My brother was convicted of child molestation. There was more than one victim, one of them a young relative. My mother absolutely refused to believe he was guilty. It tore the extended family apart. My mother insisted everyone in the family believe in his innocence, including my uncle whose daughter was one of the victims. The family relationships were destroyed.
I was abused by my older cousin. I wasn't the only one. Legally he got off scot free but when it comes to the family, it completely destroyed relationships between the extended groups
Dude.... what a kick to the balls. What a shattering of the soul. My brother is my best friend and bjj training partner. Hes still a virgin though at 26. Im not worried I know hes not a sicko. I really wish i could get him involved with a good woman. There are alot of women shacking up with chomos because they are the judges, lawyers, supervisors and have the car and house on the hill. Its sad but true. This world rewards evil. I dont understand it
@joceja23Should I say "If someone had made child porn of her child, she wouldn't be asking for alternatives to jail time?", does that make it better for you?
@@MsMak03, Maybe, but if we treat viewing child pornography and committing sexual violence against a child equivalently then there would be no reason for a criminal to distinguish it either and go for the worse of the two. After all, they end up getting the same or worse of a punishment for viewing/owning CP, why not just act on their urges all-together? They may even get less prison time.
She called abuse of children, “something stupid”. And is able to see her ADULT son as a “child” but not legitimate victims i.e. CHILDREN! Well… I’d like to know how long the mess she raised is off the streets.
How creepy is it that you are defending the pedo in this situation and the only thing on your page is a little girls cheerleading competition 🤢 @TommyB1004
Jon was right it's way more to this story then she's telling. He wouldn't be receiving five or more years in prison one ONE text. This situation was on going
He must have had contact with a distributor online, the distributor was tracked by IP address and the investigators had a digital audit trail for the files being sent to him and they found it on his phone and such.
She’s distraught right now, shocked, put yourself in her situation. Everyone handles situations differently. Give her time to think straight, perhaps counseling.
I don’t wish the consequences of his crime on anyone, but he is going to experience what being a victim is like for the next 5 years or less. I hope the boy gets counselling in prison, hopefully stays safe, and gets his life together
Obviously this requires some nuance. Mental disabilities, including autism, can affect one’s judgement and rationale. Mental disabilities also allow others to take advantage of their reduced cognition in this area. Someone sent him these images. He didn’t request them. Why are you overly willing to acknowledge the lack of understanding of disabilities and how people with disabilities are regularly misunderstood and convicted for crimes they didn’t play a part in or didn’t understand their role in. I don’t think you understand autism. I don’t think you recognize how people with disabilities are used as scapegoats for crimes. You clearly do not know anyone with a mental disability. Do better!
I'm autistic. Don't use that as an excuse. This 18 year old was at college - if he's capable of going off to college, he has the expectation of being a responsible adult. Knock it off with this.
@@JRB568people with disabilities have to follow the law, too. Yes I have more than one, love people with others, and work in the field. I once worked with a man who functioned cognitively like a four year old. We made sure than man knew how horrific and illegal things like this are. BECAUSE we knew he was vulnerable. It’s not a justification.
I don't think that's what she meant..... She is clearly buying into the narrative that this was some external misfortunes that befell her little boy - something that happened _to_ him, instead of something he did. In that story, autism is perfectly relevant, because something something vulnerable, trusting, naive scapegoat, fewer friends, susceptible to social pressure etc.etc. Which is 100% not what happened, but I can understand why she'd need to believe that for the foreseeable future.
And you also have to acknowledge that autistic people can also commit crimes and knowing they are on the spectrum helps us understand the mind of the criminal.
There's different levels of autism though... There's autism where it makes things challenging and there's autism where it makes things close to impossible
@@hmmm2564 no. We obviously don't know the details of the case fully so it's hard to say one way or the other but one of the key struggles with autism is social interaction. Kid was sent CP online. He could have desperately trying to fit in not knowing the severity of the situation because nobody could have explained it to him before. His mom said he is mentally on the level of a young teen. I've heard countless stories of 16-18 year old autistic students being into 12-14 year olds..now obviously if the photos were of 5 year olds that would be a different story. Too much we don't know
The only victim is the child who was abused. That’s it. Anyone who abuses a child should be shunned from society. Jail sounds like a perfect fit for his crime.
Yep! Shunned and labeled with red flags. I Check the sex offender site all the time to protect my own child in our neighborhood/community. There are so many! It’s disgusting.
Facing this right now, my stepson is in jail for this. My wife has accepted it, but is willing to listen he was set up, and my wife has had these same excuses. I’m sure now she realizes the crime, and I’ve told her I feel more sorry for the children, than my stepson.
Do you wish that you had never married your wife and become a stepfather? Did your stepson exhibit any concerning or alarming behaviors in the past? Was your wife too lenient with your stepson growing up?
I hate the “he was set up” excuse. Because if that was true he’d have reported it to the authorities immediately, they’d have gotten to the actual perpetrator through him, and he wouldn’t have been punished. But for some people it’s better to buy into clear lies rather than accept the wrong of their child.
@@proudatheist2042 no, about my wife. Yes he did, I did my best to help him. I am a retired Marine, she didn’t like my discipline. Forward 2 months, she now agrees with me.
Yeah and is your stepson autistic willing to bet he is so what do you think about those apples willing to make you a thousand dollar bet your stepson is autistic once again you don't know what you're talking about if he is autistic that is
It’s hard not to roll my eyes when listening to this mother minimize what her son had in possession. Reminds me of people who’d rather look the other way when they know of a child being abused. John did an awesome job redirecting her to see that crimes must be punished. And for her to suggest that all he needs is to not have internet access VS putting him in prison said it all.
exactly! first, you dont get a 5yrs sentence for receiving by mistake a CP text. Secondly, nobody just stumble upon CP, you have to deeply seek it out. Nobody that you meet in a chat room will just send you CP thats ridiculous.
@@AC-mp7cx He actively sought out this material and paid for it - in the end, having sought out this material and made friends with others who wanted this material, he paid money for the material and downloaded 30 files of it not realizing his friend had already been arrested and he was now talking to the FBI. That is the reason for the charges and sentencing - this is not an image that just showed up on his phone. He downloaded Kik, used the app to find a chat room of individuals trading in this material, engaged in the dissemination of the material, then purchased and downloaded more of the material.
I don’t know, I’m having a hard time judging her. How could you possibly relate in any way to how she must be feeling? Her brain needs some time to process and catch up. Here’s this person she loves most in the world, would do anything for. She’s grieving. She needs time to get to the “acceptance” phase, that’s all. Right now her brain is struggling to put these two things together. I can’t even begin to imagine what she must be going through right now.
My husband is an educator. When an autism spectrum kid does anything wrong, the parents trot out that excuse. But at the same time demand their child be treated as if they are normal. You can't have it both ways. I've never had CP texted to me because I don't mess with it. Her son did. And if he were so "impaired", most likely he wouldn't be off at college.
Not everyone with autism is the same. I am not saying he is innocent or should not pay for what he did. What I think is the parents didn't prepare him for this and they feel guilty. She said we can't protect him anymore. Maybe he was involved on it, but he didn't know how terrible it was. It was on the parents to teach him that. The son is socially immature and they had to tell him. I am not defending, I am explaining. Now they has 5 years to learn.
There are many high-functioning people with autism who go to college, I know because I'm on the spectrum myself and hold a master's degree. And believe me, I KNOW that CP is wrong and I'd never in a million years be part of it. And yes, those with autism can be gullible at times. But the solution to that is to give kids an EXTRA STRONG dose of reality and understanding of right and wrong, not making excuses.
Yes the son needs to face the consequences by law, but Shannon May this is so incredibly ableist, I'm sitting here just shaking my head. "As if they are normal" ... What the heck? Would you scoff at parents of a blind child who held out hope that others around them (especially teachers!) will expect the BEST out of every child, regardless of disability
Child pornography is disgraceful, distasteful, disgusting, and just plain dreadful. Shame on him, to say the least! This isn't being stupid, it is just despicable!
@@sarcodonblue2876 I said something very personal here and do not appreciate the judgment at all! You speak to any single grown man and I guarantee you they watch erotic at least every once in awhile. I am not saying it is amazing, I am saying it is natural or it is what it is. No straight and single man doesn't watch it once in again. I do not appreciate your tone and I guarantee you are a female! Even Dr. John in some of his calls as I am an huge fan told male call that he understands the concept of needed a physical release for an adult. I can't believe I have to explain this!
@@DominickSpano just because men do it doesn't make abusing women okay. Women are still trafficked and the most vulnerable are abused in the industry. Yes men should be judged for it as they haven't thought of the consequences especially the ones who then judge women for being promiscuous.
Sorry, but that sentence is ridiculous. He is 18. It seems he was not producing or selling child pornography. He did something very stupid, but I agree with John, something else not being mentioned if the sentence is five years.
@@jimjones11305 years doesn’t really help anyone though. We should focus on rehabilitation and setting people up for success in society. Not just punish them.
@@createone100circulating it is the problem. I can guarantee he circulated CP and that is why they went after him. This guy was part of a ring if they got him this way and pushed it this hard. CP possession is always prosecuted but often when it is a first offense they recommend probation. For some reason they're seeking prison for an 18 year old. This was not just him getting one text. He was circulating that filth and circulating it creates demand for it. Demand means more abusers making it. The sentence is appropriate.
It's just the tip of the iceberg - a symptom of how the neurons in his mind fire, and where his attractions and motivations lie. It takes a vile mind to commit vile actions.
“All because of something stupid”? Getting off on watching kids being raped is a lot more than “Something stupid”. It’s disgusting how she’s minimizing this.
Seriously. It must be a difficult line for John to walk, making the guest feel heard and comfortable as not to discourage future callers while also not allowing her to believe her son is a victim “TOO??” She’s sick
@ It’s honestly unethical for him to act that way for someone like this though. He should be, in no uncertain terms, calling out her sick and twisted mentality.
@@rebecaa7482 I personally agree with you, but I’ve heard the argument used before (I listen to a lot of content like this with serious subject matter from anonymous callers) is it the hosts place to condemn the caller because at that moment their job is to platform an anonymous struggling person so others can listen in and take whatever they want from it. I’d assume the hope is to gain more insight of strangers struggles and possible take a look at our own lives. If the host condemns her/a caller then they will not be doing their “journalistic” job of giving these people a platform where they feel comfortable enough to share honestly. I’m not saying I agree, but I definitely understand the hosts position of being more neutral and allowing the audience to speak their minds in the comments or furthering a discussion in their personal lives with others
I do genuinely feel sorry for this lady. She does need to accept that her son committed a crime. I will never judge a parent for not cutting their child out of their life. If she wants to emotionally be there for him, I can understand that. She just also needs to accept the reality of the situation.
