If Mojang forces us to PAY or HOST our own servers, then they need to keep their nose out of who plays on these servers. It needs to be left up to the server owner and the server owner only. No one should ever be banned from online play on Minecraft.
You already get banned by server admins anyway, so this addition is clearly Microsoft trying to force control over minecraft. It's ridiculous how they still push for full creative freedom in this sandbox game hut then immediately show that's not true.
Well it doesn’t really hurt anybody unless Minecraft is not going to look into the reports and automate bans, which i don’t think they will. I think It’s just a good feature to have and that people are overreacting.
This is the pinnacle of "don't fix what isn't broken". Private Minecraft servers have been self-moderated for years. There is absolutely no need for Microsoft to police servers that AREN'T theirs.
Microsoft and Mojang have never listened to that, they cut C418, the community and now seek to enforce dictatorship and create hatred for Democracy which even YT may not do.
I also like how when you get banned, it doesn't even automatically end your Realms subscription, so if you accidentally forget to cancel it, you're gonna keep paying for something you can't even use. That's a very Micro$oft move as well.
@@UlulvarCape It should go even further than that. If Micro$oft want to ban you from something you already paid for, then they should be legally required to refund you in full for any money you spent on purchasing the game, Realm subscriptions and so on.
@@bernlin2000 If Notch was still in control of Minecraft, it could honestly have made Minecraft into a completely different game then what we have now. He is severely disappointed with Microsoft and selling Mojang was a huge mistake.
Looks like my prediction regarding Microsoft account migration was SPOT ON. You now have to agree to Microsoft's terms, which are VASTLY DIFFERENT from the ones you originally accepted when you made your Mojang account. Most people turned a blind eye to it. Now here we are...
good thing mojang accounts still work at least on older versions (i havent migrated at all) migration has already "officially" ended but there is no announced date for when the old authn servers will be shut. hopefully it stays up, like how legacy mc accounts (pre-mojang account) are still able to log in
I hope the community throw a huge fit about this - Everyone is tired of internet censorship and taking it into our private minecraft servers is just one more step across the line
This doesn't need to exist. Multiplayer is run entirely by the community and big servers have been refining their systems for literally years. They don't need Microsoft to step in and provide a way for people who don't deserve power to have it over others via the report system. Admins, Moderators, and Helpers do their jobs already. The possibility of permanent or even temporary bans by the whims of other people is ludicrous. The people running their servers should be allowed to be the ones running their servers and not Microsoft.
Was staying away from public servers as I rather avoid griefers, trolls and aggressive players. Now I'll stay away from public servers for fear of being permabanned for accidentally saying something that might be inappropriate for Timmy's toxically overprotective parents.
I think we all need to immediately start working on mods and plug-ins that completely disable the reporting feature, server owners and administrators have had the ability to mute or ban people for breaking rules, it's not Mojang or Microsofts place unless its THEIR server being used. Edit: ive been informed the plugin was already made, I freakin love the mc community.
a year from now im just gonna see a fitmc video that’s about 2b2t dying due to chat report exploiters and think “this could have entirely been avoided”
The part that makes me sad it this will servers I had experience with... Barbercraft Hypixel, and countless others. The kind of severe limitations they are trying to enforce is downright atrocious and displays that they have lost touch with the Minecraft Java Community
Hacked clients having an auto-report system might actually have a good side. If there are so many false reports, then it becomes harder to find real ones and it becomes so much harder and time (and money) consuming, making it unsustainable. The only way to stop this may be with floods of false reports which is just a sad situation I think.
@@nurihan4764 Just what I wanted to say. This would the worst ending, Microsoft implementing algorithms or AI to auto moderate the reports, and i just hope it's not going to happen.
We just need to tf2 them, get a ton of bots and then just make them spam report eachother. Tf2 implemented something similar, and it got so bad they had to remove it. If these are truly manually reported, bots can report faster.
@@josephg1125 idk, gamers can be extremely dedicated and willing to spend money. Considering how hardcore the 2b2t community is I could see this happening
@@josephg1125 minecraft is the biggest game in the world by FAR, I still think report botting like this on a significant and effective scale is quite possible.
"We have to consider all threats to be serious and credible ones simply because the way the internet works these days." Well I guess me and my friends joking about being in each other's walls is going to be taken seriously, despite being physically impossible. As another commenter said, leave it to these community moderators to put the "Soft" in "Microsoft"
wisdom right here. also i got a virus from somebody on your discord server and will hold that against you forever even though you are entirely not at fault
Now that’s something wise. If Microsoft considers all threats to be serious then the game will really be bland. I hope they remove this system or at least make it less serious
Well, Minecraft is facing the roblox problem. Hypercensored chat. And nobody can speak. And it's filled with toxic little kids. RIP Minecraft, Hello RoMine "The joke is that Minecraft is becoming more like Roblox."
like, just let the admins, mods, and owners of individual servers deal with it their own way. Every server has their own rules for the people affiliated with the server to enforce, not some jerkoff "mod" from a higher team.
Minecraft is known for it's creativity, freedom, and server independence. With this report system added, every SINGLE one of those are now nearly irrelevant.
@@clementpoon120 EDIT: I had originally misread the comment I was replying to, so here's a better reply: According to the creator of the 'No Chat Report' mod, Forge is AGAINST any method of blocking out the chat report feature and does not want to support nor endorse said methods, so no, it's not going to be automatically implemented into the Forge loader. (Original reply: Mod loaders aren't officially affiliated by Microsoft/Mojang, so I doubt player interaction features (this includes chat reporting) will be bundled into mods.)
I really don't like how ever since Microsoft bought Mojang they were tightening their grip on the game and the community. Minecraft used to be a really open environment and even though it still is, it seems like with every update it gets less so.
Micro and Soft is well known for being one of the most incompetent players in the corpo play of "buying oneself out of obsolescence". Where corpos like AMD bought chip manufacturers because they needed the fast response of their purchase for their work and plused their and their purchase's profits, Incompetents like Micro and very Soft ruin everything they touch. They're the OS equivalent of EA. Nokia's mobile arm, a veritable gold mine of technology with R&D that rivaled the best of the best for years (stuff like battery tech that Samsung blatantly stole at the start, bendable phone, yes, bendable phones, fully functional, there's a demo at a conference you can look up here on YT and many, many other things) Halo (which is a radioactive pit now that's slowly dying of gangrene) and now MineCraft. The modding community has been pushing 'updates' on their own that far surpass anything Mojang has been able to push on their own under Micro and Soft. TLDR, incompetent micro is at it again.
I think there should be basically what should be called " Anarchy PLAY "... As it should be 100% exempt from pretty much reports, or straight up saying " You're willing to accept harassment, horrific image, we are not responsible for at all!... "
or a "kid-friendly" setting to censor chat messages and such... or both of these things so the default setting for a minecraft server is not 18+ but not aimed only towards kids...
@@paulinapeak then this demonstrates how out of touch Microsoft is. Huge public Servers with young adult and child demographics in mind tend to have link filters that scrub links from chat, or disable clickable hyperlinks. It is also up to the server owner to enforce these rules. I dislike Microsoft more by the day for this
When I heard about this, I Immediately knew it was gonna be bad. Leave this stuff up to server owners. I thought Microsoft wouldn’t touch this version. Looks like they are trying to tighten their grip around our community.
Although I've been a bedrock player for nearly 8 years now (because I'm not used to Java) I've never heard of chat reports though I don't play on servers that much but I feel bad for the Java players that they have to go through this now. And this makes me wanna avoid servers more
Yeah java is slowly getting absorbed into the minecraft Microsoft wants (bedrock). They just can't do it in one go because they know the community won't accept it.
@@randomyoutuber3826 chatting in bedrock edition is annoying enough. They count certain common words in my language as a bad word and censored it which is annoying af.
Are we falling into 2nd Minecraft dark age? First the 1.19 disappointment and then now possibly getting false banned. This is not making Minecraft safer,this is actually making it less safe to the average player and adding stress to fun experience’s.
Step 1: Force every player to migrate to a Microsoft account to continue playing the game they loved and played for years Step 2: Make players agree to a new terms and conditions, either agree or never play Minecraft ever again Step 3: Start implement these "features", players get mad Step 4: Just say "BUT YOU AGREED TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS!" Seriously, Microsoft needs to just back off and let Mojang handle the game before they destroy what the game had built for itself.
Well under EU GDPR at least that's not valid. You can't force people to agree to sharing their data by saying they can't use your service otherwise. In this case the terms of service have no legal weight, and in fact by collecting your data, I believe they are breaking the law. The problem is that EU courts seem incapable of actually enforcing these rules.
@@Seaweeduu agreed. Microsoft is destroying Minecraft servers’ (and players’) freedoms. The audacity in this “regulation” and manipulation is not visibly finite. This is why I don’t play on the new versions.
@kite man Their terms, that seemed like they were made to wreck the game into its formerly avoidable downfall. I don’t know which of the people on this planet decided that this was not breaking the law. I think it was. They were basically saying “agree to our terms that nobody’s gonna read or never play the game that YOU paid for, again”.
If they ever continue this path, I'm guessing Cracked Minecraft and Cracked Servers are going to increase in popularity, due to how bad it truly is and how bad it can be. Imagine you, not being able to join your OWN server.
Are cracked clients still a thing? I remember back when I was a kid, my friends and I would use cracked clients and use logmein hamachi with online-mode=false. Only downside is that you would need to get some sort of login plugin for public servers, which would be annoying af. Even worse, is that now harassers can just change their username and ip and rejoin that way.
@@adrycough iirc online-mode=false is still a thing in official server you get, and as back then it removes skins form paying players... that you can fix again with a mod or a plugin.
@@adrycough yes, and private servers run just fine. We even have troubles with people who use official client, so they has to switch. I'm from Russia so for many children and people now it's the only way to play Minecraft.
@@adrycough yep, SK launcher is the only one i trust atm, but they are pretty "volatile" from update to update But atm anything is better than this bs from microsoft
It honestly feels like Microsoft is actively trying to get people off Java edition. They were handling the game pretty well for quite some time, but recently, the higher ups and executives have been pushing way too far.
the official trailer for minecraft literally says: "no one can tell you what you can or cannot do, with no rules to follow this adventure is up to you"
There's a mod called "No Chat Reports" that disables the cryptographic signatures that are assigned to chat messages. It works on both the client and server and is available for both Forge and Fabric!
This is technically a bypass if Cilent lmao I agree with this, but REALLY hope Microsoft doesn't pull a GTAV and use this mod to justify nuking the modding community.
@@ProtocolAbyss just get a ton of the really experienced and popular modders to recreate minecraft as a point and see how many people would switch to the one microsoft DOESNT own obviously this wouldnt be a permanent measure as copywrite exists but it would show that microsoft is nuking the worlds best selling game
Servers should be allowed to choose if they want this "feature" or not and it shouldn't even be on private servers at all. And if someones get banned because of it it should be on that specific server, not all of multiplayer.
Why should Microsoft ban any Minecraft accounts? This shouldn't exist anywhere. From the beginning, Operators have been able to kick and ban players at their whim without needing any of this safe-space nonsense. It shouldn't be optional. It shouldn't be in the game.
Lets go to a place where everything is made of blocks. Where the only limit is your imagination. Lets go wherever you want to go. Climb the tallest mountains. Adventure down to the darkest caves. Build anything you want. Day or night. Rain or shine. Because this is the most significant sandbox you'll ever set foot in. Build a majestic castle. Invent a new machine. Or take a ride on a roller coaster. Play with friends. Build your own little community. Protect yourself with the strongest armor that you can craft and fight off the dangers of the night. No one can tell you what you can or can not do. With no rules to follow, this adventure its up to you.
Idea: Someone make a mod that just deletes vanilla chat and adds a new one without reporting functionality. It could be like optifine where everyone has that and microsoft can't do anything about it
there already is a mod that strips the signatures from your messages before sending them to the server/have the server strip them out before sending chat to other users/bypass secure chat, making the report functionality essentiallyuseless since your messages wouldn't be attributed to you, can't wait for servers to start requiring it
This is the perfect example of "If it wasn't broken, don't try to fix it." Microsoft are assholes. Minecraft should've always stayed indie or at least be owned by a more competent company
@@_CPP_ I will definitely say when I played Minecraft the most, 1.6.4, it definitely had more charm. Though that might just be nostalgia talking. Then again today's mc is completely different in tone and feel
As a bedrock player, this ruins certain aspects of Java. I've always thought of Java as the mature version, and bedrock as the family version. If I had a PC, I'd play Java. It just feels like they're trying to turn it into bedrock.
Microsoft hates hates HATES Java players don't EVER forget this. I was around for the buyout and the aura around the game has never been the same. They HATE that there is a group of people who are playing a version of their intellectual property, that don't have to pay money for crappy skins, can download their own mods, their own texture packs. This freedom of choice without monetary consequence makes Microsoft SEETHE. They have had terrible intentions since the buyout and have been rolling out these tiny littld unpopular changes since all those years ago. But they are punching themselves in the head for not having a clause in their contract that said "JAVA EDITION WILL BE PERMANENTLEY OVERHAULED WITH OUR NEW ANTI CONSUMER BEDROCK EDITION EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY".
@@shinyguy3766 can't say I remember the exact version but the buyout happened in 2014. I'm sure you can trace the exact date to what was the most recent version at that time
They REALLY need to add an "opt-out" option to private java servers, so we don't have to worry about people getting each other perma-banned from the game, just cause the server's has more mature rules than Microsoft does..
@@SorrowAvenue Yeah, a mod that just removes that function from the game. You don't even get the option to report. That mod would likely be added to every modpack/private server. Nobody wants this.
I think everyone should take this time to start using the "no telemetry" mod that disables the snooper once more. I don't expressly mind the data collection, but I do very much mind that they sneakily re-added it with no option to turn it off.
The "family friendly" initiative is the worst thing I've ever seen, I hate that notion. It's up to parents and guardians to keep an eye on their kids, forget this stupid report system.
mojang did the same brilliant thinking with the glowing 2 pixels instead of putting effort into thinking of ways to remedy the issue of poisonous fireflies they just straight up booted them from 1.19 What does mojang think kids would do with fireflies? Shove a giant jar of them in the mouth of frogs? Animals dying from poisonous animals is natural cause that's evolution Sorry i brought fireflies into this discussion about report systems but the way they did it was why
@@anthonybenson2469 it's even more stupid because you can just.. y'know.. *Remove the interactions between Frogs and Fireflies, as opposed to obliterating fireflies from existence* "oHh BuT mY BRaND ImAGE"
Microsoft doesn’t even CARE! You can tell because of the report system itself- you can select ONE CHAT out of context. That means that nearly anything can be reported. There are so many better ways- toggleable and changeable chat filters, a better report system, specifically child-safe servers, or just LETTING THE SERVERS THAT ALREADY MANAGE MODERATION EFFECTIVELY MANAGE THEMSELVES!
ya i think this will be it for me as well.. tired of these "games". this is not a game anymore. it's a vehicle for surveillance, data-collection, propaganda, and marketing to trends... but not a video game.
