Good question
I would love to see your ideas on the fate of Mara Sov and the possible future for the reef and awaken. great video. Keep it up!!!
*awoken.... Damn phone!
great video,interesting to know more about the factions
great video, as always byf!
awesome! like the fact that you are slowly leaning towards lore.
that bit about the FWC, is why my Warlock is a devout member.
"The Universe is in a constant state of conflict. Why fight the flow?"
Hey Byf, love the work, have you done any lore on who activated the first rasputin terminal?
It could be well put together from the No Time to Explain questline that the Exo Stranger was the Exo that entered the Device. She can be easily linked to the Cult (from No Time to Explain questline), and her Ghost is possibly referenced in the FWC Grimoire card at the end.
Interesting to see the hallway around 3:30 and recognize it from the D2 beta (waiting for pc release). I'm catching up on Destiny lore and it impresses me.
personally i would like to learn more about the different classes and their subclasses and how they obtained those powers and such
My Name is Byf, any chance of a video about the Reef Wars? I think that'd be interesting, a lot of events happened that's kinda hard to keep up with by switching through grimoire cards.
I like Dead Orbit just because of their shaders and emblems. In other words, style. I haven't made my decision based on the lore.
I'd like to see more about the classes, subclasses, and their various orders. I probably already missed that video, so my vote is for the Cabal since they're likely the focus of the next DLC.
I think the "Sovereign of Unimpeachable Character" statement with regards to the New Monarchy is meant as a description of the prospective sovereign - someone of "unimpeachable character" is somebody of such quality that their character would never be called into question - a person you'd never say was acting unethically. Not someone who could never be removed, per se, but trying to find the "good king," as it were.
Anyone else watching this right before faction rally in d2 to get caught up on faction lore?
The furthest you can go back into the fallen history would be an awesome ome video
Also, as far as the NM goes it says "Unimpeachable character" not saying that he is unimpeachable. It just means that his character is unquestionable.
Okay I know that this may not be like the greatest idea but I think it would be very interesting to have a video on The Battle of Twilight Gap and show the assault on the city and show the roles Shaxx and Lord Saladin and their relationship with each other. And then maybe tie in some G-horn lore with that. Idk sounds cool
i suggest reading the grimoire card: Ghost Fragment Vex 5. i think it details the origin of the future war cult.
*spoiler* in short, it involves the logs of Maya Sundaresh who is partaking with others in experiments with a device that allows those who enter it to see the future. towards the end, he/she leaves the project as the group began worshipping the device as a god. he/she wonders if it'll become a tradition "the gospel of our little cult"
Thank you for the lore vid!
Well done James! What about the Nine? And Xur?
this video started like a shoodycast lore video
I'm fairly certain that the seventh tenant for new monarchy didn't mean an unimpeachable ruler, but rather a ruler with unimpeachable character- which would mean a ruler that would be such a good person that their actions wouldn't lead to them being impeached and overall bring prosperity to the city. Though it's all in the eyes of the reader I suppose
13:32 when Byf predicts the Red War two years beforehand
I hope we will have more faction based missions in destiny 2 ending up with the faction you chose for getting the lead leaving the city if you choose dead orbit, getting a unreplaceable King with new monarchy and preparing for war with the futurewarcult
the lore in destiny is expansive and great, too bad we need t look it up online. instead of orbit we should go direct from tower to locations and during loadout have these grimoire cards up, like battlefield 2 and other old ps2 games :P where facts appeared in the loadout menu.. a 'did you know', wihth coool concept art too. :D
ps. dead orbit all the way, lets explore other galaxies :D
Can I just say that with new monarchy it says that there will be a king if the consensus votes that there should which I am guessing the only time they will vote upon that is when all is almost lost
I feel like perspective of the factions depends on where you're looking at them from. I feel like a lot of people look at them from the position of a guardian, and not one of the civilians that comprise the majority of the factions. Once you shift perspective to that someone who isn't essentially made immortal by the Traveler, I would argue that you would see it takes a lot more courage to decide that you should venture away from comforts of the City, the shields of the Traveler, and the security provided by the guardians, to try and establish a home elsewhere.
Do The Nine, they would be awesome. P.S Long episodes are great ;)
I would really like to learn about the Iron Lords and the battle of Twilight Gap.
why couldn't all this awesome and extensive lore been included in destiny's story. It would've been amazing
Interesting note is that Dr Maya Suresh seems to be the founding matriarch of the fwc and from some of cayde-6 entries i wouldn't be surprised if he is or have been a member. I love what Zavala says about new monarchy & kinds 😂. I wanna know more about the iron wolves.
Of unimpeachable character means they would pick someone that they would have no reason to impeach. Whatever fits their bill, not that they cannot or they would give power to someone rotten.
But who is rotten? Opinions may vary, batteries not included.
Dead Orbit since the beginning.
But it took some time for me to actually understand their ideals and plan of action. Now that I know, I like them even more.
As a Hunter, we explore the galaxy and learn what's out there, which goes every well in line with DO. And as a hunter, we are survivors, out in the wild and behind enemy lines, we have to.
This is why I'm a Hunter main allied with Dead Orbit.
Not sure if this has been brought up or not but I just came off of watching the Book of Sorrows videos and FWC's core tenants sound a lot like the Sword Logic. Makes fighting for them in the Crucible a little interesting.
Whoa! The New Monarchy's philosophy is pretty scary.
Not going to lie. The only reason I pledged FWC was because Lakshmi-2 is voiced by the same lady that did Admiral Shala'Raan vas Tonbay from Mass Effect. I love that character, the Quarian race as a whole, and her voice.
"Obey no will but that of the Light." - Third and Final Empyreal Magistrate Ouros
do some weapons or their manufacturers. maybe like a video on a couple different legendary and/or exotic weapons and armor
Considering Dead Orbit's main principle of mass exodus from the City, wouldn't a Titan (wall-builder and defender) in Dead Orbit be like a shark in a desert? or like a Titan Order disqualification?
Zavala is new monarchy's bae. That's why Hideo says the line (or something like) "Titan's are our favorite"
Hi Byf, interesting video.
I'd like to know more about the exos :)
the sir wallen video on the exo is fantastic
I just like the armory and color schematics of Dead Orbit.
Great vid more of these plz
Idea: Do the lore of Preadyth.
P.S I've done the story Paradox. But I really want to know more.
See ya on the next lore. :)
How about the lore behind the Fallen? Like, say, the different houses or even about Variks and his own House?
great video! stand with the new monarch
Don't forget Shaxx's Redjacks!
You know Byf I had wanted to go to bed, then I watched your videos....
Can u make a lore video on each class specifically the warlocks ?
It's such a shame we don't really get to explore the factions in the game, would be so cool if there were quests for them that took us specifically to new locations just for our faction, not only that but to perhaps participate in wars against the other factions
your theories on the cabal
I go with Dead Orbit in game simply because I like their gear the best but when it comes to the beliefs/objectives of the factions Im 50/50 with both Dead Orbit and New Monarchy