@@MissLydia1231 Personally, I am not a parent, but I don't judge parents who visit their children or keep in contact with them while they are serving sentences. It's just not my place to judge anyone in that scenario.
I agree. She deserves compassion which not a lot of comments have given her. I totally feel for her & cannot imagine what that feels like for the parents.
@@AshleyLebedev do you have ANY of that compassion for the children abused by her son, though? She’s also a liar. You won’t face a minimum of 5 years for a single image.
It could just be someone under 18 ‘offing’ not all csam legally is adult on child physical abuse a naked picture of a 17 yr old could be considered Csam in court so there’s a lot to consider
While I'm sure you don't need to be told this, as the parent of a child who was abused (long story, but I fought the courts to prevent it) no, I think she should be forced to see what her son had so she can see the kind of person her son really is.
@@Kaiyats That's not what happened here. The guy's 18, he's not getting convicted with a five year sentence and permanent registration for a girl a year younger than him. To get a punishment that bad you're looking at 12 or less.
@@LilStitchy1 That's a completely irrational thing to suggest. She's just been informed her child fresh out of or maybe even still in high school is a monster and is going to have to live with it for the rest of her life. She isn't responsible for what he did, she's just in stage one of the grieving process and hasn't fully accepted it yet. Being able to just throw away your son at the drop of a hat isn't a sign of strength or moral conviction, it's a sign of psychopathy.
Indeed it was frustrating. But this is a mama talking about her baby. I know if I was in her shoes, it would be extremely difficult to deal with. So many emotions would come out.
It's her son, her baby (we are always our mother's babies). We aren't talking about some petty offense here, we are talking about her child being a monster. Imagine having to process and accept that. The innocent and joyful memories she has of her son running around as a toddler, they are gone, burned to ash, replaced with the closest thing we know to real evil, someone who preys on children. So its difficult to listen to her be in denial, but its also completely normal and an expected response for a mother who is still struggling to process this.
Mothers who make excuses for everything their sons do and never want them to be held accountable for anything end up turning their sons into entitled, abusive monsters.
This mother does NOT know the whole story I am sure of it. Her son likely searched this out and was an active participant of getting these images. YOUR son is not the victim, lady.
Yeah I mean i was thinking it seems harsh if someone sent him something and he just didn't report it. She is probably in denial still and that is the story he told her.
I think it all depends on how she handles it. Organizations who work with trafficking victims are very particular about who has access to volunteer. Hopefully if she does go this route she'll be properly screened and supervised.
I agree with you. She would make her son out to be a martyr. These children grew up in twisted environments. They need sympathy for themselves, not the adults who chose to see them being abused.
@A 7108 I get what you are getting at, but this demented woman who makes excuses for her deviant, evil son should Not be around the children her son watched being abused. The children need professional help from trained professionals who won't gaslight them into thinking that the grown man who willingly watched them being sexually abused is a martyr. The mom can read or listen to testimonials from other survivors. She needs therapy, because I am willing to bet that she coddled her son and overlooked warning signs of his behavior long before he was sentenced.
Abuse victims aren't volunteer opportunities, like dogs at the shelter or thrift stores that raise money for orphanages. This lady needs to tend to her own business and keep her nose out of working with the children her son abused.
Your son is not the victim. I feel for her as a mother but at the same time, this is no small trespass. I feel like there’s an element missing in this story.
Yeah she is obviously covering up for her son to a degree, or buying into some pile of BS that he's feeding her to make it seem like he just accidentally received some unsolicited images and is now unfairly facing jail time for it.
I want to know the age of the child. If it is 16 or 17, him being 18 I think that is nothing of major concern. If it is younger, well he is getting what he should.
@@dudeorduuude5211prob not. she would definitely have mentioned that. the son is 18 so if this was about ppl close to his age there's no way she wouldn't have clarified, knowing that when ppl hear cp they usually think elementary school kids
I honestly can't judge a parent in this position personally because the love for your child and the level of denial this mother is in is probably to protect her own sanity. Yes what her son has done is absolutely disgusting and she is fully aware of that, but this probably flies in the face of everything she has done over the years parenting her son and she feels defensive as a parent due to the shame. No one wins in this situation.
@roberthuber7031 I'm going to judge because as a mother, you raise your child to do what is right. When your child breaks the law to this degree, you expect that they, just like when they were kids, pay the consequences.
@@floggednflankednfl.3277 I absolutely agree with you wholeheartedly and respect your opinion. Her son deserves the judgement coming his way. I was just pointing out that I can't fault her state of denial that her son placed her in due to his actions, but as a parent she should be aware that his actions were undeniably wrong and he should receive the proper punishment. Thank you for the pleasant exchange on the topic and I wish you the best in life 🙏.
Something is seriously wrong with the mom and moms that continue to make excuses for this kind of behavior. Ridiculous to state that they should get involved with abused kids.
It’s more like an irrational response to protecting their kids. It’s not rational, and it never will be. It’s a very very unfortunate position for a mother. There’s nothing rational about maternal instinct. It makes me feel bad for her. Her bodies response is plead for his immediate wellbeing, and her rational response is that these things need correction, and the middle where they meet will not allow the maternal aspect to be quiet about it
@@trosclair434genus4yes. I think you’re right. All these people demonising her, safely detached from the horror she is coming to terms with, have no idea of how they’d actually respond if their child did the same. There’s some very powerful conflicting emotions and I’m glad Dr Delony responded the way he did.
I think he might of been solicited CP because if it where accidental and report it to police, he would not been in jail now, but no, 5 years is an equivalent for up to 200 images or 8 images
Well done, John. I could hear you wanting to call her out like the comments section, but this was put the best way she actually needed to hear. You didn't make excuses for the son or feed into what she wanted to hear, but gave her practical advice which is why she called you while also reiterating that her son is not the victim here.
This is what happen when people coddle their kids and don’t prepare them to be adults. Now she’s suffering the consequences of her actions. He should have known very well that this was wrong. And stop calling him a child, that’s the problem. This is a man.
When she said ‘He’s 18. I can’t protect him anymore “ it struck me she DID protect him for 17 years, falling back on the autistic excuse, the immature excuse, etc. I’m just another mom, but I sensed she knew he had “off” behaviors. Now it’s out in the open - taking his Internet away and sending him to counseling just doesn’t cut it.
Glad he got caught. These kinda men are running rampid out here. Little 12 yr old girls are in danger from the older men. If this didn’t get shut down it would have been a bigger issue.
It’s not just twelve year old girls in danger. Many of these men view images and videos featuring adult men engaging in sex acts with infants. BABIES. Often, the babies don’t survive the assault. Viewing this repulsive material creates the demand for more child abuse and torture. That’s the reality of child pornography. The people who view it are just as guilty as the people who make it.
@Dewi I was just watching a Catholic Exorcist talk about how the CP industry is actually run by satanic groups that breed children for this and than sacrifice them. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if that’s the case. He also said many victims don’t survive and that’s why you always hear about guys like this getting caught and you never hear about kids being saved
She sounds like she thinks he only received the pictures accidently. There was more participation than she's willing to admit. She is a Mother, it's not her fault. Of course she loves her son. This is just so sad but her son .committed a crime that will follow him forever.
He didn't just commit a crime.. he's wired differently. His sexual urges aren't conducive to a productive society so his behaviour needs to be monitored carefully from now on. That's not just 'following him forever'.. that's him showing himself to have some underlying fault (sorry but there's no other way to explain child attraction).
@@phattjohnsonPedophiles are not unwillfully wired differently. They are wicked individuals who choose to engage in perverse thoughts and actions simply for that reason, because they are wicked.
Breaks my heart. As a parent, this is a worst case-scenario-type nightmare for your child to make a decision like this. I hope they can find some peace that their son is where he needs to be for his choices and I hope their son is able to get help.
I never thought about it before but it must be a horrible feeling to find out your child is abusing kids, maybe even worse than finding out they're a victim.
The mother is clearly in denial. Just because you are on the spectrum, you aren't automatically the victim or unable to see right from wrong. And it frightens me that she genuinely believes that he should be "held accountable" and monitored by someone instead of jail. That she really does not understand that he poses a threat to children around him or online. All because she fails to see that he is a grown capable college-attending adult man who committed a crime, not an incapable little boy who accidentally did something "bad". A lot of parents make the grave mistake of underestimating their child with a diagnosis, and coddles them throughout their whole childhood, never holding them accountable because they think that diagnosis means their child is a forever innocent who can't learn. Which couldn't be further from the truth. Autism doesn't mean dumb, it just means your brain works a little differently.
I caught the bio dad of my daughter with pictures of a 16 y/o. I turned him in and i don’t regret it. I found out during court that he actually traveled across the state to pick her up from his own old HIGH SCHOOL, so yeah that was the biggest ID checker he could of had I don’t get child support I just wanted him out of my life
Paradoxically the pictures are illegal (assuming they are n00ds) but sex with the same girl may not be - 16 is the age of consent in the majority of U.S. States.
This is the final stop for pornography type addictions. It doesn’t start this way, but a person has to keep escalating their behavior to get the same dopamine high until they run out of any other images. In some countries pornography is illegal and harder to obtain, I would totally vote to get rid of porn all together, what it does to the brain is insane.
Nobody admits this! Pornography is the gateway for so much evil but our society calls it “art.” There’s no awareness it’s dangers or how it perverts the minds of young men.
Thats stupid, on so many levels. Csam doesnt produce dopamine in the vast majority of people, you have to be seriously screwed up to get off on it. And the majority of people with a porn addiction are not pedophiles... Stop your fear mongering nonsense
@@arexandwa i mean... 99% of men do watch porn. So it literally is normal... Just because your x got addicted doesnt mean every man who watches porn is addicted. As evidenced by the fact that most men who watch porn, are not addicted to it. .
Yes and no... Porn addiction is a real phenomenon that some people experience. But I can't see a non-pedophile being attracted to CP anymore than a straight person to gay pornography for instance. Viewing pornography, or even addiction to it, has a lot of effects on the brain, but isn't capable of changing one's sexual orientation (which is more or less already determined before puberty and not changeable).
*Minimum* of 5 years. She knows. She's in denial. And the way she talks, she seems to care only about her son--no empathy or thought at all for the actual victims.
@@dubyabalthazar4598 They figure it out on their own by "research". Or, in prison the inmates ask for their papers, and anything that hurts woman or children is considered "bad charges."
@@phattjohnson It can help it learn not to act on his desires. It's literally a matter of dealing with their mental health, which is not talked about much these days. If someone is dealing with this mental condition, they need help. Jail doesn't fix them.