@@82hellas Sorta. That's one of the frustrating parts too. Deleting the old authentication servers breaks all the old clients. So you'll have to run a hacked client. That said, part of the fun is servers, and I fully expect that at some point down the line there will be a user friendly way to spoof the login.
Wait, do you have to pay for a minecraft server? I don't think so, no? *EDIT:* So from all the answers I understood nothing, other than one comment saying that "In Minecraft java the servers the server admin will pay for hosting of that server.", which does answer my question in the opposite way, meaning that if you host it yourself you do not have to pay for it, which I knew, since I've done it. The other answers didn't really touch my question, which was "do you have to pay Microsoft for a server".
Mojang pays for the authentication servers, if you want to use them you should have to comply with their rules. You're free to set offline mode and not use them at all.
@@jlgf3148 No. You can also rent a server to host your SMP. You could host your own, but it’s a pita and if you don’t have a symmetrical connection, it can be trying, depending on your speeds. Most people find it easier to give $3-$10 a month for a small server, and up to about $100 for a larger, more demanding player base. Java is very very laggy.
Here's a fix idea: all messages instead of being sent will be directed to the server as a command, and then printed out as a /tellraw, so It wont count as a player message
this is sort of what paper does. they intercept the messages and send it as a 'system message', which bypasses the signing garbage, and makes it as if every message has been sent by the server
Easily the most unnecessary update ever, especially considering the fact that every single multiplayer server tends to have a staff team or filter in place. Even the small servers hosted on platforms like Minehut that average 10 concurrent players have staff teams dedicated to dealing with these issues. On top of that, those staff members are probably going to be a lot more effective in keeping their servers clean than Microsoft will be considering they'll have to deal with potentially millions of reports. Clearly this is just a grab for power by Microsoft.
It's unnecessary to the players yeah,they are probably doing this to look better to their investors as by adding it as a feature they can say something like "look at how safe and child friendly our game is" to them.
I'm telling y'all, this is probably the downfall of Minecraft thanks to Microsoft. After forcing the devs into cancelling some of the most anticipated things and postponing updates, we now have to be careful what we say on our OWN SERVERS, that we PAY FOR. What a sad end to such an amazing game...
@@deoxribonucleicacid8746 Theres no way we can organise a ‘strike’ big enough for Microsoft to even notice, never mind care. No, Microsoft ruining minecraft has been a long time coming and they are not going to go back on a single thing they do.
@@ludbud57 sadly I’m inclined to agree. Microsoft has been acquiring games and game studios preparing for the huge virtual battle that’s already in the works (with epic and apple and ‘meta’ and valve). Their response to Minecraft completely flopping would most likely be “Steve who?”
it's going to destroy these platforms if they keep pulling it tbh. eventually regular people are going to get completely fed up and leave and it'll be nothing but little kids and corporations
@@thymii Well this is why we need kids to be taught better internet safety, or have a parent or guardian watch what they do. Kids don't know what they're doing, and they either need to be a certain age to use the internet, or they need to offer classes in school discussing how to use it properly.
I know you most likely won’t see this Fit, but I REALLY appreciate you explaining that it’s not the developers fault. As someone who is pretty far into learning, it’s refreshing to know people understand this, even if it’s some people.
ikr. Mega corporations are behind this kind of crap. the devs at mojang are basically sitting at their computers with microsoft guns held to their heads being forced to do this lol.
I completely agree here, Microsoft is ruining the game with this update. Unless it’s able to be turned on or off per server, I think the community needs to make it clear this needs to be removed.
@@aaron-gz Yep, if you get banned because someone got butthurt and spamreported you for doing nothing wrong, you can't even play with friends on your local network anymore. As with most such ban systems, this is a huge overreach on what it should have an effect on. It should only have an effect on realms that choose to opt in / not opt out of it, and absolutely not on regular servers. But what it does instead is completely lock you out of all multiplayer.
The combination of the phrases "No appeal system" and "We have to consider ALL threats to be serious and credible" belongs in a George Orwell book, not the mouth of a spokesperson for a video game. And I can already think of a way to get around this with a server plugin where all chat isn't sent to the chat directly, but instead the server itself repeats everything people type and who typed it. So everyone can chat as normal, but the report function will only see messages from the server, not from any account.
@@LuluTheCorgi it's literally an example of authoritarianism, the main topic of Orwell's most famous book, it fits perfectly. If you've read it that is, and you clearly haven't.
If they are going to add moderation, at least add a way for servers to enable a form of “mature” server type where banned players can still join and reports are disabled.
I'm fine with this system in theory, but servers 100% need age ratings ("E," "T," & "M") if this is going to work in practice. Maybe servers should be able to turn off specific restrictions aside from a few like Child Sexual Exploitation, though I suppose displaying a list of what is and isn't allowed for every server is a bit much. Letter ratings are already pretty recognizable so that's probably the way to go. I hope an online ban doesn't prevent you from playing with friends. EDIT: You are banned from private worlds and even singleplayer for some versions!? According to many bedrock players they won't tell you why you were banned or even that you can appeal the ban. They don't even cancel your realms subscription automatically! Also, the mods seemingly go by "guilty until proven innocent." Basically, even with age restrictions, the system will still be very flawed
The thing is minecraft is meant to be that one game where you can do whatever you want. Servers like 2b2t are prime example of this. But by adding the report system, not only is the 'feel' of minecraft ruined, but its just gonna backfire and lead to massive amounts of false reports and bans. Microsoft needs to remove this, or mainstream mods like Optifine need to add a feature that removed this system entirely.
Sadly, this is a question of profit. It's a question of power. The media giants are little different from the empires of history (or the modern empires, for that matter). They won't give in until they are torn apart from the inside by power struggles, go completely bankrupt, or succumb to invasion (not sure what the equivalent for a company would be. Probably a competitor?). Things are still tolerable enough for me to use Windows myself, but my next computer is going to be a Linux first, with windows being demoted to a purely gaming device on it's own dedicated hard drive. I won't entirely abandon Windows until indie games gravitate towards linux.
Or, y'know, a mod could automatically report everyone on the current server whenever they send a chat message for every possible infraction, so it DDoS'es the reporting system
it seems like a perfect compromise to make a "microsoft protected server" pop-up when joining a server, and the ability for the server owner to change it. kinda like VAC protected servers by steam. games can use Valve Anti Cheat in their games, and if a player is banned, they are banned on all VAC protected servers and games. but you can still play non-VAC servers and games. microsoft and their infinite wisdom...
@@r3dp9 I can garantee you that whichever game you're thinking of either already narively supports Linux, or has a way to run on it. Mainly via Wine and updated graphics drivers
I'm worried about things like if someone asks how to get to spawn in someone says kill yourself, that will be seen as encouraging suicide in real life. The game was fine without this system. It's not necessary. Server admins should be the ones managing their own community. Imagine if Microsoft word spied on you like this.
This was one thing I had always liked about Minecraft; it never had a system like this. Minecraft was the one game where you could do whatever you liked and didn't have to worry about having features taken from you, if you got banned from a server that was pretty much the extent. I feel this is going to deter people from using public servers in fear of having their ability to play online taken away completely. Mojang/Microsoft is so out of touch from the community it's unreal.
I mean it's not even surprising. A multi-nation, multi-billion dollar company only cares for one thing and it's definitely not the community. I haven't played Minecraft since Notch sold it, but I can definitely see a drop in player count once they start rolling this feature. Absolutely sickening this is.
I've played Minecraft since 2011 and honestly I hate to see my favourite game like this now I've made the decision to never play modern versions unless I'm actually forced to because of Microsoft and Thier stupid additions to the game
There is a simple fix. Instead of sending the report to microsoft. The report should go the server host. So they can apply there own server rules. It whould make anargie better.
@@alex2005z if they dont care than that must be because it doesnt break server rules, so if you dont like it you can quit. Microsoft should not be controlling the rules on private servers
That's actually a much better idea, It beats me that Microsoft wouldn't take that approach. It would do the same thing, and not require them to have chat moderators 24/7.
The actual solution would be for parents to flag their child's account as only being able to access moderated servers, but instead let's make everyone behave like villagers. I cannot express the depths of my disgust with this feature so I won't bother.
This reminds me of TH-cam where they are just so out of touch with their community that they make everyone disappointed and dissatisfied with their choices
Self hosted servers should always be self moderated. The internet is the last bastion of true freedom in the modern day, and needs to be protected, regardless of what any company thinks will be profitable or create good pr. getting banned from playing the entire game, which you paid for, on servers you may be paying for yourself, is far too much overreach for microsoft to have.
@@wilbursoderberg9533 on a change they plan to make, and have no given no plans to change? I fail to see your point, if no one talks about it, microsoft will do it regardless of whether anyone agrees with the change. The absolute state of all of their software proves this.
Internet hasn't been free in years dude. I could have agree'd with you 10-15 years ago. Corporations have killed the free internet and will continue to ruin it for everyone for the sake of a few cents.
Everything Microsoft touches gets destroyed eventually (i.e., Halo, Skype, now Minecraft) It's insane how EULA's are considered "contracts" even though a real contract is a meeting of the minds discussing and negotiating. It's not an agreement if you are required to accept to play. It's anti-consumer on purpose letting companies and corporations having an iron grip on any product people own.
They're even proudly saying they'd rather ban 100 innocent people than let a single rulebreaker get away. For a policy meant to make the experience family friendly it ironically reminds me of the modus operandi of a certain german police force you would surely get banned for mentioning
this, they dont mind banning 100 innocent, becouse they know most of them will just buy a new account to continue playing. Its a win win situation for microsoft. It truly shows the old generation of business has been changed with the new. The new only thinks about makng big bucks fast, and completly ignore the long game.
I heard about something like this happening in Amazon's "New World". When people realized that accounts just get autobanned after enough reports come in for them, players started spamming reports against their rivals.
Its been happening since the start of automated reporting systems. Seriously anybody who supports such systems is just being willfully ignorant they are full of too many problems to work.
@High Lord Baron Just imagine it, I was the Top "Thaumcraft" user in a Modded Server and someone unleashs a everspreading plague at spawn outskirts and nuked spawn. I join the day of and died 30 times to put on Quantum Boots to help clean up the mess AND since it using something from a mod not alot use... they blame me for it? Left that instant.
Why do you think coporations ever care about us anyway? they sell our data online and know everything about us anyway. Yet there is still no government intervention
Hope there won’t be a day when we’ll have to say “Remember when Minecraft was the game where “no one can tell you what you can or cannot do” was true?”.
Didn't notice this in the migration :( even outside of places like 2B this could be abused in so many false ways. Thanks for bringing awareness to it for those of us who didn't notice, Fit. Hope you all stay safe out there!
Yeah this could be a good thing, but only if the action is taken only in a serious offense i.e. telling somebody to kill themselves and etc, otherwise it's so easily abusable
If this is implemented badly, this could genuinely be beginning of the end for Minecraft. A lot of people play MC to hang out with friends, and being suddenly told that you talk about weed or swear will genuinely break the experience.
I mean most chat in small servers is relegated to Discord and other voice chat programs already, so it won’t effect small group servers. But for big servers it could very negatively effect the experience
hopefully the report spam would get so overwhelming that trying to run the system becomes too much work to make sense paying employees for but that could be unlikely to end up being the case
The worst part is: you are forced to migrate. Or at least I was. The game literally would not let me log in via Mojang, whenever I tried it would tell me to migrate my account to continue.
If that's true then you should sue. Small claims, the cost of the game when you bought it, plus inflation. Will cost m$ more money to send their lawyers, and you can sell your story to any gaming news publisher or TH-camr to pour more fuel on the fire.
Same here. Does no one remember the fact that they wanted to shut down unmigrated Mojang accounts? if you didnt migrate, you couldn't play. Additionally, migrating made me lose one of my accounts to a bug which made neither Mojang nor Microsoft able to recover it, and they did nothing about the bug other than tell me I cant get the account back and have to get a new one. RIP Opallion.
@@5ONAL1TY I deleted my account when I couldn't play anymore. You're telling me they reversed the requirement to migrate to play? Whatever, 11 years with Minecraft was good enough for my $30.
I said this on another video but basically, I think there should be "verified" servers, where the owners agree to Mojang's rules, so everyone (especially parents) can be absolutely clear on which servers are public, safe for kids and moderated & endorsed by Mojang; and which ones are private, and moderated by the judgement of it's operators.
@@KutGut servers should be completely private. regulating a server should be up to it's owner, not mojang, because the server is private. mojang shouldn't have any access to what is in the server, because the server is private. so if the server doesn't follow mojang's rules & community guidelines, they would have no way of knowing or doing anything about it, because the server is private.
Any company talking about 'safety' on the internet is a massive red flag. Seriously. Even if this 'feature' is used the way it is intended, which is already highly unlikely, there's no company I would trust with deciding what kinds of behavior are 'acceptable', especially not Micro$oft.
@@adamthomson922 Lawsuit for what? Because some nobody called another nobody a bad name and because of how thin skinned one of them is, he commits seppuku over what some nobody said about him? Karen's can sue all they want, If I were the developer of a game, I'm not responsible with how people choose to behave within the world/game I've created, especially because nothing I made in the game promotes people's shitty behavior towards one another, so why should I feel responsible?
@@VulpinetideCuteTimes0w0 I don't disagree with you, but shit like that happends to companies especially in countries where it's easy to file lawsuits like USA. It's still Microsoft who's selling the product for XBOX, PC and Mac and when it comes to consumer protection it is indeed a valid case to file a lawsuit against a company. And also do not forget the Child Protection Act, which also forced TH-cam to take measures that were appropriate. I think this shit sucks too, they're clearly not doing it for the safety of their consumers but for the safety of their money, and that's also why my point still stands.
