1st wet run in these today. They really do soak up a lot of water and don’t drain. Feet sloshing & squelching the whole time. Will save for dry days only.
Great video and completely agree! Torrent 2 is my favourite trail shoe of the year, and very good on snow and ice also, I have discovered the last weeks! The upper is very comfortabel, the midsole both soft but responsive and the rubber lugs amazing. So if SL-20 is my favourite roadshoe of the year Torrent 2 is my 2020 trailshoe. We agree on both! Doesnt matter if my feet get wet in the Torrent 2, I just have a happy smile on my face when running in them! 😃👍
It's a fast trail shoe, that's for sure. Race a trail half marathon in the torrent v1 last January and they are wonderful. Except the v1's upper is a disaster when mud gets them. too stretchy and unstable after covered in mud. I don't know if I'd take them to a trail full marathon, though. Also, I don't think it's a hybrid shoe. They are smooth on soft ground and trails, but they feel clunky and slapping the ground too much on roads and concrete. I just didn't enjoy them in basically hard surfaces.
solid shoe. I have been in and out of sense rides and this, finally settling on the torrent. I have gore version of speedgoats for winter hikes. These really are great and not too cushiony for bigger runners too. lacing can be an issue at times for me. runs true to size as i found innov8 to run short and returned promptly.
Great review. Looking for a training shoe for winter so something for lightly snow covered pavement in Wisconsin. Would you think this would work or do you have another shoe in mind?
I am about 100 in my torrent 2’s as well. Very comfortable good fit . I think great for trail but not too much support/protection for the technical/rocky trail (rolled my ankle In them )I love these shoes but will likely get a speed goat for the harder trails .good review
I really like both, but I think the Torrent is a bit more versatile - the main reason being that I don't like the feel of the Speedgoat's lugs on pavement, but I don't notice it on the Torrent. I've taken both on some pretty gnarly trails, and felt that both have had sufficient grip for me. The Torrent is a bit faster and more responsive up to 10-15 miles, but any longer than that and I'll take the Speedgoat's cushion every time.
Just picked up a pair of the originals on sale at my local shop , my last 3 pairs have been Brooks Caldera's previous to that 6 pairs of Sacony's KOA MT , 2 pairs of brooks Cascadia's i used to be a 100K a week runner im down to 30 km a week wanting to ramp back up again
Kofuzi - would be interested in your review if the Salomon Sense Ride our Sense Pro trail shoes. I think they would be better hybrid shoes than the Torrent, if that’s what you’re looking for. I have been running in the Torrent 1 but mostly trail, for which I think they were mainly intended. I still have the original Sense Ride and still love it! Haven’t tried the latest Salomon shoes that I mentioned but believe they are worth a try.
Looks like a neat shoe, the trails where You run look a choice place, do you miss running by the lake front, when will u be able to run by the lake again ?
I just got the Torrent 1 and have found it to be much roomier than the Speedgoat 3 and Clifton 6. As many have said, it is very "un-Hoka" in fit and ride. You might be surprised how much room the D width has...i sure was.
Hi Kofuzi. I am looking for a pair of trail running shoes. I love the Mach4, and I'm wondering between the Torrent 2 or the Speedgoat 4 which is closer in terms of cushioning and feel. WDYT? Thanks
To me, it is the size of the rock that matters. If the midsole can collapse around the rock, i usually dont feel it. However, if the rock is larger than the midsole is able to absorb, i feel it. In the Torrent, jagged rocks larger than 1.25" give me trouble.
@@jackash1975 - thanks for the specifics. Where i run there are a lot of rocks that don't weather and i'm feeling their jaggedness. This is also perhaps compounded by the fact that most of my trail shoes are into the second half of their lives and the fizz has mostly disappeared. While not wanting to sacrifice stability i'm also keen for my next trail shoe to have sufficient midsole foam at the forefoot, as this is where the rocks are felt. Hence they need to be lowish drop to achieve this - such as the Torrent 2 or Inov8 Terraultra. Sidenote: I also believe that that ability to collapse around a 'looseish' rock also helps to maintain some grip in a way that a more rigid midsole couldn't achieve. I've use my Rincons plenty of times on buffed out trails with occasional chunks and it seems to support this theory nicely.