Her son had over 150 files of children under 12. He's not a fucking victim.. i have a son myself and even if this lady still loves and talks to her son, no way should she minimize the severity of the crime. Saying he's a victim or that it was a set up prevents the accountability that needs to occur. She's trying to minimize it rather than get to the root of it
@@alex5308i was trying to find the link BUT somewhere on reddit, there was a forum about this episode which detailed more of the charges w/ links. ugh, wish i could find that post now
My goodness! I think these are the best set of advice i've heard given to parent of folks going to prison. Setting goal amd learning things like a language together, getting involved locally in advocacy is a great way for the family to reset, grow & advance without tearing itself apart and be in a space to accommodate and help him be productive to gimself & hos community when he gets out! I hope she takes the advise & work on it. My worry about sexual predators is what they get upto once out of prison, if their communities are safe with them about.
i have experience with this! My ex-boyfriend, 6 months after we broke up, was arrested for gross sexual imposition of a minor and 60 counts of child pornography. yes, the victims are the children. But geez it's a TERRIBLE feeling to watch someone do this to their life. You had this idea of this person. You thought you knew someone. And it was all a lie. I went through weeks of emotions. ON top of that, as a favor to his family, I was dealing with his estate for months. Parents definitely go through denial and just plain shock. They ask themselves, what did I do wrong? The right thing to do always is be an advocate for the children.
My ex had everyone including me fooled until I noticed some predatory and grooming behaviors around minors. I was cast out by family and friends for pointing this out because he would never. I left and rebuilt my life after utter slander and destruction. He died 2 years later and I found out he had a warrant out for his arrest molesting his friends 7 year old. I had warned him also. Sucks that people don't listen and try to kill the messenger. In the end you're only responsible for how you react and what you do...I sleep well knowing I didn't cover it up or entertain it. Light is supposed to uncover the darkness not succumb to it and crimes against children are the most heinous because it hits the innocent and the perpetrators are cowards because they cannot contend with their equals. They are bullies. My ex mother covered for him as well...going to church and praying. Well God took him out of this world so he won't be destroying anyone else's life. The victims and people involved still have to deal with the aftermath of what happened. It's been 5 years and I'm still trying to cope, but I seriously do not want to date or engage with anyone else because it's just so prevalent in society and I won't be as lenient or patient with anyone anymore. The only help some of these people deserve, is to help themselves leave this earth.
A "mistake?" I seriously doubt he would receive 5 years in prison if his digital profile was completely clean except someone sending unsolicited evil. This is likely the line Mom is being fed. If he were a purely innocent recipient, the feds would have likely used him as a witness to catch the distributor.
Yeah, actually he downloaded Kik and used it specifically for this purpose of finding the material, joined chat groups with the intention of finding the material, and made friends with individuals interested in the same material, when one of those friends was arrested the FBI posed as the friend and he bought and paid for more material from this friend(FBI) and then proceeded to download 31 files of this material and attempt to view each one
A “mistake” as quoted reminded me of another disgusting public comment. The father of Brock Turner, the swimmer from Stanford, said his son’s life shouldn’t be ruined over “twenty minutes of action”. Like father, like son, I wouldn’t be upset if both got stuck with something sharp
I think as a Society we forget the families of the criminals, both in this kind of situation and in situations like mass shootings. Here's a mom who loves her boy and knows he has done criminal things and has to figure out how to go forward. I hope she has people around her who will support her and not condemn her. Her son's choices should not cause us to vilify her.
How do we create a world we want to live in? Consequences. Her son will go to federal prison for his crime, something that can be forced upon him by a judicial system. Her community will shun her for her defensiveness. She has taken on a villain role every moment she creates a loophole to justify her son's behavior. This woman would have harbored a perverted criminal if she could have prevented the cops from knowing about his CP because its her son without regard of the impact he has made in the world of the small children who are his victims.
@@Guitarlvr01 I don't agree he is a victim. Autistic or not -- he's away at college so he's capable of making choices. But I still feel compassion for a mother whose heart is breaking.
No but her minimizing what he did and getting upset he shouldn’t go to jail DOES deserve condemnation. You can tell you kid “I love you no matter what and will visit you in jail and support you but you did an abhorrent thing and need to pay a debt to society” when you do get out we will hold you accountable and help you”. Not “oh he has autism, he’s just 18, he just got a picture sent to him”. No one just magically ends up in a kiddie porn chat room. Let’s remember what kiddie porn is. It’s photos and videos of kids getting raped. Mom is in hardcore denial and needs to wake up fast if she wants to help her kid.
As someone on the autism spectrum, I can tell you that autism is no excuse. Autism doesn't mean you don't have a moral compass. Being socially awkward doesn't mean it's ok to fetishize kids. Lock this guy up. Actions have consequences and he has proved himself a danger to society.
Yeah. Just making your son promise not to go online anymore would TOTALLY cure him of being a sexual deviant/predator. Thank God the courts take over and mommy can't just brush it under the rug for her little baby boo
Poor mother. The internet can be a sewer. People entrap others in nasty stuff, bad stuff. Too much going on, in this Social Media Circus. Too much accessibility to garbage. Boundaries blurred. Too much off the chart stuff. Blessings to her and her family!
At the end of the day he knew what he was doing was wrong, did it anyway and got caught he deserves to be held accountable and mom shouldn't try to "protect" him he's already done the crime and he needs to do the time.
I agree with you. Perhaps, when the first images were sent & received, if he’d responded to the other party, “WTF man! Don’t be sending this $hit to anybody, and stop communicating with me”, the legal system might have gone softer on him, especially if he’d immediately deleted every image. Better yet, if he’d turned this perv into the FBI for pornography trafficking, he certainly wouldn’t be in this bad situation. I think there must have been multiple encouraging conversations and exchanges of images for him to be facing years of prison time. Yeah, his actions will cause his parents to be the social pariahs of their community. Prison time better be occupied with every available counseling service and securing a college degree. He cannot count on living with mom & pop after prison release if they live within a certain radius of a school, park, recreation center, etc.
It would be nice if this was the same standard that was held to politicians, Hollywood elite and Uber wealthy members of our society. I know that would happen in a perfect world, so we just have to deal with them banging young children as one of their favorite hobbies.
I honestly would disown my kid for that one. I could never look at them in the eye again after knowing that about them. Knowing they enjoy that? Nope I want nothing to do with you!
What I wanna know as an 18 year old man myself is if this kid is in full sound mind…do they not understand that it’s not right mentally to be attracted to things like that? Why not seek out therapy and just be honest? This kid could take accountability and shut it down before it escalated like this. I never get those CP cases. My mom taught me from a young age of how horrible and disgusting predators are.
@@hexmask6587 Very true - understand in this case (you can view the court documents/affidavit materials in the federal court website to understand the whole investigation), her son Ethan actually downloaded Kik and used it as a way to find others interested in this material, to make friends with others interested in this material, and engage in discussions about the underlying acts, his friend Sergio was arrested and allowed the FBI to use his account to offer Ethan more of this material and Ethan paid for the material and then proceeded to download 30 files of this material. Instead of stopping himself and seeking help, he did the exact opposite of what you suggest and did so purposefully
I do feel a level of sympathy for people who have those urges. The urge itself is not a crime, and it’s not necessarily a choice, at least not for everyone. For example, people who are abused as children in that way sometimes grow up to have those same urges, and that’s horrible. It’s gotta be painful. I’d imagine there are support groups people can find before they make terrible decisions, but it’s such a terrible thing and I’d imagine it would bring about a lot of pain to the person with those urges (specifically if they don’t act on them and it’s just their own burden). Anyone who acts on it must be punished.
What gets me is that you don’t get 5 years for just “looking at” CP, as unfortunate as it is, in most cases where someone was just viewing it they don’t even get prosecuted or just get a slap on the wrist punishment like a month in jail and monitored internet use, it sounds like he was in some kind of online circle and was downloading and/or distributing probably a lot of it.
Doesn't she understand that people who buy and distribute provoke others to produce the material because there's a demand? There are children harmed and even killed in this so-called business. It's not a light crime, he's part of that horrible machine.
But where do we differentiate the two? Clearly, he wasn't involved in making the material or engaging in any sexual acts against a child, so when do we say the punishment fits the crime? If we want less criminal sex-offenders out there preying on children then we don't need to be sending 18 year old Autistic young men that got involved in sexual deviancy as their first offense to prison for 5+ years. It is insane, we all know prison isn't a place of rehabilitation and will only serve to make him worse if anything. Why do we think that will fix the problem? It won't, it only serves to give everyone else their minute of dopamine rush knowing that they screwed a boy's life up and punishing him for our own vindictive pleasure. Even though her son is most likely going to come out of that prison more of a sexual criminal than when he went in, increasing the likelihood of further victimization in society. He needs therapy and long-term probation. He needs to be supervised and helped.
Yeah I'm surprised no police or support workers have told her this, considering her own common sense on the matter appears to have been misplaced throughout this turmoil.. Sounds like she's doing as LITTLE as possible in this situation, and just wishes it would all go away.
Glad that Dr. John noted that likely more texts and exchanges occurred than the mother is letting on. The good news is that her son's jail time will allow him to really rethink how he best wants to live his life. Hopefully he chooses to be an honorable man and a godly man going forward. Not someone involved in sex chats and child pornography.
"Godly" men of the book (Christians, Muslims, and Jews) have a penchant for abusing children as well. I do agree with everything else you said though. However, her son may have The Dark Triad or The Dark Tetrad traits in addition to having pedophilic tendencies. If so, that can't be changed.
I’m not surprised as to the sentence he’s going to receive. I’m unclear as to why she’s in denial. He’s as adult there’s no excuse for what her son did.Being on the spectrum does not excuse his actions at all.
I am actually surprised by the sentence. In the UK they give out completely substandard sentences for people caught with child porn. People get away with suspended sentences or a couple of months in prison even for possession of the most serious categories of child porn. It’s good to see people getting significant sentences somewhere at least.
@@rusty6899 Well if you think of it, do we really need people in jail over this? They should be seeking mental help. We need to find those who produced the material and put them in jail since they are the ones actually abusing the children.
@@Genuinepleather well the NHS coffers aren’t exactly overflowing as it is, without introducing a new scheme to counsel nonces, and in any case I think it might be a good idea if people who wank themselves into a frenzy at videos of children being sexually tortured are removed from polite society.
This is repulsive. I’m a mother of 9 (and I’d die for any of my kids) and if one of my children did something to this degree I would be the one calling the police on them. There would be zero grace for this. There is NO LOVE in enabling someone you love to get away with this level of evil.
At the beginning of the video when she said her son was 18 I thought this was going to be one of those situations where a high school senior got nude pictures from his girlfriend who’s only a few months younger than him but legally underage. Obviously this situation is much darker.
Mothers in this situation need to imagine what they would do to the person that was watching/abusing their child on a screen. That will really put things into perspective.
The list of excuses is endless. On the spectrum?! First year in college? Wanted to make friends? Someone sent it to him? Please. He needs jail time. Period. I don’t want her son in the streets with my daughters.
So let me get this right - Her son got send some images and he gets 5 years, and we even doesn't get to heat what exactly was it. Glows brighter than ATF warehouse.