@@adamthomson922 Than why can't they just separate mature platforms and Kids platforms? I'm pretty sure there are things they can write down in their policy's or terms of use that can make them less liable if anything illegal happens, which in that case it be police departments job or the fbi to track the person down, and the companies responsibility to take the images or conversations down. Companies shouldn't be responsible for terrible parenting too. I mean, isn't that why we have ratings? A parent can't sue a company after realizing they bought a rated M game for their 10yo, because it was the parent's responsibility to know or ask what the rating is, or the game seller to explain what the rating is if they don't understand. What would be the point of the rating system if I could just sue a company for letting children play rated M games?
@@VulpinetideCuteTimes0w0 Look, terrible lawsuits are still filed and won and instead of taking the difficult route; companies do what is most cost effective, it's a business! no matter how stupid this shit is. And again, Child Protection Act is still something relevant too.
When the social screen and blocking players were initially introduced, I was very against it, I hated it. Now the (hopefully) full extent of those social “features” are revealed. As the owner of a small server, I would block joins from any version with this feature and even use plugins that disable it.
I think Microsoft is overstepping their boundaries here. I've been playing this game since beta 1.4 and I've seen some controversial changes over the years such as the combat update. But this change is a whole 'nother animal and it doesn't sit well with me. And what bothers me the most is no matter how big the backlash is I highly doubt it will matter. I feel like the minecraft community is just yelling into the wind
They overstepped their “boundary” when they bought Mojang back in 2014. Microsoft is treating the Minecraft IP like a cash cow, and they will continue to do so. At the end of the day, MSFT doesn’t know their audience and never has.
@@legozfordayz I guess it'll be up to server owners and players to stick to 1.18.2 and lower versions now. There are servers still running on 1.7.10 after all.
As long as Big Daddy Microsoft doesn't affect the perfect G-Rated microtransaction-ridden buggy cross-platform cash cow they call "Bedrock Edition", they won't give two shits.
Another thing about the so called “moderators” is that there can and will be issues with language barriers. Personally I don’t play Minecraft often, but I do play Roblox which has a similar report system to what Microsoft has added. I’ve experienced multiple times that these moderators are not in the same country that a majority of players are. They moderators will often be from third world countries where the native language is not English. I’ve known people to get screwed over because of something they made or said was lost in translation, and the moderator was completely unaware that what they said was actually okay. tldr: If Microsoft outsources their moderation (which I 100% think they will) there will be even more issues with their “moderation” system.
Oh, out of topic but have you seen Roblox's moderation system. They are a billion dollar company and I get banned for a shirt with a bird on it. However, I see people finding ways to curse and be offensive on there NON STOP! Also, their moderation team is in India.
It’s also a problem if the moderators ONLY speak English. There’s a ton of words in other languages that look like English swears or slurs, as well as slurs in other languages that would looks completely inconspicuous to an English speaker
@@koolaidman5661 I'm buddy-buddy with a couple people who are in this sort of "bypassing" community on Roblox who manage to put very.... interesting pictures onto Roblox. Trust me, they definitely use bots. For the pictures at least. There's no way any competent moderator would let those images pass and even with visual distortion effects (that go away when overlayed on a certain colour), it's not too hard to make out the image itself. Although it's not very easy to come across these images, the fact that it can be put onto Roblox in the first place is inexcusable if the company wants to keep their kiddie-friendly look.
@@FrostedGeulleisia with the current political agenda it's probably much more likely that they go after things that aren't politically correct, instead of people scamming children of their money (which Microsoft is quite good at themselves at in Bedrock now that I think about it).
Another plus for the old players of minecraft, that plays the 1.12.2 version or under. Ive played minecraft since 2017 and i still kinda like the older versions
Next update: "We disabled the option to hurt and kill animals since we want to keep our game family friendly and violence-free, also villagers will no longer trade with you unless they are in an open space since we don't support slavery" _- sincerely, Microsoft_
We remove piglins from the game, because they can turn into a zombie, and it's very hurtful thing to do for living beings. We remove zombies because corpses aren't family friendly. We remove creepers because they promote terrorism. We remove bats because they spread covid. We remove all enemies because they can hurt player, if player is a kid, it's count as childe abuse. We remove mining and crafting because if player is a kid, it counts as childe labor.
I personally am the most concerned about Microsoft's attempt to completely seize control of in-game moderation for themselves. As you stated in the video, it clearly hints towards them not trusting Minecraft's playerbase in managing their own servers and their attitude is inevitably going to lead towards centralization of power. Once again, we learn that communities function the best when they govern themselves, and aren't controlled in a suspiciously paranoid fashion by higher authorities. Let's just hope that Minecraft does not share Roblox's fate...
I just spent an hour censoring a comment for TH-cam showing exactly how these rules can be taken out of context and it doesn’t even show as a reply here because it’s still shadow banned proving my point exactly This comment has 3 replies but doesn’t show my last one
Hate speech: the only good creeper is a *not alive* creeper ( this was shadow banned by TH-cam 8 times because I used the D word) Terrorism or violent extremism: I’m going to go over there and Minecraft mob creeper powder + sand your village (shadow banned by TH-cam 7 times for using the B UP word...8 times now for using “TNT up”...9 times for using creeper powder + sand) Child sexual exploitation or abuse: hey *player175* come over here and milk my cows and trim my sweet berry bushes while I watch (the joke is anyone playing could be 12 and has been like that for a decade but nobody cared) Imminent harm - Threat to harm others: *See 1* Non consensual intimate imagery: hey *player175* LOOK AT MY PIXEL ART THE GAME ALLOWED ME TO MAKE Harassment or bullying: I’m gonna keep spawn trapping you until you rage quit Profanity: Damn that took a long time to build my ass is burnt out Defamation IMPERSONATION false information: hey guys look I’m Notch I got the notch skin Imminent harm - Self harm or suicide: Guys I’m lost I think I’m just gonna not food my self or underwater myself to get back (shadow banned by TH-cam for Star** and dro** word) Nudity or prawn: hey guys look I downloaded this funny pixel skin off the Minecraft website. Look those 4 pixels are his D (literally the name gets this deleted I’m guessing) Extreme violence or gore: hey guys I made this realistic pixel art of a creeper out of dry cement let’s blow it up and watch the insides fly everywhere Drugs or alcohol: Finally I was able to mix the right ingredients to make this SPEED 2 now I just need to brew up some Nausea to put on my arrow tips (isn’t a beer mug actually In the experimental version or am I thinking of terraria) SO DUMB IVE BEEN PLAYING MINECRAFT SINCE I WAS 11 AND THERES BEEN MODERATORS ON EVERY SERVER UNLESS I SPECIFICALLY WENT TO ONE THAT DIDN’T OR DIDN’T CARE *BECAUSE ITS A PIXEL GAME* The golden age of the internet is truly over Before i could go anywhere on any game any website and people would be free to do whatever or say whatever or joke about whatever or anything That’s what made it amazing because nobody had to be real but now everywhere and everything expects you to take things on the internet as serious as real life it’s the dumbest shit ever
4:42 "Threat to harm others" If you say "I'm going to kill you" In Minecraft and someone thinks they mean real life despite the fact that the threatening player is currently equipping their strongest enchanted netherite gear, they could find themselves banned for "Imminent harm" without the proper context.
@@fulltimeslackerii8229 What if they stole the dead bush you keep in a vault in your basement then? Can you not punish them because that would be committing harm? It's been even a special challenge to be a pacifist in the past, if Microsoft makes it necessary for you not to offend anyone, you're basically being forced into a communist state where nothing is yours, and if you say or act against that notion someone could falsely report you.
I foresee the "2B2T Profanity War" on the horizon. Players strategically banning other players using the new feature or just trolling. This is gonna get hectic.
The only way this is going to work is if Mojang gives server owners the ability to chose to implement this feature or not. Otherwise many large servers wont update past 1.19.0 or their comunity will change quite a lot (not sure if in the good direction or not)
the only way i could see this being a good idea if the report system never left the server files and it just be something the admin could chose to do what they want with it the second Microsoft starts banning people from playing on a server that they're not even hosting they will see massive amounts of preassure to change it back
@@LilyArgyle Yeah exactly. But this could also affect lan worlds, small servers with friends and especially realms. And the punishment, as mojang said, is even worse (Banned from Multiplayer and realms, temporarily or even permanently)
people can just report you via a third party website. Since everyone is forced to use a microsoft account now people can go and report users now via microsofts own store no matter the version you are in. The migration made it to where EVERYONE now has to deal with this no matter the version
I’ve already started coding a mod/feature to bypass this, although that there are already mods on curseforge and other types that block the system, I’m making a whole new system that not only doesn’t have the report feature in, but can also let anyone play on any version, I really hope this goes well Edit: The mod is up and running, but will be private for me just for testing, I’ll post the link to it when I’m finished NEW UPDATE: it’s been so long, I finally got it working and set it up, and I posted The link on Reddit, discord, and other types of platforms on an alt account and when I logged in an hour later and to my surprise, they were all either removed from the platform, or were deleted and I was banned from the server/community that I posted the link to, and one of the accounts on Reddit was banned and I didn’t have access to it anymore because Microsoft I guess did some thing with Reddit and banned me, I don’t really want my TH-cam account to get canceled by Microsoft or something, so I might just delete this comment as this many likes and comments a lot of people are just gonna want the link and since my link is basically been deleted from all platforms I don’t feel like it’s necessary to keep this coming up. If you guys want me to delete this, just reply and say yes and I might as well just do it
One of the problems I have with this feature is that if you break the rules on a server with signed messages on, you get banned from ALL servers, also the ones that have it off. On top of this, only the newer versions support this and major minecraft servers support cross version so they are forced to disable signed messages. This feature will only work on a select few servers, it's basically just microsoft virtue signalling to worried parents. EDIT: I think a better solution is to add verified servers (whatever they decide that that means) and that parents can decide of their children are allowed to play on "unverified" servers.
The whole reason I play on Java is because it's not supposed to be like bedrock. However, with every update, they just seem to get more similar. I was kinda mad when I was required to merge my Microsoft account, because if I wanted to sign up with a Microsoft account I would've bought bedrock. I feel like they're trying to phase out Java altogether.
@@Thunderpulse remember bedrock? They have paid mods. Sure, they arnt CALLED mods, but they are mods. Say goodbye to minecraft java, cause creativity is going down the dump!
Read communist writers, and they talk about the "necessity of removing every escape from politics" in order to "support the revolution". Read what evil people say about their own tactics and the world makes a lot more sense.
My least favorite part about all this is that you weren't given a choice whether to migrate your account or not. If you wanted to keep playing the game you had to migrate the account, which takes Microsoft's control too far for my comfort
"here are our new terms of service! you don't have to accept them, but if you dont, you won't be able to play the game you payed 30 dollars for" how is this legal??
bro if they implement this then my already declining Minecraft gameplay will go right to zero. I know and fully agree that it is an amazing game and ppl love it but we need to take a strike or boycott the game or something. everything after the 1.16 update is just killing the game
It’s also illegal. When purchasing a software license, a company may not revoke your ability to use it (on hardware it was known to run) at any time, for any reason.
@@RealTallestSkil That doesn't make sense, then how have banning systems in multiplayer games been implemented for multiple decades, and yet it isn't illegal?
Big corporations don't want freedom of speech. A game where anyone and everyone can get on and speak to anyone else on the platform freely is a major danger to established ideologies. It's not about the safety of individuals
that kinda reminds me of when the berlin wall was built in the former gdr. before, the chief of the gdr at that time said yea we wont build a wall and then they did it.
That's ridiculous for Minecraft to do this. Minecraft is meant to be free to do stuff and sandbox for you to create the rules and the only rules were gameplay like "Never dig straight down" not chatplay
@@momma_bal Unfortunately I have the feeling they are becoming just as rotten, these days. It doesn't take much for someone in the company to completely abandon the core of the game and its community, and for it to spread into upper management.
When I first heard of this I didnt even think of 2b2t. I just thought about freedom of play on a game you bought. I could totally see this being abused on anarchy servers to essentially assassinate people.
Oh for sure. 2B2T isn't the only victim. Playing multiplayer on bedrock is just sad. No nice chatting, any actual chatting is toxic. And people get reported all the time.
My favorite part about this was migrating my account not because I agreed with anything Microsoft was doing. Or because I really wanted to. It was because they put a metaphorical gun to my head by threatening the deletion of my account if I didn't do it before a certain date. Very cool
This sounds like the same people who complain about T bagging in FPS games as being "sexual assault", but are not concerned about everyone running around violently killing eachother with weapons in a virtual world.
Microsoft needs to understand that the community has always been Minecraft's most important pillar and they can't take away control from them and expect not to have backlash. Anyways, if Microsoft cared even a bit about the Minecraft community, they'd know that every single tool given can also be used as a weapon, expecially if it involves preventing people from joining online servers
I just spent an hour censoring a comment for TH-cam showing exactly how these rules can be taken out of context and it doesn’t even show as a reply here because it’s still shadow banned proving my point exactly This comment has 2 replies but doesn’t show my last one
Hate speech: the only good creeper is a *not alive* creeper ( this was shadow banned by TH-cam 8 times because I used the D word) Terrorism or violent extremism: I’m going to go over there and Minecraft mob creeper powder + sand your village (shadow banned by TH-cam 7 times for using the B UP word...8 times now for using “TNT up”...9 times for using creeper powder + sand) Child sexual exploitation or abuse: hey *player175* come over here and milk my cows and trim my sweet berry bushes while I watch (the joke is anyone playing could be 12 and has been like that for a decade but nobody cared) Imminent harm - Threat to harm others: *See 1* Non consensual intimate imagery: hey *player175* LOOK AT MY PIXEL ART THE GAME ALLOWED ME TO MAKE Harassment or bullying: I’m gonna keep spawn trapping you until you rage quit Profanity: Damn that took a long time to build my ass is burnt out Defamation IMPERSONATION false information: hey guys look I’m Notch I got the notch skin Imminent harm - Self harm or suicide: Guys I’m lost I think I’m just gonna not food my self or underwater myself to get back (shadow banned by TH-cam for Star** and dro** word) Nudity or prawn: hey guys look I downloaded this funny pixel skin off the Minecraft website. Look those 4 pixels are his D (literally the name gets this deleted I’m guessing) Extreme violence or gore: hey guys I made this realistic pixel art of a creeper out of dry cement let’s blow it up and watch the insides fly everywhere Drugs or alcohol: Finally I was able to mix the right ingredients to make this SPEED 2 now I just need to brew up some Nausea to put on my arrow tips (isn’t a beer mug actually In the experimental version or am I thinking of terraria) SO DUMB IVE BEEN PLAYING MINECRAFT SINCE I WAS 11 AND THERES BEEN MODERATORS ON EVERY SERVER UNLESS I SPECIFICALLY WENT TO ONE THAT DIDN’T OR DIDN’T CARE *BECAUSE ITS A PIXEL GAME* The golden age of the internet is truly over Before i could go anywhere on any game any website and people would be free to do whatever or say whatever or joke about whatever or anything That’s what made it amazing because nobody had to be real but now everywhere and everything expects you to take things on the internet as serious as real life it’s the dumbest shit ever
Incorrect assumption. Correction; Mojang is. Mojang is the main source of revenue, without which the rest of the community would suffer. While the community IS a (singular), yet rather important pillar for Minecraft, the actual hard-work should be attributed to Mojang, since said company is the only one which both advertises, and regularly updates the game. Think of Minecraft as a whole (Mojang, Microsoft, Community, Modders, Etc) as an ecosystem or a tulip (it makes this easier to understand). Mojangs' work attracts new players through advertisement and yearly updates, which give a steady influx of free revenue for Modmakers, while renewing interest, which allows Content creators to get more content for their videos. Mojang is the Tulip, the new updates and Ads are the flower, with Content creators being the pollinators. If there is no Mojang, there are no new updates, which means no advertisement, which means no Content creators, which in turn starves Modmakers, and thus reduces interest. This is a negative feedback loop that slowly kills interest in the game. While Modmakers may subsist upon a dwindling population of consumers, they won't manage to do it for long, and thus will eventually die out. Plus, Modmakers are incompetent at filling in the shoes of the company that was in charge. Modmakers are not good at advertising, nor bugfixing, nor resource management. Any mod that dares to even attempt to fill in Mojangs long shadow, will be utterly crushed by the sheer responsibility needed. It's a balancing act that should never be thrown off-course.