I’m thinking about picking up a pair for winter road running for use on a mix of pavement, ice and snow (and everything in between). You have not found the outsole lug pattern too aggressive for direct contact over pavement?
I think TORRENT 2 has excellent lightness, cushioning and flexibility. I like these shoes very much. However, my TORRENT 2 has a weak outsole rubber that will come off after a few trail runs. Does anyone have a similar case?
How would you compare the cushion to the Cliftons you've been running in? The Clifton's have been my daily trainer and almost snagged a pair of Torrents but thought they wouldn't have quite enough cushion. Thanks for the video.
They are cushioned fairly well but not to the extent of a Clifton or Rincon. If you want that Clifton feel the ATR Challenger 5 is a good option. Don't be good for highly technical trails but works for your standard trail running. I actually find that shoe to be much better than the Torrents against the elements. The Torrent though is such a smooth ride for being a trail shoe. The SpeedGoats are Hokas true trail shoe and far more cushioned than the torrents but they are also very heavy and they have a more narrow fit although they do sell a wide version. If you aren't doing rough trails and are looking for a Clifton type ride I recommend the Challenger. Same price as Torrents i believe
Anyone experienced the toe overlay panel inside the shoe peeling back and interfering with your toes??? It’s happened with me and I can’t get into the tie box to restick it
No rock plate+no toe cap+exposed midsole foam+questionably durable outsole rubber=a shoe built to go fast on super buffed out trails. Give it a rock plate & vibram rubber and I'm in. It just doesn't work in a wide array of terrains.
I use the speedgoat 3 and tried the torrent as a possible extra trail shoe..sent it back after trying any and everything to make it work.. but it is just too hard in forefoot to use for a 1/2 marathon trail..
i've been running in the rain and haven't had access to my usual kit for this time of year. so the temps have been taking their toll. but yesterday, when I was filming this, i was quite tired from the first week of virtual school.
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That has to be one of the quickest 100 miles you’ve done in a shoe from recent memory. Only 3 weeks since you did your first run
1st wet run in these today. They really do soak up a lot of water and don’t drain. Feet sloshing & squelching the whole time. Will save for dry days only.
Great video and completely agree! Torrent 2 is my favourite trail shoe of the year, and very good on snow and ice also, I have discovered the last weeks! The upper is very comfortabel, the midsole both soft but responsive and the rubber lugs amazing. So if SL-20 is my favourite roadshoe of the year Torrent 2 is my 2020 trailshoe. We agree on both! Doesnt matter if my feet get wet in the Torrent 2, I just have a happy smile on my face when running in them! 😃👍
It's a fast trail shoe, that's for sure. Race a trail half marathon in the torrent v1 last January and they are wonderful. Except the v1's upper is a disaster when mud gets them. too stretchy and unstable after covered in mud. I don't know if I'd take them to a trail full marathon, though.
Also, I don't think it's a hybrid shoe. They are smooth on soft ground and trails, but they feel clunky and slapping the ground too much on roads and concrete. I just didn't enjoy them in basically hard surfaces.
Agree
Just ran in this exact shoe and colorway yesterday for the first time. Super smooth and comfy
it's been a real pleasure to run in them
I've got this shoe and run around in the mountains here in Wales and it is perfect for terrain
You are right with the shoe holding water. I find I have to put it on the radiator to dry for a few days
How's the grip on wet rock?
@@RJ-hi5pw I haven't had any issues to date
solid shoe. I have been in and out of sense rides and this, finally settling on the torrent. I have gore version of speedgoats for winter hikes. These really are great and not too cushiony for bigger runners too. lacing can be an issue at times for me. runs true to size as i found innov8 to run short and returned promptly.
Have a take on the Width? I'm a bigger runner and was in Caldera 3s(too narrow) now in Glycerin 17s looking for a trail cruiser...
@@runzization I’m finding enough width. I’m around 210. Wear a 12.5.