Your kid deserves the time.. sorry it’s happening to you too. Prepare for real time and prepare for it to not be a good time for him. Tell him to try to get into protective custody or he’s going to be in a really bad spot
I can’t believe she thinks her son is a victim. The way she frames it is as if the children are only secondary victims. That’s pure delusion. Where is the rage? Where is the accountability?
For everyone looking for updates and specifics, etc., here's what I was able to find: He's currently incarcerated in Federal Prison with a scheduled release date of 02/05/2027, so it looks like he did in fact get ~5 years. As far as the charges, I can't look at case specifics without paying, but apparently he had been receiving CP videos from another student at College, who was arrested. He then sent money to an FBI agent posing as the arrested guy in exchange for CP, and was arrested.
Her son is guilty not her. She needs to be treated for what she’s feeling. She’s a grieving mother, regardless what her son did. She does not need to be judged. Her son is paying the price.
Unfortunately her son is a threat to society. Pedophiles are wired differently and have a sexual attraction to children. Whether they were abused as children or were born this way they are a threat. His mother needs to get help so she can cope. She can have a relationship with her son and be as supportive as she can.
I think he should of had the common sense to call the police if he received deviant photos. Possessing them is a crime! He knew it was wrong! He needs to be accountable. Period. Those kids were victims!
Never trust any pigs or officials I dont see any problem if the ****child***** hes watching is 15+, guys tended to attract to about the same age or lillte younger girls
@@bobberry1463 that seems completely nuts. I'm trying to think what I would do. I think I'd tell the person to stop, and delete the photos. I'm pretty sure I would be too terrified to call the Police.
@@peterwallis4288 Yeah I agree with you telling the cops anything could get you in trouble too. It just is not cool when the law starts to investigate people!!!
When I first heard that her son was 18 I thought maybe it was something with a girlfriend who was like 17 or something. But as they got into it it's clear this isn't something that the mom should be downplaying or making excuses for. And saying he's a victim too is absurd.
The whole video I’ve been waiting for her to be asked “Okay, if that was a picture of your son going around and leo found a person who was looking at that, what punishment should this person receive?”
While I get that this must be brutally tough for any family to hear about your own son and that the whole situation must be unbelievably emotionally confusing and jarring, he still committed a really serious crime. I sincerely hope the authorities managed to get to the bottom of the situation and I hope for this family that they're able to get the guidance they need to move forward. What a mess of a situation.
Denial. I’m guessing she covered for him and has made excuses for him his whole childhood. Even now she thinks he should go free because he may hurt himself. Maybe check on her other boys and see what they are up to.
So even if he was just looking for a social group, when that person sent him those photos, he should have said, sorry this is not for me. Most people would be appalled if someone sent them child porn.
@@donaldlyons17 If that's what happened and it was a one time thing I doubt the feds would bother with charging him. There MUST be more to this story than what the mom heard.
@@michaelf3753 Well but with the law they can throw people in jail just for getting angry. They just don't have to listen and will decide to tell you to confess otherwise they will...... Remember no one is stronger than the law even if the person is not in the wrong!!!!
He'll probably get 10 years in prison. Prosecutors are pretty harsh on that stuff. Adults should never message underage kids or teenagers, prosecutors will charge you if they happen to send illegal content. Context doesn't matter in these situations, it's not something you should ever mess around with. I just know this because my mother works in the prison and they don't care where the content comes from, if you have it, you're screwed.
If he was 13, maybe there'd be a chance of therapy and prison would be a bad choice, but 18 means he's probably allowed this to fester and grow since hitting puberty and understanding the morality instead of rejecting it and seeking help. Unless the police really are just prosecuting someone for unsolicited reception of cp, which I can't imagine, this is society enforcing a standard he didn't choose to enforce on himself as an adult with the means to pose a majot threat to vulnerable children. By all means have him placed somewhere with the best therapists who might help change his path but at 18 I don't know how possible that is...
This is incorrect. The brain is still developing substantially until age 26. There's much less difference between a 13 year old and 18yo's brain than a 25yo and 18yo!!! Especially for late-teen males (and all their intense hormones that affect the brain's development, executive functioning/ decision-making, and ability to resist impulsivity.
@@NeuroSeasoned Granted but I was thinking specifically about sexual attraction and paedophilia in particular. Those are largely settled by the end of puberty.
Yes get into a program while serving time but it’s a federal crime, the feds don’t just take on any case. They take on what they can win/prosecute, there is a lot more she isn’t saying.
When children are involved, it’s not porn. It’s child sexual abuse.
agree we need to stop normalizing it. its abuse
Yes. CSA images is more accurate terminology.
@@silverarrowtarot we need to stop normalizing pornography!!!
@@silverarrowtarot thank you the voice of common sense reading these comments isn't cool
how was it perpretrated if it was sent to him
My brother was convicted of child molestation. There was more than one victim, one of them a young relative. My mother absolutely refused to believe he was guilty. It tore the extended family apart. My mother insisted everyone in the family believe in his innocence, including my uncle whose daughter was one of the victims. The family relationships were destroyed.
She sounds like a mom boy 😞
I was abused by my older cousin. I wasn't the only one. Legally he got off scot free but when it comes to the family, it completely destroyed relationships between the extended groups
Dude.... what a kick to the balls. What a shattering of the soul. My brother is my best friend and bjj training partner. Hes still a virgin though at 26. Im not worried I know hes not a sicko. I really wish i could get him involved with a good woman. There are alot of women shacking up with chomos because they are the judges, lawyers, supervisors and have the car and house on the hill. Its sad but true. This world rewards evil. I dont understand it
Unfortunately all too common, and all too wrong
Wow, déjà vu.
If someone molested her child, she wouldn't be asking for alternatives to jail time.
EXACTLY
@joceja23Should I say "If someone had made child porn of her child, she wouldn't be asking for alternatives to jail time?", does that make it better for you?
@joceja23Not to the child that is being abused, which is the point here
@@Nayahpooh012NO
@@MsMak03, Maybe, but if we treat viewing child pornography and committing sexual violence against a child equivalently then there would be no reason for a criminal to distinguish it either and go for the worse of the two. After all, they end up getting the same or worse of a punishment for viewing/owning CP, why not just act on their urges all-together? They may even get less prison time.
She called abuse of children, “something stupid”. And is able to see her ADULT son as a “child” but not legitimate victims i.e. CHILDREN! Well… I’d like to know how long the mess she raised is off the streets.
She didn't just raise a mess. Shes a mess too and no doubt it contributes to him being a felon.
It's not "something stupid"... It's CRIMINAL.
Crimes against children are the worst!!!
It was an online chat, and he's an 18 year old, we can give some leeway for her. He was stupid, she's not wrong.
@@dudeorduuude5211 Youre a pedo excuser. Gross little sh!t you are.
@@dudeorduuude5211he gave his number and I'm sure they bonded over joint interests.
Also the son didn't delete it in disgust. Let's be honest here
She refers to her son as “victim”. No ma’am, your son is not a victim - those children are. He made a choice.
lmfao you’re not very bright are you?
He got sent an image he may or may not have asked for. It’s gross but he didn’t actually victimize the person. Whomever took the pic did
@@ToyotaTom04 Wrong. He creates the demand for it, therefore contributing to the victimization.
@@HC-sb5ck Brighter than you.
How creepy is it that you are defending the pedo in this situation and the only thing on your page is a little girls cheerleading competition 🤢 @TommyB1004
Jon was right it's way more to this story then she's telling. He wouldn't be receiving five or more years in prison one ONE text. This situation was on going
True ..he must actively bought the stuff
60 counts
He must have had contact with a distributor online, the distributor was tracked by IP address and the investigators had a digital audit trail for the files being sent to him and they found it on his phone and such.
@@MrBrewman95 perhaps a purchase
@JerseyKanna people don’t understand the law is brutal! Even if he had one picture they will try and get him prison!
Funny how people wanna be tough on crime, unless it's their family that's committed it...
EXACTLY
They can dish it but can’t take it
True. People need to stop tip-toeing around stuff
@@msthang5366 Nope, the only good sex offender is a dead one. I dont care who you are.
Who said this lady wanted to be tough on crime?! 😂
Mom cannot protect him and she’s making every excuse for him that she can. If she is making excuses at 18, she will be making them at 50.
True
Just like Ted Bundy's mom
She’s distraught right now, shocked, put yourself in her situation. Everyone handles situations differently. Give her time to think straight, perhaps counseling.
I don’t wish the consequences of his crime on anyone, but he is going to experience what being a victim is like for the next 5 years or less. I hope the boy gets counselling in prison, hopefully stays safe, and gets his life together
He who has not sin, cast thy first stone.(Jesus)
How DARE she blame the CP on Autism. How gross.
Obviously this requires some nuance. Mental disabilities, including autism, can affect one’s judgement and rationale. Mental disabilities also allow others to take advantage of their reduced cognition in this area. Someone sent him these images. He didn’t request them. Why are you overly willing to acknowledge the lack of understanding of disabilities and how people with disabilities are regularly misunderstood and convicted for crimes they didn’t play a part in or didn’t understand their role in. I don’t think you understand autism. I don’t think you recognize how people with disabilities are used as scapegoats for crimes. You clearly do not know anyone with a mental disability. Do better!
I'm autistic. Don't use that as an excuse. This 18 year old was at college - if he's capable of going off to college, he has the expectation of being a responsible adult. Knock it off with this.
@@JRB568people with disabilities have to follow the law, too. Yes I have more than one, love people with others, and work in the field. I once worked with a man who functioned cognitively like a four year old. We made sure than man knew how horrific and illegal things like this are. BECAUSE we knew he was vulnerable. It’s not a justification.
@@thebalancedvirgin4893 I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with this being awful, but remember autism is on a spectrum please
I don't think that's what she meant..... She is clearly buying into the narrative that this was some external misfortunes that befell her little boy - something that happened _to_ him, instead of something he did. In that story, autism is perfectly relevant, because something something vulnerable, trusting, naive scapegoat, fewer friends, susceptible to social pressure etc.etc.
Which is 100% not what happened, but I can understand why she'd need to believe that for the foreseeable future.
It’s gross how she uses autism as an excuse for this. I’m autistic. Child predators can go to hell!!!
And you also have to acknowledge that autistic people can also commit crimes and knowing they are on the spectrum helps us understand the mind of the criminal.
@@dudeorduuude5211yes, autistic people can commit crimes, but being autistic is not a mitigating factor. ASD =\= not knowing right from wrong.