As an ex moderator, what i have to say. Good moderation takes a lot of effort. To consider context and find out if someone is not telling truth. That requires time, concentration and effort. Minecraft is played by millions of players, there are going to be massive amount of reports, especially in the first days. Moderators are people and they get tired, they are not perfect and under a high pressure. If someone going to report message "lets blow up a ", most likely Moderators are going to use default action. Either "thats a minecraft, people blow up stuff all the time" or "that could be a real threat, ban". And they will go with default quick response that error costs less. What i am saying, this will be abused as hell
And most people that moderate are likely over-worked, underpaid, and will just take the complaint at it's word and ban someone on first glance. I can see that happening.
i have the feeling that the more blunders Microsoft makes, soon someone will make a spiritual successor of Minecraft, or a "pirated" fork on the deep web.
There's got to be some kind of class-action lawsuit that could come from this. For people who bought the game in the beta, the deal was $13 once, and you keep the game forever. But now they have basically held your copy of the game hostage until you agree to some new set of ToS which you need to accept to keep your game. So, assume someone chooses to decline it, they could say that their rightfully owned property was stolen from them. Me personally, I'll just be pirating the game if/when I ever get banned for something slightly spicy. The only Microsoft product I use is an Xbox controller, and even then it's been collecting dust for a while now.
This does suck alot, however, legally speaking, you only paid for the older versions, which are still playable without adding this feature, so I believe that nothing can be done technically
@@Smalllbuddy No, you can't log into the launcher until you migrate over your account. meaning you don't have access to any of your old worlds or installations without agreeing to the ToS
Holy shit I just wrote out the exact same comment without seeing yours. Meaning our memories of what was advertised to us are the same. At least in Alpha, and possibly beta, it was a full on all-updates guarantee with no possibly of excluding future updates/services.
Of course, they are commies! You need to prove the burden of Innocent while having no way to defend yourself... simple to their "elevated, big brain" eyes.. hard for actual sane people.
Skype used to have call centers to dispute conflicts between the users and the product. After bought by Microsoft, they removed the call centers and replaced it with automated voice actors. Now even if there is an overcharge or a bug in Skype that wiped my credit, there is nowhere to appeal to.
Large companies and companies in general aren't going to listen to an audience that is determined as children or teenagers concerning moderation. What they will listen to however, is stake-holders and finances because if people start leaving then they will be forced to change or the game closes. Because of the popularity of this game, that is less likely. This would have been a much different situation if the minecraft source-code was an open-source instead of now being owned by Microsoft.
@@pocketpixie6525 all it would really take is microsoft pushing changes that would make it take less effort to play a bootleg minecraft, and then every big and small mc youtuber would tell their audience how to play the bootleg and then microsoft comes in crying for everyone to play again
@@jangamecuber the thing is that developers already took measures against this! If you tamper with the reporting or the chat, they will get a notification in their systems, risking you your account
I remember being on a server with a somewhat overzealous censoring system. Writing 'grass' or 'glass' would have the last three letter censored guess what common denominator is. Imagine a system like that across Minecraft? It sounds rather similar to the "You have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide" concept.
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Add it to the pile of things that Microsoft have done to Mojang & Minecraft, that show they are entirely out of touch with their community.
The march of wokeness goes on, and our rights are in the way.
"hey guys, how much can we ruin our game that has worked for the past decade"
Well said, AntVenom
reported for hate speech
Sadly minecraft may be walking down a path of death thanks to microsoft
If Mojang forces us to PAY or HOST our own servers, then they need to keep their nose out of who plays on these servers. It needs to be left up to the server owner and the server owner only. No one should ever be banned from online play on Minecraft.
yes true
There needs to be an opt out for private servers who would rather not use Microsoft's ban system.
You already get banned by server admins anyway, so this addition is clearly Microsoft trying to force control over minecraft. It's ridiculous how they still push for full creative freedom in this sandbox game hut then immediately show that's not true.
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Well it doesn’t really hurt anybody unless Minecraft is not going to look into the reports and automate bans, which i don’t think they will. I think It’s just a good feature to have and that people are overreacting.
This is the pinnacle of "don't fix what isn't broken". Private Minecraft servers have been self-moderated for years. There is absolutely no need for Microsoft to police servers that AREN'T theirs.
Microsoft and Mojang have never listened to that, they cut C418, the community and now seek to enforce dictatorship and create hatred for Democracy which even YT may not do.
This this this
They only want to collect data through chat messages and disguise it as report system.
@@ici123-r2e oh wow, I can't see this message outside of clicking on it through my notifications
@@maudley I think the comment got removed, I also didn't see it when I logged into my second account.
I also like how when you get banned, it doesn't even automatically end your Realms subscription, so if you accidentally forget to cancel it, you're gonna keep paying for something you can't even use. That's a very Micro$oft move as well.
honestly i wish this type of shit is illegal.
If you are banned, then you shouldnt even have a subscription, it should be immediately cancelled
@@UlulvarCape It should go even further than that. If Micro$oft want to ban you from something you already paid for, then they should be legally required to refund you in full for any money you spent on purchasing the game, Realm subscriptions and so on.
Yep, this is a pretty clear sign that Mojang is losing it's integrity adls a company. Notch would have never allowed this, flat out
@@bernlin2000 If Notch was still in control of Minecraft, it could honestly have made Minecraft into a completely different game then what we have now.
He is severely disappointed with Microsoft and selling Mojang was a huge mistake.
Micro$oft nice
Looks like my prediction regarding Microsoft account migration was SPOT ON. You now have to agree to Microsoft's terms, which are VASTLY DIFFERENT from the ones you originally accepted when you made your Mojang account. Most people turned a blind eye to it. Now here we are...
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Yeah. And next thing you know it'll be like Roblox all over again.
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good thing mojang accounts still work at least on older versions (i havent migrated at all)
migration has already "officially" ended but there is no announced date for when the old authn servers will be shut. hopefully it stays up, like how legacy mc accounts (pre-mojang account) are still able to log in
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I hope the community throw a huge fit about this - Everyone is tired of internet censorship and taking it into our private minecraft servers is just one more step across the line
These days it doesn't matter if Twitter gets mad
@@Amokra cause it never mattered unless mainstream news sites picked it up lmao
FLOOD THE SYSTEM WITH FALSE REPORTS
Just one step? How about a mile run across the line!
the only way anything will be done about it is if hypixel shuts down it's servers or something at that scale
This doesn't need to exist. Multiplayer is run entirely by the community and big servers have been refining their systems for literally years. They don't need Microsoft to step in and provide a way for people who don't deserve power to have it over others via the report system. Admins, Moderators, and Helpers do their jobs already. The possibility of permanent or even temporary bans by the whims of other people is ludicrous. The people running their servers should be allowed to be the ones running their servers and not Microsoft.
reported for hate speech
@@Matt-ul7pr lmao
So, you wan't communities to set their own rules as they see fit? Sorry, we don't do that here. Just American Things.
@@5-0ed bro minecraft boutta become twitter 2.0 Rlcraft verison
@@Matt-ul7pr lmaoo
Was staying away from public servers as I rather avoid griefers, trolls and aggressive players. Now I'll stay away from public servers for fear of being permabanned for accidentally saying something that might be inappropriate for Timmy's toxically overprotective parents.
The worst part is that basically puts you into a self permaban out of fear of being banned
It’s in private servers also. Make sure people you play with won’t troll and report you
God forbid you say anything remotely critical of someone who happens to be lgbt. now you can get permabanned for hate speech!
How dare you assume Timmy has parents! Reported!
It likely to be used by ppl with no life who want to use the crumbs of power they're given to (try to) ban people
I think we all need to immediately start working on mods and plug-ins that completely disable the reporting feature, server owners and administrators have had the ability to mute or ban people for breaking rules, it's not Mojang or Microsofts place unless its THEIR server being used.
Edit: ive been informed the plugin was already made, I freakin love the mc community.
we need to push optifine tbh
@@computerize 1 problem i can't use optifine because java won't run so i can't install forge so i can't mod java minecraft
We should make a bot that spams the report system
@@hsbdbsjsjebbdbsbsb370 those accounts would just get banned.
except it is, it is THEIR game and they can implement any feature they want despite how shitty it is
a year from now im just gonna see a fitmc video that’s about 2b2t dying due to chat report exploiters and think “this could have entirely been avoided”
yeah its gonna happen
if they keep this update going, which microsoft obviously will, i expect that same thing
nah i think its gonna be instant death for 2b2t lol
It really could happen
The part that makes me sad it this will servers I had experience with... Barbercraft Hypixel, and countless others. The kind of severe limitations they are trying to enforce is downright atrocious and displays that they have lost touch with the Minecraft Java Community
Hacked clients having an auto-report system might actually have a good side. If there are so many false reports, then it becomes harder to find real ones and it becomes so much harder and time (and money) consuming, making it unsustainable. The only way to stop this may be with floods of false reports which is just a sad situation I think.
You’re smart
Until hidden chat messages can be sent as other players and they start spamming hard r as you and promptly report it every tick.
then they will start to use ai
@@nurihan4764 Just what I wanted to say.
This would the worst ending, Microsoft implementing algorithms or AI to auto moderate the reports, and i just hope it's not going to happen.
@@cheesedabber you say that as if they care
Microsoft is a massive company do you really think that it cares about anyone outside of profits?
We just need to tf2 them, get a ton of bots and then just make them spam report eachother. Tf2 implemented something similar, and it got so bad they had to remove it. If these are truly manually reported, bots can report faster.
Yes
tf2 is a f2p game no ones gonna pay 30$ per bot
@@josephg1125 idk, gamers can be extremely dedicated and willing to spend money. Considering how hardcore the 2b2t community is I could see this happening
@@josephg1125 minecraft is the biggest game in the world by FAR, I still think report botting like this on a significant and effective scale is quite possible.
@@josephg1125 ... 2B2T Players: Let us introduce ourselves. >:)
"We have to consider all threats to be serious and credible ones simply because the way the internet works these days."
Well I guess me and my friends joking about being in each other's walls is going to be taken seriously, despite being physically impossible. As another commenter said, leave it to these community moderators to put the "Soft" in "Microsoft"
wisdom right here. also i got a virus from somebody on your discord server and will hold that against you forever even though you are entirely not at fault
Now that’s something wise. If Microsoft considers all threats to be serious then the game will really be bland. I hope they remove this system or at least make it less serious
on god
Well, Minecraft is facing the roblox problem. Hypercensored chat. And nobody can speak. And it's filled with toxic little kids. RIP Minecraft, Hello RoMine "The joke is that Minecraft is becoming more like Roblox."
like, just let the admins, mods, and owners of individual servers deal with it their own way. Every server has their own rules for the people affiliated with the server to enforce, not some jerkoff "mod" from a higher team.
Minecraft is known for it's creativity, freedom, and server independence. With this report system added, every SINGLE one of those are now nearly irrelevant.
just wait till they bundle the "no chat report" mod in forge. also 1.12.2
@@clementpoon120 EDIT: I had originally misread the comment I was replying to, so here's a better reply:
According to the creator of the 'No Chat Report' mod, Forge is AGAINST any method of blocking out the chat report feature and does not want to support nor endorse said methods, so no, it's not going to be automatically implemented into the Forge loader.
(Original reply: Mod loaders aren't officially affiliated by Microsoft/Mojang, so I doubt player interaction features (this includes chat reporting) will be bundled into mods.)
Agreed.
@winter (private) Bedrock should be completely separate from Java edition, we like the game how it is. If yall like bedrock then have fun.
yep
I really don't like how ever since Microsoft bought Mojang they were tightening their grip on the game and the community. Minecraft used to be a really open environment and even though it still is, it seems like with every update it gets less so.
It was bound to happen. Every big corp that buys out an indie dev ruins the franchise.
It’s like china and Hong Kong… Microsoft is china and Hong Kong is mojang…
@Allah man Same, it's kind of frightening how little people believed us back in the day, but here we are...
Micro and Soft is well known for being one of the most incompetent players in the corpo play of "buying oneself out of obsolescence". Where corpos like AMD bought chip manufacturers because they needed the fast response of their purchase for their work and plused their and their purchase's profits, Incompetents like Micro and very Soft ruin everything they touch. They're the OS equivalent of EA. Nokia's mobile arm, a veritable gold mine of technology with R&D that rivaled the best of the best for years (stuff like battery tech that Samsung blatantly stole at the start, bendable phone, yes, bendable phones, fully functional, there's a demo at a conference you can look up here on YT and many, many other things) Halo (which is a radioactive pit now that's slowly dying of gangrene) and now MineCraft. The modding community has been pushing 'updates' on their own that far surpass anything Mojang has been able to push on their own under Micro and Soft.