Love the vlogs dude. Keep schreddin. Check out the Biolite headlamp.
If I didn’t have the escalante racers, which are literally so sick, my torrent 2 would be my favorite shoe.
Great review. Looking for a training shoe for winter so something for lightly snow covered pavement in Wisconsin. Would you think this would work or do you have another shoe in mind?
I purchased the Speedgoat 4 some time back and love them, but hindsight I think the Torrent would have been better for me.
i might be wrong, but i feel like the speedgoat is more trail shoe than i need. i don't think there's anything around me rugged enough to require it.
@@kofuzi I agree. I should have checked my trails before I ordered my shoes.
kofuzi it’s funny because I thought that too but the way that the lungs are placed with the SGs, the Torrent grips better. Love both!
I am about 100 in my torrent 2’s as well. Very comfortable good fit . I think great for trail but not too much support/protection for the technical/rocky trail (rolled my ankle In them )I love these shoes but will likely get a speed goat for the harder trails .good review
I really like both, but I think the Torrent is a bit more versatile - the main reason being that I don't like the feel of the Speedgoat's lugs on pavement, but I don't notice it on the Torrent. I've taken both on some pretty gnarly trails, and felt that both have had sufficient grip for me. The Torrent is a bit faster and more responsive up to 10-15 miles, but any longer than that and I'll take the Speedgoat's cushion every time.
A shoe I need to explore when I get a chance!
Just picked up a pair of the originals on sale at my local shop , my last 3 pairs have been Brooks Caldera's previous to that 6 pairs of Sacony's KOA MT , 2 pairs of brooks Cascadia's i used to be a 100K a week runner im down to 30 km a week wanting to ramp back up again
I love my torrents! The cushioning is perfect and not too much like Clifton 7s. Is there a road shoe that has similar cushioning as the torrent?
Kofuzi - would be interested in your review if the Salomon Sense Ride our Sense Pro trail shoes. I think they would be better hybrid shoes than the Torrent, if that’s what you’re looking for. I have been running in the Torrent 1 but mostly trail, for which I think they were mainly intended. I still have the original Sense Ride and still love it! Haven’t tried the latest Salomon shoes that I mentioned but believe they are worth a try.
Is the cushioning on the bottom of the shoe too stiff and puffy or is it soft and bouncy?
Very very bouncy
Looks like a neat shoe, the trails where You run look a choice place, do you miss running by the lake front, when will u be able to run by the lake again ?
Wish they did this in a wide! Tried Rincon 2 but too narrow for me, have wide fit Clifton and speedgoat
I just got the Torrent 1 and have found it to be much roomier than the Speedgoat 3 and Clifton 6. As many have said, it is very "un-Hoka" in fit and ride. You might be surprised how much room the D width has...i sure was.
What was the sizing like? I’m normally a US 9
Thanks great review 👍
would you recommend the shoe for winter road sidewalk running to prevent slipping on ice ?and snow
I’m eyeing the Deep Well/Evening Primrose for women in a size 7.5
I’ve not heard these described as a hybrid shoe? Marketed as a nible and light trail shoe.
Hi Kofuzi. I am looking for a pair of trail running shoes. I love the Mach4, and I'm wondering between the Torrent 2 or the Speedgoat 4 which is closer in terms of cushioning and feel. WDYT? Thanks
Probably my next purchase. I'm hoping that despite the lack of rock plate it can take me up to 50km on my local (semi-technical) trails.
i feel like the rock would have to hit you juussst right for it to hurt your foot. i think the placement of the lugs works well to prevent rock issues
To me, it is the size of the rock that matters. If the midsole can collapse around the rock, i usually dont feel it. However, if the rock is larger than the midsole is able to absorb, i feel it. In the Torrent, jagged rocks larger than 1.25" give me trouble.