There's different levels of autism though... There's autism where it makes things challenging and there's autism where it makes things close to impossible
@@erich1380what does that even mean. It seems like you are trying to perpetuate us as helpless so we should be set aside
@@hmmm2564 no. We obviously don't know the details of the case fully so it's hard to say one way or the other but one of the key struggles with autism is social interaction. Kid was sent CP online. He could have desperately trying to fit in not knowing the severity of the situation because nobody could have explained it to him before. His mom said he is mentally on the level of a young teen. I've heard countless stories of 16-18 year old autistic students being into 12-14 year olds..now obviously if the photos were of 5 year olds that would be a different story. Too much we don't know
The only victim is the child who was abused. That’s it.
Anyone who abuses a child should be shunned from society. Jail sounds like a perfect fit for his crime.
They should be eliminated from society. Prison is too lenient. Sorry i have empathy for child abusers.
@@moniquedefranca5759 Completely agree.
Yes he is responsible for his own actions. It’s disgusting to think about what he did, and the fact that he’s Autistic does not excuse his actions.
Child sex offender should be put on death penalty
Yep! Shunned and labeled with red flags. I Check the sex offender site all the time to protect my own child in our neighborhood/community. There are so many! It’s disgusting.
No one "came after" her son. Her son committed a crime and was arrested.
They hunted him down unless he told on himself. No they come to get him. Why would he tell on himself?
His other “friends” who were also into this material decided to cooperate with investigators and allow him to buy the material
@@cxa340setup too
we need more awareness to prevent people from these crimes
law enforcement came
Shielding someone from the consequences of their actions only makes it worse.
Probably he did it before
No one is shielding anyone . The mom needs help with how to deal with this situation.
My daughter was victimized by some loser. The kid has done it to many others and the parents are in complete denial. He's just a good boy...
how was it perpretrated if it was sent to him
Exactly
Facing this right now, my stepson is in jail for this. My wife has accepted it, but is willing to listen he was set up, and my wife has had these same excuses. I’m sure now she realizes the crime, and I’ve told her I feel more sorry for the children, than my stepson.
Do you wish that you had never married your wife and become a stepfather? Did your stepson exhibit any concerning or alarming behaviors in the past? Was your wife too lenient with your stepson growing up?
I hate the “he was set up” excuse. Because if that was true he’d have reported it to the authorities immediately, they’d have gotten to the actual perpetrator through him, and he wouldn’t have been punished. But for some people it’s better to buy into clear lies rather than accept the wrong of their child.
Even if he was set up, what he did led him to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, but even then it’s a very specific place to be involved in.
@@proudatheist2042 no, about my wife. Yes he did, I did my best to help him. I am a retired Marine, she didn’t like my discipline.
Forward 2 months, she now agrees with me.
Yeah and is your stepson autistic willing to bet he is so what do you think about those apples willing to make you a thousand dollar bet your stepson is autistic once again you don't know what you're talking about if he is autistic that is
It’s hard not to roll my eyes when listening to this mother minimize what her son had in possession. Reminds me of people who’d rather look the other way when they know of a child being abused. John did an awesome job redirecting her to see that crimes must be punished. And for her to suggest that all he needs is to not have internet access VS putting him in prison said it all.
how was it perpretrated if it was sent to him
exactly! first, you dont get a 5yrs sentence for receiving by mistake a CP text. Secondly, nobody just stumble upon CP, you have to deeply seek it out. Nobody that you meet in a chat room will just send you CP thats ridiculous.
lotta church elders swept worse under the rug. they aint in jail and on a registry.
@@AC-mp7cx
He actively sought out this material and paid for it - in the end, having sought out this material and made friends with others who wanted this material, he paid money for the material and downloaded 30 files of it not realizing his friend had already been arrested and he was now talking to the FBI.
That is the reason for the charges and sentencing - this is not an image that just showed up on his phone. He downloaded Kik, used the app to find a chat room of individuals trading in this material, engaged in the dissemination of the material, then purchased and downloaded more of the material.
I don’t know, I’m having a hard time judging her. How could you possibly relate in any way to how she must be feeling? Her brain needs some time to process and catch up.
Here’s this person she loves most in the world, would do anything for. She’s grieving. She needs time to get to the “acceptance” phase, that’s all. Right now her brain is struggling to put these two things together. I can’t even begin to imagine what she must be going through right now.
My husband is an educator. When an autism spectrum kid does anything wrong, the parents trot out that excuse. But at the same time demand their child be treated as if they are normal. You can't have it both ways. I've never had CP texted to me because I don't mess with it. Her son did. And if he were so "impaired", most likely he wouldn't be off at college.
You said everything I wanted to say, thank yoyou. Her son is not a victim of anything except mom's coddling.
Not everyone with autism is the same. I am not saying he is innocent or should not pay for what he did. What I think is the parents didn't prepare him for this and they feel guilty. She said we can't protect him anymore. Maybe he was involved on it, but he didn't know how terrible it was. It was on the parents to teach him that. The son is socially immature and they had to tell him. I am not defending, I am explaining. Now they has 5 years to learn.
EXACTLY
There are many high-functioning people with autism who go to college, I know because I'm on the spectrum myself and hold a master's degree. And believe me, I KNOW that CP is wrong and I'd never in a million years be part of it.
And yes, those with autism can be gullible at times. But the solution to that is to give kids an EXTRA STRONG dose of reality and understanding of right and wrong, not making excuses.
Yes the son needs to face the consequences by law, but Shannon May this is so incredibly ableist, I'm sitting here just shaking my head. "As if they are normal" ... What the heck? Would you scoff at parents of a blind child who held out hope that others around them (especially teachers!) will expect the BEST out of every child, regardless of disability
Child pornography is disgraceful, distasteful, disgusting, and just plain dreadful. Shame on him, to say the least! This isn't being stupid, it is just despicable!
I agree.
Child porn is horrendous and so is adult porn as women are trafficked and abused. Child porn is worse by you still can't justify any porn at all.
@@sarcodonblue2876 I said something very personal here and do not appreciate the judgment at all! You speak to any single grown man and I guarantee you they watch erotic at least every once in awhile. I am not saying it is amazing, I am saying it is natural or it is what it is. No straight and single man doesn't watch it once in again. I do not appreciate your tone and I guarantee you are a female! Even Dr. John in some of his calls as I am an huge fan told male call that he understands the concept of needed a physical release for an adult. I can't believe I have to explain this!
@@DominickSpano just because men do it doesn't make abusing women okay. Women are still trafficked and the most vulnerable are abused in the industry. Yes men should be judged for it as they haven't thought of the consequences especially the ones who then judge women for being promiscuous.
@@sarcodonblue2876 Whatever you say. This is what you get for being a little personal on board. You stink!
The lawyer said 5 years was an expected MINIMUM, not the actual sentence.
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Sorry, but that sentence is ridiculous. He is 18. It seems he was not producing or selling child pornography. He did something very stupid, but I agree with John, something else not being mentioned if the sentence is five years.
@@createone100 society has to set the standard. I think 5 years is appropriate
@@jimjones11305 years doesn’t really help anyone though. We should focus on rehabilitation and setting people up for success in society. Not just punish them.
@@createone100circulating it is the problem. I can guarantee he circulated CP and that is why they went after him. This guy was part of a ring if they got him this way and pushed it this hard. CP possession is always prosecuted but often when it is a first offense they recommend probation. For some reason they're seeking prison for an 18 year old.
This was not just him getting one text. He was circulating that filth and circulating it creates demand for it. Demand means more abusers making it.
The sentence is appropriate.
She referred to it as a stupid thing. What an awful thing to say! This was a vile thing. He did one of the worst things possible.
It's just the tip of the iceberg - a symptom of how the neurons in his mind fire, and where his attractions and motivations lie. It takes a vile mind to commit vile actions.
Well, it is stupid...and horrible. She just left out the horrible part.
The vile thing was filming it..
“All because of something stupid”? Getting off on watching kids being raped is a lot more than “Something stupid”. It’s disgusting how she’s minimizing this.
Maybe I missed it there, but it was photos of rape?
Seriously. It must be a difficult line for John to walk, making the guest feel heard and comfortable as not to discourage future callers while also not allowing her to believe her son is a victim “TOO??”
She’s sick
@ It’s honestly unethical for him to act that way for someone like this though. He should be, in no uncertain terms, calling out her sick and twisted mentality.
@@rebecaa7482 I personally agree with you, but I’ve heard the argument used before (I listen to a lot of content like this with serious subject matter from anonymous callers)
is it the hosts place to condemn the caller because at that moment their job is to platform an anonymous struggling person so others can listen in and take whatever they want from it. I’d assume the hope is to gain more insight of strangers struggles and possible take a look at our own lives.
If the host condemns her/a caller then they will not be doing their “journalistic” job of giving these people a platform where they feel comfortable enough to share honestly.
I’m not saying I agree, but I definitely understand the hosts position of being more neutral and allowing the audience to speak their minds in the comments or furthering a discussion in their personal lives with others
Uhh who said anything about rape?
I do genuinely feel sorry for this lady. She does need to accept that her son committed a crime. I will never judge a parent for not cutting their child out of their life. If she wants to emotionally be there for him, I can understand that. She just also needs to accept the reality of the situation.
Very true, I’m a mother too so I understand everything, 🙏🙏🙏
@@MissLydia1231 Personally, I am not a parent, but I don't judge parents who visit their children or keep in contact with them while they are serving sentences. It's just not my place to judge anyone in that scenario.
Very very insightful comment
I agree. She deserves compassion which not a lot of comments have given her. I totally feel for her & cannot imagine what that feels like for the parents.
@@AshleyLebedev do you have ANY of that compassion for the children abused by her son, though? She’s also a liar. You won’t face a minimum of 5 years for a single image.
I always wonder if people would feel the same if their own child was abused, and someone was watching it.
And profiting off of it as well.
It could just be someone under 18 ‘offing’ not all csam legally is adult on child physical abuse a naked picture of a 17 yr old could be considered Csam in court so there’s a lot to consider
While I'm sure you don't need to be told this, as the parent of a child who was abused (long story, but I fought the courts to prevent it) no, I think she should be forced to see what her son had so she can see the kind of person her son really is.
@@Kaiyats That's not what happened here. The guy's 18, he's not getting convicted with a five year sentence and permanent registration for a girl a year younger than him. To get a punishment that bad you're looking at 12 or less.
@@LilStitchy1 That's a completely irrational thing to suggest. She's just been informed her child fresh out of or maybe even still in high school is a monster and is going to have to live with it for the rest of her life. She isn't responsible for what he did, she's just in stage one of the grieving process and hasn't fully accepted it yet. Being able to just throw away your son at the drop of a hat isn't a sign of strength or moral conviction, it's a sign of psychopathy.
She's infuriating me with her denial and minimalization. Dr J is a Saint for his patience and wisdom
Indeed it was frustrating. But this is a mama talking about her baby. I know if I was in her shoes, it would be extremely difficult to deal with. So many emotions would come out.
The 700 Club were Saints. Dr Oz is a Saint. Dr Phil is a Saint. Of course, Dr J is a Saint among saints.