TLDR, incompetent micro is at it again.
Hi Rosa lol
There should be a "mature" setting in the server settings, and when turned on, the server is exempt from the reporting feature
I think there should be basically what should be called " Anarchy PLAY "... As it should be 100% exempt from pretty much reports, or straight up saying " You're willing to accept harassment, horrific image, we are not responsible for at all!... "
You both have great points
or a "kid-friendly" setting to censor chat messages and such...
or both of these things so the default setting for a minecraft server is not 18+ but not aimed only towards kids...
“No swearing on my Christian Minecraft server” has now become an actual threat
Lol
@@Alexander666W I'm dialing 911
@@7AM.Adrian on yo mamma?
@@Alexander666Wgood
@@Alexander666W w-why choose Minecraft for that bruh? What the frick?
"Extreme violence or gore."
Ah yes, Minecraft. A game that definitely needs moderation for gore which 100% exists in-game.
Oh no someone is roleplaying in chat about mutilation!!!!!
Oh no someone is making pixel art of severed balls!!!!!
Problem would be people sending links to gore, not gore in game
Sorry, left some Redstone Dust on the floor. Lemme pick it up real fast...
@@paulinapeak then this demonstrates how out of touch Microsoft is. Huge public Servers with young adult and child demographics in mind tend to have link filters that scrub links from chat, or disable clickable hyperlinks.
It is also up to the server owner to enforce these rules.
I dislike Microsoft more by the day for this
@@fluffypinkpandas there just trying to kill mine craft so they can sell s sequel
When I heard about this, I Immediately knew it was gonna be bad. Leave this stuff up to server owners. I thought Microsoft wouldn’t touch this version. Looks like they are trying to tighten their grip around our community.
Although I've been a bedrock player for nearly 8 years now (because I'm not used to Java) I've never heard of chat reports though I don't play on servers that much but I feel bad for the Java players that they have to go through this now. And this makes me wanna avoid servers more
In my opinion, this should be an disable/enable feature
Yeah java is slowly getting absorbed into the minecraft Microsoft wants (bedrock). They just can't do it in one go because they know the community won't accept it.
@@randomyoutuber3826 chatting in bedrock edition is annoying enough. They count certain common words in my language as a bad word and censored it which is annoying af.
@@jerungbiru55 yeah I agree
Are we falling into 2nd Minecraft dark age? First the 1.19 disappointment and then now possibly getting false banned. This is not making Minecraft safer,this is actually making it less safe to the average player and adding stress to fun experience’s.
i mean the minecraft is literally like it was in that era, look at minecraft in youtube, mr beast is what the annoying orange was like in 2013.
Don't forget how they're forcing us to move our accounts...
yes
@@sirspongadoodle Annoying Orange was actually funny.
@@iodias it wasnt
Step 1: Force every player to migrate to a Microsoft account to continue playing the game they loved and played for years
Step 2: Make players agree to a new terms and conditions, either agree or never play Minecraft ever again
Step 3: Start implement these "features", players get mad
Step 4: Just say "BUT YOU AGREED TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS!"
Seriously, Microsoft needs to just back off and let Mojang handle the game before they destroy what the game had built for itself.
exactly, I didn't want to agree to their terms but I had to in order to keep playing. It's so manipulative and sad
Well under EU GDPR at least that's not valid. You can't force people to agree to sharing their data by saying they can't use your service otherwise. In this case the terms of service have no legal weight, and in fact by collecting your data, I believe they are breaking the law. The problem is that EU courts seem incapable of actually enforcing these rules.
“Problem?”
@@Seaweeduu agreed. Microsoft is destroying Minecraft servers’ (and players’) freedoms. The audacity in this “regulation” and manipulation is not visibly finite. This is why I don’t play on the new versions.
@kite man Their terms, that seemed like they were made to wreck the game into its formerly avoidable downfall. I don’t know which of the people on this planet decided that this was not breaking the law. I think it was. They were basically saying “agree to our terms that nobody’s gonna read or never play the game that YOU paid for, again”.
If they ever continue this path, I'm guessing Cracked Minecraft and Cracked Servers are going to increase in popularity, due to how bad it truly is and how bad it can be. Imagine you, not being able to join your OWN server.
Are cracked clients still a thing? I remember back when I was a kid, my friends and I would use cracked clients and use logmein hamachi with online-mode=false. Only downside is that you would need to get some sort of login plugin for public servers, which would be annoying af. Even worse, is that now harassers can just change their username and ip and rejoin that way.
@@adrycough yes. Tlauncher is one big cracked minecraft downloader out there
@@adrycough iirc online-mode=false is still a thing in official server you get, and as back then it removes skins form paying players... that you can fix again with a mod or a plugin.
@@adrycough yes, and private servers run just fine. We even have troubles with people who use official client, so they has to switch. I'm from Russia so for many children and people now it's the only way to play Minecraft.
@@adrycough yep, SK launcher is the only one i trust atm, but they are pretty "volatile" from update to update
But atm anything is better than this bs from microsoft
It honestly feels like Microsoft is actively trying to get people off Java edition. They were handling the game pretty well for quite some time, but recently, the higher ups and executives have been pushing way too far.
If mojang wanted to make Java look worse than bedrock then bedrock wouldn’t have had this same moderation system for 2 years
@@stuffedanimalwars7692 they are trying to drag Java down to bedrocks hell level
@Subject Zero ha
maybe in the future they will axe java edition.
@@SimonBauer7 That's been the plan from the very start, and what everyone suspected as soon as Microsoft bought the game.
If Microsoft touches a product, it's bound to be destroyed and become a shell of what it was.
Conker and Rareware remembers this.
I think Fit broke a personal best.
He didn’t say “the oldest anarchy server in Minecraft” for 30 seconds.
it was 52 seconds in another video from the other day.
@@surgeonso4345 MrBeast video
No.
Lol
Broke his personal best*. Nope this is not his personal best.
the official trailer for minecraft literally says: "no one can tell you what you can or cannot do, with no rules to follow this adventure is up to you"
wow, and look what microsoft is doing.
@Allah man microsoft is a parasite
Minecraft was better back when it wasn't owned by Microsoft.
There's only one thing that can save the game: 1.20 being a great update.
@@ascendantchameliasapostle2580 Nothing is good when owned by Microsoft. I wouldn’t be surprised if they add ‘DLC’ so you can’t be reported.
There's a mod called "No Chat Reports" that disables the cryptographic signatures that are assigned to chat messages. It works on both the client and server and is available for both Forge and Fabric!
lol. i know i can always count on the modding community
This is technically a bypass if Cilent lmao
I agree with this, but REALLY hope Microsoft doesn't pull a GTAV and use this mod to justify nuking the modding community.
With client side, how does it work?
Can always count on the modding community to save us.
@@ProtocolAbyss just get a ton of the really experienced and popular modders to recreate minecraft as a point and see how many people would switch to the one microsoft DOESNT own
obviously this wouldnt be a permanent measure as copywrite exists but it would show that microsoft is nuking the worlds best selling game
Servers should be allowed to choose if they want this "feature" or not and it shouldn't even be on private servers at all.
And if someones get banned because of it it should be on that specific server, not all of multiplayer.
Why should Microsoft ban any Minecraft accounts? This shouldn't exist anywhere. From the beginning, Operators have been able to kick and ban players at their whim without needing any of this safe-space nonsense. It shouldn't be optional. It shouldn't be in the game.
Lets go to a place where everything is made of blocks. Where the only limit is your imagination. Lets go wherever you want to go. Climb the tallest mountains. Adventure down to the darkest caves. Build anything you want. Day or night. Rain or shine. Because this is the most significant sandbox you'll ever set foot in. Build a majestic castle. Invent a new machine. Or take a ride on a roller coaster. Play with friends. Build your own little community. Protect yourself with the strongest armor that you can craft and fight off the dangers of the night. No one can tell you what you can or can not do. With no rules to follow, this adventure its up to you.
F in the chat for Mojang
I guess that was just a lie then.
@@Mradeptant It's not a lie, it was truth back then.
But since Microsoft bought the game, it aged like milk
@@shapeswitch_mood7221 hey, if it sells better as a kids game, then they will capitalise on that. its just business
@@bobsmith12345 yet at the same time i feel that a system that cannot survive critisism or obsevation shouldnt.
Idea: Someone make a mod that just deletes vanilla chat and adds a new one without reporting functionality. It could be like optifine where everyone has that and microsoft can't do anything about it
That could work, actually. I've seen a VC mod a few years back. If that's possibly another text chat should be easy to make.
If 2b2t doesn't get this then it will die.
I would like to, but I don't know java otherwise I can program literally anything
Might actually happen if Microsoft decides to literally ruin the vanilla chat like this. They’re definitely overstepping their bounds with this one
there already is a mod that strips the signatures from your messages before sending them to the server/have the server strip them out before sending chat to other users/bypass secure chat, making the report functionality essentiallyuseless since your messages wouldn't be attributed to you, can't wait for servers to start requiring it
This is the perfect example of "If it wasn't broken, don't try to fix it." Microsoft are assholes. Minecraft should've always stayed indie or at least be owned by a more competent company
I mean Not that I dont agree with you, but you telling me you wouldnt take that 1,000,000,000$ payout?
@@ariesfan If I was in a shitty situation, I would take it, but I feel like there was more passion in the picture when Notch was a part of it
@@_CPP_ I will definitely say when I played Minecraft the most, 1.6.4, it definitely had more charm. Though that might just be nostalgia talking. Then again today's mc is completely different in tone and feel
@@ariesfan MY MAN I WOULD SELL MY ENTYRE GAME, IDEAS, BRAIN, AND SCRIPT FOR 500.000$
@@ariesfan nope. look how much money Notch would be making now.
As a bedrock player, this ruins certain aspects of Java. I've always thought of Java as the mature version, and bedrock as the family version. If I had a PC, I'd play Java. It just feels like they're trying to turn it into bedrock.
They can't sell us mods on java, they're free. That's why they do all they can to ruin the java minecraft.
Microsoft hates hates HATES Java players don't EVER forget this. I was around for the buyout and the aura around the game has never been the same.
They HATE that there is a group of people who are playing a version of their intellectual property, that don't have to pay money for crappy skins, can download their own mods, their own texture packs.
This freedom of choice without monetary consequence makes Microsoft SEETHE. They have had terrible intentions since the buyout and have been rolling out these tiny littld unpopular changes since all those years ago. But they are punching themselves in the head for not having a clause in their contract that said "JAVA EDITION WILL BE PERMANENTLEY OVERHAULED WITH OUR NEW ANTI CONSUMER BEDROCK EDITION EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY".
@@invisibleloki26 What update/version of the game was the first as owned by microsoft? If you know
@@shinyguy3766 can't say I remember the exact version but the buyout happened in 2014. I'm sure you can trace the exact date to what was the most recent version at that time
@@invisibleloki26 Version 1.8 was the final version before the cursed buyout.
They REALLY need to add an "opt-out" option to private java servers, so we don't have to worry about people getting each other perma-banned from the game, just cause the server's has more mature rules than Microsoft does..
indeed but microsoft is a massive corporation that only cares about money and power so they won't do that
Someone could make a mod.
@@SorrowAvenue Yeah, a mod that just removes that function from the game. You don't even get the option to report. That mod would likely be added to every modpack/private server. Nobody wants this.
Based PFP.
very true
I think everyone should take this time to start using the "no telemetry" mod that disables the snooper once more. I don't expressly mind the data collection, but I do very much mind that they sneakily re-added it with no option to turn it off.
I do mind it period, so thank you for sharing this.
Thanks, I hope there will be a mod that somehow circumvents this new system aswell, although I have my doubts
Good to know. I hope others will find it too
The report system is simply an excuse to collect even more data through chat messages. They only try to disguise it as report system.
@@markhoitsma4468 There is already a mod that does both - No Chat Reports.
The "family friendly" initiative is the worst thing I've ever seen, I hate that notion. It's up to parents and guardians to keep an eye on their kids, forget this stupid report system.
mojang did the same brilliant thinking with the glowing 2 pixels
instead of putting effort into thinking of ways to remedy the issue of poisonous fireflies they just straight up booted them from 1.19
What does mojang think kids would do with fireflies? Shove a giant jar of them in the mouth of frogs? Animals dying from poisonous animals is natural cause that's evolution
Sorry i brought fireflies into this discussion about report systems but the way they did it was why
@@anthonybenson2469 it's even more stupid because you can just.. y'know.. *Remove the interactions between Frogs and Fireflies, as opposed to obliterating fireflies from existence*
"oHh BuT mY BRaND ImAGE"
They just use that as their excuse. They don’t give a crap about kids being safe they only care about their wallet.
Think of the children is the excuse for all bullshit rules
Microsoft doesn’t even CARE! You can tell because of the report system itself- you can select ONE CHAT out of context. That means that nearly anything can be reported. There are so many better ways- toggleable and changeable chat filters, a better report system, specifically child-safe servers, or just LETTING THE SERVERS THAT ALREADY MANAGE MODERATION EFFECTIVELY MANAGE THEMSELVES!
As a Minecraft veteran, I think this is where my adventure ends. Goodbye Minecraft
ya i think this will be it for me as well.. tired of these "games". this is not a game anymore. it's a vehicle for surveillance, data-collection, propaganda, and marketing to trends... but not a video game.
I already left minecraft around 2 years ago. its safe to say i did a good choice
Same. I was gonna get back into it, but not if I can get banned
Is there a way to play a previous version that isn’t under Microsoft’s control?
@@82hellas Sorta. That's one of the frustrating parts too. Deleting the old authentication servers breaks all the old clients. So you'll have to run a hacked client. That said, part of the fun is servers, and I fully expect that at some point down the line there will be a user friendly way to spoof the login.
Imagine being banned for something like "spamming in all caps" and not being able to enter a server that allows it
Minecraft is turning into Roblox.
@@toxicityuser god I hope not
@@Verdun16 unless
*Alice:* _Is this new policy GDPR compliant?_
*Mojang:*
*Bob:* _lul_
*Mojang:*
**crickets**
@@toxicityuser but at least roblox's report system is useless (even if not intended 2 be), so this could be even worse
If mojang forces YOU to pay for/host the server then they should let you do the necessary moderation you want in your server.
Wait, do you have to pay for a minecraft server? I don't think so, no?
*EDIT:* So from all the answers I understood nothing, other than one comment saying that "In Minecraft java the servers the server admin will pay for hosting of that server.", which does answer my question in the opposite way, meaning that if you host it yourself you do not have to pay for it, which I knew, since I've done it. The other answers didn't really touch my question, which was "do you have to pay Microsoft for a server".