@@jackash1975 - thanks for the specifics. Where i run there are a lot of rocks that don't weather and i'm feeling their jaggedness. This is also perhaps compounded by the fact that most of my trail shoes are into the second half of their lives and the fizz has mostly disappeared. While not wanting to sacrifice stability i'm also keen for my next trail shoe to have sufficient midsole foam at the forefoot, as this is where the rocks are felt. Hence they need to be lowish drop to achieve this - such as the Torrent 2 or Inov8 Terraultra.
Sidenote: I also believe that that ability to collapse around a 'looseish' rock also helps to maintain some grip in a way that a more rigid midsole couldn't achieve. I've use my Rincons plenty of times on buffed out trails with occasional chunks and it seems to support this theory nicely.
I’ve run them hard on some pretty rocky trails, and I haven’t had any issues. They’ve felt fine.
Would love these running shoes, but alas I have wide feet lol. So people with wide feet know the struggle.
I’m thinking about picking up a pair for winter road running for use on a mix of pavement, ice and snow (and everything in between). You have not found the outsole lug pattern too aggressive for direct contact over pavement?
I think TORRENT 2 has excellent lightness, cushioning and flexibility.
I like these shoes very much.
However, my TORRENT 2 has a weak outsole rubber that will come off after a few trail runs.
Does anyone have a similar case?
Yes just bought some and I have the same problem.
How would you compare the cushion to the Cliftons you've been running in? The Clifton's have been my daily trainer and almost snagged a pair of Torrents but thought they wouldn't have quite enough cushion. Thanks for the video.
They are cushioned fairly well but not to the extent of a Clifton or Rincon. If you want that Clifton feel the ATR Challenger 5 is a good option. Don't be good for highly technical trails but works for your standard trail running. I actually find that shoe to be much better than the Torrents against the elements. The Torrent though is such a smooth ride for being a trail shoe. The SpeedGoats are Hokas true trail shoe and far more cushioned than the torrents but they are also very heavy and they have a more narrow fit although they do sell a wide version. If you aren't doing rough trails and are looking for a Clifton type ride I recommend the Challenger. Same price as Torrents i believe
How would you compare them to version 1? I have version 1 and they feel a bit loose in the heel.
I.wpuld suggest you try out the Olight Wave headlight.
Nice color ways.
Who remember Hoka Huaka? Hoka's OG hybrid shoes. Miss that ugly shoe lol.
Would you please share (waterproof) apparels and shoes (road and trail) which you use in Winter?
i pretty much look for goretex
Anyone experienced the toe overlay panel inside the shoe peeling back and interfering with your toes??? It’s happened with me and I can’t get into the tie box to restick it
No rock plate+no toe cap+exposed midsole foam+questionably durable outsole rubber=a shoe built to go fast on super buffed out trails. Give it a rock plate & vibram rubber and I'm in. It just doesn't work in a wide array of terrains.
i think that's the speedgoat, no?
I use the speedgoat 3 and tried the torrent as a possible extra trail shoe..sent it back after trying any and everything to make it work.. but it is just too hard in forefoot to use for a 1/2 marathon trail..
Oh, man. I just ran a trail half in these yesterday, and they were brilliant for me. Absolutely perfect. Different strokes, I guess.
I have said it once but I say it again these shoes are bricks compared to speed goats
You're sounding a bit bunged up. Had the bad weather given you a cold?
i've been running in the rain and haven't had access to my usual kit for this time of year. so the temps have been taking their toll.
but yesterday, when I was filming this, i was quite tired from the first week of virtual school.
What do you/anyone suggest to consistently run sub 8/mile pace?
So grippy you can run upside down 😃
Will the sense ride 3 get to 100 miles?
do you know if these are wider than the speed goat 4?
Torrent 2 vs. Zinal?
Are these any good for road to trail? I do abit of both and they seem quite hard
yes
How do you rate it as a daily trainer road shoes?
It can handle some road miles, but if you’re going to be running a lot of road miles, consider getting a road shoe
After 20km of gravel rear lugs are broken? Is it normal?
try contacting customer service from wherever you purchased the shoe
@@kofuzi Do they often return money for that?
Was it waterproof?
definitely not
Hoka makes great shoes but for me this a no no .it feels like a brick I prefer my sgts.