It's her son, her baby (we are always our mother's babies). We aren't talking about some petty offense here, we are talking about her child being a monster. Imagine having to process and accept that. The innocent and joyful memories she has of her son running around as a toddler, they are gone, burned to ash, replaced with the closest thing we know to real evil, someone who preys on children.
So its difficult to listen to her be in denial, but its also completely normal and an expected response for a mother who is still struggling to process this.
@@JackMason-oq8lfPat Robertson was a literal demon
Mothers who make excuses for everything their sons do and never want them to be held accountable for anything end up turning their sons into entitled, abusive monsters.
This mother does NOT know the whole story I am sure of it. Her son likely searched this out and was an active participant of getting these images. YOUR son is not the victim, lady.
She knows this too, you can tell it by her tone. She's trying to buy into her own delusion further by vocalizing it.
It’s pretty easy to do a google search. The son had over 150 files of children under 12
Yeah I mean i was thinking it seems harsh if someone sent him something and he just didn't report it. She is probably in denial still and that is the story he told her.
She doesn't want to know the whole story
@@bobbyrbmg4370what did you search?
The end of this call took a horrible turn. This mom does not need to have anything to do with real victims while she feels like her son is a victim
Also, her son didn't make a stupid mistake. He is a sexual predator.. if this wasn't caught I guarantee it would progress
I think it all depends on how she handles it. Organizations who work with trafficking victims are very particular about who has access to volunteer. Hopefully if she does go this route she'll be properly screened and supervised.
I agree with you. She would make her son out to be a martyr. These children grew up in twisted environments. They need sympathy for themselves, not the adults who chose to see them being abused.
@A 7108 I get what you are getting at, but this demented woman who makes excuses for her deviant, evil son should Not be around the children her son watched being abused. The children need professional help from trained professionals who won't gaslight them into thinking that the grown man who willingly watched them being sexually abused is a martyr. The mom can read or listen to testimonials from other survivors. She needs therapy, because I am willing to bet that she coddled her son and overlooked warning signs of his behavior long before he was sentenced.
Abuse victims aren't volunteer opportunities, like dogs at the shelter or thrift stores that raise money for orphanages. This lady needs to tend to her own business and keep her nose out of working with the children her son abused.
Your son is not the victim. I feel for her as a mother but at the same time, this is no small trespass. I feel like there’s an element missing in this story.
Yeah she is obviously covering up for her son to a degree, or buying into some pile of BS that he's feeding her to make it seem like he just accidentally received some unsolicited images and is now unfairly facing jail time for it.
Certainly
Yes. Indeed! The missing element is compassion for abused children, self-reflection and _accountability_ .
I want to know the age of the child. If it is 16 or 17, him being 18 I think that is nothing of major concern. If it is younger, well he is getting what he should.
@@dudeorduuude5211prob not. she would definitely have mentioned that. the son is 18 so if this was about ppl close to his age there's no way she wouldn't have clarified, knowing that when ppl hear cp they usually think elementary school kids
This is the mom that yells at her child’s teacher because her child is failing the class 💀💀💀
Proably real nam karen
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Definitely!!!
Literallyyyy
Disgusting! Her son is not a victim
She really doesn't spare the victim a thought. It's sickening.
I honestly can't judge a parent in this position personally because the love for your child and the level of denial this mother is in is probably to protect her own sanity. Yes what her son has done is absolutely disgusting and she is fully aware of that, but this probably flies in the face of everything she has done over the years parenting her son and she feels defensive as a parent due to the shame. No one wins in this situation.
@roberthuber7031 I'm going to judge because as a mother, you raise your child to do what is right. When your child breaks the law to this degree, you expect that they, just like when they were kids, pay the consequences.
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I absolutely agree with you wholeheartedly and respect your opinion. Her son deserves the judgement coming his way. I was just pointing out that I can't fault her state of denial that her son placed her in due to his actions, but as a parent she should be aware that his actions were undeniably wrong and he should receive the proper punishment. Thank you for the pleasant exchange on the topic and I wish you the best in life 🙏.
Something is seriously wrong with the mom and moms that continue to make excuses for this kind of behavior. Ridiculous to state that they should get involved with abused kids.
She's just as sick as he is. This is disgusting 🫣
It’s more like an irrational response to protecting their kids. It’s not rational, and it never will be. It’s a very very unfortunate position for a mother. There’s nothing rational about maternal instinct. It makes me feel bad for her. Her bodies response is plead for his immediate wellbeing, and her rational response is that these things need correction, and the middle where they meet will not allow the maternal aspect to be quiet about it
@@trosclair434genus4yes. I think you’re right.
All these people demonising her, safely detached from the horror she is coming to terms with, have no idea of how they’d actually respond if their child did the same. There’s some very powerful conflicting emotions and I’m glad Dr Delony responded the way he did.
@@trosclair434genus4she had me up to ‘doing something stupid’ and blaming his autism. My sympathy is with the children involved.
@@thefirm4606she also said I feel my son is a victim but I also know the children are victims "too"...
Dr. John hit the nail on the head! If he is facing a minimum of 5 years, he did a lot more than receive unsolicited CP!
I think he might of been solicited CP because if it where accidental and report it to police, he would not been in jail now, but no, 5 years is an equivalent for up to 200 images or 8 images
Mom has to accept that her child grew up and chose to commit a crime. Thats the end of the sentence. No if and or but.
Well done, John. I could hear you wanting to call her out like the comments section, but this was put the best way she actually needed to hear. You didn't make excuses for the son or feed into what she wanted to hear, but gave her practical advice which is why she called you while also reiterating that her son is not the victim here.
You can love and support your son without excusing his actions.
This is what happen when people coddle their kids and don’t prepare them to be adults. Now she’s suffering the consequences of her actions. He should have known very well that this was wrong. And stop calling him a child, that’s the problem. This is a man.
Exactly!
When she said ‘He’s 18. I can’t protect him anymore “ it struck me she DID protect him for 17 years, falling back on the autistic excuse, the immature excuse, etc. I’m just another mom, but I sensed she knew he had “off” behaviors. Now it’s out in the open - taking his Internet away and sending him to counseling just doesn’t cut it.
This is an ignorant comment.
Bit of a stretch to say coddling your kids will turn them into pedohs ..
I don’t see how being coddled would inspire someone to watch CHILD P*RN!!!!!
Glad he got caught. These kinda men are running rampid out here. Little 12 yr old girls are in danger from the older men. If this didn’t get shut down it would have been a bigger issue.
He’s 18 . I wouldn’t call that a man . Still a teen .
I wonder how old the kid was. 16-17 is still considered CP
Rampant* lol
They really are.
It’s not just twelve year old girls in danger. Many of these men view images and videos featuring adult men engaging in sex acts with infants. BABIES. Often, the babies don’t survive the assault. Viewing this repulsive material creates the demand for more child abuse and torture. That’s the reality of child pornography. The people who view it are just as guilty as the people who make it.
@Dewi I was just watching a Catholic Exorcist talk about how the CP industry is actually run by satanic groups that breed children for this and than sacrifice them. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if that’s the case. He also said many victims don’t survive and that’s why you always hear about guys like this getting caught and you never hear about kids being saved
Only five years. And it wasn’t a stupid decision. It was a disgusting crime.
How would you know? She gave no real details. From the call, she said that he met an adult who sent him the child porn.
@@lav7161 No one gets 5 years for receiving a text/picture. There is more to this story.
@@Skelly777able I don't know the laws. I'm just commenting on what was said in the video.
@@wordsalad01 That's crazy. Good job on getting the person
Right!
She sounds like she thinks he only received the pictures accidently. There was more participation than she's willing to admit. She is a Mother, it's not her fault. Of course she loves her son. This is just so sad but her son .committed a crime that will follow him forever.
He didn't just commit a crime.. he's wired differently. His sexual urges aren't conducive to a productive society so his behaviour needs to be monitored carefully from now on. That's not just 'following him forever'.. that's him showing himself to have some underlying fault (sorry but there's no other way to explain child attraction).
@@phattjohnson 23 years ago age of consent in Hawaii was 14. So the attraction kids was there. Were they all sickos?
@@phattjohnsonPedophiles are not unwillfully wired differently. They are wicked individuals who choose to engage in perverse thoughts and actions simply for that reason, because they are wicked.
Her being in denial is one thing that's NOT gonna help him, in the long run.
Breaks my heart. As a parent, this is a worst case-scenario-type nightmare for your child to make a decision like this. I hope they can find some peace that their son is where he needs to be for his choices and I hope their son is able to get help.
Pedos never change ...NEVER
Best comment on here
Well said
I never thought about it before but it must be a horrible feeling to find out your child is abusing kids, maybe even worse than finding out they're a victim.
How puppy the son finds help as in being shanked
The mother is clearly in denial.
Just because you are on the spectrum, you aren't automatically the victim or unable to see right from wrong.
And it frightens me that she genuinely believes that he should be "held accountable" and monitored by someone instead of jail.
That she really does not understand that he poses a threat to children around him or online.
All because she fails to see that he is a grown capable college-attending adult man who committed a crime, not an incapable little boy who accidentally did something "bad".
A lot of parents make the grave mistake of underestimating their child with a diagnosis, and coddles them throughout their whole childhood, never holding them accountable because they think that diagnosis means their child is a forever innocent who can't learn. Which couldn't be further from the truth. Autism doesn't mean dumb, it just means your brain works a little differently.
I caught the bio dad of my daughter with pictures of a 16 y/o. I turned him in and i don’t regret it.
I found out during court that he actually traveled across the state to pick her up from his own old HIGH SCHOOL, so yeah that was the biggest ID checker he could of had
I don’t get child support I just wanted him out of my life
Paradoxically the pictures are illegal (assuming they are n00ds) but sex with the same girl may not be - 16 is the age of consent in the majority of U.S. States.
@@payleryder45 found the discord mod
It’s illegal to ‘sext’ under the age of 18 but technically 16 is the age of consent. I don’t understand it
@@fullsendmountainbiker5844 it’s illegal to have pictures under the age of 18 across all states.
@@payleryder45and England
This is the final stop for pornography type addictions. It doesn’t start this way, but a person has to keep escalating their behavior to get the same dopamine high until they run out of any other images. In some countries pornography is illegal and harder to obtain, I would totally vote to get rid of porn all together, what it does to the brain is insane.
Nobody admits this! Pornography is the gateway for so much evil but our society calls it “art.” There’s no awareness it’s dangers or how it perverts the minds of young men.
Thats stupid, on so many levels. Csam doesnt produce dopamine in the vast majority of people, you have to be seriously screwed up to get off on it. And the majority of people with a porn addiction are not pedophiles...
Stop your fear mongering nonsense
It completely changed my x's personality. And when I pointed it out, he said all men watch porn and that it's normal. I said NOPE.