@@h-0058 yes you have to.
In Minecraft java the servers the server admin will pay for hosting of that server.
They are probably referring to realms
Mojang pays for the authentication servers, if you want to use them you should have to comply with their rules. You're free to set offline mode and not use them at all.
@@jlgf3148 No. You can also rent a server to host your SMP. You could host your own, but it’s a pita and if you don’t have a symmetrical connection, it can be trying, depending on your speeds.
Most people find it easier to give $3-$10 a month for a small server, and up to about $100 for a larger, more demanding player base.
Java is very very laggy.
Here's a fix idea: all messages instead of being sent will be directed to the server as a command, and then printed out as a /tellraw, so It wont count as a player message
this is sort of what paper does. they intercept the messages and send it as a 'system message', which bypasses the signing garbage, and makes it as if every message has been sent by the server
@@AveryChow can you give more detail on that? how to get it working etc?
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No Chat Reports mod:
Doesn't make it as painful as possible for MS/Mojang.
We don't want it sidestepped, we want them to pay for this, monkey paw style...
Microsoft once again, fixing something that isn’t broken…
For real
Easily the most unnecessary update ever, especially considering the fact that every single multiplayer server tends to have a staff team or filter in place. Even the small servers hosted on platforms like Minehut that average 10 concurrent players have staff teams dedicated to dealing with these issues. On top of that, those staff members are probably going to be a lot more effective in keeping their servers clean than Microsoft will be considering they'll have to deal with potentially millions of reports. Clearly this is just a grab for power by Microsoft.
But why is the word afk banned on minehut?
@@49asvk Most of servers have swears and other stuff blurred or if u say it mute or ban
Servers that don't exist. You'd think you'd know that with how often fit talks about one that explicitly permits even *literally illegal* behavior.
It's unnecessary to the players yeah,they are probably doing this to look better to their investors as by adding it as a feature they can say something like "look at how safe and child friendly our game is" to them.
u mean millions of reports every hour. the amount of people reviewing reports will be an insane amount. even a thousand people wont be enough.
I'm telling y'all, this is probably the downfall of Minecraft thanks to Microsoft. After forcing the devs into cancelling some of the most anticipated things and postponing updates, we now have to be careful what we say on our OWN SERVERS, that we PAY FOR. What a sad end to such an amazing game...
@@deoxribonucleicacid8746 There's not gonna be any "we"
sheeps will fall in line and Microsoft will get what they want.
@@deoxribonucleicacid8746 Theres no way we can organise a ‘strike’ big enough for Microsoft to even notice, never mind care. No, Microsoft ruining minecraft has been a long time coming and they are not going to go back on a single thing they do.
@@ludbud57 sadly I’m inclined to agree. Microsoft has been acquiring games and game studios preparing for the huge virtual battle that’s already in the works (with epic and apple and ‘meta’ and valve). Their response to Minecraft completely flopping would most likely be “Steve who?”
oh i don't pay for my own server, my computer pays it's CPU and RAM for it
@@albertlong3492 you still payed for the pc, that's the point.
The insanity of forcing the “family friendly“ attribute onto every platform is becoming worse and worse.
it's going to destroy these platforms if they keep pulling it tbh. eventually regular people are going to get completely fed up and leave and it'll be nothing but little kids and corporations
It all leads back to COPPA, doesn't it?
im sorry but kids ruin everything for the rest of us online
@@thymii Well this is why we need kids to be taught better internet safety, or have a parent or guardian watch what they do. Kids don't know what they're doing, and they either need to be a certain age to use the internet, or they need to offer classes in school discussing how to use it properly.
@@thymii Either by toxicity or by features that make it better for them but not the adults.
I know you most likely won’t see this Fit, but I REALLY appreciate you explaining that it’s not the developers fault. As someone who is pretty far into learning, it’s refreshing to know people understand this, even if it’s some people.
ikr. Mega corporations are behind this kind of crap. the devs at mojang are basically sitting at their computers with microsoft guns held to their heads being forced to do this lol.
At this point "Mojang" is just a name, it's just Microsoft now.
I completely agree here, Microsoft is ruining the game with this update. Unless it’s able to be turned on or off per server, I think the community needs to make it clear this needs to be removed.
even if thats the case it will ban you from every server as it disables the multiplayer button
@@blazmatic1216 lol if it disables the multiplayer button can't even play on LAN?
@@aaron-gz Yep, if you get banned because someone got butthurt and spamreported you for doing nothing wrong, you can't even play with friends on your local network anymore. As with most such ban systems, this is a huge overreach on what it should have an effect on. It should only have an effect on realms that choose to opt in / not opt out of it, and absolutely not on regular servers. But what it does instead is completely lock you out of all multiplayer.
You don't seriously think M$ gives a damn about the community right?
Well imma just stay in bedrock and make unlimited accounts lol
Microsoft taking the "No swearing in our Christian Minecraft server" a bit too seriously.
First, 1.9 now 1.19, history repeats itself
The unlucky 9
Soon 2.9
so true, i hate 1.9+. If they do the chat things on like 1.8, everyone will leave the game
1.29 will destroy the game
Geometry Dash
I can already see the modding community figuring out a way to bypass the bans
They did. Sadly it didn't work and the mods were taken down
The combination of the phrases "No appeal system" and "We have to consider ALL threats to be serious and credible" belongs in a George Orwell book, not the mouth of a spokesperson for a video game. And I can already think of a way to get around this with a server plugin where all chat isn't sent to the chat directly, but instead the server itself repeats everything people type and who typed it. So everyone can chat as normal, but the report function will only see messages from the server, not from any account.
this is actually a really good solution which would work :0
I'm pretty sure you've never read an orwell book
Hasn't hypixel already been doing that for a while?
@@LuluTheCorgi I’m pretty sure he did, I don’t know what type of taste you have in reading, but this is very accurate
@@LuluTheCorgi it's literally an example of authoritarianism, the main topic of Orwell's most famous book, it fits perfectly. If you've read it that is, and you clearly haven't.
If they are going to add moderation, at least add a way for servers to enable a form of “mature” server type where banned players can still join and reports are disabled.
Agreed, that would be the perfect compromise solution.
Or.. just have this report system gone by default and make it opt in for kids servers(never thought I'd say something so dumb)
yes yes, thats what i was thinking
This is what I thought.
I'm fine with this system in theory, but servers 100% need age ratings ("E," "T," & "M") if this is going to work in practice. Maybe servers should be able to turn off specific restrictions aside from a few like Child Sexual Exploitation, though I suppose displaying a list of what is and isn't allowed for every server is a bit much. Letter ratings are already pretty recognizable so that's probably the way to go.
I hope an online ban doesn't prevent you from playing with friends.
EDIT: You are banned from private worlds and even singleplayer for some versions!? According to many bedrock players they won't tell you why you were banned or even that you can appeal the ban. They don't even cancel your realms subscription automatically! Also, the mods seemingly go by "guilty until proven innocent."
Basically, even with age restrictions, the system will still be very flawed
The thing is minecraft is meant to be that one game where you can do whatever you want. Servers like 2b2t are prime example of this. But by adding the report system, not only is the 'feel' of minecraft ruined, but its just gonna backfire and lead to massive amounts of false reports and bans. Microsoft needs to remove this, or mainstream mods like Optifine need to add a feature that removed this system entirely.
Sadly, this is a question of profit. It's a question of power. The media giants are little different from the empires of history (or the modern empires, for that matter). They won't give in until they are torn apart from the inside by power struggles, go completely bankrupt, or succumb to invasion (not sure what the equivalent for a company would be. Probably a competitor?).
Things are still tolerable enough for me to use Windows myself, but my next computer is going to be a Linux first, with windows being demoted to a purely gaming device on it's own dedicated hard drive. I won't entirely abandon Windows until indie games gravitate towards linux.
Or, y'know, a mod could automatically report everyone on the current server whenever they send a chat message for every possible infraction, so it DDoS'es the reporting system
it seems like a perfect compromise to make a "microsoft protected server" pop-up when joining a server, and the ability for the server owner to change it. kinda like VAC protected servers by steam. games can use Valve Anti Cheat in their games, and if a player is banned, they are banned on all VAC protected servers and games. but you can still play non-VAC servers and games.
microsoft and their infinite wisdom...
@@r3dp9 I can garantee you that whichever game you're thinking of either already narively supports Linux, or has a way to run on it. Mainly via Wine and updated graphics drivers
@@woubulbus this configuration already exist.
Online-mode.
if true you can't use piracy Minecraft.
if false you can use it.
I'm worried about things like if someone asks how to get to spawn in someone says kill yourself, that will be seen as encouraging suicide in real life. The game was fine without this system. It's not necessary. Server admins should be the ones managing their own community. Imagine if Microsoft word spied on you like this.
Who says it doesn't?
"Imagine if Microsoft word spied on you like this." Don't give them ideas.
This was one thing I had always liked about Minecraft; it never had a system like this. Minecraft was the one game where you could do whatever you liked and didn't have to worry about having features taken from you, if you got banned from a server that was pretty much the extent. I feel this is going to deter people from using public servers in fear of having their ability to play online taken away completely. Mojang/Microsoft is so out of touch from the community it's unreal.
Microsoft, not mojang imho
I mean it's not even surprising. A multi-nation, multi-billion dollar company only cares for one thing and it's definitely not the community. I haven't played Minecraft since Notch sold it, but I can definitely see a drop in player count once they start rolling this feature. Absolutely sickening this is.
I've played Minecraft since 2011 and honestly I hate to see my favourite game like this now I've made the decision to never play modern versions unless I'm actually forced to because of Microsoft and Thier stupid additions to the game
yh its sad
@@Wp-jv5ed i wouldn't be surprised if microsoft forced you to play latest version, they're destroying the game
There is a simple fix. Instead of sending the report to microsoft. The report should go the server host. So they can apply there own server rules. It whould make anargie better.
The server host wont care
@@alex2005z says who?
@@alex2005z if they dont care than that must be because it doesnt break server rules, so if you dont like it you can quit. Microsoft should not be controlling the rules on private servers
That's actually a much better idea, It beats me that Microsoft wouldn't take that approach. It would do the same thing, and not require them to have chat moderators 24/7.
Yes
The actual solution would be for parents to flag their child's account as only being able to access moderated servers, but instead let's make everyone behave like villagers.
I cannot express the depths of my disgust with this feature so I won't bother.
Well said
Me too, abolsutely disgusting. I'm actually thinking about quitting Minecraft...
@@alphalance9408 already have moved on to other games, hope hytale makes minecraft look like a joke
Maybe i will make a new game like minecraft.
yeah this is probably gonna be the final move for me to quit minecraft. unless there is plugins and such that disable it
The scariest thing is the "false information" one with how often the lable "misinformation" gets used to censor things proven to be facts.
This reminds me of TH-cam where they are just so out of touch with their community that they make everyone disappointed and dissatisfied with their choices
In the attempt to please everyone, they pleased no one
yeah, it'll become just like TH-cam
because large companies think they can decide what's best for us
the age of internet freedom has ended guys
@@jgamer2228 attempting to please those who want to feel powefull, pleases no one but the people who don't care about you at all
@@jgamer2228 *pleased -∞ people
@@hargssgrah4738 "pleases no one but the people hate you"
Is more correct.
Self hosted servers should always be self moderated. The internet is the last bastion of true freedom in the modern day, and needs to be protected, regardless of what any company thinks will be profitable or create good pr. getting banned from playing the entire game, which you paid for, on servers you may be paying for yourself, is far too much overreach for microsoft to have.
On an update before Microsoft even had control...
@@wilbursoderberg9533 on a change they plan to make, and have no given no plans to change? I fail to see your point, if no one talks about it, microsoft will do it regardless of whether anyone agrees with the change. The absolute state of all of their software proves this.
Exactly
Internet hasn't been free in years dude. I could have agree'd with you 10-15 years ago. Corporations have killed the free internet and will continue to ruin it for everyone for the sake of a few cents.
Everything Microsoft touches gets destroyed eventually (i.e., Halo, Skype, now Minecraft) It's insane how EULA's are considered "contracts" even though a real contract is a meeting of the minds discussing and negotiating. It's not an agreement if you are required to accept to play. It's anti-consumer on purpose letting companies and corporations having an iron grip on any product people own.
They're even proudly saying they'd rather ban 100 innocent people than let a single rulebreaker get away. For a policy meant to make the experience family friendly it ironically reminds me of the modus operandi of a certain german police force you would surely get banned for mentioning
That's how you know it's not about keeping the community safe lol
And the exact opposite of first president of the united states George Washington
It's about social control, and social engineering. Just like basically all social media platforms.
this, they dont mind banning 100 innocent, becouse they know most of them will just buy a new account to continue playing. Its a win win situation for microsoft. It truly shows the old generation of business has been changed with the new. The new only thinks about makng big bucks fast, and completly ignore the long game.
@@lisa_moonless317 yes I completely agree, also TH-cam censored your comment from public view so that means ot must be the truth
Banned on my own single player world from calling a creeper a child Predator in a book :)
For real?
Fr.
I heard about something like this happening in Amazon's "New World".
When people realized that accounts just get autobanned after enough reports come in for them, players started spamming reports against their rivals.
Its been happening since the start of automated reporting systems. Seriously anybody who supports such systems is just being willfully ignorant they are full of too many problems to work.
Reminds me of that one Overwatch Widowmaker Main that coulsnt que cuz everyone reported him.
@High Lord Baron Just imagine it, I was the Top "Thaumcraft" user in a Modded Server and someone unleashs a everspreading plague at spawn outskirts and nuked spawn.
I join the day of and died 30 times to put on Quantum Boots to help clean up the mess AND since it using something from a mod not alot use... they blame me for it?
Left that instant.
Reminds me of the old CS:GO reporting system with reportbots instabanning, good times
I’m really getting tired of companies in general pretending to have a moral compass and deciding what is and isn’t ok for people to say and do.
They say they want to avoid backlash, but they are getting the very thing they claim to avoid
I ever thought about it like that. They’re acting like they care, meanwhile they sell our personal data and know literally everything about us.
well said bro
Why do you think coporations ever care about us anyway? they sell our data online and know everything about us anyway. Yet there is still no government intervention
It’s all to attract investment under the ESG score system.
They LITERALLY gave trolls the ultimate weapon
poo
yup
Yeah...