@@arexandwa i mean... 99% of men do watch porn. So it literally is normal...
Just because your x got addicted doesnt mean every man who watches porn is addicted. As evidenced by the fact that most men who watch porn, are not addicted to it. .
Yes and no...
Porn addiction is a real phenomenon that some people experience. But I can't see a non-pedophile being attracted to CP anymore than a straight person to gay pornography for instance. Viewing pornography, or even addiction to it, has a lot of effects on the brain, but isn't capable of changing one's sexual orientation (which is more or less already determined before puberty and not changeable).
Five years. He did way worse than she knows.
*Minimum* of 5 years. She knows. She's in denial. And the way she talks, she seems to care only about her son--no empathy or thought at all for the actual victims.
“I feel like my son is the victim”. Me: what!?!?
Exactly...I hope he's dumb enough to tell the other inmates wut he did so they settle it properly the prison way
Delusional 🤢
@@dubyabalthazar4598 They figure it out on their own by "research". Or, in prison the inmates ask for their papers, and anything that hurts woman or children is considered "bad charges."
He needs to be in jail. The fact that his mother doesn’t think this speaks volumes. She doesn’t get it at all
Does he need jail or does he need therapy?
@@Genuinepleather prison is crime school. He doesn't need to associate with the worst of society. He needs reformed. He won't get that in person.
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@@Genuinepleather Can therapy turn someone gay or straight? No. So how is it supposed to help a baddie who's attracted to kids?
@@phattjohnson It can help it learn not to act on his desires. It's literally a matter of dealing with their mental health, which is not talked about much these days. If someone is dealing with this mental condition, they need help. Jail doesn't fix them.
Her son is a victim?? Delusional
Her son had over 150 files of children under 12. He's not a fucking victim.. i have a son myself and even if this lady still loves and talks to her son, no way should she minimize the severity of the crime. Saying he's a victim or that it was a set up prevents the accountability that needs to occur. She's trying to minimize it rather than get to the root of it
How did you find these details? Where did you search?
How do you know he had 150 files?? That crazy if its true
@@alex5308i was trying to find the link BUT somewhere on reddit, there was a forum about this episode which detailed more of the charges w/ links. ugh, wish i could find that post now
My goodness! I think these are the best set of advice i've heard given to parent of folks going to prison.
Setting goal amd learning things like a language together, getting involved locally in advocacy is a great way for the family to reset, grow & advance without tearing itself apart and be in a space to accommodate and help him be productive to gimself & hos community when he gets out!
I hope she takes the advise & work on it. My worry about sexual predators is what they get upto once out of prison, if their communities are safe with them about.
i have experience with this! My ex-boyfriend, 6 months after we broke up, was arrested for gross sexual imposition of a minor and 60 counts of child pornography. yes, the victims are the children. But geez it's a TERRIBLE feeling to watch someone do this to their life. You had this idea of this person. You thought you knew someone. And it was all a lie. I went through weeks of emotions. ON top of that, as a favor to his family, I was dealing with his estate for months. Parents definitely go through denial and just plain shock. They ask themselves, what did I do wrong? The right thing to do always is be an advocate for the children.
Thank you for sharing your story...
That must be so hard! I hope you find healing and I pray this for the children as well who are also victims
My ex had everyone including me fooled until I noticed some predatory and grooming behaviors around minors.
I was cast out by family and friends for pointing this out because he would never.
I left and rebuilt my life after utter slander and destruction. He died 2 years later and I found out he had a warrant out for his arrest molesting his friends 7 year old. I had warned him also. Sucks that people don't listen and try to kill the messenger. In the end you're only responsible for how you react and what you do...I sleep well knowing I didn't cover it up or entertain it.
Light is supposed to uncover the darkness not succumb to it and crimes against children are the most heinous because it hits the innocent and the perpetrators are cowards because they cannot contend with their equals.
They are bullies.
My ex mother covered for him as well...going to church and praying.
Well God took him out of this world so he won't be destroying anyone else's life.
The victims and people involved still have to deal with the aftermath of what happened.
It's been 5 years and I'm still trying to cope, but I seriously do not want to date or engage with anyone else because it's just so prevalent in society and I won't be as lenient or patient with anyone anymore. The only help some of these people deserve, is to help themselves leave this earth.
I haven’t heard her say, “what did I do wrong?” I’ve heard her minimise, blame shift and make excuses.
i dont believe you at all. women lie constantly about their exes. "toxic, abusive, manipulating" i just dont believe you.
A "mistake?"
I seriously doubt he would receive 5 years in prison if his digital profile was completely clean except someone sending unsolicited evil. This is likely the line Mom is being fed. If he were a purely innocent recipient, the feds would have likely used him as a witness to catch the distributor.
The cops can go suck a D**K. If you are innocent you need to lawyer up fast because the law has resources to throw you in prison for at least a year.
It doesn't work that way.
Yeah, actually he downloaded Kik and used it specifically for this purpose of finding the material, joined chat groups with the intention of finding the material, and made friends with individuals interested in the same material, when one of those friends was arrested the FBI posed as the friend and he bought and paid for more material from this friend(FBI) and then proceeded to download 31 files of this material and attempt to view each one
A “mistake” as quoted reminded me of another disgusting public comment. The father of Brock Turner, the swimmer from Stanford, said his son’s life shouldn’t be ruined over “twenty minutes of action”. Like father, like son, I wouldn’t be upset if both got stuck with something sharp
It’s pretty easy to do a google search. The son had over 150 files of children under 12
I think as a Society we forget the families of the criminals, both in this kind of situation and in situations like mass shootings. Here's a mom who loves her boy and knows he has done criminal things and has to figure out how to go forward. I hope she has people around her who will support her and not condemn her. Her son's choices should not cause us to vilify her.
How do we create a world we want to live in? Consequences. Her son will go to federal prison for his crime, something that can be forced upon him by a judicial system. Her community will shun her for her defensiveness. She has taken on a villain role every moment she creates a loophole to justify her son's behavior. This woman would have harbored a perverted criminal if she could have prevented the cops from knowing about his CP because its her son without regard of the impact he has made in the world of the small children who are his victims.
Problem is she says her son is a victim. A victim of WHAT?
@@Guitarlvr01 I don't agree he is a victim. Autistic or not -- he's away at college so he's capable of making choices. But I still feel compassion for a mother whose heart is breaking.
@@melissazabower339 I don’t if she thinks he’s innocent!
No but her minimizing what he did and getting upset he shouldn’t go to jail DOES deserve condemnation. You can tell you kid “I love you no matter what and will visit you in jail and support you but you did an abhorrent thing and need to pay a debt to society” when you do get out we will hold you accountable and help you”. Not “oh he has autism, he’s just 18, he just got a picture sent to him”. No one just magically ends up in a kiddie porn chat room. Let’s remember what kiddie porn is. It’s photos and videos of kids getting raped. Mom is in hardcore denial and needs to wake up fast if she wants to help her kid.
Something stupid?? She is very disconnected with reality.. your son did something more than something stupid. He is exactly where he needs to be
I agree with you. Her saying “ something stupid “ he made a choice and needs to do time. Her son is a danger so out society and he won’t change.
exactly she makes it sound like he just made a little oopsie mistake when in reality this guy is a monster that should be locked up for life
@IndianCurrycel You don't know that he didn't touch a child. Looking at CP, at the very least, incentivizes the continued abuse of children. Sit down.
As someone on the autism spectrum, I can tell you that autism is no excuse. Autism doesn't mean you don't have a moral compass. Being socially awkward doesn't mean it's ok to fetishize kids. Lock this guy up. Actions have consequences and he has proved himself a danger to society.
These are the type of calls that I believe need an hour. 5 minutes of advice on this seems crazy to me.
Stop making excuses for your son. He did it and has to face the consequences.
Mom is a enabler!
Bet 👍
Yeah. Just making your son promise not to go online anymore would TOTALLY cure him of being a sexual deviant/predator. Thank God the courts take over and mommy can't just brush it under the rug for her little baby boo
This 👏🏼
Poor mother. The internet can be a sewer. People entrap others in nasty stuff, bad stuff. Too much going on, in this Social Media Circus. Too much accessibility to garbage. Boundaries blurred. Too much off the chart stuff. Blessings to her and her family!
At the end of the day he knew what he was doing was wrong, did it anyway and got caught he deserves to be held accountable and mom shouldn't try to "protect" him he's already done the crime and he needs to do the time.
I agree with you. Perhaps, when the first images were sent & received, if he’d responded to the other party, “WTF man! Don’t be sending this $hit to anybody, and stop communicating with me”, the legal system might have gone softer on him, especially if he’d immediately deleted every image.
Better yet, if he’d turned this perv into the FBI for pornography trafficking, he certainly wouldn’t be in this bad situation. I think there must have been multiple encouraging conversations and exchanges of images for him to be facing years of prison time. Yeah, his actions will cause his parents to be the social pariahs of their community. Prison time better be occupied with every available counseling service and securing a college degree. He cannot count on living with mom & pop after prison release if they live within a certain radius of a school, park, recreation center, etc.
It would be nice if this was the same standard that was held to politicians, Hollywood elite and Uber wealthy members of our society. I know that would happen in a perfect world, so we just have to deal with them banging young children as one of their favorite hobbies.
John took this call well. She is having trouble dealing with her son's choices.
I honestly would disown my kid for that one. I could never look at them in the eye again after knowing that about them. Knowing they enjoy that? Nope I want nothing to do with you!
Exactly!
What as a parent how can they not look after their children no matter what?
What I wanna know as an 18 year old man myself is if this kid is in full sound mind…do they not understand that it’s not right mentally to be attracted to things like that? Why not seek out therapy and just be honest? This kid could take accountability and shut it down before it escalated like this. I never get those CP cases. My mom taught me from a young age of how horrible and disgusting predators are.
@@hexmask6587 mom said he has autism and social problems so no I don't think he was or is clear minded and thinking normally
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Very true - understand in this case (you can view the court documents/affidavit materials in the federal court website to understand the whole investigation), her son Ethan actually downloaded Kik and used it as a way to find others interested in this material, to make friends with others interested in this material, and engage in discussions about the underlying acts, his friend Sergio was arrested and allowed the FBI to use his account to offer Ethan more of this material and Ethan paid for the material and then proceeded to download 30 files of this material.
Instead of stopping himself and seeking help, he did the exact opposite of what you suggest and did so purposefully
I do feel a level of sympathy for people who have those urges. The urge itself is not a crime, and it’s not necessarily a choice, at least not for everyone. For example, people who are abused as children in that way sometimes grow up to have those same urges, and that’s horrible. It’s gotta be painful. I’d imagine there are support groups people can find before they make terrible decisions, but it’s such a terrible thing and I’d imagine it would bring about a lot of pain to the person with those urges (specifically if they don’t act on them and it’s just their own burden). Anyone who acts on it must be punished.
What gets me is that you don’t get 5 years for just “looking at” CP, as unfortunate as it is, in most cases where someone was just viewing it they don’t even get prosecuted or just get a slap on the wrist punishment like a month in jail and monitored internet use, it sounds like he was in some kind of online circle and was downloading and/or distributing probably a lot of it.
I’ve never heard someone make so many excuses for someone else. Yikes.
Doesn't she understand that people who buy and distribute provoke others to produce the material because there's a demand? There are children harmed and even killed in this so-called business. It's not a light crime, he's part of that horrible machine.
But where do we differentiate the two? Clearly, he wasn't involved in making the material or engaging in any sexual acts against a child, so when do we say the punishment fits the crime? If we want less criminal sex-offenders out there preying on children then we don't need to be sending 18 year old Autistic young men that got involved in sexual deviancy as their first offense to prison for 5+ years.
It is insane, we all know prison isn't a place of rehabilitation and will only serve to make him worse if anything. Why do we think that will fix the problem? It won't, it only serves to give everyone else their minute of dopamine rush knowing that they screwed a boy's life up and punishing him for our own vindictive pleasure. Even though her son is most likely going to come out of that prison more of a sexual criminal than when he went in, increasing the likelihood of further victimization in society. He needs therapy and long-term probation. He needs to be supervised and helped.
Yeah I'm surprised no police or support workers have told her this, considering her own common sense on the matter appears to have been misplaced throughout this turmoil.. Sounds like she's doing as LITTLE as possible in this situation, and just wishes it would all go away.
My word -- Dr. J you give fabulous advice.
She says 'all because of something stupid' like she has NO clue how extremely serious this is.
Glad that Dr. John noted that likely more texts and exchanges occurred than the mother is letting on. The good news is that her son's jail time will allow him to really rethink how he best wants to live his life. Hopefully he chooses to be an honorable man and a godly man going forward. Not someone involved in sex chats and child pornography.
Yeah her son actually paid for the material and downloaded 31 files
"Godly" men of the book (Christians, Muslims, and Jews) have a penchant for abusing children as well. I do agree with everything else you said though. However, her son may have The Dark Triad or The Dark Tetrad traits in addition to having pedophilic tendencies. If so, that can't be changed.
What the heck? It's not just a case of 'rethink'. Much like you can't 'pray away gay' you can't 'jail out the child attraction'.
@@cxa340 It’s pretty easy to do a google search. The son had over 150 files of children under 12
I’m not surprised as to the sentence he’s going to receive. I’m unclear as to why she’s in denial. He’s as adult there’s no excuse for what her son did.Being on the spectrum does not excuse his actions at all.
She's trying to defend him but she's actually throwing autistic people under the bus, as if her son's crime is characteristic of autism.
How do you know your not him? Also it may be he can't deal with people who are too old so....
I am actually surprised by the sentence. In the UK they give out completely substandard sentences for people caught with child porn. People get away with suspended sentences or a couple of months in prison even for possession of the most serious categories of child porn.
It’s good to see people getting significant sentences somewhere at least.
@@rusty6899 Well if you think of it, do we really need people in jail over this? They should be seeking mental help. We need to find those who produced the material and put them in jail since they are the ones actually abusing the children.
@@Genuinepleather well the NHS coffers aren’t exactly overflowing as it is, without introducing a new scheme to counsel nonces, and in any case I think it might be a good idea if people who wank themselves into a frenzy at videos of children being sexually tortured are removed from polite society.
This is repulsive. I’m a mother of 9 (and I’d die for any of my kids) and if one of my children did something to this degree I would be the one calling the police on them. There would be zero grace for this. There is NO LOVE in enabling someone you love to get away with this level of evil.
I’m absolutely disgusted by this mother. She’s willfully ignorant.
At the beginning of the video when she said her son was 18 I thought this was going to be one of those situations where a high school senior got nude pictures from his girlfriend who’s only a few months younger than him but legally underage. Obviously this situation is much darker.
It was not explored what exactly was sent to him. Maybe it was pretty much what you suggest.
@@ouwebrood497 I don’t think he’d get minimum 5yrs for that
@@ouwebrood497No, the feds were investigaring a network, the person who sent him the porn was arrasted, and also him.
It seems nobody here understands that mothers will always want mercy and good for their child. Understandable and heartbreaking.
Mothers in this situation need to imagine what they would do to the person that was watching/abusing their child on a screen. That will really put things into perspective.
What her main worry is her responsibility not someone else's....
Momma
Visits and letters. I can say 100 percent that's the best..I hope he gets better, and I pray for the children
The list of excuses is endless. On the spectrum?! First year in college? Wanted to make friends? Someone sent it to him? Please. He needs jail time. Period. I don’t want her son in the streets with my daughters.
PRO TIP- IF ANYONE SENDS YOU PICS OF CHILDREN BEING HURT UNSOLICITED, CALL THE POLICE RIGHT AWAY.... this ladies son WANTED those pics
Tough call! Excellent counselor!
So let me get this right - Her son got send some images and he gets 5 years, and we even doesn't get to heat what exactly was it. Glows brighter than ATF warehouse.
Anytime I was locked up, drug charges, my dad always said before I hung up the phone be a good inmate lol
Your kid deserves the time.. sorry it’s happening to you too. Prepare for real time and prepare for it to not be a good time for him. Tell him to try to get into protective custody or he’s going to be in a really bad spot
WOW. She isn't only very selfish she's also morally wrong.
I can’t believe she thinks her son is a victim. The way she frames it is as if the children are only secondary victims. That’s pure delusion. Where is the rage? Where is the accountability?
The accountability is probably Haggen-Dazs'd away a litre at a time.
For everyone looking for updates and specifics, etc., here's what I was able to find: He's currently incarcerated in Federal Prison with a scheduled release date of 02/05/2027, so it looks like he did in fact get ~5 years.
As far as the charges, I can't look at case specifics without paying, but apparently he had been receiving CP videos from another student at College, who was arrested. He then sent money to an FBI agent posing as the arrested guy in exchange for CP, and was arrested.
His CSAM fixation didn't fall out of the sky. Mom is making excuses for him, clearly in denial about what has gone on in the family.
Her son is guilty not her. She needs to be treated for what she’s feeling. She’s a grieving mother, regardless what her son did. She does not need to be judged.
Her son is paying the price.
Her son is living his destiny. I wonder what the next indiscretion will be. Do you think after all this, his attraction to kids will fade?
Unfortunately her son is a threat to society.
Pedophiles are wired differently and have a sexual attraction to children. Whether they were abused as children or were born this way they are a threat.
His mother needs to get help so she can cope. She can have a relationship with her son and be as supportive as she can.
I think he should of had the common sense to call the police if he received deviant photos. Possessing them is a crime! He knew it was wrong! He needs to be accountable. Period. Those kids were victims!
Honestly though it a tough spot for some reason if you report it the state can still arrest you which makes no sense.
Never trust any pigs or officials
I dont see any problem if the ****child***** hes watching is 15+, guys tended to attract to about the same age or lillte younger girls
@@bobberry1463 that seems completely nuts.
I'm trying to think what I would do. I think I'd tell the person to stop, and delete the photos. I'm pretty sure I would be too terrified to call the Police.
@@peterwallis4288 lucky you can report it anonymously.
@@peterwallis4288 Yeah I agree with you telling the cops anything could get you in trouble too. It just is not cool when the law starts to investigate people!!!
When I first heard that her son was 18 I thought maybe it was something with a girlfriend who was like 17 or something. But as they got into it it's clear this isn't something that the mom should be downplaying or making excuses for. And saying he's a victim too is absurd.
The whole video I’ve been waiting for her to be asked “Okay, if that was a picture of your son going around and leo found a person who was looking at that, what punishment should this person receive?”
Her son is NOT the victim. He’s just gaslighting her into thinking that.
While I get that this must be brutally tough for any family to hear about your own son and that the whole situation must be unbelievably emotionally confusing and jarring, he still committed a really serious crime. I sincerely hope the authorities managed to get to the bottom of the situation and I hope for this family that they're able to get the guidance they need to move forward. What a mess of a situation.
This mother is in so much pain 💔.
Denial. I’m guessing she covered for him and has made excuses for him his whole childhood. Even now she thinks he should go free because he may hurt himself.
Maybe check on her other boys and see what they are up to.
So even if he was just looking for a social group, when that person sent him those photos, he should have said, sorry this is not for me. Most people would be appalled if someone sent them child porn.
How do you know it was obvious the age of the people involved? If they look older than how is anyone to know the age of the people?
@@donaldlyons17 If that's what happened and it was a one time thing I doubt the feds would bother with charging him. There MUST be more to this story than what the mom heard.
@@michaelf3753 Well but with the law they can throw people in jail just for getting angry. They just don't have to listen and will decide to tell you to confess otherwise they will...... Remember no one is stronger than the law even if the person is not in the wrong!!!!
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It was infants involved and he sought out the material and solicited for the material, in the end he paid for the material
He'll probably get 10 years in prison. Prosecutors are pretty harsh on that stuff. Adults should never message underage kids or teenagers, prosecutors will charge you if they happen to send illegal content. Context doesn't matter in these situations, it's not something you should ever mess around with. I just know this because my mother works in the prison and they don't care where the content comes from, if you have it, you're screwed.
Yeah the law is not a joke!!!!! He will need a good job asap!!
But what if someone send a virus with cp to your computer without you knowing it?
@@johncaze757 I'd ask a lawyer, there's a legal process you have to do, the Feds are most likely going to find it no matter what.
Jail time is not what he should be worried about. Surviving is key. Because once the inmates find out ohhhhhh dios míos.
If he was 13, maybe there'd be a chance of therapy and prison would be a bad choice, but 18 means he's probably allowed this to fester and grow since hitting puberty and understanding the morality instead of rejecting it and seeking help.
Unless the police really are just prosecuting someone for unsolicited reception of cp, which I can't imagine, this is society enforcing a standard he didn't choose to enforce on himself as an adult with the means to pose a majot threat to vulnerable children.
By all means have him placed somewhere with the best therapists who might help change his path but at 18 I don't know how possible that is...
@Sincerely, Bria I wouldn't rule anything out but it depends how long it's been going on I guess.
This is incorrect. The brain is still developing substantially until age 26. There's much less difference between a 13 year old and 18yo's brain than a 25yo and 18yo!!! Especially for late-teen males (and all their intense hormones that affect the brain's development, executive functioning/ decision-making, and ability to resist impulsivity.
@@NeuroSeasoned Granted but I was thinking specifically about sexual attraction and paedophilia in particular. Those are largely settled by the end of puberty.
Yes get into a program while serving time but it’s a federal crime, the feds don’t just take on any case. They take on what they can win/prosecute, there is a lot more she isn’t saying.
John is about to lose it on this woman.
I wish he would have