Hope there won’t be a day when we’ll have to say “Remember when Minecraft was the game where “no one can tell you what you can or cannot do” was true?”.
It is already that day my friend. True freedom is no more
unless java single player or old versions
@@MrPromethium0157 So they can tell you not to play multiplayer unless you talk like - let's make a zoomer reference - the smooth, clean spongebob.
Didn't notice this in the migration :( even outside of places like 2B this could be abused in so many false ways. Thanks for bringing awareness to it for those of us who didn't notice, Fit. Hope you all stay safe out there!
Yeah this could be a good thing, but only if the action is taken only in a serious offense i.e. telling somebody to kill themselves and etc, otherwise it's so easily abusable
FLOOD THE SYSTEM WITH FALSE REPORTS
Yeah, imagine how bad it will be on somewhere like Hypixel. One butthurt bed wars player could ruin someone’s entire game.
@@theknightikins9397 LITERally or you say "ima come kill you in a 1v1" banned
iver aint no way you just said that
If this is implemented badly, this could genuinely be beginning of the end for Minecraft. A lot of people play MC to hang out with friends, and being suddenly told that you talk about weed or swear will genuinely break the experience.
if you are playing only to play with friends than just use an out of game chat or a private server.
With friends you can talk all fo that because they will not report
@@itsnatemate7697 lol "skype"
I mean most chat in small servers is relegated to Discord and other voice chat programs already, so it won’t effect small group servers. But for big servers it could very negatively effect the experience
@@paul_particularlyunhappynut What??
You know anarchy players are going to spam report their enemies so this is an outrageous idea by Microsoft
hopefully the report spam would get so overwhelming that trying to run the system becomes too much work to make sense paying employees for but that could be unlikely to end up being the case
not even anarchy players alone would do it, I can see tons of people doing it
Even outside anarchy this is a problem since the servers are probably out of the loop for these reports
@@ixorix There will almost certainly be clients with a report spammer, these new rules are a terrible idea.
Or better yet, use scripts to mass report people at inhuman speeds
Those rules we're terrible, but there's something worse. PERMANT BAN FOR SAYING "/Time set Night"
The worst part is: you are forced to migrate. Or at least I was.
The game literally would not let me log in via Mojang, whenever I tried it would tell me to migrate my account to continue.
If that's true then you should sue. Small claims, the cost of the game when you bought it, plus inflation. Will cost m$ more money to send their lawyers, and you can sell your story to any gaming news publisher or TH-camr to pour more fuel on the fire.
Same here. Does no one remember the fact that they wanted to shut down unmigrated Mojang accounts? if you didnt migrate, you couldn't play. Additionally, migrating made me lose one of my accounts to a bug which made neither Mojang nor Microsoft able to recover it, and they did nothing about the bug other than tell me I cant get the account back and have to get a new one. RIP Opallion.
@@5ONAL1TY I deleted my account when I couldn't play anymore. You're telling me they reversed the requirement to migrate to play? Whatever, 11 years with Minecraft was good enough for my $30.
They literally locked my og mc account cause I couldn't/didnt migrate...
@@CosmeAcajor You can still migrate, I think... maybe. I don't know me and my friend migrated prior to the stuff.
I said this on another video but basically, I think there should be "verified" servers, where the owners agree to Mojang's rules, so everyone (especially parents) can be absolutely clear on which servers are public, safe for kids and moderated & endorsed by Mojang; and which ones are private, and moderated by the judgement of it's operators.
I mean, there is.
@@matthewboyer4212 wdym
all servers are required to follow mojang's rules & community guidelines
@@KutGut servers should be completely private. regulating a server should be up to it's owner, not mojang, because the server is private. mojang shouldn't have any access to what is in the server, because the server is private. so if the server doesn't follow mojang's rules & community guidelines, they would have no way of knowing or doing anything about it, because the server is private.
you have to agree with mojang's EULA to be able to turn on your server so yeah, basically all servers agree
Any company talking about 'safety' on the internet is a massive red flag. Seriously. Even if this 'feature' is used the way it is intended, which is already highly unlikely, there's no company I would trust with deciding what kinds of behavior are 'acceptable', especially not Micro$oft.
It's for the avoidance of liability, lawsuits and all that.
@@adamthomson922 Lawsuit for what? Because some nobody called another nobody a bad name and because of how thin skinned one of them is, he commits seppuku over what some nobody said about him? Karen's can sue all they want, If I were the developer of a game, I'm not responsible with how people choose to behave within the world/game I've created, especially because nothing I made in the game promotes people's shitty behavior towards one another, so why should I feel responsible?
@@VulpinetideCuteTimes0w0 I don't disagree with you, but shit like that happends to companies especially in countries where it's easy to file lawsuits like USA. It's still Microsoft who's selling the product for XBOX, PC and Mac and when it comes to consumer protection it is indeed a valid case to file a lawsuit against a company. And also do not forget the Child Protection Act, which also forced TH-cam to take measures that were appropriate. I think this shit sucks too, they're clearly not doing it for the safety of their consumers but for the safety of their money, and that's also why my point still stands.
@@adamthomson922 Than why can't they just separate mature platforms and Kids platforms?
I'm pretty sure there are things they can write down in their policy's or terms of use that can make them less liable if anything illegal happens, which in that case it be police departments job or the fbi to track the person down, and the companies responsibility to take the images or conversations down.
Companies shouldn't be responsible for terrible parenting too. I mean, isn't that why we have ratings? A parent can't sue a company after realizing they bought a rated M game for their 10yo, because it was the parent's responsibility to know or ask what the rating is, or the game seller to explain what the rating is if they don't understand. What would be the point of the rating system if I could just sue a company for letting children play rated M games?
@@VulpinetideCuteTimes0w0 Look, terrible lawsuits are still filed and won and instead of taking the difficult route; companies do what is most cost effective, it's a business! no matter how stupid this shit is. And again, Child Protection Act is still something relevant too.
When the social screen and blocking players were initially introduced, I was very against it, I hated it. Now the (hopefully) full extent of those social “features” are revealed.
As the owner of a small server, I would block joins from any version with this feature and even use plugins that disable it.
I think Microsoft is overstepping their boundaries here. I've been playing this game since beta 1.4 and I've seen some controversial changes over the years such as the combat update. But this change is a whole 'nother animal and it doesn't sit well with me. And what bothers me the most is no matter how big the backlash is I highly doubt it will matter. I feel like the minecraft community is just yelling into the wind
They overstepped their “boundary” when they bought Mojang back in 2014. Microsoft is treating the Minecraft IP like a cash cow, and they will continue to do so. At the end of the day, MSFT doesn’t know their audience and never has.
@@legozfordayz I guess it'll be up to server owners and players to stick to 1.18.2 and lower versions now. There are servers still running on 1.7.10 after all.
I can easily accept a bad content update. What I absolutely cannot accept is overt violation of my privacy.
@@mayravixx25 Dude i still play 1.12.2 because the mod thaumcraft was never updated XD
As long as Big Daddy Microsoft doesn't affect the perfect G-Rated microtransaction-ridden buggy cross-platform cash cow they call "Bedrock Edition", they won't give two shits.
Another thing about the so called “moderators” is that there can and will be issues with language barriers. Personally I don’t play Minecraft often, but I do play Roblox which has a similar report system to what Microsoft has added. I’ve experienced multiple times that these moderators are not in the same country that a majority of players are. They moderators will often be from third world countries where the native language is not English. I’ve known people to get screwed over because of something they made or said was lost in translation, and the moderator was completely unaware that what they said was actually okay.
tldr: If Microsoft outsources their moderation (which I 100% think they will) there will be even more issues with their “moderation” system.
or when a language happens to have words *similar* to English profanity.
Oh, out of topic but have you seen Roblox's moderation system. They are a billion dollar company and I get banned for a shirt with a bird on it. However, I see people finding ways to curse and be offensive on there NON STOP! Also, their moderation team is in India.
It’s also a problem if the moderators ONLY speak English. There’s a ton of words in other languages that look like English swears or slurs, as well as slurs in other languages that would looks completely inconspicuous to an English speaker
Reminds me of japanese players on Apex Legends got banned for saying "run" in japanese
@@koolaidman5661 I'm buddy-buddy with a couple people who are in this sort of "bypassing" community on Roblox who manage to put very.... interesting pictures onto Roblox. Trust me, they definitely use bots. For the pictures at least. There's no way any competent moderator would let those images pass and even with visual distortion effects (that go away when overlayed on a certain colour), it's not too hard to make out the image itself. Although it's not very easy to come across these images, the fact that it can be put onto Roblox in the first place is inexcusable if the company wants to keep their kiddie-friendly look.
Imagine if they added the “Report Server” option. That would mean the end of anarchy servers.
Trololololololo, trololo
not unlikely when they already did it for players i guess
if they let pay2win servers slide all the time, I doubt they'd care enough to implement that feature in the first place
@@FrostedGeulleisia with the current political agenda it's probably much more likely that they go after things that aren't politically correct, instead of people scamming children of their money (which Microsoft is quite good at themselves at in Bedrock now that I think about it).
They should've done this instead of the report player
Another plus for the old players of minecraft, that plays the 1.12.2 version or under. Ive played minecraft since 2017 and i still kinda like the older versions
Next update:
"We disabled the option to hurt and kill animals since we want to keep our game family friendly and violence-free, also villagers will no longer trade with you unless they are in an open space since we don't support slavery"
_- sincerely, Microsoft_
I hate how this could actually happen. Next up, WE REMOVED SWORDS BECAUSE THEY ARE VIOLENT
We remove piglins from the game, because they can turn into a zombie, and it's very hurtful thing to do for living beings. We remove zombies because corpses aren't family friendly. We remove creepers because they promote terrorism. We remove bats because they spread covid. We remove all enemies because they can hurt player, if player is a kid, it's count as childe abuse. We remove mining and crafting because if player is a kid, it counts as childe labor.
@@anastasiaalimova5452 We will be removing Minecraft from all platforms showing it is not a child friendly game
"Violence-free"
There goes my nitwit villager "relocator"
Honestly, I sometimes fear that they may actually discourage the killing of animals that provide like they did wit dolphins, goats, turtles, etc.
I personally am the most concerned about Microsoft's attempt to completely seize control of in-game moderation for themselves. As you stated in the video, it clearly hints towards them not trusting Minecraft's playerbase in managing their own servers and their attitude is inevitably going to lead towards centralization of power. Once again, we learn that communities function the best when they govern themselves, and aren't controlled in a suspiciously paranoid fashion by higher authorities. Let's just hope that Minecraft does not share Roblox's fate...
i guess its inevitable at this point, and it's just idiotic.
I just spent an hour censoring a comment for TH-cam showing exactly how these rules can be taken out of context and it doesn’t even show as a reply here because it’s still shadow banned proving my point exactly
This comment has 3 replies but doesn’t show my last one
Hate speech: the only good creeper is a *not alive* creeper ( this was shadow banned by TH-cam 8 times because I used the D word)
Terrorism or violent extremism: I’m going to go over there and Minecraft mob creeper powder + sand your village (shadow banned by TH-cam 7 times for using the B UP word...8 times now for using “TNT up”...9 times for using creeper powder + sand)
Child sexual exploitation or abuse: hey *player175* come over here and milk my cows and trim my sweet berry bushes while I watch (the joke is anyone playing could be 12 and has been like that for a decade but nobody cared)
Imminent harm - Threat to harm others: *See 1*
Non consensual intimate imagery: hey *player175* LOOK AT MY PIXEL ART THE GAME ALLOWED ME TO MAKE
Harassment or bullying: I’m gonna keep spawn trapping you until you rage quit
Profanity: Damn that took a long time to build my ass is burnt out
Defamation IMPERSONATION false information: hey guys look I’m Notch I got the notch skin
Imminent harm - Self harm or suicide: Guys I’m lost I think I’m just gonna not food my self or underwater myself to get back (shadow banned by TH-cam for Star** and dro** word)
Nudity or prawn: hey guys look I downloaded this funny pixel skin off the Minecraft website. Look those 4 pixels are his D (literally the name gets this deleted I’m guessing)
Extreme violence or gore: hey guys I made this realistic pixel art of a creeper out of dry cement let’s blow it up and watch the insides fly everywhere
Drugs or alcohol: Finally I was able to mix the right ingredients to make this SPEED 2 now I just need to brew up some Nausea to put on my arrow tips (isn’t a beer mug actually In the experimental version or am I thinking of terraria)
SO DUMB IVE BEEN PLAYING MINECRAFT SINCE I WAS 11 AND THERES BEEN MODERATORS ON EVERY SERVER UNLESS I SPECIFICALLY WENT TO ONE THAT DIDN’T OR DIDN’T CARE *BECAUSE ITS A PIXEL GAME*
The golden age of the internet is truly over
Before i could go anywhere on any game any website and people would be free to do whatever or say whatever or joke about whatever or anything
That’s what made it amazing because nobody had to be real but now everywhere and everything expects you to take things on the internet as serious as real life it’s the dumbest shit ever
First thing I thought when I heard this was that Minecraft is now roblox
Microsoft Dev 1: Soviet Union time?
Microsoft Dev 2: Yes, comrade, Soviet Union time.
4:42 "Threat to harm others" If you say "I'm going to kill you" In Minecraft and someone thinks they mean real life despite the fact that the threatening player is currently equipping their strongest enchanted netherite gear, they could find themselves banned for "Imminent harm" without the proper context.
why would you say that to someone tho
The "in Minecraft" meme brought to its logical conclusion - that actually committing violence in Minecraft will get you punished.
@@fulltimeslackerii8229 i mean, if im going to kill someone in minecraft, i'll say it
The probpem is that the reverse is also too
@@fulltimeslackerii8229 What if they stole the dead bush you keep in a vault in your basement then? Can you not punish them because that would be committing harm? It's been even a special challenge to be a pacifist in the past, if Microsoft makes it necessary for you not to offend anyone, you're basically being forced into a communist state where nothing is yours, and if you say or act against that notion someone could falsely report you.
I foresee the "2B2T Profanity War" on the horizon. Players strategically banning other players using the new feature or just trolling. This is gonna get hectic.
2b2t will avoid adding this feature because it ruins the server’a premise and keep on 1.18 or use the mod.
The only way this is going to work is if Mojang gives server owners the ability to chose to implement this feature or not. Otherwise many large servers wont update past 1.19.0 or their comunity will change quite a lot (not sure if in the good direction or not)
the only way i could see this being a good idea if the report system never left the server files and it just be something the admin could chose to do what they want with it the second Microsoft starts banning people from playing on a server that they're not even hosting they will see massive amounts of preassure to change it back
@@LilyArgyle Yeah exactly. But this could also affect lan worlds, small servers with friends and especially realms. And the punishment, as mojang said, is even worse (Banned from Multiplayer and realms, temporarily or even permanently)
There's spigot plugins and mods luckily
people can just report you via a third party website. Since everyone is forced to use a microsoft account now people can go and report users now via microsofts own store no matter the version you are in. The migration made it to where EVERYONE now has to deal with this no matter the version
@@lolilikedragons3528 complete bs
I’ve already started coding a mod/feature to bypass this, although that there are already mods on curseforge and other types that block the system, I’m making a whole new system that not only doesn’t have the report feature in, but can also let anyone play on any version, I really hope this goes well
Edit: The mod is up and running, but will be private for me just for testing, I’ll post the link to it when I’m finished
NEW UPDATE: it’s been so long, I finally got it working and set it up, and I posted The link on Reddit, discord, and other types of platforms on an alt account and when I logged in an hour later and to my surprise, they were all either removed from the platform, or were deleted and I was banned from the server/community that I posted the link to, and one of the accounts on Reddit was banned and I didn’t have access to it anymore because Microsoft I guess did some thing with Reddit and banned me, I don’t really want my TH-cam account to get canceled by Microsoft or something, so I might just delete this comment as this many likes and comments a lot of people are just gonna want the link and since my link is basically been deleted from all platforms I don’t feel like it’s necessary to keep this coming up. If you guys want me to delete this, just reply and say yes and I might as well just do it
Multiconnect, viaversion?
i wish you luck, will be downloading something like that when it comes out
I will download
cant wait for it to come out
add the option for send no data aswell pls
One of the problems I have with this feature is that if you break the rules on a server with signed messages on, you get banned from ALL servers, also the ones that have it off.
On top of this, only the newer versions support this and major minecraft servers support cross version so they are forced to disable signed messages.
This feature will only work on a select few servers, it's basically just microsoft virtue signalling to worried parents.
EDIT:
I think a better solution is to add verified servers (whatever they decide that that means) and that parents can decide of their children are allowed to play on "unverified" servers.
It would be microsoft virtue signalling to worried parents, if the thing they're signalling were a virtue.
solution: just permanantly disable multiplayer on minecraft globally
i think maybe the verified servers should be left on bedrock edition
java edition should just be normal Minecraft
@@indeepjable or Microsoft could start charging money for multiplayer capability
@@indeepjable don't give them any ideas...
Imagine someone suddenly getting banned but not having used chat in years. If this happens to me, I'll be very upset.
The whole reason I play on Java is because it's not supposed to be like bedrock.
However, with every update, they just seem to get more similar. I was kinda mad when I was required to merge my Microsoft account, because if I wanted to sign up with a Microsoft account I would've bought bedrock.
I feel like they're trying to phase out Java altogether.
They are, Microsoft is trying to get people to play bedrock because it is more profitable for them
@@Thunderpulse remember bedrock? They have paid mods. Sure, they arnt CALLED mods, but they are mods. Say goodbye to minecraft java, cause creativity is going down the dump!
it's coming, the only reason they haven't yet is because TH-cam creators bring in lots of sales
I basically stopped playing Minecraft once Microsoft bought it. It could be I'm getting older too but yeah it's going downhill.
I remember when they used to say Java and Bedrock were never EVER going to merge... Shame that everything is saying otherwise.
Video games were once an escape from reality, but now they are a mirror of it.
Bro Fax
Read communist writers, and they talk about the "necessity of removing every escape from politics" in order to "support the revolution".
Read what evil people say about their own tactics and the world makes a lot more sense.
My least favorite part about all this is that you weren't given a choice whether to migrate your account or not. If you wanted to keep playing the game you had to migrate the account, which takes Microsoft's control too far for my comfort
Same. Might just have to stick with older server versions where the client won't have that button.
"here are our new terms of service! you don't have to accept them, but if you dont, you won't be able to play the game you payed 30 dollars for"
how is this legal??
bro if they implement this then my already declining Minecraft gameplay will go right to zero. I know and fully agree that it is an amazing game and ppl love it but we need to take a strike or boycott the game or something. everything after the 1.16 update is just killing the game
It’s also illegal. When purchasing a software license, a company may not revoke your ability to use it (on hardware it was known to run) at any time, for any reason.
@@RealTallestSkil That doesn't make sense, then how have banning systems in multiplayer games been implemented for multiple decades, and yet it isn't illegal?
Big corporations don't want freedom of speech. A game where anyone and everyone can get on and speak to anyone else on the platform freely is a major danger to established ideologies. It's not about the safety of individuals
Their logo is literally a hate symbol that pushes sexuality to children. they have no moral ground its all for control.
"Nothing you like about minecraft will change"
Last words before disaster
Nice joke
LMAO
@@strlke thanks
Been a lie since 2017
@@makaveliba4243 huh🤨🤧
that kinda reminds me of when the berlin wall was built in the former gdr. before, the chief of the gdr at that time said yea we wont build a wall and then they did it.
That's ridiculous for Minecraft to do this. Minecraft is meant to be free to do stuff and sandbox for you to create the rules and the only rules were gameplay like "Never dig straight down" not chatplay
Exactly
Progress
I think you meant Microsoft but yea true
not Minecraft or Mojang
Microsoft
@@momma_bal Unfortunately I have the feeling they are becoming just as rotten, these days. It doesn't take much for someone in the company to completely abandon the core of the game and its community, and for it to spread into upper management.
When I first heard of this I didnt even think of 2b2t. I just thought about freedom of play on a game you bought. I could totally see this being abused on anarchy servers to essentially assassinate people.
Oh for sure. 2B2T isn't the only victim. Playing multiplayer on bedrock is just sad. No nice chatting, any actual chatting is toxic. And people get reported all the time.
My favorite part about this was migrating my account not because I agreed with anything Microsoft was doing. Or because I really wanted to. It was because they put a metaphorical gun to my head by threatening the deletion of my account if I didn't do it before a certain date. Very cool
This sounds like the same people who complain about T bagging in FPS games as being "sexual assault", but are not concerned about everyone running around violently killing eachother with weapons in a virtual world.
this aged well lol
Teabag is a word you can’t say tho
@@CO0L_CAT
Why not?
@@CO0L_CAT aww crap i cant make tea anymore
@@Battleborn357 idk
Microsoft needs to understand that the community has always been Minecraft's most important pillar and they can't take away control from them and expect not to have backlash. Anyways, if Microsoft cared even a bit about the Minecraft community, they'd know that every single tool given can also be used as a weapon, expecially if it involves preventing people from joining online servers
I just spent an hour censoring a comment for TH-cam showing exactly how these rules can be taken out of context and it doesn’t even show as a reply here because it’s still shadow banned proving my point exactly
This comment has 2 replies but doesn’t show my last one
Hate speech: the only good creeper is a *not alive* creeper ( this was shadow banned by TH-cam 8 times because I used the D word)
Terrorism or violent extremism: I’m going to go over there and Minecraft mob creeper powder + sand your village (shadow banned by TH-cam 7 times for using the B UP word...8 times now for using “TNT up”...9 times for using creeper powder + sand)
Child sexual exploitation or abuse: hey *player175* come over here and milk my cows and trim my sweet berry bushes while I watch (the joke is anyone playing could be 12 and has been like that for a decade but nobody cared)
Imminent harm - Threat to harm others: *See 1*
Non consensual intimate imagery: hey *player175* LOOK AT MY PIXEL ART THE GAME ALLOWED ME TO MAKE
Harassment or bullying: I’m gonna keep spawn trapping you until you rage quit
Profanity: Damn that took a long time to build my ass is burnt out
Defamation IMPERSONATION false information: hey guys look I’m Notch I got the notch skin
Imminent harm - Self harm or suicide: Guys I’m lost I think I’m just gonna not food my self or underwater myself to get back (shadow banned by TH-cam for Star** and dro** word)
Nudity or prawn: hey guys look I downloaded this funny pixel skin off the Minecraft website. Look those 4 pixels are his D (literally the name gets this deleted I’m guessing)
Extreme violence or gore: hey guys I made this realistic pixel art of a creeper out of dry cement let’s blow it up and watch the insides fly everywhere
Drugs or alcohol: Finally I was able to mix the right ingredients to make this SPEED 2 now I just need to brew up some Nausea to put on my arrow tips (isn’t a beer mug actually In the experimental version or am I thinking of terraria)
SO DUMB IVE BEEN PLAYING MINECRAFT SINCE I WAS 11 AND THERES BEEN MODERATORS ON EVERY SERVER UNLESS I SPECIFICALLY WENT TO ONE THAT DIDN’T OR DIDN’T CARE *BECAUSE ITS A PIXEL GAME*
The golden age of the internet is truly over
Before i could go anywhere on any game any website and people would be free to do whatever or say whatever or joke about whatever or anything
That’s what made it amazing because nobody had to be real but now everywhere and everything expects you to take things on the internet as serious as real life it’s the dumbest shit ever
Incorrect assumption.
Correction; Mojang is.
Mojang is the main source of revenue, without which the rest of the community would suffer.
While the community IS a (singular), yet rather important pillar for Minecraft, the actual hard-work should be attributed to Mojang, since said company is the only one which both advertises, and regularly updates the game.
Think of Minecraft as a whole (Mojang, Microsoft, Community, Modders, Etc) as an ecosystem or a tulip (it makes this easier to understand).
Mojangs' work attracts new players through advertisement and yearly updates, which give a steady influx of free revenue for Modmakers, while renewing interest, which allows Content creators to get more content for their videos.
Mojang is the Tulip, the new updates and Ads are the flower, with Content creators being the pollinators.
If there is no Mojang, there are no new updates, which means no advertisement, which means no Content creators, which in turn starves Modmakers, and thus reduces interest.
This is a negative feedback loop that slowly kills interest in the game. While Modmakers may subsist upon a dwindling population of consumers, they won't manage to do it for long, and thus will eventually die out.
Plus, Modmakers are incompetent at filling in the shoes of the company that was in charge. Modmakers are not good at advertising, nor bugfixing, nor resource management. Any mod that dares to even attempt to fill in Mojangs long shadow, will be utterly crushed by the sheer responsibility needed.
It's a balancing act that should never be thrown off-course.
I was afraid of this cuz I have seen other games ruining like that.Welp there goes my favourite game I guess
@@Jinx07 I swear, when i first heard about these new changes I knew what was going to happen and almost cried out of anger
As an ex moderator, what i have to say. Good moderation takes a lot of effort. To consider context and find out if someone is not telling truth. That requires time, concentration and effort. Minecraft is played by millions of players, there are going to be massive amount of reports, especially in the first days. Moderators are people and they get tired, they are not perfect and under a high pressure. If someone going to report message "lets blow up a ", most likely Moderators are going to use default action. Either "thats a minecraft, people blow up stuff all the time" or "that could be a real threat, ban". And they will go with default quick response that error costs less.
What i am saying, this will be abused as hell
unless they arent human.
@@Wyatt125 *Roblox, enters the scene*
@@LevenLappi HA
i remember getting banned in roblox 2 year
Ago for saying "damn dude"
And most people that moderate are likely over-worked, underpaid, and will just take the complaint at it's word and ban someone on first glance. I can see that happening.
Exactly, servers have their own moderators and this decentralization makes moderation a lot easier and better compared to a centralized report system.
i have the feeling that the more blunders Microsoft makes,
soon someone will make a spiritual successor of Minecraft, or a "pirated" fork on the deep web.
There's got to be some kind of class-action lawsuit that could come from this.
For people who bought the game in the beta, the deal was $13 once, and you keep the game forever.
But now they have basically held your copy of the game hostage until you agree to some new set of ToS which you need to accept to keep your game.
So, assume someone chooses to decline it, they could say that their rightfully owned property was stolen from them.
Me personally, I'll just be pirating the game if/when I ever get banned for something slightly spicy. The only Microsoft product I use is an Xbox controller, and even then it's been collecting dust for a while now.
Well if i get banned for some reason i will simply never touch this game again. It's just going downhill every update
I'm so glad I haven't migrated my original account and am using new accounts I bought.
This does suck alot, however, legally speaking, you only paid for the older versions, which are still playable without adding this feature, so I believe that nothing can be done technically
@@Smalllbuddy No, you can't log into the launcher until you migrate over your account. meaning you don't have access to any of your old worlds or installations without agreeing to the ToS
Holy shit I just wrote out the exact same comment without seeing yours. Meaning our memories of what was advertised to us are the same. At least in Alpha, and possibly beta, it was a full on all-updates guarantee with no possibly of excluding future updates/services.
The fact that they consider banning an innocent player a "false positive" tells you everything you need to know
Yep.. its the sad truth
Apparently guilty until proven innocent has become a trend or something
@@i30 worse than that, actually. guilty until proven guilty, because there's no appeal process.
Of course, they are commies!
You need to prove the burden of Innocent while having no way to defend yourself... simple to their "elevated, big brain" eyes.. hard for actual sane people.
Skype used to have call centers to dispute conflicts between the users and the product. After bought by Microsoft, they removed the call centers and replaced it with automated voice actors. Now even if there is an overcharge or a bug in Skype that wiped my credit, there is nowhere to appeal to.
This needs an immediate and overwhelming response on our end, because once a policy like this is in... it won't leave...
Large companies and companies in general aren't going to listen to an audience that is determined as children or teenagers concerning moderation. What they will listen to however, is stake-holders and finances because if people start leaving then they will be forced to change or the game closes. Because of the popularity of this game, that is less likely. This would have been a much different situation if the minecraft source-code was an open-source instead of now being owned by Microsoft.
@@pocketpixie6525 all it would really take is microsoft pushing changes that would make it take less effort to play a bootleg minecraft, and then every big and small mc youtuber would tell their audience how to play the bootleg and then microsoft comes in crying for everyone to play again
@@bmprimer7809 Or better yet, Let the world burn for man's greed. Since we cannot fix what we already broke
a chat plugin is being made to disable this and it will almost definitely be popular
@@jangamecuber the thing is that developers already took measures against this! If you tamper with the reporting or the chat, they will get a notification in their systems, risking you your account
I remember being on a server with a somewhat overzealous censoring system. Writing 'grass' or 'glass' would have the last three letter censored guess what common denominator is. Imagine a system like that across Minecraft?
It sounds rather similar to the "You have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide" concept.